December 12, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a high-stakes mix of foreign policy developments, energy economics, and a shocking sports scandal dominating national headlines. Buck and Clay begin with breaking news on escalating tensions in the Caribbean as the United States seizes a Venezuelan oil tanker, signaling a major escalation in President Donald Trump’s push for regime change against Nicolás Maduro. The hosts detail how Venezuela’s economy—dependent on oil exports and narcotics—is collapsing under U.S. sanctions and military pressure, including 22 strikes on narco-trafficking boats resulting in 80 traffickers killed. They analyze Trump’s strategy, which includes tightening sanctions, seizing oil shipments, and possibly deploying targeted airstrikes or drone operations, while emphasizing that Maduro’s days in power appear numbered.
The discussion explores the geopolitical ripple effects, including Cuba’s vulnerability as it relies on Venezuelan oil and the broader implications for global energy markets. Buck argues that stabilizing Venezuela could significantly lower oil and gas prices, reducing shipping costs and easing inflation for American consumers. Clay highlights the irony of climate activists opposing U.S. energy production while forcing reliance on “dirty” foreign oil, and the hosts underscore how communism has turned a resource-rich nation into an economic disaster. They also touch on Chevron’s stake in Venezuelan assets and the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to an exiled Venezuelan dissident who credited Trump for supporting her escape.
From global crises, the hour pivots to a major domestic scandal: former University of Michigan head football coach Sherrone Moore faces felony charges after being fired for an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate. According to prosecutors, Moore allegedly broke into the woman’s apartment, threatened suicide in front of her, and made chilling statements like “My blood is on your hands.” Clay and Buck dissect the legal and personal fallout, noting Moore’s $13 million contract termination, his marriage, three young children, and the likelihood of a plea deal combined with psychiatric treatment. They debate workplace ethics, sexual harassment laws, and whether the assistant involved should also face consequences, while callers weigh in on accountability and gender dynamics in high-profile scandals.
The segment closes with updates on cameras being allowed in the courtroom for the Tyler Robinson case, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk, and teases upcoming analysis on Somali fraud allegations and immigration data trends.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour play and Buck kicks off right now,
and things are.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, They've been heating up for a while.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela. A
US armada not only prepared for further action like what
we have seen against those Narco.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Boats which are getting.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Blown up in Secretary of warhead Set says that is
going to continue. But now we have an addition to
this of seizures of oil tanker. We have the US
has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan
(00:43):
oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this,
more than anything else, is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan
Majuro regime. So we already have this build up play
of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly
and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got
(01:04):
to go. There have been reports even of efforts to
get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that
the Trump administration has been willing to give them have
been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this so far,
at least that's what the reporting is. And now you
(01:25):
have the US grabbing ninety percent of the Venezuelan government's budget.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Essentially is oil exports. It really is.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil
exports and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting
right now, drugs and oil. The oil is like a
heavy crude that requires some pretty extensive refining as I
understand it, and even more importantly than that, it also
(01:59):
is under sanctioned. So it's only getting sold to Chinese,
mostly getting sold to the Russians. I know they have
a lot of oil, but you know they'll take it
at a huge discount. It's getting sold essentially to countries
that are willing to skirt, evade, or just ignore US
(02:19):
sanctions in different ways there. So we seized an oil
tankers like fast rope guys down there's photos of this.
We just took this oil tanker and said that it
is a part of our sanctions against the Venezuelan regime.
We have twenty two strikes against boats in the region
(02:39):
clay eighty people narco traffickers killed in those strikes, and
now we have the US seizing oil tankers from Venezuela.
This will not take long the Venezuelan economy is already
teetering on the I mean, it's effectively ruined. It has
been ruined by Maduro, by the socialist no shock there, and.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It seems pretty clear to me at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I don't think it's going on on a limit. All
that Trump's policy here is regime change in Venezuela. Now
that doesn't necessarily mean US troops or any kind of
a ground invasion, but Trump has also not ruled out
targeted air strikes, essentially missile strikes, perhaps bombers coming off
of aircraft carriers, drones going after ground assets in Venezuela.
(03:29):
We might be in the regime change business here very
soon because seizing oil tankers, you only have to do
this a few times before the Venezuela and all of
a sudden, the coffers are just dry in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They got nothing left.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here which
the climate change people seem to have to a large
extent kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing
us at least they're not making as sendent arguments that
are winning right now, when they were not allowing us
to explore oil and gas to a large degree in
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this country, and they were trying to limit how much
we could produce here. They were instead allowing other countries
which produce oil and gas, as you said, in a
much less refined and clean way that is actually far
more detrimental to the overall environment. We were having to
buy the oil from them. So even on their own
(04:29):
goals here, they were morons. I do think that the
question of what should happen in Venezuela, I don't know
if you read the story the exiled woman who got
the Nobel Peace Prize and said I'm accepting this partly
on behalf of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck
out of the country. Did you see that story is
(04:49):
really kind of an amazing story about how they snuck
her out of the country. They notified the United States
of what vessels she was going to be in, so
we didn't strike it, thinking that it might be a
Narco boat. And there's also reports that we provided cover
for her when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from
(05:10):
being able to come and try to seize her. On
that boat. She went to I believe Cursow and then
caught a plane there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
To fly to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able
to speak there. But so the question is if we
remove Maduro, to what extent will that regime change look like?
And when I say we remove Maduro, I think there's
just a hope at this point that due to the
threats that we have brought to bear, that he will
decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how much of
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a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela. Regime change A
lot of people out there, probably listening to us right now,
are going to point out does not always go fantastically
well for the United States. So I believe there are
twenty three million Venezuelans. How many people do you think
of Venezuelan descent are An America?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
A million or more I would think, certainly, right that
have fled that country because they are so angry over
what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here,
the rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike
anything you can even possibly comprehend.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
There's one hundred thousand Venezuelans to one hundred and fifty
thousand Venezuelans just here in mind. I mean Venezuelan Americans
or you know, immigrants just here in Miami.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, maybe the number is not a million,
but I would think it's close. I mean, hundreds of
thousands of people have fled Venezuela to come to the
United States.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Eight hundred thousands close, not too bad.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
How many of those people would be willing to go
back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have
some form of sustained, not crazy left wing leadership.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who
remember what it was like really under the Shaw period
and before the Komani An Iranian Islamic Revolution to took over.
It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people.
Everything should be overall going very well there. For this
(07:09):
is one of the things that you see here, Clay.
It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall
into the grips of, say, of communism, because look, it's
gonna be tough. There's not a lot of not a
lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous
amount of advantage in that in that geography, just just
(07:32):
as a as a place to set up a country
It's like the old sid Meyer civilization game that I
love so much as a kid, Like you got to
pick where you put your city, and you want it
to be near a river, and you want it to
be near farmland.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Nicaragua's a pretty place, but it's not sitting on one
of the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Yes,
Venezuela is in the Western Hemisphere. Should have a fantastic
relationship with America and Canada and you know, all the
big players in the region, and it should have a
high quality of standard of living. You know, it should
be like Latin American Norway. Yeah, another place that has
(08:06):
huge now you know, oil and gas reserves and has
created you know, a really big essentially national trust fund
for everybody to fund a lot of things. And instead
it's a total economic basket case. It's actually kind of
a hell hole. You know, the Majuro regime has worked
with We hear about Trenda Aragua. It's a prison gang
and now they have not only gangs that run all
(08:26):
the prisons, which you can imagine. If you're an opposition
figure Clay, you get arrested, you go into one of
the prisons run by a prison gang that, oh, by
the way, is supported by the actual government. Think about
what that's yeah, and controls the smuggling roots for the
drugs and engages in acts of political violence, assassination, and
(08:49):
all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices. It's
like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's going on.
And Trump is just saying, We're going to tighten the
screws until this thing collapses.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll play this, by the way, in a sec Trump saying,
we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But
before we play that, I was reading an article and
I think it is significant that there are tons of
tankers of oil that are currently out to see that
are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously
(09:27):
trying to sell on the black market tons of oil
and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that
the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China,
for instance, in India, are not taking that illicit oil
and gas at the same level that they were before,
which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also
in theory putin from an economic perspective. Here, by the way,
(09:50):
is Trump. This is cut thirty saying, hey, by the way,
you heard we did this. We seized a tanker of
oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day
from the same point of news. As you probably know,
We've just seed a tanker on the coast for Venezuela
large tanker, very large, largest whatever. Scenes action and other
things are happy.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, by the way, it's a very Trump thing. Other
things are happening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, you've got the biggest armada the Caribbean has.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I don't know if there's ever been a bigger one.
I mean maybe you have to go back to World
War One or MISSI get way back in the day.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But you you have a massive military build up in
the Caribbean, not a place we usually think of is
where you know with Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean not as much.
Something's definitely going on and and a secondary component of
all this clay and this definitely is going to get
the attention of a lot of our South South Florida listeners.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Cuba is also so just scraping along, just barely. The
regime there just barely able to make it all keep going.
And they're they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or
highly subsidized oh yeah, in the Venezuelan regime, and they
do effectively a barter of sorts where Venezuela sends Cuba
(11:20):
oil and Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs
by the way, because they're all trained by the KGB
and the Soviets, so you know, they know that business.
They they are very close as well to a regime
that is effectively economically frozen in place. So I mean
(11:41):
more so than Cuba already has been for fifty years.
So we're gonna see where this goes. We're gonna it's
like when Trump says, we're gonna We're gonna look at that.
We're gonna look at it. I think there's a very
good chance that Maduro is going to be gone within
six months, and that's a pretty wide latitude. It might
even be more like two or three months.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, And again, what I would say, if you're out
there and you say I don't care what goes on
in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could
have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price
of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially.
And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods,
then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's
diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any
(12:20):
product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that
allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping
comes down. And anybody out there who has ever been involved,
as I have been, in selling retail goods through the mail,
the amount of cost of shipping will blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt,
and always trying to find ways to do it at
the best cost so that we don't have to pass
those costs on to cost on to customers. So ye,
shipping is a big piper. Think about this. Venezuela is
sending its oil to China. Yes, that's I mean, think
about the cost of that shipment for that oil which
is already, like.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I said, it's a very heavy crude.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And then on top of it, there's the sanctions and
then on top of it, you've got.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
To send it all the way.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity selling
oil right here into the US or right you know,
right into all around Latin America.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But communism can destroy anything. This is what people.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Communism is a virus, and when the virus takes hold
and replicates, it will kill the host every time. And
on top of all that, buck we have a lot
of interest with American corporate I think it's Chevron has
a huge stake and they've to a large extent, tried
(13:44):
to seize all the American assets inside of those companies
the foreign assets.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So this is something worth paying attention to. I think
you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I think it's going to happen, maybe by the end
of the year, maybe by into January. By the way,
news coming out out of Michigan head coach there has
been charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live,
I think right now in Fox News. Former University of
Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now
(14:13):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. It teased that
we would tell you this. This is awful. Obviously from
the University of Michigan. Former head football coach Sharon Moore
is in the middle I believe right now of his
court proceeding in ann Arbor, Michigan, basically the county there,
(16:02):
Washington Awk County. I believe he's been charged with three
different offenses, home invasion in the third degree. He was
fired for having an inappropriate relationship with his subordinate and
then we'll play the audio for you because it's pretty
chilling what was alleged by the prosecutor here. He then
went to that assistant's home, invaded that home. She says
(16:26):
he's been stalking her, breaking and entering. He told her
that he was going to kill himself right in front
of her, and that she was going to have his
blood on her hands for saying that they had been
engaged in a relationship. And he has been in jail
for the past two days. The hearing is going on
right now, and that is just an a awful story as.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
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he was having relationship.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
That basically is what is being alleged. And the audio
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Speaker 3 (17:09):
Know that went went crazy allegedly. So we've got audio
because they had cameras in the courtroom there. Audio and
video will play a cut from there as we come back.
And also, by the way, we'll update you on the decision,
which I think is the right one to allow cameras
in the courtroom for the Tyler Robinson alleged assassination alleged
(17:35):
assassin of Charlie Kirk. They're going to allow the cameras
in the courtroom there, which will hopefully maybe we'll address
this a little bit in the third hour. Erica Kirk
was supposed to be on with us today. She had
was not able to come on. She's gonna come on
somewhere down the line. She's been doing a lot of
media promoting the new book of Charlie Kirk. So that's
the latest on both those cases.
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Speaker 3 (18:54):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Okay Live.
Video has been airing of former Michigan football coach Sharon
Moore being charged with felonies. Here are the allegations that
were made against him. He was fired on Wednesday, and
then as soon as he was fired, allegedly went to
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the woman who he had been having an affair with,
who was his assistant. Again, these are all allegations and
this is what they say happened. He barged into her home,
broken in her She says he's been stalking her, and
this is what is alleged.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
To have occurred. These were the charges brought against him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
As we all now know, defendant works at some point
on Wednesday afternoon fired from his employment.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He then, at some.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Point soon thereafter, came to her apartment in the address
that is alleged in the complaint, barged his way into
that apartment immediately then proceeded to a kitchen drawer, grabbed
several butter knives and a pair of kitchen scissors, and
began to threaten his own life. I'm going to kill myself.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm going to make you watch.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
My blood is on your hands. You ruined my life,
and a series of very very threatening, intimidating, terrifying, quite
frankly's statements and behaviors.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
They're in that department.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
So he has been charged with several different criminal offenses,
including a felony buck I mean, just it's an awful story.
This guy had a huge, multimillion dollar contract to be
the head coach of the University of Michigan. He had
been there two years. He took over for Jim Harbaugh,
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has three young kids, is married, and his entire life
is basically been blown up since Wednesday when that when
the university says they got evidence of this relationship, they
fired him, and then, to make matters worse, he appears
to have kind of gone off the deep end and again,
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according to those allegations, told the girl that he was
having the relationship with that his blood was on her hands,
and he was going to kill himself in front of her. Now,
there were earlier reports that he may have threatened to
kill her. He hasn't been charged with that, so maybe
there wasn't evidence so that same way, But what a mess.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's a mess.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I something that first of all, nobody was my understanding, right,
nobody was actually physically harmed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
In this right, correct, that's my understanding.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Sometimes these situations have a very tragic ending that can
never be undone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So nobody was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So you know, if you're looking at this, the tragic
part of this, first of all, the fact this woman
was obviously terrified as horrible and the threats and all
of this is it's criminal for good reason. But this
guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly
having something of like a psychotic break or some kind
of a breakdown. Like I don't know anything about this
(21:49):
guy as as a coach. I'd never heard of him
until this, so I can't speak to any of that.
But what I can say is I think he'll probably
he'll probably take a plea. You and I agree, Yeah,
I'll take a plea, and he he should check himself
into a place and say, look, like I recognize I'm
responsible for my actions. I will pay the consequences, and
(22:10):
I will go and get help. Because this is a
guy who needs he needs psychiatric help, he needs, and
I think that that also gives him the chance in
the future of at least, you know, some kind of
a second actor, you know, a a second chance, because
this did not end with like a murder, suicide or
something like that, thankfully, But this is the kind of
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rhetoric in this kind of situations that can lead to
something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And again, he has three young kids and he's married,
so I didn't know that he was married. Yeah, he's
married with three young kids, I think, all under the
age of five ish, So I mean just had a
baby in July. So yeah, his wife and that family.
I mean, you talk about his choices that have blown
up his entire career, but I mean I hope that
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he has been able to save money and take care
of that family, because I don't know what kind of
job he's going to be able to get in his
chosen profession. He's thirty nine years old, so he's not
that old of a guy. He's got to go back
to work at some point as coach at Michigan. Oh probably,
I don't know, if it was public, maybe pretty sure, great,
probably five or six million dollars might bet And it's
(23:18):
a multi year guaranteed code contract. They fired him for cause.
For people out there who don't know the difference between
being fired for cause and without cause, in college athletics
or most contracts in general, if you have a multi
year contract, then you're just fired. You would get paid
out all those money. So you hear people talk buck
about some of these buyouts that coaches get. You get
fired and then they have to cut you a check
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for tens of millions of dollars. So when they fire
you four cause, your paycheck ends immediately. So he is unemployed,
he is making no money. He now is facing felony charges.
He's got, you know, two weeks before Christmas, he's got
three young kids, and he basically lit his entire life
on fire.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
There's no reporting on you obviously follow the story a
lot more closer than I have. Is there any reporting
on did he have a previous substance abuse or psychiatric history?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I aware of not that I've seen.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And by the way, the University of Michigan, there are
reports that they knew that he had, that he was
dealing with some mental health struggles. They fired him one
on one without any mental health counselors. Pregnant reportedly, so
President yes. So as soon as he was fired, reports
are that he basically went straight to this woman's house.
(24:33):
So I think the University of Michigan's firing process may
well come into question here too, because obviously he's responsible
for everything.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He was fired for the affair with the assistant, and
then he went great, that's exactly right, and he went
to the assistants home. And the reports are that the
assistant went public I mean meaning she went to the
University of Michigan and said they had investigated this before
and everybody had denied that there was any relationship going on.
I don't know what happened to change that. She says,
(25:01):
maybe he was stalking her, but she made the decision
to go to the University of Michigan and provide proof
of this relationship because she was his subordinate. Can't do that,
and so they were firing him for that, which would
have been a disaster for his family regardless, right as
soon as this went public. But then to layer on
top of it the felonies and the fact that he's
(25:23):
been in prison for the past two days. I can't
even imagine. Whatever mental health issues he may have had before,
I would imagine have only been exacerbated by two years
in prison with everybody out there talking about the choices
that you made in life. But to your point, the
positive is here, nobody was injured, there was no you,
(25:45):
There was no violent act at least that has been
alleged so far that led to anything there. Now, certainly
this girl, I mean a guy storming into her apartment
and saying allegedly that he was going to kill herself
and the blood was going to be on her hands is.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We've got a reporter there for OutKick says that Sharon
Moore is now going to postpond. He will get a
GPS tether attached to him, and his attorney is saying
that he doesn't know necessarily where his client will go.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But to your point, Buck, he's going to mental health.
It's going to be a second I.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Would think a mental health facility would probably be its place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's not going to be an insanity defense. Obviously, that can't,
which is very you know, all you do is watch
Law and Order and you find out that insanity defense
is actually very hard to mount unless someone's really really crazy.
But it will be a mitigating factor if he's willing
to take a plea. So he's going to have a record,
and obviously he's lost his job and his reputation is
(26:42):
dramatically damaged, but you know, it could have been worse,
and hopefully I think it let him.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
By the way, buck you were asking about contract, I
think he had thirteen million dollars left on his contract,
so he just.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
For immediately lose his wife too, wife and the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's like, well, you know, this is the thing I
don't like to do the moral of the story, But
moral of a story, don't sleep with your assistant, and
definitely don't sleep at your assistant if you're married. Okay,
it's bad enough if you're not married with kids, but
you're married with kids, don't sleep at the assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
He was making six point one million dollars, so he
had two years left on his deal, so right around
thirteen million dollars that is void. And anyway, I hope
for the kid's sake that he had saved some of
the money that he's made. But he's only been a
head coach for a couple of years, so you can
make a decent salary as an assistant coach. As many
of you probably have recognized, those salaries have gone up,
(27:37):
but not necessarily crazy life changing money like you make
as a head coach and so yeah, this is a
it's a mess of a situation, and it's a major
story out there that everybody is covering right now. We
want to Yeah, we can take now a good point.
We can take some calls eight hundred and two two
two eight a two, And we've got some audio of
(27:58):
our good buddy Tim Walls, who has weighed in on
the Samali fraud allegations as only Tim Walls could have.
And also our buddy Ryan ger Dusky is going to
be on with us at the top of the next
hour for the final hour of the week.
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Speaker 2 (29:28):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We'll get into some of what Tim Wall said here
coming up in a little bit. But David in Minneapolis
wants to weigh in. David, what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Hey, guys, I'm not excusing his behavior. He's culpable for
what he did. He should be punished. But this happens
all the time. Some females starts screwing around with some
guy that's her superior or whatever, they get busted. She
knows that he's married, has kids. She knows that if
people find out, he's gonna lose his job. And what
(30:01):
does she do the second that things go south? She
throws him under the bus. She'll probably keep her job,
she'd probably sue as a state and take money away
from his kids. So let's not make this woman out
to be some little victim. Yeah, she's a victim. I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I don't think either.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just to be sure, well, hold aloe John and I
or hold on second, David, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't want to interrupt you, but I do want
to say I was I mean, this is buck talking.
I was expressing sympathy for the wife and children of
this guy. I never said anything about you know, I'm
happy this woman wasn't harmed, obviously, but no one's crying
tears for her for the affair.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, I mean, you're right that she knew what she
was engaging in too. I mean he's a married coach,
and uh, I actually think she would probably lose her
job too.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I know he's right in a lot of these situations,
this is this is true. We didn't really start to
your point, David, we didn't really get into this aspect
of it. But you know there's a lot of uh, look,
I'm just gonna I brought up the Harvey Weinstein thing before,
for example, specifically with Gavin Newsom's wife. Harvey Weinstein's defense
in that specific situation was they had a long standing
(31:12):
relationship and that it was essentially transactional, as in, she had,
you know, a sexual relationship with Harvey Weinstein, and he
gave her movie Roles, et cetera, which quid pro quo
sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now, this is what the defense said.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But he was not convicted in that trial, which was
the interesting point I was trying to that that trial
he was actually not found guilty. But in this case,
sometimes if you're the assistant, you know, you're lower down
the chain of command and a business, your boss there,
his career is annihilated. But if you're the you know,
the office vixen and you're enticing and everything else, that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should get In my opinion, she should certainly get fired too.
But you may be right, the caller may be right
that the University of Michigan will pay out some sort
of settlement to or uh, but.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Doesn't sexual harassment law usually work in a way where
if you're the subordinate employee and a female.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I also think it's a little sexist with it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well, but if you're the subordinate female except for that
movie with Michael Douglass and to me more where everyone's
like really Michael Douglas like it's that you know.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, dilusion disclosure back in the day. Well, so I
actually I don't know if you know this. I actually
did sexual harassment seminars for a WAPLE. I've done this before,
so you know you have hostile work environment and quid
pro quo sexual harassment. But usually sexual harassment claims are
not brought when there's an actual relationship. It's that someone
(32:38):
is trying to say, hey, if you do this, I'll
give you this. If or you know, you're making someone's
job uncomfortable by harassing them. There that's sexual harassment the U.
And in that situation, certainly the victim can get paid out,
the boss can lose his job. But where as here
presumably there was a consensual relationship. I'm not talking about
(32:58):
the morals of it. I'm talking she agreed to sleep
with him and they were sleeping together. I think he
gave her a raise. That's the allegation out there. They
previously all denied the relationship. They were investigated for this,
and then she just decided to, according to reports, nark
him out.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't know what occurred that would have allowed that
to happen. I don't understand why at all she should
benefit in any way from this. She look his situation,
he lost a thirteen million dollar contract, he's married, he's
got three kids. This is a disaster for him. Yeah,
but why in the world she knew what she was doing, right,
She consented to a relationship until maybe and we don't
(33:38):
know what happened. Well, the real thing is, what if
he broke it off and said, hey, this is a
totally wrong decision. I can't do this anymore. I'm just
speculating he broke it off. Something set her off for
some reason. She went from denying they had a relationship
reportedly to now saying, hey, we did have a relationship
and they fired him. What changed that would have led
(33:59):
that to occur. Maybe she broke it off and he
was stalking her. Who knows what's going on? What the
impetus was, But my point is just you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't think she should be able to keep her job.
I certainly don't think the University of Michigan should pay
her off. I bet they end up doing it, but
she shouldn't profit, I guess, is what I'm saying. Off
of this situation. He certainly is not.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Kevin from New York City listens on w o R
send us a talkback. I think he's telling Clay to
lay off the rose hit it.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I think Clay might need a stronger dose of cracket
coffee because just in the last segment, he said pregnant
instead of present, he said two years in prison instead
of two days, and he said gonna kill herself instead
of himself. Maybe a stronger dose of cracket coffee or
(34:46):
maybe my boy the weekend because he's selling He's selling
our coffee for us, so we appreciate.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I do. Maybe I do need more coffee.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm trying to make sure that I get all the
facts right, and evidently I got them all wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So there.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm also impressed though at I mean, it sounds like
he's sitting there taking.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Notes as Yeah, I mean, well, the audience out there
is on top of it. So yes, all those details.
Evidently if I got them wrong, I got them wrong,
and we did have a fun night last night. So
maybe that's the reason, although I think it's probably just.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I also love I also love our boss Julie, Yes,
who is super fun at PARTI just a great, great company.
But calling me out saying, oh, you stayed up past
your bedtime because it's ten o'clock, totally true. I do
not nine o'clock, nine thirty. I turn into a pumpkin
or whatever. I'm done, I gotta go home. Julie is
(35:38):
great our boss. I have never seen her be the
first to leave any party. I think I've only seen
her be at the very end of every party that
I've ever been to in our entire radio career. She
is incredible. She and her husband Michael, they took us
to the Kentucky Derby just recently, but she is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Some of the Florida are Florida media friends. They have
a little name for me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They call me exit Buck because I'm usually the first
one out and they catch me when I do the selfie.
You got to get the good selfie at the party
so that you shared and everyone's like, oh, yeah, like
you were. It's like proof that you were there and
that you were having fun. But I usually don't last
man like loudness music. I'm like, baby speed, it's too
much for me. But I stayed out till ten pm
(36:21):
Eastern time last night. I think that's the latest I've
been out. I don't know, a long time, A long time,
and I walked home slowly. If I had driven Clay,
I would have stayed under the speed limit the whole time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, I don't doubt it because you're driving Miss Daisy.
I guess who was the Morgan Freeman that was the
driver of Miss Daisy.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I never saw that movie, but it is a cultural
you know, touchdown, Yes, more coming up, stick around, Ryan
Gardusky
All right, second hour play and Buck kicks off right now,
and things are.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, They've been heating up for a while.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela. A
US armada not only prepared for further action like what
we have seen against those Narco.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Boats which are getting.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Blown up in Secretary of warhead Set says that is
going to continue. But now we have an addition to
this of seizures of oil tanker. We have the US
has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan
(00:43):
oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this,
more than anything else, is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan
Majuro regime. So we already have this build up play
of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly
and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got
(01:04):
to go. There have been reports even of efforts to
get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that
the Trump administration has been willing to give them have
been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this so far,
at least that's what the reporting is. And now you
(01:25):
have the US grabbing ninety percent of the Venezuelan government's budget.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Essentially is oil exports. It really is.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil
exports and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting
right now, drugs and oil. The oil is like a
heavy crude that requires some pretty extensive refining as I
understand it, and even more importantly than that, it also
(01:59):
is under sanctioned. So it's only getting sold to Chinese,
mostly getting sold to the Russians. I know they have
a lot of oil, but you know they'll take it
at a huge discount. It's getting sold essentially to countries
that are willing to skirt, evade, or just ignore US
(02:19):
sanctions in different ways there. So we seized an oil
tankers like fast rope guys down there's photos of this.
We just took this oil tanker and said that it
is a part of our sanctions against the Venezuelan regime.
We have twenty two strikes against boats in the region
(02:39):
clay eighty people narco traffickers killed in those strikes, and
now we have the US seizing oil tankers from Venezuela.
This will not take long the Venezuelan economy is already
teetering on the I mean, it's effectively ruined. It has
been ruined by Maduro, by the socialist no shock there, and.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It seems pretty clear to me at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I don't think it's going on on a limit. All
that Trump's policy here is regime change in Venezuela. Now
that doesn't necessarily mean US troops or any kind of
a ground invasion, but Trump has also not ruled out
targeted air strikes, essentially missile strikes, perhaps bombers coming off
of aircraft carriers, drones going after ground assets in Venezuela.
(03:29):
We might be in the regime change business here very
soon because seizing oil tankers, you only have to do
this a few times before the Venezuela and all of
a sudden, the coffers are just dry in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They got nothing left.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here which
the climate change people seem to have to a large
extent kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing
us at least they're not making as sendent arguments that
are winning right now, when they were not allowing us
to explore oil and gas to a large degree in
(04:04):
this country, and they were trying to limit how much
we could produce here. They were instead allowing other countries
which produce oil and gas, as you said, in a
much less refined and clean way that is actually far
more detrimental to the overall environment. We were having to
buy the oil from them. So even on their own
(04:29):
goals here, they were morons. I do think that the
question of what should happen in Venezuela, I don't know
if you read the story the exiled woman who got
the Nobel Peace Prize and said I'm accepting this partly
on behalf of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck
out of the country. Did you see that story is
(04:49):
really kind of an amazing story about how they snuck
her out of the country. They notified the United States
of what vessels she was going to be in, so
we didn't strike it, thinking that it might be a
Narco boat. And there's also reports that we provided cover
for her when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from
(05:10):
being able to come and try to seize her. On
that boat. She went to I believe Cursow and then
caught a plane there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
To fly to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able
to speak there. But so the question is if we
remove Maduro, to what extent will that regime change look like?
And when I say we remove Maduro, I think there's
just a hope at this point that due to the
threats that we have brought to bear, that he will
decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how much of
(05:42):
a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela. Regime change A
lot of people out there, probably listening to us right now,
are going to point out does not always go fantastically
well for the United States. So I believe there are
twenty three million Venezuelans. How many people do you think
of Venezuelan descent are An America?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
A million or more I would think, certainly, right that
have fled that country because they are so angry over
what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here,
the rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike
anything you can even possibly comprehend.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
There's one hundred thousand Venezuelans to one hundred and fifty
thousand Venezuelans just here in mind. I mean Venezuelan Americans
or you know, immigrants just here in Miami.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, maybe the number is not a million,
but I would think it's close. I mean, hundreds of
thousands of people have fled Venezuela to come to the
United States.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Eight hundred thousands close, not too bad.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
How many of those people would be willing to go
back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have
some form of sustained, not crazy left wing leadership.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who
remember what it was like really under the Shaw period
and before the Komani An Iranian Islamic Revolution to took over.
It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people.
Everything should be overall going very well there. For this
(07:09):
is one of the things that you see here, Clay.
It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall
into the grips of, say, of communism, because look, it's
gonna be tough. There's not a lot of not a
lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous
amount of advantage in that in that geography, just just
(07:32):
as a as a place to set up a country
It's like the old sid Meyer civilization game that I
love so much as a kid, Like you got to
pick where you put your city, and you want it
to be near a river, and you want it to
be near farmland.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Nicaragua's a pretty place, but it's not sitting on one
of the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Yes,
Venezuela is in the Western Hemisphere. Should have a fantastic
relationship with America and Canada and you know, all the
big players in the region, and it should have a
high quality of standard of living. You know, it should
be like Latin American Norway. Yeah, another place that has
(08:06):
huge now you know, oil and gas reserves and has
created you know, a really big essentially national trust fund
for everybody to fund a lot of things. And instead
it's a total economic basket case. It's actually kind of
a hell hole. You know, the Majuro regime has worked
with We hear about Trenda Aragua. It's a prison gang
and now they have not only gangs that run all
(08:26):
the prisons, which you can imagine. If you're an opposition
figure Clay, you get arrested, you go into one of
the prisons run by a prison gang that, oh, by
the way, is supported by the actual government. Think about
what that's yeah, and controls the smuggling roots for the
drugs and engages in acts of political violence, assassination, and
(08:49):
all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices. It's
like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's going on.
And Trump is just saying, We're going to tighten the
screws until this thing collapses.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll play this, by the way, in a sec Trump saying,
we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But
before we play that, I was reading an article and
I think it is significant that there are tons of
tankers of oil that are currently out to see that
are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously
(09:27):
trying to sell on the black market tons of oil
and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that
the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China,
for instance, in India, are not taking that illicit oil
and gas at the same level that they were before,
which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also
in theory putin from an economic perspective. Here, by the way,
(09:50):
is Trump. This is cut thirty saying, hey, by the way,
you heard we did this. We seized a tanker of
oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day
from the same point of news. As you probably know,
We've just seed a tanker on the coast for Venezuela
large tanker, very large, largest whatever. Scenes action and other
things are happy.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, by the way, it's a very Trump thing. Other
things are happening.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, you've got the biggest armada the Caribbean has.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I don't know if there's ever been a bigger one.
I mean maybe you have to go back to World
War One or MISSI get way back in the day.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But you you have a massive military build up in
the Caribbean, not a place we usually think of is
where you know with Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean not as much.
Something's definitely going on and and a secondary component of
all this clay and this definitely is going to get
the attention of a lot of our South South Florida listeners.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Cuba is also so just scraping along, just barely. The
regime there just barely able to make it all keep going.
And they're they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or
highly subsidized oh yeah, in the Venezuelan regime, and they
do effectively a barter of sorts where Venezuela sends Cuba
(11:20):
oil and Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs
by the way, because they're all trained by the KGB
and the Soviets, so you know, they know that business.
They they are very close as well to a regime
that is effectively economically frozen in place. So I mean
(11:41):
more so than Cuba already has been for fifty years.
So we're gonna see where this goes. We're gonna it's
like when Trump says, we're gonna We're gonna look at that.
We're gonna look at it. I think there's a very
good chance that Maduro is going to be gone within
six months, and that's a pretty wide latitude. It might
even be more like two or three months.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, And again, what I would say, if you're out
there and you say I don't care what goes on
in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could
have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price
of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially.
And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods,
then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's
diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any
(12:20):
product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that
allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping
comes down. And anybody out there who has ever been involved,
as I have been, in selling retail goods through the mail,
the amount of cost of shipping will blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt,
and always trying to find ways to do it at
the best cost so that we don't have to pass
those costs on to cost on to customers. So ye,
shipping is a big piper. Think about this. Venezuela is
sending its oil to China. Yes, that's I mean, think
about the cost of that shipment for that oil which
is already, like.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I said, it's a very heavy crude.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And then on top of it, there's the sanctions and
then on top of it, you've got.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
To send it all the way.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity selling
oil right here into the US or right you know,
right into all around Latin America.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But communism can destroy anything. This is what people.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Communism is a virus, and when the virus takes hold
and replicates, it will kill the host every time. And
on top of all that, buck we have a lot
of interest with American corporate I think it's Chevron has
a huge stake and they've to a large extent, tried
(13:44):
to seize all the American assets inside of those companies
the foreign assets.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So this is something worth paying attention to. I think
you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I think it's going to happen, maybe by the end
of the year, maybe by into January. By the way,
news coming out out of Michigan head coach there has
been charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live,
I think right now in Fox News. Former University of
Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now
(14:13):
having a hearing. We'll tell you a little bit about
that when we come back. If it feels like everything
moves at two or three times the normal speed at
this time of year.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. It teased that
we would tell you this. This is awful. Obviously from
the University of Michigan. Former head football coach Sharon Moore
is in the middle I believe right now of his
court proceeding in ann Arbor, Michigan, basically the county there,
(16:02):
Washington Awk County. I believe he's been charged with three
different offenses, home invasion in the third degree. He was
fired for having an inappropriate relationship with his subordinate and
then we'll play the audio for you because it's pretty
chilling what was alleged by the prosecutor here. He then
went to that assistant's home, invaded that home. She says
(16:26):
he's been stalking her, breaking and entering. He told her
that he was going to kill himself right in front
of her, and that she was going to have his
blood on her hands for saying that they had been
engaged in a relationship. And he has been in jail
for the past two days. The hearing is going on
right now, and that is just an a awful story as.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
This guy went like fatal attraction wacko on a woman
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That basically is what is being alleged. And the audio
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A movie every guy should see at some point. In
this case, the guy is the one that you.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Know that went went crazy allegedly. So we've got audio
because they had cameras in the courtroom there. Audio and
video will play a cut from there as we come back.
And also, by the way, we'll update you on the decision,
which I think is the right one to allow cameras
in the courtroom for the Tyler Robinson alleged assassination alleged
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in the courtroom there, which will hopefully maybe we'll address
this a little bit in the third hour. Erica Kirk
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was not able to come on. She's gonna come on
somewhere down the line. She's been doing a lot of
media promoting the new book of Charlie Kirk. So that's
the latest on both those cases.
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Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Okay Live.
Video has been airing of former Michigan football coach Sharon
Moore being charged with felonies. Here are the allegations that
were made against him. He was fired on Wednesday, and
then as soon as he was fired, allegedly went to
(19:15):
the woman who he had been having an affair with,
who was his assistant. Again, these are all allegations and
this is what they say happened. He barged into her home,
broken in her She says he's been stalking her, and
this is what is alleged.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
To have occurred. These were the charges brought against him.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
As we all now know, defendant works at some point
on Wednesday afternoon fired from his employment.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
He then, at some.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Point soon thereafter, came to her apartment in the address
that is alleged in the complaint, barged his way into
that apartment immediately then proceeded to a kitchen drawer, grabbed
several butter knives and a pair of kitchen scissors, and
began to threaten his own life. I'm going to kill myself.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm going to make you watch.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
My blood is on your hands. You ruined my life,
and a series of very very threatening, intimidating, terrifying, quite
frankly's statements and behaviors.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
They're in that department.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
So he has been charged with several different criminal offenses,
including a felony buck I mean, just it's an awful story.
This guy had a huge, multimillion dollar contract to be
the head coach of the University of Michigan. He had
been there two years. He took over for Jim Harbaugh,
(20:35):
has three young kids, is married, and his entire life
is basically been blown up since Wednesday when that when
the university says they got evidence of this relationship, they
fired him, and then, to make matters worse, he appears
to have kind of gone off the deep end and again,
(20:57):
according to those allegations, told the girl that he was
having the relationship with that his blood was on her hands,
and he was going to kill himself in front of her. Now,
there were earlier reports that he may have threatened to
kill her. He hasn't been charged with that, so maybe
there wasn't evidence so that same way, But what a mess.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's a mess.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I something that first of all, nobody was my understanding, right,
nobody was actually physically harmed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
In this right, correct, that's my understanding.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Sometimes these situations have a very tragic ending that can
never be undone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So nobody was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So you know, if you're looking at this, the tragic
part of this, first of all, the fact this woman
was obviously terrified as horrible and the threats and all
of this is it's criminal for good reason. But this
guy throwing away his career in this way and clearly
having something of like a psychotic break or some kind
of a breakdown. Like I don't know anything about this
(21:49):
guy as as a coach. I'd never heard of him
until this, so I can't speak to any of that.
But what I can say is I think he'll probably
he'll probably take a plea. You and I agree, Yeah,
I'll take a plea, and he he should check himself
into a place and say, look, like I recognize I'm
responsible for my actions. I will pay the consequences, and
(22:10):
I will go and get help. Because this is a
guy who needs he needs psychiatric help, he needs, and
I think that that also gives him the chance in
the future of at least, you know, some kind of
a second actor, you know, a a second chance, because
this did not end with like a murder, suicide or
something like that, thankfully, But this is the kind of
(22:31):
rhetoric in this kind of situations that can lead to
something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And again, he has three young kids and he's married,
so I didn't know that he was married. Yeah, he's
married with three young kids, I think, all under the
age of five ish, So I mean just had a
baby in July. So yeah, his wife and that family.
I mean, you talk about his choices that have blown
up his entire career, but I mean I hope that
(22:56):
he has been able to save money and take care
of that family, because I don't know what kind of
job he's going to be able to get in his
chosen profession. He's thirty nine years old, so he's not
that old of a guy. He's got to go back
to work at some point as coach at Michigan. Oh probably,
I don't know, if it was public, maybe pretty sure, great,
probably five or six million dollars might bet And it's
(23:18):
a multi year guaranteed code contract. They fired him for cause.
For people out there who don't know the difference between
being fired for cause and without cause, in college athletics
or most contracts in general, if you have a multi
year contract, then you're just fired. You would get paid
out all those money. So you hear people talk buck
about some of these buyouts that coaches get. You get
fired and then they have to cut you a check
(23:39):
for tens of millions of dollars. So when they fire
you four cause, your paycheck ends immediately. So he is unemployed,
he is making no money. He now is facing felony charges.
He's got, you know, two weeks before Christmas, he's got
three young kids, and he basically lit his entire life
on fire.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
There's no reporting on you obviously follow the story a
lot more closer than I have. Is there any reporting
on did he have a previous substance abuse or psychiatric history?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I aware of not that I've seen.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And by the way, the University of Michigan, there are
reports that they knew that he had, that he was
dealing with some mental health struggles. They fired him one
on one without any mental health counselors. Pregnant reportedly, so
President yes. So as soon as he was fired, reports
are that he basically went straight to this woman's house.
(24:33):
So I think the University of Michigan's firing process may
well come into question here too, because obviously he's responsible
for everything.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He was fired for the affair with the assistant, and
then he went great, that's exactly right, and he went
to the assistants home. And the reports are that the
assistant went public I mean meaning she went to the
University of Michigan and said they had investigated this before
and everybody had denied that there was any relationship going on.
I don't know what happened to change that. She says,
(25:01):
maybe he was stalking her, but she made the decision
to go to the University of Michigan and provide proof
of this relationship because she was his subordinate. Can't do that,
and so they were firing him for that, which would
have been a disaster for his family regardless, right as
soon as this went public. But then to layer on
top of it the felonies and the fact that he's
(25:23):
been in prison for the past two days. I can't
even imagine. Whatever mental health issues he may have had before,
I would imagine have only been exacerbated by two years
in prison with everybody out there talking about the choices
that you made in life. But to your point, the
positive is here, nobody was injured, there was no you,
(25:45):
There was no violent act at least that has been
alleged so far that led to anything there. Now, certainly
this girl, I mean a guy storming into her apartment
and saying allegedly that he was going to kill herself
and the blood was going to be on her hands is.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We've got a reporter there for OutKick says that Sharon
Moore is now going to postpond. He will get a
GPS tether attached to him, and his attorney is saying
that he doesn't know necessarily where his client will go.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But to your point, Buck, he's going to mental health.
It's going to be a second I.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Would think a mental health facility would probably be its place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's not going to be an insanity defense. Obviously, that can't,
which is very you know, all you do is watch
Law and Order and you find out that insanity defense
is actually very hard to mount unless someone's really really crazy.
But it will be a mitigating factor if he's willing
to take a plea. So he's going to have a record,
and obviously he's lost his job and his reputation is
(26:42):
dramatically damaged, but you know, it could have been worse,
and hopefully I think it let him.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
By the way, buck you were asking about contract, I
think he had thirteen million dollars left on his contract,
so he just.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
For immediately lose his wife too, wife and the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It's like, well, you know, this is the thing I
don't like to do the moral of the story, But
moral of a story, don't sleep with your assistant, and
definitely don't sleep at your assistant if you're married. Okay,
it's bad enough if you're not married with kids, but
you're married with kids, don't sleep at the assistant.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
He was making six point one million dollars, so he
had two years left on his deal, so right around
thirteen million dollars that is void. And anyway, I hope
for the kid's sake that he had saved some of
the money that he's made. But he's only been a
head coach for a couple of years, so you can
make a decent salary as an assistant coach. As many
of you probably have recognized, those salaries have gone up,
(27:37):
but not necessarily crazy life changing money like you make
as a head coach and so yeah, this is a
it's a mess of a situation, and it's a major
story out there that everybody is covering right now. We
want to Yeah, we can take now a good point.
We can take some calls eight hundred and two two
two eight a two, And we've got some audio of
(27:58):
our good buddy Tim Walls, who has weighed in on
the Samali fraud allegations as only Tim Walls could have.
And also our buddy Ryan ger Dusky is going to
be on with us at the top of the next
hour for the final hour of the week.
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Speaker 2 (29:28):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
We'll get into some of what Tim Wall said here
coming up in a little bit. But David in Minneapolis
wants to weigh in. David, what you got for us?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Hey, guys, I'm not excusing his behavior. He's culpable for
what he did. He should be punished. But this happens
all the time. Some females starts screwing around with some
guy that's her superior or whatever, they get busted. She
knows that he's married, has kids. She knows that if
people find out, he's gonna lose his job. And what
(30:01):
does she do the second that things go south? She
throws him under the bus. She'll probably keep her job,
she'd probably sue as a state and take money away
from his kids. So let's not make this woman out
to be some little victim. Yeah, she's a victim. I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I don't think either.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just to be sure, well, hold aloe John and I
or hold on second, David, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't want to interrupt you, but I do want
to say I was I mean, this is buck talking.
I was expressing sympathy for the wife and children of
this guy. I never said anything about you know, I'm
happy this woman wasn't harmed, obviously, but no one's crying
tears for her for the affair.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, I mean, you're right that she knew what she
was engaging in too. I mean he's a married coach,
and uh, I actually think she would probably lose her
job too.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Maybe you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I know he's right in a lot of these situations,
this is this is true. We didn't really start to
your point, David, we didn't really get into this aspect
of it. But you know there's a lot of uh, look,
I'm just gonna I brought up the Harvey Weinstein thing before,
for example, specifically with Gavin Newsom's wife. Harvey Weinstein's defense
in that specific situation was they had a long standing
(31:12):
relationship and that it was essentially transactional, as in, she had,
you know, a sexual relationship with Harvey Weinstein, and he
gave her movie Roles, et cetera, which quid pro quo
sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now, this is what the defense said.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But he was not convicted in that trial, which was
the interesting point I was trying to that that trial
he was actually not found guilty. But in this case,
sometimes if you're the assistant, you know, you're lower down
the chain of command and a business, your boss there,
his career is annihilated. But if you're the you know,
the office vixen and you're enticing and everything else, that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Should get In my opinion, she should certainly get fired too.
But you may be right, the caller may be right
that the University of Michigan will pay out some sort
of settlement to or uh, but.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Doesn't sexual harassment law usually work in a way where
if you're the subordinate employee and a female.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I also think it's a little sexist with it.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well, but if you're the subordinate female except for that
movie with Michael Douglass and to me more where everyone's
like really Michael Douglas like it's that you know.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, dilusion disclosure back in the day. Well, so I
actually I don't know if you know this. I actually
did sexual harassment seminars for a WAPLE. I've done this before,
so you know you have hostile work environment and quid
pro quo sexual harassment. But usually sexual harassment claims are
not brought when there's an actual relationship. It's that someone
(32:38):
is trying to say, hey, if you do this, I'll
give you this. If or you know, you're making someone's
job uncomfortable by harassing them. There that's sexual harassment the U.
And in that situation, certainly the victim can get paid out,
the boss can lose his job. But where as here
presumably there was a consensual relationship. I'm not talking about
(32:58):
the morals of it. I'm talking she agreed to sleep
with him and they were sleeping together. I think he
gave her a raise. That's the allegation out there. They
previously all denied the relationship. They were investigated for this,
and then she just decided to, according to reports, nark
him out.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't know what occurred that would have allowed that
to happen. I don't understand why at all she should
benefit in any way from this. She look his situation,
he lost a thirteen million dollar contract, he's married, he's
got three kids. This is a disaster for him. Yeah,
but why in the world she knew what she was doing, right,
She consented to a relationship until maybe and we don't
(33:38):
know what happened. Well, the real thing is, what if
he broke it off and said, hey, this is a
totally wrong decision. I can't do this anymore. I'm just
speculating he broke it off. Something set her off for
some reason. She went from denying they had a relationship
reportedly to now saying, hey, we did have a relationship
and they fired him. What changed that would have led
(33:59):
that to occur. Maybe she broke it off and he
was stalking her. Who knows what's going on? What the
impetus was, But my point is just you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't think she should be able to keep her job.
I certainly don't think the University of Michigan should pay
her off. I bet they end up doing it, but
she shouldn't profit, I guess, is what I'm saying. Off
of this situation. He certainly is not.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Kevin from New York City listens on w o R
send us a talkback. I think he's telling Clay to
lay off the rose hit it.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
I think Clay might need a stronger dose of cracket
coffee because just in the last segment, he said pregnant
instead of present, he said two years in prison instead
of two days, and he said gonna kill herself instead
of himself. Maybe a stronger dose of cracket coffee or
(34:46):
maybe my boy the weekend because he's selling He's selling
our coffee for us, so we appreciate.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I do. Maybe I do need more coffee.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I'm trying to make sure that I get all the
facts right, and evidently I got them all wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So there.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm also impressed though at I mean, it sounds like
he's sitting there taking.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Notes as Yeah, I mean, well, the audience out there
is on top of it. So yes, all those details.
Evidently if I got them wrong, I got them wrong,
and we did have a fun night last night. So
maybe that's the reason, although I think it's probably just.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I also love I also love our boss Julie, Yes,
who is super fun at PARTI just a great, great company.
But calling me out saying, oh, you stayed up past
your bedtime because it's ten o'clock, totally true. I do
not nine o'clock, nine thirty. I turn into a pumpkin
or whatever. I'm done, I gotta go home. Julie is
(35:38):
great our boss. I have never seen her be the
first to leave any party. I think I've only seen
her be at the very end of every party that
I've ever been to in our entire radio career. She
is incredible. She and her husband Michael, they took us
to the Kentucky Derby just recently, but she is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Some of the Florida are Florida media friends. They have
a little name for me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They call me exit Buck because I'm usually the first
one out and they catch me when I do the selfie.
You got to get the good selfie at the party
so that you shared and everyone's like, oh, yeah, like
you were. It's like proof that you were there and
that you were having fun. But I usually don't last
man like loudness music. I'm like, baby speed, it's too
much for me. But I stayed out till ten pm
(36:21):
Eastern time last night. I think that's the latest I've
been out. I don't know, a long time, A long time,
and I walked home slowly. If I had driven Clay,
I would have stayed under the speed limit the whole time.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Well, I don't doubt it because you're driving Miss Daisy.
I guess who was the Morgan Freeman that was the
driver of Miss Daisy.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I never saw that movie, but it is a cultural
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