August 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show features a powerful and data-driven conversation with Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute, author of The War on Cops and When Race Trumps Merit. This hour centers on the escalating crime crisis in Washington, D.C., and the broader implications of progressive criminal justice policies across major American cities. Mac Donald praises President Donald Trump’s recent “Liberation Day” speech, calling it a pivotal moment in his presidency and a bold rejection of the normalization of urban crime.
The discussion dives deep into the failures of Democrat-led cities to address violent crime, highlighting how race-based narratives have undermined law enforcement and public safety. Mac Donald critiques the “defund the police” movement and points to the New York Times’ surprising editorial shift acknowledging the consequences of anti-police rhetoric. She emphasizes the importance of police presence in high-crime communities and the damaging effects of demoralizing law enforcement.
Clay and Buck explore the statistical realities behind crime rates, questioning the integrity of reported crime drops and the political motivations behind them. They discuss the role of family structure—particularly the absence of fathers—in contributing to youth violence and criminal behavior, arguing that restoring family stability could dramatically reduce crime.
The hour also covers the controversial sanctuary city policies that obstruct federal immigration enforcement, with commentary from Trump White House advisor Stephen Miller and Vice President JD Vance. They argue that these policies enable dangerous criminals to remain in communities, posing serious public safety threats.
Additional topics include the impact of crime on business investment, urban quality of life, and the cultural shift needed to reject lawlessness. The hosts call for a return to common-sense policing and highlight New York City’s past success under leaders like William Bratton and Ray Kelly as a model for national reform.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're
joined by Heather MacDonald, Manhattan Institute, fellow author of When Race,
Trump's Merit and the War on Cops, particularly apro pos
in the light of today's discussion here. Heather, always great
to have you on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you so much. Beck, It's great to be with
you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So you must be watching this debate play out over
specifically the DC crime rate, but more broadly. Obviously, this
brings in a lot of arguments that you've heard from
the other side in the past and counter arguments that
you've been making. Are you surprised that it seems that
so many national level democrats have fallen into the trap
(00:40):
of defending the indefensible, which is the DC crime rate.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's your perspective on this, Well, I think this is
one of the greatest moments of the Trump presidency. His
August eleventh Liberation Day speech just sent chills down my spine,
and I mean in a good way. Words like we
are we are not going to let it happen anymore.
We're not going to take it. We're not going to
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lose our cities. We're taking our capital back. He has
finally broken fully with the dominant ideology in America, which
is to normalize the unacceptable, to define deviancy down and
Trump is saying, we are no longer going to make
excuses for crime. This is something we can control. The
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Democrats have spent decades trying to write this off, to say, well,
it's just kind of a normal aspect of cities. A
lot of this, almost entirety of the criminal justice discourse
on the Democratic side is driven by race considerations. They've
of course played the race card here, so no, I'm
not surprised. It has just brought out their innate tendencies
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to normalize crime in an extraordinarily vivid way, and they
are going to lose the debate. There's just no question.
You cannot, as you say, they are defending the indefensible there.
Their argument is a set of non sequitars. They say, well,
crime isn't bad in DC because it went down somewhat
(02:12):
last year. So what the fact is? Are you defending
three year olds being shot fatally in the head sitting
in their car as has happened over the last couple
of years regularly. You cannot defend that. And yet that's
what the Democrats are doing, Heather.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I actually thought about you on Sunday when I read
the New York Times editorial which basically said, hey, Heather
McDonald was right about everything, without saying Heather McDonald was
right about everything. I don't know if you officially read
that editorial, but let me just read to you from
the New York Times Sunday, and I want to just
(02:52):
get your thoughts on the cultural winds shifting that would
allow this to occur. During this is the New York Times.
During the twenty twenty protests, many progressives embrace calls to
quote defund the police, including prominent Democrats Kamala Harris, AOC
Eric Garcetti, then mayor of Los Angeles, and the protesters
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had an effect. Officers were disheartened by public criticisms, quit
their jobs, police departments had staffing shortages. Overall crime surged,
and Democrats have to recognize that they were responsible for
it and their arguments created this. Did you ever think
the New York Times would say this when it came
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to policing? And what is the significance of them completely
abandoning the cultural arguments they were making?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Certainly five years ago, well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
The editorial board would appear to be a little tiny
island of sanity in the paper large because their news
coverage is continuing, yeah to harp on the theme that
Trump is a fascist by daring to talk about crime
DC and worse, daring to do something about it. And
this is all just a race based ploy to try
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and go after black cities. So there's a there's an
absolute split in sensibility there. But it is a good thing.
I'll take every win I can get. It is a
good thing that the editorial board has put out a
little a little strand of sanity there that says that
the police are not the problem in high crime communities.
(04:30):
Criminals are. And when you demoralize the police, when you
delegitimate prosecution and arrests, there's only one thing that's going
to happen. You're not going to get peace. You're going
to get more criminal victimization. And if your claim is
and this is of course a complete hypocritical pose, but
if your claim is to care about black lives, you
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have to support the police because they are the strongest
agency in any city in any state that is dedicated
to saving black lives. They make arrests, they deter crime.
The national guard. There is there now just a crime. Further,
it is not there as some kind of occupying force.
(05:14):
It is using its command presence, and when the cops
back off, criminals take over. I have spent years going
to police community meetings in high crime nar areas like
the South Side of Chicago, or Central Harlem or Brooklyn,
and all I hear from the good, law abiding black
residents there, especially the elderly ladies in these fantastic cats,
(05:36):
is the police are our friends? Please Jesus send more police.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah. Heather McDonald with us here from the Manhattan Institute.
War on Cops is her excellent book. Heather, you are
somebody who also not just looks at the narratives, but
looks at the stats, the numbers, and have you been
able to I know it's hard at some level because
you have to rely on the DC crime stats from
DC right, meaning that the police, if they're cooking the books,
(06:06):
It might be a little tough to see that because
you have to rely on the frontline numbers at some
level that they're putting out there. But have you looked
into that at all? Do you think it is possible
and or likely that this thirty percent crime drop which
as you pointed out, isn't even really significant, but that
that thirty percent crime drop may be the result of
(06:26):
some fudging of the numbers.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I haven't looked into that personally. It is in line
with the crime drop that we're seeing in the rest
of the country. So if it were like twice as much,
that would be a real red flag. But I can say,
you know, there's constant pressure and ironically in the police
departments that are the best run, which means the ones
that are most aggressive towards their own police commanders, that
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are demanding accountability, that are demanding that those account that
those commanders have a plan for lowering crime, and the
top brass should be monitoring their numbers on a daily,
if not hourly basis. So those precinct commanders are in
the hot seat under what was known in New York
City as the CompStat system, They're going to feel the
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most pressure to get their crime statistics down, and if
they don't have one hundred percent integrity, they're the more
likely to possibly declassify things, muck around with how you
categorize crime. The police departments that are lackadays ago, that
don't have a strong commands structure, their precinct commanders are
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under less pressure. So it's a weird thing, and it's
something that departments have to fight. The New York Police
Department has a whole unit dedicated to police integrity and
going after corruption, and it's not well loved in the department.
But this is a constant battle. I can't say in
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this case, But again I would say that conservatives should
not be pulled into this game that the liberals are playing,
which is it well because crime dropped twenty seven percent
last year compared to its overwhelmingly high post George Floyd race,
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riots thing that everything is okay, and conservatives saying, well,
it's still bet Is that a true crime jump or not.
The fact is you can concede that crime has dropped
in the last two years in Washington, d C. And
still say so what, I don't care. Is it acceptable
that every single day in Washington, D C. There were
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ten violent crimes fourteen cards. That's three juvenile shot a day.
Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable that our homicide rate
is twenty seven times that of London's and sixty times
that of Switzerland. The only possible response is none of
that is acceptable, and that is what is so thrilling
(09:02):
about Trump's instincts. It's not even the details of the plan,
it's that he has instincts that are correct, which is
that any level of crime is not compatible with a
civilized society. Children being shot, cars being stolen, mass looting
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going on, the carjackings, and it's overwhelmingly juvenile. Sixty percent
of on carjackings in DC are juveniles. Trump is correct,
they are not punished. In twenty twenty three, there were
five girls, ages twelve to fifteen who beat to death
a sixty four year old cancer victim weighing one hundred
(09:43):
and ten pounds. They filmed themselves laughing as they stomped
and beat them to death. None of them had long sentences.
The most they're serving time is until they're twenty one.
Most of them will be out long before that. Trump
is absolutely right. DC has a soft on crime approach
that must change, just as every progressive prosecutor. It's all
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driven by not wanting it to have a racial lead
disparate impact on black criminals. All law enforcement will simply
because the black crime rate is so high in DC,
Blacks commit about ninety six percent of all homicides, even
though they're only forty three percent of the population, Whites
commit just under over one percent of the homicides. Still
(10:30):
they're thirty nine percent. You do not that should not
affect how you enforce the law. You enforce the law
to protect the law abiding, not to protect the criminals.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Not only that, Heather, and the people who are the
victims overwhelmingly would be black too. So when you say, oh,
we're arresting people disproportionately for based on race, you're also
disproportionately protect people who are race right, because most black
murder victims are going to be killed by black murder ers.
(11:07):
But last question for you here, and I love all
the data you provide, is there a city or a state,
based on the data that you have seen, that is
handling violent crime better than any others? And do they
have policies that should be replicated nationwide. We're fortunate because
we have these fifty different federal systems so we can
(11:30):
try experiments. And the idea is somebody in a state
does something good, hopefully it spreads. Is there any one
city or state that you would point to and say, boy,
from a violent crime perspective, these guys and gals are
doing great. We should be copying more of what they're
doing nationwide. Any positive out there, Well.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Until recently, I would have said New York City because
of the CompStat revolution, the accountability revolution, where police Chief
William Bratton followed up by William sit with we are
going to we are going to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, No, was safe for Kelly. I was trying to
give you the next commissioner for going ahead right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right, Kelly said, we are going to bring this down.
They brought They brought crime and homicides down eighty percent
by enforcing the law and above all by paying attention
to public disorder. That's why also the Trump initiative against
the encampments is so important, because this is something else
that simply should not be tolerated in the city. You
(12:33):
cannot have public space overcome by people urinating, defecating, shooting
up drugs in public. This is not acceptable. We cannot
define devncy down. So New York was very good in
paying attention to public order, in using its officers proactively
to use their powers of observation to stop people suspected
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of carrying guns. It had an enormous effect. They've backslid
in recent years now They've got a pretty good commissioner,
Jessica Tish, so that's good. But it's a constant battle,
and you know, we need we need politicians to have
the basic expectation that crime is not normal. And again,
(13:20):
it just cannot be stated enough, Bucking Clay. Trump's Liberation
Day speech could be epic changing if people get rid
of the idea that they should just accept squalor disorder
and violence as the normal part and also mass looting,
mass shoplifting as simply normal parts of American cities.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Heather McDonald, everybody always excellent, Heather, thank you so much,
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Fucking glaive.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
This is something that I should talk to you about
now because we're just discussing crime and sure, Trump the
anti crime revolution. It's fantastic and we're hoping that this
has huge ramification across the country in a lot of cities.
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Speaker 3 (15:39):
On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, Welcome
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, our thanks to
Heather McDonald and the reason I love Heather and we've
had her on a lot in the past years is
data tells the story, and a lot of people don't
want to look at the data and what she said
and I think whoever created this graphic the first time,
(16:01):
I think it really cut through the noise.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
She reinforced it.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Here Basically, if you're in London, you have and you're
comparing London, which obviously is the capital of England, and
you're comparing it to d C, which is capital of
the United States.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You are thirty times.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
As likely to be murdered in Washington, d C. As
you are in London. I think that's a stat that
it's hard to not have your eyebrows raised by. And
I think Trump saw this data, and I think a
lot of the people have seen it, and what it
tells us is we have just come to accept very
very high rates of violent crime as standard. And what
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Trump did in DC is actually seen as revolutionary, but
it's just basic common sense. We shouldn't have to live
like this, any of us in danger that we're going
to be murdered at any moment.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And I do like to compare these things because I
think it's important for us to see that with the
right political leadership, you can just do things, and you
can just fix things. We were led to believe by
the Democrats and the Democrat aligned media that the border
was there was no way to fix this. Oh asylum,
Oh there's all the oh too many people. Trump fixed
(17:18):
it in thirty days, sixty days. I mean, well, you know,
whatever timeline you want to look at, guess what, it
doesn't have to be that way at the border. It
does not have to be that way with crime in
major American cities. We do not have to live like this.
And that is the mental shift that is so important,
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and it affects everything by the way. It affects business investment,
it affects you know, people's how they feel about where
they live and walking down the streets, and it truly
is the Republican position. We want everybody to be safe
in every neighborhood in America and to feel good about
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to get to your talkbacks and your calls and your
emails at the back of this end of this hour,
So please light us up with all of that. We
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always appreciate it. And I wanted to note something. We're
talking about crime and trying to clean up street crime
in these major cities. What's going on in DC. I'm
certainly very hopeful. I am optimistic, beyond hopeful. I'm optimistic
that what Trump is doing is going to bear fruit there.
But I would also note on the Clay I talked
about this a bit yesterday when you stepped away to
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go visit our friends at Legacy Box. On the sanctuary
city situation, it's not just about illegal status. They are
willing think about this everyone. They are willing to obstruct
federal law enforcement efforts to get individuals off the streets
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who are not just here illegally, but who are real
public safety threats because they are so devoted to we cannot,
meaning we the police and Austin, the police in LA,
the police in New York. You know, we cannot be
a part of immigration stuff like like, we can't be
anywhere near. So they would rather a child predator who
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is an illegal alien be back out in circulation to
possibly And this is this has happened, by the way.
You know, there was a woman raped and murdered Lake
and Riley who was in custody. That they had the
guy in custody, they could have deported him, but they
would rather not do that. And this is where Stephen
Miller of the White House, one of the fantastic members
of this Trump White House team, this is where I
(20:36):
think his point is so critical. He was speaking about this.
This is cut three, and I think this really brings
it home for everybody to understand, uh, just exactly what
the Democrat open Democrat sanctuary policies do.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Play three.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
You'll have a situation where local police in Boston who
will arrested illegal alien who is a child predator and ivil.
Thencent was called a detainer request or a whole request,
and we'll say, don't release this person, hand them over
to Ice, and we'll remove the child predator from our community. Instead,
these sanctuary mayors will order the police department to ignore
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the federal request to set them free, out of the jail,
out of the prison, and they will go back into
the community, and then they will re offend. They will
hurt another little girl, they will hurt another little boy,
and then ICE has to spend weeks trying to scour
in the community to find this public safety threat. What
they're doing, Sean is evil, and President Trump will see
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that they are held to account for their crimes.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's it is just totally true, and I think everyone
needs says but Clay, that goes to the point if
it's not just oh, we don't want people who are Oh,
they're doing the jobs Americans won't do, and all the
propaganda about how everybody who comes here illegally is about
to start Google and is always volunteering at their church
you know, baked Goods Day on Sunday or something. I mean,
that's what they're always saying.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, there are.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
People who are truly public safety threats, murderers, gang members, rapists,
child rapists. Who I is saying, Hey, that guy's not
even suppose Guys, when we're talking about that stuff. That
guy's not even supposed to be in the country. Can
you hold them for us for a minute. And the policy,
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the open and stated policy of these cities is no,
let the child rapists go. We can't let immigration enforcement
have him.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
This is where again I think Trump sometimes just innately
hits on things because they're basic common.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Sense they have got. Right now at.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Union Station, the main train depot in Washington, d C.
Steven Miller is there and JD. Vance is there. They
are shaking hands with the National Guard troops who are
deployed in DC. Right now, they're protesters outside of Union
Station demanding that there be less security in Washington, DC.
(23:05):
And I just come back to a very basic question.
Unless you are a criminal, can you ever remember a
time in your life where you thought, I wish there
were way fewer police officers here. I'll tell you I
do a lot of public events, sporting events in particular.
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There's never been a time in my life where I
have been at a big college football game and I thought,
you know what, I wish there were fewer cops here.
I wish there were fewer campus security officials. The only
people who want less crime are two people buck one
is criminals, because remember, producer Ali can come up on this.
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The last time we were in DC, I was going
to get in a van to do a Piers Morgan
hit and Producer Ali was getting nervous because it was
getting too close to our showtime.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Ali can pull her mic up.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
We see in an alley as we were walking to
get into the into that.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Van at eleven fifty am, we saw a full on
drug deal going down.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Legit drug deal guy standing guard. We walk by the alley.
They see that we are not threats, right, We're not cops.
Middle of the day drug deals going on. Those guys
don't want more cops around. And the only other group
that does not want more cops around is rich left
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wing activists who live in areas where they feel no
crime and have so reflexively adopted anti Trump sentiment that
they are just very comfortable screaming about this. And in
fact jd Vance just spoke about this cut thirty. This
just happened at Union Station. Jd Vance addressing this issue
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directly play it.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The DC has a terrible crime problem. You just got
to look around. Obviously, DC has a terrible crime problem.
The Department of Justice Statistics back it up, the FBI statistics,
back it up. Just talk to a resident of this city,
this beautiful, great American city. Don't they deserve don't I mean,
we talk about human rights. We hear these people outside screaming,
free d C. Let's free d C from walllesses. Let's
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free Washington, d C from one of the highest murder
rates in the entire world. Let's free Washington d C
so that young families can walk around and feel safe
and secure. That's what we're trying to free d C from.
And as Stephens said, it's kind of bizarre that we
have a bunch of old, primarily white people who are
out there protesting the policies that keep people safe when
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they've never felt danger in their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This is the this is the delusional purple haired want
to be civil rights marchers of the left. I mean,
that's that's what this is. They think anytime they can
stand against Trump and also anytime they can stand against police.
So unless it's January sixth related, then they want swat team.
Isn't that amazing anyone who was involved with January sixth.
(26:02):
The Democrats across the board they wanted to send in
swat teams, you know, flash bangs, grab them. That old
lady she walked into the open doors and she was
in there for three minutes. Let's throw flash bangs into
her house and ruin the rest of her life and
try to lock her up for years and put her
in solitary confinement. No concerns from the Democrats about police
state tactics there. But if you're part of a of
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a you know, farh mob that murders somebody on the
streets of DC, oh, we don't want we don't want
to hurt your you know, your future prospects in life. Like,
let's go, let's go easy on these individuals. What's going
on here? It's it's nonsense.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I just I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
First of all, we talk about this a lot, and
I do think it's important. Politics oftentimes there's two different tracks.
One is is it good politically? Another is is it
good for the country. Right, I think this is a
great ex sample of Trump nailing it on two fronts.
It is good politically to be against violent crime. It
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has been good politically, whether you're a Democrat, Republican or
an independent to historically have been opposed to violent crime.
So it is a political benefit.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Also, fewer victims of violent crime is a good thing.
There are so many things we can sit around and
have nuanced debate about. Should I'll give you an example,
how should food stamps deal with sugary sodas and potato chips?
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, we canna have a real debate about that. There's
some arguments on both sides of that. I actually think
that the cutting this sugar thing is probably the better.
I think you and I are probably going to be
somewhat aligned on that. But there are reasonable arguments out
there about what you should be able to buy with
your snap funds, right like that, Whether or not you
(27:54):
should have fewer murders is not a debatable thing to me. Hey,
I'm in favor of people being alive for as long
as they possibly can. Seems like something that should be
beyond politics. Well, the mayor of Los Angeles, Yeah, very
explicitly laid out that this is essentially a function the
desire not to enforce the law. More, here is a
(28:16):
prominent democrat, a black woman who's the mayor of Los
Angeles saying that cracking down on crime in DC is well,
you know what, I'll let her say it here she
is this is cut too play it.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
And I'm concerned about the way he is rolling that
out in Washington, d C. Which is essentially calling essentially
going after young black and brown youth in Washington, d C.
Imposing a curfew, saying that if they violate the curfew,
the parents could be charged five hundred dollars, saying that
the kids could be detained and arrested. We've tried those
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policies before.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
They do not work.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
And it's my understanding that crime was going down in Washington,
d C. So what is the purpose of this?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, Well, that's the irrelevancy we keep hearing, Oh, crime
is going down. Put that aside. We all know it's
too dangerous. She said, work all time highs. It's worth
mentioning too, So FYI, it's essentially going after black and
brown youth, is the quote that she puts out there. Okay,
So now we get to why Democrats take this very
(29:16):
you know, very emotional position. As you put it out.
A lot of them are middle aged and retiree aged,
you know, white democrats, yes, but they view this, they
view enforcement of the law as inherently racist.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well, what does that say?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
About their perspective, like she's the one saying this, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I think just at a very baseline level, that
actually leads to a conversation we should be having. Why
are rates of violent crime so much higher for black
and brown people such that they end up being arrested
for rates of violent crime outside of the percentage of
their overall population. That's a real conversation that an adult
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country would have, and we would try to figure out
adult solutions.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I would also.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Point out that a very easy and I mentioned it
with Heather MacDonald, but a very easy counterpoint to this
is why should non criminal black and brown citizens be
held hostage effectively in their neighborhoods by criminal black and
brown people. Well, you're actually they're the victims of the
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violence that you're not willing to end.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And there's a tremendous sensitivity on the left about for example,
in New York City, Asian is such a large Asia
is a here's a statement for everybody, a very large place.
So when you say Asian, and in the context of
if you watch any like UK, you know shows, you
(30:50):
know scripted drown throwers say all these are Asian males.
When they say Asian. They mean South Asian overwhelmingly, right.
I mean, when they're talking about South Asians in Britain,
they're talking of people from India, from Pakistan, So to
say Asian is such a broad thing. I bring this up, though, Clay,
because the left would like you to believe that poverty
and lack of opportunity is what leads to crime. Problem
is in New York City. They have very good data
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on this, and the subgroup within Asia of Pakistani and
Bangladeshi individuals, for example, have higher poverty rates, higher poverty
rates than black or Latino New York City residents, and
exponentially lower crime rates. This is just the data, So
(31:34):
it's not about just power. It's not just a poverty thing.
And now to get into family formation, Now we get
into cultural influences. Now we get into dads being home
or not. If you control you know what I mean,
I don't have this data. If you control for households
where there's a dad in the home, get I bet
the crime disparity between all these different groups evaporates.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think that we could cure nine eighty percent of
our social ills in this country if dads were at home.
This is my soapbox issue if you want to go
to where it comes from at its most baseline level.
This is one of the things that I think Thomas
Soul has done such a good job of arguing about
because they've tried to say, hey, racism is what causes
(32:18):
this crime discrepancy, this poverty issue, everything else. You go
back and you look before the Civil Rights movement, a
most I think it's like seventy five percent, eighty percent
of young black kids in America grew up with a
dad at home.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Think about that.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Nineteen fifties America, black men were at home with their
families raising their kids. Now I believe it's twenty five
percent of how black households have a dad at home.
And if you go and overlay that data, as Buck
just said, and you look at crime rates, I think
you would see overwhelmingly dad not home crime happens. Dad
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home crime comes down because these young men, they're acting out.
They have no role models, they don't have a culture
of male growth. Sometimes granddads try to do it, uncles
try to do it, but that void in the household
of the dad. And I'm not taking shots at single
moms because I know a lot of y'all out there
are trying to do both jobs. Young girls do better
(33:22):
in homes without dads than young boys do, and that
is where I think a huge percentage of this violence
comes from. That's the reality, and that's a conversation that
a grown, healthy country would have instead of what you
got there Karen Bass saying, I'm concerned that if we
enforce the law too many people who are black and
(33:45):
brown are going to be arrested. So it's racist to
enforce the law. What about all the black and brown
people who are going to be victimized when you don't
enforce the law. So they have rights? I think they do.
In fact, I think they should be protected. We should
protect them who don't break the law. Yesterday, that incredible day,
left the show a little bit early, went down the
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And politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis
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Find them on the free iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts. When we come back, we will take some
of your talkbacks, some of your calls, no guests. Third
Hour eight hundred and two two two eight A two.
You can react to a variety of different topics that
we have discussed in the first couple of hours. The
Trump administration in DC accelerating their push to lower.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
The rates of violent fraude.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And we'll give you a little bit of an update
on the Ukraine and Russia situation. Plus MS. Now maybe
we can have some more fun with that. I really
do like Buck's idea earlier on Scarborough. I got a
Kaepernick story and Superman story for you too, not connected
those two.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
What else you got for us, Buck, It's going to
be a great third hour.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Just stick around with us and you'll see some people
are saying fabulous
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're
joined by Heather MacDonald, Manhattan Institute, fellow author of When Race,
Trump's Merit and the War on Cops, particularly apro pos
in the light of today's discussion here. Heather, always great
to have you on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you so much. Beck, It's great to be with
you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So you must be watching this debate play out over
specifically the DC crime rate, but more broadly. Obviously, this
brings in a lot of arguments that you've heard from
the other side in the past and counter arguments that
you've been making. Are you surprised that it seems that
so many national level democrats have fallen into the trap
(00:40):
of defending the indefensible, which is the DC crime rate.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's your perspective on this, Well, I think this is
one of the greatest moments of the Trump presidency. His
August eleventh Liberation Day speech just sent chills down my spine,
and I mean in a good way. Words like we
are we are not going to let it happen anymore.
We're not going to take it. We're not going to
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lose our cities. We're taking our capital back. He has
finally broken fully with the dominant ideology in America, which
is to normalize the unacceptable, to define deviancy down and
Trump is saying, we are no longer going to make
excuses for crime. This is something we can control. The
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Democrats have spent decades trying to write this off, to say, well,
it's just kind of a normal aspect of cities. A
lot of this, almost entirety of the criminal justice discourse
on the Democratic side is driven by race considerations. They've
of course played the race card here, so no, I'm
not surprised. It has just brought out their innate tendencies
(01:51):
to normalize crime in an extraordinarily vivid way, and they
are going to lose the debate. There's just no question.
You cannot, as you say, they are defending the indefensible there.
Their argument is a set of non sequitars. They say, well,
crime isn't bad in DC because it went down somewhat
(02:12):
last year. So what the fact is? Are you defending
three year olds being shot fatally in the head sitting
in their car as has happened over the last couple
of years regularly. You cannot defend that. And yet that's
what the Democrats are doing, Heather.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I actually thought about you on Sunday when I read
the New York Times editorial which basically said, hey, Heather
McDonald was right about everything, without saying Heather McDonald was
right about everything. I don't know if you officially read
that editorial, but let me just read to you from
the New York Times Sunday, and I want to just
(02:52):
get your thoughts on the cultural winds shifting that would
allow this to occur. During this is the New York Times.
During the twenty twenty protests, many progressives embrace calls to
quote defund the police, including prominent Democrats Kamala Harris, AOC
Eric Garcetti, then mayor of Los Angeles, and the protesters
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had an effect. Officers were disheartened by public criticisms, quit
their jobs, police departments had staffing shortages. Overall crime surged,
and Democrats have to recognize that they were responsible for
it and their arguments created this. Did you ever think
the New York Times would say this when it came
(03:34):
to policing? And what is the significance of them completely
abandoning the cultural arguments they were making?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Certainly five years ago, well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
The editorial board would appear to be a little tiny
island of sanity in the paper large because their news
coverage is continuing, yeah to harp on the theme that
Trump is a fascist by daring to talk about crime
DC and worse, daring to do something about it. And
this is all just a race based ploy to try
(04:07):
and go after black cities. So there's a there's an
absolute split in sensibility there. But it is a good thing.
I'll take every win I can get. It is a
good thing that the editorial board has put out a
little a little strand of sanity there that says that
the police are not the problem in high crime communities.
(04:30):
Criminals are. And when you demoralize the police, when you
delegitimate prosecution and arrests, there's only one thing that's going
to happen. You're not going to get peace. You're going
to get more criminal victimization. And if your claim is
and this is of course a complete hypocritical pose, but
if your claim is to care about black lives, you
(04:52):
have to support the police because they are the strongest
agency in any city in any state that is dedicated
to saving black lives. They make arrests, they deter crime.
The national guard. There is there now just a crime. Further,
it is not there as some kind of occupying force.
(05:14):
It is using its command presence, and when the cops
back off, criminals take over. I have spent years going
to police community meetings in high crime nar areas like
the South Side of Chicago, or Central Harlem or Brooklyn,
and all I hear from the good, law abiding black
residents there, especially the elderly ladies in these fantastic cats,
(05:36):
is the police are our friends? Please Jesus send more police.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah. Heather McDonald with us here from the Manhattan Institute.
War on Cops is her excellent book. Heather, you are
somebody who also not just looks at the narratives, but
looks at the stats, the numbers, and have you been
able to I know it's hard at some level because
you have to rely on the DC crime stats from
DC right, meaning that the police, if they're cooking the books,
(06:06):
It might be a little tough to see that because
you have to rely on the frontline numbers at some
level that they're putting out there. But have you looked
into that at all? Do you think it is possible
and or likely that this thirty percent crime drop which
as you pointed out, isn't even really significant, but that
that thirty percent crime drop may be the result of
(06:26):
some fudging of the numbers.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I haven't looked into that personally. It is in line
with the crime drop that we're seeing in the rest
of the country. So if it were like twice as much,
that would be a real red flag. But I can say,
you know, there's constant pressure and ironically in the police
departments that are the best run, which means the ones
that are most aggressive towards their own police commanders, that
(06:52):
are demanding accountability, that are demanding that those account that
those commanders have a plan for lowering crime, and the
top brass should be monitoring their numbers on a daily,
if not hourly basis. So those precinct commanders are in
the hot seat under what was known in New York
City as the CompStat system, They're going to feel the
(07:13):
most pressure to get their crime statistics down, and if
they don't have one hundred percent integrity, they're the more
likely to possibly declassify things, muck around with how you
categorize crime. The police departments that are lackadays ago, that
don't have a strong commands structure, their precinct commanders are
(07:35):
under less pressure. So it's a weird thing, and it's
something that departments have to fight. The New York Police
Department has a whole unit dedicated to police integrity and
going after corruption, and it's not well loved in the department.
But this is a constant battle. I can't say in
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this case, But again I would say that conservatives should
not be pulled into this game that the liberals are playing,
which is it well because crime dropped twenty seven percent
last year compared to its overwhelmingly high post George Floyd race,
(08:16):
riots thing that everything is okay, and conservatives saying, well,
it's still bet Is that a true crime jump or not.
The fact is you can concede that crime has dropped
in the last two years in Washington, d C. And
still say so what, I don't care. Is it acceptable
that every single day in Washington, D C. There were
(08:39):
ten violent crimes fourteen cards. That's three juvenile shot a day.
Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable that our homicide rate
is twenty seven times that of London's and sixty times
that of Switzerland. The only possible response is none of
that is acceptable, and that is what is so thrilling
(09:02):
about Trump's instincts. It's not even the details of the plan,
it's that he has instincts that are correct, which is
that any level of crime is not compatible with a
civilized society. Children being shot, cars being stolen, mass looting
(09:22):
going on, the carjackings, and it's overwhelmingly juvenile. Sixty percent
of on carjackings in DC are juveniles. Trump is correct,
they are not punished. In twenty twenty three, there were
five girls, ages twelve to fifteen who beat to death
a sixty four year old cancer victim weighing one hundred
(09:43):
and ten pounds. They filmed themselves laughing as they stomped
and beat them to death. None of them had long sentences.
The most they're serving time is until they're twenty one.
Most of them will be out long before that. Trump
is absolutely right. DC has a soft on crime approach
that must change, just as every progressive prosecutor. It's all
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driven by not wanting it to have a racial lead
disparate impact on black criminals. All law enforcement will simply
because the black crime rate is so high in DC,
Blacks commit about ninety six percent of all homicides, even
though they're only forty three percent of the population, Whites
commit just under over one percent of the homicides. Still
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they're thirty nine percent. You do not that should not
affect how you enforce the law. You enforce the law
to protect the law abiding, not to protect the criminals.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Not only that, Heather, and the people who are the
victims overwhelmingly would be black too. So when you say, oh,
we're arresting people disproportionately for based on race, you're also
disproportionately protect people who are race right, because most black
murder victims are going to be killed by black murder ers.
(11:07):
But last question for you here, and I love all
the data you provide, is there a city or a state,
based on the data that you have seen, that is
handling violent crime better than any others? And do they
have policies that should be replicated nationwide. We're fortunate because
we have these fifty different federal systems so we can
(11:30):
try experiments. And the idea is somebody in a state
does something good, hopefully it spreads. Is there any one
city or state that you would point to and say, boy,
from a violent crime perspective, these guys and gals are
doing great. We should be copying more of what they're
doing nationwide. Any positive out there, Well.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Until recently, I would have said New York City because
of the CompStat revolution, the accountability revolution, where police Chief
William Bratton followed up by William sit with we are
going to we are going to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No, No, was safe for Kelly. I was trying to
give you the next commissioner for going ahead right.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right, Kelly said, we are going to bring this down.
They brought They brought crime and homicides down eighty percent
by enforcing the law and above all by paying attention
to public disorder. That's why also the Trump initiative against
the encampments is so important, because this is something else
that simply should not be tolerated in the city. You
(12:33):
cannot have public space overcome by people urinating, defecating, shooting
up drugs in public. This is not acceptable. We cannot
define devncy down. So New York was very good in
paying attention to public order, in using its officers proactively
to use their powers of observation to stop people suspected
(12:57):
of carrying guns. It had an enormous effect. They've backslid
in recent years now They've got a pretty good commissioner,
Jessica Tish, so that's good. But it's a constant battle,
and you know, we need we need politicians to have
the basic expectation that crime is not normal. And again,
(13:20):
it just cannot be stated enough, Bucking Clay. Trump's Liberation
Day speech could be epic changing if people get rid
of the idea that they should just accept squalor disorder
and violence as the normal part and also mass looting,
mass shoplifting as simply normal parts of American cities.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Heather McDonald, everybody always excellent, Heather, thank you so much,
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Fucking glaive.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
This is something that I should talk to you about
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Speaker 3 (15:39):
On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, Welcome
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, our thanks to
Heather McDonald and the reason I love Heather and we've
had her on a lot in the past years is
data tells the story, and a lot of people don't
want to look at the data and what she said
and I think whoever created this graphic the first time,
(16:01):
I think it really cut through the noise.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
She reinforced it.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Here Basically, if you're in London, you have and you're
comparing London, which obviously is the capital of England, and
you're comparing it to d C, which is capital of
the United States.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You are thirty times.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
As likely to be murdered in Washington, d C. As
you are in London. I think that's a stat that
it's hard to not have your eyebrows raised by. And
I think Trump saw this data, and I think a
lot of the people have seen it, and what it
tells us is we have just come to accept very
very high rates of violent crime as standard. And what
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Trump did in DC is actually seen as revolutionary, but
it's just basic common sense. We shouldn't have to live
like this, any of us in danger that we're going
to be murdered at any moment.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And I do like to compare these things because I
think it's important for us to see that with the
right political leadership, you can just do things, and you
can just fix things. We were led to believe by
the Democrats and the Democrat aligned media that the border
was there was no way to fix this. Oh asylum,
Oh there's all the oh too many people. Trump fixed
(17:18):
it in thirty days, sixty days. I mean, well, you know,
whatever timeline you want to look at, guess what, it
doesn't have to be that way at the border. It
does not have to be that way with crime in
major American cities. We do not have to live like this.
And that is the mental shift that is so important,
(17:38):
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in every neighborhood in America and to feel good about
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to get to your talkbacks and your calls and your
emails at the back of this end of this hour,
So please light us up with all of that. We
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always appreciate it. And I wanted to note something. We're
talking about crime and trying to clean up street crime
in these major cities. What's going on in DC. I'm
certainly very hopeful. I am optimistic, beyond hopeful. I'm optimistic
that what Trump is doing is going to bear fruit there.
But I would also note on the Clay I talked
about this a bit yesterday when you stepped away to
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go visit our friends at Legacy Box. On the sanctuary
city situation, it's not just about illegal status. They are
willing think about this everyone. They are willing to obstruct
federal law enforcement efforts to get individuals off the streets
(19:50):
who are not just here illegally, but who are real
public safety threats because they are so devoted to we cannot,
meaning we the police and Austin, the police in LA,
the police in New York. You know, we cannot be
a part of immigration stuff like like, we can't be
anywhere near. So they would rather a child predator who
(20:14):
is an illegal alien be back out in circulation to
possibly And this is this has happened, by the way.
You know, there was a woman raped and murdered Lake
and Riley who was in custody. That they had the
guy in custody, they could have deported him, but they
would rather not do that. And this is where Stephen
Miller of the White House, one of the fantastic members
of this Trump White House team, this is where I
(20:36):
think his point is so critical. He was speaking about this.
This is cut three, and I think this really brings
it home for everybody to understand, uh, just exactly what
the Democrat open Democrat sanctuary policies do.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Play three.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
You'll have a situation where local police in Boston who
will arrested illegal alien who is a child predator and ivil.
Thencent was called a detainer request or a whole request,
and we'll say, don't release this person, hand them over
to Ice, and we'll remove the child predator from our community. Instead,
these sanctuary mayors will order the police department to ignore
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the federal request to set them free, out of the jail,
out of the prison, and they will go back into
the community, and then they will re offend. They will
hurt another little girl, they will hurt another little boy,
and then ICE has to spend weeks trying to scour
in the community to find this public safety threat. What
they're doing, Sean is evil, and President Trump will see
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that they are held to account for their crimes.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's it is just totally true, and I think everyone
needs says but Clay, that goes to the point if
it's not just oh, we don't want people who are Oh,
they're doing the jobs Americans won't do, and all the
propaganda about how everybody who comes here illegally is about
to start Google and is always volunteering at their church
you know, baked Goods Day on Sunday or something. I mean,
that's what they're always saying.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, there are.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
People who are truly public safety threats, murderers, gang members, rapists,
child rapists. Who I is saying, Hey, that guy's not
even suppose Guys, when we're talking about that stuff. That
guy's not even supposed to be in the country. Can
you hold them for us for a minute. And the policy,
(22:20):
the open and stated policy of these cities is no,
let the child rapists go. We can't let immigration enforcement
have him.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
This is where again I think Trump sometimes just innately
hits on things because they're basic common.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Sense they have got. Right now at.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Union Station, the main train depot in Washington, d C.
Steven Miller is there and JD. Vance is there. They
are shaking hands with the National Guard troops who are
deployed in DC. Right now, they're protesters outside of Union
Station demanding that there be less security in Washington, DC.
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And I just come back to a very basic question.
Unless you are a criminal, can you ever remember a
time in your life where you thought, I wish there
were way fewer police officers here. I'll tell you I
do a lot of public events, sporting events in particular.
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There's never been a time in my life where I
have been at a big college football game and I thought,
you know what, I wish there were fewer cops here.
I wish there were fewer campus security officials. The only
people who want less crime are two people buck one
is criminals, because remember, producer Ali can come up on this.
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The last time we were in DC, I was going
to get in a van to do a Piers Morgan
hit and Producer Ali was getting nervous because it was
getting too close to our showtime.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Ali can pull her mic up.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
We see in an alley as we were walking to
get into the into that.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Van at eleven fifty am, we saw a full on
drug deal going down.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Legit drug deal guy standing guard. We walk by the alley.
They see that we are not threats, right, We're not cops.
Middle of the day drug deals going on. Those guys
don't want more cops around. And the only other group
that does not want more cops around is rich left
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wing activists who live in areas where they feel no
crime and have so reflexively adopted anti Trump sentiment that
they are just very comfortable screaming about this. And in
fact jd Vance just spoke about this cut thirty. This
just happened at Union Station. Jd Vance addressing this issue
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directly play it.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The DC has a terrible crime problem. You just got
to look around. Obviously, DC has a terrible crime problem.
The Department of Justice Statistics back it up, the FBI statistics,
back it up. Just talk to a resident of this city,
this beautiful, great American city. Don't they deserve don't I mean,
we talk about human rights. We hear these people outside screaming,
free d C. Let's free d C from walllesses. Let's
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free Washington, d C from one of the highest murder
rates in the entire world. Let's free Washington d C
so that young families can walk around and feel safe
and secure. That's what we're trying to free d C from.
And as Stephens said, it's kind of bizarre that we
have a bunch of old, primarily white people who are
out there protesting the policies that keep people safe when
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they've never felt danger in their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This is the this is the delusional purple haired want
to be civil rights marchers of the left. I mean,
that's that's what this is. They think anytime they can
stand against Trump and also anytime they can stand against police.
So unless it's January sixth related, then they want swat team.
Isn't that amazing anyone who was involved with January sixth.
(26:02):
The Democrats across the board they wanted to send in
swat teams, you know, flash bangs, grab them. That old
lady she walked into the open doors and she was
in there for three minutes. Let's throw flash bangs into
her house and ruin the rest of her life and
try to lock her up for years and put her
in solitary confinement. No concerns from the Democrats about police
state tactics there. But if you're part of a of
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a you know, farh mob that murders somebody on the
streets of DC, oh, we don't want we don't want
to hurt your you know, your future prospects in life. Like,
let's go, let's go easy on these individuals. What's going
on here? It's it's nonsense.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I just I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
First of all, we talk about this a lot, and
I do think it's important. Politics oftentimes there's two different tracks.
One is is it good politically? Another is is it
good for the country. Right, I think this is a
great ex sample of Trump nailing it on two fronts.
It is good politically to be against violent crime. It
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has been good politically, whether you're a Democrat, Republican or
an independent to historically have been opposed to violent crime.
So it is a political benefit.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Also, fewer victims of violent crime is a good thing.
There are so many things we can sit around and
have nuanced debate about. Should I'll give you an example,
how should food stamps deal with sugary sodas and potato chips?
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, we canna have a real debate about that. There's
some arguments on both sides of that. I actually think
that the cutting this sugar thing is probably the better.
I think you and I are probably going to be
somewhat aligned on that. But there are reasonable arguments out
there about what you should be able to buy with
your snap funds, right like that, Whether or not you
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should have fewer murders is not a debatable thing to me. Hey,
I'm in favor of people being alive for as long
as they possibly can. Seems like something that should be
beyond politics. Well, the mayor of Los Angeles, Yeah, very
explicitly laid out that this is essentially a function the
desire not to enforce the law. More, here is a
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prominent democrat, a black woman who's the mayor of Los
Angeles saying that cracking down on crime in DC is well,
you know what, I'll let her say it here she
is this is cut too play it.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
And I'm concerned about the way he is rolling that
out in Washington, d C. Which is essentially calling essentially
going after young black and brown youth in Washington, d C.
Imposing a curfew, saying that if they violate the curfew,
the parents could be charged five hundred dollars, saying that
the kids could be detained and arrested. We've tried those
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policies before.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
They do not work.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
And it's my understanding that crime was going down in Washington,
d C. So what is the purpose of this?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, Well, that's the irrelevancy we keep hearing, Oh, crime
is going down. Put that aside. We all know it's
too dangerous. She said, work all time highs. It's worth
mentioning too, So FYI, it's essentially going after black and
brown youth, is the quote that she puts out there. Okay,
So now we get to why Democrats take this very
(29:16):
you know, very emotional position. As you put it out.
A lot of them are middle aged and retiree aged,
you know, white democrats, yes, but they view this, they
view enforcement of the law as inherently racist.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Well, what does that say?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
About their perspective, like she's the one saying this, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I think just at a very baseline level, that
actually leads to a conversation we should be having. Why
are rates of violent crime so much higher for black
and brown people such that they end up being arrested
for rates of violent crime outside of the percentage of
their overall population. That's a real conversation that an adult
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country would have, and we would try to figure out
adult solutions.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I would also.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Point out that a very easy and I mentioned it
with Heather MacDonald, but a very easy counterpoint to this
is why should non criminal black and brown citizens be
held hostage effectively in their neighborhoods by criminal black and
brown people. Well, you're actually they're the victims of the
(30:27):
violence that you're not willing to end.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And there's a tremendous sensitivity on the left about for example,
in New York City, Asian is such a large Asia
is a here's a statement for everybody, a very large place.
So when you say Asian, and in the context of
if you watch any like UK, you know shows, you
(30:50):
know scripted drown throwers say all these are Asian males.
When they say Asian. They mean South Asian overwhelmingly, right.
I mean, when they're talking about South Asians in Britain,
they're talking of people from India, from Pakistan, So to
say Asian is such a broad thing. I bring this up, though, Clay,
because the left would like you to believe that poverty
and lack of opportunity is what leads to crime. Problem
is in New York City. They have very good data
(31:12):
on this, and the subgroup within Asia of Pakistani and
Bangladeshi individuals, for example, have higher poverty rates, higher poverty
rates than black or Latino New York City residents, and
exponentially lower crime rates. This is just the data, So
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it's not about just power. It's not just a poverty thing.
And now to get into family formation, Now we get
into cultural influences. Now we get into dads being home
or not. If you control you know what I mean,
I don't have this data. If you control for households
where there's a dad in the home, get I bet
the crime disparity between all these different groups evaporates.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think that we could cure nine eighty percent of
our social ills in this country if dads were at home.
This is my soapbox issue if you want to go
to where it comes from at its most baseline level.
This is one of the things that I think Thomas
Soul has done such a good job of arguing about
because they've tried to say, hey, racism is what causes
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this crime discrepancy, this poverty issue, everything else. You go
back and you look before the Civil Rights movement, a
most I think it's like seventy five percent, eighty percent
of young black kids in America grew up with a
dad at home.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Think about that.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Nineteen fifties America, black men were at home with their
families raising their kids. Now I believe it's twenty five
percent of how black households have a dad at home.
And if you go and overlay that data, as Buck
just said, and you look at crime rates, I think
you would see overwhelmingly dad not home crime happens. Dad
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home crime comes down because these young men, they're acting out.
They have no role models, they don't have a culture
of male growth. Sometimes granddads try to do it, uncles
try to do it, but that void in the household
of the dad. And I'm not taking shots at single
moms because I know a lot of y'all out there
are trying to do both jobs. Young girls do better
(33:22):
in homes without dads than young boys do, and that
is where I think a huge percentage of this violence
comes from. That's the reality, and that's a conversation that
a grown, healthy country would have instead of what you
got there Karen Bass saying, I'm concerned that if we
enforce the law too many people who are black and
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brown are going to be arrested. So it's racist to
enforce the law. What about all the black and brown
people who are going to be victimized when you don't
enforce the law. So they have rights? I think they do.
In fact, I think they should be protected. We should
protect them who don't break the law. Yesterday, that incredible day,
left the show a little bit early, went down the
(34:05):
Chattanooga spoke to the Hamilton County Young Republican Group. Awesome crowd,
great event. And before that, I went and toured Legacy Box.
And if you're watching on the live stream right now,
and I'm sure we'll clip this and we will share
it on YouTube, you can see some of my tour.
We had somebody walking around taking footage as I toured
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the factory, at legacy Box, and so you can see
how they digitally transfer old media, more VCRs than I've
seen ever to me back in time, I felt like
it was nineteen eighty five, super eight, film, photos, audio tapes,
nineteen different media they can turn into digital files. That's
why legacy Box exists to help you preserve and relive
(34:52):
your family's history. I even got to help a little
bit with some of the transfers, very little bit, but
it was awesome just to see how this happens. They've
done it for a million and a half families to date.
When they take on your project, they stay in touch
with you every step of the way. Then they'll send
everything back. You get back all of your originals with
a digital link. Allows you to see your stored memories
(35:16):
up in the cloud as well, and also on a
digital file so that you can share it easily with
your friends and family. This business really is about preserving
your family's history and your family's legacy, and it is
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(35:38):
That is legacybox dot com, slash Clay, Adam and Nick.
They're doing an incredible job everybody there. I had an
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Speaker 4 (35:52):
And politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts. When we come back, we will take some
of your talkbacks, some of your calls, no guests. Third
Hour eight hundred and two two two eight A two.
You can react to a variety of different topics that
we have discussed in the first couple of hours. The
Trump administration in DC accelerating their push to lower.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
The rates of violent fraude.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
And we'll give you a little bit of an update
on the Ukraine and Russia situation. Plus MS. Now maybe
we can have some more fun with that. I really
do like Buck's idea earlier on Scarborough. I got a
Kaepernick story and Superman story for you too, not connected
those two.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
What else you got for us, Buck, It's going to
be a great third hour.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Just stick around with us and you'll see some people
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