November 29, 2024 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Riley Gaines is with
us now of OutKick And she was a top swimmer
as you will call and swim against the guy who
swam then as a girl. Riley, appreciate you being with us.
The ad that everybody has been talking about post election results,
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So I think after people have seen what really resonated
and what the numbers were. Right now the data are
in and the ad was She's or he meeting Trump
is for you, she meaning Kamala is for they them?
Why was that the single most effective ad of the
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entire multi billion dollar political cycle.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean, first of all, it's great to be on
with you. Look that was as effective as it was
because I mean, and say it again out loud, he
is for you, she is for the them. Can you
imagine our founding fathers hearing that. I mean, they wouldn't
even understand what that means. They wouldn't even be able
to grasp the concept of what is being said. But
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that's the reality of where we are as a nation now.
I mean, it's seemingly that we have an entire political
party that has, at least in terms of elected representation,
and how our media represents this issue that has I
mean embraced this gender ideology movement wholeheartedly. You've got the
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whole pronouncing like we've just stated, but also calling Latino
voters or Latino individuals latin x. I mean, this just
doesn't resonate with your everyday common sense person. It shows
how out of touch with reality the Democratic Party has
become and would certainly continue being if we were to
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have to live through a Harris Walts administration.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Riley, good to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was with you on election night six days ago,
and as the results are coming in, I told you,
I think this election might have been different if Leah
Thomas does not swim against you, and if the absurdity
of that wasn't crystallized, not only with the event itself,
but with you speaking out against it. It happened in Georgia,
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which is a swing state, Riley, you had to swim
against Leah who was from Pennsylvania, which is certainly a
swing state. Sometimes it takes a little while for arguments
to crystallize. Do you think that incident was potentially dispositive
and who ended up winning this race.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You know what, no doubt I do. Actually, it just
really expedited similar to COVID. Honestly, it expedited this which
showed us which leaders were willing to, I mean emphatically
say that men can become women. And again, when you
do that, your credibility has just been compromised on every
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single topic. Why would I believe a word that comes
out of your mouth on any subject if you can,
if you can look at me and say confidently that
men can become women and vice versa, or that men
can get pregnant, or that menstrual products belong in boys' bathrooms. Again,
these things are absurd, and so we saw how it affected,
of course the presidential election. But also I think important
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to note these key Senate races people like I mean
we saw, I mean, compare the two Bob Casey versus
Dave McCormick, or someone even like Ted Cruz versus Colin Alred.
Colin Alred is of course as someone who in the
US House has voted many, many times in favor of
putting men into women's sports. But standing there on the
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debate stage, she says, word for word, look, I'm a Christian,
I'm a father, I would never support these ridiculous ideas
trying to desperately to recant from their positions. And notice
how Kamala Harris was never asked about her stance specifically
on this, and it's because she knew. That's by design.
They knew that this is not a winning issue does
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it pull well in their favor? Therefore they desperately and
effectively honestly try to run from their voting records.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hey, Riley, do you think that what's going on right
now as the Democrats deal with all of their sadness
at the Trump the sweeping Trump victory is what we're
seeing a tactical retreat on the men and women's sports.
Girls playing against our boys playing against girls. Is it
a tactical retreat or is it a true rethink and
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possible repudiation of the trans agenda, which is effectively that
people can change gender.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Look, I don't think they believed it the entire time.
You really mean to tell me outlets like ESPN for example,
or or let's take the UNC double a. Uh, these
are outlets or entities that cover men's sports in women's sports.
You really mean to tell me they believe that men
can become women, that there's no difference between a man
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getting on the softball field versus the baseball field or
a man teeing off of a woman's tea. No, of
course they knew that so so I don't think they
believed it from the very beginning of this whole thing.
But now they're realizing, Okay, society is starting to turn around,
you know, whatever it is, whether it's it's you know,
driven by dollar signs initially, and now they're realizing, you know,
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maybe it's it is kind of this fringe, absurd idea
to to go along with this, to celebrate this, even
like they've done. So. Look, these democrats that are coming out,
I don't think they ever believed it. Actually know for
a fact. I'll tell you I've had the displeasure of
testifying before Congress in the Senate many times. And when
I testified before the Senate I had a Corey Booker
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come up to me before and he said, look, you know,
I played football at Stanford. I could never imagine a
girl on the field with me. And now was before
the testimony or the hearing. And then gets on the
other side of the table and starts grilling me and
votes in favor of this stuff. So again, it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Sounds like Corey Booker. By the way, just if you're wondering, nice,
nice in the green room, but not so nice when
he's up grand standing in Congress.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Right exactly, I want to play this for you because
I know you saw this video and it goes to
what Buck just asked, will they run from this or
will they allow left wing activists to continue to dominate
the discussion? So on CNN guy says, Hey, we're trying
to have an autopsy of what happened in the election
and boys trying to play in girl sports. Just listen
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to this, Riley, and I want you to be able
to react to it.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I think there are a lot of families out there
who don't believe boys should play girls sports.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm at the table.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
When you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Boys.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I'm not going to sit there a second because look,
this is a really heated issue, right and Sea Michael,
I know you, I know that you understand that people
have different views on this. I think out of respect
for Jay, like, let's try.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
To okay, let's cut it there. Out of respect for Jay,
you can't even say what you actually believe You've been
hearing this for years, Riley.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you watch that video, what was your reaction?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, I think it speaks more so to the problem,
even even maybe bigger than the actual concept of men
in women's sports. It's the whole idea of a grown
man telling another grown man how to speak. And again,
normal people are tired, they're tired of the policing of language.
Call it as you see it and never ever apologize.
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And so I mean listening to that, it's just the
oldest form of pushing your ideology onto somebody demand. They
can't even speak against it in front of you. I
was hopeful that they had learned right, like we have
addressed here. We saw people like Morning Joe come out
and say, you know, Democrats have handled this really stupidly,
literally used that word. He said. Eighty five percent of
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Americans agree that men and women's sports is wrong, but
maybe they didn't learn listening to the rest of this panel,
watch a grown man have a full on temper tantrum
for how he addresses, I mean, accurately addresses a human being.
Calling them what they are is peak absurdity. It really is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Craziness. Craziness. Well, we'll have to see how the Democrats
try to deal with this issue going forward to I
think that it is really a symptom of a broader
problem they have, which is the orthodoxy. When the Democrat
left rally got so powerful, so strong, that it became
impossible for the less crazy elements of the Democrat Party
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to control the full on true believers of the Democrat Party.
And it's not just on the transition. I think we
saw this on college campuses where there were kids who were,
you know, taking over buildings at Columbia University and just
throwing this giant tantrum and threatening Jewish students because of
what was going on in Gaza. Like normal people don't
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think that's normal behavior or ethical behavior.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, no, And the irony of this is these college
students have no idea what they're even protesting. They have
no idea. It's the same rent a mob that shows
up to college campuses to protest me when I show
up and speak. They have no idea. But you're right,
I think the infiltration of virtual every realm, every institution
of our society. Uh, I don't believe even it's it's
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necessarily the gender ideology movement that has captured our institutions.
I believe it's our institutions that have have failed so miserable, miserably,
whether it's it's corporate America. We're seeing how that has
played out. We've seen that through Target and bud Light
and things like that. We've seen it, of course, in
our educational realm. We've seen it within our media. We've
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seen it within our government. We've seen it within the
healthcare profession, the medicalization side of things. How we have
doctors entire Even at the end of that clip, if
you were to keep playing that clip, at the end
of it, the guy says, look, don't don't listen to me,
just listen to the American Medical Association or the American
Psychiatric Association. We have entire what used to be considered
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trustworthy institutions and entities and corporations and organizations that have,
uh I mean said it's totally cool to chemically and
surgically castraate children. I mean, we will look back at
this time. I don't know how long from now, ten years,
twenty years, I hope not fifty years, but at some
point we will look back at this time and accurately
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call it what it is, which again speaking to the
medicalization stuff. It's the biggest medical scandal this world has
ever seen. So you're right, it's every realm, even seemingly
are spiritual leaders. I've seen many videos of pastors coming
out now and condemning people saying, you know, they're going
to hell if they have voted for Donald Trump and
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they're quoting scripture, and it's just we're seeing sheep in
Wolve's clothing.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
All of that being said, it was incredible to watch
Trump win. I know you felt very validated for the
arguments you've been making in Riley. You just graduated from
college recently. How encouraging was it to you the number
of young men who just said we're over this and
show up and voted for Trump in record numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Honestly, I'll tell you it's it wasn't really surprising for me.
I think for a couple of reasons. One, young people
value free speech. Young people they're they're you're going up
to college for the first time, you're having to afford
an apartment or whatever it is. So so the economy
I believe was a big part in that. I think
young people too just kind of like to to go
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against the status. QLO I mean, there's that value in
being rebellious, and I think it was seen as voting
for Donald Trump was the rebellious, anti establishment thing to do,
and I think that's largely part of Look, he's got
this iconic mug shot, he's being shot at, he's being indicted,
he's being I mean, they're trying to bankrupt him. All
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of these things that were happening to him that the
Democrats were doing in an attempt to get him to
go away. Really, I think, especially in talking about young people,
it really only made him more relate. More of this
this iconic figure that I believe mobilized people to get
to the polls, and not just men. I think a
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lot of we've we've seen the numbers in the shift,
and even young women compared to four years ago. So
again I think it was it was historic. I mean,
this is really kind of like a once in a
lifetime type of thing. I think, of course, this was
only my second election being able to vote, and this
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time compared to four years ago. I mean, it just
the vibe shift is entirely there, especially among young people.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Riley Gaines you can check out the podcast at OutKick.
Among many other things, she is doing to fight for
the right side of sanity. Riley, keep up the good work.
You were instrumental to this result. Thank you for everything
you did.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Thank you, guys, appreciate you always.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Lake Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
By the way, you watched the new episode I did
of Yellowstone, so now we can talk about it. Carrie
and I watched it. The first five minutes just felt
absolutely bizarre. There's no spoilers here. Okay, if you haven't
seen it yet, too well, I mean there are spoilers,
but I'm saying, like, too bad. Kevin Costner really thought
he had something better to do than this show. Is
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that what it came down to. That seems so strange
to me.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And I don't know how many of you out there
watch Yellowstone, but it's the most popular television show in America.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think I.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Told you that you should watch it years ago on
this show, Buck and So they've had a multi year
hiatus while they've been fighting over whether Kevin Costner was
going to come back or not, and ultimately he just
refused to come back.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So they had to write him off.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And I just look, he put in the time and
effort on that show. Why not close it out in
a way where the people who've invested in that show
are gonna really appreciate the work that he put in, right, Like,
I what better thing is he making? And I can't
imagine that there's not a dollar figure they could have
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reached an agreement on. Does that make sense? Like at
some point it would be like if you watch the
Avengers movies, if Robert Downey Junior was just like, yeah,
I'm not gonna play Iron Man anymore. Well, there's got
to be a dollar figure where you can come to
an agreement because people who've invested in that show and
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it's been very successful want to find a way to
finish it successfully. And I think it just it undercuts
everything massively the way that that final episode's playing out
right now. I watched it last night. I was excited
to watch it. I've been waiting for several years. I
really like the show. I think Taylor Sheridan's done a
great job with that one. There's a new one with
Billy Bob Thornton about Texas Oil that looks frankly incredible
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it's got Billy, Bob Thornton, John on Ham and another famous,
super incredible actress in it. I can't remember who it was,
but I need a new show to watch. With the
election now being done and with football season moving towards
the close for the spring, I'm ready for a couple
of new shows to be able to kick back and watch.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I could definitely use a new show these days. I'm
I'm kind of I've kind of run dry on that,
so I'm hopeful that something really good comes up. I
don't know the Yellowstone. It might have jumped the shark
a little bit here for me though, the whole like
faked suicide thing, and it's getting a little crazy, and
I just didn't I think Kevin Coster bailed out to
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make some movies that have done really poorly. Is that right.
I don't even know what they are, but he did some.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I think that's correct. And look, I mean, Kevin Costner
is incredibly talented. He made that show with his portrayal
of John Dutton Penguin.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I just realized I've started with Penguin now carry and
I watched it with her dad. It's not a superhero
show on HBO it's like a mafia crime show where
the penguin is a character. Does that make sense? There is?
You don't even see the Batman in it. So far,
it's been pretty good. I mean it's almost like The Sopranos,
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but the guy walks kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is that Colin Farrell playing the.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Ps It's Colin Farrell with a lot of costume makeup
and you know, a fat suit on. Yes, that's what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I've heard.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think I read about that. I haven't seen it
at all. You're listening to the best of Clay Trapps
and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Our friend David Harsani joins, Now we're talking about his
book a little bit here, The Rise of Blue a noon.
There we go, how the Democrats became a party of
conspiracy theorists. David, I'm actually gonna read from the inside
jacket here for a second. Welcome. Of course, A recent
pol found nearly twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe
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the Holocaust is a myth. Meanwhile, sixty nine percent of
Americaans who believe that alien spacecraft are observing our planet
right now are Democrats, a far higher number than Republicans.
Historically Democrats are more likely to be nine to eleven truthers,
despite their law signs declaring science is real. Democrats are
twice as likely as Republicans to believe in astrology. I mean,
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we keep going down the list. What's going on here,
mister Harsanyi.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I think that the consensus has always been that the
that the right is the one that is more prone
to disinformation. But truly the left, and I'll tell you
why it's more dangerous. They take conspiracy theories, they polish
them up, they launder them through the media. They have
experts tell you it's true, who are just partisans, and
they and so they become much more plausible and much
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more you know. So it's just wider spread through the
left than on the right, because on the right, usually
conspiracy theorists are you know, on the fringes, they're not
really you know, mainstreamed in the same way. So I
think that it's just more common on the left because
it's you know, it's just more mainstream through their media,
through their media.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well you mentioned in this one. I mean you mentioned,
for example, stealing elections, and Democrats always gone And this
is something I have to remind everybody all the time
they say Trump doesn't you didn't accept the results of
the twenty twenty election. I'm like democrats didn't accept twenty sixteen,
didn't accept two thousand. I mean Democrats have made an
art form of denying elections.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Yeah, people forget now, or maybe they're too young, But
in two thousand and four there was almost every major
Democrats said there was something wrong with the Ohio voting.
They investigated it. People tried to deny Bush the election.
And remember in the two thousands, people like Michael Moore
complete off the you know, crazy conspiracy theorists made documentaries
that made hundreds of millions of dollars, got standing ovations
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at the oscars. That's what I mean by main streams.
I think that you know, and then when they're debunked,
like let's say the Russia collusion, hope, they just move
on to the next thing. No one, no one ever
pays the price, No one's called the conspiracy theories. No
one lose his job, No one loses his job.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
What was the wackiest when you're doing your research for this,
what was the wackiest thing that you saw coming out
as a conspiracy theory that a good number of Democrats
really bought into.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Well, I mean over in two thousand and six, I
think it was it was a poll that showed that
over fifty percent of Democrats thought George Bush knew that
nine to eleven was going to happen and let it
happen for personal benefit. But the worst one, I think
is in twenty eighteen, when I forget the exact number,
but something like fifty eight percent of Democrats believed that
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the Russians not not had just sent some Facebook ads,
but that they had messed with the vote tallies and
stolen the election. And this is a you know, that's
a massive number of people who believed something that there
was never any evidence for that even the conspiracy theorists
weren't saying it was true. They had gone, you know,
past that because they had been involved in this mass hysteria.
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So I think that's the craziest thing that they've believed,
and it just happened a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, you know, one thing, David, and we're speaking David Harsani.
His book is The Rise of Blue Anon, how the
Democrats became a party of conspiracy theorists. Well, one thing
that to me, at least sounds like it could be
a part of this. I just got my copy, so
I'm gonna have to get in and dive dive into
this and read over the weekend. David. So you may
deal with this in some detail in the book, but
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to me, it seems like part of it is if
a conspiracy hurts Republicans, it doesn't matter at all whether
it's true or not. So even people who aren't expected
to truly believe it aren't expected to go along with it,
because so many of these conspiracies just become political cudgels.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Of course, the New York Times will give a hearing
to any conspiracy theorists on the left. So I write
about this last year or yeah, last year, the New
York Times ran a huge long story about this guy
who says that Reagan Reagan had made a deal with
the Iranians to not release the hostages so that he
could win the election in nineteen eighty. I mean, there's
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no there's zero evidence or something like that, but they'll
they'll publish it. And that's just, you know, kind of
a revisionist conspiracy theory. But obviously they'll publish anything here
now as well. But I just clearly want to say
that it's not just conspiracy theories, it's also paranoia. I'll
give you the worst, one of the most pernicious ones,
telling African American voters that they're being stript of the
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right to vote, that there's voter suppression when it is
easier to vote than it's ever been in the history
of mankind anywhere. But yet people believe sixty something percent
of black people believe that there's a systemic, systemic, you know,
effort underway to not let them vote, or that they
believe that white cops are going around hunting black people
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to kill young black men. I mean, that makes them
feel like they're in a country that hates them, that
they don't have agency. And I'm not saying they aren't racists.
Of course they are racists. But that's a paranoia has
taken hold that know that is simply easily debunked by
factual evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
What do we do about this phenomenon? It does feel
like at some level, David d election results are are
a major pushback at a minimum to some of the
craziest beliefs of the left. But is it just the
loosening of their controls over the information ecosystem, as in
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now that X to the degree that you know, everyone
can see, seems to be willing to at least allow
people to say mean things about Democrats or things Democrats
don't once said, they don't have the same stranglehold. I
mean the others talk radio, there's Fox News. There have
been ways, but online it seems to be like it
seems to be loosening up a bit. Is that one way?
What are the how do we deal with this? Like,
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how do we handle this so that people stop stop
believing crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
We're in a weird spot now because it's clear this
election made it clear that people aren't listening to what
the media is telling them. They were engaged in a
paranoid style of politics, saying that Trump was hitler, that
you were semi fascists and all of that, and the
Handmaid's Tales stuff and all of that, so no one
was really listening. Obviously, every ethnic group, all kinds of
groups moved towards Trump. But I think it was a
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very normy election people who wanted some normalcy. But now
we don't really have any you know, we don't trust
any institutions. I don't mean we trust any big institutions,
So we have to someone has to build up places
that can be trusted. Again, I don't you know, And
I think, yes, it's going to be great to dunk
on libs and put people in positions that Dunco lives.
I'm not against that, But you also need confident people
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who are going to make us or allow us to trust,
you know, hhat So we're going to allow us to
trust the Justice Department. I think it's important if you
care about this stuff, that you have institutions that you
could trust.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And I'm wondering also about some of these media outlets,
you know, Jeff Bezos. It was fascinating they got so
freaked out of the Washington Post because Bezos said, you're
not allowed to endorse in this election cycle, as if
first of all, the endorsement doesn't matter. Second of all,
we all know who the Washington Post would endorse if
they could endorse. But if you were to take a
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step back and say, I want this paper to function
at least non hysterically, maybe that's a way I could
put it. It wouldn't be that hard. You know, these
papers have the Ombudsman position, right, I mean, they have
supposedly some kind of internal checks and balances, and then
they haven't been functioning. But I'm saying, theoretically you could
create them. I mean, all you need is somebody on
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the Washington Post, you know, in the newsroom whose job
is to oversee the politicization of the front page from
a conservative perspective, and I feel like you could start
to rain some of this stuff in. Or is it
just impossible? Is that just there's no market for that anymore?
I mean, how do you see it?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
I think you need to fire most people. It's not
the editorial page. It's really the problem at these Don't
get me wrong, It could be better and all that.
It's the reporters. It's the stray reporters that are the
problem and ture in these places. You'd have to finish.
You have to fix it completely, because think about the
kids who are coming out of journalism school now. They're
all just you know, they're not prepared to see other
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opinions in the paper. When when when when they don't endorse,
the whole paper melts down. When The New York Times
puts the Tom Cotton op ed up, the editorial assistance
will revolt and get the uh, get the get the
editor of the op ed page Fire. So I think
there really needs to be a culture change, and that
takes a long time. I'm not saying they're on good
journalists around, but the incentives are not to reward them,
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because who gets rewarded. If you're anti Trump you get
a million followers on Twitter. If you're being an unbiased
reporter and doing good work, no one pays attention to you.
So until those incentives are changed, I'm not sure that
it's going to get much better.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think that's absolutely true. We've got the book here,
The Rise of Bluing on David Harsani, the author. Go
get your copy and look for David's columns to Washington Examiner, David.
Great to talk to you is always. Thanks for making the.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Time you two. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving. From the Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Show, Jack Smith is ending his prosecutions of Donald Trump
and leaving the Department of Justice.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
What a giant l that guy. Can we Let's take
a moment, Clay, Let's talk about some of the biggest
l's here for people who weren't even on the ballot. Yes,
Doug m Hoff. It's rough, all the all the back
of the hand memes with Doug m Hoff. That guy
did not benefit from their attempt to make him the
(27:37):
new kind of first Man or whatever they were gonna
call him. How about Mark, gentlemen, how about Mark Mark Cuban.
I saw all of what I've seen, all the memes
with Cuban and Matdow. I just that's the best way
I can describe it. But they're the memes are out there.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Mark Cuban big l for him as Elon Musk, like
if you were analyzing like people's popularity and influence and
success like Elon Musk. I mean just in the business context,
but obviously Elon's far more successful. But I mean in
the political context. Elon gets on board the Trump train
and now just wins amazingly. Mark Cuban, for some reason,
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gets on the Kamalat caboose and just basically destroyed any
of his fan base that he still had.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean, it's really kind of wild. Sorry I cut
you off.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
It is funny to me to kind of think about
those two guys and the different trajectories they take. Now
in the wake of the decisions they made in the election, and.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Then then that brings us to womp mister Walls. Oh, yes,
the hero of several deployments to beautiful Italian towns with
excellent Neapolitan pizza and a Broadway show tunes enthusiast. From
what we can tell, Tim Walls didn't get it done
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with the Midwestern voters, with the guy voters, with any
of the voters. But I'm gonna I'm gonna give. I'm
gonna give a little charity or a little good faith
here to the Kamala campaign. You know what, man, I
don't think. I don't think it was gonna make a difference.
It would have been smarter to pick Shapiro, for sure,
no question. But when you see these numbers in this reality,
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I don't think. I think Kamala was the problem. The
message was the problem. The four years of Biden was
the problem. You can't change that with a VP pick. Tim.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yes, I agree, But Tim Walls, I mean, what a
loser that guy was. And how about the fact that
they tried to tell us that he was gonna win
over football fans. This is something that I felt very
confident about, and I give you credit because you held
the wall. You were very confident. At no point, once
Kamala got elevated, you never believed remotely this gonna win.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Never Clay knows. I did not waiver for one day.
I was like, Trump will win one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There was about a month, I would say, like mid
August to mid September where I got really nervous with
the debate. In September tenth, if I remember, she came
out of the gate, she got the bump, It seemed
like she had some enthusiasm. I really think this race turned.
If you want to talk about when really kind of
Trump took command, I think it was JD versus Walls
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in the VP debate. And I don't remember the exact
date of the VP debate. I felt like it was
very early October, but I felt like basically a lot
of people looked at JD and I thought he wiped
the floor with Walls, and they said, Okay, Trump is
seventy eight. By the way, one of you out there
who listens has sent me forty eight emails that I
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got Trump's age wrong and when I said he was
seventy nine, My humblest apologies of all the things that
you could send me forty eight emails about Trump is
seventy eight right now. I think he turned seventy nine soon.
My apologies to the lady out there that is deeply
offended that I have missaged Donald Trump. I think JD
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in that performance had such a captive He was an
eloquent version of Trump, and I think JD said a
lot of things that people wanted Trump to have said
against Kamala.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I think it was just from there the after
burners were on.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Not just because as we know, JD was my early
on prediction, but I think the JD's the choice of
JD by Trump also showed a learning curve that had
occurred with Trump and just the next generation. I mean,
when you think, here's a fascinating question that I've been
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banning about on my own Headclay, and I'll put to
you and everyone with us right now, who's the leader
of the Democrat Party right now? Who's the leader of
the Democrat Party? Like the de facto leader right because Obama,
through his whole weight behind Kamala, didn't do a darn thing. Now. Obama,
it's interesting, has never been good at getting other Peo
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people elected.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, his his power personal magnetism only extends like to himself,
it doesn't extend beyond.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Him, exactly right. He's not been his endorsement because Obama was.
Really he's not so much a movement as he is
one talented demagogue politician. He but you know that's Obama.
You look at the Republican side of things, and there
are all these people now that are around Trump, I
mean jd most notably as the vice president, but there
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are others. There's a whole rung and Elon I mean
the team of advisors slash just Trump Tier one. I
don't know how better to describe. It is a mix
of incredibly accomplished, very interesting, not dogmatically right wing necessarily people,
but red pilled and maga. Now, yeah, so you can
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see what the future looks like. On the Democrat side,
what they're really Oh, we found this guy, Gavin Newsom.
This amazing. You know, I don't know what they do
right now. I don't know who the leader of the
Democrat Party is. I don't think they have a bench
to speak of. They got to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I think they would argue Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Widmer,
but their governors and their terms are going to be up,
and I'm not sure you're reacting face wise kind of
the way I do when I hear those. I'm not
sure there's no Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer's done, Hakeem Jeffery's
not going to be It doesn't look like the House speaker.
They're kind of off the stage, And I think you're right,
there's an incredible void of leadership at the top of
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the Democrat Party. By the way, Maddie in Utah wants
to weigh in. Maddie, you're a twenty year old college
student voting for the first time.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
How did you vote and why?
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Hey, guys, I voted for Donald Trump, and I cast
my vote because I believe that he won and over
performed with the young adults and first time voters of
this country. Because we had to live through COVID and
how its disrupted our high school experiences so much and
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just impacted us so much, and then we went from
that to trying to pay rent in this awful economy,
and I think that we really just said that we
are done with it and that we want to fix
this this country.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Maddie, we appreciate you listening. I think that's an eloquent
description of the way that a lot of people your
age feel.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
You can imagine, thank you for calling Maddie. If you
lost your senior year of high school in March. You
were going to have prom, you were going to play
in a sport, you were looking forward to what that
experience would be like down the stretch, and then you
went away to college and they wouldn't let you sit
in a classroom without wearing a mask, and they tried
to restrict your ability to go out and hang out
and go to a party. I think there's a lot
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of young people that have been red pilled over that
Buck who looked around and said, all of the people
who were supposed to be taking care of us adults
in our lives failedest and the Democrat Party adults failed
the biggest.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You see now, I know I like to joke around
about how Clay took a chariot to school, and you
know I'm more moderate and stuff. We're only a couple
of years apart. We are technically in different generations. You're
gen X. I believe you're like we saved a Maria
youngest last night. I hate to give Clay and his
generation so much credit. I'm a Graybeard millennial technically, so
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I'm a millennial. Clay Is jen X gen X people.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
For what is it?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Forty five to sixty is that the gen X? I
know it's youngest.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I'm the youngest gen X. Gen X goes through the end.
I believe of seventy nine. I was born in nineteen
seventy nine. I think what's the oldest five sixty five
to seventy nine, whatever the math would be. I think
Obama's the oldest gen X, and I think I'm the youngest.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think that's the range.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Gen X pulled out all the stops for Trump in
this election.
Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Riley Gaines is with
us now of OutKick And she was a top swimmer
as you will call and swim against the guy who
swam then as a girl. Riley, appreciate you being with us.
The ad that everybody has been talking about post election results,
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So I think after people have seen what really resonated
and what the numbers were. Right now the data are
in and the ad was She's or he meeting Trump
is for you, she meaning Kamala is for they them?
Why was that the single most effective ad of the
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entire multi billion dollar political cycle.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I mean, first of all, it's great to be on
with you. Look that was as effective as it was
because I mean, and say it again out loud, he
is for you, she is for the them. Can you
imagine our founding fathers hearing that. I mean, they wouldn't
even understand what that means. They wouldn't even be able
to grasp the concept of what is being said. But
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that's the reality of where we are as a nation now.
I mean, it's seemingly that we have an entire political
party that has, at least in terms of elected representation,
and how our media represents this issue that has I
mean embraced this gender ideology movement wholeheartedly. You've got the
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whole pronouncing like we've just stated, but also calling Latino
voters or Latino individuals latin x. I mean, this just
doesn't resonate with your everyday common sense person. It shows
how out of touch with reality the Democratic Party has
become and would certainly continue being if we were to
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have to live through a Harris Walts administration.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Riley, good to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was with you on election night six days ago,
and as the results are coming in, I told you,
I think this election might have been different if Leah
Thomas does not swim against you, and if the absurdity
of that wasn't crystallized, not only with the event itself,
but with you speaking out against it. It happened in Georgia,
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which is a swing state, Riley, you had to swim
against Leah who was from Pennsylvania, which is certainly a
swing state. Sometimes it takes a little while for arguments
to crystallize. Do you think that incident was potentially dispositive
and who ended up winning this race.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You know what, no doubt I do. Actually, it just
really expedited similar to COVID. Honestly, it expedited this which
showed us which leaders were willing to, I mean emphatically
say that men can become women. And again, when you
do that, your credibility has just been compromised on every
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single topic. Why would I believe a word that comes
out of your mouth on any subject if you can,
if you can look at me and say confidently that
men can become women and vice versa, or that men
can get pregnant, or that menstrual products belong in boys' bathrooms. Again,
these things are absurd, and so we saw how it affected,
of course the presidential election. But also I think important
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to note these key Senate races people like I mean
we saw, I mean, compare the two Bob Casey versus
Dave McCormick, or someone even like Ted Cruz versus Colin Alred.
Colin Alred is of course as someone who in the
US House has voted many, many times in favor of
putting men into women's sports. But standing there on the
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debate stage, she says, word for word, look, I'm a Christian,
I'm a father, I would never support these ridiculous ideas
trying to desperately to recant from their positions. And notice
how Kamala Harris was never asked about her stance specifically
on this, and it's because she knew. That's by design.
They knew that this is not a winning issue does
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it pull well in their favor? Therefore they desperately and
effectively honestly try to run from their voting records.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Hey, Riley, do you think that what's going on right
now as the Democrats deal with all of their sadness
at the Trump the sweeping Trump victory is what we're
seeing a tactical retreat on the men and women's sports.
Girls playing against our boys playing against girls. Is it
a tactical retreat or is it a true rethink and
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possible repudiation of the trans agenda, which is effectively that
people can change gender.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Look, I don't think they believed it the entire time.
You really mean to tell me outlets like ESPN for example,
or or let's take the UNC double a. Uh, these
are outlets or entities that cover men's sports in women's sports.
You really mean to tell me they believe that men
can become women, that there's no difference between a man
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getting on the softball field versus the baseball field or
a man teeing off of a woman's tea. No, of
course they knew that so so I don't think they
believed it from the very beginning of this whole thing.
But now they're realizing, Okay, society is starting to turn around,
you know, whatever it is, whether it's it's you know,
driven by dollar signs initially, and now they're realizing, you know,
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maybe it's it is kind of this fringe, absurd idea
to to go along with this, to celebrate this, even
like they've done. So. Look, these democrats that are coming out,
I don't think they ever believed it. Actually know for
a fact. I'll tell you I've had the displeasure of
testifying before Congress in the Senate many times. And when
I testified before the Senate I had a Corey Booker
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come up to me before and he said, look, you know,
I played football at Stanford. I could never imagine a
girl on the field with me. And now was before
the testimony or the hearing. And then gets on the
other side of the table and starts grilling me and
votes in favor of this stuff. So again, it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Sounds like Corey Booker. By the way, just if you're wondering, nice,
nice in the green room, but not so nice when
he's up grand standing in Congress.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Right exactly, I want to play this for you because
I know you saw this video and it goes to
what Buck just asked, will they run from this or
will they allow left wing activists to continue to dominate
the discussion? So on CNN guy says, Hey, we're trying
to have an autopsy of what happened in the election
and boys trying to play in girl sports. Just listen
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to this, Riley, and I want you to be able
to react to it.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I think there are a lot of families out there
who don't believe boys should play girls sports.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm at the table.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
When you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Boys.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I'm not going to sit there a second because look,
this is a really heated issue, right and Sea Michael,
I know you, I know that you understand that people
have different views on this. I think out of respect
for Jay, like, let's try.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
To okay, let's cut it there. Out of respect for Jay,
you can't even say what you actually believe You've been
hearing this for years, Riley.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
When you watch that video, what was your reaction?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, I think it speaks more so to the problem,
even even maybe bigger than the actual concept of men
in women's sports. It's the whole idea of a grown
man telling another grown man how to speak. And again,
normal people are tired, they're tired of the policing of language.
Call it as you see it and never ever apologize.
(08:06):
And so I mean listening to that, it's just the
oldest form of pushing your ideology onto somebody demand. They
can't even speak against it in front of you. I
was hopeful that they had learned right, like we have
addressed here. We saw people like Morning Joe come out
and say, you know, Democrats have handled this really stupidly,
literally used that word. He said. Eighty five percent of
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Americans agree that men and women's sports is wrong, but
maybe they didn't learn listening to the rest of this panel,
watch a grown man have a full on temper tantrum
for how he addresses, I mean, accurately addresses a human being.
Calling them what they are is peak absurdity. It really is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Craziness. Craziness. Well, we'll have to see how the Democrats
try to deal with this issue going forward to I
think that it is really a symptom of a broader
problem they have, which is the orthodoxy. When the Democrat
left rally got so powerful, so strong, that it became
impossible for the less crazy elements of the Democrat Party
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to control the full on true believers of the Democrat Party.
And it's not just on the transition. I think we
saw this on college campuses where there were kids who were,
you know, taking over buildings at Columbia University and just
throwing this giant tantrum and threatening Jewish students because of
what was going on in Gaza. Like normal people don't
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think that's normal behavior or ethical behavior.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
No, no, And the irony of this is these college
students have no idea what they're even protesting. They have
no idea. It's the same rent a mob that shows
up to college campuses to protest me when I show
up and speak. They have no idea. But you're right,
I think the infiltration of virtual every realm, every institution
of our society. Uh, I don't believe even it's it's
(10:06):
necessarily the gender ideology movement that has captured our institutions.
I believe it's our institutions that have have failed so miserable, miserably,
whether it's it's corporate America. We're seeing how that has
played out. We've seen that through Target and bud Light
and things like that. We've seen it, of course, in
our educational realm. We've seen it within our media. We've
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seen it within our government. We've seen it within the
healthcare profession, the medicalization side of things. How we have
doctors entire Even at the end of that clip, if
you were to keep playing that clip, at the end
of it, the guy says, look, don't don't listen to me,
just listen to the American Medical Association or the American
Psychiatric Association. We have entire what used to be considered
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trustworthy institutions and entities and corporations and organizations that have,
uh I mean said it's totally cool to chemically and
surgically castraate children. I mean, we will look back at
this time. I don't know how long from now, ten years,
twenty years, I hope not fifty years, but at some
point we will look back at this time and accurately
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call it what it is, which again speaking to the
medicalization stuff. It's the biggest medical scandal this world has
ever seen. So you're right, it's every realm, even seemingly
are spiritual leaders. I've seen many videos of pastors coming
out now and condemning people saying, you know, they're going
to hell if they have voted for Donald Trump and
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they're quoting scripture, and it's just we're seeing sheep in
Wolve's clothing.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
All of that being said, it was incredible to watch
Trump win. I know you felt very validated for the
arguments you've been making in Riley. You just graduated from
college recently. How encouraging was it to you the number
of young men who just said we're over this and
show up and voted for Trump in record numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Honestly, I'll tell you it's it wasn't really surprising for me.
I think for a couple of reasons. One, young people
value free speech. Young people they're they're you're going up
to college for the first time, you're having to afford
an apartment or whatever it is. So so the economy
I believe was a big part in that. I think
young people too just kind of like to to go
(12:26):
against the status. QLO I mean, there's that value in
being rebellious, and I think it was seen as voting
for Donald Trump was the rebellious, anti establishment thing to do,
and I think that's largely part of Look, he's got
this iconic mug shot, he's being shot at, he's being indicted,
he's being I mean, they're trying to bankrupt him. All
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of these things that were happening to him that the
Democrats were doing in an attempt to get him to
go away. Really, I think, especially in talking about young people,
it really only made him more relate. More of this
this iconic figure that I believe mobilized people to get
to the polls, and not just men. I think a
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lot of we've we've seen the numbers in the shift,
and even young women compared to four years ago. So
again I think it was it was historic. I mean,
this is really kind of like a once in a
lifetime type of thing. I think, of course, this was
only my second election being able to vote, and this
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time compared to four years ago. I mean, it just
the vibe shift is entirely there, especially among young people.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Riley Gaines you can check out the podcast at OutKick.
Among many other things, she is doing to fight for
the right side of sanity. Riley, keep up the good work.
You were instrumental to this result. Thank you for everything
you did.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Thank you, guys, appreciate you always.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Lake Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
By the way, you watched the new episode I did
of Yellowstone, so now we can talk about it. Carrie
and I watched it. The first five minutes just felt
absolutely bizarre. There's no spoilers here. Okay, if you haven't
seen it yet, too well, I mean there are spoilers,
but I'm saying, like, too bad. Kevin Costner really thought
he had something better to do than this show. Is
(14:24):
that what it came down to. That seems so strange
to me.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And I don't know how many of you out there
watch Yellowstone, but it's the most popular television show in America.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I think I.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Told you that you should watch it years ago on
this show, Buck and So they've had a multi year
hiatus while they've been fighting over whether Kevin Costner was
going to come back or not, and ultimately he just
refused to come back.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So they had to write him off.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And I just look, he put in the time and
effort on that show. Why not close it out in
a way where the people who've invested in that show
are gonna really appreciate the work that he put in, right, Like,
I what better thing is he making? And I can't
imagine that there's not a dollar figure they could have
(15:13):
reached an agreement on. Does that make sense? Like at
some point it would be like if you watch the
Avengers movies, if Robert Downey Junior was just like, yeah,
I'm not gonna play Iron Man anymore. Well, there's got
to be a dollar figure where you can come to
an agreement because people who've invested in that show and
(15:33):
it's been very successful want to find a way to
finish it successfully. And I think it just it undercuts
everything massively the way that that final episode's playing out
right now. I watched it last night. I was excited
to watch it. I've been waiting for several years. I
really like the show. I think Taylor Sheridan's done a
great job with that one. There's a new one with
Billy Bob Thornton about Texas Oil that looks frankly incredible
(15:58):
it's got Billy, Bob Thornton, John on Ham and another famous,
super incredible actress in it. I can't remember who it was,
but I need a new show to watch. With the
election now being done and with football season moving towards
the close for the spring, I'm ready for a couple
of new shows to be able to kick back and watch.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I could definitely use a new show these days. I'm
I'm kind of I've kind of run dry on that,
so I'm hopeful that something really good comes up. I
don't know the Yellowstone. It might have jumped the shark
a little bit here for me though, the whole like
faked suicide thing, and it's getting a little crazy, and
I just didn't I think Kevin Coster bailed out to
(16:41):
make some movies that have done really poorly. Is that right.
I don't even know what they are, but he did some.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I think that's correct. And look, I mean, Kevin Costner
is incredibly talented. He made that show with his portrayal
of John Dutton Penguin.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I just realized I've started with Penguin now carry and
I watched it with her dad. It's not a superhero
show on HBO it's like a mafia crime show where
the penguin is a character. Does that make sense? There is?
You don't even see the Batman in it. So far,
it's been pretty good. I mean it's almost like The Sopranos,
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but the guy walks kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Is that Colin Farrell playing the.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Ps It's Colin Farrell with a lot of costume makeup
and you know, a fat suit on. Yes, that's what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I've heard.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I think I read about that. I haven't seen it
at all. You're listening to the best of Clay Trapps
and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Our friend David Harsani joins, Now we're talking about his
book a little bit here, The Rise of Blue a noon.
There we go, how the Democrats became a party of
conspiracy theorists. David, I'm actually gonna read from the inside
jacket here for a second. Welcome. Of course, A recent
pol found nearly twice as many Democrats as Republicans believe
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the Holocaust is a myth. Meanwhile, sixty nine percent of
Americaans who believe that alien spacecraft are observing our planet
right now are Democrats, a far higher number than Republicans.
Historically Democrats are more likely to be nine to eleven truthers,
despite their law signs declaring science is real. Democrats are
twice as likely as Republicans to believe in astrology. I mean,
(18:20):
we keep going down the list. What's going on here,
mister Harsanyi.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
I think that the consensus has always been that the
that the right is the one that is more prone
to disinformation. But truly the left, and I'll tell you
why it's more dangerous. They take conspiracy theories, they polish
them up, they launder them through the media. They have
experts tell you it's true, who are just partisans, and
they and so they become much more plausible and much
(18:46):
more you know. So it's just wider spread through the
left than on the right, because on the right, usually
conspiracy theorists are you know, on the fringes, they're not
really you know, mainstreamed in the same way. So I
think that it's just more common on the left because
it's you know, it's just more mainstream through their media,
through their media.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well you mentioned in this one. I mean you mentioned,
for example, stealing elections, and Democrats always gone And this
is something I have to remind everybody all the time
they say Trump doesn't you didn't accept the results of
the twenty twenty election. I'm like democrats didn't accept twenty sixteen,
didn't accept two thousand. I mean Democrats have made an
art form of denying elections.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Yeah, people forget now, or maybe they're too young, But
in two thousand and four there was almost every major
Democrats said there was something wrong with the Ohio voting.
They investigated it. People tried to deny Bush the election.
And remember in the two thousands, people like Michael Moore
complete off the you know, crazy conspiracy theorists made documentaries
that made hundreds of millions of dollars, got standing ovations
(19:49):
at the oscars. That's what I mean by main streams.
I think that you know, and then when they're debunked,
like let's say the Russia collusion, hope, they just move
on to the next thing. No one, no one ever
pays the price, No one's called the conspiracy theories. No
one lose his job, No one loses his job.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
What was the wackiest when you're doing your research for this,
what was the wackiest thing that you saw coming out
as a conspiracy theory that a good number of Democrats
really bought into.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Well, I mean over in two thousand and six, I
think it was it was a poll that showed that
over fifty percent of Democrats thought George Bush knew that
nine to eleven was going to happen and let it
happen for personal benefit. But the worst one, I think
is in twenty eighteen, when I forget the exact number,
but something like fifty eight percent of Democrats believed that
(20:39):
the Russians not not had just sent some Facebook ads,
but that they had messed with the vote tallies and
stolen the election. And this is a you know, that's
a massive number of people who believed something that there
was never any evidence for that even the conspiracy theorists
weren't saying it was true. They had gone, you know,
past that because they had been involved in this mass hysteria.
(21:02):
So I think that's the craziest thing that they've believed,
and it just happened a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, you know, one thing, David, and we're speaking David Harsani.
His book is The Rise of Blue Anon, how the
Democrats became a party of conspiracy theorists. Well, one thing
that to me, at least sounds like it could be
a part of this. I just got my copy, so
I'm gonna have to get in and dive dive into
this and read over the weekend. David. So you may
deal with this in some detail in the book, but
(21:27):
to me, it seems like part of it is if
a conspiracy hurts Republicans, it doesn't matter at all whether
it's true or not. So even people who aren't expected
to truly believe it aren't expected to go along with it,
because so many of these conspiracies just become political cudgels.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Of course, the New York Times will give a hearing
to any conspiracy theorists on the left. So I write
about this last year or yeah, last year, the New
York Times ran a huge long story about this guy
who says that Reagan Reagan had made a deal with
the Iranians to not release the hostages so that he
could win the election in nineteen eighty. I mean, there's
(22:06):
no there's zero evidence or something like that, but they'll
they'll publish it. And that's just, you know, kind of
a revisionist conspiracy theory. But obviously they'll publish anything here
now as well. But I just clearly want to say
that it's not just conspiracy theories, it's also paranoia. I'll
give you the worst, one of the most pernicious ones,
telling African American voters that they're being stript of the
(22:29):
right to vote, that there's voter suppression when it is
easier to vote than it's ever been in the history
of mankind anywhere. But yet people believe sixty something percent
of black people believe that there's a systemic, systemic, you know,
effort underway to not let them vote, or that they
believe that white cops are going around hunting black people
(22:49):
to kill young black men. I mean, that makes them
feel like they're in a country that hates them, that
they don't have agency. And I'm not saying they aren't racists.
Of course they are racists. But that's a paranoia has
taken hold that know that is simply easily debunked by
factual evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
What do we do about this phenomenon? It does feel
like at some level, David d election results are are
a major pushback at a minimum to some of the
craziest beliefs of the left. But is it just the
loosening of their controls over the information ecosystem, as in
(23:26):
now that X to the degree that you know, everyone
can see, seems to be willing to at least allow
people to say mean things about Democrats or things Democrats
don't once said, they don't have the same stranglehold. I
mean the others talk radio, there's Fox News. There have
been ways, but online it seems to be like it
seems to be loosening up a bit. Is that one way?
What are the how do we deal with this? Like,
(23:49):
how do we handle this so that people stop stop
believing crazy stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
We're in a weird spot now because it's clear this
election made it clear that people aren't listening to what
the media is telling them. They were engaged in a
paranoid style of politics, saying that Trump was hitler, that
you were semi fascists and all of that, and the
Handmaid's Tales stuff and all of that, so no one
was really listening. Obviously, every ethnic group, all kinds of
groups moved towards Trump. But I think it was a
(24:16):
very normy election people who wanted some normalcy. But now
we don't really have any you know, we don't trust
any institutions. I don't mean we trust any big institutions,
So we have to someone has to build up places
that can be trusted. Again, I don't you know, And
I think, yes, it's going to be great to dunk
on libs and put people in positions that Dunco lives.
I'm not against that, But you also need confident people
(24:38):
who are going to make us or allow us to trust,
you know, hhat So we're going to allow us to
trust the Justice Department. I think it's important if you
care about this stuff, that you have institutions that you
could trust.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And I'm wondering also about some of these media outlets,
you know, Jeff Bezos. It was fascinating they got so
freaked out of the Washington Post because Bezos said, you're
not allowed to endorse in this election cycle, as if
first of all, the endorsement doesn't matter. Second of all,
we all know who the Washington Post would endorse if
they could endorse. But if you were to take a
(25:11):
step back and say, I want this paper to function
at least non hysterically, maybe that's a way I could
put it. It wouldn't be that hard. You know, these
papers have the Ombudsman position, right, I mean, they have
supposedly some kind of internal checks and balances, and then
they haven't been functioning. But I'm saying, theoretically you could
create them. I mean, all you need is somebody on
(25:31):
the Washington Post, you know, in the newsroom whose job
is to oversee the politicization of the front page from
a conservative perspective, and I feel like you could start
to rain some of this stuff in. Or is it
just impossible? Is that just there's no market for that anymore?
I mean, how do you see it?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
I think you need to fire most people. It's not
the editorial page. It's really the problem at these Don't
get me wrong, It could be better and all that.
It's the reporters. It's the stray reporters that are the
problem and ture in these places. You'd have to finish.
You have to fix it completely, because think about the
kids who are coming out of journalism school now. They're
all just you know, they're not prepared to see other
(26:11):
opinions in the paper. When when when when they don't endorse,
the whole paper melts down. When The New York Times
puts the Tom Cotton op ed up, the editorial assistance
will revolt and get the uh, get the get the
editor of the op ed page Fire. So I think
there really needs to be a culture change, and that
takes a long time. I'm not saying they're on good
journalists around, but the incentives are not to reward them,
(26:33):
because who gets rewarded. If you're anti Trump you get
a million followers on Twitter. If you're being an unbiased
reporter and doing good work, no one pays attention to you.
So until those incentives are changed, I'm not sure that
it's going to get much better.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I think that's absolutely true. We've got the book here,
The Rise of Bluing on David Harsani, the author. Go
get your copy and look for David's columns to Washington Examiner, David.
Great to talk to you is always. Thanks for making the.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Time you two. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving. From the Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Show, Jack Smith is ending his prosecutions of Donald Trump
and leaving the Department of Justice.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
This is amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
What a giant l that guy. Can we Let's take
a moment, Clay, Let's talk about some of the biggest
l's here for people who weren't even on the ballot. Yes,
Doug m Hoff. It's rough, all the all the back
of the hand memes with Doug m Hoff. That guy
did not benefit from their attempt to make him the
(27:37):
new kind of first Man or whatever they were gonna
call him. How about Mark, gentlemen, how about Mark Mark Cuban.
I saw all of what I've seen, all the memes
with Cuban and Matdow. I just that's the best way
I can describe it. But they're the memes are out there.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Mark Cuban big l for him as Elon Musk, like
if you were analyzing like people's popularity and influence and
success like Elon Musk. I mean just in the business context,
but obviously Elon's far more successful. But I mean in
the political context. Elon gets on board the Trump train
and now just wins amazingly. Mark Cuban, for some reason,
(28:15):
gets on the Kamalat caboose and just basically destroyed any
of his fan base that he still had.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I mean, it's really kind of wild. Sorry I cut
you off.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
It is funny to me to kind of think about
those two guys and the different trajectories they take. Now
in the wake of the decisions they made in the election, and.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Then then that brings us to womp mister Walls. Oh, yes,
the hero of several deployments to beautiful Italian towns with
excellent Neapolitan pizza and a Broadway show tunes enthusiast. From
what we can tell, Tim Walls didn't get it done
(28:57):
with the Midwestern voters, with the guy voters, with any
of the voters. But I'm gonna I'm gonna give. I'm
gonna give a little charity or a little good faith
here to the Kamala campaign. You know what, man, I
don't think. I don't think it was gonna make a difference.
It would have been smarter to pick Shapiro, for sure,
no question. But when you see these numbers in this reality,
(29:19):
I don't think. I think Kamala was the problem. The
message was the problem. The four years of Biden was
the problem. You can't change that with a VP pick. Tim.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yes, I agree, But Tim Walls, I mean, what a
loser that guy was. And how about the fact that
they tried to tell us that he was gonna win
over football fans. This is something that I felt very
confident about, and I give you credit because you held
the wall. You were very confident. At no point, once
Kamala got elevated, you never believed remotely this gonna win.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Never Clay knows. I did not waiver for one day.
I was like, Trump will win one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There was about a month, I would say, like mid
August to mid September where I got really nervous with
the debate. In September tenth, if I remember, she came
out of the gate, she got the bump, It seemed
like she had some enthusiasm. I really think this race turned.
If you want to talk about when really kind of
Trump took command, I think it was JD versus Walls
(30:18):
in the VP debate. And I don't remember the exact
date of the VP debate. I felt like it was
very early October, but I felt like basically a lot
of people looked at JD and I thought he wiped
the floor with Walls, and they said, Okay, Trump is
seventy eight. By the way, one of you out there
who listens has sent me forty eight emails that I
(30:41):
got Trump's age wrong and when I said he was
seventy nine, My humblest apologies of all the things that
you could send me forty eight emails about Trump is
seventy eight right now. I think he turned seventy nine soon.
My apologies to the lady out there that is deeply
offended that I have missaged Donald Trump. I think JD
(31:02):
in that performance had such a captive He was an
eloquent version of Trump, and I think JD said a
lot of things that people wanted Trump to have said
against Kamala.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
And I think it was just from there the after
burners were on.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Not just because as we know, JD was my early
on prediction, but I think the JD's the choice of
JD by Trump also showed a learning curve that had
occurred with Trump and just the next generation. I mean,
when you think, here's a fascinating question that I've been
(31:38):
banning about on my own Headclay, and I'll put to
you and everyone with us right now, who's the leader
of the Democrat Party right now? Who's the leader of
the Democrat Party? Like the de facto leader right because Obama,
through his whole weight behind Kamala, didn't do a darn thing. Now. Obama,
it's interesting, has never been good at getting other Peo
(32:00):
people elected.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, his his power personal magnetism only extends like to himself,
it doesn't extend beyond.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Him, exactly right. He's not been his endorsement because Obama was.
Really he's not so much a movement as he is
one talented demagogue politician. He but you know that's Obama.
You look at the Republican side of things, and there
are all these people now that are around Trump, I
mean jd most notably as the vice president, but there
(32:29):
are others. There's a whole rung and Elon I mean
the team of advisors slash just Trump Tier one. I
don't know how better to describe. It is a mix
of incredibly accomplished, very interesting, not dogmatically right wing necessarily people,
but red pilled and maga. Now, yeah, so you can
(32:52):
see what the future looks like. On the Democrat side,
what they're really Oh, we found this guy, Gavin Newsom.
This amazing. You know, I don't know what they do
right now. I don't know who the leader of the
Democrat Party is. I don't think they have a bench
to speak of. They got to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I think they would argue Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Widmer,
but their governors and their terms are going to be up,
and I'm not sure you're reacting face wise kind of
the way I do when I hear those. I'm not
sure there's no Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer's done, Hakeem Jeffery's
not going to be It doesn't look like the House speaker.
They're kind of off the stage, And I think you're right,
there's an incredible void of leadership at the top of
(33:29):
the Democrat Party. By the way, Maddie in Utah wants
to weigh in. Maddie, you're a twenty year old college
student voting for the first time.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
How did you vote and why?
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Hey, guys, I voted for Donald Trump, and I cast
my vote because I believe that he won and over
performed with the young adults and first time voters of
this country. Because we had to live through COVID and
how its disrupted our high school experiences so much and
(34:05):
just impacted us so much, and then we went from
that to trying to pay rent in this awful economy,
and I think that we really just said that we
are done with it and that we want to fix
this this country.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Maddie, we appreciate you listening. I think that's an eloquent
description of the way that a lot of people your
age feel.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
You can imagine, thank you for calling Maddie. If you
lost your senior year of high school in March. You
were going to have prom, you were going to play
in a sport, you were looking forward to what that
experience would be like down the stretch, and then you
went away to college and they wouldn't let you sit
in a classroom without wearing a mask, and they tried
to restrict your ability to go out and hang out
and go to a party. I think there's a lot
(34:51):
of young people that have been red pilled over that
Buck who looked around and said, all of the people
who were supposed to be taking care of us adults
in our lives failedest and the Democrat Party adults failed
the biggest.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You see now, I know I like to joke around
about how Clay took a chariot to school, and you
know I'm more moderate and stuff. We're only a couple
of years apart. We are technically in different generations. You're
gen X. I believe you're like we saved a Maria
youngest last night. I hate to give Clay and his
generation so much credit. I'm a Graybeard millennial technically, so
(35:25):
I'm a millennial. Clay Is jen X gen X people.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
For what is it?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Forty five to sixty is that the gen X? I
know it's youngest.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I'm the youngest gen X. Gen X goes through the end.
I believe of seventy nine. I was born in nineteen
seventy nine. I think what's the oldest five sixty five
to seventy nine, whatever the math would be. I think
Obama's the oldest gen X, and I think I'm the youngest.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think that's the range.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Gen X pulled out all the stops for Trump in
this election.
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