January 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Why the Meta fact-checking news is important. Clay and Buck’s personal experience with censorship. We were right about everything! This is as close to victory as we can get on free speech right now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Walk back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Thirteen days until Donald
Trump raises his right hand and becomes the next president
of the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We cannot wait. We know you cannot wait either.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Decided to have Buck back with us after a big
trip to Spain. I'm still interested to hear how that
all went. We'll discuss that a bit, but we got
major breaking news that came out this morning associated with Facebook,
the censorship industrial complex, and the overall impact that that created.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
In a moment, but first, we're both right in the
Great Canal Debate of twenty twenty five. In twenty twenty one,
the Suez Canal was blocked by a ship. So the
crew was right about the Suez Canal. And interestingly it
was actually a Panamanian based ship that blocked the Suez Canal.
(00:54):
But what I was thinking about was twenty twenty three.
Last year, two hundred ships got back as a part
of the overall supply chain crisis in the Panama Canal.
We're discussing this because much of Trump's discussion surrounding the
Panama Canal Greenland has been predicated on world trade and
who has the ability to control control in some way
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the ingress and egress of ships around the world for
purposes of commerce. Now for purposes of commerce, they're also
and fact checking is a major discussion point out there
about Facebook and Buck. In March of twenty twenty one,
I went and testified in front of Congress. Our friend
(01:41):
Jim Jordan invited me to come, and I went under
oath and testified as an expert about the impact of
Facebook and what happened when Facebook basically decided, hey, we
don't like your organization anymore. Overnight, our Facebook traffic basically vanished.
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And many different media outlets that have been on quote,
the wrong side of the stories that Facebook wanted to
propagate have dealt with this impact. In particular, we were
too favorable about Donald Trump, and we were too aggressive
in covering whether schools should open back up, whether masks worked,
(02:23):
where COVID came from at OutKick, and as a result,
Facebook basically shut down traffic to our site and that
had a major impact. And let me just point this out, Buck,
because I think it's super important. Four years ago in concert, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, Snapchat, Instagram, Shopify, Reddit, Twitch, TikTok,
(02:48):
and Pinarists all banned Donald Trump from being able to
have an account on their social networks.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In Unison, Pinterest, I just that was I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Probably can't put out his favorite his favorite recipes or
his favorite way of making sprinkles for cookies, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And if Donald Trump had wanted to get in the
oven mint business, pinterist was just completely killing his oven
mit game. This was scary and it was crazy, and Buck,
you've talked about this. Not only did they do that,
they actually used Amazon to legitimately take sites off the
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Internet that we're using. A lot of people don't realize this,
maybe some of you do. Amazon web hosting is one
of the biggest businesses they do. If somewhere won't host
your website, they basically just make you not exist. And
this is what they did back in the day to
uh what was the site?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It was a parlor, yeah, which was a free speech
a free speech site.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And no, this was scary.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
This was the beginning of the of the of the
true online to atalitarianism that we had to live through.
I mean, it was this, It was COVID, it was
the election. You know election stuff. So it was frightening
how this just worked all in Unison McLay, I was
looking up I just found this. There was a PolitiFact
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on me. Remember I was saying this before, and this
was from a Facebook post. And here's what I said
in February of twenty twenty one. The science says open
the schools, stop wearing masks outside. I should have just
said stop wearing masks, but stop wearing masks outside and
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everyone at low risk should start living normal lives. And
they fact checked this and said the whole thing was wrong.
It's all masks outside. I mean we knew that from
the very beginning that that was always moronic. I mean,
no one was getting COVID outdoors.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
That never happened. It was all absurd.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean we say never, I mean like lightning strike.
Maybe it could happen, but it was it was madness.
So everything that they fact checked me on they were having,
they were wrong. And they did this over and over again.
By the way, that it's not like they just fact
checked me.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They shut down my Facebook account. Yeah, based on that.
So I said, hey, guys, look at the look at
the numbers. Masks outdoors makes no sense. Oh no, that's
a lie. You're off Facebook.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Now. This is what they were doing to be and
they did this. I know, it's not like Woe is Me.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I always hated Facebook. It's not something I use very much.
But they did this to so many people. And what
you realize was that they were they were not only
unrepentant about the whole thing, they liked the fact that
they could do it to people, even when what they
were fact show, even when they were pushing lies. Right,
that's the real power. The real power isn't to stop
other people from lying. The real power is to make
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other people lie or to prevent other people.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
From speaking the truth. And that's got one. I've got
one for you that I testified about. Buck, you'll appreciate this.
We had doctor Marty McCarey on this show quite a lot,
and he's now going to be the head of the CDC,
I think, which is an amazing congratulations doctor McCarey. It's
a great appointment. Appointment by Donald Trump. We wrote an
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article at OutKick in March of twenty twenty one and
it said it was Marty McCarey saying herd immunity will
be here by April. This was doctor Martin McCarey, an
editorial at the Wall Street Journal. We wrote about that
on OutKick and Facebook told us that we were guilty
(06:32):
of the headline was misinformation violations, and they said we
could not share the opinion piece of doctor McCarey on
our Facebook account, and as a result, they banned the
sharing of OutKick stories for a set period of time,
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with no ability to in any way appeal.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We shared an opinion piece from a doctor.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And just understand this for those of you who have never
been in the yeah, you know, the media business, I
mean to be operating in this world. I mean, Clay
knows about this very well. But I started out working
at The Blaze. I was a website writer for Glenn
Beck at The Blaze. That was my first media job.
That was back in twenty eleven. Gosh, I'm getting old, Clay.
Uh So I very much lived in that world too.
Facebook was for a lot of a lot of big websites.
(07:22):
What would you say, Clay, thirty forty percent of traffic
was Facebook derived, sometimes higher depending on the hiring on
the site.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, in the day, I mean huge amounts.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I mean imagine, you know, if you're running a
hardware store and forty percent of your customers disappear forever,
you're not going to be in business very long, right.
I mean, if you're used to a certain customer base
and forty percent of them are gone. Certainly true of
a online journalism or or you know, news media entity
as well. So Facebook was able to kill off a
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lot of conservative sites and a lot of traffic. And
I mean the damage. And I don't want to lose
sight of this, the damage that Zuckerberg whom you know, yeah,
he's coming around on. Can I just also put something
out here for a second. We need to stop worshiping
people who have been conservative for like five minutes or
not even conservative, who have stopped being crazy. You know,
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we can welcome them into the ten without thinking they're
the messiah.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know what I'm saying. This is a different thing.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, I have noticed this trend on the right
recently of oh, someone has said a couple of the
right things in the last year, so now we love
them forever. Some of us have been saying the right
thing for many years, some cases many decades. Okay, So
if you're looking for like long term wisdom, I wouldn't
all of a sudden you know, you know, I don't
know Russell Brand. You know, is he a great guy?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I have no idea, but I think it's funny that
people are like, oh my gosh, he's so conservative. I'm like,
can we give it a year, Like, let's just see
how it goes first. I mean, there's a lot of
these people that I would put in this category. And
Mark Zuckerberg it just makes me think of this clay
because Okay, so he's no longer actively subverting with Zuckerbucks
going to Democrat causes and massively undermining conservative message. You know,
(09:05):
he's no longer a huge, you know, enemy of free
speech the same way he was.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But let's see what he does. Do you know what
I'm saying? Like, this is it. It's one thing to
see this as good.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's another thing to think think, oh, like the war
is won, or oh yeay, we can trust this guy.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Now I'm still a little skeptical. Do you see what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, I mean I totally get it. And this is
what my wife said. And we'll play these audio clips
for you maybe when we come back in a sec.
Because I want to really kind of dive into it.
But there is no recognition by and large of the
people who were so dramatically wrong on all of this
that they were dramatically wrong. And I would say that
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some form the twenty twenty four election is a referendum
on how wrong many people in the legacy media were.
But all those people who lecture us that we were
going to be on the wrong side of history if
we voted for Trump, or we were on the wrong
side of history because we weren't standing with our backs on
the elevator with masks on, or sitting in circles in parks,
(10:12):
they just kind of vanished. They never really admitted by
and large, hey, we were wrong about everything. Zuckerberg's statement,
which we're going to play for you, will play one
cut of it right here, and then we'll play the
other one for you coming back, really is an endorsement
of which much of what we've said on this program
for the last four years. Zuckerberg admits that the government
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was artificially putting pressure on him to curtail your and
mine and everyone out there's free speech rights. The government
cannot use a third party to do what it itself
would otherwise not be constitutionally able to do. That's what
they did, and that's what we've been telling you that
they did. Listen to Cut three. This is Zuckerberg saying
(10:59):
it's gone too far.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and
replace them with community notes similar to X. Starting in
the US, after Trump first got elected in twenty sixteen,
the legacy media wrote NonStop about how misinformation was a
threat to democracy. We tried, in good faith to address
those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. But the
(11:21):
fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have
destroyed more trusts than they've created, especially in the US.
So over the next couple of months, we're going to
phase in a more comprehensive community notes system.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, this is huge, buck, and we'll talk about all
the consequences of this will unpack basically, this Zuckerberg statement
will play a bit more of it for you going forward.
But this is a seismic victory for those of us
who believe in a crazy idea. We should all be
able to argue and debate what we think the right
direction for the country is on every subject.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
It's certainly moving in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Which is something to be happy about for now, or
be encouraged by maybe a better way of putting it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
You know.
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Speaker 6 (13:10):
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Speaker 4 (13:22):
Right Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Something that we
didn't get to.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Before we were just discussing is pretty funny, is that
Trump has said that he is also considering or he
didn't even say. I feel sometimes I feel like I
saw a pedal. What Trump says. I'm just gonna tell you.
He straight up said, we're gonna start calling it not
the Gulf of Mexico but the Gulf of America. We're
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gonna rename it the Gulf of America. And you know
this stuff about naming and some of these what could
seem Clay like maybe you know, superficial changes or something.
These things we all have implications. And you know, the
left understands that they understand the Democrats, they understand the
power of language and demanding that certain words be used.
(14:11):
This is why they also understand or why they want to,
you know, tear down statues whe they want to rename things,
they want to change the names of military bases. Wasn't
it the Obama administration that changed it from McKinley to Denale?
And now Trump is saying, We're going back to Mount McKinley, right,
I mean in all the military bases, yes, the.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So it's interesting, isn't it that On our side, I
think there's a little bit of a knee jerk reaction
to oh whatever, that's petty or that doesn't matter. By
the way, I'm not saying everyone feels that way, but
some people may just have that, you know, we got
bigger fish to fry mentality. Why would the left waste
their time?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
What?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Why does it matter to them so much? But it
shouldn't matter to us at all. Clearly there's something to it,
and I think Trump pos looking at them in this
way and making these kinds of early proclamations is indicative
of the fact that he understands the narrative battle that
we're in as well.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I just think it's funny people are saying, Okay, how
do you do this? Because I do think it's interesting.
Like Marjorie Taylor Green is introducing a bill to rename
the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America on
like all American maps and everything else. So you can say, oh,
this is crazy, but remember buck, how much time did
they spend saying you can't say Redskins, you can't say
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Kansas City Chiefs, you can't say Atlanta Braves, you can't
say Cleveland Indians. The left has been obsessed with renaming
things to try and address cultural grievances that they have
decided need to be a major part of their social platform,
and we just take the punches. We never actually throw
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a punch back and say, hey, how about we change
something that you might say, to your point, it's inconsequential,
but this is kind of using their playbook and throwing
it back in their face.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, well, I mean you have.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean, by the way, you have disputes between, for example,
China and all of its neighbors about you know, what
to call whether it's different islands. You know, there's the
what is it, there's the the Dayu and Senkaku islands,
and these these island change. You know, they've got multiple
names for it. You know, this is not an unheard
of thing. Now I understand you might say, well, we're
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not in some dispute with Mexico over this.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I don't know, Maybe we are you maybe it's time.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And I'll also point out for people out there say, oh,
what does this matter? Oil and gas offshore, as you
talked about earlier, Biden is trying to restrict our ability
to use our offshore.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oil and gas.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We should dive into this. By the way, it's it's
it's important.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And so something as inconsequential in theory of renaming an area. Basically,
it's saying this is the province of America, not the
province of Mexico. So if you know two hundred miles
off the coast, and I'm not an expert in oil
and gas, you know how long the far the continental
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shelf exists. But this is a major issue of international trade.
There could be consequences associated with naming that tie into
that as well in terms of sovereignty and who has
rights to the oil and gas underseas. I still want
to play another Facebook too when we come back, continue
to break this down, but I think it's Trump and
the agenda and the narrative basically flipping overnight in all facets.
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about all the different moving parts out there. The biggest
news of the day so far that face this book
has ended its fact checking. Let me hit you with
a couple of more details about this decision.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We've talked about how it's impacted us, how it's impacted
businesses out there. They're also moving the so called fact
checking rubric, which will now be similar to what Twitter
did with community notes. They're moving it to Texas from California.
That is, all of the employees involved there will be
in Texas now. That I think is also significant because
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it basically means this will be occurring under the auspices
of Texas law, which is more protective of free speech
rights than California law would be.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So if Facebook is.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Sued over the way that they implement this, you would
have a more favorable jurisdiction in Texas by and large
compared to elsewhere in California, for instance. But again, this
is very significant. It's a direct result of Trump winning.
So if you are out there and saying would this
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have happened if Kamala Harris had won the election, I
think the answer is no. Remember, Zuckerberg has been to
dinner with Trump at Mar A Lago. He has pledged
on behalf of Facebook a million dollars for the inauguration.
He has described Trump's response to the assassination as badass.
I am told that the relationship between Trump and Zuckerberg
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on a personal level has become much better. And Zuckerberg
now says he's going to work with Donald Trump to
fight the censorship industrial complex. This was a part of
the statement that he released. Let me also reminds you
they now have a Republican, former Republican staffer in charge
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of all their government affairs. And you know where they
announced this new policy buck on Fox News this morning
on Fox and Friends, probably with the idea being that
President Trump, who watches Fox News all the time, likely
to have been watching. But here is Mark Zuckerberg cut
Ford talking about working with Trump going forward.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
We're going to work with President Trump to push back
on governments around the world. They're going after American companies
and pushing to censor more. Europe has an ever increasing
number of laws institutionalizing censorship and making it difficult to
build anything innovative there. Latin American countries have secret courts
that can order companies to quietly take things down. China
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has sensored of apps from even working in the country.
The only way that we can push back on this
global trend is with the support of the US government,
and that's why it's been so difficult over the past
four years. When even the US government has pushed for
censorship by going after US and other American companies, it
has emboldened other governments to go even further.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Block We were right about everything. Trump was right about everything,
and this is as close to an acknowledgment that he
was wrong about the way that Facebook handled censorship as
you're ever going to see from Mark Zuckerberg. Now, my
wife and I bet a lot of you out there
are still angry about this, and you want more of
a final resolution maybe than what you've gotten, more consequences.
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But I think this is about as good as you're
going to get from an American CEO.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, I also think, though it's fair to point out
that Yeah, you know, now he's all about free speech
and free expression after getting it wrong, and when the
political wins favor it. I mean, there's a lot of
there's a lot of advantage right now with the incoming
Trump administration to take this position. I'm just saying, I
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don't think that what Mark Zuckerber's doing. Mark Zuckerberg is
doing here isn't any way brave or even rooted in principle.
I think that it is somewhat cunning and political, as in,
he understands that this is in the interest of Facebook
right now, and so he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know, he has gone through some changes recently. You know,
he does kind of dress like a.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Guy in a nineties movie who would be like selling
ecstasy outside of a nightclub now or something. I mean,
you know, he's changed up a lot. He's a little
different than he used to be. Does a little bit
of jiu jitsu. You know, he's a little more of
a bro than he used to be. So maybe he
is truly a little bit more right wing. And I
will also say this, I don't ever want to discount that.
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I think people have learned the left became very, very
assertive and very powerful as a result of COVID in
a way and is particularly online, in a way that
I think allowed them to show us their absolute worst
impulses and the worst side of who they are as
people and who they are ideologically. And I think it
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scared a lot of folks. And I think more than that,
the results for the country were disastrous. The results of
the increased power and assertiveness of the left online and
in real life were horrific and and just took us
into the land of crazy town. And so the pushback
to that is in earnest right. So I think there
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are a lot of people who have been red pilled
truly because of what has happened. I totally see that,
you know, I think Mark Zuckerberg, we just got to
take it a little bit step by step.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Here, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, I haven't forgotten all the times when I
was trying to get the word out about what was true,
you know, sharing Bearnson articles, Alex Parentson articles, things like
that on Facebook, and just it was maddening. You get
these like strikes, you get these shutdowns and the whole thing,
and you could say, the most insane stuff that the
Democrats approve of and you would never get anything. And
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it was a very uh, you know, Orwellian nineteen eighty
four existence that we all had then at a time
when it really mattered and it really counted. So, you know,
COVID was the stress test, and social media absolutely failed us.
We need to change the structures now such that that
will never happen again.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And remember, all we're trying to do is just say
you should be able to debate topics freely without people
parachuting in and deciding to become arbiters of what's true
or false. That the line between fact and opinion is
one of the most difficult lines I think for any
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media company to try to finesse, because what we should
have is a very strict understanding of what fact is.
For instance, if Buck, if I came on today and
I said, hey, you know what, I think water actually
freezes at thirty five degrees, you might sit there and
listen and be like, okay, but you're wrong. Water freezes
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at thirty two degrees. If I came on with you
and I said, hey, based on looking at this forecast,
Texas is going to get slammed.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think if I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Had some meteorologic meteorological knowledge, for sure. I think that
it's actually going to be colder than people expect, and
they're going to get way more snow than what the
forecast are forecasting. That's an opinion, right, So, and I
use that because a lot of this fact checking was
fact checking opinion and actually saying your opinion is wrong,
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for instance. And this is one that I think is
so key. Where did COVID come from? We still don't know.
I think one reason we don't officially know is because
they curtailed our ability to actually examine that in the
immediate aftermath of COVID.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I think the evidence supports that COVID came from a
Chinese lab. Some of you may disagree and believe that
it was zoonotic in origin, that is, animal based in origin.
But the fact that we weren't able to actually have
that debate actually contributed to our inability to determine the
real truth. And the entire fabric of a democrat republic
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is we should all be able to thoroughly argue our
own opinions and get the best results.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
To the other thing, though, and this is what I
think was so so totalitarian about what happened at Facebook
and Twitter.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Let me just say, I know some of you aren't
very active.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
A lot of you aren't very active on social media,
and by the way, it probably makes your lives better.
So congratulations, and I mean that. But I don't think
Donald Trump loses. Don't tell me, oh, but he won,
you know what I mean. I don't think Joe Biden
ever becomes president without the social media censorship and deeplatforming
and hiding Hunter laptop.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Story, etc. That occurred.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Okay, so I think that Donald Trump would be ending
his second term right now. So in a sense, maybe
you're kind of like, well, at least we get four
years of Trump now, Fine, But I think that without
that they wouldn't have been able to pull off what
they did in twenty twenty, all other things being equal,
I think that that was a deciding factor and really
a form of cheating, a form of you know, weighing
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the scales down artificially in favor of Biden. So that's
that's a major part of this. But Clay, also we're
talking about what they've what they're fact checking was things
that they said were untrue that were true, and things
that they insisted.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Were true were clearly untrue. I mean, remember that Elon
decided that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He had to buy and again, apologies for my voice,
folks keeps getting worse. Elon decided that he had to
buy Twitter basically because of a joke the Babylon be
made about a man costuming as a woman who was
getting the like who they gave the Man of the
Year award too, because he had received the Woman of
(28:39):
the Year award, And so the Facebook censorship regime was
such that you had to refer to a trans woman
as a man or a trans man as a woman. Right,
So what I'm saying is it was mandatory lies, and
mandatory lies is the ultimate power. If you can get
people to lie at will, you can get them to
do absolutely anything. It was tremendous harm that Facebook and
(29:02):
these other platforms were involved and perpetrating, of course, in
the name of preventing Harmon, by the way, is true
of all totalitarians. I mean, if you were to sit
down with the Kim dynasty in North Korea, they'd have
a million different ways of telling you what they do
is necessary to prevent the destruction of their country, and
it's all lies.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'm just catching up. I hadn't even seen the dollar figure.
I saw you share this. This all ties in with
how everything is changing with the Trump win. Amazon gave
forty million dollars for the Milania Trump documentary. Yes, holy cow,
that's Michelle Obama kind of money.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You know what I mean? No, no, do, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I mean, to the point we're making about suddenly
Elon led the charge, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Tim Cook at Apple,
a lot of these other executives that are very wealthy
and very powerful leading to companies in twenty sixteen, There's
no way they would have for a forty million dollar
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Milania Trump documentary. This is the same stuff, whether you
like it or not, to your point, buck, that a
Michelle Obama would be getting when she gets a you know,
she writes a book and she gets a twenty million
dollar advance, or the Obamas have a Netflix deal and
they're making, like, you know, some mediocre movie but they
get hundreds of millions of dollars in order to invest
(30:24):
in that. Or even Megan Markle, who continues to get
tons of money. Netflix, I know has got some new
Megan Markle documentary. But this is a vibe shift in
seismic ways, and I think what Mark Zuckerberg is saying
publicly is what a lot of tech CEOs are feeling privately.
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And I think you have to give a lot of
credit to Elon because he has charged to up the
hill to such an extent. He took all the shrapnel,
he took all the oncoming fire, and it hasn't dented him.
And a lot of people, let's be honest, to be
behind the first wave. They're very comfortable being in the
second or third wave after all of the major fighting
(31:07):
has already taken place. Look at Zuckerberg saying, Hey, we're
just gonna basically take the community notes program that Elon
Musk already took put in place and started to work
through the kink sub at Facebook. Now, this is what
an election win does, and this is what win in
the popular vote does, and we should be enjoying it
because it's about as much validation as you're gonna get.
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Speaker 3 (32:36):
We're talking a little bit about the Biden administration just
trying to sabotage things in the way out I think
coming up here by trying to bar future presidents and administrations,
as if he has.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The power to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
From at Oil Exploration offshore. Let's let Fred and Fairfax,
Virginia's Colin and he actually wants to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
What's up Fred?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Hi there?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
How are you.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Really good? Just with regard to a couple of things
you were talking about early in the show, and they're
sort of factoids. First of all, we were talking about
how Biden was restricting drilling in our territorial waters all
around the country, up Alaska and every place else. At
the same time, there is at least one and probably
(33:29):
more Chinese drilling platforms in the Gulf of Mexico right now,
probably Chinese owned and operated, certainly Chinese owned, and you
can check on that. But it's sort of irony that
he would be Biden would be doing this at the
same time that the Chinese are already out there and
they're drilling in international waters and probably thumbing their nose
(33:52):
at us at the same time. The other thing was
with regard to your conversation on Greenland, the uh, the
issue really is, as far as I think is Trump
and certainly the military and the White House are concerned.
The Trump White House is the fact that Greenland is
(34:13):
in the perfect geostrategic position between Iceland and Canada, which
are both NATO countries, and we've got we've got a
base in Iceland, a NATO base that we we can use.
And so it's it's right up there exactly where where
we would like to have more influence and probably military
(34:35):
force presence at.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
We already have.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I mean, we have a US Space Force base on
the northwest coast of Greenland right now.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Yeah, but Space Force ain't gonna hack it when you're
talking about Russian ships in China.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
No, I know.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm just saying we already have a you, we have
a presence there that we could build out more. I mean,
I'm trying to build on what you're saying by pointing
out we already have a foothold there.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Question for you, you and you may know and likely
do way more than Buck or I would about this situation.
One of the fascinating things to me about the extraction
of oil and gas is defining where the footprint is
and who has the right to own that footprint. In
other words, if you think about it almost like a straw,
the straw can suck that that oil and gas. You know,
(35:22):
you dig deep with that straw and then you're sucking
from a variety of different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right, for international oil and.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Gas, if we are giving up the right to be
going and getting oil and gas offshore, to your point,
China's like, okay, we'll take it. In other words, it's
not as if that that that oil and gas is
staying in the water or sorry say staying underground. China
is then hoovering in and taking what we're turning down. Right,
it's it's very poor from a just pure business perspective decision.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah, well, also from a military position. If you remember
what happened in Kuwait. Kuwait was accused by Saddam of
putting in a drilling that was taking oil out of Iraq,
and that was one of the reasons why Saddam went
down to Kuwaitah was because he was accusing them of
(36:17):
they had They had drilling on their property in Kuwait,
on their land, but it was taking from the pool
that was in a very productive part of Iraq.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Thank you for the call. I think this is super important.
Trump sees it.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Biden is trying to do everything he can to muck
it all up on his way out. We'll talk more
about this and continue to break down the absolute latest
Gulf of America.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's a new age boys and girl
Walk back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Thirteen days until Donald
Trump raises his right hand and becomes the next president
of the United States.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We cannot wait. We know you cannot wait either.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Decided to have Buck back with us after a big
trip to Spain. I'm still interested to hear how that
all went. We'll discuss that a bit, but we got
major breaking news that came out this morning associated with Facebook,
the censorship industrial complex, and the overall impact that that created.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
In a moment, but first, we're both right in the
Great Canal Debate of twenty twenty five. In twenty twenty one,
the Suez Canal was blocked by a ship. So the
crew was right about the Suez Canal. And interestingly it
was actually a Panamanian based ship that blocked the Suez Canal.
(00:54):
But what I was thinking about was twenty twenty three.
Last year, two hundred ships got back as a part
of the overall supply chain crisis in the Panama Canal.
We're discussing this because much of Trump's discussion surrounding the
Panama Canal Greenland has been predicated on world trade and
who has the ability to control control in some way
(01:19):
the ingress and egress of ships around the world for
purposes of commerce. Now for purposes of commerce, they're also
and fact checking is a major discussion point out there
about Facebook and Buck. In March of twenty twenty one,
I went and testified in front of Congress. Our friend
(01:41):
Jim Jordan invited me to come, and I went under
oath and testified as an expert about the impact of
Facebook and what happened when Facebook basically decided, hey, we
don't like your organization anymore. Overnight, our Facebook traffic basically vanished.
(02:02):
And many different media outlets that have been on quote,
the wrong side of the stories that Facebook wanted to
propagate have dealt with this impact. In particular, we were
too favorable about Donald Trump, and we were too aggressive
in covering whether schools should open back up, whether masks worked,
(02:23):
where COVID came from at OutKick, and as a result,
Facebook basically shut down traffic to our site and that
had a major impact. And let me just point this out, Buck,
because I think it's super important. Four years ago in concert, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, Snapchat, Instagram, Shopify, Reddit, Twitch, TikTok,
(02:48):
and Pinarists all banned Donald Trump from being able to
have an account on their social networks.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In Unison, Pinterest, I just that was I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Probably can't put out his favorite his favorite recipes or
his favorite way of making sprinkles for cookies, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And if Donald Trump had wanted to get in the
oven mint business, pinterist was just completely killing his oven
mit game. This was scary and it was crazy, and Buck,
you've talked about this. Not only did they do that,
they actually used Amazon to legitimately take sites off the
(03:32):
Internet that we're using. A lot of people don't realize this,
maybe some of you do. Amazon web hosting is one
of the biggest businesses they do. If somewhere won't host
your website, they basically just make you not exist. And
this is what they did back in the day to
uh what was the site?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It was a parlor, yeah, which was a free speech
a free speech site.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And no, this was scary.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
This was the beginning of the of the of the
true online to atalitarianism that we had to live through.
I mean, it was this, It was COVID, it was
the election. You know election stuff. So it was frightening
how this just worked all in Unison McLay, I was
looking up I just found this. There was a PolitiFact
(04:21):
on me. Remember I was saying this before, and this
was from a Facebook post. And here's what I said
in February of twenty twenty one. The science says open
the schools, stop wearing masks outside. I should have just
said stop wearing masks, but stop wearing masks outside and
(04:41):
everyone at low risk should start living normal lives. And
they fact checked this and said the whole thing was wrong.
It's all masks outside. I mean we knew that from
the very beginning that that was always moronic. I mean,
no one was getting COVID outdoors.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
That never happened. It was all absurd.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean we say never, I mean like lightning strike.
Maybe it could happen, but it was it was madness.
So everything that they fact checked me on they were having,
they were wrong. And they did this over and over again.
By the way, that it's not like they just fact
checked me.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Clay.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They shut down my Facebook account. Yeah, based on that.
So I said, hey, guys, look at the look at
the numbers. Masks outdoors makes no sense. Oh no, that's
a lie. You're off Facebook.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Now. This is what they were doing to be and
they did this. I know, it's not like Woe is Me.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I always hated Facebook. It's not something I use very much.
But they did this to so many people. And what
you realize was that they were they were not only
unrepentant about the whole thing, they liked the fact that
they could do it to people, even when what they
were fact show, even when they were pushing lies. Right,
that's the real power. The real power isn't to stop
other people from lying. The real power is to make
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other people lie or to prevent other people.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
From speaking the truth. And that's got one. I've got
one for you that I testified about. Buck, you'll appreciate this.
We had doctor Marty McCarey on this show quite a lot,
and he's now going to be the head of the CDC,
I think, which is an amazing congratulations doctor McCarey. It's
a great appointment. Appointment by Donald Trump. We wrote an
(06:12):
article at OutKick in March of twenty twenty one and
it said it was Marty McCarey saying herd immunity will
be here by April. This was doctor Martin McCarey, an
editorial at the Wall Street Journal. We wrote about that
on OutKick and Facebook told us that we were guilty
(06:32):
of the headline was misinformation violations, and they said we
could not share the opinion piece of doctor McCarey on
our Facebook account, and as a result, they banned the
sharing of OutKick stories for a set period of time,
(06:52):
with no ability to in any way appeal.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
We shared an opinion piece from a doctor.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
And just understand this for those of you who have never
been in the yeah, you know, the media business, I
mean to be operating in this world. I mean, Clay
knows about this very well. But I started out working
at The Blaze. I was a website writer for Glenn
Beck at The Blaze. That was my first media job.
That was back in twenty eleven. Gosh, I'm getting old, Clay.
Uh So I very much lived in that world too.
Facebook was for a lot of a lot of big websites.
(07:22):
What would you say, Clay, thirty forty percent of traffic
was Facebook derived, sometimes higher depending on the hiring on
the site.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, in the day, I mean huge amounts.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I mean imagine, you know, if you're running a
hardware store and forty percent of your customers disappear forever,
you're not going to be in business very long, right.
I mean, if you're used to a certain customer base
and forty percent of them are gone. Certainly true of
a online journalism or or you know, news media entity
as well. So Facebook was able to kill off a
(07:52):
lot of conservative sites and a lot of traffic. And
I mean the damage. And I don't want to lose
sight of this, the damage that Zuckerberg whom you know, yeah,
he's coming around on. Can I just also put something
out here for a second. We need to stop worshiping
people who have been conservative for like five minutes or
not even conservative, who have stopped being crazy. You know,
(08:15):
we can welcome them into the ten without thinking they're
the messiah.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know what I'm saying. This is a different thing.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean, I have noticed this trend on the right
recently of oh, someone has said a couple of the
right things in the last year, so now we love
them forever. Some of us have been saying the right
thing for many years, some cases many decades. Okay, So
if you're looking for like long term wisdom, I wouldn't
all of a sudden you know, you know, I don't
know Russell Brand. You know, is he a great guy?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I have no idea, but I think it's funny that
people are like, oh my gosh, he's so conservative. I'm like,
can we give it a year, Like, let's just see
how it goes first. I mean, there's a lot of
these people that I would put in this category. And
Mark Zuckerberg it just makes me think of this clay
because Okay, so he's no longer actively subverting with Zuckerbucks
going to Democrat causes and massively undermining conservative message. You know,
(09:05):
he's no longer a huge, you know, enemy of free
speech the same way he was.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But let's see what he does. Do you know what
I'm saying? Like, this is it. It's one thing to
see this as good.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It's another thing to think think, oh, like the war
is won, or oh yeay, we can trust this guy.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Now I'm still a little skeptical. Do you see what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, I mean I totally get it. And this is
what my wife said. And we'll play these audio clips
for you maybe when we come back in a sec.
Because I want to really kind of dive into it.
But there is no recognition by and large of the
people who were so dramatically wrong on all of this
that they were dramatically wrong. And I would say that
(09:48):
some form the twenty twenty four election is a referendum
on how wrong many people in the legacy media were.
But all those people who lecture us that we were
going to be on the wrong side of history if
we voted for Trump, or we were on the wrong
side of history because we weren't standing with our backs on
the elevator with masks on, or sitting in circles in parks,
(10:12):
they just kind of vanished. They never really admitted by
and large, hey, we were wrong about everything. Zuckerberg's statement,
which we're going to play for you, will play one
cut of it right here, and then we'll play the
other one for you coming back, really is an endorsement
of which much of what we've said on this program
for the last four years. Zuckerberg admits that the government
(10:36):
was artificially putting pressure on him to curtail your and
mine and everyone out there's free speech rights. The government
cannot use a third party to do what it itself
would otherwise not be constitutionally able to do. That's what
they did, and that's what we've been telling you that
they did. Listen to Cut three. This is Zuckerberg saying
(10:59):
it's gone too far.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and
replace them with community notes similar to X. Starting in
the US, after Trump first got elected in twenty sixteen,
the legacy media wrote NonStop about how misinformation was a
threat to democracy. We tried, in good faith to address
those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. But the
(11:21):
fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have
destroyed more trusts than they've created, especially in the US.
So over the next couple of months, we're going to
phase in a more comprehensive community notes system.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, this is huge, buck, and we'll talk about all
the consequences of this will unpack basically, this Zuckerberg statement
will play a bit more of it for you going forward.
But this is a seismic victory for those of us
who believe in a crazy idea. We should all be
able to argue and debate what we think the right
direction for the country is on every subject.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
It's certainly moving in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
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Saving America, One Thought at a time Clay Travis and
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Speaker 4 (13:22):
Right Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Something that we
didn't get to.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Before we were just discussing is pretty funny, is that
Trump has said that he is also considering or he
didn't even say. I feel sometimes I feel like I
saw a pedal. What Trump says. I'm just gonna tell you.
He straight up said, we're gonna start calling it not
the Gulf of Mexico but the Gulf of America. We're
(13:46):
gonna rename it the Gulf of America. And you know
this stuff about naming and some of these what could
seem Clay like maybe you know, superficial changes or something.
These things we all have implications. And you know, the
left understands that they understand the Democrats, they understand the
power of language and demanding that certain words be used.
(14:11):
This is why they also understand or why they want to,
you know, tear down statues whe they want to rename things,
they want to change the names of military bases. Wasn't
it the Obama administration that changed it from McKinley to Denale?
And now Trump is saying, We're going back to Mount McKinley, right,
I mean in all the military bases, yes, the.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So it's interesting, isn't it that On our side, I
think there's a little bit of a knee jerk reaction
to oh whatever, that's petty or that doesn't matter. By
the way, I'm not saying everyone feels that way, but
some people may just have that, you know, we got
bigger fish to fry mentality. Why would the left waste
their time?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
What?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Why does it matter to them so much? But it
shouldn't matter to us at all. Clearly there's something to it,
and I think Trump pos looking at them in this
way and making these kinds of early proclamations is indicative
of the fact that he understands the narrative battle that
we're in as well.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I just think it's funny people are saying, Okay, how
do you do this? Because I do think it's interesting.
Like Marjorie Taylor Green is introducing a bill to rename
the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America on
like all American maps and everything else. So you can say, oh,
this is crazy, but remember buck, how much time did
they spend saying you can't say Redskins, you can't say
(15:33):
Kansas City Chiefs, you can't say Atlanta Braves, you can't
say Cleveland Indians. The left has been obsessed with renaming
things to try and address cultural grievances that they have
decided need to be a major part of their social platform,
and we just take the punches. We never actually throw
(15:54):
a punch back and say, hey, how about we change
something that you might say, to your point, it's inconsequential,
but this is kind of using their playbook and throwing
it back in their face.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, well, I mean you have.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean, by the way, you have disputes between, for example,
China and all of its neighbors about you know, what
to call whether it's different islands. You know, there's the
what is it, there's the the Dayu and Senkaku islands,
and these these island change. You know, they've got multiple
names for it. You know, this is not an unheard
of thing. Now I understand you might say, well, we're
(16:28):
not in some dispute with Mexico over this.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I don't know, Maybe we are you maybe it's time.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And I'll also point out for people out there say, oh,
what does this matter? Oil and gas offshore, as you
talked about earlier, Biden is trying to restrict our ability
to use our offshore.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oil and gas.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We should dive into this. By the way, it's it's
it's important.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And so something as inconsequential in theory of renaming an area. Basically,
it's saying this is the province of America, not the
province of Mexico. So if you know two hundred miles
off the coast, and I'm not an expert in oil
and gas, you know how long the far the continental
(17:10):
shelf exists. But this is a major issue of international trade.
There could be consequences associated with naming that tie into
that as well in terms of sovereignty and who has
rights to the oil and gas underseas. I still want
to play another Facebook too when we come back, continue
to break this down, but I think it's Trump and
the agenda and the narrative basically flipping overnight in all facets.
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This is how they're all connected and.
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Do I need to watch this?
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Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about all the different moving parts out there. The biggest
news of the day so far that face this book
has ended its fact checking. Let me hit you with
a couple of more details about this decision.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We've talked about how it's impacted us, how it's impacted
businesses out there. They're also moving the so called fact
checking rubric, which will now be similar to what Twitter
did with community notes. They're moving it to Texas from California.
That is, all of the employees involved there will be
in Texas now. That I think is also significant because
(19:26):
it basically means this will be occurring under the auspices
of Texas law, which is more protective of free speech
rights than California law would be.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So if Facebook is.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Sued over the way that they implement this, you would
have a more favorable jurisdiction in Texas by and large
compared to elsewhere in California, for instance. But again, this
is very significant. It's a direct result of Trump winning.
So if you are out there and saying would this
(20:00):
have happened if Kamala Harris had won the election, I
think the answer is no. Remember, Zuckerberg has been to
dinner with Trump at Mar A Lago. He has pledged
on behalf of Facebook a million dollars for the inauguration.
He has described Trump's response to the assassination as badass.
I am told that the relationship between Trump and Zuckerberg
(20:23):
on a personal level has become much better. And Zuckerberg
now says he's going to work with Donald Trump to
fight the censorship industrial complex. This was a part of
the statement that he released. Let me also reminds you
they now have a Republican, former Republican staffer in charge
(20:44):
of all their government affairs. And you know where they
announced this new policy buck on Fox News this morning
on Fox and Friends, probably with the idea being that
President Trump, who watches Fox News all the time, likely
to have been watching. But here is Mark Zuckerberg cut
Ford talking about working with Trump going forward.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
We're going to work with President Trump to push back
on governments around the world. They're going after American companies
and pushing to censor more. Europe has an ever increasing
number of laws institutionalizing censorship and making it difficult to
build anything innovative there. Latin American countries have secret courts
that can order companies to quietly take things down. China
(21:29):
has sensored of apps from even working in the country.
The only way that we can push back on this
global trend is with the support of the US government,
and that's why it's been so difficult over the past
four years. When even the US government has pushed for
censorship by going after US and other American companies, it
has emboldened other governments to go even further.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Block We were right about everything. Trump was right about everything,
and this is as close to an acknowledgment that he
was wrong about the way that Facebook handled censorship as
you're ever going to see from Mark Zuckerberg. Now, my
wife and I bet a lot of you out there
are still angry about this, and you want more of
a final resolution maybe than what you've gotten, more consequences.
(22:15):
But I think this is about as good as you're
going to get from an American CEO.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, I also think, though it's fair to point out
that Yeah, you know, now he's all about free speech
and free expression after getting it wrong, and when the
political wins favor it. I mean, there's a lot of
there's a lot of advantage right now with the incoming
Trump administration to take this position. I'm just saying, I
(22:43):
don't think that what Mark Zuckerber's doing. Mark Zuckerberg is
doing here isn't any way brave or even rooted in principle.
I think that it is somewhat cunning and political, as in,
he understands that this is in the interest of Facebook
right now, and so he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know, he has gone through some changes recently. You know,
he does kind of dress like a.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Guy in a nineties movie who would be like selling
ecstasy outside of a nightclub now or something. I mean,
you know, he's changed up a lot. He's a little
different than he used to be. Does a little bit
of jiu jitsu. You know, he's a little more of
a bro than he used to be. So maybe he
is truly a little bit more right wing. And I
will also say this, I don't ever want to discount that.
(23:30):
I think people have learned the left became very, very
assertive and very powerful as a result of COVID in
a way and is particularly online, in a way that
I think allowed them to show us their absolute worst
impulses and the worst side of who they are as
people and who they are ideologically. And I think it
(23:53):
scared a lot of folks. And I think more than that,
the results for the country were disastrous. The results of
the increased power and assertiveness of the left online and
in real life were horrific and and just took us
into the land of crazy town. And so the pushback
to that is in earnest right. So I think there
(24:15):
are a lot of people who have been red pilled
truly because of what has happened. I totally see that,
you know, I think Mark Zuckerberg, we just got to
take it a little bit step by step.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Here, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, I haven't forgotten all the times when I
was trying to get the word out about what was true,
you know, sharing Bearnson articles, Alex Parentson articles, things like
that on Facebook, and just it was maddening. You get
these like strikes, you get these shutdowns and the whole thing,
and you could say, the most insane stuff that the
Democrats approve of and you would never get anything. And
(24:48):
it was a very uh, you know, Orwellian nineteen eighty
four existence that we all had then at a time
when it really mattered and it really counted. So, you know,
COVID was the stress test, and social media absolutely failed us.
We need to change the structures now such that that
will never happen again.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And remember, all we're trying to do is just say
you should be able to debate topics freely without people
parachuting in and deciding to become arbiters of what's true
or false. That the line between fact and opinion is
one of the most difficult lines I think for any
(25:26):
media company to try to finesse, because what we should
have is a very strict understanding of what fact is.
For instance, if Buck, if I came on today and
I said, hey, you know what, I think water actually
freezes at thirty five degrees, you might sit there and
listen and be like, okay, but you're wrong. Water freezes
(25:46):
at thirty two degrees. If I came on with you
and I said, hey, based on looking at this forecast,
Texas is going to get slammed.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think if I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Had some meteorologic meteorological knowledge, for sure. I think that
it's actually going to be colder than people expect, and
they're going to get way more snow than what the
forecast are forecasting. That's an opinion, right, So, and I
use that because a lot of this fact checking was
fact checking opinion and actually saying your opinion is wrong,
(26:16):
for instance. And this is one that I think is
so key. Where did COVID come from? We still don't know.
I think one reason we don't officially know is because
they curtailed our ability to actually examine that in the
immediate aftermath of COVID.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I think the evidence supports that COVID came from a
Chinese lab. Some of you may disagree and believe that
it was zoonotic in origin, that is, animal based in origin.
But the fact that we weren't able to actually have
that debate actually contributed to our inability to determine the
real truth. And the entire fabric of a democrat republic
(26:54):
is we should all be able to thoroughly argue our
own opinions and get the best results.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
To the other thing, though, and this is what I
think was so so totalitarian about what happened at Facebook
and Twitter.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Let me just say, I know some of you aren't
very active.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
A lot of you aren't very active on social media,
and by the way, it probably makes your lives better.
So congratulations, and I mean that. But I don't think
Donald Trump loses. Don't tell me, oh, but he won,
you know what I mean. I don't think Joe Biden
ever becomes president without the social media censorship and deeplatforming
and hiding Hunter laptop.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Story, etc. That occurred.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Okay, so I think that Donald Trump would be ending
his second term right now. So in a sense, maybe
you're kind of like, well, at least we get four
years of Trump now, Fine, But I think that without
that they wouldn't have been able to pull off what
they did in twenty twenty, all other things being equal,
I think that that was a deciding factor and really
a form of cheating, a form of you know, weighing
(27:57):
the scales down artificially in favor of Biden. So that's
that's a major part of this. But Clay, also we're
talking about what they've what they're fact checking was things
that they said were untrue that were true, and things
that they insisted.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Were true were clearly untrue. I mean, remember that Elon
decided that.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He had to buy and again, apologies for my voice,
folks keeps getting worse. Elon decided that he had to
buy Twitter basically because of a joke the Babylon be
made about a man costuming as a woman who was
getting the like who they gave the Man of the
Year award too, because he had received the Woman of
(28:39):
the Year award, And so the Facebook censorship regime was
such that you had to refer to a trans woman
as a man or a trans man as a woman. Right,
So what I'm saying is it was mandatory lies, and
mandatory lies is the ultimate power. If you can get
people to lie at will, you can get them to
do absolutely anything. It was tremendous harm that Facebook and
(29:02):
these other platforms were involved and perpetrating, of course, in
the name of preventing Harmon, by the way, is true
of all totalitarians. I mean, if you were to sit
down with the Kim dynasty in North Korea, they'd have
a million different ways of telling you what they do
is necessary to prevent the destruction of their country, and
it's all lies.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I'm just catching up. I hadn't even seen the dollar figure.
I saw you share this. This all ties in with
how everything is changing with the Trump win. Amazon gave
forty million dollars for the Milania Trump documentary. Yes, holy cow,
that's Michelle Obama kind of money.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
You know what I mean? No, no, do, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I mean, to the point we're making about suddenly
Elon led the charge, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Tim Cook at Apple,
a lot of these other executives that are very wealthy
and very powerful leading to companies in twenty sixteen, There's
no way they would have for a forty million dollar
(30:02):
Milania Trump documentary. This is the same stuff, whether you
like it or not, to your point, buck, that a
Michelle Obama would be getting when she gets a you know,
she writes a book and she gets a twenty million
dollar advance, or the Obamas have a Netflix deal and
they're making, like, you know, some mediocre movie but they
get hundreds of millions of dollars in order to invest
(30:24):
in that. Or even Megan Markle, who continues to get
tons of money. Netflix, I know has got some new
Megan Markle documentary. But this is a vibe shift in
seismic ways, and I think what Mark Zuckerberg is saying
publicly is what a lot of tech CEOs are feeling privately.
(30:45):
And I think you have to give a lot of
credit to Elon because he has charged to up the
hill to such an extent. He took all the shrapnel,
he took all the oncoming fire, and it hasn't dented him.
And a lot of people, let's be honest, to be
behind the first wave. They're very comfortable being in the
second or third wave after all of the major fighting
(31:07):
has already taken place. Look at Zuckerberg saying, Hey, we're
just gonna basically take the community notes program that Elon
Musk already took put in place and started to work
through the kink sub at Facebook. Now, this is what
an election win does, and this is what win in
the popular vote does, and we should be enjoying it
because it's about as much validation as you're gonna get.
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Speaker 3 (32:36):
We're talking a little bit about the Biden administration just
trying to sabotage things in the way out I think
coming up here by trying to bar future presidents and administrations,
as if he has.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The power to do that.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
From at Oil Exploration offshore. Let's let Fred and Fairfax,
Virginia's Colin and he actually wants to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
What's up Fred?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Hi there?
Speaker 4 (33:01):
How you doing good?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
How are you.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Really good? Just with regard to a couple of things
you were talking about early in the show, and they're
sort of factoids. First of all, we were talking about
how Biden was restricting drilling in our territorial waters all
around the country, up Alaska and every place else. At
the same time, there is at least one and probably
(33:29):
more Chinese drilling platforms in the Gulf of Mexico right now,
probably Chinese owned and operated, certainly Chinese owned, and you
can check on that. But it's sort of irony that
he would be Biden would be doing this at the
same time that the Chinese are already out there and
they're drilling in international waters and probably thumbing their nose
(33:52):
at us at the same time. The other thing was
with regard to your conversation on Greenland, the uh, the
issue really is, as far as I think is Trump
and certainly the military and the White House are concerned.
The Trump White House is the fact that Greenland is
(34:13):
in the perfect geostrategic position between Iceland and Canada, which
are both NATO countries, and we've got we've got a
base in Iceland, a NATO base that we we can use.
And so it's it's right up there exactly where where
we would like to have more influence and probably military
(34:35):
force presence at.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
We already have.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I mean, we have a US Space Force base on
the northwest coast of Greenland right now.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
Yeah, but Space Force ain't gonna hack it when you're
talking about Russian ships in China.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
No, I know.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm just saying we already have a you, we have
a presence there that we could build out more. I mean,
I'm trying to build on what you're saying by pointing
out we already have a foothold there.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Question for you, you and you may know and likely
do way more than Buck or I would about this situation.
One of the fascinating things to me about the extraction
of oil and gas is defining where the footprint is
and who has the right to own that footprint. In
other words, if you think about it almost like a straw,
the straw can suck that that oil and gas. You know,
(35:22):
you dig deep with that straw and then you're sucking
from a variety of different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Right, for international oil and.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Gas, if we are giving up the right to be
going and getting oil and gas offshore, to your point,
China's like, okay, we'll take it. In other words, it's
not as if that that that oil and gas is
staying in the water or sorry say staying underground. China
is then hoovering in and taking what we're turning down. Right,
it's it's very poor from a just pure business perspective decision.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah, well, also from a military position. If you remember
what happened in Kuwait. Kuwait was accused by Saddam of
putting in a drilling that was taking oil out of Iraq,
and that was one of the reasons why Saddam went
down to Kuwaitah was because he was accusing them of
(36:17):
they had They had drilling on their property in Kuwait,
on their land, but it was taking from the pool
that was in a very productive part of Iraq.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Thank you for the call. I think this is super important.
Trump sees it.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Biden is trying to do everything he can to muck
it all up on his way out. We'll talk more
about this and continue to break down the absolute latest
Gulf of America.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
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