May 26, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Wanted to give credit to Bill Maher for being willing
to go actually meet with President and Trump in person.
He had a dinner with Kid Rock at the in
the White House after I believe they went into the
Oval Office as well. And I want to play some
of the cuts. This is from Bill Maher's HBO show,
(00:25):
and I think what Bill maher is saying here is
what many of you have found in your experience is
either listening to Trump on this program or other programs
over the last decade. I believe the number is that
I have been involved in interviewing Trump, either by myself
or with Buck now eleven times, and so I feel
(00:49):
like I know Trump fairly well at this point. We've
talked to him for hours on this program during the
course of the last four years. And what Bill Maher
is saying is what I have found to be true
of Trump in private. He's an incredibly likable, charismatic guy
who frankly feels kind of like a grandpa when I
(01:11):
have been around him. And let's listen to a couple
of these cuts. He also has and I think this
is important, a pretty good sense of humor. He's actually very,
very funny, and most of his critics don't get it.
Here's billmar saying he showed up with a list of
insults that Trump had called him, and Trump autographed it
(01:34):
for him, which is incredible.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Listened to cut fifteen Before I.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Left for the Capitol. I had my staff collect and
print out this list of almost sixteen different insulting epithets
that the President has said about me, things like stupid, dummy,
low life, dummy, sleeves, bag, sick said, stone cold crazy,
really a dumb guy, fired like a dog, his show
(01:59):
is dead.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was sixty.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I brought this to the White House because I wanted
him to sign.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It, which he did, which he did with good humor.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
All Right, I mean, this is how it should be.
I talked about the Taylor Lorenz. Oh he's a morally
good man. That's not how it should be. How it
should be is people can disagree, sometimes they might even
say mean things, but when they meet face to face
they behave like adults. And most of the time I
(02:38):
have found when you meet someone face to face, you
are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone
like Donald Trump that is actually very likable. We've said
on this program for a long time. Look, you can
disagree with his policies. I am one hundred percent of
the opinion that you can look at Trump's policies and
you can say I hate the terrif ideas. You can say, hey,
(03:00):
I think we should have free and wide open borders.
You can say police are too empowered, or he's taking
too much executive authority. I don't agree with those arguments,
but I think you can make those arguments and be
a rational, normal human being. What you can't say is
he's Hitler. He is not in any way remotely similar
(03:21):
to Adolf Hitler. Disagree with his policies, attacking him personally
is absurd. And what I have said for some time is,
and I bet what Bill Maher now recognizes. Trump is
an energy person. Whatever energy you give to him, he
gives back to you ten x. So if you are
favorable and kind, he's going to be ten times as
(03:44):
favorable and ten times as kind to you. If you
are unfavorable, uncharitable, cruel, mean, he's going to give that
back to you ten x. Whatever you give Trump gives
back ten x. That's the lesson that everybody should have
learned by now, and actually, face to face, he tends
to be really good.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I've said this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Before I met Trump for the first time in person
in October of twenty twenty. I took my wife and
at the time oldest son, who was I believe in
seventh grade.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Trump was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
With him, unbelievable with my seventh grader in the Oval
Office the time he spent with him, he was just
a fabulous, grandfatherly like figure. My wife, like a lot
of women, was not a huge fan of Donald Trump
before she met him. After meeting him in the Oval Office,
(04:44):
since she's met him a couple of times since, she
loves him. He is really incredible face to face one
on one, not only with the people there, but with kids.
Really really good with kids. He's met my all of
my sons, by the way, they were more interested in
meeting mister Beast than the President. No offense to the President,
(05:07):
but he's met all of my kids. Fabulous with all
of them, just like a good grandpa would be. And
I bet if you had the good fortune to get
to meet the President and you got to meet him
with your kids or with your grandkids. He would be
phenomenal with them. And this is what Bill maher is saying.
Bill maher like kind of built this mountain of Trump
(05:28):
as an awful person based on public persona, and then
he had to go out and tell his audience on Friday. Actually,
we had a phenomenal dinner and Trump was incredible. Here
is Bill maher on meeting Trump cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He laughs just for starters, he laughs.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does,
including it himself, and it's not fake. Believe me, as
a comedian of forty years, I know a fake laugh
when I hear it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Example, in the Over Office, he was showing me the
portraits of presidents and he pointed to Reagan and said,
in all seriousness, you know the best thing about him
his hair. I said, well, there was also that whole
bringing down communism thing. Waiting for the button next to
the diet coke button to get pushed and I.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Go through the trap door.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But no, he laughed.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He got it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He has a really good sense of humor. He's also
insanely self aware. Some of you may have seen me
on Fox and Friends over the weekend. I'll take feedback.
By the way, eight hundred two two eight a two.
I'll tell you what my mom said in a moment,
but I said this because we were playing some of
the cuts from the moment. Jimmy Fallon allowed himself to
(06:51):
get bullied for humanizing Trump. Every comedian by and large
was terrified of the general public, and they refuse to
treat Trump like a normal human being. It's actually incredibly
unfortunate because if you go back and watch Trump on
Saturday Night Live, he has a great sense of humor.
(07:12):
I think Trump would have been really good on Jimmy Kimmel.
I think he would have been really good with Fallan.
I think he would have been really good with Stephen
Colbert and on Saturday Night Live, because unlike a lot
of politicians, he actually has a good sense of humor
about himself. And I have made this argument for a
long time on the dictator front. Dictators don't have good
(07:36):
senses of humor because humor requires a knowledge and nuance
of how you are seen in the world that is
at large. And that's why dictators require complete obsequiousness. They
require that you basically been the need to them all
(07:56):
the time that you genuflect at their photo that's hanging
on the wall, at their portrait, because they have to
be seen as larger than you, more important than you,
and comedy cuts everybody down the size. This is why
having kids important in many ways. I think kids tell
(08:17):
you exactly what they think. Kids and old people, super
old people, they're like, I don't give a heck anymore.
Super young kids they don't have the filters built in
to say what they think.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean, there's tons of things that kids will say,
but I remember my three year old got me good
about seven years ago, the youngest at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We were playing.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
He said, Dad, he said, yeah, said you have old hands.
I never thought about my hands in my entire life,
holding them up now for you on video.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He's like, they're wrinkly, they're like old man hands. And
I was like, I never even thought of it. Now
what my hands look like before? I didn't think I
was George Costanza hand model. But my three year old
is like, you know, like, hey, Dad, you know you're
not a super young guy anymore. You got old guy hands.
And it's that puncturing right, And I'll play you a
(09:16):
cut and a little bit of Trump on Air Force
one after he was at the UFC three fourteen with
Kai Trump, his granddaughter. The grandkids make fun of him.
That's healthy. Yeah, he's the president of the United States,
but he's also grandpa and grandma, and he and Milania,
and so they have normal human interactions. I don't imagine
(09:39):
that Kim Jong un has very many normal interactions. I
frankly don't imagine that Vladimir Putin has very many normal
human interactions. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what Bill
Maher was getting at here. Also, he says Trump was
gracious and measured, and his audience is hearing what is
the truth. But much like when I was talking about
earlier with George Clooney and the play, they aren't able
(10:03):
to see the larger perspective because many of them have
bought into the idea that he's Hitler. Listen to cut fourteen.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
He said, you know, I've heard from a lot of
people who really liked that we're having this dinner.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Not all, but a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And I said same. A lot of people told me
they loved it, but not all, and we agreed. The
people who don't even want us to talk we don't like.
You don't talk as opposed to what writing the same
editorial for the millionth time and making twenty five hour
speeches into the wind. Okay, that's my report. You can
(10:38):
hate me for it, but I'm not a liar. Trump
was gracious and measured. And why he isn't that in
other settings I don't know, and I can't answer, and
it's not my place to answer. I'm just telling you
what I saw, and I wasn't high.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's great and that audience.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Again, I encourage as many of these outreaches as Trump
can do. I think if you meet him face to face,
the caricature that you have built in your mind on
the left is not represented by the man that you
will meet. I guarantee you that. And we have a
tendency in this world, and I try to be conscious
(11:19):
of it in the way that I talk to to
build twenty foot tall caricatures of people that are just
a few inches deep. In other words, when you walk
up to it, it's like you can punch through it
and it's paper mache. It looks like this huge statue.
Oh my goodness, look at this. This is twenty feet tall.
(11:41):
You can't miss it, and then when you're actually confronted
with it, you realize there's no depth to it. You
can punch right through it and you see the real
person on the other side. Now, some people are fake.
Many politicians, I would say, are fake because they're desperate.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
To make you like them.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They feel like if they pretend to be something, that
you will like them. Trump is not that. It's why
he wasn't a professional politician. He is just himself, for
better or worse. And I think the reason why he
had so much more support by twenty twenty four is
a lot of people saw what Bill Maher did, which
(12:24):
is that twenty foot caricature that the legacy media were
telling you that he's Adolf Hitler, that he's got the
Hitler mustache, that he's gonna it's not real. It wasn't
in any way accurate. And meanwhile, the twenty foot caricature
that they tried to create of Joe Biden, which was
incredibly beneficial, when you got up close to it, you
saw that that was all fake. Two And I've said
(12:48):
in my new book that I'm writing, I think this
gets to the essence of it. Authenticity ends, cancel culture.
When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better
or worse.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can't be.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Canceled in public anymore because people are over it now.
If you lie, if you are fake, if you are
not honest with your audience, then you can be canceled.
And I'll give you an example that just as historic.
Why did Bill Clinton keep his job after he had
(13:25):
an affair with an intern in the Oval Office? Bill
Clinton slept with an intern. Now you can say, Okay,
well that was nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven, it's
a different era, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Think that's true.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But the reason why I think he kept his job
was because, deep down, a lot of people kind of
thought that that was something that Bill Clinton might do.
You didn't really think, oh, this is a guy who's
completely committed to his wife. You didn't think Bill and
Hillary Clinton, this is the greatest couple of our lives.
(14:02):
You kind of thought Bill Clinton not really that much
into Hillary Clinton's probably going to sleep with somebody else
while he's president. I think if George W. Bush had done,
it might have cost him his job. I think if
Barack Obama had done, it might have cost him his job.
But Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what
(14:23):
we anticipated and believed about him. I think Clinton was
authentically himself. Think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't.
I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you
would think he is if you are honest and have
been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think
(14:43):
what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I've experienced, It's what
Buck experienced, It's what most of you would experience. If
you had the opportunity to meet Trump, and if you
took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump too, I'm
telling you you would really like him, and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
He would be fatbulous with you.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That, I believe is one reason that he's been so
successful as a politician. He's actually just kind of a
likable guy. And if you remember before he got into politics,
that was his reputation. A little bit of a bragger,
a little bit in love with himself. Yeah, you can
say that about Trump. I was just playing one of
(15:23):
the West Palm Beach and he had framed that he
was one of the richest people.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
In the world.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
In the in the locker room, all the different paintings
and pictures hanging on the wall. I think a lot
of rich people probably wouldn't frame the magazine cover that
called them one of the richest people in the world
and hang it up in their locker room. But that's Trump,
and I think the reason why he's having so much
more success in this second term is more and more
(15:51):
people are like Bill Maher finding out what the truth is. Wellok,
tax filing deadline for the irs. Good for him for meeting,
Good for Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock
Dana White for setting it up. I think we need
way more of this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better
or worse, you can't be canceled in public anymore because
people are over it now. If you lie, if you
are fake, if you are not honest with your audience,
then you can be canceled. And I'll give you an
(16:28):
example that just as historic. Why did Bill Clinton keep
his job after he had an an affair with an intern.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In the Oval office?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Bill Clinton slept with an intern. Now you can say, Okay,
well that was nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven. It's
a different era, and I think that's true. But The
reason why I think he kept his job was because,
deep down, a lot of people kind of thought that
that was something that Bill Clinton might do. You didn't
(17:00):
really think, oh, this is a guy who's completely committed
to his wife. You didn't think Bill and Hillary Clinton,
this is the greatest couple of our lives. You kind
of thought Bill Clinton not really that much into Hillary
Clinton's probably going to sleep with somebody else while he's president.
I think if George W. Bush had done, it might
(17:22):
have cost him his job. I think if Barack Obama
had done, it might have cost him his job. But
Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what we
anticipated and believed about him. I think Clinton was authentically himself.
I think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't.
I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you
(17:45):
would think he is if you are honest and have
been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think
what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I've experienced, it's what
Buck experienced, It's what most of you would experience if
you had the opportunity to meet Trump, and if you
took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump too. I'm
(18:05):
telling you, you would really like him and he would
be fabulous with you. That, I believe is one reason
that he's been so successful as a politician. He's actually
just kind of a likable guy. And if you remember
before he got into politics, that was his reputation. A
little bit of a bragger, a little bit in love
(18:27):
with himself. Yeah, you can say that about Trump. I
was just playing one of the West Palm Beach and
he had framed that he was one of the richest
people in the world in the in the locker room,
all the different paintings and pictures hanging on the wall.
I think a lot of rich people probably wouldn't frame
the magazine cover that called them one of the richest
(18:48):
people in the world and hang it up in their
locker room. But that's Trump, and I think the reason
why he's having so much more success in this second
term is more and more people are like Bill Maher
finding out what the truth is well, tax filing deadline
for the irs. Good for him for meeting, Good for
Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock Dana White
(19:08):
for setting it up. I think we need way.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
More of this.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We've got Kirk Cameron joining us. He wants to talk
to us about an alternative to Disney.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Kirk, welcome on the show. Love your work.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
As you know, we are all big fans, going back
for a long time and Brave. Tell everybody about Brave
for a second here as we dive into the Disney
disaster unfolding before our eyes.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Yeah, we could talk about that. We're so sad about
Disney not doing well at the box. Not really, It's
like it's like, no surprise, we know why parents and
families are not showing up to see snow White. When
you take a beloved classic like that and you strip
it of what's good and true and beautiful and replace
it with people who are promoting all.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
This woke garbage, people don't want to be a part
of it.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
So that's why I'm leaning into the new mister Rogers
for our kids and grandkids in a new show called
Iggy and Mister Kirk. It's a beautiful kids show that
parents can trust without a second thought, and it's going
to not only entertain kids and engage their imagination, but
actually teach them virtue and character.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Kirk Are you optimistic? Buck?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I had a big conversation about this obviously this
week surrounding the snow White debacle. Are you optimistic that
some of these big companies, even if they don't share
the same ideology or political beliefs, are recognizing that a
lot of the shows that were universal, and you were
in one of them, Growing Pains, The Cosby Show, Family
(20:51):
ties different different strokes. I mean, those shows were made
for everybody eight to eighty, and I don't remember them
having major political commentary. I feel like you could sit
down and watch them with your kids, your grandkids, and
everybody could enjoy them. Are we potentially headed more towards
(21:12):
that era the eighties the nineties, when the goal was
to try to entertain as many people as possible with
generally wholesome ideas about innate American goodness. I mean, could
that be coming back?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
I hope so, and I hope it gets even better
than the eighties. I hope we actually take it to
the next level. But who knows. I mean, I was
listening earlier to that guy that called in and he's
got a thirty nine year old girlfriend who was hoping
for the assassination of Trump. And Elon Musk what do
you do with something like that? It's like, well, wait
(21:49):
a minute, like, how do you even reason with a
person like that?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
That is just beyond you sane thinking. I mean, she's a.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Thirty nine year old don't know the woman, but you know,
when you're holding the government accountable to not spend trillions
of dollars more than it makes.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
And you know, you see John Stewart's reaction to what
was going on with some of these.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Policies, yeh are like, holy cow, you'd wonder like is
he just having the light bulb come on?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Now? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I sure hope that people are waking up and that
they'll they'll listen to common sense and reason and that
we can get back to the values that lead to
healthy families and good relationships and wholesomeness and fun.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But you never know, there's just craziness out there.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And of course that's what the radical political folks want
to do, is they want to they want the people
on the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
To think they're the ones who are crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
So I think at the end of the day, the
beauty of the way the world works is that kids
actually show up in homes with moms and dads. They're
not they're not produced and owned by the government. And
unless we give our kids over to the government for
bad stuff, we have the opportunity to actually teach them
what's good and true and wholesome and.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Right in our homes.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
And we've got to do that by the stories we
tell them, by the things that we say to them
at the kitchen table, and the songs we sing them
when they go to sleep at night.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
And that's what I'm trying to lean into.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
I'm fifty four, I got six kids and a granddaughter,
and I want to be a part of bringing our
culture back to what is wholesome and good.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Kerk. You moved to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I believe recently it feels like there are places maybe
outside of New York and LA. And I'm sure there's
some of this in New York and LA too, but
where there's green shoots of sanity, I would call it.
Nashville feels like one of those places. I think maybe
it's partly related to country music, where certainly the average
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country music singer and listener or is different than the
average pop or rap or r and b artists typically
in terms of their politics and the audience that they
speak to. I think it means that a city like Nashville,
where I live, is more welcoming of diverse entertainment viewpoints
maybe than others. Have you found that to be true?
Do you see other cities and states developing as entertainment capitals,
(24:22):
maybe different than the New York cities and las of
years past.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, that's one of the really cool things about technology.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
With all of its bad qualities, there's also new opportunities
for people. You can live anywhere now and you can
be a content creator. You don't have to be in
Hollywood under the contractor WITHIG Studio.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
You can have your own show.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
You can be you know, And that's what people are doing.
And in Nashville and the surrounding areas, there's so many creatives.
There's so many people who are promoting so many good things.
I mean, the Daily Wire folks.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Are right up here. If you like the Daily Wire.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
There's so many countries thing but also so many faith
based operations, movie makers like the Irwin Brothers.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, Dave Ramsey's right out here. You've got Chris Stapleton
right down the road. You've got I mean, it's just
it's it's weird.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
You walk into the grocery store and uh, you know
there's Carrie Underwood.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Uh you know, in in in in in.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
The cereal aisle, and and you end up having these
really cool conversations with a lot of people, and by
and large, people are wanting to get back to those
kinds of Americana, pro family, pro country, pro god messages.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
No no, no, nobody's perfect, No place is perfect. You know.
They they've got a they've got.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
An acute taste for whiskey out here in Tennessee, and
it's good whiskey, and that can lead to uh, a
lot of problems for for people in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But that's gonna be true everywhere. I'm thankful that we're here.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I missed the California sunshine, but I really love the
people in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
We're talking to Kirk Cameron, well know Kirk Cameron. He's
got Brave, a streaming streaming channel, creative stuff for kids. Kirk,
and I know that creating our own stuff is a
very important part of all of this. I know that
that's something that has been happening. You're doing that with
Brave and the streaming service. I'm also, though, curious the
degree to which the winds have shifted enough that maybe
(26:24):
now conversations with some of the very established players in
the entertainment space. You know, basically, do you think there
were a place now different than we were even a
year ago where maybe you could go to Disney executive
and say, hey, I'm Kirk Cameron. I know how to
do this stuff. Let's make a series that all kids
(26:45):
of all races and religions and you know, people have
different backgrounds, et cetera, we'll just enjoy.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, I think that. I think that is possible. And
with with the.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Success of shows that the big student is never thought
would do anything. For example, the Chosen, that's become a
cultural phenomenon. I mean, that's just that's that's everywhere now
and it's in the theater, it's.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
On streaming services. You know.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
They they they broke away and now they're doing their
own thing, and everybody wishes that they could do what
the Chosen did.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And this is about the life of Jesus and his friends.
I mean, who would have thunk.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
But but now they're realizing, uh, maybe we missed something here,
and so people want to make money.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I don't think at the very heart.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Of the leadership of these big companies, you know, Disney
or or or those that fund them. I remember seeing
a video with Larry I think as if I got
the right guy.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
If I got the whack Rock black Rock, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
And there was a video and they were just talking
about Target and you know, you know, is Target's gonna
come around to to to really listen to their customers
and that they don't want trans bathing suits for their
five year olds.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And ultimately he was saying that, you know, targeting.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
These big companies, they're not operating just off of the
profits from the from the customers. They're actually operating off
of these giant funds that give them capital. And there's
politicians who are funding the funds, who are winning based
off of political ideology, and they're forcing them to stick
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with that ideology or lose their capital. So it gets
like layered, and you know, goes way up into areas
that I'm not all that familiar with, but who knows.
I don't think we should wait around for Disney and
other big places to answer the clue phone. I think we,
as moms and dads and as good citizens need to
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understand that this isn't China where we have a dictator
and a few of their friends make everything happen. I
think this is the United States of America, where we
have a representative government that should represent our values, and
the way they figure those values out is by watching
how we do things at the grassroots level, and we
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hold them accountable.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Once we do that, now we.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Can start making our own our own schools, our own companies,
our own everything.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
And that's that's what I see happening, and I'm really
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Kirk, you're a student of media and entertainment, and obviously
you're having a lot of success with what you're building.
What do you think Walt Disney would think if he
looked back at the Disney Corporation now that he put
his heart and soul into found What do you think
his reaction would be to the modern corporation?
Speaker 7 (29:45):
You know, I was just watching some reaction videos of
Joe Rogan reacting to something, or John Stewart reacting to something,
and wouldn't that be a great reaction video. Yeah, Walt
Disney reacting to snow White today. I mean, he would
lose his mind because you know, I don't know the
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man personally, but certainly the branding for Walt Disney and
Walt Disney World and Disneyland, where I grew up going
it should be the happiest place on Earth's Earth.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And I think it Disney today would make him cry
because it's I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Back in the day, I think you're right. I mean,
the man put his heart in Soule. He mortgaged his
house to be able to make the nineteen thirty seven
Walt Disney Snow White movie, and he built his entire
career on to your point, Kirk, trying to make Disney
the happiest place on Earth. And I think they've totally
destroyed the brand that he built, and I would think
it would make him sick.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
And if we're not careful, you know, because we we
who have have good values have gotten out of places
of leadership in Hollywood, in Washington, d C. You know, politics, education,
We've outsourced that stuff to other people.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
People with lesser ideas are really.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Not just destroying a brand like Disney, but destroying the
whole concept of those who gave us this country. And
when do you go back to the founding fathers and
the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.
These are revolutionary ideas that brought more freedom, more opportunity,
more blessing to the world. And now we've got kids
growing up thinking that the United States of America is
about white supremacy. They have a completely wrong understanding of
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things because of the propaganda that's being foisted on them
in these places of leadership and culture shaping institutions. So
if we do love this country, if we do love
the values that it's built on, if we really think
that those values lead to blessing, and we need more
stuff like mister Rogers, and we need stuff like Iggy
(32:01):
and mister Kirk and companies like Brave Books, then we
need to support them. We need to get behind them,
and we need to start making more of them.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
How do folks go to Brave to stream some shows
for their kids that you're working on and I have
created Kirk.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Just download the Brave Plus app on your smart TV.
Just download the app, it's called Brave Plus, and you
can watch the first three episodes of my new kids
TV show, Iggy Mister Kirk for free, and then if
you want to see the other twenty episodes We've got
two full seasons already, complete episodes on forgiveness and teaching
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your kids about kindness, compassion, overcoming your fears, working together
as a team, faithfulness. Then you can just subscribe and
there's over fifty shows for kids, including old classics like
Bob the Builder, Strawberry Shortcake. Again, these are for little
kids four to eight years old, and then new shows
like Iggy and Mister.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Kirk wonderful Kirk. Appreciate you, sir, thanks for being here
with us.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Appreciate both of you, guys, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right,
I'm getting teed off on a lot of people, a
variety of different perspectives. Let's let them tea off. Houston
listener Angela somehow buck led me over the middle asking
me the difference between square dancing and line dancing. And
I didn't have any idea what it was, and Angela,
she's not happy.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Let's listen, Hey, guys, Angela from Houston, love you guys,
love your show. Listen daily. Okay, gentlemen, the difference between
square dancing and line dancing is square dancing is with
the partner. Line dancing is all on your own. And
I'm shamed that you being in Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Do you not know that?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Have a great day, boys, Thank you, Angela. I deserve
to be shamed for it. I did. She explained it
very easily. That makes total kind.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Of pulling your kind of pulled in your Tennessee card.
You're getting your Tennessee card suspended there, mister Nashville.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I know, born and raised here. I don't have a
good excuse. I don't have a good excuse for not knowing.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Eric.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
By the way, I asked this question of Kirk Cameron, which,
by the way, if you had told me, hey, yeah,
Kirk Cameron is just going to come on the show
every now and then when I was watching Growing Pains
back in the day, I would have been like, no way.
I mean I love that show. Eric in Wisconsin says
he's got family. His uncle worked directly for the Disney brothers,
Walt and Roy. Walt was the creative Roy was the
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business side of that studio. Eric, what did you want
to fill us in on?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Well, hey, gentlemen, it's great to be on your show.
And yes, my uncle. He didn't work directly with Walt.
He worked with Roy, but he knew well personally, and
you knew Roy. And these were very kind and gentlemen,
just like my uncle. And my uncle's been passed away
for a number of years, but and working directly with them,
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he has told me what they were like. And there's
just no doubt in anybody's mind who knows what they're
talking about, that these men would be turning over in
their grips right now if they saw what happened to
their company. And it's just it's terrible. It's terrible to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I appreciate your feedback, and I think that's definitely true.
Wide variety of topics. People went a weigh in and
Mary in South Carolina, what you got for.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
Us Hyde, gentlemen. Great to be on your show. Hey,
I wanted to comment on the suv, the short women
driving in SUVs, and the square dancing thing. I am
also a five foot two women and driving some version
of an suv or twelve passenger van for the last
thirty years. And the secret is or the tip is
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that hood ornament or that middle mound in the hood
that lines up with the curb or the shoulder line,
or just the side of the road if you're going
through a narrow part of traffic.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
By the way, do you I'm sorry to cut you off,
but are you like my wife? For people who are
five two driving big SUVs, this is like a major
issue that nobody talks about. Like, you guys have legit
trouble seeing over the hood?
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Well, oh absolutely, you can't see over the hood. The
women at church used to chuckle every time they see
me get out of the suburban.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Hey care beer, how tall are you? And Buck telling
and his wife to see by the.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Way, five three so basically the same size. But has
she ever driven It's got to be a suburban. It's
got to be an escalade, one of these big, big suv.
When you have a bunch of kids, I'll get not
gonna be able to drive all of a sudden
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Wanted to give credit to Bill Maher for being willing
to go actually meet with President and Trump in person.
He had a dinner with Kid Rock at the in
the White House after I believe they went into the
Oval Office as well. And I want to play some
of the cuts. This is from Bill Maher's HBO show,
(00:25):
and I think what Bill maher is saying here is
what many of you have found in your experience is
either listening to Trump on this program or other programs
over the last decade. I believe the number is that
I have been involved in interviewing Trump, either by myself
or with Buck now eleven times, and so I feel
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like I know Trump fairly well at this point. We've
talked to him for hours on this program during the
course of the last four years. And what Bill Maher
is saying is what I have found to be true
of Trump in private. He's an incredibly likable, charismatic guy
who frankly feels kind of like a grandpa when I
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have been around him. And let's listen to a couple
of these cuts. He also has and I think this
is important, a pretty good sense of humor. He's actually very,
very funny, and most of his critics don't get it.
Here's billmar saying he showed up with a list of
insults that Trump had called him, and Trump autographed it
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for him, which is incredible.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Listened to cut fifteen Before I.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Left for the Capitol. I had my staff collect and
print out this list of almost sixteen different insulting epithets
that the President has said about me, things like stupid, dummy,
low life, dummy, sleeves, bag, sick said, stone cold crazy,
really a dumb guy, fired like a dog, his show
(01:59):
is dead.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It was sixty.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I brought this to the White House because I wanted
him to sign.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It, which he did, which he did with good humor.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
All Right, I mean, this is how it should be.
I talked about the Taylor Lorenz. Oh he's a morally
good man. That's not how it should be. How it
should be is people can disagree, sometimes they might even
say mean things, but when they meet face to face
they behave like adults. And most of the time I
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have found when you meet someone face to face, you
are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone
like Donald Trump that is actually very likable. We've said
on this program for a long time. Look, you can
disagree with his policies. I am one hundred percent of
the opinion that you can look at Trump's policies and
you can say I hate the terrif ideas. You can say, hey,
(03:00):
I think we should have free and wide open borders.
You can say police are too empowered, or he's taking
too much executive authority. I don't agree with those arguments,
but I think you can make those arguments and be
a rational, normal human being. What you can't say is
he's Hitler. He is not in any way remotely similar
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to Adolf Hitler. Disagree with his policies, attacking him personally
is absurd. And what I have said for some time is,
and I bet what Bill Maher now recognizes. Trump is
an energy person. Whatever energy you give to him, he
gives back to you ten x. So if you are
favorable and kind, he's going to be ten times as
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favorable and ten times as kind to you. If you
are unfavorable, uncharitable, cruel, mean, he's going to give that
back to you ten x. Whatever you give Trump gives
back ten x. That's the lesson that everybody should have
learned by now, and actually, face to face, he tends
to be really good.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I've said this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Before I met Trump for the first time in person
in October of twenty twenty. I took my wife and
at the time oldest son, who was I believe in
seventh grade.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Trump was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
With him, unbelievable with my seventh grader in the Oval
Office the time he spent with him, he was just
a fabulous, grandfatherly like figure. My wife, like a lot
of women, was not a huge fan of Donald Trump
before she met him. After meeting him in the Oval Office,
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since she's met him a couple of times since, she
loves him. He is really incredible face to face one
on one, not only with the people there, but with kids.
Really really good with kids. He's met my all of
my sons, by the way, they were more interested in
meeting mister Beast than the President. No offense to the President,
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but he's met all of my kids. Fabulous with all
of them, just like a good grandpa would be. And
I bet if you had the good fortune to get
to meet the President and you got to meet him
with your kids or with your grandkids. He would be
phenomenal with them. And this is what Bill maher is saying.
Bill maher like kind of built this mountain of Trump
(05:28):
as an awful person based on public persona, and then
he had to go out and tell his audience on Friday. Actually,
we had a phenomenal dinner and Trump was incredible. Here
is Bill maher on meeting Trump cut sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He laughs just for starters, he laughs.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does,
including it himself, and it's not fake. Believe me, as
a comedian of forty years, I know a fake laugh
when I hear it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Example, in the Over Office, he was showing me the
portraits of presidents and he pointed to Reagan and said,
in all seriousness, you know the best thing about him
his hair. I said, well, there was also that whole
bringing down communism thing. Waiting for the button next to
the diet coke button to get pushed and I.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Go through the trap door.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But no, he laughed.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He got it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He has a really good sense of humor. He's also
insanely self aware. Some of you may have seen me
on Fox and Friends over the weekend. I'll take feedback.
By the way, eight hundred two two eight a two.
I'll tell you what my mom said in a moment,
but I said this because we were playing some of
the cuts from the moment. Jimmy Fallon allowed himself to
(06:51):
get bullied for humanizing Trump. Every comedian by and large
was terrified of the general public, and they refuse to
treat Trump like a normal human being. It's actually incredibly
unfortunate because if you go back and watch Trump on
Saturday Night Live, he has a great sense of humor.
(07:12):
I think Trump would have been really good on Jimmy Kimmel.
I think he would have been really good with Fallan.
I think he would have been really good with Stephen
Colbert and on Saturday Night Live, because unlike a lot
of politicians, he actually has a good sense of humor
about himself. And I have made this argument for a
long time on the dictator front. Dictators don't have good
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senses of humor because humor requires a knowledge and nuance
of how you are seen in the world that is
at large. And that's why dictators require complete obsequiousness. They
require that you basically been the need to them all
(07:56):
the time that you genuflect at their photo that's hanging
on the wall, at their portrait, because they have to
be seen as larger than you, more important than you,
and comedy cuts everybody down the size. This is why
having kids important in many ways. I think kids tell
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you exactly what they think. Kids and old people, super
old people, they're like, I don't give a heck anymore.
Super young kids they don't have the filters built in
to say what they think.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I mean, there's tons of things that kids will say,
but I remember my three year old got me good
about seven years ago, the youngest at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We were playing.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
He said, Dad, he said, yeah, said you have old hands.
I never thought about my hands in my entire life,
holding them up now for you on video.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He's like, they're wrinkly, they're like old man hands. And
I was like, I never even thought of it. Now
what my hands look like before? I didn't think I
was George Costanza hand model. But my three year old
is like, you know, like, hey, Dad, you know you're
not a super young guy anymore. You got old guy hands.
And it's that puncturing right, And I'll play you a
(09:16):
cut and a little bit of Trump on Air Force
one after he was at the UFC three fourteen with
Kai Trump, his granddaughter. The grandkids make fun of him.
That's healthy. Yeah, he's the president of the United States,
but he's also grandpa and grandma, and he and Milania,
and so they have normal human interactions. I don't imagine
(09:39):
that Kim Jong un has very many normal interactions. I
frankly don't imagine that Vladimir Putin has very many normal
human interactions. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what Bill
Maher was getting at here. Also, he says Trump was
gracious and measured, and his audience is hearing what is
the truth. But much like when I was talking about
earlier with George Clooney and the play, they aren't able
(10:03):
to see the larger perspective because many of them have
bought into the idea that he's Hitler. Listen to cut fourteen.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
He said, you know, I've heard from a lot of
people who really liked that we're having this dinner.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Not all, but a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And I said same. A lot of people told me
they loved it, but not all, and we agreed. The
people who don't even want us to talk we don't like.
You don't talk as opposed to what writing the same
editorial for the millionth time and making twenty five hour
speeches into the wind. Okay, that's my report. You can
(10:38):
hate me for it, but I'm not a liar. Trump
was gracious and measured. And why he isn't that in
other settings I don't know, and I can't answer, and
it's not my place to answer. I'm just telling you
what I saw, and I wasn't high.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's great and that audience.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Again, I encourage as many of these outreaches as Trump
can do. I think if you meet him face to face,
the caricature that you have built in your mind on
the left is not represented by the man that you
will meet. I guarantee you that. And we have a
tendency in this world, and I try to be conscious
(11:19):
of it in the way that I talk to to
build twenty foot tall caricatures of people that are just
a few inches deep. In other words, when you walk
up to it, it's like you can punch through it
and it's paper mache. It looks like this huge statue.
Oh my goodness, look at this. This is twenty feet tall.
(11:41):
You can't miss it, and then when you're actually confronted
with it, you realize there's no depth to it. You
can punch right through it and you see the real
person on the other side. Now, some people are fake.
Many politicians, I would say, are fake because they're desperate.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
To make you like them.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They feel like if they pretend to be something, that
you will like them. Trump is not that. It's why
he wasn't a professional politician. He is just himself, for
better or worse. And I think the reason why he
had so much more support by twenty twenty four is
a lot of people saw what Bill Maher did, which
(12:24):
is that twenty foot caricature that the legacy media were
telling you that he's Adolf Hitler, that he's got the
Hitler mustache, that he's gonna it's not real. It wasn't
in any way accurate. And meanwhile, the twenty foot caricature
that they tried to create of Joe Biden, which was
incredibly beneficial, when you got up close to it, you
saw that that was all fake. Two And I've said
(12:48):
in my new book that I'm writing, I think this
gets to the essence of it. Authenticity ends, cancel culture.
When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better
or worse.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You can't be.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Canceled in public anymore because people are over it now.
If you lie, if you are fake, if you are
not honest with your audience, then you can be canceled.
And I'll give you an example that just as historic.
Why did Bill Clinton keep his job after he had
(13:25):
an affair with an intern in the Oval Office? Bill
Clinton slept with an intern. Now you can say, Okay,
well that was nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven, it's
a different era, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Think that's true.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But the reason why I think he kept his job
was because, deep down, a lot of people kind of
thought that that was something that Bill Clinton might do.
You didn't really think, oh, this is a guy who's
completely committed to his wife. You didn't think Bill and
Hillary Clinton, this is the greatest couple of our lives.
(14:02):
You kind of thought Bill Clinton not really that much
into Hillary Clinton's probably going to sleep with somebody else
while he's president. I think if George W. Bush had done,
it might have cost him his job. I think if
Barack Obama had done, it might have cost him his job.
But Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what
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we anticipated and believed about him. I think Clinton was
authentically himself. Think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't.
I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you
would think he is if you are honest and have
been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think
(14:43):
what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I've experienced, It's what
Buck experienced, It's what most of you would experience. If
you had the opportunity to meet Trump, and if you
took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump too, I'm
telling you you would really like him, and.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
He would be fatbulous with you.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That, I believe is one reason that he's been so
successful as a politician. He's actually just kind of a
likable guy. And if you remember before he got into politics,
that was his reputation. A little bit of a bragger,
a little bit in love with himself. Yeah, you can
say that about Trump. I was just playing one of
(15:23):
the West Palm Beach and he had framed that he
was one of the richest people.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
In the world.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
In the in the locker room, all the different paintings
and pictures hanging on the wall. I think a lot
of rich people probably wouldn't frame the magazine cover that
called them one of the richest people in the world
and hang it up in their locker room. But that's Trump,
and I think the reason why he's having so much
more success in this second term is more and more
(15:51):
people are like Bill Maher finding out what the truth is. Wellok,
tax filing deadline for the irs. Good for him for meeting,
Good for Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock
Dana White for setting it up. I think we need
way more of this.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better
or worse, you can't be canceled in public anymore because
people are over it now. If you lie, if you
are fake, if you are not honest with your audience,
then you can be canceled. And I'll give you an
(16:28):
example that just as historic. Why did Bill Clinton keep
his job after he had an an affair with an intern.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
In the Oval office?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Bill Clinton slept with an intern. Now you can say, Okay,
well that was nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven. It's
a different era, and I think that's true. But The
reason why I think he kept his job was because,
deep down, a lot of people kind of thought that
that was something that Bill Clinton might do. You didn't
(17:00):
really think, oh, this is a guy who's completely committed
to his wife. You didn't think Bill and Hillary Clinton,
this is the greatest couple of our lives. You kind
of thought Bill Clinton not really that much into Hillary
Clinton's probably going to sleep with somebody else while he's president.
I think if George W. Bush had done, it might
(17:22):
have cost him his job. I think if Barack Obama
had done, it might have cost him his job. But
Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what we
anticipated and believed about him. I think Clinton was authentically himself.
I think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't.
I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you
(17:45):
would think he is if you are honest and have
been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think
what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I've experienced, it's what
Buck experienced, It's what most of you would experience if
you had the opportunity to meet Trump, and if you
took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump too. I'm
(18:05):
telling you, you would really like him and he would
be fabulous with you. That, I believe is one reason
that he's been so successful as a politician. He's actually
just kind of a likable guy. And if you remember
before he got into politics, that was his reputation. A
little bit of a bragger, a little bit in love
(18:27):
with himself. Yeah, you can say that about Trump. I
was just playing one of the West Palm Beach and
he had framed that he was one of the richest
people in the world in the in the locker room,
all the different paintings and pictures hanging on the wall.
I think a lot of rich people probably wouldn't frame
the magazine cover that called them one of the richest
(18:48):
people in the world and hang it up in their
locker room. But that's Trump, and I think the reason
why he's having so much more success in this second
term is more and more people are like Bill Maher
finding out what the truth is well, tax filing deadline
for the irs. Good for him for meeting, Good for
Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock Dana White
(19:08):
for setting it up. I think we need way.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
More of this.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We've got Kirk Cameron joining us. He wants to talk
to us about an alternative to Disney.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Kirk, welcome on the show. Love your work.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
As you know, we are all big fans, going back
for a long time and Brave. Tell everybody about Brave
for a second here as we dive into the Disney
disaster unfolding before our eyes.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Yeah, we could talk about that. We're so sad about
Disney not doing well at the box. Not really, It's
like it's like, no surprise, we know why parents and
families are not showing up to see snow White. When
you take a beloved classic like that and you strip
it of what's good and true and beautiful and replace
it with people who are promoting all.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
This woke garbage, people don't want to be a part
of it.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
So that's why I'm leaning into the new mister Rogers
for our kids and grandkids in a new show called
Iggy and Mister Kirk. It's a beautiful kids show that
parents can trust without a second thought, and it's going
to not only entertain kids and engage their imagination, but
actually teach them virtue and character.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Kirk Are you optimistic? Buck?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I had a big conversation about this obviously this
week surrounding the snow White debacle. Are you optimistic that
some of these big companies, even if they don't share
the same ideology or political beliefs, are recognizing that a
lot of the shows that were universal, and you were
in one of them, Growing Pains, The Cosby Show, Family
(20:51):
ties different different strokes. I mean, those shows were made
for everybody eight to eighty, and I don't remember them
having major political commentary. I feel like you could sit
down and watch them with your kids, your grandkids, and
everybody could enjoy them. Are we potentially headed more towards
(21:12):
that era the eighties the nineties, when the goal was
to try to entertain as many people as possible with
generally wholesome ideas about innate American goodness. I mean, could
that be coming back?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
I hope so, and I hope it gets even better
than the eighties. I hope we actually take it to
the next level. But who knows. I mean, I was
listening earlier to that guy that called in and he's
got a thirty nine year old girlfriend who was hoping
for the assassination of Trump. And Elon Musk what do
you do with something like that? It's like, well, wait
(21:49):
a minute, like, how do you even reason with a
person like that?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
That is just beyond you sane thinking. I mean, she's a.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Thirty nine year old don't know the woman, but you know,
when you're holding the government accountable to not spend trillions
of dollars more than it makes.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
And you know, you see John Stewart's reaction to what
was going on with some of these.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Policies, yeh are like, holy cow, you'd wonder like is
he just having the light bulb come on?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Now? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I sure hope that people are waking up and that
they'll they'll listen to common sense and reason and that
we can get back to the values that lead to
healthy families and good relationships and wholesomeness and fun.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But you never know, there's just craziness out there.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
And of course that's what the radical political folks want
to do, is they want to they want the people
on the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
To think they're the ones who are crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
So I think at the end of the day, the
beauty of the way the world works is that kids
actually show up in homes with moms and dads. They're
not they're not produced and owned by the government. And
unless we give our kids over to the government for
bad stuff, we have the opportunity to actually teach them
what's good and true and wholesome and.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Right in our homes.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
And we've got to do that by the stories we
tell them, by the things that we say to them
at the kitchen table, and the songs we sing them
when they go to sleep at night.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
And that's what I'm trying to lean into.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
I'm fifty four, I got six kids and a granddaughter,
and I want to be a part of bringing our
culture back to what is wholesome and good.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Kerk. You moved to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I believe recently it feels like there are places maybe
outside of New York and LA. And I'm sure there's
some of this in New York and LA too, but
where there's green shoots of sanity, I would call it.
Nashville feels like one of those places. I think maybe
it's partly related to country music, where certainly the average
(23:57):
country music singer and listener or is different than the
average pop or rap or r and b artists typically
in terms of their politics and the audience that they
speak to. I think it means that a city like Nashville,
where I live, is more welcoming of diverse entertainment viewpoints
maybe than others. Have you found that to be true?
Do you see other cities and states developing as entertainment capitals,
(24:22):
maybe different than the New York cities and las of
years past.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, that's one of the really cool things about technology.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
With all of its bad qualities, there's also new opportunities
for people. You can live anywhere now and you can
be a content creator. You don't have to be in
Hollywood under the contractor WITHIG Studio.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
You can have your own show.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
You can be you know, And that's what people are doing.
And in Nashville and the surrounding areas, there's so many creatives.
There's so many people who are promoting so many good things.
I mean, the Daily Wire folks.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Are right up here. If you like the Daily Wire.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
There's so many countries thing but also so many faith
based operations, movie makers like the Irwin Brothers.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, Dave Ramsey's right out here. You've got Chris Stapleton
right down the road. You've got I mean, it's just
it's it's weird.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
You walk into the grocery store and uh, you know
there's Carrie Underwood.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Uh you know, in in in in in.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
The cereal aisle, and and you end up having these
really cool conversations with a lot of people, and by
and large, people are wanting to get back to those
kinds of Americana, pro family, pro country, pro god messages.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
No no, no, nobody's perfect, No place is perfect. You know.
They they've got a they've got.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
An acute taste for whiskey out here in Tennessee, and
it's good whiskey, and that can lead to uh, a
lot of problems for for people in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But that's gonna be true everywhere. I'm thankful that we're here.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I missed the California sunshine, but I really love the
people in Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
We're talking to Kirk Cameron, well know Kirk Cameron. He's
got Brave, a streaming streaming channel, creative stuff for kids. Kirk,
and I know that creating our own stuff is a
very important part of all of this. I know that
that's something that has been happening. You're doing that with
Brave and the streaming service. I'm also, though, curious the
degree to which the winds have shifted enough that maybe
(26:24):
now conversations with some of the very established players in
the entertainment space. You know, basically, do you think there
were a place now different than we were even a
year ago where maybe you could go to Disney executive
and say, hey, I'm Kirk Cameron. I know how to
do this stuff. Let's make a series that all kids
(26:45):
of all races and religions and you know, people have
different backgrounds, et cetera, we'll just enjoy.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, I think that. I think that is possible. And
with with the.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Success of shows that the big student is never thought
would do anything. For example, the Chosen, that's become a
cultural phenomenon. I mean, that's just that's that's everywhere now
and it's in the theater, it's.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
On streaming services. You know.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
They they they broke away and now they're doing their
own thing, and everybody wishes that they could do what
the Chosen did.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And this is about the life of Jesus and his friends.
I mean, who would have thunk.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
But but now they're realizing, uh, maybe we missed something here,
and so people want to make money.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I don't think at the very heart.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Of the leadership of these big companies, you know, Disney
or or or those that fund them. I remember seeing
a video with Larry I think as if I got
the right guy.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
If I got the whack Rock black Rock, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
And there was a video and they were just talking
about Target and you know, you know, is Target's gonna
come around to to to really listen to their customers
and that they don't want trans bathing suits for their
five year olds.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And ultimately he was saying that, you know, targeting.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
These big companies, they're not operating just off of the
profits from the from the customers. They're actually operating off
of these giant funds that give them capital. And there's
politicians who are funding the funds, who are winning based
off of political ideology, and they're forcing them to stick
(28:25):
with that ideology or lose their capital. So it gets
like layered, and you know, goes way up into areas
that I'm not all that familiar with, but who knows.
I don't think we should wait around for Disney and
other big places to answer the clue phone. I think we,
as moms and dads and as good citizens need to
(28:46):
understand that this isn't China where we have a dictator
and a few of their friends make everything happen. I
think this is the United States of America, where we
have a representative government that should represent our values, and
the way they figure those values out is by watching
how we do things at the grassroots level, and we
(29:08):
hold them accountable.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Once we do that, now we.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Can start making our own our own schools, our own companies,
our own everything.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
And that's that's what I see happening, and I'm really
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Kirk, you're a student of media and entertainment, and obviously
you're having a lot of success with what you're building.
What do you think Walt Disney would think if he
looked back at the Disney Corporation now that he put
his heart and soul into found What do you think
his reaction would be to the modern corporation?
Speaker 7 (29:45):
You know, I was just watching some reaction videos of
Joe Rogan reacting to something, or John Stewart reacting to something,
and wouldn't that be a great reaction video. Yeah, Walt
Disney reacting to snow White today. I mean, he would
lose his mind because you know, I don't know the
(30:06):
man personally, but certainly the branding for Walt Disney and
Walt Disney World and Disneyland, where I grew up going
it should be the happiest place on Earth's Earth.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And I think it Disney today would make him cry
because it's I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Back in the day, I think you're right. I mean,
the man put his heart in Soule. He mortgaged his
house to be able to make the nineteen thirty seven
Walt Disney Snow White movie, and he built his entire
career on to your point, Kirk, trying to make Disney
the happiest place on Earth. And I think they've totally
destroyed the brand that he built, and I would think
it would make him sick.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
And if we're not careful, you know, because we we
who have have good values have gotten out of places
of leadership in Hollywood, in Washington, d C. You know, politics, education,
We've outsourced that stuff to other people.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
People with lesser ideas are really.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Not just destroying a brand like Disney, but destroying the
whole concept of those who gave us this country. And
when do you go back to the founding fathers and
the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights.
These are revolutionary ideas that brought more freedom, more opportunity,
more blessing to the world. And now we've got kids
growing up thinking that the United States of America is
about white supremacy. They have a completely wrong understanding of
(31:39):
things because of the propaganda that's being foisted on them
in these places of leadership and culture shaping institutions. So
if we do love this country, if we do love
the values that it's built on, if we really think
that those values lead to blessing, and we need more
stuff like mister Rogers, and we need stuff like Iggy
(32:01):
and mister Kirk and companies like Brave Books, then we
need to support them. We need to get behind them,
and we need to start making more of them.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
How do folks go to Brave to stream some shows
for their kids that you're working on and I have
created Kirk.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Just download the Brave Plus app on your smart TV.
Just download the app, it's called Brave Plus, and you
can watch the first three episodes of my new kids
TV show, Iggy Mister Kirk for free, and then if
you want to see the other twenty episodes We've got
two full seasons already, complete episodes on forgiveness and teaching
(32:37):
your kids about kindness, compassion, overcoming your fears, working together
as a team, faithfulness. Then you can just subscribe and
there's over fifty shows for kids, including old classics like
Bob the Builder, Strawberry Shortcake. Again, these are for little
kids four to eight years old, and then new shows
like Iggy and Mister.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Kirk wonderful Kirk. Appreciate you, sir, thanks for being here
with us.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Appreciate both of you, guys, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right,
I'm getting teed off on a lot of people, a
variety of different perspectives. Let's let them tea off. Houston
listener Angela somehow buck led me over the middle asking
me the difference between square dancing and line dancing. And
I didn't have any idea what it was, and Angela,
she's not happy.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Let's listen, Hey, guys, Angela from Houston, love you guys,
love your show. Listen daily. Okay, gentlemen, the difference between
square dancing and line dancing is square dancing is with
the partner. Line dancing is all on your own. And
I'm shamed that you being in Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Do you not know that?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Have a great day, boys, Thank you, Angela. I deserve
to be shamed for it. I did. She explained it
very easily. That makes total kind.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Of pulling your kind of pulled in your Tennessee card.
You're getting your Tennessee card suspended there, mister Nashville.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I know, born and raised here. I don't have a
good excuse. I don't have a good excuse for not knowing.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Eric.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
By the way, I asked this question of Kirk Cameron, which,
by the way, if you had told me, hey, yeah,
Kirk Cameron is just going to come on the show
every now and then when I was watching Growing Pains
back in the day, I would have been like, no way.
I mean I love that show. Eric in Wisconsin says
he's got family. His uncle worked directly for the Disney brothers,
Walt and Roy. Walt was the creative Roy was the
(34:30):
business side of that studio. Eric, what did you want
to fill us in on?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Well, hey, gentlemen, it's great to be on your show.
And yes, my uncle. He didn't work directly with Walt.
He worked with Roy, but he knew well personally, and
you knew Roy. And these were very kind and gentlemen,
just like my uncle. And my uncle's been passed away
for a number of years, but and working directly with them,
(34:56):
he has told me what they were like. And there's
just no doubt in anybody's mind who knows what they're
talking about, that these men would be turning over in
their grips right now if they saw what happened to
their company. And it's just it's terrible. It's terrible to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I appreciate your feedback, and I think that's definitely true.
Wide variety of topics. People went a weigh in and
Mary in South Carolina, what you got for.
Speaker 10 (35:20):
Us Hyde, gentlemen. Great to be on your show. Hey,
I wanted to comment on the suv, the short women
driving in SUVs, and the square dancing thing. I am
also a five foot two women and driving some version
of an suv or twelve passenger van for the last
thirty years. And the secret is or the tip is
(35:42):
that hood ornament or that middle mound in the hood
that lines up with the curb or the shoulder line,
or just the side of the road if you're going
through a narrow part of traffic.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
By the way, do you I'm sorry to cut you off,
but are you like my wife? For people who are
five two driving big SUVs, this is like a major
issue that nobody talks about. Like, you guys have legit
trouble seeing over the hood?
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Well, oh absolutely, you can't see over the hood. The
women at church used to chuckle every time they see
me get out of the suburban.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Hey care beer, how tall are you? And Buck telling
and his wife to see by the.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Way, five three so basically the same size. But has
she ever driven It's got to be a suburban. It's
got to be an escalade, one of these big, big suv.
When you have a bunch of kids, I'll get not
gonna be able to drive all of a sudden
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