June 3, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and wide-ranging discussion centered on national security, immigration policy, antisemitism, and the political landscape under the leadership of President Donald Trump. This hour opens with a deep dive into a recent terrorist attack in Boulder, Colorado, allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant who overstayed a visa. Buck uses this incident to underscore the broader crisis of illegal immigration and the exploitation of the U.S. asylum system.
The conversation highlights how the Trump administration has dramatically reduced illegal border crossings—by as much as 99%—compared to the Biden era, which saw millions of illegal entries and “got aways.” Buck emphasizes the critical role of U.S. Border Patrol, debunking left-wing narratives that portray the agency as racist, and instead spotlighting its diverse and veteran-heavy workforce.
A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the ideological battle over antisemitism, particularly on college campuses, where anti-Israel sentiment is rising. Buck draws parallels between the situation in Gaza and Iran, arguing that while innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire, leadership and ideological extremism are to blame for ongoing violence.
The show also critiques the Biden administration’s handling of immigration enforcement, asserting that lax policies have created a national security risk and opened the door to terrorist infiltration. Former ICE Director Tom Homan is quoted warning of the long-term consequences of these policies, calling for urgent reforms and a temporary halt to asylum claims.
In a political analysis segment, the hosts explore the shifting economic narrative. Polling data reveals that the Republican Party, under President Trump, has closed the gap with Democrats on middle-class support and economic trust. The discussion includes insights from data guru Ryan Girdusky, host of the “Numbers Game” podcast, who argues that Democrats lack a compelling economic message and are losing ground due to internal disarray and weak leadership.
Finally, the episode wraps with commentary on the Democratic Party’s internal struggles, including revelations from a new book about Jill Biden’s influence and the financial motivations behind Joe Biden’s continued political career. The hosts discuss the party’s lack of a clear successor and the growing influence of figures like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
We've been talking about this terrorist attack in Colorado and Boulder.
The guy was an illegal, a visa overstay illegal. And
I can tell you that in the pre Trump era,
I'm pretty familiar with these stats, they would estimate something
like a half.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A million visa overstays a year.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That's not even a number that you think of when
you're generally considering illegals in the country, right you think
of the people that come across the border, which was
about ten million under Biden.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We'll call it ten million.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think that's right, eight million officially, plus you add
up all the godaways.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Nine or ten million is where it is, and we have.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
More people and more ways that they are gaming our
immigration system and staying in this country illegally. This is
a massive problem. Last we're talking about the anti Semitism
and the components of the ideology of anti Semitism against well,
against the Jewish, against the Jewish people, and why so
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many Americans, I mean, think about this for a second.
A lot of these college kids who take this very
anti Israel and very pro pro Palestine or pro Palestinian
point of view. And I know there's something deeply unfair
about the same way I said this with Iran, I
extend the same thing to there are people in Gaza who,
(01:30):
you know, there are children there, there are people who
have no choice, There are people who have no political
agency and they're stuck there and it's unfair. But there
are also a lot of adults who are there and
aren't doing anything. And then there are a lot of
adults who are doing terrible things right, or rather, there
are adults who could do more to try to bring
about something else. Somehow, there's always there's always somebody who
(01:52):
will fire a rocket at the Israelis. In Gaza, there's
not somebody who will, let's just say, try to change
up the Hamas leadership situation, you know what I mean. Somehow,
there are plenty of people willing to be you know,
brave martyrs so to speak against the Israelis, but they
won't do anything to stop the mad men in their
(02:13):
midst who are running the country. So but the same
thing's true in Iran. Right, if we had to do
strikes in Iran for some reason, it wouldn't be the
fault of every Iranian. But this war is hell, and
war is unfair, and this is reality, and we have
to operate within that reality, and you know, you do
the best that you can. We didn't want to be
(02:33):
bombing villages in Afghanistan until nine eleven. Quite honestly, we
didn't really care very much about Afghanistan. But then they
made us care.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The Israelis have been made to care more than ever
about their own safety and security after October seventh. So
there's the immigration part of this. So so that's the
ideological Midias foreign policy part of it. Now, let's look
at the the truth of what's going on here with
our border or it's wide open and I'm sorry has
been wide open. Of course, it's not wide open anymore.
(03:04):
Trump has brought the numbers down ninety nine percent, something
something unfathomable. I thought Trump would do a good job,
and if I'm just being honest with you, I thought
we would see a ninety percent something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A ninety percent. I didn't think it would be almost zero.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And the numbers now, I think they can count in
the hundreds on a monthly basis how many are entering
the country legal. I mean it is and this freeze up.
This is what I have said all along. This is
so important. This freeze up the resources at border patrol.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And I've spent time with our border patrol guys. You
got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And the more people know about border patrol, I think
the more respect for those men and women they have.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They do a tough job.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Something like a third of border patrol, or our United
States military veterans, maybe twenty five percent are our Latino
as well Latino Americans. So this notion that you know
that that border pature is in some way a racist enterprise,
or that these aren't people that are you know, they're
demonized by the left as though they're doing something terrible.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, they're rounding.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
People up and putting them into these camps. They're protecting us.
And as we see with with this this terrorist, I
know that he's a visa overstay, but okay, Immigrations and
Customs Enforcement is supposed to and should have gotten this
guy out of the country. Now I know he's he
has claimed asylum. I think that we just need to
have a shutdown of the asylum process in this country
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for a while until we figure things out.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That's really where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And all pending asylum claims just need to be you know,
may maybe they come up with some very high threshold
for it. But there are and I know that's unfair too, right,
because there are people who need a place to go, but.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We're not the only place they can go.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The more you dig into this, almost all of the
asylum claims that are making their way through our courts
are invalidated by one thing alone, and that is that
these people came via Mexico. They are not supposed to
pick which country they want to get to for asylum.
(05:12):
It's which country they get to first where they can
be considered safe.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So if we were serious.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I think Trump administration will be, but if the
Biden administration had any intention of enforcing actual asylum, all right,
think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
If you're fleeing.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know, I don't know, you're fleeing oppression in Indonesia
as an ethnic minority, and you make your way to Mexico,
you're supposed to say, hey, Mexico, I need asylum. You're
not supposed to go, Hey, you know what would be
really cool if I can make it to America because
they're rich and they have a big fat welfare state.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That's not how it is supposed to go.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And so all of these people that are saying they
claim asylum, they right on its face, we should be
able to say to them, Okay, well did you show
me your asylum paperwork for Mexico. Wait you didn't. You
didn't try to get asylum Mexico. Why, Oh, because you
want to just jump the line to go to America.
And you're and then that's not even looking at whether
they have a legitimate claim of asylum, which they don't,
(06:15):
because there's not one hundred and if one hundred and
eighty countries around the world all have asylum seekers all
coming to America, it just means that every country you
know pretty much. You know, we don't have a lot
of asylum seekers from Liechtenstein or or you know, Denmark,
but we've got a lot of asylum secrets from everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Tom Homan.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Is pointing out that this has created the Biden administration
problem is something that is going to plague this country
for years to come, no matter how fast, no matter
how efficient the Trump administration border policies are and the
and the enforcement mechanisms are, it is just mathematically impossible
(06:55):
to fully handle and turn around just what Biden did
think about that if I said to you, the Trump
administration's mandate is to return everybody who came under Biden
in those four years illegally, never mind everyone who came
before Biden illegally. That's what we'll just We'll put that
to the side for a second. That number is probably
(07:16):
too much, just logistically too much. I'd like to think
that I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong, because
if we ramped it up and you got to a
million deportations a year under Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Which would be a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Let's say you get to a million and these are
real deportation, people are gonna say, but buck, what about
in the in the two thousands, or what about in
the nineties, and we were deporting Now, a lot of
that was people who were turned away. The immigration. Illegal immigration,
particularly into California in the nineties, was single adult males
crossing the border working and then going off and going
(07:51):
back and then coming back again seasonally. So yeah, they
were breaking our laws, but there were multiple crossings and
they were single adult males. Now it's turned into a
lot of family units, women women showing up with children
and they plan to stay forever, and they're from all
over the world. What the Obama administration did to make
the numbers seem much more robust than they were was, oh,
(08:15):
border patrols stopped you and just sent you back to Mexico.
That's a deportation, right. That was how we got to
the deporter in chief. They changed the way that they
So if we got to a million real deportations a year,
meaning people picked up from the interior, put on a
plane and sent to their country of origin, that would
be pretty impressive. Okay, well that's four million. He had
(08:37):
six million to go. Here's Tom hom and this is
cut ten. Just laying this out to everybody understands the
scale of this problem.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
We are going to be dealing with this for the
next ten years because of the chaos they created in
four years. We're out there kicking butt, We're we're resting
a lot of criminal aliens. We're rather looking for the
bad guy. And when we're out there doing that, we
got protesters assaulting ICE offitud members of Congress all of
the country going to ICE facilities raising hell saying this
is our oversight responsibility. Where were there oversight responsibility when
(09:09):
ten point five million ills came across the border where's
the oversight responsibility? I'm releasing over eight million, it'll go
and this is this country, where's the oversight responsibility? Then
this is attack on ice, this attack on the Trump administration.
We're trying to fix the damage done by Biden.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
An attack on the Trump administration and fixing the damage
done by Biden. So true, And I just think that
we all need to understand it was a choice made
by Biden and his team. It was not a failure
of policy. It was the enacting of policy. They wanted
(09:47):
the illegals in this country. They wanted millions and millions
of illegals to pilot the country, to overwhelm the system,
rules for radical Slolenski, overwhelm the system, and then once
you break it through overwhelming it, you can remake it.
That's what they were trying to do here, and they
got very far in that process, and we are playing
(10:10):
catch up and then some even this administration as dialed
in as they are. But now we look at the
what about the fact that we were wide open for
terrorist infiltration. We just had an illegal alien terror attack
lighting Jewish people on fire in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We just had one. We're going to have more. There
will be more.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you were a foreign terrorist organization and you just
had access to the Internet, you would have seen what
was going on under Biden and known it is open
season for infiltration of the United States. And this is
why the got away issue is so problematic. We're so
concerning for us because remember under Biden, and I saw
(10:54):
this with my own eyes at the border. Many times
they were surrendering at the border or it's not Oh
I think the coast is clear, I'm going to make
a run for it. And then border patrol is you know,
coming after you in the pickup truck and they're running
after you on foot. You know, No, no, no, that's
only for the godaways, which were a small percentage overall
of those who cross. Most people, it was they would
(11:15):
show up, they would find a hole in the fence
or a gap in the fence, or they'd show up
at a port of entry or whatever. They'd say, here
I am, I'm claiming asylum. Oh okay, now we have
to put you through the whole process. Now you get
to get released into America. We'll give you a bus ticket,
we'll give you food.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That o't thing. So if you know that's the process,
why would you make a run for it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You make a run for it if you happen to
be in that category of you can't claim asylum because
you're going to come up on that database and they
know you're a risk, you're a problem. You're either a
convicted murderer and by the way, they were convicted murders
who got in the country anyway. But you know you're
somebody that could get flagged or somebody that didn't want
to have any scrutiny on them whatsoever. This is cut
eleven Tom Homan, the guy who I think knows the
(11:58):
border better than anybody else on the scene. Right now,
here's what he says.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Why did two million illegal aliens paid more to get away?
They could have paid half of what they paid across
the boarder to turn yourselves into bords real agent, get
released that same day, get a free airline ticket to
the city of their choice, get a free hotel room,
get three meals a day, plus free medical care and
work authorization. Two million people paid more to get away.
(12:24):
They didn't want to be vetted, they didn't want to
be fingerprinted. Why there scares the hell out of me.
I've been doing this for forty years. It should have scared
the hell out of every American. What the Biden administration
did this two men known god aways scares the hell
out of me. So I'm convinced something's coming unless we
can find them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He's right, and they're tracking them down as fast as
they can. But we had it was open season on
America for four years of Biden, and now we're trying
to play catch up, and the Trump team is doing
everything they can. But you could have never imagined that
the Democrats would so grotesquely sell out their country and
(13:07):
sell out our sovereignty.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
The way they did for all.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Of Biden's time in office. It's intentional. They did this
on purpose. It's just sabotage. It's sabotage, and that's one
of the reasons I think so many people have seen
that the Democrats are a malignant force. They sabotage this
country's border and our security, and we do not know
(13:33):
the full consequences yet, and I pray that we never
find out. But we have a big problem on our hands.
This terrorist, this guy letting people on fire, that's just
the beginning. We're gonna get hit again. Unless the people
in charge now are able to figure out who's where
and stop them. And that's a maybe they can, but
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it is a big ask. And I know this business.
I was in that business, the whack them old jieh
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them just in time, and sometimes you don't. If you
consider yourself pro life like I am, there's a wake
up call for us. Despite the overturning of Roe v.
Wade a few years ago, the number of abortions increased
(14:18):
again this past year.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
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Speaker 2 (16:03):
Let's take some calls I want to hear from all
of you. Eight hundred two A two two eight A two.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm actually here in West Palm today and thanks to
our wonderful affiliate WJNO for let me come through here.
It was fun before I got to join my friend
Glenn Beck on his show for a moment, which was
which was great, and it was a reminder because Glenn, So,
I'm driving up and I'm listening on the radio as
one does when one is driving, right, can't can't read
(16:27):
while driving, So god, I got it. And I'm also
I can't read in cars. I'm a little jealous. That's
one of clay superpowers. Clay can read in cars like
it's nothing I and I wish I could because it's
so efficient time wise. I mean, Clay can sit there
with a book and he's like curled up and he's happy,
and you know, going ninety miles and you know, Clay
only drives ninety miles an hour, So just so you know,
he may make fun of how I drive, but that
(16:49):
man thinks he is an F one driver in a
you know, in like a Chevy suburban or whatever he drives.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So but he can read a car. I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And yeah, Producer Alley's like he he gets oh she
gets nauseous in a car too. I thought producer ally
was going to start slamming Clay for driving. Your life
flashes before your eyes when Clay, because he's super chill
about it too, Like he's just foot on the accelerator.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You're like, how how fast are we going? He's like looking.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Back and talking to you and you know, sec sports
and stuff, and yeah, Ali agrees with me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He drives like, you know, yes, do I drive a
little more on the cautious side.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Sure, But yeah, I'm here today and I saw I
got the chat with Glenn a little bit and it
was fun because Glenn said that they launched GBTV. Glenn
launched Glennbeck Television fourteen years ago today. I joined fourteen
years ago next week. So I've been saying fifteen years
in this business. It's actually fourteen years that I've been
in this business. So eh, It's crazy how the time flies.
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a big, beautiful podcast, certainly worth all of you checking out.
Breaks down a lot of the data, the numbers, mister Gurdusky.
(19:34):
Great to have you with me, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I wanted to look there's I like to just get
this out of the way first, first and foremost. You
know there are some there's some bootleg Gurduskies out there,
including CNN's Harry Enton.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I mean it's like he's a fine guy. I think
it is okay data analysis, but he's a poor man's Gurdusky.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But he did say, summit, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yes that's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I'm sure, yes, yes, he's a poor mansker Dusky.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
We have the we have the original deal, right, we've
got the real deal here with Ryan or Dusky, but
he's been saying some stuff about the numbers as it
pertains to Trump. Let's start this one with with Cutt
twenty one. Here's CNN's data guy, and then Ryan, I
want you to explain what's going on here and what
you see play the party.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
That is closest to your economic views. And November of
twenty twenty three, it was the Republicans by eleven points.
Now it's still within that range, still within that margin
of R plus eight point advantage for the Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
How is that possible? Democrats? How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (20:34):
After all the recession, because after the stock market's been
doing all of this, after all the terrorists that Americans
are against, and Republicans still hold an eight point lead
on the economy.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't think it's that surprising. I just think it's
interesting that Democrats have to reckon with this. What do
you make of the numbers on Trump's support with the
economy right now being just as strong as when he
got elected?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Well, well, I mean, Harry lets it out, the recess
and fears, the fear.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Did we just lose Ryan he just dropped.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He was about to get to all the nuggets of wisdom,
and I don't know where he was going with that.
We'll take him back here in a second.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Maybe my comments about Harry Enton somehow have backfired and
we are now dealing with the ghost and the machine
here that has kicked Ryan off here. Let me know,
we get him back, guys, got to teet him up
so well for this. He's about to tell us all
about the data. I'm not surprised that Trump is in
a better spot or in as strong a spot, because
he was in a great spot at the time. What
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is the Democrat message on the economy other than professing
or prophecying that there will be Is it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Prophesizing or prophecying? Help me out with that one team.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, if I get this wrong, pronunciation police or
maybe they're the lexicon the you know, the the word
usage police on this show. Man pronunciation police is rough.
They're waiting for you everywhere. They got pronunciation police on
the clan Buck Show have speed traps like every two miles.
You guys got those mirrored aviators on. I know your type,
(22:11):
I know what's going you pull us over the second
you can. But I think that the Democrats claims for
how things are going to go poorly and then not
go and then they don't go poorly are the primary
reason that the numbers are where they are because they
don't even really have a counter message here. They don't
(22:33):
even have something to say to point out. Okay, Ryan,
you are about to share your brilliance with us. Hopefully
you have a cell phone networks. Now let's hear what
you've got.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
So, yes, there is What is the What is the
democrats economic message? I know hating Trump has been their
political message, but what is their economic message? What are
they focused on aside from keeping medicare spending and social security?
I don't ever hear of it. And also the voters
are against the against their retaliatory efforts of tariffs. They
(23:04):
don't want to pay higher prices, that's undersmable, But they
are for the message of restoring manufacturing. They were for
the efforts of trying to bring back economic patriotism, so
they're not against the overall idea of it. They just
don't want to pay higher prices. But higher prices didn't come,
so of course Trump's numbers are not that bad and also,
and I think this is a very big point of
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why Trump's whole numbers are so high. Right now, no
one is talking about Trump and the media what are
they talking about. They're talking about Biden still, They're talking
about his mental health, They're talking about what Democrats lied about.
So the Republicans are still getting dividends from the bad
governance and the lives of the Democratic Party over Biden's administration.
That does matter. And they don't have an alternative. They
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they don't have a leader, they have nothing. I mean,
it's aoc running around whether and Gavin Newsom with his podcast,
and you know what else is there. So I think
that they have a lot of problems as far as
just what is their message. I don't know what They'll turned.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
A bit now we'll get into because you sat down
with or did an interview right with Alex Thompson and
Tapper or just Alex Thompson.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Josh Alex, just Thompson.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, oh okay, I actually that actually I would have
been more amenable to myself than having to, you know,
listen to Tapper's nonsense.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
But we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
First, that is more of poor Man's Gardusky Harry Enton
talking about who looks out I mean, because this is
if you're a Democrat and you've bought into the Democrat
messaging for a long time, or maybe you've been a
purveyor of the Democrat messaging. Their whole thing is this
make believe that they're the ones that care about the
middle class. Here's the latest on the numbers when it
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comes to middle class and looking out for them. This
is cut twenty play.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
It which is the party of the middle class, has
been a huge advantage for Democrats. I have polling from
NBC going all the way back since nineteen eighty nine
when Democrats had a twenty three point advantage twenty sixteen
seventeen point evanage.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But by this decade.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
We already started seeing declines. Back in twenty twenty two,
we saw that Democrats led, but only by four points,
well within the margin of error. And now in our
latest CNM pull among registered voters.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Which is the party of the middle class it is tied.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This I think speaks to Democratic eills more than anything else.
They have traditionally been the party of the middle class.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
No more.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Donald Trump and the Republican Party have taken that mantle
away and now a key advantage for Democrats historically has
gone audio somigos, and now there is no party that
is the party of the middle class.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Republicans have completely closed the gap.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Ryan, What do you make of that, because that's got
to be, you know, given the election they just had
the fact that they've also got to contend with this
in a broader messaging since rough days for the Democrats.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, they're having this and they're going through it, and
they but they're very publicly admitting that they're going through it.
Right now, they can admit to the fact that they
lied that Biden's health was so bad they can't find
a leader, and their only messages I hate Donald Trump,
and maybe that'll be enough to win them back to
the House. But over all, that long term vision there
(25:59):
is none.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's it's remarkable that this is the situation they find
themselves in and that they've had so little introspection. I mean,
they still have things like Gavin Newsom's California pretending that
having a guy beat all the girls in the state
champion track meet, that this is not like this makes
their party look crazy that they can keep pretending otherwise.
But to eighty percent of the country, even people that
(26:22):
vote Democrat eighty percent of the country. Look at some
guy who now wants to be called ab who's beating
all these girls in a track meet, and says there's
something wrong with these Democrats.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And to that end though also on the Biden stuff
and the lot. So you you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Talked to Alex Thompson has got this book out now,
and you know we've talked about, you know, Tapper particularly
with it. By the way, I think that it should
have been Thompson solo. I would have been far more.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Open to my This is what I think. And he
didn't say this, but this is what I think when
you read a book and you don't have a big name.
When I wrote my I wrote my book, I had
like no social media following, and they said to me,
if you can get someone with the name, will publish
your book. That's what they but the publishers told me
when I wrote my book. I think the same thing
probably happened Alex Nonson. I think that he was told
(27:10):
if you can get a name, will publish your book.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I mean he shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He should have gone with Wolf Blitzer or somebody who's
considered a little bit more of a neutral will.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Nobody would think that Wolf Blitzer wrote a word of it.
I don't know if they think Jake Tapper wrote a
word of it either, but definitely not Blitzer. You know
that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He looks about as confused as Biden sometimes just being honest.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
But he's been going for forty years on air, so
I mean he's done his time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, he's done his time for sure. But okay, so
you sat down with Thompson, this book Original Sin that's
out there. What did you gather from it that was interest?
Like we already know, yes, they all you know, they
missed all this stuff about Biden? What was insightful? And
anyone wants to hear the interview, it's on the It's
a numbers game Clay and Buck podcast network. Go subscribe
to Clay and Buck Show and it will be right
in your feed. But Ryan, what, what did you what
(27:58):
did you learn from it that was interesting? Where'd you
get into that was we're talking about?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Well, one, the fact that Missus Biden, Jill Biden was
I did not know that she was a school teacher,
a professor the entire time she was second Lady of
the United States, she taught at the community college, and
apparently she hated being a politician spouse, which is not
unoriginal because a lot of people hate being politician spouses.
But the fact that she went from doing that to
(28:25):
being one of the most powerful second first ladies in
American history and essentially running large portions and being the
one who said, no, Joe, you can't drop out her transformation,
I think is fascinating. I asked them specifically about how
much it went into why, how much was considered the
fact that the Biden family needed Joe, and I put
(28:46):
the idea up there was Bo supposed to had Bo lived?
Which is always the essential question of the Biden a
legacy in the Biden family. Had Bo lived? Was he
supposed to be the politician to grant them access so
that they continue to live with a lot of economic
you know, flourishment and millions of dollars coming in, because
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that's how that entire family makes money. It's political connections.
Did Joe have to do this because he needed to
bring money in? And apparently now there's reporting that the
Bidens are basically broke, that they that they want Joe
out there more because they need a way to make money.
They can't do it, you know, I don't know think
other ways. So was that the entire premise of why
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Joe had to run from the family's perspective is they
needed millions to come in every year. They didn't want
a Clinton Foundation situation where all of a sudden, all
the money's just gone and dried up and they have
to pay for everyone because they pay for the grandkids,
they pay for the cousins, the brothers, everyone lives off
the Biden teeth. So that was a big, big part
of it. Also with the book, the people who even
(29:54):
after the debate had come out and said, no, Biden's
are our tickets. John F. Fetterman screamed at every Democratic
send They had a big meeting with Democratic senators and
they said, who is still with Biden? Everyone but three
said no, and Fetterman got up and started screaming and saying,
how fing dare you betray our great president like this?
(30:14):
And he was the only one in the room still
defending Joe Biden, even with the poll numbers bad, even
with everything. So that that was fascinating, which alliances remained
close to Joe long afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, I mean I have to first of all, Ryan,
that is really interesting and I hadn't heard that, and
that's that's something that should should.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Certainly be better known.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Fetterman has been getting a lot of credit because of
the stuff he says on Israel from people on the right,
and I mean, I don't know how to say this.
Do you think Fetterman just took a person that people
were saying the guy's brain didn't work because of his
own stuff, or why would Fetterman and so it was
just he just took that personally.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yes, I think that that's I think that's exactly what
it was. I think Fetterman said, you know, if you
were to judge everybody by how their brain operates, allegedly,
then I wouldn't be here. But to be the most
vocal and curse out your I mean, he cursed out
Chuck Schumer, he cursed out everybody that you betrayed him,
that you betrayed Joe Biden. And he was the only
(31:11):
one armed. He stood by himself, So I give him
credit for that. But it was an explosive scene. So
he talked to Alex Thompson about that, which I thought
was fascinating. How he was the sole voice to stand
with Biden when they said, hey, you're going to lose
New Jersey, Fetterman said, we ride with him till the
very end, and everyone else at that point was trying to,
you know, get him to drop out. So that was
(31:31):
really interesting. I think it's fascinating that right now Joe
Biden's team is still leaking information. Before this came out yesterday,
before the debate, Biden had a one point five percent
lead in Minnesota and Virginia. That was before the debate.
Had Biden been on the ticket, it would have been,
you know, not nineteen eighty four landslide, but nineteen eighty
(31:51):
eight landslide. It would have been a serious contention where
in New York and Illinois would have been in close
single digits, and New Jersey would have just been gone.
So I don't, I don't. I think that right now
they're rather than looking for a leader, looking for a mess,
looking for something, they're still kind of sent there and
blaming each other and who gets to inherit the throne
of a of a of a dead party. Uh. That's fascinating.
(32:15):
But I will say one thing. I think if they
did a poll, they did study democrats, and what is
the message going forward to Ezra Klein has this stupid
book out about abundance and all this stuff. So didn't
respond at all. Voters didn't care. They still want a
populist message. I think if I was advising a democrat
what they would be doing. There's big, the big beautiful
bill that's coming out. There is a provision in it
(32:37):
that forbid states to sit there and enforce AI technology,
any any enforcement AI reforms, uh any AI development anything.
I prevent states from even doing enacting any of that
or any protections from AI. That's what they should be
jumping on right now, because that's where the fears are.
That's my next episode of the podcast comes on Thursday
(32:57):
on A numbers game is about the genuine fears of
AI in job loss and the popular backbush that will
be as severe, if not more severe, than immigration itself.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's really interesting. Go check out.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's a numbers game on the Claim Buck podcast network.
Ryan Gerdusky is the host.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Ryan. Before I let you go quick.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
One kind of a lightning round question here, who's the
most powerful Democrat in America right now?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
AOSA and Bernie sand Bernie Sanders number one, and then
AOCS number two.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Wow, Bernie Sanders for sure, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Ryan Gerdusky, always insightful.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Good to have you on my friend, Thank you, thank
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Oh we don't.
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Speaker 1 (35:23):
So, yeah, there is plenty of time of chat in
the next hour. We got to talk back here. Dave
from Twin Cities. Ee play it, Hey, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Okay, if that terrorist in Colorado was here now illegally,
does that not make his wife and kids here illegally?
How quick can we get them on a plane that
out of here?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I don't know what their status is, that's a good question.
I'm not sure i'd have to We'll we'll have to see,
you know. So far, they keep on reporting it as
like Colorado man. I'm like, well, he's illegal and he's
from Egypt, but sure, Colorado man works, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean, if you imagine, this is what they do
all the time. It's like Maryland man, Maryland man deported.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, he's from El Salvador and he's an MS thirt
team member. But let's put this one on the state
of Maryland, right.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
This is what they do.
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We'll have those updates for you from the White House
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We'll discuss stay with us,
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
We've been talking about this terrorist attack in Colorado and Boulder.
The guy was an illegal, a visa overstay illegal. And
I can tell you that in the pre Trump era,
I'm pretty familiar with these stats, they would estimate something
like a half.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A million visa overstays a year.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That's not even a number that you think of when
you're generally considering illegals in the country, right you think
of the people that come across the border, which was
about ten million under Biden.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We'll call it ten million.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I think that's right, eight million officially, plus you add
up all the godaways.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Nine or ten million is where it is, and we have.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
More people and more ways that they are gaming our
immigration system and staying in this country illegally. This is
a massive problem. Last we're talking about the anti Semitism
and the components of the ideology of anti Semitism against well,
against the Jewish, against the Jewish people, and why so
(01:08):
many Americans, I mean, think about this for a second.
A lot of these college kids who take this very
anti Israel and very pro pro Palestine or pro Palestinian
point of view. And I know there's something deeply unfair
about the same way I said this with Iran, I
extend the same thing to there are people in Gaza who,
(01:30):
you know, there are children there, there are people who
have no choice, There are people who have no political
agency and they're stuck there and it's unfair. But there
are also a lot of adults who are there and
aren't doing anything. And then there are a lot of
adults who are doing terrible things right, or rather, there
are adults who could do more to try to bring
about something else. Somehow, there's always there's always somebody who
(01:52):
will fire a rocket at the Israelis. In Gaza, there's
not somebody who will, let's just say, try to change
up the Hamas leadership situation, you know what I mean. Somehow,
there are plenty of people willing to be you know,
brave martyrs so to speak against the Israelis, but they
won't do anything to stop the mad men in their
(02:13):
midst who are running the country. So but the same
thing's true in Iran. Right, if we had to do
strikes in Iran for some reason, it wouldn't be the
fault of every Iranian. But this war is hell, and
war is unfair, and this is reality, and we have
to operate within that reality, and you know, you do
the best that you can. We didn't want to be
(02:33):
bombing villages in Afghanistan until nine eleven. Quite honestly, we
didn't really care very much about Afghanistan. But then they
made us care.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The Israelis have been made to care more than ever
about their own safety and security after October seventh. So
there's the immigration part of this. So so that's the
ideological Midias foreign policy part of it. Now, let's look
at the the truth of what's going on here with
our border or it's wide open and I'm sorry has
been wide open. Of course, it's not wide open anymore.
(03:04):
Trump has brought the numbers down ninety nine percent, something
something unfathomable. I thought Trump would do a good job,
and if I'm just being honest with you, I thought
we would see a ninety percent something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A ninety percent. I didn't think it would be almost zero.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And the numbers now, I think they can count in
the hundreds on a monthly basis how many are entering
the country legal. I mean it is and this freeze up.
This is what I have said all along. This is
so important. This freeze up the resources at border patrol.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And I've spent time with our border patrol guys. You
got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And the more people know about border patrol, I think
the more respect for those men and women they have.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They do a tough job.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Something like a third of border patrol, or our United
States military veterans, maybe twenty five percent are our Latino
as well Latino Americans. So this notion that you know
that that border pature is in some way a racist enterprise,
or that these aren't people that are you know, they're
demonized by the left as though they're doing something terrible.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, they're rounding.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
People up and putting them into these camps. They're protecting us.
And as we see with with this this terrorist, I
know that he's a visa overstay, but okay, Immigrations and
Customs Enforcement is supposed to and should have gotten this
guy out of the country. Now I know he's he
has claimed asylum. I think that we just need to
have a shutdown of the asylum process in this country
(04:30):
for a while until we figure things out.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That's really where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And all pending asylum claims just need to be you know,
may maybe they come up with some very high threshold
for it. But there are and I know that's unfair too, right,
because there are people who need a place to go, but.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We're not the only place they can go.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The more you dig into this, almost all of the
asylum claims that are making their way through our courts
are invalidated by one thing alone, and that is that
these people came via Mexico. They are not supposed to
pick which country they want to get to for asylum.
(05:12):
It's which country they get to first where they can
be considered safe.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So if we were serious.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I think Trump administration will be, but if the
Biden administration had any intention of enforcing actual asylum, all right,
think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
If you're fleeing.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
You know, I don't know, you're fleeing oppression in Indonesia
as an ethnic minority, and you make your way to Mexico,
you're supposed to say, hey, Mexico, I need asylum. You're
not supposed to go, Hey, you know what would be
really cool if I can make it to America because
they're rich and they have a big fat welfare state.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That's not how it is supposed to go.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And so all of these people that are saying they
claim asylum, they right on its face, we should be
able to say to them, Okay, well did you show
me your asylum paperwork for Mexico. Wait you didn't. You
didn't try to get asylum Mexico. Why, Oh, because you
want to just jump the line to go to America.
And you're and then that's not even looking at whether
they have a legitimate claim of asylum, which they don't,
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because there's not one hundred and if one hundred and
eighty countries around the world all have asylum seekers all
coming to America, it just means that every country you
know pretty much. You know, we don't have a lot
of asylum seekers from Liechtenstein or or you know, Denmark,
but we've got a lot of asylum secrets from everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Tom Homan.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Is pointing out that this has created the Biden administration
problem is something that is going to plague this country
for years to come, no matter how fast, no matter
how efficient the Trump administration border policies are and the
and the enforcement mechanisms are, it is just mathematically impossible
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to fully handle and turn around just what Biden did
think about that if I said to you, the Trump
administration's mandate is to return everybody who came under Biden
in those four years illegally, never mind everyone who came
before Biden illegally. That's what we'll just We'll put that
to the side for a second. That number is probably
(07:16):
too much, just logistically too much. I'd like to think
that I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong, because
if we ramped it up and you got to a
million deportations a year under Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Which would be a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Let's say you get to a million and these are
real deportation, people are gonna say, but buck, what about
in the in the two thousands, or what about in
the nineties, and we were deporting Now, a lot of
that was people who were turned away. The immigration. Illegal immigration,
particularly into California in the nineties, was single adult males
crossing the border working and then going off and going
(07:51):
back and then coming back again seasonally. So yeah, they
were breaking our laws, but there were multiple crossings and
they were single adult males. Now it's turned into a
lot of family units, women women showing up with children
and they plan to stay forever, and they're from all
over the world. What the Obama administration did to make
the numbers seem much more robust than they were was, oh,
(08:15):
border patrols stopped you and just sent you back to Mexico.
That's a deportation, right. That was how we got to
the deporter in chief. They changed the way that they
So if we got to a million real deportations a year,
meaning people picked up from the interior, put on a
plane and sent to their country of origin, that would
be pretty impressive. Okay, well that's four million. He had
(08:37):
six million to go. Here's Tom hom and this is
cut ten. Just laying this out to everybody understands the
scale of this problem.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
We are going to be dealing with this for the
next ten years because of the chaos they created in
four years. We're out there kicking butt, We're we're resting
a lot of criminal aliens. We're rather looking for the
bad guy. And when we're out there doing that, we
got protesters assaulting ICE offitud members of Congress all of
the country going to ICE facilities raising hell saying this
is our oversight responsibility. Where were there oversight responsibility when
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ten point five million ills came across the border where's
the oversight responsibility? I'm releasing over eight million, it'll go
and this is this country, where's the oversight responsibility? Then
this is attack on ice, this attack on the Trump administration.
We're trying to fix the damage done by Biden.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
An attack on the Trump administration and fixing the damage
done by Biden. So true, And I just think that
we all need to understand it was a choice made
by Biden and his team. It was not a failure
of policy. It was the enacting of policy. They wanted
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the illegals in this country. They wanted millions and millions
of illegals to pilot the country, to overwhelm the system,
rules for radical Slolenski, overwhelm the system, and then once
you break it through overwhelming it, you can remake it.
That's what they were trying to do here, and they
got very far in that process, and we are playing
(10:10):
catch up and then some even this administration as dialed
in as they are. But now we look at the
what about the fact that we were wide open for
terrorist infiltration. We just had an illegal alien terror attack
lighting Jewish people on fire in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We just had one. We're going to have more. There
will be more.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If you were a foreign terrorist organization and you just
had access to the Internet, you would have seen what
was going on under Biden and known it is open
season for infiltration of the United States. And this is
why the got away issue is so problematic. We're so
concerning for us because remember under Biden, and I saw
(10:54):
this with my own eyes at the border. Many times
they were surrendering at the border or it's not Oh
I think the coast is clear, I'm going to make
a run for it. And then border patrol is you know,
coming after you in the pickup truck and they're running
after you on foot. You know, No, no, no, that's
only for the godaways, which were a small percentage overall
of those who cross. Most people, it was they would
(11:15):
show up, they would find a hole in the fence
or a gap in the fence, or they'd show up
at a port of entry or whatever. They'd say, here
I am, I'm claiming asylum. Oh okay, now we have
to put you through the whole process. Now you get
to get released into America. We'll give you a bus ticket,
we'll give you food.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That o't thing. So if you know that's the process,
why would you make a run for it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
You make a run for it if you happen to
be in that category of you can't claim asylum because
you're going to come up on that database and they
know you're a risk, you're a problem. You're either a
convicted murderer and by the way, they were convicted murders
who got in the country anyway. But you know you're
somebody that could get flagged or somebody that didn't want
to have any scrutiny on them whatsoever. This is cut
eleven Tom Homan, the guy who I think knows the
(11:58):
border better than anybody else on the scene. Right now,
here's what he says.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Play it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Why did two million illegal aliens paid more to get away?
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(12:24):
They didn't want to be vetted, they didn't want to
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I've been doing this for forty years. It should have scared
the hell out of every American. What the Biden administration
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out of me. So I'm convinced something's coming unless we
can find them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He's right, and they're tracking them down as fast as
they can. But we had it was open season on
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The way they did for all.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Of Biden's time in office. It's intentional. They did this
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of the reasons I think so many people have seen
that the Democrats are a malignant force. They sabotage this
country's border and our security, and we do not know
(13:33):
the full consequences yet, and I pray that we never
find out. But we have a big problem on our hands.
This terrorist, this guy letting people on fire, that's just
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I'm actually here in West Palm today and thanks to
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It was fun before I got to join my friend
Glenn Beck on his show for a moment, which was
which was great, and it was a reminder because Glenn, So,
I'm driving up and I'm listening on the radio as
one does when one is driving, right, can't can't read
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while driving, So god, I got it. And I'm also
I can't read in cars. I'm a little jealous. That's
one of clay superpowers. Clay can read in cars like
it's nothing I and I wish I could because it's
so efficient time wise. I mean, Clay can sit there
with a book and he's like curled up and he's happy,
and you know, going ninety miles and you know, Clay
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he may make fun of how I drive, but that
(16:49):
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And yeah, Producer Alley's like he he gets oh she
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You're like, how how fast are we going? He's like looking.
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Back and talking to you and you know, sec sports
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He drives like, you know, yes, do I drive a
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Sure, But yeah, I'm here today and I saw I
got the chat with Glenn a little bit and it
was fun because Glenn said that they launched GBTV. Glenn
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is of the Clay and Buck podcast Network. It's a
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a big, beautiful podcast, certainly worth all of you checking out.
Breaks down a lot of the data, the numbers, mister Gurdusky.
(19:34):
Great to have you with me, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I wanted to look there's I like to just get
this out of the way first, first and foremost. You
know there are some there's some bootleg Gurduskies out there,
including CNN's Harry Enton.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I mean it's like he's a fine guy. I think
it is okay data analysis, but he's a poor man's Gurdusky.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But he did say, summit, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yes that's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I'm sure, yes, yes, he's a poor mansker Dusky.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
We have the we have the original deal, right, we've
got the real deal here with Ryan or Dusky, but
he's been saying some stuff about the numbers as it
pertains to Trump. Let's start this one with with Cutt
twenty one. Here's CNN's data guy, and then Ryan, I
want you to explain what's going on here and what
you see play the party.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
That is closest to your economic views. And November of
twenty twenty three, it was the Republicans by eleven points.
Now it's still within that range, still within that margin
of R plus eight point advantage for the Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
How is that possible? Democrats? How is that possible?
Speaker 6 (20:34):
After all the recession, because after the stock market's been
doing all of this, after all the terrorists that Americans
are against, and Republicans still hold an eight point lead
on the economy.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't think it's that surprising. I just think it's
interesting that Democrats have to reckon with this. What do
you make of the numbers on Trump's support with the
economy right now being just as strong as when he
got elected?
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Well, well, I mean, Harry lets it out, the recess
and fears, the fear.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Did we just lose Ryan he just dropped.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He was about to get to all the nuggets of wisdom,
and I don't know where he was going with that.
We'll take him back here in a second.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Maybe my comments about Harry Enton somehow have backfired and
we are now dealing with the ghost and the machine
here that has kicked Ryan off here. Let me know,
we get him back, guys, got to teet him up
so well for this. He's about to tell us all
about the data. I'm not surprised that Trump is in
a better spot or in as strong a spot, because
he was in a great spot at the time. What
(21:38):
is the Democrat message on the economy other than professing
or prophecying that there will be Is it.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Prophesizing or prophecying? Help me out with that one team.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, if I get this wrong, pronunciation police or
maybe they're the lexicon the you know, the the word
usage police on this show. Man pronunciation police is rough.
They're waiting for you everywhere. They got pronunciation police on
the clan Buck Show have speed traps like every two miles.
You guys got those mirrored aviators on. I know your type,
(22:11):
I know what's going you pull us over the second
you can. But I think that the Democrats claims for
how things are going to go poorly and then not
go and then they don't go poorly are the primary
reason that the numbers are where they are because they
don't even really have a counter message here. They don't
(22:33):
even have something to say to point out. Okay, Ryan,
you are about to share your brilliance with us. Hopefully
you have a cell phone networks. Now let's hear what
you've got.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
So, yes, there is What is the What is the
democrats economic message? I know hating Trump has been their
political message, but what is their economic message? What are
they focused on aside from keeping medicare spending and social security?
I don't ever hear of it. And also the voters
are against the against their retaliatory efforts of tariffs. They
(23:04):
don't want to pay higher prices, that's undersmable, But they
are for the message of restoring manufacturing. They were for
the efforts of trying to bring back economic patriotism, so
they're not against the overall idea of it. They just
don't want to pay higher prices. But higher prices didn't come,
so of course Trump's numbers are not that bad and also,
and I think this is a very big point of
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why Trump's whole numbers are so high. Right now, no
one is talking about Trump and the media what are
they talking about. They're talking about Biden still, They're talking
about his mental health, They're talking about what Democrats lied about.
So the Republicans are still getting dividends from the bad
governance and the lives of the Democratic Party over Biden's administration.
That does matter. And they don't have an alternative. They
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they don't have a leader, they have nothing. I mean,
it's aoc running around whether and Gavin Newsom with his podcast,
and you know what else is there. So I think
that they have a lot of problems as far as
just what is their message. I don't know what They'll turned.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
A bit now we'll get into because you sat down
with or did an interview right with Alex Thompson and
Tapper or just Alex Thompson.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Josh Alex, just Thompson.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, oh okay, I actually that actually I would have
been more amenable to myself than having to, you know,
listen to Tapper's nonsense.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
But we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
First, that is more of poor Man's Gardusky Harry Enton
talking about who looks out I mean, because this is
if you're a Democrat and you've bought into the Democrat
messaging for a long time, or maybe you've been a
purveyor of the Democrat messaging. Their whole thing is this
make believe that they're the ones that care about the
middle class. Here's the latest on the numbers when it
(24:40):
comes to middle class and looking out for them. This
is cut twenty play.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
It which is the party of the middle class, has
been a huge advantage for Democrats. I have polling from
NBC going all the way back since nineteen eighty nine
when Democrats had a twenty three point advantage twenty sixteen
seventeen point evanage.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But by this decade.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
We already started seeing declines. Back in twenty twenty two,
we saw that Democrats led, but only by four points,
well within the margin of error. And now in our
latest CNM pull among registered voters.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Which is the party of the middle class it is tied.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This I think speaks to Democratic eills more than anything else.
They have traditionally been the party of the middle class.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
No more.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Donald Trump and the Republican Party have taken that mantle
away and now a key advantage for Democrats historically has
gone audio somigos, and now there is no party that
is the party of the middle class.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Republicans have completely closed the gap.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Ryan, What do you make of that, because that's got
to be, you know, given the election they just had
the fact that they've also got to contend with this
in a broader messaging since rough days for the Democrats.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, they're having this and they're going through it, and
they but they're very publicly admitting that they're going through it.
Right now, they can admit to the fact that they
lied that Biden's health was so bad they can't find
a leader, and their only messages I hate Donald Trump,
and maybe that'll be enough to win them back to
the House. But over all, that long term vision there
(25:59):
is none.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It's it's remarkable that this is the situation they find
themselves in and that they've had so little introspection. I mean,
they still have things like Gavin Newsom's California pretending that
having a guy beat all the girls in the state
champion track meet, that this is not like this makes
their party look crazy that they can keep pretending otherwise.
But to eighty percent of the country, even people that
(26:22):
vote Democrat eighty percent of the country. Look at some
guy who now wants to be called ab who's beating
all these girls in a track meet, and says there's
something wrong with these Democrats.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And to that end though also on the Biden stuff
and the lot. So you you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Talked to Alex Thompson has got this book out now,
and you know we've talked about, you know, Tapper particularly
with it. By the way, I think that it should
have been Thompson solo. I would have been far more.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Open to my This is what I think. And he
didn't say this, but this is what I think when
you read a book and you don't have a big name.
When I wrote my I wrote my book, I had
like no social media following, and they said to me,
if you can get someone with the name, will publish
your book. That's what they but the publishers told me
when I wrote my book. I think the same thing
probably happened Alex Nonson. I think that he was told
(27:10):
if you can get a name, will publish your book.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I mean he shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He should have gone with Wolf Blitzer or somebody who's
considered a little bit more of a neutral will.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Nobody would think that Wolf Blitzer wrote a word of it.
I don't know if they think Jake Tapper wrote a
word of it either, but definitely not Blitzer. You know
that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
He looks about as confused as Biden sometimes just being honest.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
But he's been going for forty years on air, so
I mean he's done his time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, he's done his time for sure. But okay, so
you sat down with Thompson, this book Original Sin that's
out there. What did you gather from it that was interest?
Like we already know, yes, they all you know, they
missed all this stuff about Biden? What was insightful? And
anyone wants to hear the interview, it's on the It's
a numbers game Clay and Buck podcast network. Go subscribe
to Clay and Buck Show and it will be right
in your feed. But Ryan, what, what did you what
(27:58):
did you learn from it that was interesting? Where'd you
get into that was we're talking about?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Well, one, the fact that Missus Biden, Jill Biden was
I did not know that she was a school teacher,
a professor the entire time she was second Lady of
the United States, she taught at the community college, and
apparently she hated being a politician spouse, which is not
unoriginal because a lot of people hate being politician spouses.
But the fact that she went from doing that to
(28:25):
being one of the most powerful second first ladies in
American history and essentially running large portions and being the
one who said, no, Joe, you can't drop out her transformation,
I think is fascinating. I asked them specifically about how
much it went into why, how much was considered the
fact that the Biden family needed Joe, and I put
(28:46):
the idea up there was Bo supposed to had Bo lived?
Which is always the essential question of the Biden a
legacy in the Biden family. Had Bo lived? Was he
supposed to be the politician to grant them access so
that they continue to live with a lot of economic
you know, flourishment and millions of dollars coming in, because
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that's how that entire family makes money. It's political connections.
Did Joe have to do this because he needed to
bring money in? And apparently now there's reporting that the
Bidens are basically broke, that they that they want Joe
out there more because they need a way to make money.
They can't do it, you know, I don't know think
other ways. So was that the entire premise of why
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Joe had to run from the family's perspective is they
needed millions to come in every year. They didn't want
a Clinton Foundation situation where all of a sudden, all
the money's just gone and dried up and they have
to pay for everyone because they pay for the grandkids,
they pay for the cousins, the brothers, everyone lives off
the Biden teeth. So that was a big, big part
of it. Also with the book, the people who even
(29:54):
after the debate had come out and said, no, Biden's
are our tickets. John F. Fetterman screamed at every Democratic
send They had a big meeting with Democratic senators and
they said, who is still with Biden? Everyone but three
said no, and Fetterman got up and started screaming and saying,
how fing dare you betray our great president like this?
(30:14):
And he was the only one in the room still
defending Joe Biden, even with the poll numbers bad, even
with everything. So that that was fascinating, which alliances remained
close to Joe long afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, I mean I have to first of all, Ryan,
that is really interesting and I hadn't heard that, and
that's that's something that should should.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Certainly be better known.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Fetterman has been getting a lot of credit because of
the stuff he says on Israel from people on the right,
and I mean, I don't know how to say this.
Do you think Fetterman just took a person that people
were saying the guy's brain didn't work because of his
own stuff, or why would Fetterman and so it was
just he just took that personally.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yes, I think that that's I think that's exactly what
it was. I think Fetterman said, you know, if you
were to judge everybody by how their brain operates, allegedly,
then I wouldn't be here. But to be the most
vocal and curse out your I mean, he cursed out
Chuck Schumer, he cursed out everybody that you betrayed him,
that you betrayed Joe Biden. And he was the only
(31:11):
one armed. He stood by himself, So I give him
credit for that. But it was an explosive scene. So
he talked to Alex Thompson about that, which I thought
was fascinating. How he was the sole voice to stand
with Biden when they said, hey, you're going to lose
New Jersey, Fetterman said, we ride with him till the
very end, and everyone else at that point was trying to,
you know, get him to drop out. So that was
(31:31):
really interesting. I think it's fascinating that right now Joe
Biden's team is still leaking information. Before this came out yesterday,
before the debate, Biden had a one point five percent
lead in Minnesota and Virginia. That was before the debate.
Had Biden been on the ticket, it would have been,
you know, not nineteen eighty four landslide, but nineteen eighty
(31:51):
eight landslide. It would have been a serious contention where
in New York and Illinois would have been in close
single digits, and New Jersey would have just been gone.
So I don't, I don't. I think that right now
they're rather than looking for a leader, looking for a mess,
looking for something, they're still kind of sent there and
blaming each other and who gets to inherit the throne
of a of a of a dead party. Uh. That's fascinating.
(32:15):
But I will say one thing. I think if they
did a poll, they did study democrats, and what is
the message going forward to Ezra Klein has this stupid
book out about abundance and all this stuff. So didn't
respond at all. Voters didn't care. They still want a
populist message. I think if I was advising a democrat
what they would be doing. There's big, the big beautiful
bill that's coming out. There is a provision in it
(32:37):
that forbid states to sit there and enforce AI technology,
any any enforcement AI reforms, uh any AI development anything.
I prevent states from even doing enacting any of that
or any protections from AI. That's what they should be
jumping on right now, because that's where the fears are.
That's my next episode of the podcast comes on Thursday
(32:57):
on A numbers game is about the genuine fears of
AI in job loss and the popular backbush that will
be as severe, if not more severe, than immigration itself.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's really interesting. Go check out.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's a numbers game on the Claim Buck podcast network.
Ryan Gerdusky is the host.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Ryan. Before I let you go quick.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
One kind of a lightning round question here, who's the
most powerful Democrat in America right now?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
AOSA and Bernie sand Bernie Sanders number one, and then
AOCS number two.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Wow, Bernie Sanders for sure, all right.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Ryan Gerdusky, always insightful.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Good to have you on my friend, Thank you, thank
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these two callers up? Guys, let's go to Chuck instance.
Oh we don't.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh they left, Chuck. Where'd you go, buddy? We're about
to talk. It was gonna be Chuck and Buck. Oh
fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
So, yeah, there is plenty of time of chat in
the next hour. We got to talk back here. Dave
from Twin Cities. Ee play it, Hey, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Okay, if that terrorist in Colorado was here now illegally,
does that not make his wife and kids here illegally?
How quick can we get them on a plane that
out of here?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I don't know what their status is, that's a good question.
I'm not sure i'd have to We'll we'll have to see,
you know. So far, they keep on reporting it as
like Colorado man. I'm like, well, he's illegal and he's
from Egypt, but sure, Colorado man works, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean, if you imagine, this is what they do
all the time. It's like Maryland man, Maryland man deported.
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Well, he's from El Salvador and he's an MS thirt
team member. But let's put this one on the state
of Maryland, right.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
This is what they do.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
We'll have those updates for you from the White House
here shortly and we'll dive into that. And also I
want to take a bunch of your calls and chat
about everything we have been hitting on today's show.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So that's where we're at.
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And I really mean that.
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the White House say in the aftermath of that Colorad
terrorist attack.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
We'll discuss stay with us,
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