May 6, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts delve into several significant topics, starting with President Trump's major announcement from the Oval Office. Trump teases a groundbreaking announcement related to the Middle East, speculated to involve the expansion of the Abraham Accords with Saudi Arabia. This segment highlights the potential geopolitical impact and economic benefits of such a deal, including a possible trillion-dollar investment from Saudi Arabia into the U.S.
The discussion then shifts to the Trump administration's economic policies, particularly the tariffs and their long-term effects. Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent provide insights into the positive outcomes of these policies, emphasizing job growth and investment in domestic manufacturing. The hosts compare the current administration's approach to economic management with previous administrations, noting the practical experience of Trump's team in private industry.
Clay and Buck also explore the concept of "win above replacement value" in politics, arguing that Trump's decisions significantly impact the trajectory of the U.S. compared to other potential leaders like Kamala Harris. They stress the importance of Trump's rapid and decisive actions in reshaping government operations, likening his approach to running a business.
The conversation includes a humorous segment on Trump's proposal to make Canada the 51st state, with Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney discussing the idea. While acknowledging the benefits, the hosts recognize the impracticality and national pride issues involved. They appreciate Trump's expansionist mindset and his ability to think creatively about the future of the U.S.
Additionally, the hosts cover Trump's announcement about the Houthis in Yemen, who have reportedly agreed to cease hostilities. This development is seen as a positive step towards stabilizing shipping lanes and reducing conflict in the region.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the second hour of Play and Bob. We've
got some hot off the presses, so to speak, clips
of President Trump from the Oval Office addressing some of
the most important news of the day. Let's start with
the huge announcement. Probably some people are saying the biggest
announcement of all announcements. We don't yet know much other
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than well, here's the President saying it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We'll have maybe before we want to, as you know,
the released in Saudi Arabia. We're going to Uee and Qatar,
and that'll be I guess Monday night. Some of you
are coming with us. I think before then, we're gonna
have a very very big announcement to make, like as
big as it gets.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And I won't tell you on.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
What, but it's gonna and it's very positive.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
And also I tell you if it was negative and positive.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I can't keep that. It is really really positive. And
that announcement will be made either Thursday or Friday or
Monday before we leave. But it'll be one of the
most important announcements that have been made in many years
about a certain subject, very important subject. So you'll all
be here.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
I'm guessing it's got to be the Abraham Accords with
Saudi Arabia coming on board.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, does that make sense. That makes the most sense
to me too. I don't think it's a breakthrough with Iran.
We would have gotten some whispers about that beforehand. And
plus I just don't think Iron's ever going to say,
you know what, We're not gonna get nukes. So I
think that Saudi. It might be in agreement with Saudi
that is an extension of the Abraham Accords and also
a commitment from Saudi to invest you know, a trillion
(01:40):
dollars in the US over the next twenty years or something,
I don't know whatever, trillion dollars a lot of money,
not so much to Saudi.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I feel like they'll pay that for a soccer team
these days.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But yeah, that's something that I think is a likely possibility.
I would love to think that it would be, you know,
returning all the hostages from israel I from a Hamas
to Israel, but I think that that is now going
into a different phase of the Israelis are doing the
final push in that operation, as they well should, and
(02:12):
that's going to change some dynamics in the Middle East too.
I also think it has to be someone that you
have good relations with in order to be confident that
that deal is going to be able to be announced.
Does that make sense? Like Iran is constantly shifting. They
may say something on Wednesday that's different than what they
said on Monday. You can't really rely on him Hamas
(02:36):
you can't rely on anything related to what they might
say publicly. So I think it would have to be
someone that the government would have a good relationship with
that you could rely on being reasonable. I don't think
you could say, for instance, with Vladimir Putin and Russia,
that you feel comfortable enough in them to even forecast
(02:57):
something like this. So that's why I think the idea
of the Abraham Accords being expanded, which is hugely.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Important long range in the Middle East. By the way,
this is something that is significant that I saw. Also,
there's a report that Trump, I don't know if we
if he said this or if this is an official
report that India has basically agreed to zero tariffs on
American products inside of their country. That could be utterly
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transformative in the decades ahead, because India is now the
biggest country in the world, and unlike China, which is
collapsing in population and I think has already peaked. I
think India is going to become the second biggest economy
in the world in the next fifty years.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And this, then, I think, is a good moment for
us to take a look at what is being said
now from some very infant, very astute places about the
Trump tariffs conversation. Glenn Youngkin one of the I would
say top five, maybe top ten, top five governors in
(04:08):
America right now in Virginia doing a great job and
also a former very senior level executive, and he was
the CEO of the Carlisle Group, which is one of
the largest private equity firms in the world. This is
the governor of Virginia, and like I said, a guy
who also understands private industry saying that, well, I'll let
(04:29):
you hear it from him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
This has cut three.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
I expect that long term we will have an accelerated
growth and I'm very optimistic. I think in the near term,
as the President resets these imbalanced trade relationships and restores
fiscal responsibility into Washington, we're going to see this location.
It's just a reality. But what I do firmly expect
is investment from companies around the world to accelerate.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I expect job growth to accelerate.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think you're already beginning to see some of that.
The jobs numbers. This is Scott Bessen. This has cut
one in the first one hundred days. You need to
hear about these jobs. Remember, it's not all government, you know,
make believe jobs, or at least low show jobs. It's
jobs in the actual economy. This is from the Treasury
Secretary Play One.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
The core components of the Trump economic agenda are trade,
tax cuts, and deregulation. These are not standalone policies. They
are interlocking parts of an engine designed to drive economic
growth and domestic manufacturing. Tax Cuts and cost savings from
deregulation raised real incomes for families and businesses. Terrrifts create
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an incentive for reshoring jobs and fair trade, and deregulation
complements teriffs by making it easier to invest in energy
and manufacturing projects. Already, this agenda is bearing fruit. In
the first hundred days the new administration, four hundred and
sixty four thousand new jobs were added to the economy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That people just need to give this some time, And
I think what you're seeing here is First of all,
I just fifteen years in conservative media. All in the
beginning of this, when I got into this, we would
always hear we need private industry minds in government. We
need people who understand how jobs are created in the economy,
(06:25):
not by siphoning money from taxpayers to people who don't
actually necessarily do anything or add anything with some of
these government with some of this government bloat.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
We have this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now in a way we not only on the advisors,
but Trump himself, right, somebody who understands the private sector.
You look at even Scott Bessant, you compare him to
Biden's Treasury secretary Janet Yellen. Yellen is an academic economist. Okay,
that's who is running the Treasury before. Bessant is a
(06:58):
guy who had to place multi billion dollar bets and
be right about the trajectory of economic growth, about what
was actually going to happen in the global economy. We
have doors and practitioners now, Clay, not theorists and faculty
lounge layabouts.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, and again, I think that's why you know, the
caller from San Diego is fired up. I think people
sometimes have unrealistic expectations of what is capable of doing
with the ship of state. And I've had this analogy
made to me a lot over the years. You know,
(07:38):
in the world of sports, the smaller the team, the
quicker you can adjust the direction. So if you're a
basketball coach, it's like a speedboat. You can change a
couple of players. You can turn it around football teams
like an aircraft carrier. The United States is the largest
floatable ship on the planet. It's very hard to turn
(08:01):
it in any particular direction. Now, sometimes that can be
good because if people make really poor choices, then the
degree to which they can shift the direction of the
country is limited. But you've made the argument for years here,
and it's a pessimistic one, but I think there's some
truth to it that the president doesn't largely matter because
(08:21):
the apparatus surrounding the president is such that they're going
to direct the ship in the way they see best.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And you made that are Biden was a test of
my theory.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, right, Biden was a real world experiment of is
it the machinery and not the man? With Trump, That's
obviously not the case, but I'm just saying it can
be what we just saw.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, and this is why I think Elon Musk has
been so frustrated. And look, I love that Elon Musk
and Scott Bessant and Howard Ludnick and all of these
guys that are super successful outside of government are in
government trying to do their best. Trump is a great
example of that too, but in sports, and I've never
(09:06):
seen it applied in politics, but I love the concept,
and it's such an interesting one. There's something called win
over replacement value, and I think you can apply it
to all of your life. It's such an interesting concept.
You know, there's basically a war, you know, win above
replacement for every player. And I mentioned Aaron Judge is
(09:26):
the best player in baseball right now statistically across the board.
His stats a New York Yankee player are off the charts.
He has worth multiple wins compared to someone that might
be replacing him at a position. I think you can
apply it to politics. How much better is Trump not
only than any other Republican but than Kamala? I think
(09:48):
massively right because over every day, every decision, the trajectory
of the USS aircraft carrier is very different based on
the judgments Trump is making versus what Kama is making
versus what Biden did. But within the constraints, I would
argue that it is impossible for any president to move
(10:11):
faster and break more things than Trump has done in
the first hundred days. And therefore, when you call in
and say, and I understand people get frustrated, But I
think it's important to understand the larger construct. There are
people out there who will tell you, oh, the president
can do whatever he wants, and he can take forty
eight thousand different actions, and the reality is Trump is
(10:36):
moving faster and breaking more things than anything I have
ever seen from any president in the history of our country.
And if you are out there saying he needs to
move faster and he needs to break more things, I
respect it. I would just point out that historically, no
one has moved at the pace that Trump has ever
(10:57):
in the history of the United States government. I really
think that's true. And they're trying to make government move
more like a business. And if you have ever run
a business, one of the great things about sitting at
the head of the table, if you own the businesses,
for better or worse, you make a decision and buck
One of the management lessons that I think I've learned
is it's better to make a wrong decision than not
(11:18):
do anything. And some people think that's crazy, but actually
it's important because it's a wrong decision.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
One of the things that at the CIA farm, this
is our training facility, that they would always talk about
in the context of counter ambush, somebody's trying to take
you out. They would just and I know this military
talks about this too, but they would say get off
the X and they would. They drilled into our brain
(11:47):
when you are under threat, the worst thing you can
do freeze is nothing. The worst thing you can do
is I don't want to make the wrong decision, so
I make no decision yes and pay with your life
or that one. There, there's a broader lesson, there's a
broader principle there. You got to just do sometimes because
(12:07):
sitting around and especially given the time constraints, I think
the Trump administration is under with the midterms. As we've
discussed that moving as fast as possible, Moving as fast
as possible is its own advantage in a system which
we've already seen for all of our adult for all
of our lives, that can always fall back on inaction
(12:30):
as its preferred plan, and the Democrats were hoping that
there would be inertia even with.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Trump coming in.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The inertia of government would be a protection for what
they want, which is the status quo. Yes, no, he's
smashing that by moving so fast in so many places.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And I would argue again, this is me being a
history nerd.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Probably the person who's moved the government the fastest in
the lives of anyone out there that is listening to
us right now, certainly the adults of anyone that's listening
is Lyndon Johnson. And Lindon Johnson was able to move
the government so rapidly in his one term after one
term plus change when he took over for JFK, because
(13:12):
he was a genius of Senate procedure, and so he
was able to move Congress at a speed in the
Senate in particular that it had never moved at before,
because he knew the inner workings of procedure in the Senate,
having spent time there better than almost anyone. A corrolary
to that was Charlie Wilson's war where I for doc
(13:32):
whatever his name is, I forget now. But the member
of Congress who was like on the you know, the Finance,
the Spending Committee, whatever it was at the time, And
Charlie Wilson knew, if I just got this guy in
my pocket, I got whoever I need in my pocket
to get the things through that I need to get through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So understanding that system is critical. Trump has come in
not just with the right team to decide, but with
people like Steven Miller and others who know how the
system functions. And this is part of what I think
Clay has been. Democrats so insane because first time around
Trump great ideas first term, not an understanding of the system.
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Sexton show. We mentioned Trump in the Oval office and
we have some cuts on that. I believe this is
(15:41):
pretty funny. Let's play. Let's see here we mentioned the
Yeah the Canada. I'm just trying to do the math
on whether or not we'll have time. Let's do Canada
at the bottom of the hour, because that's actually very funny.
This is Trump saying. Now the Hooties are somewhat denying
that this is true. But Trump says, the Hootie after
he has gone to war with them, basically wiping out
(16:04):
much of their resources, have now said they don't want
to fight and they're going to stop the bombings. This
was just a few moments ago in the Oval Office,
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We had some very good news last night. The uties
have announced that they are not or they've announced to
us at least, that they.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Don't want to fight anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They just don't want to fight, and we will honor that,
and we.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Will we will stop the bombings, and they have capitulated.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But more importantly, we will take their word. They say
they will not be blowing up ships anymore, and that's
what the purpose of what we were doing. So that's
just news. We just found out about that.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So I think that's very very positive. They were knocking
out a lot of ships going, as you know, sailing
beautifully down the various seas.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It wasn't just the canal, it was a lot of
other places.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I will accept their word and we are going
to stop the bombing of the Huti's effective immediately.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
There are reports from a UTI spokesperson that says that
he did not say that. I don't know who the
hooty spokesperson is or whether they're just.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
As fun is it to sit down over over some
some tea or some some cot with the who the spokesperson?
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
But I would think that Trump's pretty confident about this,
and I don't like the Houti's chances in a longgoing
battle between the United States over superiority when it comes
to shipping lanes and everys. Just remember they're effectively a
proxy militia for Irani and Shia interest in the Middle East. Now,
so when we say Huthi, just remember it's a little
bit like the Hesbal law Iran relationship. It's there are
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by Paradigm Press. Canada just had a very disappointing election
from the perspective of freedom, liberty, common sense. Pierre Pauliev,
(19:02):
he of apple eating and indifference to media fame, did
not succeed in his effort to become the PM of Canada.
I'm going to put this out some of our Canadian listeners,
what the heck happened there? Guys, you're hearing us up
because you know, some of our big New York stations
play stretched, you know, well into Canada. Probably some of
our Michigan stations. I would assume too. I got to
(19:26):
check the wattage, but yeah, I think that they can
be heard where the Canadian population is. We got Canadian
listeners for sure, some of them streaming what happened there. Well,
here is Trump with the new Prime Minister of Canada,
Mark Carney, I'd never heard of until this, talking about
this play.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It takes two to tango, right, But no, I do.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I mean, I believe there.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens.
You get free military, you get tremendous medical cares and
other things. There would be a lot of advance, but
it would be it would be a massive tax cut.
And it's also a beautiful you know, as a real
estate developer, you know, I'm a real estate developer at heart.
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When you get rid of that artificially drawn line. Somebody
drew that line many years ago with like a ruler,
just a straight line right across that top of the country.
When you look at that beautiful formation when it's together.
I'm a very artistic person, but when I looked at
that beauty, I said, that's the way it was meant
to be. But you know it's I just I do
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feel it's much better for Canada. But we're not going
to be discussing that unless somebody wants to discuss it.
I think that there are tremendous benefits to the Canadian citizens,
tremendously lower taxes, free military which honestly, we give you
essentially anyway because we're protecting Canada if you have had
a problem. But I think, you know it's it would
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really be a wonderful marriage because it's it's two places.
They get along very well, they like each other a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
So then Carneybuck responded, and I think we have Carney's response.
So Trump still pushing and I love it. He just
everybody wants to say, like, what is Trump. Trump's a
real estate guy at his core, he's a real estate guy,
and he's looking at Greenland, and he's looking at Panama,
and he's looking at Canada. And the truth of the
(21:20):
matter is some of the most successful presidents that we've
ever had basically have been real estate guys. Thomas Jefferson
Louisiana purchase, kind of a good deal, Gadsden purchase, Seward's folly.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
When George Washington was a real estate guy and a landlord,
in fact.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
A speculator, some would argue that nearly went bankrupt in
many different times over the amount of land that he
was acquiring back to the day most of the founding
fathers big agrarian land related guys. But then Carney responded,
and I actually liked his response, and you can hear
Trump laugh because I think Trump kind of respects it
a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Listen, as you.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Know from real estate, there are some places that are
never for sale. We're sitting in one right now, you know,
bucking and Pallace that you visited as well, and having
met with the owners of Canada over the course of
the campaign last several months, it's not for sale, won't
be for sale ever. But the opportunity is in the
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partnership and what we can build together, and we have
done in the past. And part of that, as the
President just said, is with respect to our own security,
and my government is committed for a step change in
our investment in Canadian security and our partnership. And I'll
say this as well, that the president has revitalized international security,
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revitalized NATAL and US playing our full weight in NATO,
and that will be parts.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think Trump buck is one hundred percent right that
the world would actually be better off. And look, if
Canada was a part of the United States, I think
he's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Here's the problem. It's not going to happen. One two.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
If it did happen, the devil are in the details.
Most of those voters would be far left wing voters.
So you would actually have to instead of making Canada
fifty first state, you would have to in some way
create some of the rural Canadian areas to give them
an opportunity so that we could have senators who were
not insane. It would if Canada were a part of
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the United States. And not very many people have talked
about this, Kamala might well have won the presidency because
you're bringing in thirty five million ish new voters, and
that new voter registry is about two to one Democrat
in America over Republican. So look, Trump's right, they would
get a huge tax cut. I think the overall economy
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would be better for both countries if Canada were a
part of the United States. I think that's all true.
It's not going to happen, and and the reality here
is if it were going to happen, the details in
terms of what it would be necessary to occur are substantial.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
What I like about.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
It is it goes to the growth mindset of Trump.
He's not looking at the United States as a finished product.
I bought a map recently and I'm going to put
it in the new house that we're building. It's what
I love about it is it's one of those old
school maps. Buck Do you remember when used to be
able to pull down the map and the teacher would
pull out a ruler or whatever and they would point
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to it and it would be this before everybody had
the camp had the computers to be able to put
everything imaged out there. And it's a map from like
eighteen forty and it has the continental United States, and
most of the United States is not filled in yet
we didn't know what the future of the country was
going to look like. And I love the ambition, the scope,
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the metaphor of that unfilled map. And I think that
is how Trump thinks that the United States is not
a fixed and permanent, an already fully formed country, that
we still have a lot of growth, and I think
that is what his expansionist mindset represents, whether it's Greenland,
whether it's Canada, whether it's Panama, and making us think
in different ways. But that to me is the challenge
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of Canada. I'm not sure even if it's a great idea,
and I do think it would be good for the
economy overall, that the Canadian voters would actually agree with
much of what we think is important in the United
States right now. But if it's not going to happen,
and I agree with you that it's not gonna happen,
why does Trump know that it's not gonna happen? Because
(25:36):
why this is? This is where it's a great question.
I think Trump is a bit of a magical thinker.
This is my psychoanalysis of Trump. And what I mean
by that is, anytime you build something that hasn't been
built before, you have to be a creative, magical thinker.
Real estate developers have to see things that haven't occurred
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and believe that they are possible. I think in Trump's mind,
he believes that anything can be negotiated, and so even
if there's a small chance of it happening, he thinks
by putting it out into the larger discussion, he actually
makes it somewhat possible.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
In the same way, if you say, hey.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
I'm going to build a two hundred story building, Well
maybe that's not going to end up happening, but the
idea that you think you can expands the Overton window
of possibility.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Clay thinks that Trump is a man who dreams great dreams,
the greatest dreams. We got to call her Dave in Maine.
He says he lives right near the Canadian border. Wants
to weigh in on this Canada stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What's going on, Dave, my gentlemen.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Yeah, so my family is from Canada, back and forth.
I we live right handy to it. My wife used
to grocery shop there every week. Grew up playing hockey
with Canadian kids. My daughter works for a Canadian company,
and we got a lot of friends of the Canadians.
What happened was they were ready, the people that we know,
(27:01):
we're ready.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
To go for Pierre.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
But the whole fifty first state, Yeah, thing really touched
off their national pride and we compete in another sport
and we have Canadians come over and compete with us,
and they got so peed off. They're like, we're not
coming to the US this year to compete and sorry,
you know not don't take it personal, but you know
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it's an attack on our country. I said, I he's
just messing with them anyway, but they didn't take it
that way. And I always said, too, we should have
marketed it as there's ten provinces and three territories in Canada,
so one state wasn't nearly enough to give them ten states.
Give them ten or thirteen states. But all seriousness, that
(27:45):
is really you know, that's the feedback directly from my
best friend lives no Scotiare. And you know another thing
too about is their news is just horrendous. Like I'm
always having to re you know, tell them these listen
to what's the falla their rebel news, you know, try
to get some all termedive new sources, because their regular
(28:06):
news they get is just.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, you think, I mean, it's communist drivel.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I know that because I used to I used to
do some news back in the day, which I think
became rebel news or ezra levant. You know, very early
in my career, I actually appeared on Canadian TV when
I needed more TV reps. Clay, I was like, Hey,
how are my Canadian brothers and sisters doing that?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Really, that's where you were honing the skills. Buck is
huge in Saskatchewan.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
You have no idea, I uh, you know, it's thank
you for the call. By the way, I do think
to answer your question that the fifty first state talk
inside of Canada ignited national pride and it lit on
fire the hopes of conservative governments because they were seen
as closer to Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I'm also going to say this, it reminds me of
somebody that I know, somebody I spent a lot of
time with you today.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't know if he needs to be named here.
But when you tell Trump not to talk about something,
or that he can't talk about something, guess what is
going to happen. And there are a lot of people
who said stop with the fifty first state talk. Yeah, Clay,
So how somebody.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Could be I don't know how somebody could be that way.
I also think this ties in. Trump also sees this
as entertainment. I'm gonna be honest with you, and I
know some people were offended by the Pope Trump as
Pope meme that got shared. I thought it was really funny,
and I'm not Catholic, so I can't speak on behalf
of the Catholic universe about.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Trump spoke to this. Let's hear his because, by the way,
I am Catholic. I went to Jesuit school and did
all this stuff, and you know know some of the
things I did not. I was not even vaguely offended
by this. Okay, this is there are things that appear
about Catholicism or the way that it's depicted, and the
way the media and the focus on certain things is offensive.
(29:53):
I agree with Trump on this one one hundred percent.
But here he is play clut five.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
We're not so happy about the of you looking like
the Pope.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You mean they can't take a joke.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
You don't mean the Catholics, he mean the fake news media,
not the.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Catholics loved it. I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Somebody made up a picture of me dressed.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Like the Pope and they put it out on the internet.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's not me. That did it. I have no idea
where it came from.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Maybe it was Ai, but I know nothing about it.
I just saw it last evening. Actually my wife thought
it was cute. She said, this is that nice question
about Actually I would not be able to be married,
though that would be a lot. To the best of
my knowledge, popes aren't big one getting.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Married, not that we know of now, I mean that
we know of, not that we are. Well, we talked
about this. There actually were a lot back in the
back in the day, with a lot of illegitimate kids
out there.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If you, if you study it was a really good
Renaissance art that came out of those naughty popes. So
just putting it out there.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And uh, but so I thought that was funny. Again,
I think you tweeted this, and I do think it's
important the fact that Trump has maintained a sense of
humor and a lightness of being with the most important job.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
In the United States. I think it's probably fair to say.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Just a few months ago he took a freaking bullet
off his ear that nearly blew his head off on
live television, the thing that doesn't get talked about at all.
And I was with him at the NCAA Wrestling Championships
on that arena floor in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Most people who come.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
That close to death, who would have an assassin's bullet
clip their ear, Most people would be pretty apprehensive walking
into big, crowded arenas. The guy is fearless, and I think,
to your point, has a lightness of bearing about him
that even though he is engaged in serious things, he
(31:56):
still has a sense of humor surrounding it. And so
I think he's putting it out into the ether, this
idea of Canada or Greenland or Panama or whatever it
might be. Because of the expansionist idea, but also the Pope thing.
I think he enjoys just having fun, or the running
for a third ternam in office, all of these things.
(32:16):
I think he enjoys expanding the universe and kind of
ridiculing the people who are most opposed to him. And
I thought the Pope picture, I saw it, you know,
like I guess when did it come out? Just before
the Kentucky Derby or something? And I thought it was
pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know a lot of Catholics, Okay, I'm related to
a lot of them too. I don't know a single
Catholic who thought that that was like blasphemous or some
big problem. All right, everyone can calm down. You know
Trump Trump like on the cross or something that would
upset people, Trumps the Pope.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I think that's funny. We come back. We'll take some
more of your calls.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
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A lot of disrespect for my swimming ability.
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I can neither confirm nor deny, but if you were
to take some chad mode, would you be able to outswim.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
A great white shark that was on your tail.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
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Speaker 6 (34:58):
Find them on the free iHeart Radio app or wherever
you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. A lot to dive into. In the third hour,
we'll be talking with Senator Ran Paul and come back.
We'll ask him about the latest on tariffs. He has
not supported President Trump's tariff perspectives. We will ask him
about the latest on the COVID investigation, as he is
(35:21):
going to be chairing part of the hearings surrounding that,
and we will find out what his overall expectations are
for the so called Big Beautiful Bill, which I believe
is on track to pass in May. And for those
of you out there that want Congress to be moving faster,
I certainly understand that. I would point out that with
(35:45):
a three or four vote margin in the House, getting
anything at all passed is a super challenge.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
So the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Is on track to pass that will codify for multiple
years the tax cuts, that will codify the border related issues,
theoretically making it harder for any Democrat who comes into
office to do what Joe Biden did. All of that underway,
scheduled to pass at some point this month. UH, and
we will discuss all of that with Senator rand Paul
(36:16):
will also take some of your calls and we'll have
some fun in the final hour of the program Tuesday
edition eight hundred and two two two eight A two
and we look forward to hanging out with all of you.
Lots of good stuff on social media. We may dive
into some of that as well, and UH. Senator ran
(36:36):
Paul next, what's the latest on the bill? And Fauci
will tell you thanks for hanging with us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Tuesday edition,
Welcome into the second hour of Play and Bob. We've
got some hot off the presses, so to speak, clips
of President Trump from the Oval Office addressing some of
the most important news of the day. Let's start with
the huge announcement. Probably some people are saying the biggest
announcement of all announcements. We don't yet know much other
(00:22):
than well, here's the President saying it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We'll have maybe before we want to, as you know,
the released in Saudi Arabia. We're going to Uee and Qatar,
and that'll be I guess Monday night. Some of you
are coming with us. I think before then, we're gonna
have a very very big announcement to make, like as
big as it gets.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And I won't tell you on.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
What, but it's gonna and it's very positive.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
And also I tell you if it was negative and positive.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I can't keep that. It is really really positive. And
that announcement will be made either Thursday or Friday or
Monday before we leave. But it'll be one of the
most important announcements that have been made in many years
about a certain subject, very important subject. So you'll all
be here.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
I'm guessing it's got to be the Abraham Accords with
Saudi Arabia coming on board.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, does that make sense. That makes the most sense
to me too. I don't think it's a breakthrough with Iran.
We would have gotten some whispers about that beforehand. And
plus I just don't think Iron's ever going to say,
you know what, We're not gonna get nukes. So I
think that Saudi. It might be in agreement with Saudi
that is an extension of the Abraham Accords and also
a commitment from Saudi to invest you know, a trillion
(01:40):
dollars in the US over the next twenty years or something,
I don't know whatever, trillion dollars a lot of money,
not so much to Saudi.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I feel like they'll pay that for a soccer team
these days.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But yeah, that's something that I think is a likely possibility.
I would love to think that it would be, you know,
returning all the hostages from israel I from a Hamas
to Israel, but I think that that is now going
into a different phase of the Israelis are doing the
final push in that operation, as they well should, and
(02:12):
that's going to change some dynamics in the Middle East too.
I also think it has to be someone that you
have good relations with in order to be confident that
that deal is going to be able to be announced.
Does that make sense? Like Iran is constantly shifting. They
may say something on Wednesday that's different than what they
said on Monday. You can't really rely on him Hamas
(02:36):
you can't rely on anything related to what they might
say publicly. So I think it would have to be
someone that the government would have a good relationship with
that you could rely on being reasonable. I don't think
you could say, for instance, with Vladimir Putin and Russia,
that you feel comfortable enough in them to even forecast
(02:57):
something like this. So that's why I think the idea
of the Abraham Accords being expanded, which is hugely.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Important long range in the Middle East. By the way,
this is something that is significant that I saw. Also,
there's a report that Trump, I don't know if we
if he said this or if this is an official
report that India has basically agreed to zero tariffs on
American products inside of their country. That could be utterly
(03:28):
transformative in the decades ahead, because India is now the
biggest country in the world, and unlike China, which is
collapsing in population and I think has already peaked. I
think India is going to become the second biggest economy
in the world in the next fifty years.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And this, then, I think, is a good moment for
us to take a look at what is being said
now from some very infant, very astute places about the
Trump tariffs conversation. Glenn Youngkin one of the I would
say top five, maybe top ten, top five governors in
(04:08):
America right now in Virginia doing a great job and
also a former very senior level executive, and he was
the CEO of the Carlisle Group, which is one of
the largest private equity firms in the world. This is
the governor of Virginia, and like I said, a guy
who also understands private industry saying that, well, I'll let
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you hear it from him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
This has cut three.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
I expect that long term we will have an accelerated
growth and I'm very optimistic. I think in the near term,
as the President resets these imbalanced trade relationships and restores
fiscal responsibility into Washington, we're going to see this location.
It's just a reality. But what I do firmly expect
is investment from companies around the world to accelerate.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I expect job growth to accelerate.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think you're already beginning to see some of that.
The jobs numbers. This is Scott Bessen. This has cut
one in the first one hundred days. You need to
hear about these jobs. Remember, it's not all government, you know,
make believe jobs, or at least low show jobs. It's
jobs in the actual economy. This is from the Treasury
Secretary Play One.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
The core components of the Trump economic agenda are trade,
tax cuts, and deregulation. These are not standalone policies. They
are interlocking parts of an engine designed to drive economic
growth and domestic manufacturing. Tax Cuts and cost savings from
deregulation raised real incomes for families and businesses. Terrrifts create
(05:38):
an incentive for reshoring jobs and fair trade, and deregulation
complements teriffs by making it easier to invest in energy
and manufacturing projects. Already, this agenda is bearing fruit. In
the first hundred days the new administration, four hundred and
sixty four thousand new jobs were added to the economy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That people just need to give this some time, And
I think what you're seeing here is First of all,
I just fifteen years in conservative media. All in the
beginning of this, when I got into this, we would
always hear we need private industry minds in government. We
need people who understand how jobs are created in the economy,
(06:25):
not by siphoning money from taxpayers to people who don't
actually necessarily do anything or add anything with some of
these government with some of this government bloat.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
We have this.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now in a way we not only on the advisors,
but Trump himself, right, somebody who understands the private sector.
You look at even Scott Bessant, you compare him to
Biden's Treasury secretary Janet Yellen. Yellen is an academic economist. Okay,
that's who is running the Treasury before. Bessant is a
(06:58):
guy who had to place multi billion dollar bets and
be right about the trajectory of economic growth, about what
was actually going to happen in the global economy. We
have doors and practitioners now, Clay, not theorists and faculty
lounge layabouts.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, and again, I think that's why you know, the
caller from San Diego is fired up. I think people
sometimes have unrealistic expectations of what is capable of doing
with the ship of state. And I've had this analogy
made to me a lot over the years. You know,
(07:38):
in the world of sports, the smaller the team, the
quicker you can adjust the direction. So if you're a
basketball coach, it's like a speedboat. You can change a
couple of players. You can turn it around football teams
like an aircraft carrier. The United States is the largest
floatable ship on the planet. It's very hard to turn
(08:01):
it in any particular direction. Now, sometimes that can be
good because if people make really poor choices, then the
degree to which they can shift the direction of the
country is limited. But you've made the argument for years here,
and it's a pessimistic one, but I think there's some
truth to it that the president doesn't largely matter because
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the apparatus surrounding the president is such that they're going
to direct the ship in the way they see best.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And you made that are Biden was a test of
my theory.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, right, Biden was a real world experiment of is
it the machinery and not the man? With Trump, That's
obviously not the case, but I'm just saying it can
be what we just saw.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, and this is why I think Elon Musk has
been so frustrated. And look, I love that Elon Musk
and Scott Bessant and Howard Ludnick and all of these
guys that are super successful outside of government are in
government trying to do their best. Trump is a great
example of that too, but in sports, and I've never
(09:06):
seen it applied in politics, but I love the concept,
and it's such an interesting one. There's something called win
over replacement value, and I think you can apply it
to all of your life. It's such an interesting concept.
You know, there's basically a war, you know, win above
replacement for every player. And I mentioned Aaron Judge is
(09:26):
the best player in baseball right now statistically across the board.
His stats a New York Yankee player are off the charts.
He has worth multiple wins compared to someone that might
be replacing him at a position. I think you can
apply it to politics. How much better is Trump not
only than any other Republican but than Kamala? I think
(09:48):
massively right because over every day, every decision, the trajectory
of the USS aircraft carrier is very different based on
the judgments Trump is making versus what Kama is making
versus what Biden did. But within the constraints, I would
argue that it is impossible for any president to move
(10:11):
faster and break more things than Trump has done in
the first hundred days. And therefore, when you call in
and say, and I understand people get frustrated, But I
think it's important to understand the larger construct. There are
people out there who will tell you, oh, the president
can do whatever he wants, and he can take forty
eight thousand different actions, and the reality is Trump is
(10:36):
moving faster and breaking more things than anything I have
ever seen from any president in the history of our country.
And if you are out there saying he needs to
move faster and he needs to break more things, I
respect it. I would just point out that historically, no
one has moved at the pace that Trump has ever
(10:57):
in the history of the United States government. I really
think that's true. And they're trying to make government move
more like a business. And if you have ever run
a business, one of the great things about sitting at
the head of the table, if you own the businesses,
for better or worse, you make a decision and buck
One of the management lessons that I think I've learned
is it's better to make a wrong decision than not
(11:18):
do anything. And some people think that's crazy, but actually
it's important because it's a wrong decision.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
One of the things that at the CIA farm, this
is our training facility, that they would always talk about
in the context of counter ambush, somebody's trying to take
you out. They would just and I know this military
talks about this too, but they would say get off
the X and they would. They drilled into our brain
(11:47):
when you are under threat, the worst thing you can
do freeze is nothing. The worst thing you can do
is I don't want to make the wrong decision, so
I make no decision yes and pay with your life
or that one. There, there's a broader lesson, there's a
broader principle there. You got to just do sometimes because
(12:07):
sitting around and especially given the time constraints, I think
the Trump administration is under with the midterms. As we've
discussed that moving as fast as possible, Moving as fast
as possible is its own advantage in a system which
we've already seen for all of our adult for all
of our lives, that can always fall back on inaction
(12:30):
as its preferred plan, and the Democrats were hoping that
there would be inertia even with.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Trump coming in.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The inertia of government would be a protection for what
they want, which is the status quo. Yes, no, he's
smashing that by moving so fast in so many places.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And I would argue again, this is me being a
history nerd.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Probably the person who's moved the government the fastest in
the lives of anyone out there that is listening to
us right now, certainly the adults of anyone that's listening
is Lyndon Johnson. And Lindon Johnson was able to move
the government so rapidly in his one term after one
term plus change when he took over for JFK, because
(13:12):
he was a genius of Senate procedure, and so he
was able to move Congress at a speed in the
Senate in particular that it had never moved at before,
because he knew the inner workings of procedure in the Senate,
having spent time there better than almost anyone. A corrolary
to that was Charlie Wilson's war where I for doc
(13:32):
whatever his name is, I forget now. But the member
of Congress who was like on the you know, the Finance,
the Spending Committee, whatever it was at the time, And
Charlie Wilson knew, if I just got this guy in
my pocket, I got whoever I need in my pocket
to get the things through that I need to get through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So understanding that system is critical. Trump has come in
not just with the right team to decide, but with
people like Steven Miller and others who know how the
system functions. And this is part of what I think
Clay has been. Democrats so insane because first time around
Trump great ideas first term, not an understanding of the system.
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Sexton show. We mentioned Trump in the Oval office and
we have some cuts on that. I believe this is
(15:41):
pretty funny. Let's play. Let's see here we mentioned the
Yeah the Canada. I'm just trying to do the math
on whether or not we'll have time. Let's do Canada
at the bottom of the hour, because that's actually very funny.
This is Trump saying. Now the Hooties are somewhat denying
that this is true. But Trump says, the Hootie after
he has gone to war with them, basically wiping out
(16:04):
much of their resources, have now said they don't want
to fight and they're going to stop the bombings. This
was just a few moments ago in the Oval Office,
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We had some very good news last night. The uties
have announced that they are not or they've announced to
us at least, that they.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Don't want to fight anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They just don't want to fight, and we will honor that,
and we.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Will we will stop the bombings, and they have capitulated.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But more importantly, we will take their word. They say
they will not be blowing up ships anymore, and that's
what the purpose of what we were doing. So that's
just news. We just found out about that.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So I think that's very very positive. They were knocking
out a lot of ships going, as you know, sailing
beautifully down the various seas.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
It wasn't just the canal, it was a lot of
other places.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I will accept their word and we are going
to stop the bombing of the Huti's effective immediately.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
There are reports from a UTI spokesperson that says that
he did not say that. I don't know who the
hooty spokesperson is or whether they're just.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
As fun is it to sit down over over some
some tea or some some cot with the who the spokesperson?
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
But I would think that Trump's pretty confident about this,
and I don't like the Houti's chances in a longgoing
battle between the United States over superiority when it comes
to shipping lanes and everys. Just remember they're effectively a
proxy militia for Irani and Shia interest in the Middle East. Now,
so when we say Huthi, just remember it's a little
bit like the Hesbal law Iran relationship. It's there are
(17:52):
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by Paradigm Press. Canada just had a very disappointing election
from the perspective of freedom, liberty, common sense. Pierre Pauliev,
(19:02):
he of apple eating and indifference to media fame, did
not succeed in his effort to become the PM of Canada.
I'm going to put this out some of our Canadian listeners,
what the heck happened there? Guys, you're hearing us up
because you know, some of our big New York stations
play stretched, you know, well into Canada. Probably some of
our Michigan stations. I would assume too. I got to
(19:26):
check the wattage, but yeah, I think that they can
be heard where the Canadian population is. We got Canadian
listeners for sure, some of them streaming what happened there. Well,
here is Trump with the new Prime Minister of Canada,
Mark Carney, I'd never heard of until this, talking about
this play.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It takes two to tango, right, But no, I do.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I mean, I believe there.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens.
You get free military, you get tremendous medical cares and
other things. There would be a lot of advance, but
it would be it would be a massive tax cut.
And it's also a beautiful you know, as a real
estate developer, you know, I'm a real estate developer at heart.
(20:09):
When you get rid of that artificially drawn line. Somebody
drew that line many years ago with like a ruler,
just a straight line right across that top of the country.
When you look at that beautiful formation when it's together.
I'm a very artistic person, but when I looked at
that beauty, I said, that's the way it was meant
to be. But you know it's I just I do
(20:29):
feel it's much better for Canada. But we're not going
to be discussing that unless somebody wants to discuss it.
I think that there are tremendous benefits to the Canadian citizens,
tremendously lower taxes, free military which honestly, we give you
essentially anyway because we're protecting Canada if you have had
a problem. But I think, you know it's it would
(20:52):
really be a wonderful marriage because it's it's two places.
They get along very well, they like each other a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
So then Carneybuck responded, and I think we have Carney's response.
So Trump still pushing and I love it. He just
everybody wants to say, like, what is Trump. Trump's a
real estate guy at his core, he's a real estate guy,
and he's looking at Greenland, and he's looking at Panama,
and he's looking at Canada. And the truth of the
(21:20):
matter is some of the most successful presidents that we've
ever had basically have been real estate guys. Thomas Jefferson
Louisiana purchase, kind of a good deal, Gadsden purchase, Seward's folly.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
When George Washington was a real estate guy and a landlord,
in fact.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
A speculator, some would argue that nearly went bankrupt in
many different times over the amount of land that he
was acquiring back to the day most of the founding
fathers big agrarian land related guys. But then Carney responded,
and I actually liked his response, and you can hear
Trump laugh because I think Trump kind of respects it
a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Listen, as you.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Know from real estate, there are some places that are
never for sale. We're sitting in one right now, you know,
bucking and Pallace that you visited as well, and having
met with the owners of Canada over the course of
the campaign last several months, it's not for sale, won't
be for sale ever. But the opportunity is in the
(22:19):
partnership and what we can build together, and we have
done in the past. And part of that, as the
President just said, is with respect to our own security,
and my government is committed for a step change in
our investment in Canadian security and our partnership. And I'll
say this as well, that the president has revitalized international security,
(22:42):
revitalized NATAL and US playing our full weight in NATO,
and that will be parts.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think Trump buck is one hundred percent right that
the world would actually be better off. And look, if
Canada was a part of the United States, I think
he's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Here's the problem. It's not going to happen. One two.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
If it did happen, the devil are in the details.
Most of those voters would be far left wing voters.
So you would actually have to instead of making Canada
fifty first state, you would have to in some way
create some of the rural Canadian areas to give them
an opportunity so that we could have senators who were
not insane. It would if Canada were a part of
(23:27):
the United States. And not very many people have talked
about this, Kamala might well have won the presidency because
you're bringing in thirty five million ish new voters, and
that new voter registry is about two to one Democrat
in America over Republican. So look, Trump's right, they would
get a huge tax cut. I think the overall economy
(23:50):
would be better for both countries if Canada were a
part of the United States. I think that's all true.
It's not going to happen, and and the reality here
is if it were going to happen, the details in
terms of what it would be necessary to occur are substantial.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
What I like about.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
It is it goes to the growth mindset of Trump.
He's not looking at the United States as a finished product.
I bought a map recently and I'm going to put
it in the new house that we're building. It's what
I love about it is it's one of those old
school maps. Buck Do you remember when used to be
able to pull down the map and the teacher would
pull out a ruler or whatever and they would point
(24:32):
to it and it would be this before everybody had
the camp had the computers to be able to put
everything imaged out there. And it's a map from like
eighteen forty and it has the continental United States, and
most of the United States is not filled in yet
we didn't know what the future of the country was
going to look like. And I love the ambition, the scope,
(24:52):
the metaphor of that unfilled map. And I think that
is how Trump thinks that the United States is not
a fixed and permanent, an already fully formed country, that
we still have a lot of growth, and I think
that is what his expansionist mindset represents, whether it's Greenland,
whether it's Canada, whether it's Panama, and making us think
in different ways. But that to me is the challenge
(25:15):
of Canada. I'm not sure even if it's a great idea,
and I do think it would be good for the
economy overall, that the Canadian voters would actually agree with
much of what we think is important in the United
States right now. But if it's not going to happen,
and I agree with you that it's not gonna happen,
why does Trump know that it's not gonna happen? Because
(25:36):
why this is? This is where it's a great question.
I think Trump is a bit of a magical thinker.
This is my psychoanalysis of Trump. And what I mean
by that is, anytime you build something that hasn't been
built before, you have to be a creative, magical thinker.
Real estate developers have to see things that haven't occurred
(25:58):
and believe that they are possible. I think in Trump's mind,
he believes that anything can be negotiated, and so even
if there's a small chance of it happening, he thinks
by putting it out into the larger discussion, he actually
makes it somewhat possible.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
In the same way, if you say, hey.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
I'm going to build a two hundred story building, Well
maybe that's not going to end up happening, but the
idea that you think you can expands the Overton window
of possibility.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Clay thinks that Trump is a man who dreams great dreams,
the greatest dreams. We got to call her Dave in Maine.
He says he lives right near the Canadian border. Wants
to weigh in on this Canada stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
What's going on, Dave, my gentlemen.
Speaker 9 (26:39):
Yeah, so my family is from Canada, back and forth.
I we live right handy to it. My wife used
to grocery shop there every week. Grew up playing hockey
with Canadian kids. My daughter works for a Canadian company,
and we got a lot of friends of the Canadians.
What happened was they were ready, the people that we know,
(27:01):
we're ready.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
To go for Pierre.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
But the whole fifty first state, Yeah, thing really touched
off their national pride and we compete in another sport
and we have Canadians come over and compete with us,
and they got so peed off. They're like, we're not
coming to the US this year to compete and sorry,
you know not don't take it personal, but you know
(27:24):
it's an attack on our country. I said, I he's
just messing with them anyway, but they didn't take it
that way. And I always said, too, we should have
marketed it as there's ten provinces and three territories in Canada,
so one state wasn't nearly enough to give them ten states.
Give them ten or thirteen states. But all seriousness, that
(27:45):
is really you know, that's the feedback directly from my
best friend lives no Scotiare. And you know another thing
too about is their news is just horrendous. Like I'm
always having to re you know, tell them these listen
to what's the falla their rebel news, you know, try
to get some all termedive new sources, because their regular
(28:06):
news they get is just.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, you think, I mean, it's communist drivel.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I know that because I used to I used to
do some news back in the day, which I think
became rebel news or ezra levant. You know, very early
in my career, I actually appeared on Canadian TV when
I needed more TV reps. Clay, I was like, Hey,
how are my Canadian brothers and sisters doing that?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Really, that's where you were honing the skills. Buck is
huge in Saskatchewan.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
You have no idea, I uh, you know, it's thank
you for the call. By the way, I do think
to answer your question that the fifty first state talk
inside of Canada ignited national pride and it lit on
fire the hopes of conservative governments because they were seen
as closer to Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I'm also going to say this, it reminds me of
somebody that I know, somebody I spent a lot of
time with you today.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't know if he needs to be named here.
But when you tell Trump not to talk about something,
or that he can't talk about something, guess what is
going to happen. And there are a lot of people
who said stop with the fifty first state talk. Yeah, Clay,
So how somebody.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Could be I don't know how somebody could be that way.
I also think this ties in. Trump also sees this
as entertainment. I'm gonna be honest with you, and I
know some people were offended by the Pope Trump as
Pope meme that got shared. I thought it was really funny,
and I'm not Catholic, so I can't speak on behalf
of the Catholic universe about.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Trump spoke to this. Let's hear his because, by the way,
I am Catholic. I went to Jesuit school and did
all this stuff, and you know know some of the
things I did not. I was not even vaguely offended
by this. Okay, this is there are things that appear
about Catholicism or the way that it's depicted, and the
way the media and the focus on certain things is offensive.
(29:53):
I agree with Trump on this one one hundred percent.
But here he is play clut five.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
We're not so happy about the of you looking like
the Pope.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You mean they can't take a joke.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
You don't mean the Catholics, he mean the fake news media,
not the.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Catholics loved it. I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Somebody made up a picture of me dressed.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Like the Pope and they put it out on the internet.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's not me. That did it. I have no idea
where it came from.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Maybe it was Ai, but I know nothing about it.
I just saw it last evening. Actually my wife thought
it was cute. She said, this is that nice question
about Actually I would not be able to be married,
though that would be a lot. To the best of
my knowledge, popes aren't big one getting.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Married, not that we know of now, I mean that
we know of, not that we are. Well, we talked
about this. There actually were a lot back in the
back in the day, with a lot of illegitimate kids
out there.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If you, if you study it was a really good
Renaissance art that came out of those naughty popes. So
just putting it out there.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And uh, but so I thought that was funny. Again,
I think you tweeted this, and I do think it's
important the fact that Trump has maintained a sense of
humor and a lightness of being with the most important job.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
In the United States. I think it's probably fair to say.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Just a few months ago he took a freaking bullet
off his ear that nearly blew his head off on
live television, the thing that doesn't get talked about at all.
And I was with him at the NCAA Wrestling Championships
on that arena floor in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Most people who come.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
That close to death, who would have an assassin's bullet
clip their ear, Most people would be pretty apprehensive walking
into big, crowded arenas. The guy is fearless, and I think,
to your point, has a lightness of bearing about him
that even though he is engaged in serious things, he
(31:56):
still has a sense of humor surrounding it. And so
I think he's putting it out into the ether, this
idea of Canada or Greenland or Panama or whatever it
might be. Because of the expansionist idea, but also the Pope thing.
I think he enjoys just having fun, or the running
for a third ternam in office, all of these things.
(32:16):
I think he enjoys expanding the universe and kind of
ridiculing the people who are most opposed to him. And
I thought the Pope picture, I saw it, you know,
like I guess when did it come out? Just before
the Kentucky Derby or something? And I thought it was
pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know a lot of Catholics, Okay, I'm related to
a lot of them too. I don't know a single
Catholic who thought that that was like blasphemous or some
big problem. All right, everyone can calm down. You know
Trump Trump like on the cross or something that would
upset people, Trumps the Pope.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I think that's funny. We come back. We'll take some
more of your calls.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
We got Senator Rampaul joining us the top of the
third hour after yesterday's debate about whether I could swim
to shore from Alcatraz.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
A lot of disrespect for my swimming ability.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
I have to say, I'm bracing for the monster size
shipment of Chalk's mal vitality stack to arrive. I think
buck right before I jumped into the water into the
icy shark infested waters of the San Francisco Bay to
demonstrate my incredible swimming acumen, I would need to pound
a bunch of chalk to just have the energy of
a thousand men, a Trump like set of energy to
(33:23):
in order to propel me across the entire bay to land.
I can neither confirm nor deny, but if you were
to take some chad mode, would you be able to outswim.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
A great white shark that was on your tail.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Possibly while blowing into my beloved flute and making melodic
tunes for everyone.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
As I swam, maybe backstroked.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
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Speaker 1 (33:59):
I've been on the sixth month on journey. And the
last time I saw Laura when she came over a
few months ago, she looked at me. She's like, wow,
you really did lean out. It's like, yes, proper life
as uh.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
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you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. A lot to dive into. In the third hour,
we'll be talking with Senator Ran Paul and come back.
We'll ask him about the latest on tariffs. He has
not supported President Trump's tariff perspectives. We will ask him
about the latest on the COVID investigation, as he is
(35:21):
going to be chairing part of the hearings surrounding that,
and we will find out what his overall expectations are
for the so called Big Beautiful Bill, which I believe
is on track to pass in May. And for those
of you out there that want Congress to be moving faster,
I certainly understand that. I would point out that with
(35:45):
a three or four vote margin in the House, getting
anything at all passed is a super challenge.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
So the Big Beautiful Bill.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Is on track to pass that will codify for multiple
years the tax cuts, that will codify the border related issues,
theoretically making it harder for any Democrat who comes into
office to do what Joe Biden did. All of that underway,
scheduled to pass at some point this month. UH, and
we will discuss all of that with Senator rand Paul
(36:16):
will also take some of your calls and we'll have
some fun in the final hour of the program Tuesday
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and we look forward to hanging out with all of you.
Lots of good stuff on social media. We may dive
into some of that as well, and UH. Senator ran
(36:36):
Paul next, what's the latest on the bill? And Fauci
will tell you thanks for hanging with us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
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