September 1, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You guys know, I started off in the world of sports,
and the colleges are all returning to campus and during
the commercial break, I'm scrolling through checking to see what
all the latest news is. And I don't know how
many of you have seen these kind of stories. I
bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of
(00:26):
recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the
sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One
of our writers at OutKick, Joe Kinzie, who does fabulous
work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the
SEC sororities. It got eleven million views on Twitter, and
(00:50):
these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking
because I just shared the video that he shared on
social media, and I'm money, I'm kind of partly kidding
about this, but it's going to be harder in the
future to get into SEC schools than it is to
get into Ivy League schools. Because I tweet about this
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and I we're about to bring in Grant Napier and
I want to get his story because I think It
all kind of ties in with the cultural shift that
we're seeing. When I was a kid, you basically had
to have a pulse to get into an SEC school.
I graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven, and I
could have gotten into the University of Tennessee. Maybe as
(01:32):
a dead man. They probably would have admitted me if
I could have paid the tuition. Right now, the University
of Tennessee has a thirty eight percent at mid rate.
Ole Miss and people in Mississippi are going to kind of
know when you had a kid that was a troublemaker
and couldn't get into any other school, you were like,
all right, I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss.
(01:54):
It's hard to get into Ole Miss. Now, kids in
LA and Chicago and New York York City are cutting
each other in their admissions counselor offices to try to
get an invite to Starkville, Mississippi. I've never seen anything
like this. Every southern big school that plays football, every
(02:14):
Q girl wants to go there, and every guy who
likes Q girls wants to go there too. And there's
a lot of those people all over the country. But anyway,
let's bring in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic
of the cultural shift that we are seeing across the country.
But I want to go back in time, way way
back in time to five years ago, in the summer
of twenty twenty, Grant Napier with us now, and Grant,
(02:36):
I just want you to tell this audience your story
because we talked about it back in the day when
I was doing my sports talk radio show, and everybody
kind of turned their backs on you. But tell me
just kind of take for this audience, tell them what
was going on with you in the summer of twenty
twenty and what happened to you. I'm just going to
(02:58):
give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
On May thirty first of twenty twenty, I was sitting
in my living room watching TV and I got a
phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings,
Doug Christy, who is my co host on my radio show,
and he said, Napes, did you see the Marcus Cousin's tweet?
I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter
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of fact, I'm muted him. And he said you should
check it out. So I did, and it was at
Grant ne Peer's show. What do you think of BLM
and I said something like, hey, I haven't heard from
you in years. I thought you forgot about me. And
I responded with six words all lives matter, every single
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one in capital letters with three exclamation points. Well, all
of a sudden, I'm getting a lot of calls and messages.
Oh wow, I can't believe you said that. That was
Sunday night, at about six o'clock Tuesday afternoon. By two,
I had been fired by a radio station that I
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was at for twenty six years, same time slot for
twenty six years, highly rated show, and then I resigned
as the thirty two year TV voice of the Sacramento
Kings on that same day. That was five years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
This is I mean, I think it's important to remind
people of what was going on. So I want to
follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an
NBA player tweeting to you about black lives matter. All
lives matter, every single one, and you lost your radio job,
sports talk radio job of twenty six years, and your
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thirty two year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was gone
as well. Okay, that is I mean, it is really
very staggering. What was the response, both publicly and privately
to all of that happening to you in the early
summer of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Probably people were outraged. They were blown away. I had
some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach
out to me talking about how they couldn't believe it,
and then they were telling me that geez, they're going
to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't
or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing
(05:23):
is every single one of them said, I would love
to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They
were too afraid. That was what it was like. People
were too afraid to speak out and come to my
defense publicly. I had a lot of support, but unfortunately
this was one week after the murder of George Floyd.
You know what's crazy about this Clay leading up to
(05:45):
that May thirty first, May twenty fifth was when George
Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of
positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that
was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back
and look at those tweets. It was like, oh, wait
a minute, we have to fire Grant Napier. We have
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to show black lives matter, don't come after us. Oh no,
we fired a guy that set all lives matter. They panicked.
I mean, think about that. Clay a thirty two year career,
a twenty six year career. I didn't have one thing
in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonnaville International.
And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to
Bonneville International right now, if you google Bonnaville International leadership
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and you look at their leadership, every single person is
either a white male or a white female. No people
of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's an
absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the
sacrificial lamb to tell black lives matter, Hey, don't come
after us. We just fired a guy that set all
lives matter. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I remember covering it, and I believe we had you
on and we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous.
There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why
what lessons sitting here five years later, do you think
the country needs to take and to learn? What would
you hope By the way, before we get into the lessons,
(07:07):
let's go to the reason. I was very excited to
see this. You now are coming back on the air.
Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has,
so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You
are going to be back on the air after five
years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened
over the last couple of months. If you had ask
me a year ago if I thought I'd be back
on Sacramento Radio, I would have said, no way. I've
been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast in
October of twenty twenties, just a couple of months after
I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first
guest of my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a
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problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty
Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on Spudweb,
Reggie Theas, I had the former head coach Keith Smart on.
I mean, I didn't go on and on and on.
They didn't have any problem with it. It is just
a joke. But I am going back September second. I'm
starting on Fox Sports Radio, Sacramento. I'm very excited about it.
(08:08):
But you asked me a question about you know, what
have I learned in the last five years? You know
Zoobie music? Yea, yeah, well over a million followers on
social media. And I wrote this down a couple of
years ago because I thought he he deals in common sense.
He's like you, you know, you guys deal in common sense.
He wrote, Black lives matter because all lives matter. White
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lives matter because all lives matter. All lives couldn't matter
if black or white lives didn't matter or any others.
Stop being dumb and dividing over basic stuff we already
agree on. Here's what I've learned over the last five years.
I've been blessed to travel. I've been to Europe, I
frequently go to Thailand, and I talked to a lot
of people from a lot of different cultures, different backgrounds,
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different countries. We're the only people, I think, on the
planet that are even debating this and talking about this.
This is a topic anywhere else in the world. I
don't understand why here we are in twenty twenty five
and there are people even on my social media over
the last twenty four hours, you know, talking about, well, gee,
didn't he learn you can't say all lives matter. I
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know those are very much in the minority. Those were
only a few people. But the point is there are
still some people in this country that think that all
lives matter is a racist comment. I don't get that
all lives matter every single one doesn't have any great
area to me. All lives matter, every single one, I
would think is pretty self explanatory. But I think Zoobie
summarized it perfectly. So what have I learned in the
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last five years. I've learned that it's really only an
issue in America with the woke culture, and if you're
not politically correct, you're going to get attacked. I mean,
it's a joke. It's an absolute joke what I've gone through.
I've got great support. I don't have any problem putting
my head on the pillow at night. I'm grateful for
this opportunity to get back to Sacramento Radio. But again,
(10:00):
I don't know what the big deal is. And you know,
it's such a shame that in America, and I don't
want to go off on a tangent here, but everything's
about black and white. Why does it have to be
like that? Again, When I travel around the world and
talk to people from different cultures, it's not like that.
There in Thailand, which I love and it's a great country.
They don't care what your ethnicity is, your religion, your
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sexual orientation. They're just good people. They're happy people, they work.
They don't even talk about this stuff. But in America,
it's like a daily conversation. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think that's an important conversation. And I want to
go back to the difference between public and private commentary.
What I try to do for better or worse, and
I screw up all the time on the show. I
can barely pronounce half the words that I try to
say on a day to day basis, especially as anybody
long term listening would recognize. Try to have fun with it.
But what I try to do is there's very little
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difference between what I would say publicly and what I
would say privately. And I think that's why people have
never really enable Grant to come after me, because that's
what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying I'm perfect,
but I'm just saying there is no gap. If I
go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which I'm going
to do with my kids, and you see me there,
what I would say to you in person is the
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same thing that I would say on the radio. Now,
maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event, you know,
things like that. I have FCC restrictions here, So you know,
with that limited difference for you, what I found during
the BLM era, during COVID, during the summer of twenty twenty,
all of that, so many people said to me privately,
(11:34):
I agree one hundred percent with everything you're saying, but
I'm afraid to say it publicly. And that's how the
world becomes. What happened to you is people know it's wrong,
but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine
you saw better than most that dichotomy between what people
would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Totally, you're one hundred percent correct. And here's another aspect
of what I went through five years ago. So I
was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down
in thirty six hours in the early two thousands. I
started a foundation and Sacramento called the Future Foundation. I
had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is
we took underprivileged, at need students from high schools in
the Sacramento area. All Right, they had to fit a
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certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean
it was incredible my foundation that I raised the money for.
We put one hundred and four students into college and
through college, most of whom were minorities. Okay, nobody spent
five minutes and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait
a minute, look at what this guy's done for the community.
(12:40):
Look what he's done for the black community. I think
we had thirty eight students of color that I put
through college. It's like that didn't matter. It was just
a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me.
And I agree with you about the private public thing.
I think things are different now, and I think people
are much more open about coming out and feeling confident
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about speaking your opinion and what they believe in. But
in twenty twenty, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay.
I mean people that listen if you were white I'm
just you know this. If you were a white person
in the media, okay, you had to be walking on
eggshells to go out and say anything even remostly negative
about Black Lives matter. I mean, you would have been canceled.
(13:25):
I was canceled, right, I was canceled five years ago.
I was part of the cancel culture and everyone knows it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I think so. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Look, Grant, congratulations on your new radio show in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Again.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I know a lot of people out there listening to
us right now in Sacramento know you well, and I
am glad that you are finally getting back to doing
what you do well. But I do think it's a
lesson of how the world lost its mind in sports
and otherwise, culture, politics, everywhere else. I appreciate you making
the time for us, and congrats on the new show.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy,
I have no regrets. I'm all good, and I can't
wait for this next chapter. And I greatly respect you,
love your work and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. A lot
of reaction. Weighing into Grant Napier's story there, I think
a lot of people can see in him a story
that was completely wrong, and I think it's emblematic of
us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five
years ago. That he is coming back on the air,
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and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a
big theory for you on culture that I'm going to
hit you with at the top of the bottom of
this next hour. But in the meantime, I never would
have expected to get a call like this, but lou
and Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist and he
wants to talk about tall mountains. Lou, what you got, hey.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Clay appreciate it. Yeah, I am a geologist, and I
wanted to let Colorado God know that during the Paleozoic era,
the Rocky Mountains are about twelve thousand feet, but in
the Paleozoic era, the Smoking Mountains were as high as
the Alps, which are over twenty thousand feet, which basically
dwarf his Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Just so he'll know, oh wow, this is mountain trash talk.
So the Smoking Mountains would have been what twenty thousand
some odds. So they're just older and they've been like
worn down. Is that what's happened?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Precisely, they were over twenty thousand feet. They were high
as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies
have a ways to go, but I think they're pretty
much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that.
I mean, if you can hang out another four hundred
million years, we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But anyway, thank you for the call, Lou That is
a shot. Thank you for the call that is shots
fired back at Colorado. Oh yeah, your mountains are fine now,
but only because the smoking Mountains were so much more
spectacular other than yours that they have endured for so
long that they have lost fourteen thousand square feet or
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height elevation. It's like the tallest man in the world,
except now he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado. Frankly,
maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk.
You are listening to the best of Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton. Now, I want to have a big conversation
about this because I do think that much of the
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ills that have been created in this country are slowly
being eradicated, and I think a lot of it is
directly connected to social media. And I've been thinking a
lot about this because culture and I understand by the way,
in the third hour, we're going to talk about Hollywood
movie some and I understand. Let me give you a
couple of updates, because everything is basically a court decision
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that happens every single day. Have you noticed that almost
every bit of opposition for Trump is now court related,
So it feels like every day we have a different
Department of Justice update, we have a different Circuit Court update,
district court update. I never would have believed when I
went to law school twenty some odd years ago that
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I would end up doing what I do today and
that so much of everything would boil down to what
judges are saying on a day to day basis. But
I do want to mention this because it is a
significant court ruling and its in favor of Trump, as
most of these rulings frankly have been. And so let
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me give this to you straight. This happened in the
last hour and a half or so. I mentioned already
that Pam Bondi has authorized special prosecutor Ed Martin to
look into Senator Adam Schiff of California and Letitia James
relating to mortgage fraud. This is I'm reading directly from
Bill Malujin at Fox News. A federal appeals court has
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reversed federal Judge James Boseberg's rule of probable cause to
hold the Trump administration in contempt of court over the
deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to l Salvador via the
Alien Enemies Act. Legal win for Trump administration, and that
is very detailed packed with legalies there. But basically what
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it means is the president can put illegal immigrants on airplanes,
especially if they have violent records, and send them out
of the country. And individual judges don't have the power
to decide, hey, turn that plane around. You don't have
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executive authority to do that. So this is the DC circuit.
This was one judge Boseberg, who is basically decided that
he is the Trump opposition, the chief of the Trump
opposition in judicial robes sitting not the full DCA circuit,
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but a three judge panel has overturned that decision two
to one. So from here and again, I never would
have believe that this is what I would go to
law school and end up doing, because I didn't think
really that the courts would essentially become our news stories
on a day to day basis. From here, there is
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either a full appeal to the entire DC Circuit, all
of them. There are a bunch of judges there, or
this would then go on to the Supreme Court if
it were in some way appealed, and we would find
out whether or not it is able to that that
ruling is able to stand. I'm here to tell you
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it is not an individual federal district court judge, as
we told you when this happened, does not have the
power to say to the President of the United States,
turn that plane around and bring it back to the country.
That is the fact that he attempted to do. It
is crazy. It is not dissimilar to what happened in
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the Ninth Circuit when you had I believe it was
Judge Bryer, a federal district court judge there try to
say Trump didn't have the ability to call in the
Guard to help with all of the protests that were
going on against Ice. If the president can't call in
state and National Guard and if he doesn't have the
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power when he sees issues arising to put them down,
then there is no supremacy clause. And we told you
this at the time. Individual state governors cannot overrule the
president of the United States when it comes to issues
relating to the National Guard or to the State Guard.
So anyway, all of that has continued to be a battle.
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Trump is in the right. All of the resistance two
point zero is not coming, by and large from the
Democrat Party. It's not coming from organized mass protests. There's
been virtually none. Is not the energy this term to
be doing that, even with likely money being spent by
Trump's adversaries. So it's basically federal district court judges who
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have decided, we don't like some of the decisions that
Trump is making and we are going to oppose them.
So that happened today Boseburg in DC being shot down
by the three judge panel that considered the ruling that
he attempted to put in place that would have limited
President Trump's power. Okay, now you just heard from Grant Napier,
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who was fired. He said he spent thirty two years
as the voice of the Sacramento Kings twenty six years
doing sports, and he lost his job for tweeting all
lives Matter, every single one. Five years later, credit to
Fox Sports Radio Sacramento, he is being given back his
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ability to talk about sports on the radio. But I
don't know if there is a better story out there
than Grant Napiers to illustrate just how crazy the country
went and how crazy sports went. I did a story,
and I was one of the few people who would
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actually speak out in favor of Grant, because Bucket likes
to joke about this sometimes. But when you attack me,
I double or triple or quadruple down. I don't tiptoe up.
I don't step back and say, hey, I'm sorry, I
was wrong here. I knew in real time, as most
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people did. Firing somebody for tweeting all lives matter, every
single one is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and it
is not racist, and it is not worthy of someone
losing their job, a job that they had done well
for thirty two years and twenty six years. Most people
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knew that most people were cowards, and this is how
Buck and I met because Buck was similar in that
he didn't back down surrounding COVID. He didn't back down
surrounding BLM, and neither did I, and what has often
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disappointed me. And I'm glad that we're in the payback
stage where so many people who made so many awful
decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm
still very troubled that all of that happened, because what
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it told me about human nature is cowardice is far
more common than bravery. And what it told me was
a lot of people will shut their mouths if they
think anything negative might happen to them, even if they
know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in
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those days, would regularly come on my show and I
would call out rich people because I got so angry.
I understand. I don't think it's fair. I don't think
it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach. But
I understood in twenty twenty, if you had a job,
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you were trying to get your kid into college, you
had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I
can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a
lot of those people were afraid to speak out because
they had no power. And that's why really starting about
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twenty twenty, when I would see people out in public,
and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck
in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, what people would come
up and say to me was you say what I
wish I could say?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And as a guy who did sports, I never had
heard that before because it's sports, right, like, who cares?
I love it. But if I say that your team's
gonna win the super Bowl or lose the Super Bowl,
or win the National Championship or not win the National
Championship or bad that was.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
A bad call.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I love it, but it's the toy chest of life.
Unless you're on the team, own the team, or are
in some way directly compensated by the team, whoever wins
a championship doesn't probably change your life that much. But
in twenty twenty during COVID, during BLM, when they tried
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to put President Trump in prison for the rest of
his life life, that stuff really does matter. And so
I understood if you were out there and you were struggling,
and you just wanted to pay your mortgage, and you
just wanted to get your kids into school, and you
would get on social media and you would think, man,
I really want to say something. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot
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of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram or maybe
even an email that you were thinking about sending inside
of your company, and then you hit delete because you said,
I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary
job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion,
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is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary.
So I understood why those people, why many of y'all
out there, I have been in this world before. I
understood why a lot of people hit delete. The people
that I still have a lot of contempt for are
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the people who were fil rich, said they agreed with
everything that I said, and then never spoke out. Because
I gotta be honest with y'all. If you have fu money,
if you have money where you're never gonna have to
worry about paying a mortgage, you got a second home,
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you got a third home, you got fancy cars, you
got kids that you can stroke a check for to
go to any college in the country. Your cowardice made
me sick, and I saw it everywhere. People who run companies,
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people who never had to worry about anything, financially for
the rest of their life. They turned tail. They to
me were the biggest cowards because they were the kind
of people who said fire fire, Grant Napier for saying
all lives matter, every single one. And frankly, I'm never
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going to forgive those people because a lot of them
now they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay we get a
tax cut. Boy, I'm glad Trump won. Where were you
when it mattered? I think about this all the time.
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Where were you when there were consequences, when there were
cost when somebody might not set you on whatever flipping
charity board you're on. Where were you? You were a
yellow bellied coward. You let situations like Grant Napier happen everywhere,
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and you didn't do a damn thing. So money is
only useful in the context of what it allows you
to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do.
There's a great line. This is why when everybody drafts
new quarterbacks, what they care about so much is how
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much do you love what you do? Because as soon
as you get that fifty million dollar check, there's pretty
girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations. If
you don't love what you're doing, money will make you
more of what you already are. If you are a
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die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding, and
I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company, you
sign a fifty million dollar deal, you do the same
thing you were doing before you got the money. But
if you're the kind of person who looks around worries
all the time about what people are gonna say about you,
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you become even more of a coward the more money
you get. And there are so many of those people
out there, and I think about them. The Grant Napier
story is a good one. Most of us are never
going to have billions of dollars. We're not going to
own radio stations, we're not going to own companies that
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when they come to you with an employee sending a tweet,
it's your decision what to do. But a lot of
people had that. And now that Trump's in office, there
waving the pom poms and they're running around and they're cheering.
I don't care who wants to celebrate after a victory.
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I want to know who's going to be there when
you get your ass kicked because that's character, that's courage
and Grant Napier story. Oh, there's an awful lot of
people who will send you a text or make a
phone call and say, boy, I feel really bad for you. Yeah,
that'll be you know, would be great. As if you
would say that public, well I can't do that, Well,
(30:57):
they might be mad at me. Then so many people
who knew better, and so many people who had the
resources to have nobody ever actually be able to do
anything to them. They were nowhere to be found when
it mattered most. And now guess what, you look up
and some of those people are some of the biggest
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cheerleaders because Trump's back in office. Now, just remember it,
and remember how quickly those front runners will fade as
soon as somebody else is in power and as soon
as somebody else makes them a little bit uncomfortable and
requires any element of courage to speak out against what
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they believe is wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
More marital experience here. I was not really aware of this,
and now I'm such a young man in the marriage
game when yeah, I'm a newbie into all this. Your
wife can look at you and be a little unhappy,
quite unhappy, quite sternly, and you can ask her, hey, honey,
what's going on. She said nothing, I'm fine, and you
(32:06):
say are you sure. She goes, I'm fine, and then
you know she's not fine, and then you say okay,
and then you try to like escape the situation, and
right before you leave the room, she goes, you know
what you did in my dream last night. Now the
answer to that is, of course no, but play I
did grow that you could be in trouble as husband
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for whatever the wife has had a dream about.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
All right, So here's the flip side. Can you imagine
holding her accountable in any way or being angry for
her based on something that she did in your dream.
Has this happened at any point in your relationship that
you can remember so far?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
So do you think it's only I don't know because
I'm with no. But my understanding is these are the
rules of marriage. Like, wife is allowed to be annoyed
over morning coffee for at least a little bit if
you were naughty in the dream that she had, even
if she knows it was a dream. These are the rules.
I don't make the rules.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, No, I get it. I'm just trying to think
why would women be able to get mad at their husbands?
But I'm just asking because I can't recall ever being
angry at my wife over something that she did in
my dream?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Right, has Laura ever been mad at you for what
you did in her dream?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's a great question. We've been married for almost twenty
one years. I'm sure I've given her ample reasons to
be mad at me for many reasons, both awake and dreaming,
over those twenty one years. But I can't remember. But
it feels like probably yes is the answer. But it
is an interesting question because my point is if you
had been angry at her, I don't think it would
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be accepted. No, of course not.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I'm a dude. We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, why is it acceptable the opposite direction? I think
it's an interesting question. I'm going to go downstairs and
ask you. Men and women are different, buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I do know
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with Klay,
Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You guys know, I started off in the world of sports,
and the colleges are all returning to campus and during
the commercial break, I'm scrolling through checking to see what
all the latest news is. And I don't know how
many of you have seen these kind of stories. I
bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of
(00:26):
recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the
sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One
of our writers at OutKick, Joe Kinzie, who does fabulous
work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the
SEC sororities. It got eleven million views on Twitter, and
(00:50):
these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking
because I just shared the video that he shared on
social media, and I'm money, I'm kind of partly kidding
about this, but it's going to be harder in the
future to get into SEC schools than it is to
get into Ivy League schools. Because I tweet about this
(01:10):
and I we're about to bring in Grant Napier and
I want to get his story because I think It
all kind of ties in with the cultural shift that
we're seeing. When I was a kid, you basically had
to have a pulse to get into an SEC school.
I graduated high school in nineteen ninety seven, and I
could have gotten into the University of Tennessee. Maybe as
(01:32):
a dead man. They probably would have admitted me if
I could have paid the tuition. Right now, the University
of Tennessee has a thirty eight percent at mid rate.
Ole Miss and people in Mississippi are going to kind of
know when you had a kid that was a troublemaker
and couldn't get into any other school, you were like,
all right, I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss.
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It's hard to get into Ole Miss. Now, kids in
LA and Chicago and New York York City are cutting
each other in their admissions counselor offices to try to
get an invite to Starkville, Mississippi. I've never seen anything
like this. Every southern big school that plays football, every
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Q girl wants to go there, and every guy who
likes Q girls wants to go there too. And there's
a lot of those people all over the country. But anyway,
let's bring in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic
of the cultural shift that we are seeing across the country.
But I want to go back in time, way way
back in time to five years ago, in the summer
of twenty twenty, Grant Napier with us now, and Grant,
(02:36):
I just want you to tell this audience your story
because we talked about it back in the day when
I was doing my sports talk radio show, and everybody
kind of turned their backs on you. But tell me
just kind of take for this audience, tell them what
was going on with you in the summer of twenty
twenty and what happened to you. I'm just going to
(02:58):
give you the floor.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
On May thirty first of twenty twenty, I was sitting
in my living room watching TV and I got a
phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings,
Doug Christy, who is my co host on my radio show,
and he said, Napes, did you see the Marcus Cousin's tweet?
I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter
(03:21):
of fact, I'm muted him. And he said you should
check it out. So I did, and it was at
Grant ne Peer's show. What do you think of BLM
and I said something like, hey, I haven't heard from
you in years. I thought you forgot about me. And
I responded with six words all lives matter, every single
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one in capital letters with three exclamation points. Well, all
of a sudden, I'm getting a lot of calls and messages.
Oh wow, I can't believe you said that. That was
Sunday night, at about six o'clock Tuesday afternoon. By two,
I had been fired by a radio station that I
(04:03):
was at for twenty six years, same time slot for
twenty six years, highly rated show, and then I resigned
as the thirty two year TV voice of the Sacramento
Kings on that same day. That was five years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
This is I mean, I think it's important to remind
people of what was going on. So I want to
follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an
NBA player tweeting to you about black lives matter. All
lives matter, every single one, and you lost your radio job,
sports talk radio job of twenty six years, and your
(04:42):
thirty two year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was gone
as well. Okay, that is I mean, it is really
very staggering. What was the response, both publicly and privately
to all of that happening to you in the early
summer of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Probably people were outraged. They were blown away. I had
some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach
out to me talking about how they couldn't believe it,
and then they were telling me that geez, they're going
to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't
or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing
(05:23):
is every single one of them said, I would love
to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They
were too afraid. That was what it was like. People
were too afraid to speak out and come to my
defense publicly. I had a lot of support, but unfortunately
this was one week after the murder of George Floyd.
You know what's crazy about this Clay leading up to
(05:45):
that May thirty first, May twenty fifth was when George
Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of
positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that
was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back
and look at those tweets. It was like, oh, wait
a minute, we have to fire Grant Napier. We have
(06:05):
to show black lives matter, don't come after us. Oh no,
we fired a guy that set all lives matter. They panicked.
I mean, think about that. Clay a thirty two year career,
a twenty six year career. I didn't have one thing
in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonnaville International.
And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to
Bonneville International right now, if you google Bonnaville International leadership
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and you look at their leadership, every single person is
either a white male or a white female. No people
of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's an
absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the
sacrificial lamb to tell black lives matter, Hey, don't come
after us. We just fired a guy that set all
lives matter. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I remember covering it, and I believe we had you
on and we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous.
There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why
what lessons sitting here five years later, do you think
the country needs to take and to learn? What would
you hope By the way, before we get into the lessons,
(07:07):
let's go to the reason. I was very excited to
see this. You now are coming back on the air.
Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has,
so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You
are going to be back on the air after five
years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened
over the last couple of months. If you had ask
me a year ago if I thought I'd be back
on Sacramento Radio, I would have said, no way. I've
been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast in
October of twenty twenties, just a couple of months after
I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first
guest of my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a
(07:47):
problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty
Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on Spudweb,
Reggie Theas, I had the former head coach Keith Smart on.
I mean, I didn't go on and on and on.
They didn't have any problem with it. It is just
a joke. But I am going back September second. I'm
starting on Fox Sports Radio, Sacramento. I'm very excited about it.
(08:08):
But you asked me a question about you know, what
have I learned in the last five years? You know
Zoobie music? Yea, yeah, well over a million followers on
social media. And I wrote this down a couple of
years ago because I thought he he deals in common sense.
He's like you, you know, you guys deal in common sense.
He wrote, Black lives matter because all lives matter. White
(08:30):
lives matter because all lives matter. All lives couldn't matter
if black or white lives didn't matter or any others.
Stop being dumb and dividing over basic stuff we already
agree on. Here's what I've learned over the last five years.
I've been blessed to travel. I've been to Europe, I
frequently go to Thailand, and I talked to a lot
of people from a lot of different cultures, different backgrounds,
(08:53):
different countries. We're the only people, I think, on the
planet that are even debating this and talking about this.
This is a topic anywhere else in the world. I
don't understand why here we are in twenty twenty five
and there are people even on my social media over
the last twenty four hours, you know, talking about, well, gee,
didn't he learn you can't say all lives matter. I
(09:14):
know those are very much in the minority. Those were
only a few people. But the point is there are
still some people in this country that think that all
lives matter is a racist comment. I don't get that
all lives matter every single one doesn't have any great
area to me. All lives matter, every single one, I
would think is pretty self explanatory. But I think Zoobie
summarized it perfectly. So what have I learned in the
(09:37):
last five years. I've learned that it's really only an
issue in America with the woke culture, and if you're
not politically correct, you're going to get attacked. I mean,
it's a joke. It's an absolute joke what I've gone through.
I've got great support. I don't have any problem putting
my head on the pillow at night. I'm grateful for
this opportunity to get back to Sacramento Radio. But again,
(10:00):
I don't know what the big deal is. And you know,
it's such a shame that in America, and I don't
want to go off on a tangent here, but everything's
about black and white. Why does it have to be
like that? Again, When I travel around the world and
talk to people from different cultures, it's not like that.
There in Thailand, which I love and it's a great country.
They don't care what your ethnicity is, your religion, your
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sexual orientation. They're just good people. They're happy people, they work.
They don't even talk about this stuff. But in America,
it's like a daily conversation. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think that's an important conversation. And I want to
go back to the difference between public and private commentary.
What I try to do for better or worse, and
I screw up all the time on the show. I
can barely pronounce half the words that I try to
say on a day to day basis, especially as anybody
long term listening would recognize. Try to have fun with it.
But what I try to do is there's very little
(10:53):
difference between what I would say publicly and what I
would say privately. And I think that's why people have
never really enable Grant to come after me, because that's
what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying I'm perfect,
but I'm just saying there is no gap. If I
go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which I'm going
to do with my kids, and you see me there,
what I would say to you in person is the
(11:14):
same thing that I would say on the radio. Now,
maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event, you know,
things like that. I have FCC restrictions here, So you know,
with that limited difference for you, what I found during
the BLM era, during COVID, during the summer of twenty twenty,
all of that, so many people said to me privately,
(11:34):
I agree one hundred percent with everything you're saying, but
I'm afraid to say it publicly. And that's how the
world becomes. What happened to you is people know it's wrong,
but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine
you saw better than most that dichotomy between what people
would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Totally, you're one hundred percent correct. And here's another aspect
of what I went through five years ago. So I
was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down
in thirty six hours in the early two thousands. I
started a foundation and Sacramento called the Future Foundation. I
had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is
we took underprivileged, at need students from high schools in
the Sacramento area. All Right, they had to fit a
(12:18):
certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean
it was incredible my foundation that I raised the money for.
We put one hundred and four students into college and
through college, most of whom were minorities. Okay, nobody spent
five minutes and said, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait
a minute, look at what this guy's done for the community.
(12:40):
Look what he's done for the black community. I think
we had thirty eight students of color that I put
through college. It's like that didn't matter. It was just
a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me.
And I agree with you about the private public thing.
I think things are different now, and I think people
are much more open about coming out and feeling confident
(13:02):
about speaking your opinion and what they believe in. But
in twenty twenty, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay.
I mean people that listen if you were white I'm
just you know this. If you were a white person
in the media, okay, you had to be walking on
eggshells to go out and say anything even remostly negative
about Black Lives matter. I mean, you would have been canceled.
(13:25):
I was canceled, right, I was canceled five years ago.
I was part of the cancel culture and everyone knows it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I think so. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Look, Grant, congratulations on your new radio show in Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Again.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I know a lot of people out there listening to
us right now in Sacramento know you well, and I
am glad that you are finally getting back to doing
what you do well. But I do think it's a
lesson of how the world lost its mind in sports
and otherwise, culture, politics, everywhere else. I appreciate you making
the time for us, and congrats on the new show.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy,
I have no regrets. I'm all good, and I can't
wait for this next chapter. And I greatly respect you,
love your work and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. A lot
of reaction. Weighing into Grant Napier's story there, I think
a lot of people can see in him a story
that was completely wrong, and I think it's emblematic of
us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five
years ago. That he is coming back on the air,
(14:34):
and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a
big theory for you on culture that I'm going to
hit you with at the top of the bottom of
this next hour. But in the meantime, I never would
have expected to get a call like this, but lou
and Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist and he
wants to talk about tall mountains. Lou, what you got, hey.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Clay appreciate it. Yeah, I am a geologist, and I
wanted to let Colorado God know that during the Paleozoic era,
the Rocky Mountains are about twelve thousand feet, but in
the Paleozoic era, the Smoking Mountains were as high as
the Alps, which are over twenty thousand feet, which basically
dwarf his Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Just so he'll know, oh wow, this is mountain trash talk.
So the Smoking Mountains would have been what twenty thousand
some odds. So they're just older and they've been like
worn down. Is that what's happened?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Precisely, they were over twenty thousand feet. They were high
as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies
have a ways to go, but I think they're pretty
much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that.
I mean, if you can hang out another four hundred
million years, we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But anyway, thank you for the call, Lou That is
a shot. Thank you for the call that is shots
fired back at Colorado. Oh yeah, your mountains are fine now,
but only because the smoking Mountains were so much more
spectacular other than yours that they have endured for so
long that they have lost fourteen thousand square feet or
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height elevation. It's like the tallest man in the world,
except now he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado. Frankly,
maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk.
You are listening to the best of Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton. Now, I want to have a big conversation
about this because I do think that much of the
(16:27):
ills that have been created in this country are slowly
being eradicated, and I think a lot of it is
directly connected to social media. And I've been thinking a
lot about this because culture and I understand by the way,
in the third hour, we're going to talk about Hollywood
movie some and I understand. Let me give you a
couple of updates, because everything is basically a court decision
(16:51):
that happens every single day. Have you noticed that almost
every bit of opposition for Trump is now court related,
So it feels like every day we have a different
Department of Justice update, we have a different Circuit Court update,
district court update. I never would have believed when I
went to law school twenty some odd years ago that
(17:12):
I would end up doing what I do today and
that so much of everything would boil down to what
judges are saying on a day to day basis. But
I do want to mention this because it is a
significant court ruling and its in favor of Trump, as
most of these rulings frankly have been. And so let
(17:34):
me give this to you straight. This happened in the
last hour and a half or so. I mentioned already
that Pam Bondi has authorized special prosecutor Ed Martin to
look into Senator Adam Schiff of California and Letitia James
relating to mortgage fraud. This is I'm reading directly from
Bill Malujin at Fox News. A federal appeals court has
(17:56):
reversed federal Judge James Boseberg's rule of probable cause to
hold the Trump administration in contempt of court over the
deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to l Salvador via the
Alien Enemies Act. Legal win for Trump administration, and that
is very detailed packed with legalies there. But basically what
(18:19):
it means is the president can put illegal immigrants on airplanes,
especially if they have violent records, and send them out
of the country. And individual judges don't have the power
to decide, hey, turn that plane around. You don't have
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executive authority to do that. So this is the DC circuit.
This was one judge Boseberg, who is basically decided that
he is the Trump opposition, the chief of the Trump
opposition in judicial robes sitting not the full DCA circuit,
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but a three judge panel has overturned that decision two
to one. So from here and again, I never would
have believe that this is what I would go to
law school and end up doing, because I didn't think
really that the courts would essentially become our news stories
on a day to day basis. From here, there is
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either a full appeal to the entire DC Circuit, all
of them. There are a bunch of judges there, or
this would then go on to the Supreme Court if
it were in some way appealed, and we would find
out whether or not it is able to that that
ruling is able to stand. I'm here to tell you
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it is not an individual federal district court judge, as
we told you when this happened, does not have the
power to say to the President of the United States,
turn that plane around and bring it back to the country.
That is the fact that he attempted to do. It
is crazy. It is not dissimilar to what happened in
(20:05):
the Ninth Circuit when you had I believe it was
Judge Bryer, a federal district court judge there try to
say Trump didn't have the ability to call in the
Guard to help with all of the protests that were
going on against Ice. If the president can't call in
state and National Guard and if he doesn't have the
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power when he sees issues arising to put them down,
then there is no supremacy clause. And we told you
this at the time. Individual state governors cannot overrule the
president of the United States when it comes to issues
relating to the National Guard or to the State Guard.
So anyway, all of that has continued to be a battle.
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Trump is in the right. All of the resistance two
point zero is not coming, by and large from the
Democrat Party. It's not coming from organized mass protests. There's
been virtually none. Is not the energy this term to
be doing that, even with likely money being spent by
Trump's adversaries. So it's basically federal district court judges who
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have decided, we don't like some of the decisions that
Trump is making and we are going to oppose them.
So that happened today Boseburg in DC being shot down
by the three judge panel that considered the ruling that
he attempted to put in place that would have limited
President Trump's power. Okay, now you just heard from Grant Napier,
(21:36):
who was fired. He said he spent thirty two years
as the voice of the Sacramento Kings twenty six years
doing sports, and he lost his job for tweeting all
lives Matter, every single one. Five years later, credit to
Fox Sports Radio Sacramento, he is being given back his
(21:59):
ability to talk about sports on the radio. But I
don't know if there is a better story out there
than Grant Napiers to illustrate just how crazy the country
went and how crazy sports went. I did a story,
and I was one of the few people who would
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actually speak out in favor of Grant, because Bucket likes
to joke about this sometimes. But when you attack me,
I double or triple or quadruple down. I don't tiptoe up.
I don't step back and say, hey, I'm sorry, I
was wrong here. I knew in real time, as most
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people did. Firing somebody for tweeting all lives matter, every
single one is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and it
is not racist, and it is not worthy of someone
losing their job, a job that they had done well
for thirty two years and twenty six years. Most people
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knew that most people were cowards, and this is how
Buck and I met because Buck was similar in that
he didn't back down surrounding COVID. He didn't back down
surrounding BLM, and neither did I, and what has often
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disappointed me. And I'm glad that we're in the payback
stage where so many people who made so many awful
decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm
still very troubled that all of that happened, because what
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it told me about human nature is cowardice is far
more common than bravery. And what it told me was
a lot of people will shut their mouths if they
think anything negative might happen to them, even if they
know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in
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those days, would regularly come on my show and I
would call out rich people because I got so angry.
I understand. I don't think it's fair. I don't think
it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach. But
I understood in twenty twenty, if you had a job,
(24:33):
you were trying to get your kid into college, you
had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I
can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a
lot of those people were afraid to speak out because
they had no power. And that's why really starting about
(24:56):
twenty twenty, when I would see people out in public,
and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck
in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, what people would come
up and say to me was you say what I
wish I could say?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And as a guy who did sports, I never had
heard that before because it's sports, right, like, who cares?
I love it. But if I say that your team's
gonna win the super Bowl or lose the Super Bowl,
or win the National Championship or not win the National
Championship or bad that was.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
A bad call.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I love it, but it's the toy chest of life.
Unless you're on the team, own the team, or are
in some way directly compensated by the team, whoever wins
a championship doesn't probably change your life that much. But
in twenty twenty during COVID, during BLM, when they tried
(25:56):
to put President Trump in prison for the rest of
his life life, that stuff really does matter. And so
I understood if you were out there and you were struggling,
and you just wanted to pay your mortgage, and you
just wanted to get your kids into school, and you
would get on social media and you would think, man,
I really want to say something. I bet a lot
of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot
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of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram or maybe
even an email that you were thinking about sending inside
of your company, and then you hit delete because you said,
I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary
job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion,
(26:38):
is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary.
So I understood why those people, why many of y'all
out there, I have been in this world before. I
understood why a lot of people hit delete. The people
that I still have a lot of contempt for are
(26:58):
the people who were fil rich, said they agreed with
everything that I said, and then never spoke out. Because
I gotta be honest with y'all. If you have fu money,
if you have money where you're never gonna have to
worry about paying a mortgage, you got a second home,
(27:19):
you got a third home, you got fancy cars, you
got kids that you can stroke a check for to
go to any college in the country. Your cowardice made
me sick, and I saw it everywhere. People who run companies,
(27:39):
people who never had to worry about anything, financially for
the rest of their life. They turned tail. They to
me were the biggest cowards because they were the kind
of people who said fire fire, Grant Napier for saying
all lives matter, every single one. And frankly, I'm never
(28:03):
going to forgive those people because a lot of them
now they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay we get a
tax cut. Boy, I'm glad Trump won. Where were you
when it mattered? I think about this all the time.
(28:23):
Where were you when there were consequences, when there were
cost when somebody might not set you on whatever flipping
charity board you're on. Where were you? You were a
yellow bellied coward. You let situations like Grant Napier happen everywhere,
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and you didn't do a damn thing. So money is
only useful in the context of what it allows you
to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do.
There's a great line. This is why when everybody drafts
new quarterbacks, what they care about so much is how
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much do you love what you do? Because as soon
as you get that fifty million dollar check, there's pretty
girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations. If
you don't love what you're doing, money will make you
more of what you already are. If you are a
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die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding, and
I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company, you
sign a fifty million dollar deal, you do the same
thing you were doing before you got the money. But
if you're the kind of person who looks around worries
all the time about what people are gonna say about you,
(29:51):
you become even more of a coward the more money
you get. And there are so many of those people
out there, and I think about them. The Grant Napier
story is a good one. Most of us are never
going to have billions of dollars. We're not going to
own radio stations, we're not going to own companies that
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when they come to you with an employee sending a tweet,
it's your decision what to do. But a lot of
people had that. And now that Trump's in office, there
waving the pom poms and they're running around and they're cheering.
I don't care who wants to celebrate after a victory.
(30:34):
I want to know who's going to be there when
you get your ass kicked because that's character, that's courage
and Grant Napier story. Oh, there's an awful lot of
people who will send you a text or make a
phone call and say, boy, I feel really bad for you. Yeah,
that'll be you know, would be great. As if you
would say that public, well I can't do that, Well,
(30:57):
they might be mad at me. Then so many people
who knew better, and so many people who had the
resources to have nobody ever actually be able to do
anything to them. They were nowhere to be found when
it mattered most. And now guess what, you look up
and some of those people are some of the biggest
(31:19):
cheerleaders because Trump's back in office. Now, just remember it,
and remember how quickly those front runners will fade as
soon as somebody else is in power and as soon
as somebody else makes them a little bit uncomfortable and
requires any element of courage to speak out against what
(31:40):
they believe is wrong.
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Speaker 5 (31:46):
More marital experience here. I was not really aware of this,
and now I'm such a young man in the marriage
game when yeah, I'm a newbie into all this. Your
wife can look at you and be a little unhappy,
quite unhappy, quite sternly, and you can ask her, hey, honey,
what's going on. She said nothing, I'm fine, and you
(32:06):
say are you sure. She goes, I'm fine, and then
you know she's not fine, and then you say okay,
and then you try to like escape the situation, and
right before you leave the room, she goes, you know
what you did in my dream last night. Now the
answer to that is, of course no, but play I
did grow that you could be in trouble as husband
(32:27):
for whatever the wife has had a dream about.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
All right, So here's the flip side. Can you imagine
holding her accountable in any way or being angry for
her based on something that she did in your dream.
Has this happened at any point in your relationship that
you can remember so far?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
No?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
So do you think it's only I don't know because
I'm with no. But my understanding is these are the
rules of marriage. Like, wife is allowed to be annoyed
over morning coffee for at least a little bit if
you were naughty in the dream that she had, even
if she knows it was a dream. These are the rules.
I don't make the rules.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, No, I get it. I'm just trying to think
why would women be able to get mad at their husbands?
But I'm just asking because I can't recall ever being
angry at my wife over something that she did in
my dream?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Right, has Laura ever been mad at you for what
you did in her dream?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's a great question. We've been married for almost twenty
one years. I'm sure I've given her ample reasons to
be mad at me for many reasons, both awake and dreaming,
over those twenty one years. But I can't remember. But
it feels like probably yes is the answer. But it
is an interesting question because my point is if you
had been angry at her, I don't think it would
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be accepted. No, of course not.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I'm a dude. We can't do that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, why is it acceptable the opposite direction? I think
it's an interesting question. I'm going to go downstairs and
ask you. Men and women are different, buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I do know
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