February 25, 2025 • 38 mins
Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan on the Biden appointed contractor who leaked 400,000 tax returns, DOGE, and getting bills passed. The gender rabbit hole and how the left creating terms like "inseminated person" proves they've learned nothing. Trump's border numbers: promises made, promises kept. Part of success is believing in yourself. Clay reveals a job he once had that might surprise you.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome man our.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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crew to be a part of the Clay and Buck
podcast network. We are joined now by our friend, Congressman
Jim Jordan, great State of Ohio. I don't know that
we've talked to Jim since the Ohio State Buckeyes won
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the national championship, and so congratulations there.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I know you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I know you've got connections to a variety of Big
ten schools over the years. We got a lot to
get in with you, but I wanted to start with this.
I saw your House Judiciary Committee putting out news over
four hundred thousand individual tax returns have been leaked, which
is a staggering number, and we wanted to give you
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an opportunity to kind of explain to all of us
how that happened, what's going on, and what you expect
to uncover going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
By one guy Clay who went to the IRS with
the specific objective of leaking President Trump's tax return.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And as in that effort, four hundred and five thousand
either businesses or individuals have their tax information and violations
you know section sixty one or three so that we've
dealt with in a long time time in Congress. But
that information goes public and he gets charged with one
count one dount to be four hundred five thousand, I mean,
for goodness sake, and you know we hear so much
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about oh Elon Musk having access to sensitive information. Here
was a contractor hired by the Biden administration who came
in with the specific goal, accomplished that goal, and four
hundred and five thousand other people also had their information public.
And it just I mean, it's the IRS the same
in what they you know, a dollars for eighty thousand
new people to come in there, and yet oh Elon
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Musk can't have access to this information where he's actually
going to save taxpayers money. It's so ridiculous. You know,
this is the IRS though, this is big government. That's why,
you know, God blessed President Trump and in the Doze effort,
because I think they're they're highlighting how ridiculous some of
these things the government really does.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Congress and Jordan always appreciate you being with us. I'm sorry,
I just want to make sure that I'm getting this
right because this is one of these things where it
actually it feels a little mind blowing even given this
stuff we've seen from the government, as bad as a
lot of the bureaucracy stuff. Is four hundred thousand tax
returns were leaked? How do we know this? And will
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most people be notified of this?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It just seems like, yeah, the IRS is not.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
They are being notified, and you know that's the least
we can do. But remember this is the same IRS.
I mean, we just had Matt Tybe come and testify
again two weeks ago. And if you remember, back in
December of twenty twenty two, Matt Type does one of
the Twitter files, important Twitter file. The very day he
releases that Twitter file, which just happened to be December
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twenty fourth, twenty twentieth Christmas Eve. That very day, the
IRS opens an investigation into his taxes. They opened that
very day, and then two and a half months later,
he's testifying in front of our committee. And while he's testifying,
while Democrats are asking him to reveal sources, while they're
saying he's a so called journalist, why they're attacking him,
the IRS was knocking on his door. So should we
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be surprised that the Biden ir S is actually, you know,
having somebody get inside there and release President Trump's tax
return and a bunch of one hundreds of thousands of
other American entities as well. This is how ridiculous. This
is why big government is bad, and what we're focused on.
What President Trump campaigned on to eaton Musson now implementing
it is so darn important.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jim, I know there's a ton that you got, Clay.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm just by the way with Matt Tybee. The IRS
actually owed him money, you think, but they're trying to
intimidate him, and it turned out they owed him. You
can't make this stuff up, So anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Think you know this, I mean, because you listen, Buck
is being audited right now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I have been good times, good times, really fun.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I never was audited in my entire life until we
took over this show. Every one of my tax returns
since I started this show has been audited.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Congressman the Irs told me I owed thirty nine dollars
and seventy five cents. I mean, I don't know who
they've got thirty nine dollars and seventy five cents.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You're lucky dog didn't find you first, Clay.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's I don't know who they got pouring through my
tax returns. But I don't know how many people have
ever gotten a back tax owed bill of thirty nine
dollars and seventy five cents.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
But I did. Yeah, And so it's like you know this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
When you look and you've met Elon and you've had
the opportunity to interact with him. Can you believe that
Democrats have decided that the hill they want to die
on is being aggressive to try to cut waste and
spending is unacceptable. Some of this stuff I just can't
believe is a real argument.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
No, I agree, and I caught you. I forget where
I saw you're doing an interview. You're making this point. No,
I mean, instead of helping us stop the stupid spending,
let's attack the guy who's exposing the stupid spending. Like, what,
that's your that's your political party. I mean, that's that's
the position you're gonna take and take that to the folks.
I get the privilege of representing in West central and
north central Ohio farmers and people who work in manufacturing
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and the good regular families. They're like, what are you
talking about. I'd actually like for you to stop the
stupid spending. Yeah. I don't get it. But if they
want to do that, God bless them, we will keep
We'll keep talking about the crazy things that their tax
money is being useful and working to stop it work
along with Elon Musk.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
One of the most important things Congress and Jordan that
you are looking to do and to get other members
of Congress on board for so much of what we've
seen so far is obviously executive branch action. Stuff from
the White House, from the Oval Office, President Trump, from
Elon and others, you know, his cabinet, various cabinet secretaries.
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We haven't been you know, it must be interesting, Congress
isn't getting beat up over all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Congress is sort of on the side. It's everyone's focused
on the executive branch. What do you want to see
the House do in order to assist in cleaning up
all the stuff that's going on here? I mean, what's
feasible and what's on the agenda?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, I mean, first is reconciliation. I mean, we've got
a budget package that we're hoping to pass the day.
We're trying to round up the boats for that, but this,
this budget resolution would allow us to It sets the
stage for us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with
national defense, and secure the border, which you know, go figure,
that sounds like we're being repat publicans. It sounds like
we're doing what we told the boters we're going to do.
So that's that's where primary focus is in the in
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the Congress right now is getting this package moving so
we can actually do via reconciliation, which is you know,
I'm sure you talk to your listeners many times, is
just a fancy word for you don't need sixty votes
in the Senate to do the things that you want
to do. When it relates to budgeting and spending. So
that's where we're we're really fopling. But we are going
to have to codify some of the stuff that that
Elon Musk is identifying. And understand there's been there's been
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efforts over the years to do Citizens against Government Waste
and other final organizations have highlighted some of this stuff
over the years, the ear marks, the bridge to know
where sup of things that that money gets spent on,
But there's never been this kind of intensity and focus
and effort with the media attention on Elon Musk and
and President Trump campaigning on it and saying Elon is
going to be the guy who randos That is what
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is new and I think dynamic and giving so much
attention to this, which is needed frankly when you look
at the trillion dollar deficits we're running and the thirty
six trillion dollars debt that's now piled up. So that's
that's where we got to pull it. At some point,
we're going to have to codify what he's what what
Elon is identifying in his team. But also we got
to get this reconciliation package done.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mentioned Ohio State off the top.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Obviously the vice president Ohio State, Buck Eye Grad.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I know he was happy to see that win over
Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You are also involved, in addition to a billion other
things going on NIL and college athletics. I think I
saw coming across the line a little bit earlier today
was that there's going to be a hearing surrounding that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Am I right, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
For people out there who are big college sports fans,
what are you examining?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, we're actually doing something that typically doesn't happen all
that often on Capitol Hill. We're actually going to do
hear is what we're trying to get information. Whether it's
not some predetermined outcome that we wanted, some bill we
want to pass, or something decory we're trying to achieve.
We just want to We want everyone loves college sports.
We want them to be around. I watched the Oklahoma
State IOWA match on tape last night when the home late,
and we want we love college sports, and most people
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it's football, basketball, but there's so many other sports. We
want to make sure they're all doing well. We met
with Charlie Baker, we met with and through some of
some of the work with U Clay We've met with
some of the commissioners from some of the big conferences.
So we're looking at do in some hearings and field
hearings where we talk to people involved in college athletics
and see we want to make sure this continues. It's
been such an amazing thing, and it's different from most
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other countries where it's all club level, different kind of concept,
this idea that sports are good for students and student athletes.
That's why we have them in school, and when you
get to the top level Division one athletics, it's really
important to Americans. So we're going to have some of
these hearings where we bring in people. We're kind of
waiting for this House decision when it's finalized, so we
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sort of know exactly what's there, but we're actually going
to solicit information. Imagine that Congress trying to get information
and figure out what's the best way to move forward
and should we move forward at all as as as
you know in Congress, or or do you just let
the marketplace work. So those are the questions we have
and we're trying to get answers to Congressman, have you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Ever seen such a lack of gusto from your.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Counterparts on the Democrat side in the Congress. It is
a remarkable moment in American history. Right now, it's just
the deafening sound of crickets chirping as Trump is doing
all this stuff. There's not much happening from from them.
What where do you think that goes. Are they going
to just summertime decide that they're going to focus in
on healthcare for the midterms or something.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
How does it work?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, I mean, yeah, they're not. They're going to keep fighting.
The left is the left, and they don't like the
idea that we the people are in charge. I mean,
it's I would say, this is the fundamental Fight's what
you're seeing with with Musk. It's like, oh no, no, no,
it's the bureaucrats. It's the faucies of the world who
are supposed to run things, you know, the experts. It
can't be we the people, via the people we actually
elect into office. It can't be that model. That's the competition.
(10:58):
We don't want that. We want the bureau restor bunting.
So that's the fundamental fight. There's still going to be
the left, But you're right, the momentum is all, and
the energy is all on President Trump's side of the
Republican side. And you see that with the fact that
every single person he is nominated, with the exception of
mister Gates, but every single one has been confirmed. And
now we have Dan Bondino gonna go help Cash, We've
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got Pam Bondi, Todd Blantch coming into justice. I mean,
it's the team he has put together, good, sharp people
who understand they're supposed to be in those positions to
serve we the people. That's the attitude that was I
think reflective in the election, and that's the attitude you
see in these folks, and I'm excited about it all.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Jim, what shall we know about the time frame here
on bills getting passed? I know there's been a discussion
one bill, two bills, one big beautiful bill. What is
the current process I guess under which this is playing
out on Capitol Hill? And what should we know from
a time frame perspective based on what you know?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
No good, good question. And you know I'm as I
fell along tactically, one built, two bill, ten bills. I
don't care. I just want to get done what we
said we're going to do. But the one bill approach
is the budget for creating that. That vehicle is supposed
to happen tonight. Now, the Speaker said, we may or
may not be able to get the vote tonight, but
I think we can. We're working on that, and then
the final package. The timeline is the Speaker's laid out
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and Leader Soon has talked about, is sometime in April,
where we would get that one big beautiful bill, or
if it's two and you've got to do a second one,
but the idea with one is to get it done
sometime in April, so that those tax cuts are in place,
they stay in place, the new tax cuts come into place,
the money needed for Tom Homan to do his job
and secure our border because it takes revenue, it takes
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resources to do that, and then some money for our
national defense, which again are all the things we campaigned on.
That's the timeline that the Speaker's laid out, and that's
what we're trying to meet.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
What do you think of the chances Congress and Jordan
that for the first and maybe only time you'll be
a part of a bill that's actually called one big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it has a nice ring to it. I'm
just throwing that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Out there, you know, and it's so President's twelve and
you know, you guys have spent time running like I have.
And he's a special guy and what a leader, and
the optimism and love he has for the country is
just it's phenomenal. And I think the bill is an
appropriately named. So let's hope we can get it done tonight,
get that first step done later this season.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Fantastic Congress and Jim Jordan. But how I appreciate you, sir,
Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Take care.
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much time we need to spend on this, Clay, but
we were talking about the Democrat cult in the last hour,
and do you see this Democrat Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers
has introduced a bill for Wisconsin. Uh that would I
(16:34):
did see a state law to replace the word mother
with inseminated person. I had to check on this a
couple of times. This can't This has got to be
Babylon B. I feel sometimes a little bad for the
Babylon B because how can they satirize the level of
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what is going on?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It is beyond parody. Uh inseminated.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So yeah, instead of a Mother's Day card, maybe in
Wisconsin now they can start to send around happy inseminated
person day. They they can't really think this is a
good idea, right, They can't really believe that we're gonna
let them get away with being so crazy and not
drag them all over the place for this.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, I think we have a cut on this. We'll
play in a sec.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But buck, this is where I think a lot of
younger women are going to decline to follow the Democrat
Party down this crazy rabbit hole of gender that they're
going because they're not as afraid about abortion related issues
as they might have been a couple of years ago
when Roe v. Wade got overturned. Because by and large,
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states have made their own decisions, and we haven't seen
some crazy new world. But here was Jessica Tarlov, the
resident liberal on the five, talking about this specifically from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Listen, my experience as.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
A liberal who has been inseminated of fo times is
that you're just making up problems that don't exist, and
there are real problems out there. There are reasons that
we don't use slurs, or that we try not to
use slurs against certain groups. But I would doubt that
there are more than five people who have ever complained
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about something like this.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Or that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I don't know the statistics on how.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Many trans men give birth per anim but I imagine
that it's pretty slim and that we would know about
it if there were more cases.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Uh, so this is all a smart take.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Also, Buck, I'll just say, inciminated person actually sounds super
misogyns Like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it
sounds super misogynistic because you're only defining a woman by
something that a man did to her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Am I crazy on this?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like that seems like, hey, you're basically a receptacle for
male activities. It doesn't seem very empowering for women to
refer to them as inciminated people, right, like inciminated person,
it actually feels really insulting.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Well, not to get too technical, but also just because
you're an inseminated person doesn't mean you're a mom.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's pretty technical. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, buddy,
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
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hit you guys with because they are actually very positive
in nature.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
We are not talking enough. And I'll take the blame
partly for.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
This about one of the things that Donald Trump promised
he would do, and I mean media at large, not
just this show, that he promised he would do, and
he has essentially one hundred percent delivered on. This is
from the Washington Post.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
These numbers at the border are pretty unbelievable. There were
only fifteen thousand and seven hundred migrants encountered in the
entire thirty days the first month since Trump became president.
That's the lowest thirty day number on the border since
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April of twenty seventeen. Remember, they have not yet passed
a bill. All Trump did was show up and sign
an executive order many of them, and boom, the border
is right back to being closed. Let me hit you
with this Encounters. This is according to the Washington Post,
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So this is not the far right wing sourcing here.
This is the Washington Post. Encounters are down ninety four
percent from their high of two hundred and sixty three thousand,
nine hundred in December of twenty twenty three. They're down
ninety one percent for the average of the Biden calendar
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four years, and they're down eighty percent from their average
of the last quarter century from two thousand to twenty
twenty four. Tom Homan Borders are will join us live
on the program tomorrow. But this was one of the
strongest promises that Donald Trump made on day one. I
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will shut down our southern border. I will begin to
deport violent criminals. Promise made, promise kept. And you know,
the numbers are extraordinary because by and large, Buck, there's
zero discussion suddenly about the border. If Trump had fallen
apart on the border, they'd be talking about it a lot. Instead,
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it's shut down on a level we've rarely seen in
the past twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It also goes to show beyond any doubt that Democrats
were lying for a long time when they were saying
things like we need congressional action to do anything about this,
or when they tried to at the last minute, it
was so transparent, which is why the Republican in the
Senate who went along.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
With it was just a useful idiot.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
When they tried to pass that border security bill in
the election year, Oh yeahy, won't Republicans go with this
border security bill?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They must want more illegals.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
You know, this is the person who has burned your
house down, running up with a pail of water as
it's smoldering, saying I'm here to help. I mean, the
whole thing was absolutely absurd. This is a law enforcement issue,
which means it's really an executive branch issue, which means
it's really a political will issue. These individuals are in
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the country in violation of existing congressional statutes. They are
entering the country in violation of existing congressionally passed statutes.
So what you need is people to enforce those laws
and make sure there are consequences as part of that enforcement,
in this case, sending you back to the country that
is your actual country, and you don't just get to
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skip the line and go around all the legal immigrants
into American and decide you're going to stay here and
get access to all the benefits of being on American soil.
So Trump is doing a fantastic job with this so far.
But I think it does add to the sense of
it should add to the sense of outrage that people
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have that we had to suffer through ten million illegals
pouring into the country under Biden, they wanted that to happen.
This is the key difference, right Clay. It's not that
this was oh, you know, we tried and they just overwhelmed.
Then we couldn't know. The Democrats pretended that they didn't
want this to happen, while they made sure that it
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was happening and did nothing to stop it. In fact,
they enabled it. It was a policy decision that they made.
It was not a natural design, and it wasn't a
hurricane that they were unprepared for or something. It was
we are made this situation what it is, which is
a lawless mess and really a sellout of the American
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people and American sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And now this is one thing we're gonna keep pointing out.
Congress does need to act because we need to take
away the presidential authority that Biden took advantage of to
allow the southern border to be wide open again.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So in order to ensure hopefully.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That this doesn't happen again, Congress needs to take an
action and this is part of the big beautiful bill
that hopefully would restrict the president's ability to act under
executive authority. But this is where Trump not only has
kept his promises, but he was accurate. He said, all
we have to do, and we'll talk about this with
Tom Homan tomorrow. All we have to do is re
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implement the policies that we put in place last time,
and the southern border will cease being wide open for
the entire world. Trump did it. Thirty days boom, southern
border is shut. And in fact, based on these numbers,
I think there's a good chance that there are fewer
illegal immigrants in the country at all during the Trump
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administration now than there was before. That is, we're not
allowing in a massive amount of illegals, and we're also
now sending violent illegals out. This may be the first
month since Joe Biden came into office where the number
of illegal immigrants in the United States has actually declined,
even if it's not as fast as people would want
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the positive trend lines have flipped.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I think that this is also part of a reorientation
of the thinking of the majority of the American people,
Like I can't speak to the insane, you know, I
can't speak to the people who are like, we need
to change the law for inseminated person instead of mom like,
we're never gonna you can't. You can't fix that, Okay,
(27:00):
But for we're at solid majority issues here. Sixty percent
of the American people approve of the deportations that Trump
is doing, six zero sixty percent. And I think if
they knew more details about who these people are and
what's really been going on, the number would be more
like seventy seventy five percent.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And that now you're just getting to the hardcore open
borders left, right, twenty twenty five percent of the country
is nuts. We can't do anything about that. But really,
twenty percent of any country is going to be kind
of a little bit nutty on politics. I think that's
fair to say. And you know, I think there's a
just a contingent of any society. It's going to be
kind of crazy. But here's the thing, Clay, They're changing
(27:38):
our perception of what is possible. Yes, you know, yes
Trump has this win. But if Trump is doing this,
future administrations as well will have to contend with the
fact that if all of a sudden the border gets
kicked wide open again, they can't play the oh we're overwhelmed.
We just need more we just need more immigration judges.
(27:59):
We just need more order patrol to welcome people into
the country who have come here illegally. Right, that's changed
the same way that does and the budget stuff and
the government waste fraud and abuse cutting is changing our
perception of whether we can actually tackle government spending, government growth. Right,
you can't fix this all at once, but when you
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can do something about it, you then have the proof
that you can do more going forward. So I think
that there's a mentality shift here that Trump is created
so much of.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
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my ted talk here, but is belief that you can
achieve success what is actually possible in all facets of life.
And I do think what Elon Musk has expanded, I
would say this is maybe his biggest achievement in general
as a capitalist buck. A lot of people thought he
(28:54):
was crazy when he said, hey, I'm going to do
electric vehicles. A lot of people thought he was crazy
when he said, Hey, I'm going to send rocket ships
to space better than NASA does it. A lot of
people thought he was crazy when he bought Twitter, when
he started Xai, and so far all of these decisions
that he has made appear to be working, not only working,
(29:18):
but occurring incredible in terms of their ability to alter
expectation and projection of what is even capable in the
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We're gonna be joined.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Do we have Ruth Olly I'm forgetting if you confirmed
or not.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We're working on it.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
We may have our friend Chris Rufo joining talk about
what's going on inside of the intelligence community with this
leaked sort of I don't know if it's like it's
like a Slack channel, but it's not called that. It's
and I've been out for a while. I don't even
know what the instant messenger equivalent is called. Now they
you know, they probably change contractors every few years in
the federal government. I have no idea but saying some
(31:13):
crazy stuff of the activist LGBTQ I A plus plus variety.
I wonder how long we have to keep using that acronym.
The pronouns in the bios has gone away largely. Do
we have to keep saying LGBTQ I A plus plus.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't think we do. We can certainly just like
start to shorten it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I do think what you're talking about, We're gonna give
some more details. Top of the third hour. I looked
at some of these messages. I can't imagine sending them
in work conversation. This is not like a text message
with your friends. This is not a text message with
your buddies, like outside.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Of official servers in classified buildings of the federal government
on government huh, yes.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And it's just I can't even describe Clay. I don't
even know.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
And I mean, I'm not trying to get back into
the uh, you know it seminated person discussion here. I
don't even know what some of the things are that
they are texting about. Yeah, on the thread, I truly
mean that they're they're describing things that are of a
kind of like a sexual nature. And I don't know
what it is that they're talking about. I just know
(32:25):
that it's not something you should be talking about at work.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I mean, and maybe this is because I don't
know that I've talked about this. I used to do
HR investigations as a warrior.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I would come in and just take a step back
for a second. It is hilarious that you used to
do hre mister first of Emden boobs, just like, excuse me, sir,
did you make an off color joke?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I used to I used to do HR investigations as
a warrior because I could do a investigation on behalf
of the company that was, as a general rule, considered
to be privileged because I was an attorney represent a company.
So the things that people put in email are usually
(33:06):
a huge part of any HR investigation. So what you
put in your work email is around forever. People tend
to think, oh, this is not but my advice to
you is in a work email, be careful. I looked
at this and I just couldn't imagine what it meant.
What it represented to me buck was and I think
we've seen this come true with the reaction to DOGE.
(33:30):
None of these government employees ever fear.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Losing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They felt so protected that they could basically do anything
at work and there were no consequences.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Can I tell you though, and this is from I've
been increasingly reaching out to for obvious reasons since the election.
Friends of mine and these agencies because one they know
that we know some of the people, we're friends with
some of the people that are running these places now
really almost all of them.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And I mean Tulci, Gabbert, the d and I.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You all know these people we text and invite on
the show and have been for years. Cash Betel at FBI.
You know, Bongino going to be deputy director of FBI,
and these are these are our people. And so people
that are others who are inside these agencies A right,
you know, what do you think of this person? And
is this you know, how are they going to approach this?
And Clay one part of this is there are there
(34:21):
are good people in these agencies, and maybe a lot
less than many of us have realized. Maybe it's you know,
twenty percent, maybe it's thirty percent. There are good people
though in all these agencies. I want to make that
pretty much all. I don't know about Department of Education,
I mean there's but FBI. I mean, there are good
people in these agencies. The percentages we still have to
figure that out. But they to what you're saying about
(34:42):
how they never fear firing for being bad at their jobs, know,
for saying something that offends the woke gods for saying
something that is not DEI approved. Oh, you could get
in a lot of trouble for that, and that now
finally may be changing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We'll talk about We'll see if we get rufo on,
but we'll talk about how crazy this is in general.
Caroline Levitt is giving a press conference right now, Buck,
I also sent in some clips from her in this
third hour. There's going to be a major fit throne
because she is saying, instead of the White House Correspondence
Association controlling who gets access to ask questions, the Trump
(35:25):
white House now is going to make more and more
decisions about who has access to the briefings.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
This is going to turn into a big deal. I'm
just telling all of you. The AP has already.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Filed a lawsuit saying their First Amendment rights are being
restricted by not being granted access. Let me tell you something,
that argument is not going to win. Because I went
through a lot of this when I started out kick
We mentioned this a little bit, Buck, I had to
fight really hard to get access to public events, the conferences,
(35:57):
the leagues. They have a lot of troll over who
can sit in their press boxes and who can come
to their press conferences. Clay, this is true throughout so
much of the government, and I think it's it's interesting
that now Democrats have a problem with this. When Trump
was in office, and this is when I made three
of my three of my visits to the border and
different places, it was border patrol. What do you want
(36:20):
to see? What transparency do you need? Who can we
have you talk to? We'll do We'll do anything that
helps you get the truth about the border out to
the American people.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Biden comes into office and my contacts down there, with
the exception of border patrol Union, but contacts are like, look,
we can't talk to you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What do you mean you can't. I'm an American, I'm
in media. We can't. Now they'll talk to you offline.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
But I'm saying, officially speaking, all of a sudden, everyone
scared for their jobs. So yeah, why should why should
regime media of the Biden era be given preference over
media that, by the way, has bigger audiences on the
right in general. Anyway, in what world should CNN get
preference over you know, Daily Caller.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't see why that should be the case.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I agree, and I expect that it's going to turn
into a big battle again. There's a difference between not
giving full access and restricting what somebody can say. Government
obviously shouldn't be in the business of restricting what someone
can say, but they can totally decide who gets to
(37:27):
get on Air Force one, who gets to be in
a press briefing, and that is a battle that media
has been fighting for all time. Who gets access, who's
able to ask questions that isn't that's a privilege, that's
not something associated with the First Amendment. And the AP
just got slapped down even by left wing judges over this,
(37:48):
so that's going to continue to be an issue. We'll
play some audio of Caroline Levitt laying it out all
that more last hour, playing Buck next, Keep Hanging.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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podcast network. We are joined now by our friend, Congressman
Jim Jordan, great State of Ohio. I don't know that
we've talked to Jim since the Ohio State Buckeyes won
(00:48):
the national championship, and so congratulations there.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I know you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I know you've got connections to a variety of Big
ten schools over the years. We got a lot to
get in with you, but I wanted to start with this.
I saw your House Judiciary Committee putting out news over
four hundred thousand individual tax returns have been leaked, which
is a staggering number, and we wanted to give you
(01:15):
an opportunity to kind of explain to all of us
how that happened, what's going on, and what you expect
to uncover going forward.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
By one guy Clay who went to the IRS with
the specific objective of leaking President Trump's tax return.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And as in that effort, four hundred and five thousand
either businesses or individuals have their tax information and violations
you know section sixty one or three so that we've
dealt with in a long time time in Congress. But
that information goes public and he gets charged with one
count one dount to be four hundred five thousand, I mean,
for goodness sake, and you know we hear so much
(01:53):
about oh Elon Musk having access to sensitive information. Here
was a contractor hired by the Biden administration who came
in with the specific goal, accomplished that goal, and four
hundred and five thousand other people also had their information public.
And it just I mean, it's the IRS the same
in what they you know, a dollars for eighty thousand
new people to come in there, and yet oh Elon
(02:15):
Musk can't have access to this information where he's actually
going to save taxpayers money. It's so ridiculous. You know,
this is the IRS though, this is big government. That's why,
you know, God blessed President Trump and in the Doze effort,
because I think they're they're highlighting how ridiculous some of
these things the government really does.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Congress and Jordan always appreciate you being with us. I'm sorry,
I just want to make sure that I'm getting this
right because this is one of these things where it
actually it feels a little mind blowing even given this
stuff we've seen from the government, as bad as a
lot of the bureaucracy stuff. Is four hundred thousand tax
returns were leaked? How do we know this? And will
(02:55):
most people be notified of this?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It just seems like, yeah, the IRS is not.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
They are being notified, and you know that's the least
we can do. But remember this is the same IRS.
I mean, we just had Matt Tybe come and testify
again two weeks ago. And if you remember, back in
December of twenty twenty two, Matt Type does one of
the Twitter files, important Twitter file. The very day he
releases that Twitter file, which just happened to be December
(03:21):
twenty fourth, twenty twentieth Christmas Eve. That very day, the
IRS opens an investigation into his taxes. They opened that
very day, and then two and a half months later,
he's testifying in front of our committee. And while he's testifying,
while Democrats are asking him to reveal sources, while they're
saying he's a so called journalist, why they're attacking him,
the IRS was knocking on his door. So should we
(03:43):
be surprised that the Biden ir S is actually, you know,
having somebody get inside there and release President Trump's tax
return and a bunch of one hundreds of thousands of
other American entities as well. This is how ridiculous. This
is why big government is bad, and what we're focused on.
What President Trump campaigned on to eaton Musson now implementing
it is so darn important.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jim, I know there's a ton that you got, Clay.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm just by the way with Matt Tybee. The IRS
actually owed him money, you think, but they're trying to
intimidate him, and it turned out they owed him. You
can't make this stuff up, So anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Think you know this, I mean, because you listen, Buck
is being audited right now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I have been good times, good times, really fun.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I never was audited in my entire life until we
took over this show. Every one of my tax returns
since I started this show has been audited.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Congressman the Irs told me I owed thirty nine dollars
and seventy five cents. I mean, I don't know who
they've got thirty nine dollars and seventy five cents.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You're lucky dog didn't find you first, Clay.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's I don't know who they got pouring through my
tax returns. But I don't know how many people have
ever gotten a back tax owed bill of thirty nine
dollars and seventy five cents.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
But I did. Yeah, And so it's like you know this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
When you look and you've met Elon and you've had
the opportunity to interact with him. Can you believe that
Democrats have decided that the hill they want to die
on is being aggressive to try to cut waste and
spending is unacceptable. Some of this stuff I just can't
believe is a real argument.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
No, I agree, and I caught you. I forget where
I saw you're doing an interview. You're making this point. No,
I mean, instead of helping us stop the stupid spending,
let's attack the guy who's exposing the stupid spending. Like, what,
that's your that's your political party. I mean, that's that's
the position you're gonna take and take that to the folks.
I get the privilege of representing in West central and
north central Ohio farmers and people who work in manufacturing
(05:45):
and the good regular families. They're like, what are you
talking about. I'd actually like for you to stop the
stupid spending. Yeah. I don't get it. But if they
want to do that, God bless them, we will keep
We'll keep talking about the crazy things that their tax
money is being useful and working to stop it work
along with Elon Musk.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
One of the most important things Congress and Jordan that
you are looking to do and to get other members
of Congress on board for so much of what we've
seen so far is obviously executive branch action. Stuff from
the White House, from the Oval Office, President Trump, from
Elon and others, you know, his cabinet, various cabinet secretaries.
(06:23):
We haven't been you know, it must be interesting, Congress
isn't getting beat up over all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Congress is sort of on the side. It's everyone's focused
on the executive branch. What do you want to see
the House do in order to assist in cleaning up
all the stuff that's going on here? I mean, what's
feasible and what's on the agenda?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, I mean, first is reconciliation. I mean, we've got
a budget package that we're hoping to pass the day.
We're trying to round up the boats for that, but this,
this budget resolution would allow us to It sets the
stage for us to cut taxes, cut spending, help with
national defense, and secure the border, which you know, go figure,
that sounds like we're being repat publicans. It sounds like
we're doing what we told the boters we're going to do.
So that's that's where primary focus is in the in
(07:05):
the Congress right now is getting this package moving so
we can actually do via reconciliation, which is you know,
I'm sure you talk to your listeners many times, is
just a fancy word for you don't need sixty votes
in the Senate to do the things that you want
to do. When it relates to budgeting and spending. So
that's where we're we're really fopling. But we are going
to have to codify some of the stuff that that
Elon Musk is identifying. And understand there's been there's been
(07:28):
efforts over the years to do Citizens against Government Waste
and other final organizations have highlighted some of this stuff
over the years, the ear marks, the bridge to know
where sup of things that that money gets spent on,
But there's never been this kind of intensity and focus
and effort with the media attention on Elon Musk and
and President Trump campaigning on it and saying Elon is
going to be the guy who randos That is what
(07:50):
is new and I think dynamic and giving so much
attention to this, which is needed frankly when you look
at the trillion dollar deficits we're running and the thirty
six trillion dollars debt that's now piled up. So that's
that's where we got to pull it. At some point,
we're going to have to codify what he's what what
Elon is identifying in his team. But also we got
to get this reconciliation package done.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mentioned Ohio State off the top.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Obviously the vice president Ohio State, Buck Eye Grad.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I know he was happy to see that win over
Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You are also involved, in addition to a billion other
things going on NIL and college athletics. I think I
saw coming across the line a little bit earlier today
was that there's going to be a hearing surrounding that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Am I right, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
For people out there who are big college sports fans,
what are you examining?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, we're actually doing something that typically doesn't happen all
that often on Capitol Hill. We're actually going to do
hear is what we're trying to get information. Whether it's
not some predetermined outcome that we wanted, some bill we
want to pass, or something decory we're trying to achieve.
We just want to We want everyone loves college sports.
We want them to be around. I watched the Oklahoma
State IOWA match on tape last night when the home late,
and we want we love college sports, and most people
(09:03):
it's football, basketball, but there's so many other sports. We
want to make sure they're all doing well. We met
with Charlie Baker, we met with and through some of
some of the work with U Clay We've met with
some of the commissioners from some of the big conferences.
So we're looking at do in some hearings and field
hearings where we talk to people involved in college athletics
and see we want to make sure this continues. It's
been such an amazing thing, and it's different from most
(09:26):
other countries where it's all club level, different kind of concept,
this idea that sports are good for students and student athletes.
That's why we have them in school, and when you
get to the top level Division one athletics, it's really
important to Americans. So we're going to have some of
these hearings where we bring in people. We're kind of
waiting for this House decision when it's finalized, so we
(09:46):
sort of know exactly what's there, but we're actually going
to solicit information. Imagine that Congress trying to get information
and figure out what's the best way to move forward
and should we move forward at all as as as
you know in Congress, or or do you just let
the marketplace work. So those are the questions we have
and we're trying to get answers to Congressman, have you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Ever seen such a lack of gusto from your.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Counterparts on the Democrat side in the Congress. It is
a remarkable moment in American history. Right now, it's just
the deafening sound of crickets chirping as Trump is doing
all this stuff. There's not much happening from from them.
What where do you think that goes. Are they going
to just summertime decide that they're going to focus in
on healthcare for the midterms or something.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
How does it work?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, I mean, yeah, they're not. They're going to keep fighting.
The left is the left, and they don't like the
idea that we the people are in charge. I mean,
it's I would say, this is the fundamental Fight's what
you're seeing with with Musk. It's like, oh no, no, no,
it's the bureaucrats. It's the faucies of the world who
are supposed to run things, you know, the experts. It
can't be we the people, via the people we actually
elect into office. It can't be that model. That's the competition.
(10:58):
We don't want that. We want the bureau restor bunting.
So that's the fundamental fight. There's still going to be
the left, But you're right, the momentum is all, and
the energy is all on President Trump's side of the
Republican side. And you see that with the fact that
every single person he is nominated, with the exception of
mister Gates, but every single one has been confirmed. And
now we have Dan Bondino gonna go help Cash, We've
(11:20):
got Pam Bondi, Todd Blantch coming into justice. I mean,
it's the team he has put together, good, sharp people
who understand they're supposed to be in those positions to
serve we the people. That's the attitude that was I
think reflective in the election, and that's the attitude you
see in these folks, and I'm excited about it all.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Jim, what shall we know about the time frame here
on bills getting passed? I know there's been a discussion
one bill, two bills, one big beautiful bill. What is
the current process I guess under which this is playing
out on Capitol Hill? And what should we know from
a time frame perspective based on what you know?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
No good, good question. And you know I'm as I
fell along tactically, one built, two bill, ten bills. I
don't care. I just want to get done what we
said we're going to do. But the one bill approach
is the budget for creating that. That vehicle is supposed
to happen tonight. Now, the Speaker said, we may or
may not be able to get the vote tonight, but
I think we can. We're working on that, and then
the final package. The timeline is the Speaker's laid out
(12:25):
and Leader Soon has talked about, is sometime in April,
where we would get that one big beautiful bill, or
if it's two and you've got to do a second one,
but the idea with one is to get it done
sometime in April, so that those tax cuts are in place,
they stay in place, the new tax cuts come into place,
the money needed for Tom Homan to do his job
and secure our border because it takes revenue, it takes
(12:47):
resources to do that, and then some money for our
national defense, which again are all the things we campaigned on.
That's the timeline that the Speaker's laid out, and that's
what we're trying to meet.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
What do you think of the chances Congress and Jordan
that for the first and maybe only time you'll be
a part of a bill that's actually called one big
beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think it has a nice ring to it. I'm
just throwing that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Out there, you know, and it's so President's twelve and
you know, you guys have spent time running like I have.
And he's a special guy and what a leader, and
the optimism and love he has for the country is
just it's phenomenal. And I think the bill is an
appropriately named. So let's hope we can get it done tonight,
get that first step done later this season.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Fantastic Congress and Jim Jordan. But how I appreciate you, sir,
Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Take care.
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We'll take some calls coming up here. Eight hundred two
eight two to eight eight two. I don't know how
much time we need to spend on this, Clay, but
we were talking about the Democrat cult in the last hour,
and do you see this Democrat Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers
has introduced a bill for Wisconsin. Uh that would I
(16:34):
did see a state law to replace the word mother
with inseminated person. I had to check on this a
couple of times. This can't This has got to be
Babylon B. I feel sometimes a little bad for the
Babylon B because how can they satirize the level of
(16:55):
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It is beyond parody. Uh inseminated.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
So yeah, instead of a Mother's Day card, maybe in
Wisconsin now they can start to send around happy inseminated
person day. They they can't really think this is a
good idea, right, They can't really believe that we're gonna
let them get away with being so crazy and not
drag them all over the place for this.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, I think we have a cut on this. We'll
play in a sec.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But buck, this is where I think a lot of
younger women are going to decline to follow the Democrat
Party down this crazy rabbit hole of gender that they're
going because they're not as afraid about abortion related issues
as they might have been a couple of years ago
when Roe v. Wade got overturned. Because by and large,
(17:41):
states have made their own decisions, and we haven't seen
some crazy new world. But here was Jessica Tarlov, the
resident liberal on the five, talking about this specifically from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Listen, my experience as.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
A liberal who has been inseminated of fo times is
that you're just making up problems that don't exist, and
there are real problems out there. There are reasons that
we don't use slurs, or that we try not to
use slurs against certain groups. But I would doubt that
there are more than five people who have ever complained
(18:16):
about something like this.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Or that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I don't know the statistics on how.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Many trans men give birth per anim but I imagine
that it's pretty slim and that we would know about
it if there were more cases.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Uh, so this is all a smart take.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Also, Buck, I'll just say, inciminated person actually sounds super
misogyns Like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but it
sounds super misogynistic because you're only defining a woman by
something that a man did to her.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Am I crazy on this?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like that seems like, hey, you're basically a receptacle for
male activities. It doesn't seem very empowering for women to
refer to them as inciminated people, right, like inciminated person,
it actually feels really insulting.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Well, not to get too technical, but also just because
you're an inseminated person doesn't mean you're a mom.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's pretty technical. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, buddy,
for six.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Year olds out there burdens of these time buck sex
and just broke it all down.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So I didn't know that I was gonna step in
the front of that train that just happened.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Alright.
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Today, I got a couple of things I want to
hit you guys with because they are actually very positive
in nature.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
We are not talking enough. And I'll take the blame
partly for.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
This about one of the things that Donald Trump promised
he would do, and I mean media at large, not
just this show, that he promised he would do, and
he has essentially one hundred percent delivered on. This is
from the Washington Post.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
These numbers at the border are pretty unbelievable. There were
only fifteen thousand and seven hundred migrants encountered in the
entire thirty days the first month since Trump became president.
That's the lowest thirty day number on the border since
(21:15):
April of twenty seventeen. Remember, they have not yet passed
a bill. All Trump did was show up and sign
an executive order many of them, and boom, the border
is right back to being closed. Let me hit you
with this Encounters. This is according to the Washington Post,
(21:37):
So this is not the far right wing sourcing here.
This is the Washington Post. Encounters are down ninety four
percent from their high of two hundred and sixty three thousand,
nine hundred in December of twenty twenty three. They're down
ninety one percent for the average of the Biden calendar
(22:01):
four years, and they're down eighty percent from their average
of the last quarter century from two thousand to twenty
twenty four. Tom Homan Borders are will join us live
on the program tomorrow. But this was one of the
strongest promises that Donald Trump made on day one. I
(22:26):
will shut down our southern border. I will begin to
deport violent criminals. Promise made, promise kept. And you know,
the numbers are extraordinary because by and large, Buck, there's
zero discussion suddenly about the border. If Trump had fallen
apart on the border, they'd be talking about it a lot. Instead,
(22:46):
it's shut down on a level we've rarely seen in
the past twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
It also goes to show beyond any doubt that Democrats
were lying for a long time when they were saying
things like we need congressional action to do anything about this,
or when they tried to at the last minute, it
was so transparent, which is why the Republican in the
Senate who went along.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
With it was just a useful idiot.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
When they tried to pass that border security bill in
the election year, Oh yeahy, won't Republicans go with this
border security bill?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They must want more illegals.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
You know, this is the person who has burned your
house down, running up with a pail of water as
it's smoldering, saying I'm here to help. I mean, the
whole thing was absolutely absurd. This is a law enforcement issue,
which means it's really an executive branch issue, which means
it's really a political will issue. These individuals are in
(23:42):
the country in violation of existing congressional statutes. They are
entering the country in violation of existing congressionally passed statutes.
So what you need is people to enforce those laws
and make sure there are consequences as part of that enforcement,
in this case, sending you back to the country that
is your actual country, and you don't just get to
(24:02):
skip the line and go around all the legal immigrants
into American and decide you're going to stay here and
get access to all the benefits of being on American soil.
So Trump is doing a fantastic job with this so far.
But I think it does add to the sense of
it should add to the sense of outrage that people
(24:23):
have that we had to suffer through ten million illegals
pouring into the country under Biden, they wanted that to happen.
This is the key difference, right Clay. It's not that
this was oh, you know, we tried and they just overwhelmed.
Then we couldn't know. The Democrats pretended that they didn't
want this to happen, while they made sure that it
(24:46):
was happening and did nothing to stop it. In fact,
they enabled it. It was a policy decision that they made.
It was not a natural design, and it wasn't a
hurricane that they were unprepared for or something. It was
we are made this situation what it is, which is
a lawless mess and really a sellout of the American
(25:06):
people and American sovereignty.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And now this is one thing we're gonna keep pointing out.
Congress does need to act because we need to take
away the presidential authority that Biden took advantage of to
allow the southern border to be wide open again.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So in order to ensure hopefully.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
That this doesn't happen again, Congress needs to take an
action and this is part of the big beautiful bill
that hopefully would restrict the president's ability to act under
executive authority. But this is where Trump not only has
kept his promises, but he was accurate. He said, all
we have to do, and we'll talk about this with
Tom Homan tomorrow. All we have to do is re
(25:50):
implement the policies that we put in place last time,
and the southern border will cease being wide open for
the entire world. Trump did it. Thirty days boom, southern
border is shut. And in fact, based on these numbers,
I think there's a good chance that there are fewer
illegal immigrants in the country at all during the Trump
(26:13):
administration now than there was before. That is, we're not
allowing in a massive amount of illegals, and we're also
now sending violent illegals out. This may be the first
month since Joe Biden came into office where the number
of illegal immigrants in the United States has actually declined,
even if it's not as fast as people would want
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the positive trend lines have flipped.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I think that this is also part of a reorientation
of the thinking of the majority of the American people,
Like I can't speak to the insane, you know, I
can't speak to the people who are like, we need
to change the law for inseminated person instead of mom like,
we're never gonna you can't. You can't fix that, Okay,
(27:00):
But for we're at solid majority issues here. Sixty percent
of the American people approve of the deportations that Trump
is doing, six zero sixty percent. And I think if
they knew more details about who these people are and
what's really been going on, the number would be more
like seventy seventy five percent.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
And that now you're just getting to the hardcore open
borders left, right, twenty twenty five percent of the country
is nuts. We can't do anything about that. But really,
twenty percent of any country is going to be kind
of a little bit nutty on politics. I think that's
fair to say. And you know, I think there's a
just a contingent of any society. It's going to be
kind of crazy. But here's the thing, Clay, They're changing
(27:38):
our perception of what is possible. Yes, you know, yes
Trump has this win. But if Trump is doing this,
future administrations as well will have to contend with the
fact that if all of a sudden the border gets
kicked wide open again, they can't play the oh we're overwhelmed.
We just need more we just need more immigration judges.
(27:59):
We just need more order patrol to welcome people into
the country who have come here illegally. Right, that's changed
the same way that does and the budget stuff and
the government waste fraud and abuse cutting is changing our
perception of whether we can actually tackle government spending, government growth. Right,
you can't fix this all at once, but when you
(28:20):
can do something about it, you then have the proof
that you can do more going forward. So I think
that there's a mentality shift here that Trump is created
so much of.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
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my ted talk here, but is belief that you can
achieve success what is actually possible in all facets of life.
And I do think what Elon Musk has expanded, I
would say this is maybe his biggest achievement in general
as a capitalist buck. A lot of people thought he
(28:54):
was crazy when he said, hey, I'm going to do
electric vehicles. A lot of people thought he was crazy
when he said, Hey, I'm going to send rocket ships
to space better than NASA does it. A lot of
people thought he was crazy when he bought Twitter, when
he started Xai, and so far all of these decisions
that he has made appear to be working, not only working,
(29:18):
but occurring incredible in terms of their ability to alter
expectation and projection of what is even capable in the
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Speaker 4 (30:46):
Do we have Ruth Olly I'm forgetting if you confirmed
or not.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We're working on it.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
We may have our friend Chris Rufo joining talk about
what's going on inside of the intelligence community with this
leaked sort of I don't know if it's like it's
like a Slack channel, but it's not called that. It's
and I've been out for a while. I don't even
know what the instant messenger equivalent is called. Now they
you know, they probably change contractors every few years in
the federal government. I have no idea but saying some
(31:13):
crazy stuff of the activist LGBTQ I A plus plus variety.
I wonder how long we have to keep using that acronym.
The pronouns in the bios has gone away largely. Do
we have to keep saying LGBTQ I A plus plus.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't think we do. We can certainly just like
start to shorten it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I do think what you're talking about, We're gonna give
some more details. Top of the third hour. I looked
at some of these messages. I can't imagine sending them
in work conversation. This is not like a text message
with your friends. This is not a text message with
your buddies, like outside.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Of official servers in classified buildings of the federal government
on government huh, yes.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
And it's just I can't even describe Clay. I don't
even know.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
And I mean, I'm not trying to get back into
the uh, you know it seminated person discussion here. I
don't even know what some of the things are that
they are texting about. Yeah, on the thread, I truly
mean that they're they're describing things that are of a
kind of like a sexual nature. And I don't know
what it is that they're talking about. I just know
(32:25):
that it's not something you should be talking about at work.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I mean, and maybe this is because I don't
know that I've talked about this. I used to do
HR investigations as a warrior.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I would come in and just take a step back
for a second. It is hilarious that you used to
do hre mister first of Emden boobs, just like, excuse me, sir,
did you make an off color joke?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I used to I used to do HR investigations as
a warrior because I could do a investigation on behalf
of the company that was, as a general rule, considered
to be privileged because I was an attorney represent a company.
So the things that people put in email are usually
(33:06):
a huge part of any HR investigation. So what you
put in your work email is around forever. People tend
to think, oh, this is not but my advice to
you is in a work email, be careful. I looked
at this and I just couldn't imagine what it meant.
What it represented to me buck was and I think
we've seen this come true with the reaction to DOGE.
(33:30):
None of these government employees ever fear.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Losing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They felt so protected that they could basically do anything
at work and there were no consequences.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Can I tell you though, and this is from I've
been increasingly reaching out to for obvious reasons since the election.
Friends of mine and these agencies because one they know
that we know some of the people, we're friends with
some of the people that are running these places now
really almost all of them.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And I mean Tulci, Gabbert, the d and I.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You all know these people we text and invite on
the show and have been for years. Cash Betel at FBI.
You know, Bongino going to be deputy director of FBI,
and these are these are our people. And so people
that are others who are inside these agencies A right,
you know, what do you think of this person? And
is this you know, how are they going to approach this?
And Clay one part of this is there are there
(34:21):
are good people in these agencies, and maybe a lot
less than many of us have realized. Maybe it's you know,
twenty percent, maybe it's thirty percent. There are good people
though in all these agencies. I want to make that
pretty much all. I don't know about Department of Education,
I mean there's but FBI. I mean, there are good
people in these agencies. The percentages we still have to
figure that out. But they to what you're saying about
(34:42):
how they never fear firing for being bad at their jobs, know,
for saying something that offends the woke gods for saying
something that is not DEI approved. Oh, you could get
in a lot of trouble for that, and that now
finally may be changing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We'll talk about We'll see if we get rufo on,
but we'll talk about how crazy this is in general.
Caroline Levitt is giving a press conference right now, Buck,
I also sent in some clips from her in this
third hour. There's going to be a major fit throne
because she is saying, instead of the White House Correspondence
Association controlling who gets access to ask questions, the Trump
(35:25):
white House now is going to make more and more
decisions about who has access to the briefings.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
This is going to turn into a big deal. I'm
just telling all of you. The AP has already.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Filed a lawsuit saying their First Amendment rights are being
restricted by not being granted access. Let me tell you something,
that argument is not going to win. Because I went
through a lot of this when I started out kick
We mentioned this a little bit, Buck, I had to
fight really hard to get access to public events, the conferences,
(35:57):
the leagues. They have a lot of troll over who
can sit in their press boxes and who can come
to their press conferences. Clay, this is true throughout so
much of the government, and I think it's it's interesting
that now Democrats have a problem with this. When Trump
was in office, and this is when I made three
of my three of my visits to the border and
different places, it was border patrol. What do you want
(36:20):
to see? What transparency do you need? Who can we
have you talk to? We'll do We'll do anything that
helps you get the truth about the border out to
the American people.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Biden comes into office and my contacts down there, with
the exception of border patrol Union, but contacts are like, look,
we can't talk to you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What do you mean you can't. I'm an American, I'm
in media. We can't. Now they'll talk to you offline.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
But I'm saying, officially speaking, all of a sudden, everyone
scared for their jobs. So yeah, why should why should
regime media of the Biden era be given preference over
media that, by the way, has bigger audiences on the
right in general. Anyway, in what world should CNN get
preference over you know, Daily Caller.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't see why that should be the case.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I agree, and I expect that it's going to turn
into a big battle again. There's a difference between not
giving full access and restricting what somebody can say. Government
obviously shouldn't be in the business of restricting what someone
can say, but they can totally decide who gets to
(37:27):
get on Air Force one, who gets to be in
a press briefing, and that is a battle that media
has been fighting for all time. Who gets access, who's
able to ask questions that isn't that's a privilege, that's
not something associated with the First Amendment. And the AP
just got slapped down even by left wing judges over this,
(37:48):
so that's going to continue to be an issue. We'll
play some audio of Caroline Levitt laying it out all
that more last hour, playing Buck next, Keep Hanging.
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