September 5, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and provocative discussion centered on vaccine mandates, public health policy, and the growing skepticism surrounding medical institutions. The hour features an in-depth interview with Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo, who outlines Florida’s bold move to eliminate vaccine mandates for schoolchildren. Dr. Ladapo emphasizes the importance of informed consent and parental choice, arguing that coercion in medical decisions is unethical and counterproductive.
The hosts explore the broader implications of vaccine policy, especially in the wake of COVID-19. Clay and Buck reflect on how public trust in health authorities has eroded due to inconsistent messaging and politicized science. They highlight the dangers of over-medicalization, particularly in pediatric care, and question why children today receive significantly more vaccines than previous generations. The conversation touches on the risks and benefits of individual vaccines, with Dr. Ladapo advocating for case-by-case evaluation rather than blanket mandates.
A major theme of the hour is the rise in autism diagnoses and childhood allergies, prompting Clay to ask whether the medical community is doing enough to investigate environmental and pharmaceutical causes. This leads to breaking news from the Wall Street Journal: RFK Jr. is set to release a report linking autism to Tylenol use during pregnancy and folate deficiencies. The hosts discuss the potential impact of this report and the growing movement of parents demanding transparency and accountability in pediatric healthcare.
The hour also revisits the controversial role of Rachel Levine, Assistant Secretary for Health, and critiques the politicization of gender-affirming care. Clay and Buck argue that the push for early medical transition in children is based on ideological pressure rather than sound science, calling it a “barbaric” trend that ignores long-term mental health outcomes.
Listeners are encouraged to engage via talkback messages, and the hosts share personal anecdotes about parenting, vaccine decisions, and the challenges of navigating modern healthcare. The segment closes with a forward-looking discussion on how artificial intelligence could revolutionize medical research, allowing individuals to analyze massive datasets and make more personalized health decisions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number two Friday edition Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we are rolling through the Friday edition of
the program. Courage you to go hit the talkback. It's
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you are a part of the program. And we get
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fabulous talkbacks, and we got the team constantly going through
those and popping them in front of us. So just
get the iHeart app and you can go to the
corner you can make an easy talkback for the program.
A lot of different stories that are out there. I
mentioned that we're going to talk with the Surgeon General
of the State of Florida, doctor Latipo, about the decision
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he made on the vaccine requirements that are going to
exist in Florida, and a lot of discussion coming out
of RFK Junior's testimony yesterday, and I thought that jd.
Vance actually did a really good job of contextual I
what is and is not considered science, And I wanted
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to play this. This is a flashback to November of
twenty twenty four. This is an Assistant HHS Secretary Rachel Levine.
What was this guy's name, the admiral? What was his
real name before changing himself to Rachel. Don't you expect
me to.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Dead name on this program, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I am leading you over the middle to dead name.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I don't know. I actually can't remember otherwise, but I
felt like that was a good plan be there, right, like, yeah, let.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Me look up. I actually want to make sure that
we know what Levine's real name is, Admiral Levine. I'm
typing it in right now, in real time, and you
even look it up, Rachel Levine. It doesn't even I mean,
this is just how crazy it is when you type
this in that they won't even tell you what his
original name was. He was married, he had two kids,
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and then decided, oh wait a minute, I'm a chick
and just started walking around in a women's navy uniform
and everybody's just supposed to accept that that's real. And
here he is saying, hey, Richard, Richard Levine, Dick Levine. Ironically, enough,
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there you go. This is a suicide prevention care. This
is just so nasty that they did this, and this
is why I think it's important to continue to reemphasize it.
They prayed on the love of so many parents out there,
and they said, if your kid, they would say this
all the time, do you want a dead daughter or
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a live son or vice versa. They made you believe
that you were going to cause your kids suicide. If
you didn't give them puberty blockers, if you didn't give
them the ability to chop off their genitals, you were
going to kill them. This is what they were saying
as recently as November of twenty twenty four. When they say, oh,
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RFK Junior, he's anti science, remember what they were saying.
This was someone they put in power cut thirteen.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What would you say to folks who think that they're
being reasonable by saying, why can't children just wait till
they're eighteen? The adolescence is hard, and puberty is hard.
What if you're going through the wrong puberty. What if
you inside feel that you are female, but now you're
going through a male puberty. The argument is, well, they're
too young to know. I want to make it clear
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that for pre pubertal children there are no medical procedures done.
The extendardive care allows them to explore that with therapy.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Gender firm and Care is medical care. Gender firm and
care is mental health care. Gender firm and care is
literally suicide prevention care.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this
is crazy and.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Also ignores the very clear data which shows that mental
health outcomes for people who go through transition processes when
they look at them over a longer horizon are incredibly negative.
And it also doesn't address why do they call it
gender affirming care? How is it therapy? If the assumption
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when you go and walk through the doors is oh,
you're having these questions? Do they ever say, Clay, you
think in these gender affirming sessions? You know, maybe you're
just going through some stuff and you're gonna wake up
in a few months and realize you're actually a dude
and things happen to people and it's okay, and you're
going to get back on track.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, it's how do we get you to change your name,
grow your hair, and tell everybody you're.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
A chick as fast as possible. That's what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Does anyone doubt that for one second? By the way,
this is one of the unfortunate side effects. I know
we have some conservative psychiatrists who listened to the show
because they always writ in when I say this psychiatry
is by far the most left wing medical specialization in
this country. By far, psychiatry and the District of Columbia
have pretty much the same poly and political affiliation.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, and to your point, that's actually a lie that
he was telling too, because we know that there were
thousands of kids that were actually having top surgery bottom
surgery when they were miners. And this is why I
think in the years ahead you're going to see so
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many plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a
little bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless
of whether their boys or girls. It is a really
challenging time for almost all kids. I mean, your body
changes in real time. And there's an ad out I
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give credit to Jennifer say in her xxx Y company,
which is just basically saying, hey, men and women are different.
I was watching an ad that she had that she
posted which is saying, hey, here's a shout out to
all the tomboys. How many of you out there that
are listening to us right now? When you were eleven, twelve,
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thirteen years old, girls thought, oh I want to run
around with the boys. Oh I'm I'm just a boy.
I just like hanging out with the boys more than
I do the girls. And then Huberty hits and maybe
you're a little bit uncomfortable with the idea of how
much your body's changing compared to the boys that you
may have been running around with before. And then you
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go to a doctor and he says, well, what's really
going on is not you're just a little bit uncomfortable
because transitions to adolescents are challenging for kids everywhere. It's
that you are really a boy, and we need to
affirm the fact that you are a boy. And we're
going to pump you full of all sorts of hormones
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to try to keep your natural body from turning you
into a growing young woman, and instead we're gonna stilt
your development. I mean, this is can I just also
bear it is barbaric that this was allowed to occur. Yes,
And there are a lot of people who have have
done very bad things here in the name of health, healthcare, science,
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civil rights even I mean, they've really made this a
cause on the left and they have gotten many people
involved in it. Here's a part of the problem, Clay yesterday,
I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which
is at the center of this whole thing. You have
to lie about this stuff. You have to lie. You
have to you have to be who is the physicist
(07:33):
who went on Neil de Grass Neil de grass Tyson
that you have to be Niel the Grass Tyson, who's an astrophysicist,
who when asked, do men have it? Generally speaking, do
men have a advantage over women in athletic competitions?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh, I have no idea, sir, I've never even considered you.
You have to lie, so we have to go. You
have to go to Blodwell. Oh I like that as
a very You got to god, well, that's time. You
know who would give you a high five for that?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
JK.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Rowling, who should now probably come on the program sometime.
Plus you say that her books are better. You say
her books are better than C. S. Lewis, So like
you're really you're really buttering up rallying from afar. Okay,
But Clay, the other part of this is, and this
is also goes to the lie, but it goes to
the science, which is that you cannot become a woman.
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I imagine if it were possible to do this, it
would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own right.
If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly
transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman,
there would still be this whole cut like should you
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do that? What are the risks of doing that? But
that's not even what we're talking about. These people who
are given the cross sex hormones and the surgeries never
actually passes women. They do not come across to the
broader society as women.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And I've had this debate of.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
People say, oh, well, you know some like some guys
on dating sites will swipe right at them. It's like, well,
because if you can use filters, and you can you
can cheat in a photo in person, you always know
they never come across as women. So there's a lie
that's at the heart of all this. The whole notion
of gender affirmation skips the fact that the transition never works.
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And if and if it's not about the physical transition,
why go through the process in the first place. If
it's an emotional state that must be respected, why do this?
You know, the snip and the change and the and
the tuck and all these things that go on. If
it's not about the physical change. Well, the physical change
is always insufficient, and that's part of this that never
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gets discussed. You cannot actually transition, it does not exist.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So that is a lie. Also a lie basically everything
they told us during COVID. So then how do you
expect And this is the big question that I asked,
I think doctor Sapphire. The challenge that I think we
face now is when you have been lied to to
such an extent by public health experts. When they told
(10:11):
you take your mask off when you sit down in
a restaurant you can eat, but you have to leave
your mask on when you walk in and check in
at the counter, and then magically you sit down and
it's fine. When they told you that you could not
go outside at all, and then George Floyd happens, and
they suddenly say, actually, it's imperative that you go out
(10:34):
and join hundreds of thousands of people in march in
close unison in the streets to protest against systemic racism.
How in the world can you trust anything that public
health authorities are saying now? And I think that is
we'll ask doctor a Latipo about this in a moment.
But That's why I've got RFK Junior's back. I don't
presume that he's right on everything. I don't presume that
(10:57):
anybody's right on everything, but I'm willing to listen to
him because he correctly diagnosed much of the wrong decisions
that were being made in COVID, and so I find
it somewhat We were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
Why do kids today get twice as many vaccinations as
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you and I got when we were babies, Buck, That
seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask. And
by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We should
stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right, we
should stop We should stop things that can kill baby.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Vaccines are and I'm excited for all the emails on this.
I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a
general medical breakthrough have probably, and I'm taking this back
now two hundred years, have probably saved more human lives
than any other medical advance in history. Just now, that
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doesn't mean that that you need seventy vaccines for your
kid today, but it just we got to keep it
in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines. We
want to keep everybody from getting We are decidedly anti
smallpox on them, like anti murder at polio.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Uh, there are a lot of things that it's very
good that do not exist. But I do think it's
fair to say, is it appropriate to give every kid
twice as many vaccinine vaccine doses today as their average
kid got into any when I was a baby. We'll
talk to doctor Latipo about this, but I just think,
for example, antibiotics, antibiotics as a general class of medication
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are incredible and and if you have certain infections, the
fact that antibiotics exist are like a miracle. Now does
that mean that every time you have a cold and
I've you know, you should be taking like a Z packet?
Is there overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant
bacteria with ato?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
There are pro But that's a different thing than just
saying I'm opposed to antibiotics right, or that I think
antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical tool kit.
So I just we got to keep it in perspective.
You're there are there are some good vaccines and there
are some worthless and bad vaccines. And there are some
vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth.
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And all this stuff is true, but it's not a
I'm a I'm a little I'm a little surprised sometimes
at some of the emails that I get on this
on this subject matter, and and then some of the
reading material that I have sent. I'm like, I'm I'm
not I'm not seeing this one. I got to tell you,
not seeing it this way. And I'm somebody who, like
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I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for speed based
upon efficacy, based on what we think is and I
live in Florida. You know what we think is a
necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm not just
getting him everything. We're spacing things out.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But you know, the the I.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Think the best way here is the reasoned middle ground
on some of these things.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
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Speaker 2 (16:35):
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck,
and we're gonna be joined by doctor Joseph Ladipol here,
so we'll hear from somebody better position than anyone else,
really to discuss what's going on with Florida, the change
in the vaccine mandates for schools.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Here that are underway.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I live in Florida, many of you know, a lot
of listeners on WIOD and WJNO and WFLA and a
lot of great stations all across this wonderful state, and
I want to hear what the good doctor has to say, Clay,
so we'll get the specifics on it and what it's doing,
and perhaps this will lead to similar actions in other
(17:11):
states with sane red governance. I'm hoping, no doubt, and
the impact that it is going to create going forward.
I'm actually curious for doctor Aladipo. I mean, he's got
young kids.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I would bet, although maybe I'm wrong, I would bet
that he's getting some vaccines for his young kids. How
do you balance that? Where would you go? What would
he suggest that you read? I'm actually curious. I've been
through this already you're going through We talked about it
earlier this week, because your son is of the age
where you start to get some of those shots. I
obviously have been through it a long time ago. I
(17:48):
candidly just didn't spend much time thinking about it. I
did it in the wake of COVID. My kids haven't
gotten the COVID shot, but I think there's a lot
of parents questioning a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When I was in the CIA and the places they
sent me to, including sub Saharan Africa, I got they
jacked me full of all kinds of that. I mean,
I got every I got vaccines for diseases that I'd
never even heard of before.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Friday edition of the program. We are joined now by
Florida Surgeon General doctor Joseph Ladipo. He has created a
bit of a stir in the universe out there with
his decisions on what Florida parents can and cannot do
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when it comes to vaccines for their kids. So let
me start with this question for you, doctor Aladipope. Buck
has got a young kid. I've got three kids. I
think in the wake of the COVID shot, which it's
quite clear no young healthy child ever needed a lot
in my opinion. You can tell me if you disagree
with that. But a lot of parents out there now
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are questioning much of what they were told by public
health experts. Overall. You're a parent as well. What do
you think parents should do when it comes to researching
medical treatments for their kids? What would you direct them
to do? What kind of research would you want them
to cons it or as they make health choices for
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their kids.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, that's a great question. And congratulations. I guess all
three of us are dads now, and you know this
is this is something obviously for all of them. I'm
sure our parents, our our children are the most important
people in our lives. Obviously we love our partners too,
but you know, all of us would do anything that
we could for our kids.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And the answer to your questions, I think people need
to do their research and they just they need they
need to their parents who are.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Not doctor Latipoe. Can we have you call back in
We need a better connection. I can't if I can't
understand you, then the audience definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So could you.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Uh see, let's get him back on here in a second.
I'll just tell you what he did say. He said
you need to do your research. And then we got
a little bit garbled there, Clay, but we'll get into
the specifics. I want to ask him obviously about what's
changed in Florida policy, because Speed's got a little time
before uh he has to get ready for school. He
doesn't walk yet, So we got we got a little
ways to go there. But I am curious to see
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what they're doing here in the States. So team, let
us know when we get doctor Latipo back in the
mix here, hopefully with a clearer connection. One of the
joys of live radio is we have to rely on
telecom and it's raining very heavily down here, Clay, in
South Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So I would also just point out overall, cell phone
networks don't seem to have improved much in the last
twenty years. I think when all of us initially got
cell phones, we thought, hey, they'll be flawless by the
time we get into the twenty twenties. By the time
we get into the twenty thirties, I just think we're
always going to have issues when it comes to actually
(21:41):
communicating on cell phones. I mean, it's kind of crazy
to me. I guess maybe one thing is the phones
do so much more than actually lead to conversation that
maybe that's not a focus for a lot of different
companies out there, but my goodness, pure talk does, by
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cell phone See doctor Aladipo back with us. Okay, I
(22:02):
was asking you were answering the question doctor about research,
What would you encourage people to do? And let me
just ask a secondary question. I imagine you have gotten
and will get your kids some of the vaccination recommendations.
How would you analyze this? What would you tell parents
they should do? What would you suggest?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, so you really we need to I think that
as a parent, I mean, we all want to do
what's best for our children. And one of the ways
you do that is is through that common idea, that
fundamental idea of informed consent. And it's just you can't
be an honest person and have lived over the last
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few years and not appreciate that there's some gaps in
informed consent. And you know, it's always a challenge, but
it's particularly a challenge with vaccines. I mean, that's the
you know, I don't feel any way about them. For against,
I don't feel any way about them I do feel
very strongly about informed consent. And you cannot have informed
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consent when you have mandates, you know when they're negative
repercussions for not complying. And you can't have informed consent
when doctors are or or some parties want to want
you to do something so badly that the research isn't announced.
You know, the questions about what's best for your kid
is than enough aren't really fulfilled. So folks need to parents,
(23:31):
I think need to be talking to other parents because
a lot of parents are now looking into this and
I myself have learned so much and here I am.
You know, I went to medical school. I have a
PhD from Harvard. You know, I spent years taking care
of patients, and there was so much I didn't know
about vaccine a research.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Can you tell us doctor a lotipo just specifically, And
this is interesting, I think to everybody, but for any
of our Florida listeners, there's a change in vaccine mandate
policy now in the state of Lord. But can you
give us some of the specifics what doesn't mean, what
doesn't it mean, and what is trying to be achieved here?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Sure the overall goal is is really to end those
those vaccine mandates because they're so.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Would just to just to be clear, doc all, there
so no mandates of any kind to go to school
for vaccines.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Absolutely not nothing for you know, if you want to
put something in your body, or you want to put
something in your child's body, no, God bless you, but
no one should be forced to do that. I mean,
I'd say that's a fundamental, very black and white ethical issue.
In terms of shifting to the specifics in the Department
of Health, there are a handful of vaccines that we
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uh that we mandate. Obviously I didn't do that. That
was a predecessor that did that, and we're going to
peel those backs. So those are going to be gone.
Those mandates are going to be gone, and we will,
you know, we'll work with the lawmakers to explore a
more ethical position. And I mean it's very simple. You know,
if the people who are really worried about this, no
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one's taking away anyone vaccine. No one's preventing anyone from
pursuing or taking a vaccine if they want. What we
do want to prevent is coercion. And that is the
current position that is that is inherent to mandates and
it's unethical. And I know it's a shock for many
people that's been obviously with the feedback we received, but
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it truly is an unethical position.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
If you were my kids are all old enough, seventeen, fourteen,
and ten. They're doing well knock on wood health wise.
But if I were coming to you personally and I said,
would you recommend vaccines like for instance, polio, for instance,
for smallpox, I don't even know the full list of vaccines.
(25:50):
Would you recommend some vaccines? Would you recommend some not
in your standard as you if you were an individual's
doctor at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah, sure, it's a great question. So I will tell you,
like as I said, this is this is a new
area for me. I mean, it was really COVID that
opened up my eyes to many things in the healthcare
area that were happening and I wasn't aware of that
were very important. So I myself am still on the journey,
if you will, in terms of my learning. So some
(26:21):
of the vaccines I'm more knowledgeable about in terms of
the you know, the evidence informing that inform their their
benefits and risk. And I think it's important guys to
remember that each one it's just like a drug, right,
So you don't like, we wouldn't say, oh, would you
recommend you know, not not drugs as and illicit drugs,
but medications. We wouldn't have a conversation about, oh, do
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you take medications. No, we wouldn't have a conversation like that.
We'd have a conversation about, well, what do you think
about this medication and what do you think about that medication?
And that's the same thing with vaccines. So for the
ones that I feel more knowledgeable about, there's some that
I'm more comfortable with in terms of the you know,
in terms of how well they've been studied, in terms
of the benefit risk profile. For example, you know, right now,
(27:05):
that's how I feel about the measles vaccine. Not everyone
feels that way, and you know, and I think that
it's fine if they don't feel that way. I think
as long as you're making informed decisions. There are other
vaccines that I have opinions about that go you know,
in one direction the other. But you know, again, it's
really in my in my opinion, it's important to evaluate
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each one individually because they're not the same. They are
not the same. The amount we know the risk the benefits,
they are not the same.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Shouldn't we be asking, and I appreciate you being on
with us, doctor Joseph Ladipoe's Surgeon General Florida, shouldn't we
be asking why autism rates have skyrocketed in this country?
Like leave aside everything else. It is a public health failure.
I would think that in this day and age, we
have massive increases in autism. Now, partly you can say, okay,
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maybe we just recognize the symptoms better. There's certainly an
argument there. But I think if you look at the
growth in autism, diagnosis and symptoms, all those things. Certainly,
if you look at the numbers on allergies, for instance,
the number of kids that are allergic to peanuts now
compared to when I was a kid, or certainly when
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people out there are far older than me were kids,
it didn't exist. Shouldn't we be asking why these things
are occurring and trying to have less of them, like
allergic reactions. When kids die from peanuts is an awful thing.
We shouldn't be having this happen. And the number of
kids being diagnosed with autism is a national emergency to me,
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shouldn't we be trying to figure out what's going on.
Isn't that the essence of science?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, we absolutely should. And you know you've named some
conditions and there are a lot of other conditions. There
are a lot of autoimmune conditions. And you know, anytime
you're tinkering is not quite the right word, but anytime
you're trying to monifor the immune system, it's not like,
you know, it's not some precision you know, some precision medicine.
(29:07):
It just targets one place. That's not the reality. The
reality is that everything in our bodies is connected. So
you change one thing here and it changes other things
in other places. I'll give you a brief example. So
there's some evidence, and it's fairly good evidence that that
aluminum which is added to some vaccines.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
May be pretty immune conditions.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Look at some of the evidence, it's pretty favorable. And
write the audience into all of the details. But that's
just an example. And that's like the one thing, right.
Our systems are infinitely complex, and it's the idea that
you know there aren't going to be potential, you know,
adverse events that you don't even painting.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It's just bullets. It's nonsense. So you should be instating.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
All right, doctor Laipo. We got a it there, and
we've also lost connection once again, but I appreciate you,
Doctor Glatiposts, Surgeon General of Florida, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, news story coming out, and this is one reason
I was just asking Wall Street Journal reporting and we'll
talk about this a little bit. Headline exclusive RFK Junior
to link autism to taie in all use in pregnancy
and foll eate deficiencies. Kennedy's autism report touted by Trump
will suggest using pain relievers during pregnancy maybe linked to
(30:30):
the development developmental disorder. And again I was just asking
that question. Autism rates have exploded. This is a story
that is just breaking right now from the Wall Street Journal.
Just got the alert popping into my phone and uh,
and we'll talk about it a little bit. But I
think it is indicative of a great deal of apprehension
(30:52):
from so many people out there in this listening audience,
but also the MAHA movement in general, which is overwhelmingly
made up of moms. There's lots of dads involved too,
but overwhelmingly made up of moms. And I think a
lot of you are asking questions that you might not
have asked if COVID had not happened and you hadn't
been told that your kids had to be injected with
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. I just
did the Clay welcome I did even realized I just did.
That's just kind of slipped in there. It's like it's
like I'm like Hey, Mom and Dad appreciate you, appreciate you.
They're like, you've been hanging out with Clay too much.
It sort of happened, you know, I got it. Yeah,
no doubt. Mike just said no doubt. And I'm like,
what is I would Clay? I got an audience has
(33:20):
to help me figure what are some buckisms other than
saying good heavens, like like misdoubtfire or something.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You know, old man?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I got old man, old man? Yeah, what are my
old men is? Because Clay's got no doubt, he's got
appreciate you. He goes, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But anyway, but doctor Latipo was really I thought interesting.
And again that news story just broke while we were
talking to you, and it's going to get a ton
of attention. And let me hit you with this headline again.
This is a Wall Street Journal exclusive. RFK Junior to
link autism to tail in all use in pregnancy and
(33:57):
fully deficiencies. And here is the opening paragraph. Health Secretary
Robert Kennedy plans to announce pregnant women's use of an
over the counter pain medication is potentially linked to autism,
and a report that will also suggest a medicine derived
from folate can be used to treat symptoms of the
(34:18):
developmental disorder in some people. People familiar with the matter
said the report is expected to come out this month
and likely to highlight low levels of folate and important
vitamin and taile and all taken during pregnancy, as well
as other potential causes of autism. People familiar with the
matter set, and I know this is something that many
(34:41):
of you out there, particularly when you are pregnant or
when you have a young child, are thinking about constantly
because the rates have skyrocketed. I'm sure buck for you guys,
because you had a young baby, and you had a pregnancy,
you went through and everything else. There's different knowledge out
there now then a decade ago when I had we
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had our youngest look and so I think that conversation
is significant.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
One of the really helpful things about artificial intelligence is
going to be that enormous data sets. We talked to
doctor McCarey about this, enormous data sets will be able
to be analyzed very rapidly. And that also it's not
just good for the people that that's their job. You
can do your own If you're talking about do your
own research, we just talked to doctor Latipo about that.
(35:27):
You can do your own version of a deep dive
into deep medical data, and it's incredible what they can pull.
I mean, you can have it read five thousand pages
of you know, controlled study trial research and come up
with what the percentages of efficacy and things like that.
That was not possible even five or ten years ago,
(35:49):
and that's now going to be ungrocked, which is my favorite.
I know people use chat GPT, I don't. I like
the GROC.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I also think what you're going to find out is
everybody's biochemistry, for lack of a better word, is different.
So what you respond to drugs, workouts, food, it's going
to be different than maybe what your spouse does or
what your kids do. Everybody's genetic profile is different, and
I think we're going to learn a lot more about this,
(36:17):
but the conversation is going to be intense, and that's
part of what we're having here
Welcome back in our number two Friday edition Clay Travis
buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with
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A lot of different stories that are out there. I
mentioned that we're going to talk with the Surgeon General
of the State of Florida, doctor Latipo, about the decision
(00:43):
he made on the vaccine requirements that are going to
exist in Florida, and a lot of discussion coming out
of RFK Junior's testimony yesterday, and I thought that jd.
Vance actually did a really good job of contextual I
what is and is not considered science, And I wanted
(01:03):
to play this. This is a flashback to November of
twenty twenty four. This is an Assistant HHS Secretary Rachel Levine.
What was this guy's name, the admiral? What was his
real name before changing himself to Rachel. Don't you expect
me to.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Dead name on this program, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I am leading you over the middle to dead name.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I don't know. I actually can't remember otherwise, but I
felt like that was a good plan be there, right, like, yeah, let.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Me look up. I actually want to make sure that
we know what Levine's real name is, Admiral Levine. I'm
typing it in right now, in real time, and you
even look it up, Rachel Levine. It doesn't even I mean,
this is just how crazy it is when you type
this in that they won't even tell you what his
original name was. He was married, he had two kids,
(01:54):
and then decided, oh wait a minute, I'm a chick
and just started walking around in a women's navy uniform
and everybody's just supposed to accept that that's real. And
here he is saying, hey, Richard, Richard Levine, Dick Levine. Ironically, enough,
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there you go. This is a suicide prevention care. This
is just so nasty that they did this, and this
is why I think it's important to continue to reemphasize it.
They prayed on the love of so many parents out there,
and they said, if your kid, they would say this
all the time, do you want a dead daughter or
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a live son or vice versa. They made you believe
that you were going to cause your kids suicide. If
you didn't give them puberty blockers, if you didn't give
them the ability to chop off their genitals, you were
going to kill them. This is what they were saying
as recently as November of twenty twenty four. When they say, oh,
(03:00):
RFK Junior, he's anti science, remember what they were saying.
This was someone they put in power cut thirteen.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What would you say to folks who think that they're
being reasonable by saying, why can't children just wait till
they're eighteen? The adolescence is hard, and puberty is hard.
What if you're going through the wrong puberty. What if
you inside feel that you are female, but now you're
going through a male puberty. The argument is, well, they're
too young to know. I want to make it clear
(03:30):
that for pre pubertal children there are no medical procedures done.
The extendardive care allows them to explore that with therapy.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Gender firm and Care is medical care. Gender firm and
care is mental health care. Gender firm and care is
literally suicide prevention care.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, literally suicide prevention care. I mean, all of this
is crazy and.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Also ignores the very clear data which shows that mental
health outcomes for people who go through transition processes when
they look at them over a longer horizon are incredibly negative.
And it also doesn't address why do they call it
gender affirming care? How is it therapy? If the assumption
(04:14):
when you go and walk through the doors is oh,
you're having these questions? Do they ever say, Clay, you
think in these gender affirming sessions? You know, maybe you're
just going through some stuff and you're gonna wake up
in a few months and realize you're actually a dude
and things happen to people and it's okay, and you're
going to get back on track.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, it's how do we get you to change your name,
grow your hair, and tell everybody you're.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
A chick as fast as possible. That's what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Does anyone doubt that for one second? By the way,
this is one of the unfortunate side effects. I know
we have some conservative psychiatrists who listened to the show
because they always writ in when I say this psychiatry
is by far the most left wing medical specialization in
this country. By far, psychiatry and the District of Columbia
have pretty much the same poly and political affiliation.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, and to your point, that's actually a lie that
he was telling too, because we know that there were
thousands of kids that were actually having top surgery bottom
surgery when they were miners. And this is why I
think in the years ahead you're going to see so
(05:23):
many plaintiff lawyers filing lawsuits because most kids are a
little bit uncomfortable as they are going through puberty, regardless
of whether their boys or girls. It is a really
challenging time for almost all kids. I mean, your body
changes in real time. And there's an ad out I
(05:45):
give credit to Jennifer say in her xxx Y company,
which is just basically saying, hey, men and women are different.
I was watching an ad that she had that she
posted which is saying, hey, here's a shout out to
all the tomboys. How many of you out there that
are listening to us right now? When you were eleven, twelve,
(06:07):
thirteen years old, girls thought, oh I want to run
around with the boys. Oh I'm I'm just a boy.
I just like hanging out with the boys more than
I do the girls. And then Huberty hits and maybe
you're a little bit uncomfortable with the idea of how
much your body's changing compared to the boys that you
may have been running around with before. And then you
(06:28):
go to a doctor and he says, well, what's really
going on is not you're just a little bit uncomfortable
because transitions to adolescents are challenging for kids everywhere. It's
that you are really a boy, and we need to
affirm the fact that you are a boy. And we're
going to pump you full of all sorts of hormones
(06:48):
to try to keep your natural body from turning you
into a growing young woman, and instead we're gonna stilt
your development. I mean, this is can I just also
bear it is barbaric that this was allowed to occur. Yes,
And there are a lot of people who have have
done very bad things here in the name of health, healthcare, science,
(07:13):
civil rights even I mean, they've really made this a
cause on the left and they have gotten many people
involved in it. Here's a part of the problem, Clay yesterday,
I think we really focused on the lying dynamic, which
is at the center of this whole thing. You have
to lie about this stuff. You have to lie. You
have to you have to be who is the physicist
(07:33):
who went on Neil de Grass Neil de grass Tyson
that you have to be Niel the Grass Tyson, who's an astrophysicist,
who when asked, do men have it? Generally speaking, do
men have a advantage over women in athletic competitions?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh, I have no idea, sir, I've never even considered you.
You have to lie, so we have to go. You
have to go to Blodwell. Oh I like that as
a very You got to god, well, that's time. You
know who would give you a high five for that?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
JK.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Rowling, who should now probably come on the program sometime.
Plus you say that her books are better. You say
her books are better than C. S. Lewis, So like
you're really you're really buttering up rallying from afar. Okay,
But Clay, the other part of this is, and this
is also goes to the lie, but it goes to
the science, which is that you cannot become a woman.
(08:20):
I imagine if it were possible to do this, it
would be an interesting ethical discussion on its own right.
If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly
transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman,
there would still be this whole cut like should you
(08:40):
do that? What are the risks of doing that? But
that's not even what we're talking about. These people who
are given the cross sex hormones and the surgeries never
actually passes women. They do not come across to the
broader society as women.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And I've had this debate of.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
People say, oh, well, you know some like some guys
on dating sites will swipe right at them. It's like, well,
because if you can use filters, and you can you
can cheat in a photo in person, you always know
they never come across as women. So there's a lie
that's at the heart of all this. The whole notion
of gender affirmation skips the fact that the transition never works.
(09:23):
And if and if it's not about the physical transition,
why go through the process in the first place. If
it's an emotional state that must be respected, why do this?
You know, the snip and the change and the and
the tuck and all these things that go on. If
it's not about the physical change. Well, the physical change
is always insufficient, and that's part of this that never
(09:43):
gets discussed. You cannot actually transition, it does not exist.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So that is a lie. Also a lie basically everything
they told us during COVID. So then how do you
expect And this is the big question that I asked,
I think doctor Sapphire. The challenge that I think we
face now is when you have been lied to to
such an extent by public health experts. When they told
(10:11):
you take your mask off when you sit down in
a restaurant you can eat, but you have to leave
your mask on when you walk in and check in
at the counter, and then magically you sit down and
it's fine. When they told you that you could not
go outside at all, and then George Floyd happens, and
they suddenly say, actually, it's imperative that you go out
(10:34):
and join hundreds of thousands of people in march in
close unison in the streets to protest against systemic racism.
How in the world can you trust anything that public
health authorities are saying now? And I think that is
we'll ask doctor a Latipo about this in a moment.
But That's why I've got RFK Junior's back. I don't
presume that he's right on everything. I don't presume that
(10:57):
anybody's right on everything, but I'm willing to listen to
him because he correctly diagnosed much of the wrong decisions
that were being made in COVID, and so I find
it somewhat We were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
Why do kids today get twice as many vaccinations as
(11:18):
you and I got when we were babies, Buck, That
seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask. And
by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We should
stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right, we
should stop We should stop things that can kill baby.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Vaccines are and I'm excited for all the emails on this.
I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a
general medical breakthrough have probably, and I'm taking this back
now two hundred years, have probably saved more human lives
than any other medical advance in history. Just now, that
(11:57):
doesn't mean that that you need seventy vaccines for your
kid today, but it just we got to keep it
in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines. We
want to keep everybody from getting We are decidedly anti
smallpox on them, like anti murder at polio.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Uh, there are a lot of things that it's very
good that do not exist. But I do think it's
fair to say, is it appropriate to give every kid
twice as many vaccinine vaccine doses today as their average
kid got into any when I was a baby. We'll
talk to doctor Latipo about this, but I just think,
for example, antibiotics, antibiotics as a general class of medication
(12:41):
are incredible and and if you have certain infections, the
fact that antibiotics exist are like a miracle. Now does
that mean that every time you have a cold and
I've you know, you should be taking like a Z packet?
Is there overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant
bacteria with ato?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
There are pro But that's a different thing than just
saying I'm opposed to antibiotics right, or that I think
antibiotics don't have a place in the modern medical tool kit.
So I just we got to keep it in perspective.
You're there are there are some good vaccines and there
are some worthless and bad vaccines. And there are some
vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth.
(13:21):
And all this stuff is true, but it's not a
I'm a I'm a little I'm a little surprised sometimes
at some of the emails that I get on this
on this subject matter, and and then some of the
reading material that I have sent. I'm like, I'm I'm
not I'm not seeing this one. I got to tell you,
not seeing it this way. And I'm somebody who, like
(13:41):
I said, we're picking and choosing vaccines for speed based
upon efficacy, based on what we think is and I
live in Florida. You know what we think is a
necessary or a better risk reward situation. I'm not just
getting him everything. We're spacing things out.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But you know, the the I.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Think the best way here is the reasoned middle ground
on some of these things.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
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in life. One might consider if you had to choose,
moderation sometimes can make a good sense. Look we hit
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I'll watch it all tomorrow college football. I'm going to
be on my couch at eleven am Central and I'm
(14:28):
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twelve hours off and on I'll move, I'll get a
workout in, but for the most part I will be
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In fact, we got the NFL tonight with the Kansas
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck,
and we're gonna be joined by doctor Joseph Ladipol here,
so we'll hear from somebody better position than anyone else,
really to discuss what's going on with Florida, the change
in the vaccine mandates for schools.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Here that are underway.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I live in Florida, many of you know, a lot
of listeners on WIOD and WJNO and WFLA and a
lot of great stations all across this wonderful state, and
I want to hear what the good doctor has to say, Clay,
so we'll get the specifics on it and what it's doing,
and perhaps this will lead to similar actions in other
(17:11):
states with sane red governance. I'm hoping, no doubt, and
the impact that it is going to create going forward.
I'm actually curious for doctor Aladipo. I mean, he's got
young kids.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I would bet, although maybe I'm wrong, I would bet
that he's getting some vaccines for his young kids. How
do you balance that? Where would you go? What would
he suggest that you read? I'm actually curious. I've been
through this already you're going through We talked about it
earlier this week, because your son is of the age
where you start to get some of those shots. I
obviously have been through it a long time ago. I
(17:48):
candidly just didn't spend much time thinking about it. I
did it in the wake of COVID. My kids haven't
gotten the COVID shot, but I think there's a lot
of parents questioning a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When I was in the CIA and the places they
sent me to, including sub Saharan Africa, I got they
jacked me full of all kinds of that. I mean,
I got every I got vaccines for diseases that I'd
never even heard of before.
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So there's that, all right.
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through the
Friday edition of the program. We are joined now by
Florida Surgeon General doctor Joseph Ladipo. He has created a
bit of a stir in the universe out there with
his decisions on what Florida parents can and cannot do
(19:21):
when it comes to vaccines for their kids. So let
me start with this question for you, doctor Aladipope. Buck
has got a young kid. I've got three kids. I
think in the wake of the COVID shot, which it's
quite clear no young healthy child ever needed a lot
in my opinion. You can tell me if you disagree
with that. But a lot of parents out there now
(19:41):
are questioning much of what they were told by public
health experts. Overall. You're a parent as well. What do
you think parents should do when it comes to researching
medical treatments for their kids? What would you direct them
to do? What kind of research would you want them
to cons it or as they make health choices for
(20:02):
their kids.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, that's a great question. And congratulations. I guess all
three of us are dads now, and you know this
is this is something obviously for all of them. I'm
sure our parents, our our children are the most important
people in our lives. Obviously we love our partners too,
but you know, all of us would do anything that
we could for our kids.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
And the answer to your questions, I think people need
to do their research and they just they need they
need to their parents who are.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Not doctor Latipoe. Can we have you call back in
We need a better connection. I can't if I can't
understand you, then the audience definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So could you.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Uh see, let's get him back on here in a second.
I'll just tell you what he did say. He said
you need to do your research. And then we got
a little bit garbled there, Clay, but we'll get into
the specifics. I want to ask him obviously about what's
changed in Florida policy, because Speed's got a little time
before uh he has to get ready for school. He
doesn't walk yet, So we got we got a little
ways to go there. But I am curious to see
(21:05):
what they're doing here in the States. So team, let
us know when we get doctor Latipo back in the
mix here, hopefully with a clearer connection. One of the
joys of live radio is we have to rely on
telecom and it's raining very heavily down here, Clay, in
South Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So I would also just point out overall, cell phone
networks don't seem to have improved much in the last
twenty years. I think when all of us initially got
cell phones, we thought, hey, they'll be flawless by the
time we get into the twenty twenties. By the time
we get into the twenty thirties, I just think we're
always going to have issues when it comes to actually
(21:41):
communicating on cell phones. I mean, it's kind of crazy
to me. I guess maybe one thing is the phones
do so much more than actually lead to conversation that
maybe that's not a focus for a lot of different
companies out there, but my goodness, pure talk does, by
the way, a very good job when it comes to
cell phone See doctor Aladipo back with us. Okay, I
(22:02):
was asking you were answering the question doctor about research,
What would you encourage people to do? And let me
just ask a secondary question. I imagine you have gotten
and will get your kids some of the vaccination recommendations.
How would you analyze this? What would you tell parents
they should do? What would you suggest?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, so you really we need to I think that
as a parent, I mean, we all want to do
what's best for our children. And one of the ways
you do that is is through that common idea, that
fundamental idea of informed consent. And it's just you can't
be an honest person and have lived over the last
(22:45):
few years and not appreciate that there's some gaps in
informed consent. And you know, it's always a challenge, but
it's particularly a challenge with vaccines. I mean, that's the
you know, I don't feel any way about them. For against,
I don't feel any way about them I do feel
very strongly about informed consent. And you cannot have informed
(23:07):
consent when you have mandates, you know when they're negative
repercussions for not complying. And you can't have informed consent
when doctors are or or some parties want to want
you to do something so badly that the research isn't announced.
You know, the questions about what's best for your kid
is than enough aren't really fulfilled. So folks need to parents,
(23:31):
I think need to be talking to other parents because
a lot of parents are now looking into this and
I myself have learned so much and here I am.
You know, I went to medical school. I have a
PhD from Harvard. You know, I spent years taking care
of patients, and there was so much I didn't know
about vaccine a research.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Can you tell us doctor a lotipo just specifically, And
this is interesting, I think to everybody, but for any
of our Florida listeners, there's a change in vaccine mandate
policy now in the state of Lord. But can you
give us some of the specifics what doesn't mean, what
doesn't it mean, and what is trying to be achieved here?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Sure the overall goal is is really to end those
those vaccine mandates because they're so.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Would just to just to be clear, doc all, there
so no mandates of any kind to go to school
for vaccines.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Absolutely not nothing for you know, if you want to
put something in your body, or you want to put
something in your child's body, no, God bless you, but
no one should be forced to do that. I mean,
I'd say that's a fundamental, very black and white ethical issue.
In terms of shifting to the specifics in the Department
of Health, there are a handful of vaccines that we
(24:43):
uh that we mandate. Obviously I didn't do that. That
was a predecessor that did that, and we're going to
peel those backs. So those are going to be gone.
Those mandates are going to be gone, and we will,
you know, we'll work with the lawmakers to explore a
more ethical position. And I mean it's very simple. You know,
if the people who are really worried about this, no
(25:06):
one's taking away anyone vaccine. No one's preventing anyone from
pursuing or taking a vaccine if they want. What we
do want to prevent is coercion. And that is the
current position that is that is inherent to mandates and
it's unethical. And I know it's a shock for many
people that's been obviously with the feedback we received, but
(25:27):
it truly is an unethical position.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
If you were my kids are all old enough, seventeen, fourteen,
and ten. They're doing well knock on wood health wise.
But if I were coming to you personally and I said,
would you recommend vaccines like for instance, polio, for instance,
for smallpox, I don't even know the full list of vaccines.
(25:50):
Would you recommend some vaccines? Would you recommend some not
in your standard as you if you were an individual's
doctor at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah, sure, it's a great question. So I will tell you,
like as I said, this is this is a new
area for me. I mean, it was really COVID that
opened up my eyes to many things in the healthcare
area that were happening and I wasn't aware of that
were very important. So I myself am still on the journey,
if you will, in terms of my learning. So some
(26:21):
of the vaccines I'm more knowledgeable about in terms of
the you know, the evidence informing that inform their their
benefits and risk. And I think it's important guys to
remember that each one it's just like a drug, right,
So you don't like, we wouldn't say, oh, would you
recommend you know, not not drugs as and illicit drugs,
but medications. We wouldn't have a conversation about, oh, do
(26:43):
you take medications. No, we wouldn't have a conversation like that.
We'd have a conversation about, well, what do you think
about this medication and what do you think about that medication?
And that's the same thing with vaccines. So for the
ones that I feel more knowledgeable about, there's some that
I'm more comfortable with in terms of the you know,
in terms of how well they've been studied, in terms
of the benefit risk profile. For example, you know, right now,
(27:05):
that's how I feel about the measles vaccine. Not everyone
feels that way, and you know, and I think that
it's fine if they don't feel that way. I think
as long as you're making informed decisions. There are other
vaccines that I have opinions about that go you know,
in one direction the other. But you know, again, it's
really in my in my opinion, it's important to evaluate
(27:27):
each one individually because they're not the same. They are
not the same. The amount we know the risk the benefits,
they are not the same.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Shouldn't we be asking, and I appreciate you being on
with us, doctor Joseph Ladipoe's Surgeon General Florida, shouldn't we
be asking why autism rates have skyrocketed in this country?
Like leave aside everything else. It is a public health failure.
I would think that in this day and age, we
have massive increases in autism. Now, partly you can say, okay,
(27:57):
maybe we just recognize the symptoms better. There's certainly an
argument there. But I think if you look at the
growth in autism, diagnosis and symptoms, all those things. Certainly,
if you look at the numbers on allergies, for instance,
the number of kids that are allergic to peanuts now
compared to when I was a kid, or certainly when
(28:18):
people out there are far older than me were kids,
it didn't exist. Shouldn't we be asking why these things
are occurring and trying to have less of them, like
allergic reactions. When kids die from peanuts is an awful thing.
We shouldn't be having this happen. And the number of
kids being diagnosed with autism is a national emergency to me,
(28:38):
shouldn't we be trying to figure out what's going on.
Isn't that the essence of science?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah, we absolutely should. And you know you've named some
conditions and there are a lot of other conditions. There
are a lot of autoimmune conditions. And you know, anytime
you're tinkering is not quite the right word, but anytime
you're trying to monifor the immune system, it's not like,
you know, it's not some precision you know, some precision medicine.
(29:07):
It just targets one place. That's not the reality. The
reality is that everything in our bodies is connected. So
you change one thing here and it changes other things
in other places. I'll give you a brief example. So
there's some evidence, and it's fairly good evidence that that
aluminum which is added to some vaccines.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
May be pretty immune conditions.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Look at some of the evidence, it's pretty favorable. And
write the audience into all of the details. But that's
just an example. And that's like the one thing, right.
Our systems are infinitely complex, and it's the idea that
you know there aren't going to be potential, you know,
adverse events that you don't even painting.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It's just bullets. It's nonsense. So you should be instating.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
All right, doctor Laipo. We got a it there, and
we've also lost connection once again, but I appreciate you,
Doctor Glatiposts, Surgeon General of Florida, and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, news story coming out, and this is one reason
I was just asking Wall Street Journal reporting and we'll
talk about this a little bit. Headline exclusive RFK Junior
to link autism to taie in all use in pregnancy
and foll eate deficiencies. Kennedy's autism report touted by Trump
will suggest using pain relievers during pregnancy maybe linked to
(30:30):
the development developmental disorder. And again I was just asking
that question. Autism rates have exploded. This is a story
that is just breaking right now from the Wall Street Journal.
Just got the alert popping into my phone and uh,
and we'll talk about it a little bit. But I
think it is indicative of a great deal of apprehension
(30:52):
from so many people out there in this listening audience,
but also the MAHA movement in general, which is overwhelmingly
made up of moms. There's lots of dads involved too,
but overwhelmingly made up of moms. And I think a
lot of you are asking questions that you might not
have asked if COVID had not happened and you hadn't
been told that your kids had to be injected with
(31:13):
all these drugs. We'll talk about it when we come back.
In the meantime, parents with kids old enough to play
on their own with friends but not old enough to
carry cell phones, what do you want to do? How
do you want to stay in touch with your kids.
We've got a ten year old. He doesn't have a
cell phone yet because we don't give our kids cell
phones until they're fourteen years old. Trust me, we've heard
a lot of complaints about that, but overwhelmingly the data
(31:36):
now is suggesting the longer you can keep your kids
off of their own cell phones, the better it is
for their mental health. And so maybe a lot of
you are also making that choice. Maybe some people going
with watches. I've seen a lot of people out there
with watches that they're able to be in touch with kids.
How about with these walkie talkies. If you remember back
in the day, we used to have the old school
(31:56):
Gi Joe walkie talkies. We'd run around outside. We thought
they were super awesome. Maybe one person's got in a
car the other person does. We haven't our household the
ability to give our ten year old one of these
rapid radios and we can stay in touch with him,
but we can also let him run around in the
neighborhood and be able to interact with his friends without
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. I just
did the Clay welcome I did even realized I just did.
That's just kind of slipped in there. It's like it's
like I'm like Hey, Mom and Dad appreciate you, appreciate you.
They're like, you've been hanging out with Clay too much.
It sort of happened, you know, I got it. Yeah,
no doubt. Mike just said no doubt. And I'm like,
what is I would Clay? I got an audience has
(33:20):
to help me figure what are some buckisms other than
saying good heavens, like like misdoubtfire or something.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You know, old man?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
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old men is? Because Clay's got no doubt, he's got
appreciate you. He goes, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But anyway, but doctor Latipo was really I thought interesting.
And again that news story just broke while we were
talking to you, and it's going to get a ton
of attention. And let me hit you with this headline again.
This is a Wall Street Journal exclusive. RFK Junior to
link autism to tail in all use in pregnancy and
(33:57):
fully deficiencies. And here is the opening paragraph. Health Secretary
Robert Kennedy plans to announce pregnant women's use of an
over the counter pain medication is potentially linked to autism,
and a report that will also suggest a medicine derived
from folate can be used to treat symptoms of the
(34:18):
developmental disorder in some people. People familiar with the matter
said the report is expected to come out this month
and likely to highlight low levels of folate and important
vitamin and taile and all taken during pregnancy, as well
as other potential causes of autism. People familiar with the
matter set, and I know this is something that many
(34:41):
of you out there, particularly when you are pregnant or
when you have a young child, are thinking about constantly
because the rates have skyrocketed. I'm sure buck for you guys,
because you had a young baby, and you had a pregnancy,
you went through and everything else. There's different knowledge out
there now then a decade ago when I had we
(35:02):
had our youngest look and so I think that conversation
is significant.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
One of the really helpful things about artificial intelligence is
going to be that enormous data sets. We talked to
doctor McCarey about this, enormous data sets will be able
to be analyzed very rapidly. And that also it's not
just good for the people that that's their job. You
can do your own If you're talking about do your
own research, we just talked to doctor Latipo about that.
(35:27):
You can do your own version of a deep dive
into deep medical data, and it's incredible what they can pull.
I mean, you can have it read five thousand pages
of you know, controlled study trial research and come up
with what the percentages of efficacy and things like that.
That was not possible even five or ten years ago,
(35:49):
and that's now going to be ungrocked, which is my favorite.
I know people use chat GPT, I don't. I like
the GROC.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I also think what you're going to find out is
everybody's biochemistry, for lack of a better word, is different.
So what you respond to drugs, workouts, food, it's going
to be different than maybe what your spouse does or
what your kids do. Everybody's genetic profile is different, and
I think we're going to learn a lot more about this,
(36:17):
but the conversation is going to be intense, and that's
part of what we're having here
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