July 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a fiery and humorous critique of Hollywood’s political messaging, with a sharp focus on the controversy surrounding the new Superman movie directed by James Gunn. The hosts open with a lighthearted jab at CNN’s Wolf Blitzer and his infamous Jeopardy performance, using it as a springboard to discuss media credibility and public perception.
The bulk of the hour centers on the Superman movie backlash, where Clay Travis criticizes Gunn’s framing of Superman as an immigrant and the broader trend of injecting progressive politics into iconic characters. Travis argues that Superman should remain an apolitical symbol of universal values like truth and justice, not a vehicle for modern immigration debates. The hosts explore whether Superman is better understood as an asylum seeker rather than an immigrant, given his extraterrestrial origins and adoption by American parents.
The conversation expands into a broader critique of Hollywood’s political agenda, with examples like the Barbie movie, Snow White, and Avatar cited as failures or disappointments due to overt messaging. In contrast, Tom Cruise is praised for consistently delivering apolitical, blockbuster entertainment that appeals to mainstream audiences. The hosts lament that Hollywood prioritizes virtue signaling over profitability, alienating large swaths of the public.
Listeners also hear about Nick Adams’ nomination as U.S. Ambassador to Malaysia by Donald Trump, sparking a discussion on the appeal and challenges of ambassadorships. Clay and Buck reflect on the lifestyle, responsibilities, and travel restrictions associated with diplomatic roles, with a humorous twist on where they’d like to serve.
The hour wraps with audience engagement, including calls from Superman fans frustrated by the politicization of the character. One caller, who runs a Superman fan page, shares concerns about cancel culture within fandoms and the erasure of traditional American values like “truth, justice, and the American way.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Go back getting Klay Travis buck Sexton show. Congrats as
you just heard buck Sexton successfully knowing how many points
of safety is worth unlike two thirds of the Jeopardy contestants.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You to have a little bit of fun here, and
this is all real. But I want to.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How funny is that Wolf Blitzer clip? I mean that
he would I mean, for everybody out there watching, he
is held up as one of the brainiacs of CNN, right,
wouldn't you say? That's probably fair to say that Wolf
Flitzer is seen as one of the smarter guys on
the air at CNN.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think that's probably fair. Well, I don't know if
it's as a result of his Jeopardy appearance, but people
have been suggesting that he's like the confused fool for
a while now, Okay, I think so, but I don't know,
to be fair, he's probably I mean, he's got to
be over seventy now, right, like that clip was from
two thousand and nine. I will say, I will say
I have heard from people within this CNN world for
(00:59):
a long time. He's actually pretty I've heard super nice guy. Yeah,
he's a nice guy. So I will give him a
pollo credit on he's apparently a good dude, and we're
having a little bit of fun at his expense. But
he's paid millions of dollars and he's had a good run,
and so you know. But he is apparently unlike most
of the CNN anchors, and I could go through chapter
and verse, he's apparently a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
To be fair, if I went on Celebrity Jeopardy and
I lost five thousand dollars, it would go insanely megaviral,
and I would I mean, I would have to own it, right,
but all the clips of me missing the questions and
everything else, it would Actually it would probably be better
for me to go and lose a ton of money
(01:39):
than to win a ton of money, because if I
won tons of money, nobody would share it. They would
be like, oh whatever, Klay Travis, still stupid meany head
more on, if I lost like five thousand dollars, everybody
that hates me would share it, So it probably would
go more viral for a collapse than actually being successful.
Okay tweeted this last night. I got a sense that
(02:04):
my take this is all real. I got a sense
that my take on Superman the New movie had gone
megaviral because yesterday I woke up and I had an
email from a japan news agency asking if they could
interview me for my take on the New Superman movie.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So when you see the Suntori commercials with Clay Travis
in them or supporto, you will know that this is
that Clay's big in Japan. Let's just say it, Clay
is big in Japan.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
In my entire career of telling tons of sharing, tons
of opinions on everything under the sun, there has never
been any request for me to be interviewed by any
Japanese news agency.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, well, cook, I think the one part we have
to let everybody know, though, is that the director James
Gunn I used to be. I will say, if we
were talking like late nineties, early two thousands movies, I
was absolutely dialed in. I have my favorite directors, my
favorite actors, you know, excited about I don't even know
(03:10):
who's I don't know who's been directing movies for the
last ten years. I basically have no idea. I don't
pay attention because I think most movies absolutely stink. Almost
all of them absolutely stink. Now he said something though,
Here's the quote. Here's the James Gunn quote. So this
is where it all started.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
On in Variety magazine, which is like a Hollywood celebrity magazine,
shared a story and said, James Gunn says Superman is
about an immigrant that came from other places. How we've
lost the value of basic human kindness. Yes, it's about politics.
(03:45):
That was James Gunn's take. He is the director of
the new Superman movie that is opening. I think it
maybe already are out or opening today or whatever else,
I tweeted three days ago, And this is true. I'm
gonna skip seeing Superman. The director is a moron to
say this publicly the week before release. America is desperate
for a political entertainment. Hollywood's unable to deliver it. And
(04:10):
then I continued, I said, I made a fun movie.
I hope every one of all backgrounds and enjoys. Is
it that hard to say this when you've been given
hundreds of millions of dollars of studio money to make
a summer blockbuster. It feels like Tom Cruise is the
only Hollywood superstar who still gets this. That's what I
don't even think of all my takes, like I think
(04:32):
that is like one of the most tepid, non hot take,
non crazy takes. It has evidently gone mega viral, and
the Superman community of fans is furious at me and
this buck just in the last I don't know little bit.
On social media, I got the following messages sent to
(04:55):
me on Instagram from Superman fans. These are people that
are furious at me. This is a representative sample. I
am deluged in angry Superman fan messages. Here is one
hey word that you can't say on the radio. I
just want to let you know Superman has been an
(05:17):
immigrant since he was created, and that calling stuff woke
means you can't find a good reason to complain. You're
being a bitch, You're an idiot, wrong, you're being used,
You piece of blank. Go kill yourself. James Gunn isn't
the moron you are. Your family will burn for this? WHOA,
(05:43):
your family will burn for this. I gea for my
Superman movie. Take Okay, it's got a good idea to
go mega political.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The this is crazy town? Can I give you? I'm
gonna give you a few things here. First of all,
Superman is not an immigrant. If we're gonna play this
conversation out a little bit, let's do it. Okay, Superman
is an alien. He is not a human being who
is subject to another jurisdiction on this planet and has
citizenship elsewhere. He is from another planet. Now, that to
(06:13):
me is actually a good case, especially when your home
planet has been destroyed, as Superman's has. If I remember
my comic book Lore, Superman, if anything, would be an
asylum seeker. Oh, unlike all of the people who are
showing up in America pretending that their planet was blown up,
so to speak, pretending they can't go back to their
(06:34):
home country, they are just fraudsters. So Superman is an alien,
not an illegal alien, but an actual alien from another planet,
does not have a jurisdiction on planet Earth that he
should be in other than America. And I think under
any reasonable view of asylum law, his home planet is gone,
(07:01):
so I don't think he can go back. So I
think that you could say he's a credible assyle. Okay,
you that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You are gonna be nerding out because my wife is
a superhero movie junkie super nerd. All the boys go
to all the movies and everything else. She actually was
upset that all the super Superman. People are mad at me,
and she sent me this because you're gonna build on this.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Buck. She's also a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
She said, they're totally wrong, and she said, what you
just said, Buck, Superman is actually a true asylum seeker.
His planet was destroyed, all his culture and people are destroyed.
His first landing is on American soil in Kansas. This
is Laura Travis Lawyer. He's orphaned as his parents die,
(07:54):
so he's legally adopted by the Kents, who are American citizens,
thus giving him Americans citizenship even if not for one
and two. He has unique talents of great use to
the US that would be impossible to find after a
thorough search for other candidates, thus qualifying him for eb
DASH one, a controversially visa and legal channel to full citizenship.
(08:18):
On top of all this, he ends up being one
of the most productive and useful members of society, choosing
to hold two full time jobs as both a journalist
and a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Crime fighting superhero. Now this is as absolutely, absolutely spot
on Crew, I didn't know that that was I didn't
know the Laura had written any of that. It's absolutely correct.
So the people that are the director of this movie
saying he's just like an immigrant. No jackass, that's not
even that's not even vaguely correct.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And this also builds on something that I that I
was getting at when this went megaviral.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I would believe if you gave me buck if.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
If you and I, if I left this show and
I suddenly became a Hollywood movie director, if you gave
me hundreds of millions of dollars to make a movie,
it might well end an utter disaster. Remember Fox had
to sell off the lot at the Pico and Motor
part of it where the Westfield Mall is now for
those of you out in LA, because they lost so
(09:16):
much money on Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor back in the
day for the movie nerds. So it may well end
inn unmitigated disaster and the company might lose tons of money.
But it wouldn't be because I said to half the country, hey,
I'm trying to make an intensely political movie. I would
go full Michael Jordan Republicans by sneakers too. I don't
(09:38):
think it would have been smart of James Gunn to say, hey,
I think it's super timely that Superman would come out
right now because Donald Trump is a super president, and
he's super man like in the way that he responded
to the assassination attempt. And I think that if you
hate Trump, you shouldn't come see this movie. Well, that
(10:00):
wouldn't be smart, right, I actually would agree with that take,
But it wouldn't be smart if you're trying to appeal
to the whole swath of America. And I mean, look,
we got a lot of people who listen in LA
and we've talked about this before. When is Hollywood going
to recognize that the reason why Tom Cruise is the
last Superstar is because he just wants to make a
(10:23):
political popcorn movies that everybody can sit and watch that
aren't trying to indoctrinate you in any way and are
just about entertaining you for a great summer movie, right.
I just I don't understand why these people can't get
it through their heads that a political entertainment that everybody
(10:45):
can watch it should be the goal.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
No, because the goal these are communists. Their goal is
the indoctrination they view that they've reached a point like
James Gunn is already very rich, already has all the
connections he needs, it is more important to him to
make a movie that he can virtue signal to his
lib friends in Hollywood about than to make a movie
(11:09):
that makes a ton of money. At this point, like
if he has to choose between those two things otherwise,
how do you explain things like snow White, which was
an absolute disaster, hundreds of millions lost, and we knew
it was gonna lose money the whole time. We're not
making that movie. But it's because they're so ideologically committed
that it is not profit motive. First, that's what they
used to say. I might add. Then you say, oh,
(11:30):
it's we're just doing what makes money. That's not true.
They care more about the mission of indoctrination than they
do making money with these films. And you see it
over and over again, because every time we say this
is going to be a disaster, there's gonna be a bomb.
But pretty much is the only exception of that is
the Barbie movie, which was so bad, was so bad.
(11:52):
I've still never seen it. I watched I couldn't get
through it. I tried, I watched some of it. I'm like,
this is just trash, trash.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It is that just it was successful because they were
just they were marketing. It was Gerley to women, and
it's like girl it was a whole girl power thing,
like oh like Barbie and the nostalgia and everything else.
It is an absolutely garbage movie, absolutely garbage movie. And
I you know, just like people Clay I used to
say that Hamilton was garbage.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
When people were waiting in line for like three days
for tickets. Okay, I was like, guys, I just know
it's garbage, and it is garbage. And now more and
more people agree with me because it's just what it is. Barbie. Eventually,
everyone's gonna realize nonsense. And don't get me started on Avatar,
those of you who like Avatar. But Avatar is not
to me as aggressively political. I know, James cam Fern
(12:41):
Gully with some laser guns or whatever. It's preposterous.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It made it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It made a lot. I think that there. It didn't
make a lot of It didn't make a lot of
but that was because the technology. It wasn't because of
the storyline. It was because of the three D and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm just telling you, somebody out there in Hollywood is
going to get smart enough to just say I'm not
hiring any of these woke bs moron people. We're just
gonna like, whoever Tom Cruise wants to work with, we're
gonna double triple, quadruple down with him. All he cares
about is making movies that are gonna be super entertaining,
(13:13):
and that's what we're gonna focus on. And you're gonna
mint money. You are gonna make money hand over fist
because I just see stuff like this all the time
and it just makes me throw my hands up. Because
I wanted to go see Superman. I mean, I'm a
you know, middle America guy, like I like to go
sit in the movies and have popcorn. I still like
going to the movie theater. I want to go see
(13:36):
the new Jurassic Park, even though I'm sure it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh total track, Michael Crichton is rolling over in his grave,
good Heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I enjoy seeing dinosaurs on the movie screen. I like
seeing fighter jets blow things up. I mean, I am
the average American consumer. Why would you alienate anybody from Superman?
You could easily say Superman is an aspirational that is
about everyone fulfilling the best possible abilities of their own
(14:07):
innate gifts. Like it's so easy to sell this movie.
Just don't tell me that it's political and about immigration.
By the way, when most people are opposed right now
to the immigration policies. Not even fifty to fifty we
talked about this. It's like sixty five thirty five The
guys a moron. Anyway, I thought you guys would enjoy it.
(14:28):
I do think it's important culturally, But there's people out
there that are furious at me for saying, hey, you know,
maybe Superman should just kind of appeal to everybody and
not be some sort of woke version of Hollywood fantasy.
And when you say that, the little fanboys come running
and tell me my family should burn.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
My family should burn for my Superman take of all things.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Welcome back into play and Buck. So we were just
talking movies and Clay was sharing his thoughts on the
Superman movie. We didn't get to this though, what is
the best Superman? Well, I think it's clear the best
Superman of all time, other than of course our friend
Dean Kan, who's fantastic as a person. But I don't
(16:24):
think the Superman show pounds because that's a show, not
a movie. We're talking movies. Just clearing the category here
would be uh, you know what I'm talking about, the
guy the Superman guy that he was the Superman for
years in the Super Chris for Reef, thank you. That's
the best Superman. That's the best Superman. I think, no
question about it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And uh, the other Dean Kane, Dean Kin's probably listening
right now.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Maybe he wants to call in. No no, I said,
we love Dean, we love Deed. But that's a show.
That's not a movie.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're talking movies Heregories, it's going super political here, you know,
I'm going back trying to have it all for everybody.
Christopher Reeve was a great Superman in when that came
out in nineteen seventy eight, the Original Superman.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Those movies also were just you can watch them with
your whole family, yes, and and it was good versus evil,
and it just they're like it was like a fun,
good experience to watch them. And they're really in some
ways almost like you know, the modern modern Fable or
modern modern asops family. You know, it's just I thought
(17:29):
it did really, you know, it was just great stuff.
And they can't make a damn good Superman Superman movie
to save their lives anymore. Even they had the super
handsome guy Henry Cavill his Superman movies trash trash? Why
is it so hard? Clay? I could write a good
Superman movie in a week.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I feel like DC comics in general have really kind
of bombed compared to the Marvel movies. And I got
I got still more takes. But but just.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
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(18:58):
can't remember it's it's yea, actually you but I just
got too excited. Sorry, but you do the next one.
We got calls coming in, we got Superman takes flying.
Speaking speaking of Superman. Just wanted to be clear, sounds
like Obama. Let me be clear. I want to be clear.
Our friend Nick Adams, Nick Adams has been nominated by
(19:26):
the Commander in Chief, Donald Trump himself to be the
US Ambassador to Malaysia. This is this is reported, This
is real, and it looks like Malaysia may have a
true Trump, alpha male extraordinaire as their ambassador. Clay and
(19:47):
I just think that Clay and Buck's excellent adventure may
have to include a visit to the Ambo's residence in
Malaysia at some point, you know, we'll do the show
live from Malaysia. Nick Adams can walk around the streets
of Kuala Lumpur talking to the youth about how to
be in alpha. I think this could be amazing. But this,
(20:09):
this is a real story. Would you have any interest
in being an ambassador? Not at this stage in my life.
If I were, you know, older, and I had already
done the stuff with the kids, sure, but but you
have to throw already raised my children, I think I'd
willing to do it. But if I'm still raising kids,
I think I want to stay here in the good
old USAFA.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Where would you want to go? Oh see, I'm eight
years so the reason I ask. My youngest is ten,
so in eight years, in theory he'll be off to college.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So I have, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
When I see all these ambassador things coming out, I'm like,
that seems like a really fun job. Now I know
there's some countries you could go to where it's like, whoh,
this is a really really serious job. I'm talking I'm
not talking about that you want to be the US
ambassador to Pakistan? Like that's like serious security risks and
you could get you know, it's that's a real job Ukraine.
(21:06):
I presume we have an ambassadorship in some way in Ukraine,
like that would be pretty tough, but there are lots
of countries where it isn't actually very dangerous at all
that it seems like it would be kind of an
amazing job.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I mean, I think the obvious answer would be either
I would want to go like truly in English, you know,
in English speaking country that I'd probably be like Australia.
I'd probably say Australia. I be top of the list. UK.
You can't go wrong with the UK either. I don't
know Paris French people, I don't know. I'd stick with
(21:39):
English speaking, so I'd say either Australia the UK. I
wouldn't want to do Canada. I love you Canada, but
too cold, too cold. Also it's cold, and also like
you're really still close to America. Like the challenge is
I think you're only allowed I was talking to one
of the ambassadors recently because I was curious about it,
and he said he's been confirmed, but he said, the
biggest challenge is you. I think you're only allowed to
(22:00):
come back to the States for two weeks during your ambassadorship.
In other words, it would make sense you need to
stay in the country in the event that you might
be needed. But most people come back around Thanksgiving or
Christmas sometimes to be able to experience, but otherwise you're
supposed to be in your you know, country, And I
think that's for some people. They find that out and
(22:21):
then they're like, oh, because a lot of the people
who are getting these jobs are able to travel sometimes
around the world and suddenly you're locked in. But I
saw this congratulations to Nick. Malaysia seems like it would
be kind of an awesome place to be an ambassador too.
I mean, I've never been to Malaysia, but it does.
It's actually a really dynamic, cool posting that's not like
a no offense to a small Caribbean nation, but it's
(22:43):
not like a vacation spot that we just happen to
have an embassy, right you know, this is this would
be interesting for sure. So I just want to point out,
though we're talking Superman and Alpha males, Nick Adams never
waivered in his support for Trump, and now he is
going to be looks like he's going to be ambassador
to Malaysia. So it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We got a couple of people weighing in here that
will let me find the absolute latest. Here Lynn in
Saint George, Utah. What you got for is Lynn, I've
never Jay.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I love your show.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Thank you so much for listening. You can turn down
your radio in the background a little bit. I heard
a fabulous voice. But as much as I enjoy that,
I don't know that I need to hear myself as well.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
But yeah, fabulous and wonderful.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Well, I called in to say that. You know, I
went in front of the new Jurassic movie and I
just have to say, you'll love it. It was entertaining,
it was great and just a lot of fun, but
super so.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If you like dinosaurs and you don't hate fun, which
means Buck is out of the equation here, then you
will probably like the new Jurassic Park movie. Kids will
as well, I would imagine, because my kids love the
dinosaur movies, which is what I'll be taking them too.
What do you think about this the Superman controversy?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Are you with me? Like, why in the world would
you say anything political?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah? I think it's ridiculous. I think Superman is our
hero and you love to go and see him, and
I was excited to hear it was coming out, but
will not be going to the new ones at all.
I think it's terrible to politicize it. We all want
to have some fun and enjoy the movies and there's
too much going on. My great niece was killed by
an illegal just two years ago, so immigration is not
(24:23):
on my radar to go and see a movie. And
I think it's terrible to put the Superman in that
kind of, you know, situation. I think, he.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Why why is every other country? Thank you for calling in?
I think about this place. Why is every other country
pretty much in the world right? I mean, there's some
European countries that I think have have gone down the
same pathway as us on this, but all I'll put
it this way.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
All not.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I cannot think of a country that is non white
majority that receives international pressure and internal domestic political pressure
to take unlimited people from all over the rest of
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the world of different languages and cultures, et cetera, illegally yea,
or legally for that matter. But why is that? Like, no,
no one sits around having long conversations like why doesn't
Why isn't China. It's a very big country with a
lot of space. Then they've got a lot of people.
No one's sitting around saying, well, China's the second biggest
economy in the world. Why aren't they taking all the
Syrian refugees in?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, this is why I said, I'm either going to
be beloved in Japan or hated, because I said I
got interviewed about the Superman controversy in Japan, which gave
me some sense that it kind of had gotten large,
And the guy interviewing me was like, well, you know,
what do you think about the immigrant angle? I said,
let me ask you a question. If I were traveling
with my wife and she were pregnant and she happened
(25:53):
to have a baby in Japan, would my kid be Japanese?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And he said no.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I said, oh, it's interesting because if your wife were
traveling in the United States and she happened to have
a baby in the United States, your kid would be American.
Does that make sense to you? Again, this birthright citizenship
thing is I think a real argument that needs to
be won, and when you actually look into it, far
from being unwelcoming, racist, xenophobic, most countries do not allow
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you to become a citizen simply because you're born on
the soil. And I've made this argument, I've written it,
Hardly anybody knows it. The only reason why we had
by soil birthright citizenship, and this is true for almost
any country in the New World, is because when we
were colonies, there was a fear that if you came
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over here from Great Britain and you started to build
a family here and you decided you wanted your kid
to go back to London one day, that that kid
would not be a British subject. So when you were
born in a colony of Great Britain, you were still
a citizen of Great Britain. When you were born in
a colony of Portugal or Spain or France, you were
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still a citizen.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But you're still subject to the jurisdiction thereof you're still
a British subject. Eating irony.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
The irony here to me, Buck is the people who
claim that they hate colonization are actually arguing for a
relic of colonization when they are saying birthright citizenships should
still exist. Now, that doesn't even consider that the historical
elements of it wasn't like you could know you were
pregnant in much of history and decide to travel to
(27:38):
a country to have a baby after you became pregnant.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You certainly couldn't hop on a plane and go eight
thousand miles and put yourself in whatever country has the
most generous welfare benefits that that was not possible when
we were thinking about these things back in the day.
It actually used to be the case that it was
quite risky, defensive, and dangerous to even set foot on
American shores. Yes, right, so.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We'll try to get here. God forbid. I mean, you
look at the history of how people what they had
to do to get here from all backgrounds, Like the
travel on ship was not very luxurious. I mean it
was a brutal, brutal trip that everybody had to take
to get here. By the way, Joe in Massachusetts, I
wouldn't have expected this. He runs a Superman fan page. Okay, Joe,
(28:29):
what are you seeing? Is the talk on the Superman
fan page? Political? Did I step into this hornet's nest
and have no idea what was happening?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
No? No, you hit it right on the nail. Dude,
First of all, longtime listener, first time caller, I love
you guys. I'm a huge Superman fan. I'm a huge
Trump fan. Listen. I want to push back on this
idea that Superman is kind of a political symbol for immigration.
I get that he came from another planet, but he's
not an immigrant. He's an orphan. He didn't choose to
(28:58):
come here. He was sent here as a baby, be
alone because this world was literally blowing up. He was
adopted by two small town Americans in Kansas who raised
him with traditional values, not global politics. He grew up.
He grew up as Clark Tent, a farm kid, not
an alien trying to assimilate. So turning him into a
political metaphor just it just cheapens the story. For me,
(29:20):
Superman represents universal values like truth, justice, and protecting innocent,
like you mentioned before, not some policy debates. So we
need to stop shoehorning modern politics into these classic and
timeless characters that we have. It's just ruining him in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I know, what is what is Superman's position on
on trans competition in you know, women's sports? You know,
were you were?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You blown away that the director decided to step directly
into the political arena given to your point, you're a
Trump voting Superman fan. I imagine superhero fandom is pretty
evenly distributed across the political spectrum, Democrat, Republican, and don't
care at all about politics. Like I just couldn't believe
that he was this dumb.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, I think it was a mistake on his part.
And the other problem is too, is that Clay, you know,
are the right leaning Superman fan base is got to
be silent because we'll be you know, we'll be canceled
in a heartbeat as soon as we speak up about this.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So but what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You get canceled on the fan message board? I mean,
what is cancel you should look like in the Superman fandom.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Oh if you if you lean right and publicly acknowledge it,
your your page is marked for black blacklist.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I mean, you're you're done, really.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Even in the superhero community like that fandom, like you're
not allowed to be a Trump guy.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Here's a nauseating thing that they're doing. There's people making
an argument online that saying that truth justice and a
better tomorrow is better than truth justice in the American way,
which if we're still this beacon of hope that everybody
seems to enter this country or uh, what's wrong with
saying we're in the American way? The arguments are are ridiculous.
(31:01):
They're nauseating, and I wish they would just separate politics
from this movie. It was the worst thing that James
Gunn could have done.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh. Absolutely, But you know, Joe, you're standing strong. Do
not kneel before Zod, my friend. Do not do it.
Don't don't let them get you.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Okay, Well, and I appreciate all that you guys do.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Keep it up. Thank you guys, Thank you man, thank you.
Let's get Oh we got a VIP email here from
Ann agree on Superman and Gene Hackman was the best
Lex Luthor. I forgot Gene Hackman was in the movie.
I did forget that too, So I can't necessarily weigh
in heavily on that one. But I do think that
(31:41):
those Superman movies. I remember that those Superman movies, like
when I went to camp in the late eighties early
nineties and it was a rainy day. I feel like
we always had the Superman movies. That was what they
always would go to because people like them. There was
no real violence, I mean, no one. You know, people
are shooting raised out of their eyes and flying around.
It's not really violent stuff. But yeah, I'm not gonna
(32:03):
go see this. Though I'm not gonna go see the
Superman movie. I have to say, I think it's probably
gonna be trash because all the other ones that I've
seen recently, which is not you know, it was in
the gym yesterday, Clay, and there was a Superman that
wasn't a Superman movie. I guess it was a Avengers
or one of those movies, and Ben Affleck was Superman.
I didn't even know that was a thing, ben.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Affleck, that was Batman versus Superman. I think Ben Affleck
was in the DC comic movie. And I'm now sounding
like the nerd, but I believe that was the movie.
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Now, I think that dangling a baby video performance is
not a bad bad and they're on YouTube and you're
going to be able to grab a clip and send
it to them and say, hey, just watch this and
maybe you can start to influence them at a place
where they spend all their time. I'm telling you my
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
You to have a little bit of fun here, and
this is all real. But I want to.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How funny is that Wolf Blitzer clip? I mean that
he would I mean, for everybody out there watching, he
is held up as one of the brainiacs of CNN, right,
wouldn't you say? That's probably fair to say that Wolf
Flitzer is seen as one of the smarter guys on
the air at CNN.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think that's probably fair. Well, I don't know if
it's as a result of his Jeopardy appearance, but people
have been suggesting that he's like the confused fool for
a while now, Okay, I think so, but I don't know,
to be fair, he's probably I mean, he's got to
be over seventy now, right, like that clip was from
two thousand and nine. I will say, I will say
I have heard from people within this CNN world for
(00:59):
a long time. He's actually pretty I've heard super nice guy. Yeah,
he's a nice guy. So I will give him a
pollo credit on he's apparently a good dude, and we're
having a little bit of fun at his expense. But
he's paid millions of dollars and he's had a good run,
and so you know. But he is apparently unlike most
of the CNN anchors, and I could go through chapter
and verse, he's apparently a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
To be fair, if I went on Celebrity Jeopardy and
I lost five thousand dollars, it would go insanely megaviral,
and I would I mean, I would have to own it, right,
but all the clips of me missing the questions and
everything else, it would Actually it would probably be better
for me to go and lose a ton of money
(01:39):
than to win a ton of money, because if I
won tons of money, nobody would share it. They would
be like, oh whatever, Klay Travis, still stupid meany head
more on, if I lost like five thousand dollars, everybody
that hates me would share it, So it probably would
go more viral for a collapse than actually being successful.
Okay tweeted this last night. I got a sense that
(02:04):
my take this is all real. I got a sense
that my take on Superman the New movie had gone
megaviral because yesterday I woke up and I had an
email from a japan news agency asking if they could
interview me for my take on the New Superman movie.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So when you see the Suntori commercials with Clay Travis
in them or supporto, you will know that this is
that Clay's big in Japan. Let's just say it, Clay
is big in Japan.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
In my entire career of telling tons of sharing, tons
of opinions on everything under the sun, there has never
been any request for me to be interviewed by any
Japanese news agency.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, well, cook, I think the one part we have
to let everybody know, though, is that the director James
Gunn I used to be. I will say, if we
were talking like late nineties, early two thousands movies, I
was absolutely dialed in. I have my favorite directors, my
favorite actors, you know, excited about I don't even know
(03:10):
who's I don't know who's been directing movies for the
last ten years. I basically have no idea. I don't
pay attention because I think most movies absolutely stink. Almost
all of them absolutely stink. Now he said something though,
Here's the quote. Here's the James Gunn quote. So this
is where it all started.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
On in Variety magazine, which is like a Hollywood celebrity magazine,
shared a story and said, James Gunn says Superman is
about an immigrant that came from other places. How we've
lost the value of basic human kindness. Yes, it's about politics.
(03:45):
That was James Gunn's take. He is the director of
the new Superman movie that is opening. I think it
maybe already are out or opening today or whatever else,
I tweeted three days ago, And this is true. I'm
gonna skip seeing Superman. The director is a moron to
say this publicly the week before release. America is desperate
for a political entertainment. Hollywood's unable to deliver it. And
(04:10):
then I continued, I said, I made a fun movie.
I hope every one of all backgrounds and enjoys. Is
it that hard to say this when you've been given
hundreds of millions of dollars of studio money to make
a summer blockbuster. It feels like Tom Cruise is the
only Hollywood superstar who still gets this. That's what I
don't even think of all my takes, like I think
(04:32):
that is like one of the most tepid, non hot take,
non crazy takes. It has evidently gone mega viral, and
the Superman community of fans is furious at me and
this buck just in the last I don't know little bit.
On social media, I got the following messages sent to
(04:55):
me on Instagram from Superman fans. These are people that
are furious at me. This is a representative sample. I
am deluged in angry Superman fan messages. Here is one
hey word that you can't say on the radio. I
just want to let you know Superman has been an
(05:17):
immigrant since he was created, and that calling stuff woke
means you can't find a good reason to complain. You're
being a bitch, You're an idiot, wrong, you're being used,
You piece of blank. Go kill yourself. James Gunn isn't
the moron you are. Your family will burn for this? WHOA,
(05:43):
your family will burn for this. I gea for my
Superman movie. Take Okay, it's got a good idea to
go mega political.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
The this is crazy town? Can I give you? I'm
gonna give you a few things here. First of all,
Superman is not an immigrant. If we're gonna play this
conversation out a little bit, let's do it. Okay, Superman
is an alien. He is not a human being who
is subject to another jurisdiction on this planet and has
citizenship elsewhere. He is from another planet. Now, that to
(06:13):
me is actually a good case, especially when your home
planet has been destroyed, as Superman's has. If I remember
my comic book Lore, Superman, if anything, would be an
asylum seeker. Oh, unlike all of the people who are
showing up in America pretending that their planet was blown up,
so to speak, pretending they can't go back to their
(06:34):
home country, they are just fraudsters. So Superman is an alien,
not an illegal alien, but an actual alien from another planet,
does not have a jurisdiction on planet Earth that he
should be in other than America. And I think under
any reasonable view of asylum law, his home planet is gone,
(07:01):
so I don't think he can go back. So I
think that you could say he's a credible assyle. Okay,
you that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You are gonna be nerding out because my wife is
a superhero movie junkie super nerd. All the boys go
to all the movies and everything else. She actually was
upset that all the super Superman. People are mad at me,
and she sent me this because you're gonna build on this.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Buck. She's also a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
She said, they're totally wrong, and she said, what you
just said, Buck, Superman is actually a true asylum seeker.
His planet was destroyed, all his culture and people are destroyed.
His first landing is on American soil in Kansas. This
is Laura Travis Lawyer. He's orphaned as his parents die,
(07:54):
so he's legally adopted by the Kents, who are American citizens,
thus giving him Americans citizenship even if not for one
and two. He has unique talents of great use to
the US that would be impossible to find after a
thorough search for other candidates, thus qualifying him for eb
DASH one, a controversially visa and legal channel to full citizenship.
(08:18):
On top of all this, he ends up being one
of the most productive and useful members of society, choosing
to hold two full time jobs as both a journalist
and a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Crime fighting superhero. Now this is as absolutely, absolutely spot
on Crew, I didn't know that that was I didn't
know the Laura had written any of that. It's absolutely correct.
So the people that are the director of this movie
saying he's just like an immigrant. No jackass, that's not
even that's not even vaguely correct.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And this also builds on something that I that I
was getting at when this went megaviral.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I would believe if you gave me buck if.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
If you and I, if I left this show and
I suddenly became a Hollywood movie director, if you gave
me hundreds of millions of dollars to make a movie,
it might well end an utter disaster. Remember Fox had
to sell off the lot at the Pico and Motor
part of it where the Westfield Mall is now for
those of you out in LA, because they lost so
(09:16):
much money on Cleopatra with Elizabeth Taylor back in the
day for the movie nerds. So it may well end
inn unmitigated disaster and the company might lose tons of money.
But it wouldn't be because I said to half the country, hey,
I'm trying to make an intensely political movie. I would
go full Michael Jordan Republicans by sneakers too. I don't
(09:38):
think it would have been smart of James Gunn to say, hey,
I think it's super timely that Superman would come out
right now because Donald Trump is a super president, and
he's super man like in the way that he responded
to the assassination attempt. And I think that if you
hate Trump, you shouldn't come see this movie. Well, that
(10:00):
wouldn't be smart, right, I actually would agree with that take,
But it wouldn't be smart if you're trying to appeal
to the whole swath of America. And I mean, look,
we got a lot of people who listen in LA
and we've talked about this before. When is Hollywood going
to recognize that the reason why Tom Cruise is the
last Superstar is because he just wants to make a
(10:23):
political popcorn movies that everybody can sit and watch that
aren't trying to indoctrinate you in any way and are
just about entertaining you for a great summer movie, right.
I just I don't understand why these people can't get
it through their heads that a political entertainment that everybody
(10:45):
can watch it should be the goal.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
No, because the goal these are communists. Their goal is
the indoctrination they view that they've reached a point like
James Gunn is already very rich, already has all the
connections he needs, it is more important to him to
make a movie that he can virtue signal to his
lib friends in Hollywood about than to make a movie
(11:09):
that makes a ton of money. At this point, like
if he has to choose between those two things otherwise,
how do you explain things like snow White, which was
an absolute disaster, hundreds of millions lost, and we knew
it was gonna lose money the whole time. We're not
making that movie. But it's because they're so ideologically committed
that it is not profit motive. First, that's what they
used to say. I might add. Then you say, oh,
(11:30):
it's we're just doing what makes money. That's not true.
They care more about the mission of indoctrination than they
do making money with these films. And you see it
over and over again, because every time we say this
is going to be a disaster, there's gonna be a bomb.
But pretty much is the only exception of that is
the Barbie movie, which was so bad, was so bad.
(11:52):
I've still never seen it. I watched I couldn't get
through it. I tried, I watched some of it. I'm like,
this is just trash, trash.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It is that just it was successful because they were
just they were marketing. It was Gerley to women, and
it's like girl it was a whole girl power thing,
like oh like Barbie and the nostalgia and everything else.
It is an absolutely garbage movie, absolutely garbage movie. And
I you know, just like people Clay I used to
say that Hamilton was garbage.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
When people were waiting in line for like three days
for tickets. Okay, I was like, guys, I just know
it's garbage, and it is garbage. And now more and
more people agree with me because it's just what it is. Barbie. Eventually,
everyone's gonna realize nonsense. And don't get me started on Avatar,
those of you who like Avatar. But Avatar is not
to me as aggressively political. I know, James cam Fern
(12:41):
Gully with some laser guns or whatever. It's preposterous.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It made it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It made a lot. I think that there. It didn't
make a lot of It didn't make a lot of
but that was because the technology. It wasn't because of
the storyline. It was because of the three D and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm just telling you, somebody out there in Hollywood is
going to get smart enough to just say I'm not
hiring any of these woke bs moron people. We're just
gonna like, whoever Tom Cruise wants to work with, we're
gonna double triple, quadruple down with him. All he cares
about is making movies that are gonna be super entertaining,
(13:13):
and that's what we're gonna focus on. And you're gonna
mint money. You are gonna make money hand over fist
because I just see stuff like this all the time
and it just makes me throw my hands up. Because
I wanted to go see Superman. I mean, I'm a
you know, middle America guy, like I like to go
sit in the movies and have popcorn. I still like
going to the movie theater. I want to go see
(13:36):
the new Jurassic Park, even though I'm sure it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Oh total track, Michael Crichton is rolling over in his grave,
good Heaven.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I enjoy seeing dinosaurs on the movie screen. I like
seeing fighter jets blow things up. I mean, I am
the average American consumer. Why would you alienate anybody from Superman?
You could easily say Superman is an aspirational that is
about everyone fulfilling the best possible abilities of their own
(14:07):
innate gifts. Like it's so easy to sell this movie.
Just don't tell me that it's political and about immigration.
By the way, when most people are opposed right now
to the immigration policies. Not even fifty to fifty we
talked about this. It's like sixty five thirty five The
guys a moron. Anyway, I thought you guys would enjoy it.
(14:28):
I do think it's important culturally, But there's people out
there that are furious at me for saying, hey, you know,
maybe Superman should just kind of appeal to everybody and
not be some sort of woke version of Hollywood fantasy.
And when you say that, the little fanboys come running
and tell me my family should burn.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
My family should burn for my Superman take of all things.
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Welcome back into play and Buck. So we were just
talking movies and Clay was sharing his thoughts on the
Superman movie. We didn't get to this though, what is
the best Superman? Well, I think it's clear the best
Superman of all time, other than of course our friend
Dean Kan, who's fantastic as a person. But I don't
(16:24):
think the Superman show pounds because that's a show, not
a movie. We're talking movies. Just clearing the category here
would be uh, you know what I'm talking about, the
guy the Superman guy that he was the Superman for
years in the Super Chris for Reef, thank you. That's
the best Superman. That's the best Superman. I think, no
question about it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And uh, the other Dean Kane, Dean Kin's probably listening
right now.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Maybe he wants to call in. No no, I said,
we love Dean, we love Deed. But that's a show.
That's not a movie.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We're talking movies Heregories, it's going super political here, you know,
I'm going back trying to have it all for everybody.
Christopher Reeve was a great Superman in when that came
out in nineteen seventy eight, the Original Superman.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Those movies also were just you can watch them with
your whole family, yes, and and it was good versus evil,
and it just they're like it was like a fun,
good experience to watch them. And they're really in some
ways almost like you know, the modern modern Fable or
modern modern asops family. You know, it's just I thought
(17:29):
it did really, you know, it was just great stuff.
And they can't make a damn good Superman Superman movie
to save their lives anymore. Even they had the super
handsome guy Henry Cavill his Superman movies trash trash? Why
is it so hard? Clay? I could write a good
Superman movie in a week.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I feel like DC comics in general have really kind
of bombed compared to the Marvel movies. And I got
I got still more takes. But but just.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Make movies everybody can love. Just make them design for everybody.
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can't remember it's it's yea, actually you but I just
got too excited. Sorry, but you do the next one.
We got calls coming in, we got Superman takes flying.
Speaking speaking of Superman. Just wanted to be clear, sounds
like Obama. Let me be clear. I want to be clear.
Our friend Nick Adams, Nick Adams has been nominated by
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the Commander in Chief, Donald Trump himself to be the
US Ambassador to Malaysia. This is this is reported, This
is real, and it looks like Malaysia may have a
true Trump, alpha male extraordinaire as their ambassador. Clay and
(19:47):
I just think that Clay and Buck's excellent adventure may
have to include a visit to the Ambo's residence in
Malaysia at some point, you know, we'll do the show
live from Malaysia. Nick Adams can walk around the streets
of Kuala Lumpur talking to the youth about how to
be in alpha. I think this could be amazing. But this,
(20:09):
this is a real story. Would you have any interest
in being an ambassador? Not at this stage in my life.
If I were, you know, older, and I had already
done the stuff with the kids, sure, but but you
have to throw already raised my children, I think I'd
willing to do it. But if I'm still raising kids,
I think I want to stay here in the good
old USAFA.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Where would you want to go? Oh see, I'm eight
years so the reason I ask. My youngest is ten,
so in eight years, in theory he'll be off to college.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So I have, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
When I see all these ambassador things coming out, I'm like,
that seems like a really fun job. Now I know
there's some countries you could go to where it's like, whoh,
this is a really really serious job. I'm talking I'm
not talking about that you want to be the US
ambassador to Pakistan? Like that's like serious security risks and
you could get you know, it's that's a real job Ukraine.
(21:06):
I presume we have an ambassadorship in some way in Ukraine,
like that would be pretty tough, but there are lots
of countries where it isn't actually very dangerous at all
that it seems like it would be kind of an
amazing job.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I mean, I think the obvious answer would be either
I would want to go like truly in English, you know,
in English speaking country that I'd probably be like Australia.
I'd probably say Australia. I be top of the list. UK.
You can't go wrong with the UK either. I don't
know Paris French people, I don't know. I'd stick with
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English speaking, so I'd say either Australia the UK. I
wouldn't want to do Canada. I love you Canada, but
too cold, too cold. Also it's cold, and also like
you're really still close to America. Like the challenge is
I think you're only allowed I was talking to one
of the ambassadors recently because I was curious about it,
and he said he's been confirmed, but he said, the
biggest challenge is you. I think you're only allowed to
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come back to the States for two weeks during your ambassadorship.
In other words, it would make sense you need to
stay in the country in the event that you might
be needed. But most people come back around Thanksgiving or
Christmas sometimes to be able to experience, but otherwise you're
supposed to be in your you know, country, And I
think that's for some people. They find that out and
(22:21):
then they're like, oh, because a lot of the people
who are getting these jobs are able to travel sometimes
around the world and suddenly you're locked in. But I
saw this congratulations to Nick. Malaysia seems like it would
be kind of an awesome place to be an ambassador too.
I mean, I've never been to Malaysia, but it does.
It's actually a really dynamic, cool posting that's not like
a no offense to a small Caribbean nation, but it's
(22:43):
not like a vacation spot that we just happen to
have an embassy, right you know, this is this would
be interesting for sure. So I just want to point out,
though we're talking Superman and Alpha males, Nick Adams never
waivered in his support for Trump, and now he is
going to be looks like he's going to be ambassador
to Malaysia. So it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We got a couple of people weighing in here that
will let me find the absolute latest. Here Lynn in
Saint George, Utah. What you got for is Lynn, I've
never Jay.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I love your show.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Thank you so much for listening. You can turn down
your radio in the background a little bit. I heard
a fabulous voice. But as much as I enjoy that,
I don't know that I need to hear myself as well.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
But yeah, fabulous and wonderful.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Well, I called in to say that. You know, I
went in front of the new Jurassic movie and I
just have to say, you'll love it. It was entertaining,
it was great and just a lot of fun, but
super so.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If you like dinosaurs and you don't hate fun, which
means Buck is out of the equation here, then you
will probably like the new Jurassic Park movie. Kids will
as well, I would imagine, because my kids love the
dinosaur movies, which is what I'll be taking them too.
What do you think about this the Superman controversy?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Are you with me? Like, why in the world would
you say anything political?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah? I think it's ridiculous. I think Superman is our
hero and you love to go and see him, and
I was excited to hear it was coming out, but
will not be going to the new ones at all.
I think it's terrible to politicize it. We all want
to have some fun and enjoy the movies and there's
too much going on. My great niece was killed by
an illegal just two years ago, so immigration is not
(24:23):
on my radar to go and see a movie. And
I think it's terrible to put the Superman in that
kind of, you know, situation. I think, he.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Why why is every other country? Thank you for calling in?
I think about this place. Why is every other country
pretty much in the world right? I mean, there's some
European countries that I think have have gone down the
same pathway as us on this, but all I'll put
it this way.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
All not.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I cannot think of a country that is non white
majority that receives international pressure and internal domestic political pressure
to take unlimited people from all over the rest of
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the world of different languages and cultures, et cetera, illegally yea,
or legally for that matter. But why is that? Like, no,
no one sits around having long conversations like why doesn't
Why isn't China. It's a very big country with a
lot of space. Then they've got a lot of people.
No one's sitting around saying, well, China's the second biggest
economy in the world. Why aren't they taking all the
Syrian refugees in?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, this is why I said, I'm either going to
be beloved in Japan or hated, because I said I
got interviewed about the Superman controversy in Japan, which gave
me some sense that it kind of had gotten large,
And the guy interviewing me was like, well, you know,
what do you think about the immigrant angle? I said,
let me ask you a question. If I were traveling
with my wife and she were pregnant and she happened
(25:53):
to have a baby in Japan, would my kid be Japanese?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And he said no.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I said, oh, it's interesting because if your wife were
traveling in the United States and she happened to have
a baby in the United States, your kid would be American.
Does that make sense to you? Again, this birthright citizenship
thing is I think a real argument that needs to
be won, and when you actually look into it, far
from being unwelcoming, racist, xenophobic, most countries do not allow
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you to become a citizen simply because you're born on
the soil. And I've made this argument, I've written it,
Hardly anybody knows it. The only reason why we had
by soil birthright citizenship, and this is true for almost
any country in the New World, is because when we
were colonies, there was a fear that if you came
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over here from Great Britain and you started to build
a family here and you decided you wanted your kid
to go back to London one day, that that kid
would not be a British subject. So when you were
born in a colony of Great Britain, you were still
a citizen of Great Britain. When you were born in
a colony of Portugal or Spain or France, you were
(27:08):
still a citizen.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
But you're still subject to the jurisdiction thereof you're still
a British subject. Eating irony.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
The irony here to me, Buck is the people who
claim that they hate colonization are actually arguing for a
relic of colonization when they are saying birthright citizenships should
still exist. Now, that doesn't even consider that the historical
elements of it wasn't like you could know you were
pregnant in much of history and decide to travel to
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a country to have a baby after you became pregnant.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You certainly couldn't hop on a plane and go eight
thousand miles and put yourself in whatever country has the
most generous welfare benefits that that was not possible when
we were thinking about these things back in the day.
It actually used to be the case that it was
quite risky, defensive, and dangerous to even set foot on
American shores. Yes, right, so.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
We'll try to get here. God forbid. I mean, you
look at the history of how people what they had
to do to get here from all backgrounds, Like the
travel on ship was not very luxurious. I mean it
was a brutal, brutal trip that everybody had to take
to get here. By the way, Joe in Massachusetts, I
wouldn't have expected this. He runs a Superman fan page. Okay, Joe,
(28:29):
what are you seeing? Is the talk on the Superman
fan page? Political? Did I step into this hornet's nest
and have no idea what was happening?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
No? No, you hit it right on the nail. Dude,
First of all, longtime listener, first time caller, I love
you guys. I'm a huge Superman fan. I'm a huge
Trump fan. Listen. I want to push back on this
idea that Superman is kind of a political symbol for immigration.
I get that he came from another planet, but he's
not an immigrant. He's an orphan. He didn't choose to
(28:58):
come here. He was sent here as a baby, be
alone because this world was literally blowing up. He was
adopted by two small town Americans in Kansas who raised
him with traditional values, not global politics. He grew up.
He grew up as Clark Tent, a farm kid, not
an alien trying to assimilate. So turning him into a
political metaphor just it just cheapens the story. For me,
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Superman represents universal values like truth, justice, and protecting innocent,
like you mentioned before, not some policy debates. So we
need to stop shoehorning modern politics into these classic and
timeless characters that we have. It's just ruining him in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I know, what is what is Superman's position on
on trans competition in you know, women's sports? You know,
were you were?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You blown away that the director decided to step directly
into the political arena given to your point, you're a
Trump voting Superman fan. I imagine superhero fandom is pretty
evenly distributed across the political spectrum, Democrat, Republican, and don't
care at all about politics. Like I just couldn't believe
that he was this dumb.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, I think it was a mistake on his part.
And the other problem is too, is that Clay, you know,
are the right leaning Superman fan base is got to
be silent because we'll be you know, we'll be canceled
in a heartbeat as soon as we speak up about this.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So but what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
You get canceled on the fan message board? I mean,
what is cancel you should look like in the Superman fandom.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Oh if you if you lean right and publicly acknowledge it,
your your page is marked for black blacklist.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I mean, you're you're done, really.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Even in the superhero community like that fandom, like you're
not allowed to be a Trump guy.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Here's a nauseating thing that they're doing. There's people making
an argument online that saying that truth justice and a
better tomorrow is better than truth justice in the American way,
which if we're still this beacon of hope that everybody
seems to enter this country or uh, what's wrong with
saying we're in the American way? The arguments are are ridiculous.
(31:01):
They're nauseating, and I wish they would just separate politics
from this movie. It was the worst thing that James
Gunn could have done.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh. Absolutely, But you know, Joe, you're standing strong. Do
not kneel before Zod, my friend. Do not do it.
Don't don't let them get you.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Okay, Well, and I appreciate all that you guys do.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Keep it up. Thank you guys, Thank you man, thank you.
Let's get Oh we got a VIP email here from
Ann agree on Superman and Gene Hackman was the best
Lex Luthor. I forgot Gene Hackman was in the movie.
I did forget that too, So I can't necessarily weigh
in heavily on that one. But I do think that
(31:41):
those Superman movies. I remember that those Superman movies, like
when I went to camp in the late eighties early
nineties and it was a rainy day. I feel like
we always had the Superman movies. That was what they
always would go to because people like them. There was
no real violence, I mean, no one. You know, people
are shooting raised out of their eyes and flying around.
It's not really violent stuff. But yeah, I'm not gonna
(32:03):
go see this. Though I'm not gonna go see the
Superman movie. I have to say, I think it's probably
gonna be trash because all the other ones that I've
seen recently, which is not you know, it was in
the gym yesterday, Clay, and there was a Superman that
wasn't a Superman movie. I guess it was a Avengers
or one of those movies, and Ben Affleck was Superman.
I didn't even know that was a thing, ben.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Affleck, that was Batman versus Superman. I think Ben Affleck
was in the DC comic movie. And I'm now sounding
like the nerd, but I believe that was the movie.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
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Speaker 2 (34:06):
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legal Americans, I might add, Okay, yes, you know, so
there you go, all good things there. And then the
other thing I was gonna say is Clay, Well, I
noticed that yesterday you mentioned our YouTube channel, which we
live is YouTube dot com slash at Claynbuck, So you
gotta put the at in there, YouTube dot com slash
at Clayenbuck. We're gonna be doing more and more video stuff,
(35:13):
especially going into twenty twenty six. We're already putting up
a lot of clips and fun stuff there. But you know,
maybe if we get a few, if we get a
nice bump today in the YouTube channel, we'll throw a
little I'll make a baby speed appearance. My son will
make a baby speed appearance tomorrow on the video for
all of you to see. I am telling you, and
not just because I'm his dad. He is cuteness level
(35:35):
ten out of ten, Huteness level ten out of ten.
So I just wanted to go over one hundred K.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Now, I think that dangling a baby video performance is
not a bad bad and they're on YouTube and you're
going to be able to grab a clip and send
it to them and say, hey, just watch this and
maybe you can start to influence them at a place
where they spend all their time. I'm telling you my
boys are on YouTube and TikTok. That's all they visit.
(36:04):
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