June 20, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay delves into a thought-provoking comparison between former President Barack Obama and Donald Trump's legacies. Clay argues that Obama is beginning to recognize that Trump has become more consequential and transformative than him in American politics. He suggests that Trump's presidency may have greater historical significance, likening Obama's realization to hearing the Jaws theme song as Trump devours his legacy.
Clay also offers a critical assessment of recent presidents, calling George W. Bush "an unmitigated disaster" who squandered a balanced budget and led the country into questionable wars. He notes that Biden is widely considered "the worst president in the last two generations," even among Democrats. The discussion extends to how Trump's criticism of Bush's foreign policy resonated with many Americans disillusioned by the Iraq War.
The hour includes Clay's commentary on Michelle Obama after her recent podcast appearance where she stated she wouldn't want a son like her husband. Clay expresses surprise at this statement, considering Barack Obama's accomplishments, and suggests that Michelle comes across as "an entitled arrogant brat" who benefited from protective media coverage. He contrasts this with his own approach to broadcasting, emphasizing authenticity in both his public and private personas.
As the show moves toward its final hour, Clay mentions the 50th anniversary of the movie Jaws, playfully using its iconic theme music as a metaphor for Trump's advancing influence over Obama's presidential legacy. Throughout hour 2, Clay maintains that Trump will be remembered as the dominant political figure from 2015 through 2029, especially if his political movement continues through successors like JD Vance or Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in hour number two Friday edition of the program.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We got
a lot of people weighing in on a variety of
different subjects. Latest on Iran Israel. We will dive into Buck.
We'll be back with me on Monday, traveling back from
France where he has been on the French Rivi Era.
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We will have a lot of your weigh ins on
a variety of different topics. Eight hundred and two two
two eight eight two. We're having funds fiftieth anniversary of Jaws.
My argument is it's the most influential movie ever made.
Also by the way it launched the summer blockbuster era.
For those of you who around my age, it's very commonplace.
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You would get out of school and there would be
a roster of incredibly big blockbuster movies that we're all
ready to roll. And that is now super commonplace. But
back in the day, the idea was, oh, summer is
kind of a wall in the box office. People traveling,
it's not the time when movies are going to take off.
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And that changed with Jaws and the summer blockbuster phenomenon.
So fiftieth anniversary it is by the way, airing for
free on something called over the air television that is
free for everybody on NBC at eight o'clock Eastern. So
if you've never if you're one of the only people
out there who's never seen Jaws, tonight and you are
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capable of figuring out how to put on NBC, it
will be free tonight for everybody to watch on the
fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So went to break Well to start the show.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I was running through the fact that Democrats, who hope
to be the nominee in twenty twenty eight are mostly
ignoring the Wednesday Supreme Court case on the transgender kid issue,
which was decided six to three in favor of the
state of Tennessee being able to prohibit these treatments. They're
(01:58):
pretending that that ruling did not happen. Let me also
point out, along with many other issues out there, if.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Trump hadn't won the twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Election, this probably would have been a five to four decision.
Tennessee is not able to stop kids from having trans surgery.
I know sometimes that gets lost in the overall larger
geopolitical picture, but the most consequential thing in terms of
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being able to look at the Supreme Court for generations
to come. Was Trump's twenty sixteen election win, because without that,
a lot of these six to three common sense decisions
may well have been five to four crazy left wing decisions,
and a state like Tennessee might not have been able
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to say, hey, we're not going to let fifteen year
olds chop off their tubes or their penises. That is
child abuse, and we think it's not a actual medical treatment.
So I know sometimes that gets lost in the shuffle.
But Trump one point zero. If he doesn't win and
Hillary is in office, a lot of these rulings that
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have come down are very, very different, and I think
it's worth keeping in mind as we look ahead. Supreme
Court justices are on the court for life, but some
of these guys and gals are getting up there into
their seventies, into their high seventies. And you only have
to look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg to point to that
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and say, hey, you gotta be careful about staying on
for too long, because you may not make it to
where you're in a position where somebody who has a
judicial philosophy like yours is going to be replacing you.
And so in the case of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you
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end up with Amy Cony Barrett, who is in the
majority on this six to three decision. I would like
to think Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have been smart enough,
because she is an old school liberal, to have looked
at a story like this and said this is crazy.
She's a mom, This is outrageous to allow fourteen and
fifteen year olds to do this. But the Democrat orthodoxy
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and the far left wing woke ideology is very strong
in many of these individuals, and I'm not sure necessarily
that that would have occurred. Okay, I want to play
for you. Barack Obama has decided to go back out
on the interview circuit. And I believe this was a
Connecticut event where he was sitting and he was talking,
(04:42):
and he's talking about misinformation and disinformation, and I want
to just play this cut for you, and then I
want to lay out a thesis that I think is
underlying why Obama is suddenly becoming more outspoken a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Let's listen.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Our biggest right now is we need democracy and social cohesion.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And trust.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
More than ever, and it's probably as weak as it's
been since I've been alive, and that's a bad combination.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, I don't actually buy that that's true because Barack Obama.
What year was Barack Obama born? Guys, will you look
that up? I think Barack Obama was alive in nineteen
sixty eight, which I would argue for most people out
there is the craziest year of most of our lives.
I would actually put twenty twenty in second place in
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many ways in terms of eras the COVID twenty twenty
BLM protests, George Floyd, insanity, all of that is right
up there with nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They echo with each other.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But I think Barack Obama would have been alive in
nineteen six sixty eight. I believe that I'm accurate on
that because I think that Barack Obama is about fifteen
years older than me and is the oldest born in
nineteen sixty one. So yeah, he may not remember it well,
(06:16):
but he was certainly alive for that. What's behind Obama?
Let me it's a funny one. Let me actually dive
in here for a minute and tell you where I
think all this is coming from. So I think that
Obama believed that his two thousand and eight win and
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his twenty twelve win was going to make him one
of the most transformative figures in American history from a
presidential perspective, and I think he was quite confident in that,
and I think he was quite proud of it that
he is the first non white president half black, half
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lite white half evidently doesn't count, but first non white president.
And I think he was of the opinion that his
election in the twenty first century was going to turn
into a transformative moment and that in the generations to
come he would echo even more, that he would become
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even more of an iconic figure.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I don't think it's happened.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And I think he is looking now at Donald Trump,
because we just had the ten year anniversary of Trump
coming down the escalator and announcing that he was going
to run for president in twenty sixteen, the election cycle
and now Trump has been elected twice and he's going
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to be in office as long as he stays healthy
until January of twenty twenty nine. And Trump two point zero,
I think has the potential to be one of the
most impactful and consequential terms in office that we have
ever seen. And if you just use the first one
hundred and fifty ish days of Trump two point zero
(08:08):
as a proxy. I actually asked Buck this when we
walked out of the Oval office last week. What is
Trump even going to do by year three? He's moving
so fast, And obviously one of the challenges of being
president is there many different issues that arise that you're
not really in control of. COVID is a great example
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in twenty twenty, because I think Trump was on pace
to have the greatest economy in the history of the world.
And if COVID doesn't suddenly land in March of twenty twenty,
even if it landed in March of twenty twenty one
instead of March of twenty twenty, if it doesn't land
right in the middle of an American presidential election cycle,
I think Trump would have rowed that economy in twenty
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twenty no matter what sort of Shenanigan's Democrats tried. I
think he would have ridden that into an incredibly successful
twenty twenty election campaign. And I think you would have
crushed Joe Biden. I don't think it would have even
been remotely close, because remember it would have been they
would have not been able to hide Biden. They wouldn't
have been able to send him to the basement. Biden's
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frailties would have been in stark contrast with Trump's virility.
And I don't even think the election would have been close.
I think Democrats got thrown a life veest and it
saved what would have otherwise been a metaphorically drowning Biden
twenty twenty campaign. And I think a lot of them
in retrospect now see that. I think it's why they
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played up the fear of COVID all those other things,
because I think they recognized that they would have lost
and it would not have been particularly close in twenty twenty.
But if Trump had won in twenty twenty, I actually
think his impact would be far less consequential than it
has been in this term starting in twenty twenty five.
And I think Obama's having that realization. I think Obama
(10:00):
suddenly looking around and saying, Okay, if you just think
about presidents in the last two generations, Ronald Reagan had
a transformative presidency. I know the Berlin Wall came down
in George HW. Bush's tenure. A lot of people forget
about that in nineteen eighty nine, but Reagan had a
transformative presidency in my life. I would put Reagan as
(10:23):
the most transformative president. Bill Clinton, I think, had a
highly successful presidency. And I know people out there are like, yeah,
well leave leave aside the Intern. As I've said for
some time, I would rather a president screw an intern
than the whole country. Okay, Biden screwed the whole country.
He may not have screwed an intern, but he screwed
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the whole country instead. If you're around my age, most
of us who grew up and I'm forty six, most
of us who grew up in the eighties and nineties
feel like America was pretty awesome in the eighties and nineties.
That entire generation of kids that grew up in the
eighties and nineties. I'm not saying we're perfect, but it
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was a sort of a pre internet world where you
could just get let out on your own. Like I
laugh about this now, but I rode the school bus
home from my public school. My parents both worked. They
just gave me a mace canister on the keychain. I
(11:27):
was ten, and they were like, hey, if anybody tries
to kidnap, you just spray them with mace. If I
suggested that about my ten year old right now. My
wife would strangle me. What we let kids do in
the seventies, eighties, and nineties, and don't even get me started.
I'm sure in the fifties and sixties. And then my
(11:48):
mom says, when she was growing up in Chattanooga, Tennessee,
they had ponies, and her mom would just be like, hey,
you and your brother get on your ponies and just
be back before dark. You got on a horse and
just rode off into the distance in Chattanooga, Tennessee in
the nineteen fifties, and my grandma was just like, yeah,
(12:09):
just make sure you're back before dark. Do you know
how far you could go on a horse? And they
are just like, hey, you'll be fine. You're eight, Get
on the horse, just ride around for a while. We'll
see you later. Take a pack lunch. So I can
see why my mom thought, well, he's just riding the
school bus. It's super safe. But you know, protectionism of
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kids has grown immensely. But I think most people look
back at the eighties and nineties and they say, Okay,
the Reagan era, the Clinton era, most people were pretty
happy in the country. And then I think, and this
is where you know, I'm gonna have to dive into
this because some of you made disagree. But I think
George W. Bush was an unmitigated disaster. Came in with
(12:52):
a balanced budget nine to eleven, happens we end up
in war with Iraq. Dick Cheney's a disaster. That's why
I think the idea that Liz and he endorsed Kamala.
A lot of you are like good. Dick Cheney's the
worst vice president in the history of the United States.
I'm gonna have to expound on this thesis, but I
think what Obama is slowly starting to recognize is that
(13:13):
what he thought was going to be a transformative presidency
that was the story of the twenty first century in
terms of excellent leadership, he has been totally overtaken by Trump.
Trump is far more consequential and far more successful than
Obama ever would have been, and it's a direct result
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of Obama's failed policies that Trump was enabled. And even
beyond that, I think there's an argument that the only
reason Trump even got into office was because Obama taunted
him and Trump said, screw this, I'm not staying on
the sidelines anymore. So Obama might have chosen the method
(13:56):
of his own destruction, just like in Ghostbusters. And it's
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm gonna
expound on this Obama idea and why he's suddenly looking
around and saying, wait a minute, the future that I
thought was going to be here is not in fact here.
And I think he caused Trump because again, if you
just go back and I'm talking about the last two
generations and you're just kind of running down the list,
(15:48):
you're like, Okay, Reagan boom, huge success. Clinton screwed an
in turn didn't screw the whole country. Most people, I
would say, liked the nineties two thousand. I think George W.
Bush unmitigated disaster. I think George W. Bush is the
worst two term president. When you talk about getting us
into a war, wasting trillions of dollars, I think Trump calling.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Out George W.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Bush is when a lot of people really perked up
for the first time and said, this is a different
kind of candidate. And I think it actually underscores much
of the debate we're having right now about Iran and
what the American response should be, because a lot of
you that are not in favor of aggressive American foreign
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policy are of that opinion because of the lies you
were told about.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So then you move into the you know, look, Biden
is clearly the worst president in the last two generations,
and I don't even think Democrats are going to argue
against that. Trump was right when he said Jimmy Carter
died happy because at least he knows he's no longer
the worst president. But both Carter and Biden were accidental presidents.
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Carter brought on by the Watergate situation, Biden brought on
by COVID and the rig job that surrounded the twenty
twenty election. But I think Obama now, looking back, you're
going to have those twin double terms of Obama and
of Trump, and historians for decades are going to be arguing, hey,
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who was the most transformative figure of the twenty first century,
and I think Obama's starting to recognize the answers Trump,
that Trump is going to be far more impactful, and
that Barack Obama's presidency is going to slide into the
recesses of history because he got a lot of things wrong,
in particular Iran, which we'll talk about and how it
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underscoes some of the differences between these two when we
come back. But I think on the long march of history,
Obama is starting to recognize uh oh, Trump has passed me.
I was mentioning a minute ago. My mom texted me.
She said I wasn't just pack your lunch. My grandma
also said, take a canteen full of water and just
go off and ride on a horse wherever you want
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. A lot
of different people wanting to weigh in eight hundred and
two two eight A two as we are rolling in
(19:10):
to the weekend, and this is the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws.
But also I feel like we should just be coming
back in on the fiftieth anniversary with that iconic soundtrack
from Jaws every single segment here because I would submit
to you it's probably the most iconic soundtrack that has
ever existed. John Williams, am I correct about that, was
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the creator of that soundtrack, And I feel like it's
what Barack Obama is hearing in the back of his
mind every time he sees Donald Trump with another press
conference in the White House, that his legacy is just
slowly being devoured by Trump. And look, it remains to
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be seen. And I think the conversation is going to
shift in the wake of the midterms. Whatever happens in
the midterms, the conversation is going to turn to, Okay,
what is Trump's long range legacy because He's gonna undoubtedly
have dominated the American body politic from twenty fifteen till
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twenty twenty nine. But if jad Vance or Marco Rubio
or someone who is in the Trump school is the
next man up or the next woman up who knows
towards being elected president of the United States, and I
think that's likely to happen because I think Democrats are
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so lost, then the Trump legacy is only going to
continue to grow. And that's where I think the twenty
twenty four election. You guys know I'm a history nerd.
The twenty twenty four election ended the Trump is an
accidental president narrative, because that's what they tried to say, Oh,
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He kind of snuck up on people. They never saw
him come.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Hillary should have campaigned more in Michigan, in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
He only won that election by a tiny amount. Oh
this is just Democrats were asleep at the wheel. And
then Biden gets elected and they try to put Trump
in prison for the rest of his life. And then
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he comes back and he wins the greatest Republican presidential
victory since.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I mean, I think that is the greatest Republican presidential
victory since nineteen eighty eight. It turned Trump into a
transformative political figure that even his critics can't disavow. They
really can't argue against it now. And I don't think
anything that happens in this term is going to change
the fact that Trump is the most consequential and transformative
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American presidential contender and candidate and president of the twenty
first century. And I think Obama is slowly coming to
realization with that. And I also think the sort of
the artifice of the Obamas is kind of being torn
down because whatever you think about Barack, you know, he
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talked a lot about, oh, we need more common facts
and everything else. I would love for Obama, who I
always found to be most likable, whatever you think about
him presidentially, because he raised two young daughters while still
being in the White House, and he coached their basketball team.
You guys, remember this, This was you know, leave aside
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everything else. I found two things Obama as a dad
to me, I thought was the best version of Obama
just in terms of his public persona.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And there were two things.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
One he coached his girls' basketball team, the young girls
basketball team, and on that aspect it how has no
one ever asked Obama, you had two daughters, what do
you think about men pretending to be women playing and
winning women's sports championships? He gets interviewed all the time,
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never asked by the way, Joe Biden was never asked
that question. Now I know Biden tried to hide from
the media. Kamala Harris was never asked that question. If
you wonder about Democrat Party and big media legacy media collusion,
sometimes you can just see it by the questions themselves
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being asked. How is it possible that Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
and Kamala Harris have never been asked what they think
about men in women's sports, No one has ever thought
to ask that question. They certainly have never addressed it
on their own, But no opposition figure in the media
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that's trying to speak truth to power and ask questions
of people in positions no one's ever asked that question.
Is that remarkable when you really think about it. I
bet if when Obama was coaching his ten year old daughter,
if there had suddenly been a fourteen year old boy
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trying to play in their league, he would have.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Been like, no, no, no, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think dad of two daughters who played sports, Obama
actually thinks this is ridiculous. But he's talking about the
importance of speaking honestly to audience and how we've lost trust.
Why won't he speak out on that. I think it's
a really interesting question because I would submit to you,
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and I really do believe this is true. Even in
this Iran and Iraq debate. It isn't that you have
to agree with Trump on everything. It's that you believe
that he will be straight with you about what he believes.
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What matters more than whether you agree with someone in
this era that we're in right now is whether you
think they are being authentic about what they believe with you,
and I would submit to you for any man that
is in the Democrat Party right now, certainly any heterosexual man.
If they are unwilling to say men shouldn't be in
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women's sports, they're lying to you. And if you're not
willing to take that stand because you're afraid of what
the blowback may be, then I can't trust you on
anything else. But one Obama coaching his daughters two and
I always think this is good. When his daughters were
going to prom, I don't remember the exact quote, but
they asked Obama, hey, have you weighed in on basically
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who your daughters are going to going dating or who
they're going to prom with? And he said, you know
something along the line. You know, I'm President of the
United States. I have to make super important decisions every day.
My daughters think my opinion on boys are completely ridiculous.
And the reason why I like both of those things
is they have nothing to do with being president of
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the United States, but they humanize him as a normal guy.
I've talked about this with Trump. I thought they did
a great job with this. In twenty twenty four. Trump
has a phenomenal relationship with his grandkids. He really does.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They like him. When they interact with him, you can
tell how much they enjoy being around him. He is
a very likable and involved grandpa. You know Laura Trump,
his daughter in law. Trump took his youngest daughter. I
think it was in North Carolina, the grandparents to school day.
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I don't know what it's officially called. Probably grandparents to
school day. My own parents have done that. Trump walks
in little girl, holding her hand. We didn't see as
much of that in Trump one point zho. I think
they leaned into it on Trump two point zero, because one,
he's probably gotten a little bit older. But two, I
think Trump got more comfortable with that aspect of his personality.
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Trump has a really good relationship with his kids and
a very good relationship with his grandkids, irrespective of his
particular politics. I think that humanizes him, and I think
that connects with the larger American public in a good way,
because he's also a dad and a grandpa. And I
think that, even though he has a great deal of power,
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connects in a very positive way there. But sometimes when
people start talking and they talk more and more, you
realize how much they were protected by the legacy media,
and they weren't actually very likable ever, and I think
that's becoming true of Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I had him pull a clip. I don't know why
she needed to do a podcast. Michelle Obama has been
probably the most protected person in all of American presidential
politics in my life, in that no one was ever
able to say, by and large, anything at all negative
about her. And the more she has spoken out in
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the post presidency, the more ungrateful, the more unlikable she
has been. I said this at the time when she
didn't show up for Jimmy Carter's presidential funeral, I thought
it was an insult to the country.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
To me, I get it, it stinks.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You may not have a personal relationship with Jimmy Carter
very much, but to me, you owe the American public
a display of the barest, barest minimum of gratitude to
show up at a funeral like that. Barack Obama showed up.
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She wasn't willing to, And then she said, well, I
didn't even want them to pack me address, so I
didn't even have to worry about it, Like you can't
even pack your own dress. She is so out of
touch and so frankly unlikable that every time a new
episode of her podcast drops, her likability goes down even more.
(29:16):
And here she is, I think this just came out
this week. If I'm not mistaken, guys, you can correct me.
Here she is saying she's glad she had daughters because
otherwise she would have had a son and he might
have been like Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Listen, you should have threw a boy in the mix.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm so glad I didn't have a boy, yet he
would have been a Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, I would have felt for him.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I mean, your husband was the President of the United States.
You had two daughters. Oh, I didn't want to have
a son because he would have been like my husband.
You mean, the guy who got elected President of the
United States and went to Harvard Law School and was
the editor of the Harvard Law Review. Whatever you think
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about Obama, like way smarter than Joe Biden, way smarter
than Kamala Harris. I wouldn't have wanted to have a
son that was like my husband. Really, the more Michelle
Obama speaks, the sadder I feel for Barack Obama for
having to be married to her. She doesn't seem like
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a very fun person to be around. She seems like
an entitled, arrogant brat, and think about how much she
was protected by the legacy media people over time. One
reason that it's hard to attack me is because when
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you do live radio for three hours every day, you're
not gonna be perfect, but you can't act.
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Greatest actor in the history of mankind to come on
this show and pretend to be something that is different
from what I am in the real world. If you
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when Clay started doing radio, I guarantee you she would
(31:16):
answer this, how nervous were you? And she said all
the time? She would say all the time, I was
insanely nervous the sports talk radio.
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When she listened, she would cringe because she would be like, oh,
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difference between what public opinions I would share with all
of you millions people listening right now, and what I
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Real life.
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And authenticity destroys cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
They tried to cancel Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The problem is people have gotten to know him and
you may not agree with him, but there isn't very
much difference between public and private Trump, and so the
attacks don't register. You know, they found before Biden dropped out,
they were running all these attack ads on Trump and
they were testing them and they found that they actually
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benefited Trump. That's a sign that's pretty incredible when they're
running ads talking about how awful you are and people
are watching them and it actually makes them like Trump more.
And I think the reason why was people decided, yeah,
this guy's being attacked too much. They're coming after him
too aggressively, and it isn't actually in any way.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Legitimate.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And so I think the more we hear of Michelle Obama,
who didn't speak very much publicly before and was protected,
and they you know, probably negotiate.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Every interview she did, and they knew.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Exactly what dress they were gonna put her in, because
god forbid, she actually dressed herself, and they knew exactly
what the lighting was gonna be. And they knew the
seven questions they were gonna ask her, and now on
a podcast which is somewhat unscripted, it's still not live, right,
So if she really truly is unlikable in a segment,
(33:23):
they can just erase it and you never see it,
or they can go full Megan Markle and they cannot
even have That's actually very funny.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
People just kind of forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
My wife hates Megan Markle, listens to all the British
podcasts about how awful Meghan Markle is to me. I
thought the funniest thing about Megan Markle's podcast that who
was she doing the podcast with?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Was it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Spotify? Whoever she did that deal with. She had so
little respect for podcasting that the reports are that other
people asked the questions of the people she was supposed
to interview, and she later went back in and recorded
the questions and they inserted it made it look like
she had actually done the interview. Now I think they
have denied that, but there's also people who said, yeah, yeah,
(34:07):
she did that. Can you imagine taking twenty million dollars
for a podcast and not even being willing to sit
and ask the questions yourself. That is the bare minimum.
Somebody could just give you a list of questions and
you just have to sit there for an hour and
ask it of whatever ignoramus you're interviewing.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
She wasn't even willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The more Michelle Obama talks, this is one Buck was
right about. I thought she was likable. I bought into, Hey,
she's got to be better than Kamala Harris. I think
Michelle Obama is actually way less likable than Kamala Harris.
I do, and I think many people out there are
seeing the figment, the dishonest coverage that allowed Michelle Obama
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to be built up into this paragon of virtue, and
actually she's just an entitled brat. And the more she talks,
the more I feel sorry for Barack Obama for having
to live with her.
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of you hanging out with us. As we are rolling
into the final hour of the week, lots of fun coming.
Is that the Jaws theme music in the background there
is that what I hear. We're gonna let you hear
this as we go to break. I'm gonna have some
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fun with the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws in this final hour.
I want you to picture Barack Obama just swimming comfortably
off a Hawaiian beach.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know, Jaws was the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Donald Trump slowly advancing on every legacy that he
created and usurping him as the most important and transformative
president of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We'll have some fun Jaws next
Welcome in hour number two Friday edition of the program.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We got
a lot of people weighing in on a variety of
different subjects. Latest on Iran Israel. We will dive into Buck.
We'll be back with me on Monday, traveling back from
France where he has been on the French Rivi Era.
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We will have a lot of your weigh ins on
a variety of different topics. Eight hundred and two two
two eight eight two. We're having funds fiftieth anniversary of Jaws.
My argument is it's the most influential movie ever made.
Also by the way it launched the summer blockbuster era.
For those of you who around my age, it's very commonplace.
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You would get out of school and there would be
a roster of incredibly big blockbuster movies that we're all
ready to roll. And that is now super commonplace. But
back in the day, the idea was, oh, summer is
kind of a wall in the box office. People traveling,
it's not the time when movies are going to take off.
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And that changed with Jaws and the summer blockbuster phenomenon.
So fiftieth anniversary it is by the way, airing for
free on something called over the air television that is
free for everybody on NBC at eight o'clock Eastern. So
if you've never if you're one of the only people
out there who's never seen Jaws, tonight and you are
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capable of figuring out how to put on NBC, it
will be free tonight for everybody to watch on the
fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So went to break Well to start the show.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I was running through the fact that Democrats, who hope
to be the nominee in twenty twenty eight are mostly
ignoring the Wednesday Supreme Court case on the transgender kid issue,
which was decided six to three in favor of the
state of Tennessee being able to prohibit these treatments. They're
(01:58):
pretending that that ruling did not happen. Let me also
point out, along with many other issues out there, if.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Trump hadn't won the twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Election, this probably would have been a five to four decision.
Tennessee is not able to stop kids from having trans surgery.
I know sometimes that gets lost in the overall larger
geopolitical picture, but the most consequential thing in terms of
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being able to look at the Supreme Court for generations
to come. Was Trump's twenty sixteen election win, because without that,
a lot of these six to three common sense decisions
may well have been five to four crazy left wing decisions,
and a state like Tennessee might not have been able
(02:55):
to say, hey, we're not going to let fifteen year
olds chop off their tubes or their penises. That is
child abuse, and we think it's not a actual medical treatment.
So I know sometimes that gets lost in the shuffle.
But Trump one point zero. If he doesn't win and
Hillary is in office, a lot of these rulings that
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have come down are very, very different, and I think
it's worth keeping in mind as we look ahead. Supreme
Court justices are on the court for life, but some
of these guys and gals are getting up there into
their seventies, into their high seventies. And you only have
to look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg to point to that
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and say, hey, you gotta be careful about staying on
for too long, because you may not make it to
where you're in a position where somebody who has a
judicial philosophy like yours is going to be replacing you.
And so in the case of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you
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end up with Amy Cony Barrett, who is in the
majority on this six to three decision. I would like
to think Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have been smart enough,
because she is an old school liberal, to have looked
at a story like this and said this is crazy.
She's a mom, This is outrageous to allow fourteen and
fifteen year olds to do this. But the Democrat orthodoxy
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and the far left wing woke ideology is very strong
in many of these individuals, and I'm not sure necessarily
that that would have occurred. Okay, I want to play
for you. Barack Obama has decided to go back out
on the interview circuit. And I believe this was a
Connecticut event where he was sitting and he was talking,
(04:42):
and he's talking about misinformation and disinformation, and I want
to just play this cut for you, and then I
want to lay out a thesis that I think is
underlying why Obama is suddenly becoming more outspoken a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Let's listen.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Our biggest right now is we need democracy and social cohesion.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And trust.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
More than ever, and it's probably as weak as it's
been since I've been alive, and that's a bad combination.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, I don't actually buy that that's true because Barack Obama.
What year was Barack Obama born? Guys, will you look
that up? I think Barack Obama was alive in nineteen
sixty eight, which I would argue for most people out
there is the craziest year of most of our lives.
I would actually put twenty twenty in second place in
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many ways in terms of eras the COVID twenty twenty
BLM protests, George Floyd, insanity, all of that is right
up there with nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
They echo with each other.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But I think Barack Obama would have been alive in
nineteen six sixty eight. I believe that I'm accurate on
that because I think that Barack Obama is about fifteen
years older than me and is the oldest born in
nineteen sixty one. So yeah, he may not remember it well,
(06:16):
but he was certainly alive for that. What's behind Obama?
Let me it's a funny one. Let me actually dive
in here for a minute and tell you where I
think all this is coming from. So I think that
Obama believed that his two thousand and eight win and
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his twenty twelve win was going to make him one
of the most transformative figures in American history from a
presidential perspective, and I think he was quite confident in that,
and I think he was quite proud of it that
he is the first non white president half black, half
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lite white half evidently doesn't count, but first non white president.
And I think he was of the opinion that his
election in the twenty first century was going to turn
into a transformative moment and that in the generations to
come he would echo even more, that he would become
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even more of an iconic figure.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I don't think it's happened.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And I think he is looking now at Donald Trump,
because we just had the ten year anniversary of Trump
coming down the escalator and announcing that he was going
to run for president in twenty sixteen, the election cycle
and now Trump has been elected twice and he's going
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to be in office as long as he stays healthy
until January of twenty twenty nine. And Trump two point zero,
I think has the potential to be one of the
most impactful and consequential terms in office that we have
ever seen. And if you just use the first one
hundred and fifty ish days of Trump two point zero
(08:08):
as a proxy. I actually asked Buck this when we
walked out of the Oval office last week. What is
Trump even going to do by year three? He's moving
so fast, And obviously one of the challenges of being
president is there many different issues that arise that you're
not really in control of. COVID is a great example
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in twenty twenty, because I think Trump was on pace
to have the greatest economy in the history of the world.
And if COVID doesn't suddenly land in March of twenty twenty,
even if it landed in March of twenty twenty one
instead of March of twenty twenty, if it doesn't land
right in the middle of an American presidential election cycle,
I think Trump would have rowed that economy in twenty
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twenty no matter what sort of Shenanigan's Democrats tried. I
think he would have ridden that into an incredibly successful
twenty twenty election campaign. And I think you would have
crushed Joe Biden. I don't think it would have even
been remotely close, because remember it would have been they
would have not been able to hide Biden. They wouldn't
have been able to send him to the basement. Biden's
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frailties would have been in stark contrast with Trump's virility.
And I don't even think the election would have been close.
I think Democrats got thrown a life veest and it
saved what would have otherwise been a metaphorically drowning Biden
twenty twenty campaign. And I think a lot of them
in retrospect now see that. I think it's why they
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played up the fear of COVID all those other things,
because I think they recognized that they would have lost
and it would not have been particularly close in twenty twenty.
But if Trump had won in twenty twenty, I actually
think his impact would be far less consequential than it
has been in this term starting in twenty twenty five.
And I think Obama's having that realization. I think Obama
(10:00):
suddenly looking around and saying, Okay, if you just think
about presidents in the last two generations, Ronald Reagan had
a transformative presidency. I know the Berlin Wall came down
in George HW. Bush's tenure. A lot of people forget
about that in nineteen eighty nine, but Reagan had a
transformative presidency in my life. I would put Reagan as
(10:23):
the most transformative president. Bill Clinton, I think, had a
highly successful presidency. And I know people out there are like, yeah,
well leave leave aside the Intern. As I've said for
some time, I would rather a president screw an intern
than the whole country. Okay, Biden screwed the whole country.
He may not have screwed an intern, but he screwed
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the whole country instead. If you're around my age, most
of us who grew up and I'm forty six, most
of us who grew up in the eighties and nineties
feel like America was pretty awesome in the eighties and nineties.
That entire generation of kids that grew up in the
eighties and nineties. I'm not saying we're perfect, but it
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was a sort of a pre internet world where you
could just get let out on your own. Like I
laugh about this now, but I rode the school bus
home from my public school. My parents both worked. They
just gave me a mace canister on the keychain. I
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was ten, and they were like, hey, if anybody tries
to kidnap, you just spray them with mace. If I
suggested that about my ten year old right now. My
wife would strangle me. What we let kids do in
the seventies, eighties, and nineties, and don't even get me started.
I'm sure in the fifties and sixties. And then my
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mom says, when she was growing up in Chattanooga, Tennessee,
they had ponies, and her mom would just be like, hey,
you and your brother get on your ponies and just
be back before dark. You got on a horse and
just rode off into the distance in Chattanooga, Tennessee in
the nineteen fifties, and my grandma was just like, yeah,
(12:09):
just make sure you're back before dark. Do you know
how far you could go on a horse? And they
are just like, hey, you'll be fine. You're eight, Get
on the horse, just ride around for a while. We'll
see you later. Take a pack lunch. So I can
see why my mom thought, well, he's just riding the
school bus. It's super safe. But you know, protectionism of
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kids has grown immensely. But I think most people look
back at the eighties and nineties and they say, Okay,
the Reagan era, the Clinton era, most people were pretty
happy in the country. And then I think, and this
is where you know, I'm gonna have to dive into
this because some of you made disagree. But I think
George W. Bush was an unmitigated disaster. Came in with
(12:52):
a balanced budget nine to eleven, happens we end up
in war with Iraq. Dick Cheney's a disaster. That's why
I think the idea that Liz and he endorsed Kamala.
A lot of you are like good. Dick Cheney's the
worst vice president in the history of the United States.
I'm gonna have to expound on this thesis, but I
think what Obama is slowly starting to recognize is that
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what he thought was going to be a transformative presidency
that was the story of the twenty first century in
terms of excellent leadership, he has been totally overtaken by Trump.
Trump is far more consequential and far more successful than
Obama ever would have been, and it's a direct result
(13:35):
of Obama's failed policies that Trump was enabled. And even
beyond that, I think there's an argument that the only
reason Trump even got into office was because Obama taunted
him and Trump said, screw this, I'm not staying on
the sidelines anymore. So Obama might have chosen the method
(13:56):
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Trump and I think Obama's starting to recognize it. We'll
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I'm gonna
expound on this Obama idea and why he's suddenly looking
around and saying, wait a minute, the future that I
thought was going to be here is not in fact here.
And I think he caused Trump because again, if you
just go back and I'm talking about the last two
generations and you're just kind of running down the list,
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you're like, Okay, Reagan boom, huge success. Clinton screwed an
in turn didn't screw the whole country. Most people, I
would say, liked the nineties two thousand. I think George W.
Bush unmitigated disaster. I think George W. Bush is the
worst two term president. When you talk about getting us
into a war, wasting trillions of dollars, I think Trump calling.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Out George W.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Bush is when a lot of people really perked up
for the first time and said, this is a different
kind of candidate. And I think it actually underscores much
of the debate we're having right now about Iran and
what the American response should be, because a lot of
you that are not in favor of aggressive American foreign
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policy are of that opinion because of the lies you
were told about.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So then you move into the you know, look, Biden
is clearly the worst president in the last two generations,
and I don't even think Democrats are going to argue
against that. Trump was right when he said Jimmy Carter
died happy because at least he knows he's no longer
the worst president. But both Carter and Biden were accidental presidents.
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Carter brought on by the Watergate situation, Biden brought on
by COVID and the rig job that surrounded the twenty
twenty election. But I think Obama now, looking back, you're
going to have those twin double terms of Obama and
of Trump, and historians for decades are going to be arguing, hey,
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who was the most transformative figure of the twenty first century,
and I think Obama's starting to recognize the answers Trump,
that Trump is going to be far more impactful, and
that Barack Obama's presidency is going to slide into the
recesses of history because he got a lot of things wrong,
in particular Iran, which we'll talk about and how it
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underscoes some of the differences between these two when we
come back. But I think on the long march of history,
Obama is starting to recognize uh oh, Trump has passed me.
I was mentioning a minute ago. My mom texted me.
She said I wasn't just pack your lunch. My grandma
also said, take a canteen full of water and just
go off and ride on a horse wherever you want
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to go all day long on long Chattanooga summer days.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. A lot
of different people wanting to weigh in eight hundred and
two two eight A two as we are rolling in
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to the weekend, and this is the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws.
But also I feel like we should just be coming
back in on the fiftieth anniversary with that iconic soundtrack
from Jaws every single segment here because I would submit
to you it's probably the most iconic soundtrack that has
ever existed. John Williams, am I correct about that, was
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the creator of that soundtrack, And I feel like it's
what Barack Obama is hearing in the back of his
mind every time he sees Donald Trump with another press
conference in the White House, that his legacy is just
slowly being devoured by Trump. And look, it remains to
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be seen. And I think the conversation is going to
shift in the wake of the midterms. Whatever happens in
the midterms, the conversation is going to turn to, Okay,
what is Trump's long range legacy because He's gonna undoubtedly
have dominated the American body politic from twenty fifteen till
(20:17):
twenty twenty nine. But if jad Vance or Marco Rubio
or someone who is in the Trump school is the
next man up or the next woman up who knows
towards being elected president of the United States, and I
think that's likely to happen because I think Democrats are
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so lost, then the Trump legacy is only going to
continue to grow. And that's where I think the twenty
twenty four election. You guys know I'm a history nerd.
The twenty twenty four election ended the Trump is an
accidental president narrative, because that's what they tried to say, Oh,
twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He kind of snuck up on people. They never saw
him come.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Hillary should have campaigned more in Michigan, in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
He only won that election by a tiny amount. Oh
this is just Democrats were asleep at the wheel. And
then Biden gets elected and they try to put Trump
in prison for the rest of his life. And then
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he comes back and he wins the greatest Republican presidential
victory since.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I mean, I think that is the greatest Republican presidential
victory since nineteen eighty eight. It turned Trump into a
transformative political figure that even his critics can't disavow. They
really can't argue against it now. And I don't think
anything that happens in this term is going to change
the fact that Trump is the most consequential and transformative
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American presidential contender and candidate and president of the twenty
first century. And I think Obama is slowly coming to
realization with that. And I also think the sort of
the artifice of the Obamas is kind of being torn
down because whatever you think about Barack, you know, he
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talked a lot about, oh, we need more common facts
and everything else. I would love for Obama, who I
always found to be most likable, whatever you think about
him presidentially, because he raised two young daughters while still
being in the White House, and he coached their basketball team.
You guys, remember this, This was you know, leave aside
(22:40):
everything else. I found two things Obama as a dad
to me, I thought was the best version of Obama
just in terms of his public persona.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And there were two things.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
One he coached his girls' basketball team, the young girls
basketball team, and on that aspect it how has no
one ever asked Obama, you had two daughters, what do
you think about men pretending to be women playing and
winning women's sports championships? He gets interviewed all the time,
(23:12):
never asked by the way, Joe Biden was never asked
that question. Now I know Biden tried to hide from
the media. Kamala Harris was never asked that question. If
you wonder about Democrat Party and big media legacy media collusion,
sometimes you can just see it by the questions themselves
(23:34):
being asked. How is it possible that Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
and Kamala Harris have never been asked what they think
about men in women's sports, No one has ever thought
to ask that question. They certainly have never addressed it
on their own, But no opposition figure in the media
(23:58):
that's trying to speak truth to power and ask questions
of people in positions no one's ever asked that question.
Is that remarkable when you really think about it. I
bet if when Obama was coaching his ten year old daughter,
if there had suddenly been a fourteen year old boy
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trying to play in their league, he would have.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Been like, no, no, no, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I think dad of two daughters who played sports, Obama
actually thinks this is ridiculous. But he's talking about the
importance of speaking honestly to audience and how we've lost trust.
Why won't he speak out on that. I think it's
a really interesting question because I would submit to you,
(24:44):
and I really do believe this is true. Even in
this Iran and Iraq debate. It isn't that you have
to agree with Trump on everything. It's that you believe
that he will be straight with you about what he believes.
(25:06):
What matters more than whether you agree with someone in
this era that we're in right now is whether you
think they are being authentic about what they believe with you,
and I would submit to you for any man that
is in the Democrat Party right now, certainly any heterosexual man.
If they are unwilling to say men shouldn't be in
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women's sports, they're lying to you. And if you're not
willing to take that stand because you're afraid of what
the blowback may be, then I can't trust you on
anything else. But one Obama coaching his daughters two and
I always think this is good. When his daughters were
going to prom, I don't remember the exact quote, but
they asked Obama, hey, have you weighed in on basically
(25:51):
who your daughters are going to going dating or who
they're going to prom with? And he said, you know
something along the line. You know, I'm President of the
United States. I have to make super important decisions every day.
My daughters think my opinion on boys are completely ridiculous.
And the reason why I like both of those things
is they have nothing to do with being president of
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the United States, but they humanize him as a normal guy.
I've talked about this with Trump. I thought they did
a great job with this. In twenty twenty four. Trump
has a phenomenal relationship with his grandkids. He really does.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They like him. When they interact with him, you can
tell how much they enjoy being around him. He is
a very likable and involved grandpa. You know Laura Trump,
his daughter in law. Trump took his youngest daughter. I
think it was in North Carolina, the grandparents to school day.
(26:48):
I don't know what it's officially called. Probably grandparents to
school day. My own parents have done that. Trump walks
in little girl, holding her hand. We didn't see as
much of that in Trump one point zho. I think
they leaned into it on Trump two point zero, because one,
he's probably gotten a little bit older. But two, I
think Trump got more comfortable with that aspect of his personality.
(27:12):
Trump has a really good relationship with his kids and
a very good relationship with his grandkids, irrespective of his
particular politics. I think that humanizes him, and I think
that connects with the larger American public in a good way,
because he's also a dad and a grandpa. And I
think that, even though he has a great deal of power,
(27:34):
connects in a very positive way there. But sometimes when
people start talking and they talk more and more, you
realize how much they were protected by the legacy media,
and they weren't actually very likable ever, and I think
that's becoming true of Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I had him pull a clip. I don't know why
she needed to do a podcast. Michelle Obama has been
probably the most protected person in all of American presidential
politics in my life, in that no one was ever
able to say, by and large, anything at all negative
about her. And the more she has spoken out in
(28:15):
the post presidency, the more ungrateful, the more unlikable she
has been. I said this at the time when she
didn't show up for Jimmy Carter's presidential funeral, I thought
it was an insult to the country.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
To me, I get it, it stinks.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You may not have a personal relationship with Jimmy Carter
very much, but to me, you owe the American public
a display of the barest, barest minimum of gratitude to
show up at a funeral like that. Barack Obama showed up.
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She wasn't willing to, And then she said, well, I
didn't even want them to pack me address, so I
didn't even have to worry about it, Like you can't
even pack your own dress. She is so out of
touch and so frankly unlikable that every time a new
episode of her podcast drops, her likability goes down even more.
(29:16):
And here she is, I think this just came out
this week. If I'm not mistaken, guys, you can correct me.
Here she is saying she's glad she had daughters because
otherwise she would have had a son and he might
have been like Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Listen, you should have threw a boy in the mix.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm so glad I didn't have a boy, yet he
would have been a Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
No, I would have felt for him.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I mean, your husband was the President of the United States.
You had two daughters. Oh, I didn't want to have
a son because he would have been like my husband.
You mean, the guy who got elected President of the
United States and went to Harvard Law School and was
the editor of the Harvard Law Review. Whatever you think
(30:04):
about Obama, like way smarter than Joe Biden, way smarter
than Kamala Harris. I wouldn't have wanted to have a
son that was like my husband. Really, the more Michelle
Obama speaks, the sadder I feel for Barack Obama for
having to be married to her. She doesn't seem like
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a very fun person to be around. She seems like
an entitled, arrogant brat, and think about how much she
was protected by the legacy media people over time. One
reason that it's hard to attack me is because when
(30:46):
you do live radio for three hours every day, you're
not gonna be perfect, but you can't act.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I would have to be the.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Greatest actor in the history of mankind to come on
this show and pretend to be something that is different
from what I am in the real world. If you
had my wife on this program and asked her, hey,
when Clay started doing radio, I guarantee you she would
(31:16):
answer this, how nervous were you? And she said all
the time? She would say all the time, I was
insanely nervous the sports talk radio.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Because she was so afraid.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
When she listened, she would cringe because she would be like, oh,
you can't say that on radio. There is almost no
difference between what public opinions I would share with all
of you millions people listening right now, and what I
would say if you happen to be having a meal
with me. There is very little difference between Clay Travis
(31:50):
on the radio. I think Buck would say the same
thing for better or worse, and Clay Travis'.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Real life.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
And authenticity destroys cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
They tried to cancel Trump.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The problem is people have gotten to know him and
you may not agree with him, but there isn't very
much difference between public and private Trump, and so the
attacks don't register. You know, they found before Biden dropped out,
they were running all these attack ads on Trump and
they were testing them and they found that they actually
(32:25):
benefited Trump. That's a sign that's pretty incredible when they're
running ads talking about how awful you are and people
are watching them and it actually makes them like Trump more.
And I think the reason why was people decided, yeah,
this guy's being attacked too much. They're coming after him
too aggressively, and it isn't actually in any way.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Legitimate.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And so I think the more we hear of Michelle Obama,
who didn't speak very much publicly before and was protected,
and they you know, probably negotiate.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Every interview she did, and they knew.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Exactly what dress they were gonna put her in, because
god forbid, she actually dressed herself, and they knew exactly
what the lighting was gonna be. And they knew the
seven questions they were gonna ask her, and now on
a podcast which is somewhat unscripted, it's still not live, right,
So if she really truly is unlikable in a segment,
(33:23):
they can just erase it and you never see it,
or they can go full Megan Markle and they cannot
even have That's actually very funny.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
People just kind of forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
My wife hates Megan Markle, listens to all the British
podcasts about how awful Meghan Markle is to me. I
thought the funniest thing about Megan Markle's podcast that who
was she doing the podcast with?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Was it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Spotify? Whoever she did that deal with. She had so
little respect for podcasting that the reports are that other
people asked the questions of the people she was supposed
to interview, and she later went back in and recorded
the questions and they inserted it made it look like
she had actually done the interview. Now I think they
have denied that, but there's also people who said, yeah, yeah,
(34:07):
she did that. Can you imagine taking twenty million dollars
for a podcast and not even being willing to sit
and ask the questions yourself. That is the bare minimum.
Somebody could just give you a list of questions and
you just have to sit there for an hour and
ask it of whatever ignoramus you're interviewing.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
She wasn't even willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The more Michelle Obama talks, this is one Buck was
right about. I thought she was likable. I bought into, Hey,
she's got to be better than Kamala Harris. I think
Michelle Obama is actually way less likable than Kamala Harris.
I do, and I think many people out there are
seeing the figment, the dishonest coverage that allowed Michelle Obama
(34:53):
to be built up into this paragon of virtue, and
actually she's just an entitled brat. And the more she talks,
the more I feel sorry for Barack Obama for having
to live with her.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I really do.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we are rolling
into the final hour of the week, lots of fun coming.
Is that the Jaws theme music in the background there
is that what I hear. We're gonna let you hear
this as we go to break. I'm gonna have some
(36:27):
fun with the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws in this final hour.
I want you to picture Barack Obama just swimming comfortably
off a Hawaiian beach.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know, Jaws was the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
And Donald Trump slowly advancing on every legacy that he
created and usurping him as the most important and transformative
president of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We'll have some fun Jaws next
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