August 18, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the high-stakes Ukraine Summit at the White House, where President Donald Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky amid global anticipation. The hour opens with live coverage of Zelensky’s arrival, noting his more formal attire compared to previous visits—a symbolic gesture of respect for the historic meeting. Clay and Buck then pivot to the core issues dominating the summit: the future of U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine, the possibility of a NATO-like arrangement without formal membership, and the broader implications for ending the Russia-Ukraine war.
The hosts analyze why initial economic sanctions against Russia failed to deliver the promised knockout blow. Despite Western efforts, Russia continues to sell oil and gas globally, with India increasing its imports from 1% to 33% since the invasion, and Europe still purchasing Russian energy indirectly through third parties. This “shell game” of rerouted oil underscores the limitations of sanctions and the unintended consequence of pushing Russia closer to China. The discussion highlights Trump’s recent tariff threats against India and his warning to China, framing these moves as leverage in reshaping global energy and trade dynamics.
As the conversation unfolds, Clay and Buck explore the military realities on the ground and the complexity of providing Ukraine with credible security guarantees without triggering direct U.S. military involvement. They compare the situation to the Korean Peninsula, questioning whether a demilitarized zone or permanent U.S. troop presence could be part of a long-term solution. The hosts stress the growing importance of advanced air defense systems like Patriot missiles in countering drone warfare and missile strikes, while acknowledging the staggering costs and industrial challenges of sustaining such defenses.
The hour also features breaking news from the Oval Office: Zelensky signals readiness for a trilateral meeting with Trump and Putin, raising hopes for a diplomatic breakthrough. Trump emphasizes his commitment to ending the war “good for everybody,” while reiterating that U.S. support will come through arms sales, not giveaways. He also criticizes the Biden administration’s handling of the conflict, claiming the war would never have occurred under his leadership. Later, the discussion briefly touches on Trump’s renewed push for election integrity, including his call to eliminate mail-in ballots and electronic voting machines in favor of secure paper ballots.
Hour 2 closes with a sobering look at the future of warfare, where drone technology and cyber threats redefine traditional defense strategies. Clay and Buck argue that Trump remains the only leader capable of brokering peace, framing this moment as a potential turning point in modern geopolitics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Second hour of play in Bunk kicks off. Now we
are talking Ukraine Summits, this time in the White House,
not in Alaska, and Zelenski is there, and you have
the participants. Participants are oh, well, I'm sorry. Any moment
he's arriving, is he there yet? We got got he
is arriving any moment yet. There uncertainty about what his.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Outfit's gonna be, as that has been a point of
contention quite a lot in the White House, evidently in
the past. So we will see.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're watching this live. Yeah, people are taking shots at
the fact that he wore a T shirt before. I
don't think he's gonna wear a T shirt this time.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We will see. Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But Kim Strassel, reporting over at Fox News, I see this.
Any moments Zolenski arrived. Okay, so he he It's imminent
while we're talking here. He will be at the White House.
Europeans are there. But one of our callers had had
a very important insight in the last hour. He wanted
to spend a little more time on here to give
some context. The goal initial of the sanctions, we were
(01:02):
told was to cripple the Russian economy, and that was
under Biden. And yes, it is worth noting, as Trump
has noted many times that this war was started under Biden.
Now you can say whatever you want about it, it
didn't begin under Trump, and it very well could have
the same conditions were in place in terms of the
realities on the ground over there. But for some reason
(01:24):
it was far better timing in Putin's mind to go
with a dementia puppet in the White House. I think
that speaks for itself. I think it's quite clear why
that would make sense from Putin's perspective.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Again, if you're just.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Looking at force, cunning, getting what you want. Putin made
a smart move on that one, going in while it
was Biden was certainly I think a stronger option for him.
But Okay, back to the economic sanctions and the realities
of that. We were told and I remember this that
(01:57):
in the early days of the war, Oh, these sanctions
and this is Biden administration, these sanctions are going to
bring Russia to their knees. And what ended up happening
was I think pretty foreseeable clay for anybody who understands
how the global hydrocarbon economy works, which is Russia just
said Okay, we're just going to keep selling our oil
(02:17):
and someone's gonna buy it. We're going to keep selling
our natural gas and someone's gonna buy it. Because for
nation States, oil and natural gas are absolute necessities and
are effectively money. I mean, they are what you need
to have a modern economy. And so at what happened
when the sanctions got turned up a bit, especially on individuals.
(02:38):
Initially there was a pivot and the Russians got closer
with China selling selling a lot more of their oil
and natural gas to China selling it to India, which
came up recently in the context of the tariff negotiations
with Donald Trump, where he was saying, you guys got
that stuff off buying the Russian oil, or you're gonna
(02:58):
get hit with some crazy high tariffs. North Korea moved closer,
but really North Korea is just an appendage geographically and
politically of China, so that's not surprising. North Korea was
closer into the Russian orbit than at any time previously.
But Clay, the real part of it is, and I
think what lays it out more clearly than any other aspect,
(03:19):
the Europeans continue to buy the stuff. The Europeans haven't
entirely weaned themselves off of.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This, and so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
How can you have a sanctions regime with so many
holes in it? And that's why the Russian economy, that's
why the Russian economy hasn't been brought to its knees
at all. It's been a hit. I'm not saying there aren't.
You know, they've I think they've lost McDonald's and Starbucks
and stuff. But if you if Europe relies still on
(03:51):
some degree of Russian oil, which they do, how are
you going to say you have a successful sanctions regime
A regime I mean, Russia's sheriff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Petroleum to the EU has fallen, but they're still buying
some of it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, just to note this, and other countries have
picked up a huge part of the of the of
the excess, because why not. They just want to get
the oil there. They don't care about this conflict.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This the caller's question. I think this goes to the
essence of this to such an extent. And let me
give credit. Friday night, Sean Hannity did a great sit
down with Trump from Anchorage, and Trump actually hit on this.
He said, one of the big issues with the Ukraine
(04:39):
invasion of Russia and the isolation of Russia. Russia was
we actually pushed Russia and China together as as as
as compatriots in some way. And I think this is
so important, and we talked about it some on Friday,
and I believe Thursday as well. So Russia we cut off.
(05:01):
That's the idea, right, We're gonna say, oh, these sanctions
are going to be massively important. We are going to
shut Russia down and isolate them from the rest of
the world. Really, it's just kind of a shell game
because what happened was Russia still selling their oil and gas.
Instead of primarily selling it to Europe, they sell it
(05:23):
to India and then India can reroute it all over
the world. Right, so we're really just allowing India. So
the tariff for fifty percent effectively that Trump put on
India was a whoa moment. What Trump has not done
yet is actually hold China accountable for buying so much
(05:47):
Russian oil and gas. And I think the India move
was a warning shot at China and Russia that that
next level of sanction might be coming. And so this
is this whole idea that we were going to end
Western relationship with Russia and it would bring their economy
(06:09):
to its knees. Didn't work, It just didn't work. Now
inflation is way too high in Russia. They are having
to take less than the market value overall would be
for their oil and gas if they were selling it
freely on the global marketplace. But by and large, India's
paying a little bit of a discount. They then are
marking it up, selling it elsewhere and making a good
(06:30):
profit in the process. And so this is what the
one of these things that is so interesting here is
we thought we had the economic pight a might to
keep Russia from continuing this war, and that worked.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And now yeah, like one of one of the ironies
of this. First of all, for anyone who was wondering,
just give you some of the numbers. Europe's reliance on
Russian gas I think is now ninety but they're still
doing billions and billions of dollars. The EU is still
buying billions of dollars of Russian oil. That's what you
need to know that that is still happening. And the
(07:09):
value of all Russian natural gas imports from Russia. So
Russian exports of natural gas has increased by dollar figure
over the last four years, clay because of shortages. It
turns out when you have price increases because of changes
(07:32):
in supply and demand, they can't get as much out,
but what they're getting out costs more. Because countries are
still reliant on this stuff, you do not have a
modern economy. You cannot function, you cannot feed yourself as
a nation without oil and natural gas. So the idea
that we were going to box Russia into a corner
(07:52):
with this was, yeah, there's pressure. Yes, the EU has
has gotten as doing less than it was, and substantially
less on the oil side, but there's still ten percent
of what they were. But Russia is not hurting anywhere
near the way that we were told that they would.
And I think that's just indicative of the people in
(08:12):
charge either overestimate their own strength or just don't really
have an understanding of how the global economy really functions.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Zelenski reportedly pulling up right now will update you on
how that greeting goes. Here's the stat by the way
that I wanted to hit that I think is indicative
of this, And I'm reading from the New York Times,
which I think actually has covered this very well. India
before the Ukraine invasion, one percent of its oil and
(08:40):
gas came from Russia. India after the invasion of Ukraine,
now thirty three percent of its oil and gas comes
And here's a good paragraph on this buck Quietly. It
says this has pleased everybody because while they're barring Russian
(09:01):
oil and gas in many countries, they are re routing
Russian crude. Europe then buys the oil and gas from India.
So it's just India has become a middleman, makes a
couple of dollars profit, and then it goes right back
to Europe. So it's still it's like it's a shell game.
(09:21):
Everybody's pretending, oh, we really did something, and really India
just makes a couple of bucks and uh, and is
the middleman to then route the Russian oil back to Europe.
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's even more cynical than what what most of us
would think is possible. I think under these circumstances, oil
is a It is a commodity, as I said, that
all these countries need, and where the oil comes from
at some level is fungible. It's a true global market.
So someone was someone's gonna buy it. You're never gonna
(09:53):
have a situation where the Russians are like, hey, we
got all this oil, anyone want it. Everyone goes no,
we won't take oil at a dramatically reduced price point
from the Russians because we care so much about who's
in charge of Donetsk.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's just not the way the world works. Zolensky arrives on. Yeah,
what is he wearing? I'm not great, we all know it.
Any kind of clothes he does seem to be much
better dressed. He's not in his olive green fatigue looking thing.
He's in an I believe it's an all black outfit. Uh.
(10:27):
And it looks a little bit like a It's not
quite a suit, but it is much closer to a suit.
What would you call this? Are we talking about nehru
collar here? What? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What's not suit? Well, it's not a suit jacket, but
it's like, what would you call this? Alley? I mean,
it looks a little bit euro to me? What would
you call this? It looked like a suit jacket to me?
It was really dark.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I was having her time telling but there was
no time but shirt collar, I.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Think that's I think that's it. I mean, that's it.
It's that's that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He's not wearing a tie, which I'm not gonna hit
him on because I think ties are dumb. And except
the bump, Where's outfit analysis here would be this is
a grown man's outfit.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is this is very euro you know you could
That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, yeah, he's very eurotastic with it, But no, this
is a I think this is this is respectful. It's
a suit jack in and a button down shirt. This
is not you know, what you wear to the gym
to get your uh, you know, to whale on your
peck muscles or something.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think this is fair. I don't even feel comfortable
because I have been like, every time I wear an
outfit anywhere I get, I get criticized for being inappropriate.
So I'm just gonna start wearing full tuxedos to any event,
be way over dressed for everything. But to me, it
does look like he's better dressed. To the extent that
this is a I think.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That picking us apart is would be people are looking
for something to attack Zelenski for. If he had showed
up in a T shirt and fatigue pants or something.
I'd be saying, come on, show respect to the White House.
Under the strict situation this is. It's not it's one thing.
It's almost like if he's wearing a tie but you
don't like the color. Well, he's wearing a tie. Okay,
you know, like you have to.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
We can't.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
We're not actually the fashion police here. It's just about
respect for the White House, for Trump, and for the
Ukrainian people honestly as their representative. And I think he's personally,
I think he's crossed that bar. Even though if you
or I wore what he is wearing anywhere, we would
be mocked. But we get mocked for everything, but I
get mocked for the tennis shoes that I wear, their
New Balance.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I didn't know New Balance was so offensive to people.
As soon as he got out. I'm looking at the
video right now. This has just been posted by Margo
Martin one minute ago. Trump basically says you look great
and points to the jacket and the shirt. So so
there we go. So there he's well attired. He's well attired.
He passes the attire test.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
All right, let's not get too crazy, about this, and
now we can focus on the business of what's going
on here, which is figuring out for me Clay the
terror satorial concession's part. You can see a way through that.
The here's a very imprecise analogy. One of the things
that always destroyed any negotiations for Israel Palestine, you know,
(13:15):
finals final sort of end state program, was the right
of return. So so like Ora Fat would be like, well, yeah,
but we also have to bring back all the palate
and it's like, well, that's that's a deal killer.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And so the right of return was just always something
that they would use to avoid actually signing a deal.
The security guarantee part of this is very tricky. Yes,
I think that's trickier than the land part of this,
because that's lines on a map. You can figure it out.
You can come to a painful but reasonable end to it.
What is a security guarantee without the US saying we
(13:51):
will militarily punish Russia if they do if they continue
the war after they say they've stopped it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's the part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't have a clear answer yet, but that's why
Trump's meeting with them and that's what the discussion is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And that's why I think the Korea example is there's
still no peace in Korea, but then nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Three, But Clay, we have our troops are in Korea.
You actually have some of them lootening right now. I know,
I've seen it on our maps. We get we get
downloads in South Korea, not in North Korea, but in
South Korea. We get downloads for this show. So hey,
thank you guys for your service. Guys and gals over there.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But generationally, to your point, we have had people there,
and I think that's going to be one of the questions.
Do we have a base, do we have rotating this
is the thing? And then yeah, and then is it
a backdoor Article five situation? In some way?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
If North Korea kills thousands of American soldiers in an
initial salvo, opening up artillery and missile strikes on South Korea,
we're at war with North Korea. There No, there's no
way around that. Right, It's a trip wire. Are we
going to set up something like that in Ukraine? That's
a big that's a big if. All right, Well, we'll
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Zolensky has been asked and we're going to play some
of this audio for you. As Zolensky and Trump taking
questions from the media, Zolensky just said, we need to
find diplomatic ways to end this war. We are ready
for a trilateral meeting. Again, I am reporting based on
news coming through. We are going this is happening in
(16:35):
real time. That is a major statement because there has
been hope inside of the White House that potentially by Friday,
we could have a trilateral meeting with Trump as the
mediator Putin and Zolensky. For Zolensky to be saying that
off the top, buck Uh suggests that they are working
towards Uh, maybe this trilateral meeting sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, I think that it's distinctly possible that this could
move faster than some of us were anticipating even a
few days ago, which would be which would be amazing.
I mean, I really believe that this is a moment
where you're seeing I don't care what someone thinks of Trump,
they should be rooting for success here.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Hey man, If.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Someone cannot root for success in this, it means that
they are so suffering from Trump's arrangement syndrome that they
would rather go to sleep at night with a in
their mind, a Trump failure, then go to sleep at
night knowing that there'll be fewer Ukrainian and Russian young
men getting their arms blown off by these drones and
by artillery rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Trump just said, we want to get this ended. We
wanted to end good for everybody that people have Ukraine
have suffered incredibly. Again, we will set all of this
out for you as they are speaking to the media
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welcome back into Clan Buck. The biggest thing happening in
the world right now is going on right in the
White House. Trump sitting down with Zelenski. Let's join them
live right now, play.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
It any other But all of these deals I made
without even the mention.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Of the words cease fire. President.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Decision to offer Ukraine are five like security haartees, but stop.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Short of pushing for their full memership. Yeah, well, we
haven't done anything on that yet.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
If you look back and you go back long before
President Putin, it was always a statement that they would
never allow Ukraine in today. So that was a statement
that was made. But we haven't discussed any of that yet.
We're going to be discussing it today. But we will
give them very good protection, very good security, and that's
part of it. And the people that are waiting for us,
they are I think they're very like minded.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
They want to they want to help out all.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, President United States.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
President.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
The United States has already given hundreds of billions of
dollars to this war effort in Ukraine had it is
a stalemate and the killing continues. So President Trump, how
much more is the United States willing to give Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And President Zelenski, how much more do you want?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well, I'll start up just by saying we're not giving anything,
that we're selling weapons.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
This is something before.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I guess the number is well over three hundred billion dollars.
I was under Joe Biden, a corrupt politician, not a
smart man.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Never was, by the way, go back forty years.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
He was not a smart man forty years ago either,
But now he's in particular bed. This was done by
a corrupt administration that shouldn't have been in And frankly,
if the right results of the election were given, if
I were president, this war would have never taken place.
And he would have been very happy because he would
have liked to have seen. I mean they went through hell.
(20:51):
He went through hell. This war would have never happened.
And the people that were killed, a couple of million people,
a lot of people with soldiers and everything else, and
the people that have been displaced and forcing the other
areas in other countries because of what's happened. None of
that would have happened. And I'm just saying that it
was a horrible president. Whether it was the borders or this,
(21:14):
it was.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Just a horrible corrupt president. If you want to understand,
I can thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So first of all, we have fsability now to buy
weapon from the United States, who are thankful for this
program and this opportunity.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
We're thankful for.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Your would they pay for this and through need a
program for tron theatoral and et cetera.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
We have some programs where.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We can have some money to finance this and this apart,
I think it's not a part for the war and
to defend us. It's also will be a part for
security guarantees, to strengthscen our army, to rearm Ukrainian army.
This is very important and it depends how much money
(21:58):
we need to rearm. For Apple, the Christional for air defense.
We spoke about it with President Trump, and I'm happy
that we have now malateral decisions and we work on
it with production of American product. Nobody in Europe has
so many UH air defense like pat thrills, for example.
We need it very much, and this is also about defending.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
You.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I think the good is we make the best military
equipment in the world by far.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
You mentioned the Patriots. How good are systems. We have systems.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
They're literally a hundred percent foolproof, and it's really like
shooting two bullets, you.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Know, two bullets hitting each other in the air.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
In a space like this, a chance is one hundred percent.
It's ninety nine hundred percent. So we sell the equipment to.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
NATO, and NATO does what. I don't know what the
arrangement is that you.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Have with but I know that they want you to
have the equipment, and we're getting the best equipment in
the world, but they pay us for the equipment. Under Biden,
it was just crazy what was going on. I believe
that number is over three hundred I think it could
be three hundred and fifty billion dollars worth of equipment
and money and everything else.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
And we've made more.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Progress in settling this war in the last two months
that they made in four years. They should have been
settled a long time ago, but it should have never happened.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, you pushed out on social media.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
If I go first, you pushed out on social media
about doing away with mail in ballots and potentially electronic
voting machines.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Can you explain on that help port Well, that's a
very off topic.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Just really quickly. Mail in ballots are corrupt. Mail in ballots.
You can never have a real democracy with mail in ballots,
and we as a Republican party, are going to do
everything possible that we get rid of mail in balots.
We're going to start with an executive order that's being
written right now by the best lawyers in the country
(23:54):
to end mail in ballots because they're corrupt. And you
know that we're the only country in the world I
believe I may be wrong, but just about the only
country in the world that uses it because of what's happened,
massive fraud all over the place.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
The other thing, we want change of the machines.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
For all of the money they spend, it's approximately ten
times more expensive than paper ballots, and paper ballots are
very sophisticated with the watermark paper and everything else, we
would get secure elections.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
We'd get much faster results.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
The machines, I mean, they say we're going to have
the results in two weeks.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
With paper ballots, you have the results that night.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Most people almost but most people many countries use paper ballots.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
It's the most secure form.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
So between paper ballots, very very important paper ballots, and
I think maybe even more important the mail in voting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
We're going to end mail in voting. It's a fraud
if you have mail.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Even Jimmy Carter with this commission, they set it up.
He said, the one thing about mail in voting, you
will never have an honest election off you have mail
in it. And it's time that the Republicans get tough
and stop it.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Because the Democrats want it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It's the only way they can get elected because with
men and women's sports, and with transgender for everybody, and
open borders and.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
All of the horrible things. And now the new thing
is they love crime.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
They're fighting me on the fact that I've made Washington,
DC safe. We're not going to get mugged, beaten up,
or killed like all the people you've been watching get
so badly hurt. I'm glad. I hate to take your
time with this, but I'm glad you.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Asked me that question.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Sir.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
We're going to stop mail in ballots because it's corrupt.
You know, when you go to a voting booth and
you do it the right way, and you go to
a state that runs it properly, you go in.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They even ask me. They asked me for my license
plate for identify. I said, I don't know if I
have it. He said, sir, you have to have it.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
They're very impressed, actually, but it's very hard to cheat
with mail in voting.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
As you know what happens in California.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
It's so corrupt where some people get five, six, seven.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Ballots delivered to them. Now, we got to stop mail
in voting, and the Republicans have to lead the charge.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
The Democrats wanted because they have horrible policy. If you
have mail in voting, you're not gonna have many Democrats
get elected. That's bigger than anything having to do with redistricting,
believe me. And the Republicans have to get smart. We're
not going to have a country. I said for a
long time at rallies. You need borders and you need
free and fair elections.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Those two things otherwise you don't have.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
We have strong borders now in ninety days, mister president,
we didn't have one zero zero. In three months, not
one person came in illegally into our country.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
In fact, even I find that hard to believe. But
it's run by a little bit of a liberal group
that put out the numbers.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
So I guess it's zero, zero and zero.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
You go back a year ago.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Two years ago, three millions of people poured into our
country was terrible, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Guarantees do you need from President Trump to be able
to make a deals in American troops?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Intelligent equipment? What is it? Everything? Really?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's it includes two part First strong Ukrainian army that
I began to discuss with your colleagues, and it's a
lot about the weapon and then people and training issues
and intelligence and second will we will discuss with our
own partners. It depends on the big countries, on the
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United States, on a lot of our.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Friends Americas to that NATO like protection in order to.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Get President Zelenski to a drill today.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, I don't know if you divided that way, but
NATO like I mean, we're going to give we have
people waiting in.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Another room right now.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
They're all here from Europe, biggest people in Europe, and
they want to give protection.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
They feel very strong about it and will help them
out with it. I think it's very important. I think
it's I think it's very important to get to deal.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You'll be involved with the task keeping in Ukraine since,
of course the administration.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
What would you say to the Ukrainian people right now
who are suffering under the Russian.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
A ducks and hoping that the people will stands out?
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I know Ukrainian people. I've known many over the years.
They're great people. They're smart, they're energetic, they love their country.
I mean, they love their country and we want to
get this war ended. That's all I can do. I
love the Ukrainian people, but I love all people. I
love the Russian people, I love them all.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I want to get the worst stopped any aspect of
your discussion.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, so I think we can jump in there
just I mean that that's question I think was.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
From Francesca Chambers.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think I couldn't really see, but those last couple
of questions, Buck, I think go to the crux of
the issue. In fact, if I were in the White House,
I would have just cut it out right there on
that Trump answer, because I think it's a good one.
He's trying to bring peace. He's not trying to pick
sides that stuff. We know, the stuff about what does
(29:17):
a security guarantee look like? This is what I said
before Trump was talking before Trump said, as we were
discussing this last hour, Clay, it's gotta be if Russia
breaks this new agreement, we're gonna help blow up bad
guy Russians. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, that's kind of where it is everyone. I mean,
this is really what the discussion is turning into.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I think to your point, we have to have basically,
I don't see any solution other than a Korea like
solution where you have a demilitarized zone where you basically
have a impenetrable line of defense and you just have
kind of this grudging agreement that there isn't going to
(29:58):
be crossing.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The chain lenge on this buck, as you well know,
is we were talking about this off air. The drone
technology is advancing so rapidly that having a traditional line
of defense may not matter as much in the years
ahead because you can basically send drone armies right over
the top of these sort of the entrenchments.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
This is why he was talking about patriot missiles. Air
defense is now a huge component of this. In the
First World War, you really just had to worry about
artillery coming down on you from the sky. Yeah, there
was the early Air Force stuff, and even at one
point I think they were dropping hand grenades out of planes.
It was a very different thing in World War One.
But Clay, now it's going to be you're gonna have
(30:45):
these trenches because remember, you have to protect against armor,
you have to protect against missiles, you have to protect
against drones, and you have to protect against air strikes
from manned aircraft as well. So it's a complicated layered defense.
Are gonna have to have. Stopping people on the ground,
to your point, isn't enough because there's enough aerial assets
(31:07):
that the Russians can bring to bear where they'll pummel
whatever ground fortifications you have unless you have aerial defense
set up as well. So the patriot missiles, those are
for bigger the problem of patriots. They're really expensive. They
are very advanced weaponry, but they're very expensive, so you
don't want to be shooting fifty thousand dollars drones out
of the air with million dollar missiles. That's not a
(31:28):
good that's not a good plan. And industrial capacity is
playing a huge role in this. How many drones of
different types can they Russians churn out monthly? And how
many drones can the Ukrainians to take out the Russian
drones and to defend themselves against Russian attacks on their
(31:49):
front lines. And remember the Iranians, the shah Head drone
is a that's that's been a big thing in the
Russian arsenal. So they've got they've got allied countries that
are giving them industry, real output assistance.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So this thing is a mess. It is a mess.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And Trump is you can just see it in his
eyes too. He just wants all this madness to stop.
He wants this to end. And I think that he is,
by far clay the best chance we have of getting
it to end. I don't know anybody else who could
even be having this kind of a trilateral or I
should say, hopefully, what will be a trilateral sit down
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Speaker 2 (33:43):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Monday edition of the program, and it is
incredibly newsworthy. So you just heard basic President and Trump
say hey, uh, we are willing to provide some form
(34:06):
of security guarantee in conjunction with the rest of Europe
and effectively what you are talking about is NATO without
calling it NATO. Is that pretty fair to say? Buck?
What it sounds like so far? And I think let's
play cut thirty four because this, I think is the
(34:26):
most significant news from the press availability that just happened
in the Oval office. Cut thirty four. You're teams talked
about security guarantees?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Could that involved US troops? Would you ruled that out
in the future?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Will let you know that maybe later today We're meeting
with seven great leaders of great countries also and we'll
be talking about that.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
They'll all be involved. But there'll be a lot of uh,
there'll be a lot of help. When it comes to security,
there's going to be a lot of help. It's going
to be good.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
They are that first line of defense because they're there,
but we're gonna help them out.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Also we'll be.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Involved to buck. This feels to me, and you tell
me where I'm missing here. But basically every NATO country
commits troops but they don't call it NATO. Is am
I crazy? Or does that feel a little bit like
what we're tiptoeing up to?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yes, but this is also where I think Putin is
gonna be really prickly and I so I don't know
if this means that there can be a deal.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's that's the old.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
This may be a red line where Putin's like, you
know what, if you guys are gonna even talk about
doing that, I'm not gonna even take the step. I'm
just gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going and see
if you're gonna call my uh you know, not to
call my bluff, but if you're gonna try to, you know,
counteract me. Let's get back into this because the security
guarantee thing also given where a lot of the Trump base,
A lot of the MAGA base has been on this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
The notion of.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
US troops in any form guaranteeing Ukraine security is gonna
be complicated.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'll put it that way. We'll talk more about this here.
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here coming up, And we've got this summit that is
happening before our eyes here in the White House, and
it's a big deal, so stick around.
Second hour of play in Bunk kicks off. Now we
are talking Ukraine Summits, this time in the White House,
not in Alaska, and Zelenski is there, and you have
the participants. Participants are oh, well, I'm sorry. Any moment
he's arriving, is he there yet? We got got he
is arriving any moment yet. There uncertainty about what his.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Outfit's gonna be, as that has been a point of
contention quite a lot in the White House, evidently in
the past. So we will see.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're watching this live. Yeah, people are taking shots at
the fact that he wore a T shirt before. I
don't think he's gonna wear a T shirt this time.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We will see. Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But Kim Strassel, reporting over at Fox News, I see this.
Any moments Zolenski arrived. Okay, so he he It's imminent
while we're talking here. He will be at the White House.
Europeans are there. But one of our callers had had
a very important insight in the last hour. He wanted
to spend a little more time on here to give
some context. The goal initial of the sanctions, we were
(01:02):
told was to cripple the Russian economy, and that was
under Biden. And yes, it is worth noting, as Trump
has noted many times that this war was started under Biden.
Now you can say whatever you want about it, it
didn't begin under Trump, and it very well could have
the same conditions were in place in terms of the
realities on the ground over there. But for some reason
(01:24):
it was far better timing in Putin's mind to go
with a dementia puppet in the White House. I think
that speaks for itself. I think it's quite clear why
that would make sense from Putin's perspective.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Again, if you're just.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Looking at force, cunning, getting what you want. Putin made
a smart move on that one, going in while it
was Biden was certainly I think a stronger option for him.
But Okay, back to the economic sanctions and the realities
of that. We were told and I remember this that
(01:57):
in the early days of the war, Oh, these sanctions
and this is Biden administration, these sanctions are going to
bring Russia to their knees. And what ended up happening
was I think pretty foreseeable clay for anybody who understands
how the global hydrocarbon economy works, which is Russia just
said Okay, we're just going to keep selling our oil
(02:17):
and someone's gonna buy it. We're going to keep selling
our natural gas and someone's gonna buy it. Because for
nation States, oil and natural gas are absolute necessities and
are effectively money. I mean, they are what you need
to have a modern economy. And so at what happened
when the sanctions got turned up a bit, especially on individuals.
(02:38):
Initially there was a pivot and the Russians got closer
with China selling selling a lot more of their oil
and natural gas to China selling it to India, which
came up recently in the context of the tariff negotiations
with Donald Trump, where he was saying, you guys got
that stuff off buying the Russian oil, or you're gonna
(02:58):
get hit with some crazy high tariffs. North Korea moved closer,
but really North Korea is just an appendage geographically and
politically of China, so that's not surprising. North Korea was
closer into the Russian orbit than at any time previously.
But Clay, the real part of it is, and I
think what lays it out more clearly than any other aspect,
(03:19):
the Europeans continue to buy the stuff. The Europeans haven't
entirely weaned themselves off of.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This, and so.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
How can you have a sanctions regime with so many
holes in it? And that's why the Russian economy, that's
why the Russian economy hasn't been brought to its knees
at all. It's been a hit. I'm not saying there aren't.
You know, they've I think they've lost McDonald's and Starbucks
and stuff. But if you if Europe relies still on
(03:51):
some degree of Russian oil, which they do, how are
you going to say you have a successful sanctions regime
A regime I mean, Russia's sheriff.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Petroleum to the EU has fallen, but they're still buying
some of it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I mean, just to note this, and other countries have
picked up a huge part of the of the of
the excess, because why not. They just want to get
the oil there. They don't care about this conflict.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This the caller's question. I think this goes to the
essence of this to such an extent. And let me
give credit. Friday night, Sean Hannity did a great sit
down with Trump from Anchorage, and Trump actually hit on this.
He said, one of the big issues with the Ukraine
(04:39):
invasion of Russia and the isolation of Russia. Russia was
we actually pushed Russia and China together as as as
as compatriots in some way. And I think this is
so important, and we talked about it some on Friday,
and I believe Thursday as well. So Russia we cut off.
(05:01):
That's the idea, right, We're gonna say, oh, these sanctions
are going to be massively important. We are going to
shut Russia down and isolate them from the rest of
the world. Really, it's just kind of a shell game
because what happened was Russia still selling their oil and gas.
Instead of primarily selling it to Europe, they sell it
(05:23):
to India and then India can reroute it all over
the world. Right, so we're really just allowing India. So
the tariff for fifty percent effectively that Trump put on
India was a whoa moment. What Trump has not done
yet is actually hold China accountable for buying so much
(05:47):
Russian oil and gas. And I think the India move
was a warning shot at China and Russia that that
next level of sanction might be coming. And so this
is this whole idea that we were going to end
Western relationship with Russia and it would bring their economy
(06:09):
to its knees. Didn't work, It just didn't work. Now
inflation is way too high in Russia. They are having
to take less than the market value overall would be
for their oil and gas if they were selling it
freely on the global marketplace. But by and large, India's
paying a little bit of a discount. They then are
marking it up, selling it elsewhere and making a good
(06:30):
profit in the process. And so this is what the
one of these things that is so interesting here is
we thought we had the economic pight a might to
keep Russia from continuing this war, and that worked.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And now yeah, like one of one of the ironies
of this. First of all, for anyone who was wondering,
just give you some of the numbers. Europe's reliance on
Russian gas I think is now ninety but they're still
doing billions and billions of dollars. The EU is still
buying billions of dollars of Russian oil. That's what you
need to know that that is still happening. And the
(07:09):
value of all Russian natural gas imports from Russia. So
Russian exports of natural gas has increased by dollar figure
over the last four years, clay because of shortages. It
turns out when you have price increases because of changes
(07:32):
in supply and demand, they can't get as much out,
but what they're getting out costs more. Because countries are
still reliant on this stuff, you do not have a
modern economy. You cannot function, you cannot feed yourself as
a nation without oil and natural gas. So the idea
that we were going to box Russia into a corner
(07:52):
with this was, yeah, there's pressure. Yes, the EU has
has gotten as doing less than it was, and substantially
less on the oil side, but there's still ten percent
of what they were. But Russia is not hurting anywhere
near the way that we were told that they would.
And I think that's just indicative of the people in
(08:12):
charge either overestimate their own strength or just don't really
have an understanding of how the global economy really functions.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Zelenski reportedly pulling up right now will update you on
how that greeting goes. Here's the stat by the way
that I wanted to hit that I think is indicative
of this, And I'm reading from the New York Times,
which I think actually has covered this very well. India
before the Ukraine invasion, one percent of its oil and
(08:40):
gas came from Russia. India after the invasion of Ukraine,
now thirty three percent of its oil and gas comes
And here's a good paragraph on this buck Quietly. It
says this has pleased everybody because while they're barring Russian
(09:01):
oil and gas in many countries, they are re routing
Russian crude. Europe then buys the oil and gas from India.
So it's just India has become a middleman, makes a
couple of dollars profit, and then it goes right back
to Europe. So it's still it's like it's a shell game.
(09:21):
Everybody's pretending, oh, we really did something, and really India
just makes a couple of bucks and uh, and is
the middleman to then route the Russian oil back to Europe.
Think about that.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's even more cynical than what what most of us
would think is possible. I think under these circumstances, oil
is a It is a commodity, as I said, that
all these countries need, and where the oil comes from
at some level is fungible. It's a true global market.
So someone was someone's gonna buy it. You're never gonna
(09:53):
have a situation where the Russians are like, hey, we
got all this oil, anyone want it. Everyone goes no,
we won't take oil at a dramatically reduced price point
from the Russians because we care so much about who's
in charge of Donetsk.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That's just not the way the world works. Zolensky arrives on. Yeah,
what is he wearing? I'm not great, we all know it.
Any kind of clothes he does seem to be much
better dressed. He's not in his olive green fatigue looking thing.
He's in an I believe it's an all black outfit. Uh.
(10:27):
And it looks a little bit like a It's not
quite a suit, but it is much closer to a suit.
What would you call this? Are we talking about nehru
collar here? What? What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What's not suit? Well, it's not a suit jacket, but
it's like, what would you call this? Alley? I mean,
it looks a little bit euro to me? What would
you call this? It looked like a suit jacket to me?
It was really dark.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I was having her time telling but there was
no time but shirt collar, I.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Think that's I think that's it. I mean, that's it.
It's that's that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He's not wearing a tie, which I'm not gonna hit
him on because I think ties are dumb. And except
the bump, Where's outfit analysis here would be this is
a grown man's outfit.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is this is very euro you know you could
That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, yeah, he's very eurotastic with it, But no, this
is a I think this is this is respectful. It's
a suit jack in and a button down shirt. This
is not you know, what you wear to the gym
to get your uh, you know, to whale on your
peck muscles or something.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I think this is fair. I don't even feel comfortable
because I have been like, every time I wear an
outfit anywhere I get, I get criticized for being inappropriate.
So I'm just gonna start wearing full tuxedos to any event,
be way over dressed for everything. But to me, it
does look like he's better dressed. To the extent that
this is a I think.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That picking us apart is would be people are looking
for something to attack Zelenski for. If he had showed
up in a T shirt and fatigue pants or something.
I'd be saying, come on, show respect to the White House.
Under the strict situation this is. It's not it's one thing.
It's almost like if he's wearing a tie but you
don't like the color. Well, he's wearing a tie. Okay,
you know, like you have to.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
We can't.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
We're not actually the fashion police here. It's just about
respect for the White House, for Trump, and for the
Ukrainian people honestly as their representative. And I think he's personally,
I think he's crossed that bar. Even though if you
or I wore what he is wearing anywhere, we would
be mocked. But we get mocked for everything, but I
get mocked for the tennis shoes that I wear, their
New Balance.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I didn't know New Balance was so offensive to people.
As soon as he got out. I'm looking at the
video right now. This has just been posted by Margo
Martin one minute ago. Trump basically says you look great
and points to the jacket and the shirt. So so
there we go. So there he's well attired. He's well attired.
He passes the attire test.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
All right, let's not get too crazy, about this, and
now we can focus on the business of what's going
on here, which is figuring out for me Clay the
terror satorial concession's part. You can see a way through that.
The here's a very imprecise analogy. One of the things
that always destroyed any negotiations for Israel Palestine, you know,
(13:15):
finals final sort of end state program, was the right
of return. So so like Ora Fat would be like, well, yeah,
but we also have to bring back all the palate
and it's like, well, that's that's a deal killer.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And so the right of return was just always something
that they would use to avoid actually signing a deal.
The security guarantee part of this is very tricky. Yes,
I think that's trickier than the land part of this,
because that's lines on a map. You can figure it out.
You can come to a painful but reasonable end to it.
What is a security guarantee without the US saying we
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will militarily punish Russia if they do if they continue
the war after they say they've stopped it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's the part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't have a clear answer yet, but that's why
Trump's meeting with them and that's what the discussion is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And that's why I think the Korea example is there's
still no peace in Korea, but then nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Three, But Clay, we have our troops are in Korea.
You actually have some of them lootening right now. I know,
I've seen it on our maps. We get we get
downloads in South Korea, not in North Korea, but in
South Korea. We get downloads for this show. So hey,
thank you guys for your service. Guys and gals over there.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But generationally, to your point, we have had people there,
and I think that's going to be one of the questions.
Do we have a base, do we have rotating this
is the thing? And then yeah, and then is it
a backdoor Article five situation? In some way?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
If North Korea kills thousands of American soldiers in an
initial salvo, opening up artillery and missile strikes on South Korea,
we're at war with North Korea. There No, there's no
way around that. Right, It's a trip wire. Are we
going to set up something like that in Ukraine? That's
a big that's a big if. All right, Well, we'll
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Speaker 5 (16:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Zolensky has been asked and we're going to play some
of this audio for you. As Zolensky and Trump taking
questions from the media, Zolensky just said, we need to
find diplomatic ways to end this war. We are ready
for a trilateral meeting. Again, I am reporting based on
news coming through. We are going this is happening in
(16:35):
real time. That is a major statement because there has
been hope inside of the White House that potentially by Friday,
we could have a trilateral meeting with Trump as the
mediator Putin and Zolensky. For Zolensky to be saying that
off the top, buck Uh suggests that they are working
towards Uh, maybe this trilateral meeting sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, I think that it's distinctly possible that this could
move faster than some of us were anticipating even a
few days ago, which would be which would be amazing.
I mean, I really believe that this is a moment
where you're seeing I don't care what someone thinks of Trump,
they should be rooting for success here.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Hey man, If.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Someone cannot root for success in this, it means that
they are so suffering from Trump's arrangement syndrome that they
would rather go to sleep at night with a in
their mind, a Trump failure, then go to sleep at
night knowing that there'll be fewer Ukrainian and Russian young
men getting their arms blown off by these drones and
by artillery rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Trump just said, we want to get this ended. We
wanted to end good for everybody that people have Ukraine
have suffered incredibly. Again, we will set all of this
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White House. Trump sitting down with Zelenski. Let's join them
live right now, play.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
It any other But all of these deals I made
without even the mention.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Of the words cease fire. President.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Decision to offer Ukraine are five like security haartees, but stop.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Short of pushing for their full memership. Yeah, well, we
haven't done anything on that yet.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
If you look back and you go back long before
President Putin, it was always a statement that they would
never allow Ukraine in today. So that was a statement
that was made. But we haven't discussed any of that yet.
We're going to be discussing it today. But we will
give them very good protection, very good security, and that's
part of it. And the people that are waiting for us,
they are I think they're very like minded.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
They want to they want to help out all.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, President United States.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
President.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
The United States has already given hundreds of billions of
dollars to this war effort in Ukraine had it is
a stalemate and the killing continues. So President Trump, how
much more is the United States willing to give Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And President Zelenski, how much more do you want?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well, I'll start up just by saying we're not giving anything,
that we're selling weapons.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
This is something before.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I guess the number is well over three hundred billion dollars.
I was under Joe Biden, a corrupt politician, not a
smart man.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Never was, by the way, go back forty years.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
He was not a smart man forty years ago either,
But now he's in particular bed. This was done by
a corrupt administration that shouldn't have been in And frankly,
if the right results of the election were given, if
I were president, this war would have never taken place.
And he would have been very happy because he would
have liked to have seen. I mean they went through hell.
(20:51):
He went through hell. This war would have never happened.
And the people that were killed, a couple of million people,
a lot of people with soldiers and everything else, and
the people that have been displaced and forcing the other
areas in other countries because of what's happened. None of
that would have happened. And I'm just saying that it
was a horrible president. Whether it was the borders or this,
(21:14):
it was.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Just a horrible corrupt president. If you want to understand,
I can thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
So first of all, we have fsability now to buy
weapon from the United States, who are thankful for this
program and this opportunity.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
We're thankful for.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Your would they pay for this and through need a
program for tron theatoral and et cetera.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
We have some programs where.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
We can have some money to finance this and this apart,
I think it's not a part for the war and
to defend us. It's also will be a part for
security guarantees, to strengthscen our army, to rearm Ukrainian army.
This is very important and it depends how much money
(21:58):
we need to rearm. For Apple, the Christional for air defense.
We spoke about it with President Trump, and I'm happy
that we have now malateral decisions and we work on
it with production of American product. Nobody in Europe has
so many UH air defense like pat thrills, for example.
We need it very much, and this is also about defending.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
You.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
I think the good is we make the best military
equipment in the world by far.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
You mentioned the Patriots. How good are systems. We have systems.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
They're literally a hundred percent foolproof, and it's really like
shooting two bullets, you.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Know, two bullets hitting each other in the air.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
In a space like this, a chance is one hundred percent.
It's ninety nine hundred percent. So we sell the equipment to.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
NATO, and NATO does what. I don't know what the
arrangement is that you.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Have with but I know that they want you to
have the equipment, and we're getting the best equipment in
the world, but they pay us for the equipment. Under Biden,
it was just crazy what was going on. I believe
that number is over three hundred I think it could
be three hundred and fifty billion dollars worth of equipment
and money and everything else.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
And we've made more.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Progress in settling this war in the last two months
that they made in four years. They should have been
settled a long time ago, but it should have never happened.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, you pushed out on social media.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
If I go first, you pushed out on social media
about doing away with mail in ballots and potentially electronic
voting machines.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Can you explain on that help port Well, that's a
very off topic.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Just really quickly. Mail in ballots are corrupt. Mail in ballots.
You can never have a real democracy with mail in ballots,
and we as a Republican party, are going to do
everything possible that we get rid of mail in balots.
We're going to start with an executive order that's being
written right now by the best lawyers in the country
(23:54):
to end mail in ballots because they're corrupt. And you
know that we're the only country in the world I
believe I may be wrong, but just about the only
country in the world that uses it because of what's happened,
massive fraud all over the place.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
The other thing, we want change of the machines.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
For all of the money they spend, it's approximately ten
times more expensive than paper ballots, and paper ballots are
very sophisticated with the watermark paper and everything else, we
would get secure elections.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
We'd get much faster results.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
The machines, I mean, they say we're going to have
the results in two weeks.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
With paper ballots, you have the results that night.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Most people almost but most people many countries use paper ballots.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
It's the most secure form.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
So between paper ballots, very very important paper ballots, and
I think maybe even more important the mail in voting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
We're going to end mail in voting. It's a fraud
if you have mail.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Even Jimmy Carter with this commission, they set it up.
He said, the one thing about mail in voting, you
will never have an honest election off you have mail
in it. And it's time that the Republicans get tough
and stop it.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Because the Democrats want it.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
It's the only way they can get elected because with
men and women's sports, and with transgender for everybody, and
open borders and.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
All of the horrible things. And now the new thing
is they love crime.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
They're fighting me on the fact that I've made Washington,
DC safe. We're not going to get mugged, beaten up,
or killed like all the people you've been watching get
so badly hurt. I'm glad. I hate to take your
time with this, but I'm glad you.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Asked me that question.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Sir.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
We're going to stop mail in ballots because it's corrupt.
You know, when you go to a voting booth and
you do it the right way, and you go to
a state that runs it properly, you go in.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
They even ask me. They asked me for my license
plate for identify. I said, I don't know if I
have it. He said, sir, you have to have it.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
They're very impressed, actually, but it's very hard to cheat
with mail in voting.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
As you know what happens in California.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
It's so corrupt where some people get five, six, seven.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Ballots delivered to them. Now, we got to stop mail
in voting, and the Republicans have to lead the charge.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
The Democrats wanted because they have horrible policy. If you
have mail in voting, you're not gonna have many Democrats
get elected. That's bigger than anything having to do with redistricting,
believe me. And the Republicans have to get smart. We're
not going to have a country. I said for a
long time at rallies. You need borders and you need
free and fair elections.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Those two things otherwise you don't have.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
We have strong borders now in ninety days, mister president,
we didn't have one zero zero. In three months, not
one person came in illegally into our country.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
In fact, even I find that hard to believe. But
it's run by a little bit of a liberal group
that put out the numbers.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
So I guess it's zero, zero and zero.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
You go back a year ago.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Two years ago, three millions of people poured into our
country was terrible, Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Guarantees do you need from President Trump to be able
to make a deals in American troops?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Intelligent equipment? What is it? Everything? Really?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's it includes two part First strong Ukrainian army that
I began to discuss with your colleagues, and it's a
lot about the weapon and then people and training issues
and intelligence and second will we will discuss with our
own partners. It depends on the big countries, on the
(27:36):
United States, on a lot of our.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Friends Americas to that NATO like protection in order to.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Get President Zelenski to a drill today.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, I don't know if you divided that way, but
NATO like I mean, we're going to give we have
people waiting in.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Another room right now.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
They're all here from Europe, biggest people in Europe, and
they want to give protection.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
They feel very strong about it and will help them
out with it. I think it's very important. I think
it's I think it's very important to get to deal.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You'll be involved with the task keeping in Ukraine since,
of course the administration.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
What would you say to the Ukrainian people right now
who are suffering under the Russian.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
A ducks and hoping that the people will stands out?
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Well?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I know Ukrainian people. I've known many over the years.
They're great people. They're smart, they're energetic, they love their country.
I mean, they love their country and we want to
get this war ended. That's all I can do. I
love the Ukrainian people, but I love all people. I
love the Russian people, I love them all.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I want to get the worst stopped any aspect of
your discussion.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, so I think we can jump in there
just I mean that that's question I think was.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
From Francesca Chambers.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I think I couldn't really see, but those last couple
of questions, Buck, I think go to the crux of
the issue. In fact, if I were in the White House,
I would have just cut it out right there on
that Trump answer, because I think it's a good one.
He's trying to bring peace. He's not trying to pick
sides that stuff. We know, the stuff about what does
(29:17):
a security guarantee look like? This is what I said
before Trump was talking before Trump said, as we were
discussing this last hour, Clay, it's gotta be if Russia
breaks this new agreement, we're gonna help blow up bad
guy Russians. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, that's kind of where it is everyone. I mean,
this is really what the discussion is turning into.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I think to your point, we have to have basically,
I don't see any solution other than a Korea like
solution where you have a demilitarized zone where you basically
have a impenetrable line of defense and you just have
kind of this grudging agreement that there isn't going to
(29:58):
be crossing.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
The chain lenge on this buck, as you well know,
is we were talking about this off air. The drone
technology is advancing so rapidly that having a traditional line
of defense may not matter as much in the years
ahead because you can basically send drone armies right over
the top of these sort of the entrenchments.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
This is why he was talking about patriot missiles. Air
defense is now a huge component of this. In the
First World War, you really just had to worry about
artillery coming down on you from the sky. Yeah, there
was the early Air Force stuff, and even at one
point I think they were dropping hand grenades out of planes.
It was a very different thing in World War One.
But Clay, now it's going to be you're gonna have
(30:45):
these trenches because remember, you have to protect against armor,
you have to protect against missiles, you have to protect
against drones, and you have to protect against air strikes
from manned aircraft as well. So it's a complicated layered defense.
Are gonna have to have. Stopping people on the ground,
to your point, isn't enough because there's enough aerial assets
(31:07):
that the Russians can bring to bear where they'll pummel
whatever ground fortifications you have unless you have aerial defense
set up as well. So the patriot missiles, those are
for bigger the problem of patriots. They're really expensive. They
are very advanced weaponry, but they're very expensive, so you
don't want to be shooting fifty thousand dollars drones out
of the air with million dollar missiles. That's not a
(31:28):
good that's not a good plan. And industrial capacity is
playing a huge role in this. How many drones of
different types can they Russians churn out monthly? And how
many drones can the Ukrainians to take out the Russian
drones and to defend themselves against Russian attacks on their
(31:49):
front lines. And remember the Iranians, the shah Head drone
is a that's that's been a big thing in the
Russian arsenal. So they've got they've got allied countries that
are giving them industry, real output assistance.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So this thing is a mess. It is a mess.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And Trump is you can just see it in his
eyes too. He just wants all this madness to stop.
He wants this to end. And I think that he is,
by far clay the best chance we have of getting
it to end. I don't know anybody else who could
even be having this kind of a trilateral or I
should say, hopefully, what will be a trilateral sit down
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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Monday edition of the program, and it is
incredibly newsworthy. So you just heard basic President and Trump
say hey, uh, we are willing to provide some form
(34:06):
of security guarantee in conjunction with the rest of Europe
and effectively what you are talking about is NATO without
calling it NATO. Is that pretty fair to say? Buck?
What it sounds like so far? And I think let's
play cut thirty four because this, I think is the
(34:26):
most significant news from the press availability that just happened
in the Oval office. Cut thirty four. You're teams talked
about security guarantees?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Could that involved US troops? Would you ruled that out
in the future?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Will let you know that maybe later today We're meeting
with seven great leaders of great countries also and we'll
be talking about that.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
They'll all be involved. But there'll be a lot of uh,
there'll be a lot of help. When it comes to security,
there's going to be a lot of help. It's going
to be good.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
They are that first line of defense because they're there,
but we're gonna help them out.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Also we'll be.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Involved to buck. This feels to me, and you tell
me where I'm missing here. But basically every NATO country
commits troops but they don't call it NATO. Is am
I crazy? Or does that feel a little bit like
what we're tiptoeing up to?
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yes, but this is also where I think Putin is
gonna be really prickly and I so I don't know
if this means that there can be a deal.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's that's the old.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
This may be a red line where Putin's like, you
know what, if you guys are gonna even talk about
doing that, I'm not gonna even take the step. I'm
just gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going and see
if you're gonna call my uh you know, not to
call my bluff, but if you're gonna try to, you know,
counteract me. Let's get back into this because the security
guarantee thing also given where a lot of the Trump base,
A lot of the MAGA base has been on this issue.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
The notion of.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
US troops in any form guaranteeing Ukraine security is gonna
be complicated.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'll put it that way. We'll talk more about this here.
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