May 27, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged discussion centered on the long-term consequences of COVID-19 policies, the erosion of trust in public health institutions, and the ongoing controversy surrounding transgender athletes in women’s sports. Clay Travis, hosting solo, opens the hour by reacting to breaking news that the COVID-19 vaccine has been removed from the recommended list for children and pregnant women—a decision that sparks a broader conversation about government overreach, vaccine mandates, and the psychological toll of pandemic-era restrictions. Clay is joined by former NCAA swimmer and women’s sports advocate Riley Gaines, who shares her personal experiences with COVID-era mandates while competing at the University of Kentucky. Gaines recounts the extreme and often illogical protocols athletes endured, including wearing masks between swim laps and facing pressure to get vaccinated despite natural immunity. She reflects on the broader impact of school closures and social isolation on young people, emphasizing how these policies robbed students of formative life experiences. The conversation shifts to the ongoing debate over biological males competing in women’s sports. Gaines and Travis discuss recent incidents, including a viral protest by a female athlete in California and former President Donald Trump’s public condemnation of transgender participation in women’s competitions. Gaines criticizes the Democratic Party’s unwavering support for these policies and highlights the bravery of young women standing up for fairness in sports. She also addresses personal attacks from media figures like Jemele Hill and Keith Olbermann, reinforcing her commitment to advocating for women’s rights and equal opportunities. Later in the hour, Clay welcomes newly appointed FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary, who, alongside Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and RFK Jr., announced the removal of the COVID shot recommendation for healthy children and pregnant women. Dr. Makary explains the need to restore scientific integrity and transparency in public health, criticizing the previous administration’s reliance on unproven theories and lack of clinical trial data. He emphasizes the importance of rebuilding trust by focusing on chronic disease prevention, food quality, and environmental health. Dr. Makary also reflects on the failures of school closures, the disproportionate impact on low-income and minority communities, and the long-term mental health consequences for children. He calls for a renewed commitment to evidence-based medicine and civil discourse, warning against the dangers of censorship and politicization in science. This hour is a must-listen for anyone seeking insight into the post-COVID reckoning, the fight for fairness in women’s sports, and the future of public health policy in America. With high-profile guests, bold commentary, and a focus on truth and accountability, Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers compelling content that resonates with a wide audience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Ooh, Welcome in hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck Knock feeling well, he'll be
back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on
the Tuesday after a Memorial Day weekend, and we have
been breaking down a lot. If you missed it earlier today,
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the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot
list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you
out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that
you never got any of the COVID shots for your
kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of
where you were going to school or where you worked,
that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your
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school eligibility, you had to get a shot. And we
bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to
dive into with her. But Riley, let me take you
back in time with COVID for a minute before we
get into the craziness of the sports universe in terms
of men competing as women. You guys, you were a
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University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember
about what you guys had to do during COVID, because
I think a lot of this is just getting totally
memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to
wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What
was it like even at UK?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know, saying it out loud, now you almost forget
you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness
of it. COVID hit, of course, in March of twenty twenty,
which was the end of my sophomore year. Bar the
fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which,
of course is the meat you work oh year, So
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it's the meat you work all your life. For about
three days before we were supposed to leave, that meat
was very suddenly and swiftly canceled. We were sent home
for a few months. We eventually got to come back
to school, and upon returning, of course, it was the
immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean,
they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They
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told us me specifically, being that I was the team captain.
They told me I had to get the vaccine or
else I'd be hurting my team. But of course this
didn't sit right with me, right being young, being healthy,
I had already had COVID at that point, which, being
a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the
most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed
back on this and I said, no, I don't, to
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which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me?
And that is when they lost the plot. It was
almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say.
They weren't given a script of what to say when
asked this question, and so that's when they responded back, well,
we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well you
can take that and shove it, because I'm not getting
the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest
of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year,
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all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me.
I had to go to testing every single week. They
made it at five am. To make it what they
described as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a
mask in the weight room. We did have to wear
a mask in between laps when we got out of
the water on the pool deck. I mean we essentially
waterboarded ourselves every single day for the next two years.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You had to wear masks between laps in the pool.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, they tried everything. I mean, they thought of things like, well,
we'll have some people start on one of the end
of the pool, We'll have other people start on the
other end of the pool, will alternate lanes. I mean,
like I said, none of it made sense. Again, and
we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine, right, which is
going to kill any sort of you know, germ or
whatever it is. So all of it, from top to
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bottom was utterly ridiculous, and we all recognize it to
be true. But I will say people got the vaccine
out of convenience to make it easier for them to
be able to compete. I remember they sat me down
and they said, Riley, you know again, you're the team captain.
We have a big meat against University of Alabama, a
(04:00):
big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go
if you don't get the vaccines, to which again I
just I knew that was BS and so I said,
that's fine, I won't go then, And of course I
got to go to University of Alabama, and no, I
never got the vaccine, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I bet you're glad that you did. And let me
let me kind of build on this too, so many
young people. I think I started off the program talking
about the lies that were told about COVID, and I
think certainly the lies that were told about Biden. But
you mentioned something that I think is important. I know
there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids'
grandkids may have happen to you out there listening as well.
(04:38):
I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally.
You were around twenty, right in March of twenty twenty
when all this chaos started. Roughly, that's right, that's right.
Can you imagine if you had been sixteen instead, because
it sucked for you at twenty, but imagine that it
is March of twenty twenty. You are gearing up for
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whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country. Right now,
you're gearing up for your junior year prompt in prom season.
All that sixteen seventeen eighteen. I talk now to kids
on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do too.
In many parts of the country, these kids went home
in March of twenty twenty, as sixteen year olds, and
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they basically didn't see the kids they went to high
school with in a big group again in many parts
of the country until they graduated and the next year
in June of whatever it would have been twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two some of these places. So you miss
your junior year, end of year, You miss everything that
happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening,
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think about how transformative usually you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year
old era is. It is not surprising to me that
there are so many kids out there that are angry
about what was taken from them. You're close to that
same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do
you hear that from kids today?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I hear that all the time, not only from my peers,
from my friends, from people I had classes with, but Clay,
I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My
brother was about that sixteen year old age group during
the time of COVID in twenty twenty and he was
in the middle of its football season. They were on
pace to be state champions. He went to Donaldson Christian
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Academy that all of that was taken from them. My
little sister, she was in middle school transitioning to high school.
I mean, it was horrible. My oldest sister, she graduated
college from Ole Miss in twenty twenty, so they had
this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage,
so they called it virtually where everyone sat on zoom.
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It was the craziest thing. And even now, again, let's
say four years post COVID era, the way the educational
realm has changed is I mean transformative. It is totally different.
My sister's high schoo experience again, she'll be a junior
next year in high school. Her experience now is totally
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different than when I was in high school. Granted now
it's getting kind of up there, what eight or so
years ago, but even still totally totally different experience than
my younger sister has had compared to the experience that
I had in high school.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly
broke in the direction of Trump in twenty twenty four.
Young men in particular. You mentioned you have a brother.
I've got three teenage boy, two teenage boys, one ten
year old. But I see it from all of them
that they're just fed up. They're angry, and I think
it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told.
(07:42):
And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent
out a truth post and said California, under the leadership
of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow
men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition
male athlete at a major event one everything now qualified
to compete in the state finals next weekend as a male.
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He was less than an average competitor as a female.
This transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair,
totally demeaning to women and girls. He then calls out
the governor Newsom, who has said is unfair. He says,
I will speak with him today to find out which
way he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering
local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person
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to compete at the state finals. This is a totally
ridiculous situation. Can you believe years after you swam against
Leah Thomas, now what three years ago, if I remember correctly,
that we are still in a position where, if anything,
Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
What, Clay, I truthfully imagined. I knew this, of course
would be an election issue, it would get us through
November of twenty twenty four. But I really believed that,
of course we would see this red wave, which we saw,
and I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin
to can't to distance themselves from their voting records, from
their positions. They've taken on totally outlandish, crazy stuff such
(09:07):
as men and women's sports, but that is not at
all what they have done. They have double, tripled, quadrupled
down on this insanity. Now. I love how Trump words that.
He is still plain in his language, of course, which
is another reason why I think specifically young people love him,
are drawn to him. He's so authentic. He says, as
a male, he was less than an average competitor, And
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that's so true. That is virtually the case in every scenario,
every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening, we
don't see it going the other way. It is virtually
always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in
their own division, or maybe ranking in the bottom of
the barrel. Right, they switch over to the women's league,
and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that system
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may be at the state level in case and what
he's describing here in California, this boy by the name
of a Hernandez. Maybe I'm sure you remember Clay. About
a week or so ago, a video went viral of
this young girl who placed second at California her name
is Rhys Hogan in the triple jump. But it was
only after everyone exited the podium, with the man, of course,
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standing atop the podium where she jumps on the first
place podium. And I thought that was the most remarkably
brave display that really we've seen thus far. I mean,
we've seen some pretty awesome things, right Like I think
of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who
boycotted and shot put, which al Kick was the first
to report on. By the way, I think of several
(10:39):
instances of girls boycotting, But this, I thought was really
the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man
atop the podium was a total fraud and everyone recognizes it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You got into it with Jammel Hill a little bit
over the weekend. Jammel Hill is a crazy person who
used to work at ESPN. She kind of the female
version maybe of Keith Olberman, who you've also gotten into
it over with I just three years ago. If only
women had swim in your NCAA championship, where do you
think you'd be?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, my plan what I was post graduating from University
of Kentucky. I was in dental school, actually set to
specialize in indodonics, so root canals. Basically, that's what I
had planned. That's what I was set to do. That's
what I prepared to do. I scored in the top
percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test,
the test to get into dental school. I had been
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awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to
continue my education in dentistry. So that was certainly the plan.
I had married my husband. Our life would look a
whole lot different had that man that's six foot four again,
as President Trump wards, that mediocre men not been in
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the pool with us, in the locker room with us
that day.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I think this, this is so, this is so
important because you get attacked I think unfairly, and I'm
sure on a level that you never would have ever
anticipated for just being a woman who believes women's sports
should be made up of women. And I love when
I see your tweets JK. Rowling just fearlessness, because this
is not a complicated issue. But the only reason you
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have ended up doing what you are doing is because
one you're fearless, but two you dealt with this directly
and you never want any other girls or women to
ever have to deal with this either, and yet you
get attacked for that. I just think it's really important
to hammer home that's it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's it, the stance that I've taken. Of course, I've
been painted to be this super radical, crazy right wing christer,
as Jamel Hill would call it, But I mean I
still live my daily life like with my husband, with
my family, with my animals and my dogs, we live
on a flower farm, like I'm still me. The only
I guess radical position that I've taken is that men
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cannot become women, and that there are two sexes and
that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, of privacy
and of safety. But several times now, of course, yuh,
he's overman. I genuinely think this man is like needs
to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's
stable like we should be doing like welfare checks on
him every I agree on November fifth. But you've got
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Jamel Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now
over the past few years that I need to thank
Leah Thomas every single day of the rest of my
life for getting me famous. Again, reminder, I did not
ask for this. I did not want this. I simply
took a position that ninety nine one percent really of
common sense people have taken. And I would say ninety
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to ninety five percent of every day common sense Americans
who I mean, it's a position they take too, but
they just weren't willing to say it three years ago.
Now you compare that to twenty twenty five, and the
landscape has shifted, right, people of course, becoming more bold,
more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true.
And with that the response that we see from the left,
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from the other side, people who don't have common sense,
people who vehemently hate women, people like Jammel Hill, former
ESPN hosts. Of course, that is to increase as well.
So I say, bring it on. You know, lots of
things that bother me, that scare me. But Jammel Hill
and her professional race bidding, certainly is it one of them.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I love the easy question of and I've used this
and I think it just really I would encourage you
guys to deploy it in your own life. People attack
you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think
men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's
my opinion, that's your opinion, that's the opinion of a
lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't
it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left
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attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the
issue is, of course.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And it's because I believe deep down they don't think
it's either right, these democrats, whether it's it's these elected officials,
people in Congress, whether it is people like Jammel Hill,
these especially actually people like Jammel Hill. Sports reporters who Underston,
who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports
for decades, for years. Of course, they don't believe that
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men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities.
Of course they don't believe that. But for some reason,
it has just been this Hill that they are willing
to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling.
I don't know if it's the fear of the raft
from the other side. I don't know if they're they're
so bought into like this oppression Olympics that they that
(15:43):
they're willing to proclaim it subtly right. But you're right
people like Jammel Hill. I asked her the other day,
you know, great to hear from you. This is the
stance that I've taken. Would love an answer from you.
You know, you're a self proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How
do you feel about men competing in women's sports? And
I followed it up by saying, silence is an answer
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to which, of course, she did not answer the question,
so that makes it very clear to me where she
stands on this.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Riley, Happy, belated Memorial Day weekend, Keep up the fight
and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out
there to follow Riley. You can see her shows many
different places, including OutKick see here on Fox News all
over the place. Riley, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And you and by the way, congratulations on your book.
Super awesome endorsement. Very very excited for you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Thank you. That is Riley Gaines. Encourage you to follow her.
We'll share all the contact if you're not already following her.
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a major announcement breaking down the absolute latest on the
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COVID shot. Doctor Marty McCarey, FDA Commissioner. He's author of
blind Spots, When Medicine gets it Wrong and what it
means for our health. We had him on this program
quite a lot during the COVID era. He is fantastic. Congrats.
I don't remember if we've had you on since you
were officially confirmed, but congrats on becoming FDA commissioner, doctor McCarey.
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And what can you tell us about what you guys
just announced this morning? We played the audio, but what
exactly should people out there know about kids and pregnant
women when it comes to the COVID shot.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good
to be back on your show.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and
common sense. And we've got a dilemma in this country,
and that is the government keeps pushing every year that
every healthy young world needs a shot every year for
the rest of their life. And the regulatory process has
been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical
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data needs to be submitted each year for the actiator
rubber stamped these COVID shots for young, healthy people, and
so we're bringing back science to the process. We are
saying that in order for this shot to be approved
by the FDA in healthy people, we need to see
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some clinical trial data to support that it works and
that it's safe and effective. We can't just blindly rubber
stamp these applications each year in perpetuity.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Forever there was a theory.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
That people could benefit from these shots each year, the
theory is unproven. We'd like to see some scientific support.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things
like our patients is wearing thin and that we were
going to have a winter of death, will there ever
really be any consequences. I know Joe Biden's no longer president,
but for people out there who felt pressured because of
the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it.
(21:13):
I know probably you still are. I know a lot
of our audiences. Is this to you. The things that
are happening now a form of sort of resolution and
restitution for people out there who feel like they were
led astray.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been
lied to about some of the issues around COVID and
the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids
who are completely healthy. And so when you look at
what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living
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on an island disconnected from most of the American public.
You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to
that disconnect, like eighty five percent of healthcare workers did
not get the COVID booster last season.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So on one.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and
insisting that everybody gets a booster every year for the
rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy, and
a public that has basically moved on and said, no,
thank you, we don't really.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Trust you as much anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've
really gone down the toilet. The amount of the percent
of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from seventy
one percent just before COVID to forty percent last year.
That's a gigantic thirty one point drop. And it's because
the worst thing you can do in the field of
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medicine is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism
when the data just is not there to support it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's an idea, it's a theory.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm so glad that you have the role they you
do now because you were right on so much and
you were willing to take the slings and arrows that
came with it. So was doctor bardacharias so was RFK Junior.
I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial Board,
to Buck's Show, to this show for places out there
that we're willing to have these conversations. How much personal
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validation now do you take for something that I'm sure
when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you unrelenting
criticism to be in the position that you are in
now alongside of doctor Bodicharia, who was very outspoken at
Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of
personal consequences, and certainly RFK Junior, now the three of
you who made this announcement today, how much personal vindication
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do you feel and how much do you think you're
vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas people like the
whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's
the very basis of science itself. This world that we
ended up in where I'm the expert. You aren't allowed
to challenge doctor. You're saying I am the science. It's
actually the antithesis of everything that science, in many ways
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should represent.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians
from respective academic institutions that simply disagreed with doctor Fauci
or asked questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations.
That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and
I hope we never go back there. We're doing a
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lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I hope we can rebuild.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
On ideas. At the FDA, we're doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas
to debate how we can do things differently, how we
can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink
our food supply.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But to some.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
We lost in some of the.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Battles that we fought during COVID. In the Biden administration,
we fought like crazy to get the schools back open,
and it was very divided. It was very polarizing and
for some crazy reason that fell along partisan lines.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And we fought like crazy for the kids, and for
the most part, we were not able to get the
schools back open during most of that, you know, after
the fall of twenty twenty, for the next for almost
a year after that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
So it's a sad chapter.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know, kids are still reeling back and they're trying
to recover. We have to, you know, almost rescue these
kids now and give them special attention because of the
learning loss. And I think the greatest untold story of
the COVID battles was that the populations hurt the worst
were the poor and minority communities in the United States.
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I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins and an
East bolts More. I mean, you close those schools and
send the kids.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Home with an iPad.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy,
and those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided
COVID policies. So we're trying to rebuild public trust. Secretary
Kennedy's got a great vision. Jay Bodichari is doing it.
Amendment OZ is a trans transformational leader at CMS, and
we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus
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on our mission of delivering more cures for the American
public and healthier food for children.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What do you think, having been through these battles, you
just hammered And I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly,
is the fact that the poorest among us the public
school kids. I was public school kid K twelve. A
lot of them left and didn't come back to school
for over a year. In physical person, these are the
kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors,
(26:49):
don't have the ability to go to private school like
Gavin Newsom's kids do. When you hear Randy Weingarten now
say that she was working super hard to try to
reopen schools, what's your reaction.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the
CDC to make it stricter, and those edits were incorporated
in the final version that was published by the Biden
administration and the CDC. And that was tragic because you
did not have a scientific document. You had a document
(27:21):
that was interfered with by a special interest group at
the expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons
we should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest
lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and
do their job.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
The announcement again today. You came on this show for years,
and I want to give you credit. I mean, my
two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get
the COVID shot based on the data, and we talked
a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it
was going to have. It's been five years and I
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know for many people out there it feel still like
the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public
trust in health to return to where it was pre COVID.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think we have to be successful as a new
team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent.
I think we have to address the big issues of
our day that we are not talking about. You know,
COVID was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling
class in America create rules for themselves that benefit it themselves.
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They could send their kids to private schools, The country
clubs were booming throughout COVID.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
They for a lot of the zoomocracy in America.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
They were going to work now and their pajamas on
video conferencing come to Inner City Baltimore. It was an
entirely different story, and you saw sort of the tyranny
of the ruling class right rules for themselves. And it's
not just with COVID, it is also with the great
(29:02):
public health issues of our day. Why do forty percent
of American kids have a chronic disease? If you think
about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this
weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick.
We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of
healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that
(29:26):
are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report
that came out a week ago. That is a fresh
new perspective because we can't just keep talking about financing
our broken healthcare system. We have to talk about fixing it,
and to fix it, we have to get at these
root causes. So we're changing the conversation from just talking
about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures
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and the food we eat and school lunch programs. You're
seeing action on the snap waivers by the USDA so
that the government dollars aren't going to all this sugary
junk food. In the SNAP program, you're seeing some movement
we've never seen before. So to rebuild public trust, in
my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at
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actually making progress on improving the health of the population
by addressing these root causes.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Last question for you, when you are out traveling and
we're talking doctor Martin McCarey, the FDA commissioner. His book
is I want to make sure that I get this right.
The most recent book is Ali texts me that again,
I'll get it before we leave blind spots. When you
still see people wearing masks going on airplanes, when you
(30:43):
still see kids, sometimes I can't believe this is happening,
still wearing masks. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Well, part of me thinks, I don't know what their
personal clinical situation is. But the other part of me
thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy,
who has been misled and given a false sense of
security that if they do this one mitigation step, that
somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world.
(31:11):
Which remember, for a lot of COVID there was actually
this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that
we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody,
I think, I don't blame them, I blame the people
who have given them the impression that if you wear
a mask in public every day for the rest of
your life, as a young, healthy person, you're going to
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somehow live a healthier, greater life.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Kids have been had their face covered.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
For nearly three years over some of this dogma in
parts of the country, and the kids are sad.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I mean the kids. There's one in.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Four teen girls is being treated for depression. And so
there are statistics that tell us we've got to not
just have a myopic myopic folk folks on viral transmission
of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Living, beautiful, as human being. And that's where I hope
we can go.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Doctor Marty McCarey. Congratulations FDA Commissioner. The book Blind Spots,
When Medicine gets it wrong and what it means for
our health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID,
and thank you for fighting so hard for a still
big announcement today. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Thanks Kay doctor Marty McCay one of the heroes, along
with doctor Bodicharia. I hope that when history is written
of the COVID era, that guys like him, and guys
like doctor Bodicharia and many others who were willing to
speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti science,
that their stories are a true story of heroism in
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what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Mike, Hey Clay, he told me to jump right in.
So the COVID mask is nothing but virtue signaling. It
is the red maga hat of the left.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I agree with you, thank you for the call. In
many ways, here's where I actually feel sad for those people.
I don't feel sad if somebody's got a kid with
making a political slogan on them or whatever. I feel
really bad when I see people with kids traveling, and
unfortunately I still see it in masks because I think
to myself, that poor kid, I mean, their parent has
(35:57):
no idea what's going on. They think that they are
listening to the experts, and really one of the most
important things that young kids can do is see mouths move.
When it comes to learning how to speak, they're huge
speech impediment issues that have become rampant. Melissa in San Antonio,
got to get you in quick here.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yes, there's so much investigation going on on both sides,
But at what point do we finally go you know what,
nobody's going to be held accountable, nothing's going to be done. Yes,
you can deal with it at the ballot box. But
if it applies to me and I would go.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
To jail, why aren't other.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
People going to jail?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Great question. We've talked about that with Rand Paul will
continue to talk about it with him. He says, Fauci
is going to be held accountable in some way. Talk
about that more when we come back.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Ooh, Welcome in hour number two Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck Knock feeling well, he'll be
back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on
the Tuesday after a Memorial Day weekend, and we have
been breaking down a lot. If you missed it earlier today,
(00:23):
the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot
list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you
out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that
you never got any of the COVID shots for your
kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of
where you were going to school or where you worked,
that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your
(00:46):
school eligibility, you had to get a shot. And we
bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to
dive into with her. But Riley, let me take you
back in time with COVID for a minute before we
get into the craziness of the sports universe in terms
of men competing as women. You guys, you were a
(01:06):
University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember
about what you guys had to do during COVID, because
I think a lot of this is just getting totally
memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to
wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What
was it like even at UK?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You know, saying it out loud, now you almost forget
you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness
of it. COVID hit, of course, in March of twenty twenty,
which was the end of my sophomore year. Bar the
fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which,
of course is the meat you work oh year, So
(01:47):
it's the meat you work all your life. For about
three days before we were supposed to leave, that meat
was very suddenly and swiftly canceled. We were sent home
for a few months. We eventually got to come back
to school, and upon returning, of course, it was the
immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean,
they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They
(02:07):
told us me specifically, being that I was the team captain.
They told me I had to get the vaccine or
else I'd be hurting my team. But of course this
didn't sit right with me, right being young, being healthy,
I had already had COVID at that point, which, being
a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the
most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed
back on this and I said, no, I don't, to
(02:30):
which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me?
And that is when they lost the plot. It was
almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say.
They weren't given a script of what to say when
asked this question, and so that's when they responded back, well,
we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well you
can take that and shove it, because I'm not getting
the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest
of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year,
(02:52):
all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me.
I had to go to testing every single week. They
made it at five am. To make it what they
described as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a
mask in the weight room. We did have to wear
a mask in between laps when we got out of
the water on the pool deck. I mean we essentially
waterboarded ourselves every single day for the next two years.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You had to wear masks between laps in the pool.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, they tried everything. I mean, they thought of things like, well,
we'll have some people start on one of the end
of the pool, We'll have other people start on the
other end of the pool, will alternate lanes. I mean,
like I said, none of it made sense. Again, and
we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine, right, which is
going to kill any sort of you know, germ or
whatever it is. So all of it, from top to
(03:39):
bottom was utterly ridiculous, and we all recognize it to
be true. But I will say people got the vaccine
out of convenience to make it easier for them to
be able to compete. I remember they sat me down
and they said, Riley, you know again, you're the team captain.
We have a big meat against University of Alabama, a
(04:00):
big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go
if you don't get the vaccines, to which again I
just I knew that was BS and so I said,
that's fine, I won't go then, And of course I
got to go to University of Alabama, and no, I
never got the vaccine, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I bet you're glad that you did. And let me
let me kind of build on this too, so many
young people. I think I started off the program talking
about the lies that were told about COVID, and I
think certainly the lies that were told about Biden. But
you mentioned something that I think is important. I know
there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids'
grandkids may have happen to you out there listening as well.
(04:38):
I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally.
You were around twenty, right in March of twenty twenty
when all this chaos started. Roughly, that's right, that's right.
Can you imagine if you had been sixteen instead, because
it sucked for you at twenty, but imagine that it
is March of twenty twenty. You are gearing up for
(04:59):
whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country. Right now,
you're gearing up for your junior year prompt in prom season.
All that sixteen seventeen eighteen. I talk now to kids
on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do too.
In many parts of the country, these kids went home
in March of twenty twenty, as sixteen year olds, and
(05:21):
they basically didn't see the kids they went to high
school with in a big group again in many parts
of the country until they graduated and the next year
in June of whatever it would have been twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two some of these places. So you miss
your junior year, end of year, You miss everything that
happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening,
(05:44):
think about how transformative usually you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year
old era is. It is not surprising to me that
there are so many kids out there that are angry
about what was taken from them. You're close to that
same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do
you hear that from kids today?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I hear that all the time, not only from my peers,
from my friends, from people I had classes with, but Clay,
I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My
brother was about that sixteen year old age group during
the time of COVID in twenty twenty and he was
in the middle of its football season. They were on
pace to be state champions. He went to Donaldson Christian
(06:24):
Academy that all of that was taken from them. My
little sister, she was in middle school transitioning to high school.
I mean, it was horrible. My oldest sister, she graduated
college from Ole Miss in twenty twenty, so they had
this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage,
so they called it virtually where everyone sat on zoom.
(06:46):
It was the craziest thing. And even now, again, let's
say four years post COVID era, the way the educational
realm has changed is I mean transformative. It is totally different.
My sister's high schoo experience again, she'll be a junior
next year in high school. Her experience now is totally
(07:06):
different than when I was in high school. Granted now
it's getting kind of up there, what eight or so
years ago, but even still totally totally different experience than
my younger sister has had compared to the experience that
I had in high school.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly
broke in the direction of Trump in twenty twenty four.
Young men in particular. You mentioned you have a brother.
I've got three teenage boy, two teenage boys, one ten
year old. But I see it from all of them
that they're just fed up. They're angry, and I think
it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told.
(07:42):
And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent
out a truth post and said California, under the leadership
of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow
men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition
male athlete at a major event one everything now qualified
to compete in the state finals next weekend as a male.
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He was less than an average competitor as a female.
This transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair,
totally demeaning to women and girls. He then calls out
the governor Newsom, who has said is unfair. He says,
I will speak with him today to find out which
way he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering
local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person
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to compete at the state finals. This is a totally
ridiculous situation. Can you believe years after you swam against
Leah Thomas, now what three years ago, if I remember correctly,
that we are still in a position where, if anything,
Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
What, Clay, I truthfully imagined. I knew this, of course
would be an election issue, it would get us through
November of twenty twenty four. But I really believed that,
of course we would see this red wave, which we saw,
and I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin
to can't to distance themselves from their voting records, from
their positions. They've taken on totally outlandish, crazy stuff such
(09:07):
as men and women's sports, but that is not at
all what they have done. They have double, tripled, quadrupled
down on this insanity. Now. I love how Trump words that.
He is still plain in his language, of course, which
is another reason why I think specifically young people love him,
are drawn to him. He's so authentic. He says, as
a male, he was less than an average competitor, And
(09:29):
that's so true. That is virtually the case in every scenario,
every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening, we
don't see it going the other way. It is virtually
always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in
their own division, or maybe ranking in the bottom of
the barrel. Right, they switch over to the women's league,
and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that system
(09:55):
may be at the state level in case and what
he's describing here in California, this boy by the name
of a Hernandez. Maybe I'm sure you remember Clay. About
a week or so ago, a video went viral of
this young girl who placed second at California her name
is Rhys Hogan in the triple jump. But it was
only after everyone exited the podium, with the man, of course,
(10:17):
standing atop the podium where she jumps on the first
place podium. And I thought that was the most remarkably
brave display that really we've seen thus far. I mean,
we've seen some pretty awesome things, right Like I think
of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who
boycotted and shot put, which al Kick was the first
to report on. By the way, I think of several
(10:39):
instances of girls boycotting, But this, I thought was really
the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man
atop the podium was a total fraud and everyone recognizes it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You got into it with Jammel Hill a little bit
over the weekend. Jammel Hill is a crazy person who
used to work at ESPN. She kind of the female
version maybe of Keith Olberman, who you've also gotten into
it over with I just three years ago. If only
women had swim in your NCAA championship, where do you
think you'd be?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, my plan what I was post graduating from University
of Kentucky. I was in dental school, actually set to
specialize in indodonics, so root canals. Basically, that's what I
had planned. That's what I was set to do. That's
what I prepared to do. I scored in the top
percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test,
the test to get into dental school. I had been
(11:33):
awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to
continue my education in dentistry. So that was certainly the plan.
I had married my husband. Our life would look a
whole lot different had that man that's six foot four again,
as President Trump wards, that mediocre men not been in
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the pool with us, in the locker room with us
that day.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So I think this, this is so, this is so
important because you get attacked I think unfairly, and I'm
sure on a level that you never would have ever
anticipated for just being a woman who believes women's sports
should be made up of women. And I love when
I see your tweets JK. Rowling just fearlessness, because this
is not a complicated issue. But the only reason you
(12:21):
have ended up doing what you are doing is because
one you're fearless, but two you dealt with this directly
and you never want any other girls or women to
ever have to deal with this either, and yet you
get attacked for that. I just think it's really important
to hammer home that's it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's it, the stance that I've taken. Of course, I've
been painted to be this super radical, crazy right wing christer,
as Jamel Hill would call it, But I mean I
still live my daily life like with my husband, with
my family, with my animals and my dogs, we live
on a flower farm, like I'm still me. The only
I guess radical position that I've taken is that men
(13:03):
cannot become women, and that there are two sexes and
that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, of privacy
and of safety. But several times now, of course, yuh,
he's overman. I genuinely think this man is like needs
to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's
stable like we should be doing like welfare checks on
him every I agree on November fifth. But you've got
(13:24):
Jamel Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now
over the past few years that I need to thank
Leah Thomas every single day of the rest of my
life for getting me famous. Again, reminder, I did not
ask for this. I did not want this. I simply
took a position that ninety nine one percent really of
common sense people have taken. And I would say ninety
(13:46):
to ninety five percent of every day common sense Americans
who I mean, it's a position they take too, but
they just weren't willing to say it three years ago.
Now you compare that to twenty twenty five, and the
landscape has shifted, right, people of course, becoming more bold,
more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true.
And with that the response that we see from the left,
(14:09):
from the other side, people who don't have common sense,
people who vehemently hate women, people like Jammel Hill, former
ESPN hosts. Of course, that is to increase as well.
So I say, bring it on. You know, lots of
things that bother me, that scare me. But Jammel Hill
and her professional race bidding, certainly is it one of them.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I love the easy question of and I've used this
and I think it just really I would encourage you
guys to deploy it in your own life. People attack
you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think
men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's
my opinion, that's your opinion, that's the opinion of a
lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't
it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left
(14:52):
attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the
issue is, of course.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And it's because I believe deep down they don't think
it's either right, these democrats, whether it's it's these elected officials,
people in Congress, whether it is people like Jammel Hill,
these especially actually people like Jammel Hill. Sports reporters who Underston,
who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports
for decades, for years. Of course, they don't believe that
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men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities.
Of course they don't believe that. But for some reason,
it has just been this Hill that they are willing
to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling.
I don't know if it's the fear of the raft
from the other side. I don't know if they're they're
so bought into like this oppression Olympics that they that
(15:43):
they're willing to proclaim it subtly right. But you're right
people like Jammel Hill. I asked her the other day,
you know, great to hear from you. This is the
stance that I've taken. Would love an answer from you.
You know, you're a self proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How
do you feel about men competing in women's sports? And
I followed it up by saying, silence is an answer
(16:04):
to which, of course, she did not answer the question,
so that makes it very clear to me where she
stands on this.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Riley, Happy, belated Memorial Day weekend, Keep up the fight
and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out
there to follow Riley. You can see her shows many
different places, including OutKick see here on Fox News all
over the place. Riley, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And you and by the way, congratulations on your book.
Super awesome endorsement. Very very excited for you.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Thank you. That is Riley Gaines. Encourage you to follow her.
We'll share all the contact if you're not already following her.
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who had a major announcement part of it that had
a major announcement breaking down the absolute latest on the
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COVID shot. Doctor Marty McCarey, FDA Commissioner. He's author of
blind Spots, When Medicine gets it Wrong and what it
means for our health. We had him on this program
quite a lot during the COVID era. He is fantastic. Congrats.
I don't remember if we've had you on since you
were officially confirmed, but congrats on becoming FDA commissioner, doctor McCarey.
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And what can you tell us about what you guys
just announced this morning? We played the audio, but what
exactly should people out there know about kids and pregnant
women when it comes to the COVID shot.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good
to be back on your show.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and
common sense. And we've got a dilemma in this country,
and that is the government keeps pushing every year that
every healthy young world needs a shot every year for
the rest of their life. And the regulatory process has
been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical
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data needs to be submitted each year for the actiator
rubber stamped these COVID shots for young, healthy people, and
so we're bringing back science to the process. We are
saying that in order for this shot to be approved
by the FDA in healthy people, we need to see
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some clinical trial data to support that it works and
that it's safe and effective. We can't just blindly rubber
stamp these applications each year in perpetuity.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Forever there was a theory.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
That people could benefit from these shots each year, the
theory is unproven. We'd like to see some scientific support.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things
like our patients is wearing thin and that we were
going to have a winter of death, will there ever
really be any consequences. I know Joe Biden's no longer president,
but for people out there who felt pressured because of
the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it.
(21:13):
I know probably you still are. I know a lot
of our audiences. Is this to you. The things that
are happening now a form of sort of resolution and
restitution for people out there who feel like they were
led astray.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been
lied to about some of the issues around COVID and
the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids
who are completely healthy. And so when you look at
what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living
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on an island disconnected from most of the American public.
You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to
that disconnect, like eighty five percent of healthcare workers did
not get the COVID booster last season.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So on one.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and
insisting that everybody gets a booster every year for the
rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy, and
a public that has basically moved on and said, no,
thank you, we don't really.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Trust you as much anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've
really gone down the toilet. The amount of the percent
of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from seventy
one percent just before COVID to forty percent last year.
That's a gigantic thirty one point drop. And it's because
the worst thing you can do in the field of
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medicine is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism
when the data just is not there to support it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's an idea, it's a theory.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm so glad that you have the role they you
do now because you were right on so much and
you were willing to take the slings and arrows that
came with it. So was doctor bardacharias so was RFK Junior.
I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial Board,
to Buck's Show, to this show for places out there
that we're willing to have these conversations. How much personal
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validation now do you take for something that I'm sure
when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you unrelenting
criticism to be in the position that you are in
now alongside of doctor Bodicharia, who was very outspoken at
Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of
personal consequences, and certainly RFK Junior, now the three of
you who made this announcement today, how much personal vindication
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do you feel and how much do you think you're
vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas people like the
whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's
the very basis of science itself. This world that we
ended up in where I'm the expert. You aren't allowed
to challenge doctor. You're saying I am the science. It's
actually the antithesis of everything that science, in many ways
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should represent.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians
from respective academic institutions that simply disagreed with doctor Fauci
or asked questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations.
That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and
I hope we never go back there. We're doing a
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lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I hope we can rebuild.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
On ideas. At the FDA, we're doing a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas
to debate how we can do things differently, how we
can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink
our food supply.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
But to some.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
We lost in some of the.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Battles that we fought during COVID. In the Biden administration,
we fought like crazy to get the schools back open,
and it was very divided. It was very polarizing and
for some crazy reason that fell along partisan lines.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And we fought like crazy for the kids, and for
the most part, we were not able to get the
schools back open during most of that, you know, after
the fall of twenty twenty, for the next for almost
a year after that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
So it's a sad chapter.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know, kids are still reeling back and they're trying
to recover. We have to, you know, almost rescue these
kids now and give them special attention because of the
learning loss. And I think the greatest untold story of
the COVID battles was that the populations hurt the worst
were the poor and minority communities in the United States.
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I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins and an
East bolts More. I mean, you close those schools and
send the kids.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Home with an iPad.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy,
and those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided
COVID policies. So we're trying to rebuild public trust. Secretary
Kennedy's got a great vision. Jay Bodichari is doing it.
Amendment OZ is a trans transformational leader at CMS, and
we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus
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on our mission of delivering more cures for the American
public and healthier food for children.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What do you think, having been through these battles, you
just hammered And I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly,
is the fact that the poorest among us the public
school kids. I was public school kid K twelve. A
lot of them left and didn't come back to school
for over a year. In physical person, these are the
kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors,
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don't have the ability to go to private school like
Gavin Newsom's kids do. When you hear Randy Weingarten now
say that she was working super hard to try to
reopen schools, what's your reaction.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the
CDC to make it stricter, and those edits were incorporated
in the final version that was published by the Biden
administration and the CDC. And that was tragic because you
did not have a scientific document. You had a document
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that was interfered with by a special interest group at
the expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons
we should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest
lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and
do their job.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
The announcement again today. You came on this show for years,
and I want to give you credit. I mean, my
two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get
the COVID shot based on the data, and we talked
a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it
was going to have. It's been five years and I
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know for many people out there it feel still like
the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public
trust in health to return to where it was pre COVID.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think we have to be successful as a new
team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent.
I think we have to address the big issues of
our day that we are not talking about. You know,
COVID was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling
class in America create rules for themselves that benefit it themselves.
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They could send their kids to private schools, The country
clubs were booming throughout COVID.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
They for a lot of the zoomocracy in America.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
They were going to work now and their pajamas on
video conferencing come to Inner City Baltimore. It was an
entirely different story, and you saw sort of the tyranny
of the ruling class right rules for themselves. And it's
not just with COVID, it is also with the great
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public health issues of our day. Why do forty percent
of American kids have a chronic disease? If you think
about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this
weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick.
We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of
healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that
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are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report
that came out a week ago. That is a fresh
new perspective because we can't just keep talking about financing
our broken healthcare system. We have to talk about fixing it,
and to fix it, we have to get at these
root causes. So we're changing the conversation from just talking
about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures
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and the food we eat and school lunch programs. You're
seeing action on the snap waivers by the USDA so
that the government dollars aren't going to all this sugary
junk food. In the SNAP program, you're seeing some movement
we've never seen before. So to rebuild public trust, in
my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at
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actually making progress on improving the health of the population
by addressing these root causes.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Last question for you, when you are out traveling and
we're talking doctor Martin McCarey, the FDA commissioner. His book
is I want to make sure that I get this right.
The most recent book is Ali texts me that again,
I'll get it before we leave blind spots. When you
still see people wearing masks going on airplanes, when you
(30:43):
still see kids, sometimes I can't believe this is happening,
still wearing masks. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Well, part of me thinks, I don't know what their
personal clinical situation is. But the other part of me
thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy,
who has been misled and given a false sense of
security that if they do this one mitigation step, that
somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world.
(31:11):
Which remember, for a lot of COVID there was actually
this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that
we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody,
I think, I don't blame them, I blame the people
who have given them the impression that if you wear
a mask in public every day for the rest of
your life, as a young, healthy person, you're going to
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somehow live a healthier, greater life.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Kids have been had their face covered.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
For nearly three years over some of this dogma in
parts of the country, and the kids are sad.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I mean the kids. There's one in.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Four teen girls is being treated for depression. And so
there are statistics that tell us we've got to not
just have a myopic myopic folk folks on viral transmission
of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Living, beautiful, as human being. And that's where I hope
we can go.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Doctor Marty McCarey. Congratulations FDA Commissioner. The book Blind Spots,
When Medicine gets it wrong and what it means for
our health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID,
and thank you for fighting so hard for a still
big announcement today. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Thanks Kay doctor Marty McCay one of the heroes, along
with doctor Bodicharia. I hope that when history is written
of the COVID era, that guys like him, and guys
like doctor Bodicharia and many others who were willing to
speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti science,
that their stories are a true story of heroism in
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what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Mike, Hey Clay, he told me to jump right in.
So the COVID mask is nothing but virtue signaling. It
is the red maga hat of the left.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I agree with you, thank you for the call. In
many ways, here's where I actually feel sad for those people.
I don't feel sad if somebody's got a kid with
making a political slogan on them or whatever. I feel
really bad when I see people with kids traveling, and
unfortunately I still see it in masks because I think
to myself, that poor kid, I mean, their parent has
(35:57):
no idea what's going on. They think that they are
listening to the experts, and really one of the most
important things that young kids can do is see mouths move.
When it comes to learning how to speak, they're huge
speech impediment issues that have become rampant. Melissa in San Antonio,
got to get you in quick here.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yes, there's so much investigation going on on both sides,
But at what point do we finally go you know what,
nobody's going to be held accountable, nothing's going to be done. Yes,
you can deal with it at the ballot box. But
if it applies to me and I would go.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
To jail, why aren't other.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
People going to jail?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Great question. We've talked about that with Rand Paul will
continue to talk about it with him. He says, Fauci
is going to be held accountable in some way. Talk
about that more when we come back.
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