November 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the political, cultural, and economic headlines shaping America under the leadership of President Donald Trump. This hour opens with a major update on the end of the historic 40-day government shutdown, highlighting bipartisan Senate action and the political fallout for Democratic leadership, particularly Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. The hosts analyze how the shutdown, intended to challenge President Trump, ultimately backfired—strengthening his position and exposing fractures within the Democratic Party. The conversation shifts to the 2025 air travel crisis, with thousands of flight cancellations and delays nationwide, which added pressure to resolve the shutdown. The hosts also explore the broader implications of the shutdown on public perception, especially as it relates to Trump’s growing influence and the internal Democratic divide between establishment figures like Schumer and progressive challengers like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. A major segment focuses on healthcare policy and the future of Obamacare, with in-depth criticism of how Democrats have handled healthcare reform. The hosts argue that the Affordable Care Act has empowered insurance companies and failed to deliver meaningful improvements, potentially setting the stage for a push toward a single-payer system. A retired healthcare executive calls in to offer a free-market solution, emphasizing the need to reduce government control and restore physician autonomy. In a cultural pivot, the show covers President Trump’s surprise appearance at an NFL game, where he flew over in Air Force One and joined the Fox Sports broadcast booth. Trump’s commentary on football, his high school playing days, and interactions with players like Drew Brees are discussed as emblematic of his growing cultural acceptance. The hosts highlight how athletes, including the Detroit Lions, celebrated Trump with the now-viral “Trump dance,” signaling a shift in how young men and sports figures view the president. This hour also explores the long-term cultural impact of Trump’s presidency, particularly among Gen Z males who have grown up with Trump as a dominant figure. The hosts compare Trump’s cultural imprint to that of Ronald Reagan, suggesting that Trumpism may define a generation’s political identity. Additional topics include: The political vulnerability of Senator John Ossoff in Georgia. The strategic missteps of Democrats in swing states. The media’s double standard in covering Trump’s public appearances. The legacy of Trump’s White House renovations, including the controversial ballroom project.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back in hour number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are breaking down the news of the weekend and beyond.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Biggest news is.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That we finally are going to have an end too
the incredibly unsuccessful government shutdown that has been going on
for forty days. It appears that it will be over
officially on Thursday. The shutdown already underway as eight different
Democrat senators have joined all of the Republican senators. We
(00:40):
had to get to sixty in order for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Unfortunately, the air travel disruption situation, I'm looking at it
right now on Fox News, Buck. There are three thousand
nearly flights that have been canceled today, over eleven thousand delays,
So if you are trying to travel right now, this
is frankly a complete mess all over the country. As
(01:09):
I think a big part of why we finally got
this resolution was because Democrats have recognized one they're not
going to get anything accomplished, and two we are now
passed the no King's Day and Election in Virginia. But
a third part of this is a lot of people
were and have become super frustrated overall with everything going
(01:33):
on relating to air traffic delays, and so that is
where we are positive news. In fact, I believe we
have audio from Senator Angus King who went on MSNBC
and said, Hey, yeah, by the way, it turns out
that the decision to not open the government to shut down.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Made everything more full as it pertains to all things Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Can we play that cut from earlier today on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Please?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You have to go back to what the strategy was
at the beginning of the shutdown. There were two goals,
both of which I support. One was standing up to
Donald Trump. The other was getting some resolution on the
ACA premium tax credit issue. The problem was the shutdown
wasn't accomplishing either goals, and there was practically, well it
was zero likelihood that it was going to In terms
(02:29):
of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually gave
him more power, exhibit A being what he's done with
Snap and Snap benefits across the country. Oh, by the way, Joe,
you're going to love this. Guess who's getting paid during
the shutdown? Not the park rangers or air traffic controllers.
The ICE agents under special law under that big awful
(02:52):
bill that they passed last summer. The ICE agents are
being paid. Nobody else is. So standing up to Donald
Trump did work. It actually gave him more power.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, so Angus King going on with MSNBC and saying, hey,
we've actually ended up in a situation where President Trump
has more power than he would otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Also, by the way, Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Is continuing, he is meeting with the new president of Syria.
Underrated aspect of foreign diplomacy that has not gotten a
ton of attention was normalizing relations with Syria helped to
create more Mid East peace because everybody was lining up
against Iran and giving a nod towards the new government
(03:39):
in Syria. Helped with the relationships with other Middle Eastern
countries as it pertains to all of that. Stock market
not surprisingly buck up substantially as the government shutdown comes down,
and now the big battle has become Democrat senators. Everybody
is pointing the finger at Chuck sh U. So question
(04:01):
for you, where does Chuck Schumer go from here? And
let me give you the scenarios. He's got AOC really
after him on the left flank, and that was I
think a huge part of the motivation for why he
decided to allow this shutdown to take place as well.
Now eight senators on the right are coming forward and
(04:22):
saying this is ridiculous. We're not getting anything. We have
to go back and open the government back up. We're
getting too much blowback, We're not getting anything. This is
a negative overall for the party. Where does this leave
Chuck Schumer because we play to be a lot of
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is he done? Like, how does his career end at
this point?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Chuck Schumer's chief comms guy, Okay, here we go. This
doesn't look good for Chuck right now. Here's what's going
to happen though. He's going to go into this next
year gearing up for the midterms, doing a lot of fundraising,
a lot of pressing of the palms. What he's gonna
say is, guys, I thought I thought you got it.
You know, you can't have these upstarts like AOC. They
(05:05):
don't know the game so important that we take control
of at least the House in this midterm election. And
I know, and I'm going to fight in the Senate
and I'm Chuck Schumer. He's created the narrative to allow
him to go to the you know, ten thousand dollars
or plate dinners or whatever it is, in order to
present himself as the resistance against Trump. The people will
(05:28):
forget and this may sound cynical, but I think it's
quite obviously true. People will forget that this was much
ado about nothing, and he will turn it into Oh,
I stood and fought and we got some concessions out
of Trump when we were in the minority. Just wait
till we actually have a majority in Congress. Give me money,
Chuck Schumer. That's the whole thing that's going to be
(05:50):
the pitch.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So he's going to create a narrative out of this
that ignores the truth of what really happened here. The
best asset that he has, by the way, I feel
like that's pretty good for Schumer spokesman.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Not so much.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I think the best asset that Schumer has is that
AOC doesn't actually want to be a senator. That's my
she wants to be president. I don't think she sees
that much difference in being a House of Representative member
or a senator there is, but I think her aspirations
are higher here.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Senate's an excellent stepping stone, especially for Democrats. That's how
they always see it. Remember, Democrats like to have senators run,
We like to have governors run.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, So question then in that context, and I don't
know that anybody's even uh talked about this, Mam Donnie.
We know he could be governor one day, he could
be senator one day. That's the apex of his power.
You can argue New York City mayor is a higher
level of office than senator or governor would be. Is
there a world where Mom Donnie decides to challenge Chuck
(06:54):
Schumer if AOC is running for president and we know
that Mam Donnie can't run for president because he was
born in Uganda. I'm just trying to play it out
for Schumer. A lot of these results bucked to me
end with Schumer not running for reelection next year. The
problem with that is, what else does Chuck Schumer have
going on such that he would give up power at
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seventy five or seventy six years old, which is young
compared to Nancy Pelosi who went all the way up
to eighty five. And again that's depending on who has control,
because if you're in the minority, that's not necessarily very enjoyable.
I'm told from people who you know work day to
day in the Senate, when is.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
When is Schumer up? When is his turn next year?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right? Next year?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So he's up, So I mean by January or February
of next year, right, meaning like four months from now,
we'll start to find out whether anybody is actually going
to primary him or not. I'm not sure what the
filing deadline is in New York, but he's terrified AOC
is going to primary him. My thought is AOC doesn't
(08:00):
actually want to be senator, although maybe to your point,
she thinks, hey, I can be SoRs not up.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
For re election next year.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought he was up in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No no, no, no, no, no, okay, he's.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Up in twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, and yeah he's up in he's up in twenty eight.
So that's this is but this is all right, now,
maybe you do want to hire me as Schumer spokesman, Clay.
He just goes into the fundraising cycle for next year.
No one's even good by the time he's up, no
one's even gonna remember this challenge from his h his
left flank. I always thought that was a little overblown
as an explanation for this. I think that they realized
(08:32):
the real problem is that with Obama, they got to
shore up the boat is taking taking on water with
Obamacare in a big way, and that causes big problems
for them on the healthcare front. And twenty and in
the midterms, healthcare was the quiet issue. Wasn't really that quiet,
but healthcare was the issue in twenty eighteen that delivered
(08:52):
the Democrats a big win.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Overwhelmingly.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It was healthcare that they said was what was h
you know, propelling them for forward.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, that's why I said in the last hour, I
think the issue they could have going forward is they
may well have created real obstacles for themselves on the
only issue that really they show up in a positive vein.
Now I know people, the economy is just it's a
negative frankly for everybody because there's just a lot of
(09:24):
unhappy people, border crime, very positive Trump issues. I think
the economy by next year is going to be a
Trump issue if Democrats don't have health care, if a
lot of people start to have the conversation that we
did last Hour where they look around and say, wait
a minute. The reason why healthcare companies have increasingly more
and more power is because the Democrats just gave them
(09:47):
hundreds of billions of dollars in handouts. I think a
lot of people might start to say, wait a minute,
Democrats have totally screwed this up and Obamacare has made
everything worse. And I think, to your point, the idea
with obama Care, honestly, it feels like it's designed to
fail so that they can just to your point, say, hey,
government's got to take over everything otherwise everybody's going to die,
(10:10):
which is.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
That was always that was always the opposition to Obamacare
from the start was that the way it was constructed
was destined to fail, but that failure would lead to
a single payer system, which is Medicare for all, which
is what Bertie Sanders is always saying. Which you want
to talk about out of control costs and blowed in
bureaucracy and waiting. I mean, you know, if the government
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is writing all the checks for everybody's health care and
you have something like this in the UK where the
government also controls the output of healthcare right National Health Service,
which means that not only are they paying for it,
but they are the deliverers of the product, and the
NHS has blown an enormous hole in the UK economy
for decades. The whole thing's a disaster. I thought this
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was interesting, though, Clay that of the eight Senate Democrats
who have voted to end the shutdown, none of them
are up for reelection next year. So the thing that
they have going for, the thing that they all have
in common, is that they're not facing angry AOC leftists
next year because it's a it's a pretty wide You
got Dick Durbin out of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Several of those guys too are stepping down buck like
Seth Raheen, like they're just they're just waving on their
way up.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
So these are the Democrats that it's safe for them
to stop the mat is quartes masto. Nevada, Well, you
got a purple state there, but she's not up next year,
you know, uh to Tim Kaine or Virginia, Angus King
of Maine, Jackie Rose in Nevada, Jean Shaheen New Hampshire,
none of them are up.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I think that's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The most vulnerable incumbent in fact is John Ossoff, who
next year Georgians will be deciding, hey, are we going
to reelect this guy? There's a primary battle underway to
figure out who the Republican nominee is going to be.
He supported this and Georgia you talk about a state
that is truly up for grabs. All of the elections
in Georgia have been very close, notwithstanding the statewide when
(12:03):
that Brian kempad that was so substantial in twenty twenty two,
but yeah, in twenty twenty six. As off is up
next year, he's probably the only sitting and incumbent that
would be in true peril in terms of potentially getting
beaten in a normal election cycle where it doesn't drastically
favor one side or the other. And he voted to
(12:26):
continue the shutdown, and he's been voting in favor of
men and women's sports, and so he's really out of
touch with the overall voters of Georgia. Now the question
will be what does the electorate look like in you know,
eleven months there. But it is interesting to me that
he bent the knee and stayed committed to the far
(12:49):
left wing even in a very middle of the road state.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Clay.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You know what they say. There are a lot of
quarters of baseball left here, so a lot of time,
a lot of time between now in that next election,
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springtime talking healthcare, but get some of your calls and
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your thoughts on that. I did think this was interesting
play because we call balls and strikes here based on reality.
One of the these days I would say unique selling
propositions of this show is that we just see things
that are happening and say what we think or what
we know to be true about those things. And that
(14:42):
is in short supply these days in a lot of
places in the media. And that includes the completely manufactured
freak out about the Trump ballroom situation, where there was
a whole week of news cycle where people look, oh,
my gosh, he's destroying all the history of the White House.
It's terrible, and anybody who actually knows the White House
is like, well, it's kind of a dingy area that
(15:04):
he was getting rid of, and they actually need to
do something here. And none other than mister Bill Maher,
who does come hang out with us in Sanityville sometimes
always well, everyone's always welcome in Sanityville. Here he is saying,
look the freak out over the trump ballroom. That was
just nonsense. It's actually a good idea play seven.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I don't give a I really don't give ah. I
was reading it shows you like how the media is,
everything is always on one side or the other. When
he first mentioned it, it was like all about, oh
my god, he's desecrating the White House. Then I finally read, oh, well,
you know they've done to the white House before. It's
just a building. I think also, like I realized after
(15:46):
reading other people, we don't have a place when they
have state dinners.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They're doing it in an attent. This is America.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So do I give that he's doing this to the
White House?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, look here.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Always in money, Yeah, you know kind of Newson wants
to knock it down when.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's president and get savior, ire for the things that matter.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
That was uncle Bill there. He'll be with us on Thursday.
By the way, he had a very strong appearance on
on Bill Marshaw Bill Riiley. I always enjoy talking to
to Uncle Bill, but he was weighing in there at
the end. But Clay, anybody who's looking at the situation
of the ballroom honestly would say, yeah, actually, this is
gonna be great for future administrations too. This is a
(16:31):
smart thing to do. Objectively.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, And look, I mean, if you're a history person,
there have been so many adjustments made, so many renovations
made to the White House over the years, the Truman
Balcony and everything that Harry Truman did. He basically took
the White House down to the studs. And what Trump
is trying to do here is going to benefit every
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administration for a long time to come. And I would
think just purely from a security aspect, when you consider
all of the heads of state having to come in
and out, the difficulties associated with tinting the lawn and
everything that builds around it, this is just a no brainer.
And Trump is has decided basically that in a relatively
(17:22):
short period of time he's going to address everything. He's
just going to find problems and he's going to solve them.
I think he was impressed to find out that somehow
there's not major zoning restrictions on the White House, because
as a builder, one of the most frustrating things you
have to deal with is all the different regulatory approvals.
And he just jumped right in and said, Hey, I'm
(17:43):
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(19:24):
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discussion points, my world's colliding. I'm sitting watching the NFL
and suddenly.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Trump is in the booth breaking down the game.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Here he is talking about Joe Namath back in the day,
Jets and Giants. By the way, the Giants just fired
their head football coach for those of you out there
that are WR listeners, long suffering Jets and Giants fans,
Jets fans especially, and talked to Drew Brees as well.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Cut nine, We'll take you back to the sixties. You
got the Jets, got Joe name, he got the cow.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
We had a lot of things, a lot of a
lot of interesting was your team. So I love the
Jets and I love the Giants. I had a lot
of friends Baptish and some people that owned the Giants
at the time. As we're going along and progressing, and
you know, look, we had a couple of Super Bowls
with the Giants. The Jets have been having a little
bit of a hard time.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
What.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
He's a great guy. He's a great friend of mine.
Get it together, yeah, take it a little time. Well,
I loved Joe Namath and it was a great talent.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
He had that arm. His legs weren't so good, but
his arm made up for it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's all you need at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
When you talk about a quick release. He hadn't he did,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Was the President Jonathan first round ground pick by the Jets. Wow,
two thousand and I.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Got traded and the rest is history. I got that.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Beautiful baby right there.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's pretty nice and traded, so I know all about it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right then.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Also Buck, he discussed let's see, they brought up Trump's
high school football career, put up a picture of him
from when he was in high school.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Here was cut eleven.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But we had a good time, and I loved it.
I actually loved playing football.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
We had a good time with him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So we were trying to look up your stats, and
we wanted so many touchdowns did you have back then?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So I'm not sure I had any.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Sad a long time ago, but I know at least
you realized that I never tell a lie. Right, That's
very good. I haven't seen that picture.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Tack and Buck. Culturally, I thought it was impactful. The
Detroit Lions scored a touchdown. Uh, they ended up winning
the game, blue out Washington. Detroit's got a really good
football team the last few years, believe it or not
for long suffering Lions fans. And they did the Trump
dance on the field and pointed it up to Trump
(22:07):
in the in the owner suite as a part of
the celebration. And so it just feels like again culturally
in Trump one point zero. They would have never thought
about putting him in the broadcast booth during an NFL game,
letting him call the game, and then also the players
on the field doing the Trump dance. Some people might say, Okay, well,
(22:30):
how does this matter. I do think it's significant culturally
in the overall impact that it has created both athletes, coaches, owners,
and even the media networks being more comfortable just embracing Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
The number one comment that I got Clay when I
reached that nigh impossible goal of one hundred and three
mile an hour serve as a middle aged man with
a bad shoulder and a bad ankle, was why didn't
you do the Trump dance and celebrate? And to that
I did not have a good response that, in retrospect,
the only thing that could have made that one hundred
(23:06):
and three mon hour serve that much sweeter would have
been a Trump dance right afterwards, the Trump dance iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It is, and I mean again it's crossed the I
think it's emblematic and reflective of young men and how
they have come to see Trump as in some way
their avatar. And I was having a conversation with somebody
over the weekend. By the way, thank you for everybody
who bought the book Balls, that is still out in
(23:36):
stores everywhere. Over a thousand of you got autographed copies.
Those are headed out to you. But we had this
conversation and I wrote about it in the book. I
know it's hard to see the world through people's eyes
that are way younger than you, But for just a moment,
imagine that you are a fourteen or fifteen or sixteen
(23:59):
year old boy. There's almost not a world where Trump
hasn't been a huge figure in your life. Trump came
down the escalator back in twenty fifteen, and to a
lot of us out there, twenty fifteen to twenty twenty five,
it feels like it passed in the snap of your fingers.
But I've got a fifteen year old He basically has
(24:21):
not lived in a world that he can remember where
Trump is not the signature figure on the entire stage
of American life. And that has become the case for
a lot of kids out there. And so for those
of you who grew up when Ronald Reagan was president,
or maybe you grew up, you know, when somebody has
(24:41):
a decent tenure on the stage, maybe it was Bill
Clinton being president, maybe it was Barack Obama. Those formative
years can really impact the way that you see the world.
And I'll give you an example of this connecting with
Trump being in the in the press box there Buck
there was a study that came out recently and I
read it and I said, you know what, this makes
total sense, and I bet it will reflect even your experience.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Not even being a huge sports fan.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
They say that you become or don't become a die
hard sports fan primarily between.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The ages of eight and twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You pick your team, you are committed to them for
the rest of your life. You might live to be ninety,
but the ages of eight to twelve are so impactful
in terms of you remember them far better. And I
think about that now as I get older and I've
tried to spend as much time with my kids as
I can. I would encourage you certainly as your boys
(25:36):
start to get older. Kids remember what they did when
they were ten way better than they do what happens
to them at thirty or twenty five. Those formative years,
if you remember, if you can take yourself back, the
difference between when you were in fourth grade and fifth
grade felt huge the oldest in elementary school. The difference
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between seventh and eighth grade, those years in print on
us in a way that doesn't happen as you become
an adult. And so I think the positivity associated with
Trump is just now starting to resonate from him being
on the national stage for ten years.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Think about it, by the.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Time we get to twenty twenty nine, they're going to
be eighteen year old kids coming out to vote in
twenty twenty eight that can't even remember a world where
Donald Trump was not a formative figure in American life.
And I think that branding that is happening for a
lot of these young men is connected to Trump, and
one of the challenges is going to be taking it
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to the next generation in whatever happens in twenty eight
I've already started to think about this because I do
become deeply nostalgic for the late eighties, which I remember,
you know, you were getting out of grad school. But
the late eighties was a time that great movies, great
cultural stuff, but also Reaganism and how I came of
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age in American politics with Reagan as the the thing
and people. I'm not trying to get into this discussion
or argue with anybody, but Reagan was like the greatness
by which all other Republicans of the era would be
judged or should be judged.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You know, we need a return to Reaganism. I've already
started to think about this in twenty years or people
would be like, oh, Trump really was the guy who
got it, understood it culturally, turned the cut.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think the answer is yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think that in twenty years people will be speaking
about Trump the way that in the year nineteen ninety
eight people were speaking about Reagan.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes, I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And I think people, I think this is why these
people could say, well, why do I care if Trump's
in the broadcast booth, Why do I care if athletes
are doing the Trump dance? You win with culture and
what I saw in trump one point, oh Buck, was
everybody was terrified.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
To even admit publicly that they had voted Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And now you've got athletes, white, black, Asian, Hispanic celebrating
Trump on the field, whether it's soccer, whether it's UFC,
whether it's the NFL. And I think, and I've made
this argument, and I haven't heard a real aggressive pushback
against it. I think it's not athletes seeing Trump and
responding in that way. I think it is just young men,
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and the athletes are a reflection of the way that
young men feel about Trump, as opposed to it being
directly athletic. And you want to talk about culture, Remember
Trump one point zero was all feuding about whether athletes should.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Stand for the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Now they're having him in the press box to talk
about Veterans Day. That's, by the way, why he was
at the at the game, because they had a great
Veterans Day and he actually swore in a bunch of soldiers.
Now there was booing whose oh, what are you gonna
talk about the book?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, it's Washington, d C. It's Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Are you surprised that people who overwhelmingly are federal employees
would boot the president during a shutdown, even while he
is swearing in a new batch of soldiers. No, I'm not,
But I do think it's interesting how whenever there is
negative attention on the president, it becomes an ap head
story and when everybody cheers, as has happened at most
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of these sporting events, they just pretend it's not an
actual story. But it is to me culturally significant. Trump
did a good job. He actually said at the end
of the broadcast, I'd like to have your job one day,
to the to the broadcasters that interviewed him.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't want the president to get any ideas, but
he is the only president in my lifetime that he
could sit down and do three hours of radio no problem,
and he'd be.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Good at it.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It's a lot of effort. In time, I think he
would grow tired of it. It's a lot of energy.
But I'm just saying he has that persona and that
entertainment slash communication ability back Obama couldn't do a three
hour Barack Obama would run out of things to say
pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I know, I couldn't have done a fifteen minute interview
with us that show.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, he couldn't be a guest on the show for
five minutes. I mean Biden was a total mess, you know.
Bush people said he was domb He wasn't dumb. I've
always pointed that out to people. He wasn't a dumb guy.
He can say a lot of other things about it,
but he couldn't do a radio show. I mean, it's
a particular skill set and you and I know the
skill set because we've now been doing this for for
you know, almost two going on two decades. Trump could
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do a three hour radio show. Yes, I know very
few politicians across the board who could pull that off.
So the fact that he was actually pretty good at
play by play or you know, calling her from the
booth is not a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No, he would be very good at it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I give credit to Fox Sports for putting him on,
and I'm curious to see how much criticism there will
be because this is like the ultimate fear of everybody.
During Trump one point zero, the idea was, how dare
you platform Adolf Hitler? And now you know, Adolf Hitler's
just hanging out telling us about the importance of different
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Speaker 4 (32:19):
Now, I want to get to some of your calls
and your talk facts and your emails and more we have.
Let's see what we've.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Got here, Bill and Michigan bucket.
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Speaker 5 (32:46):
So it's easy to bash hospitals, physicians, health insurance companies.
And I just wanted to make a couple of points
I'm an almost fifty year healthcare executive hospital administrator, grateful
that I'm retired, but I just want to make a
couple points. The problems with healthcare all go back to
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nineteen sixty five when the federal government created Medicare and
Medicaid basically nationalize the rules, and everything since then has
been dictated by them, including the way doctors practice, the
way health insurance companies work, and the way hospitals and
healthcare providers communicate their charges, fees, all that.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It's a mess, and I love to talk about it
because I can talk about it and layman terms that
most people can understand.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So if you had a magic wand and we were
just trying to design healthcare that would work better for
the average American, what would it look like.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well, I've got a lot of ideas and I think
I could solve it, but it wouldn't be popular because
no one wants that. I would say, it's almost impossible
to unbake the cake that was created back in nineteen
sixty five, and the politicians have convinced us all that
healthcare is are right and you should get whatever you
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want whenever you want it. To me The solution is
go back to the free market, if you limited liability
so that if a doctor made a mistake or didn't
order the right task, they weren't sued, and put the
physicians back in charge of making decisions. They can ration,
they can tell you, tell the patient what they really need.
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You got to trust your physicians. But no one would
ever accept that we're going to end up with a
nationalized health insurance program like England and Canada by default
because it's going to collapse.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Totally looks Look, we totally agree with you, by the way,
And also I want to be clear, I don't ever
blame blame doctors. In fact, the doctors that I know
are victims of the system very much in the same
way that a lot of patients are, and that they
want to do. I was just talking to a doctor
Clay last week as a friend of mine, and he says, look,
I know I've had to just cut back and change
things with how i can see patients because the insurers
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are having him see forty patients a day. I'm like,
how do you even see forty patients in a day? Yeah,
thirty five to forty patients a day. How much time
can you spend, he said, not enough time. It's not
as much time as I want to. He actually wants
to help people. But the way that they structure these
things because of the way that the you know, the
people that are using the what is the green eyeshadow,
(35:30):
green eye shade, whatever you call it, you know, looking
at the costs and looking at the expenses. But we
need to get back to an actual insurance system. We
don't have insurance. We have something else.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, and he points out by the way to something significant,
which is one reason why doctors order so many tests
is to try to prevent from getting sued if a
small minority.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Chance they miss something.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So we actually over over medicate and over bill. We
could probably cut half of all the medical treatment and
not impact it in any way results.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
We'll talk more about the aftermath here, not quite after math,
because it's still technically shut down, but the ending the
final days we believe of this government shutdown, the longest
one in history, clay, which is pretty noteworthy, already the
longest in history. And we'll also take a look at
some other aspects of the New York City election fallout,
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the tariff situation, what's the sucreme Coort going to do
on that, what's the economy looking like, and basically just
going to make sense of everything. We're just going to
solve all the problems played.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's what we got coming up for you next Monday edition,
as the shutdown inches closer to being over once and
for all.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome back in hour number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are breaking down the news of the weekend and beyond.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Biggest news is.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
That we finally are going to have an end too
the incredibly unsuccessful government shutdown that has been going on
for forty days. It appears that it will be over
officially on Thursday. The shutdown already underway as eight different
Democrat senators have joined all of the Republican senators. We
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had to get to sixty in order for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Unfortunately, the air travel disruption situation, I'm looking at it
right now on Fox News, Buck. There are three thousand
nearly flights that have been canceled today, over eleven thousand delays,
So if you are trying to travel right now, this
is frankly a complete mess all over the country. As
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I think a big part of why we finally got
this resolution was because Democrats have recognized one they're not
going to get anything accomplished, and two we are now
passed the no King's Day and Election in Virginia. But
a third part of this is a lot of people
were and have become super frustrated overall with everything going
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on relating to air traffic delays, and so that is
where we are positive news. In fact, I believe we
have audio from Senator Angus King who went on MSNBC
and said, Hey, yeah, by the way, it turns out
that the decision to not open the government to shut down.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Made everything more full as it pertains to all things Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Can we play that cut from earlier today on MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Please?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You have to go back to what the strategy was
at the beginning of the shutdown. There were two goals,
both of which I support. One was standing up to
Donald Trump. The other was getting some resolution on the
ACA premium tax credit issue. The problem was the shutdown
wasn't accomplishing either goals, and there was practically, well it
was zero likelihood that it was going to In terms
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of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually gave
him more power, exhibit A being what he's done with
Snap and Snap benefits across the country. Oh, by the way, Joe,
you're going to love this. Guess who's getting paid during
the shutdown? Not the park rangers or air traffic controllers.
The ICE agents under special law under that big awful
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bill that they passed last summer. The ICE agents are
being paid. Nobody else is. So standing up to Donald
Trump did work. It actually gave him more power.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, so Angus King going on with MSNBC and saying, hey,
we've actually ended up in a situation where President Trump
has more power than he would otherwise.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Also, by the way, Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Is continuing, he is meeting with the new president of Syria.
Underrated aspect of foreign diplomacy that has not gotten a
ton of attention was normalizing relations with Syria helped to
create more Mid East peace because everybody was lining up
against Iran and giving a nod towards the new government
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in Syria. Helped with the relationships with other Middle Eastern
countries as it pertains to all of that. Stock market
not surprisingly buck up substantially as the government shutdown comes down,
and now the big battle has become Democrat senators. Everybody
is pointing the finger at Chuck sh U. So question
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for you, where does Chuck Schumer go from here? And
let me give you the scenarios. He's got AOC really
after him on the left flank, and that was I
think a huge part of the motivation for why he
decided to allow this shutdown to take place as well.
Now eight senators on the right are coming forward and
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saying this is ridiculous. We're not getting anything. We have
to go back and open the government back up. We're
getting too much blowback, We're not getting anything. This is
a negative overall for the party. Where does this leave
Chuck Schumer because we play to be a lot of
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is he done? Like, how does his career end at
this point?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Chuck Schumer's chief comms guy, Okay, here we go. This
doesn't look good for Chuck right now. Here's what's going
to happen though. He's going to go into this next
year gearing up for the midterms, doing a lot of fundraising,
a lot of pressing of the palms. What he's gonna
say is, guys, I thought I thought you got it.
You know, you can't have these upstarts like AOC. They
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don't know the game so important that we take control
of at least the House in this midterm election. And
I know, and I'm going to fight in the Senate
and I'm Chuck Schumer. He's created the narrative to allow
him to go to the you know, ten thousand dollars
or plate dinners or whatever it is, in order to
present himself as the resistance against Trump. The people will
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forget and this may sound cynical, but I think it's
quite obviously true. People will forget that this was much
ado about nothing, and he will turn it into Oh,
I stood and fought and we got some concessions out
of Trump when we were in the minority. Just wait
till we actually have a majority in Congress. Give me money,
Chuck Schumer. That's the whole thing that's going to be
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the pitch.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I think.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So he's going to create a narrative out of this
that ignores the truth of what really happened here. The
best asset that he has, by the way, I feel
like that's pretty good for Schumer spokesman.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Not so much.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I think the best asset that Schumer has is that
AOC doesn't actually want to be a senator. That's my
she wants to be president. I don't think she sees
that much difference in being a House of Representative member
or a senator there is, but I think her aspirations
are higher here.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Senate's an excellent stepping stone, especially for Democrats. That's how
they always see it. Remember, Democrats like to have senators run,
We like to have governors run.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, So question then in that context, and I don't
know that anybody's even uh talked about this, Mam Donnie.
We know he could be governor one day, he could
be senator one day. That's the apex of his power.
You can argue New York City mayor is a higher
level of office than senator or governor would be. Is
there a world where Mom Donnie decides to challenge Chuck
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Schumer if AOC is running for president and we know
that Mam Donnie can't run for president because he was
born in Uganda. I'm just trying to play it out
for Schumer. A lot of these results bucked to me
end with Schumer not running for reelection next year. The
problem with that is, what else does Chuck Schumer have
going on such that he would give up power at
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seventy five or seventy six years old, which is young
compared to Nancy Pelosi who went all the way up
to eighty five. And again that's depending on who has control,
because if you're in the minority, that's not necessarily very enjoyable.
I'm told from people who you know work day to
day in the Senate, when is.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
When is Schumer up? When is his turn next year?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right? Next year?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So he's up, So I mean by January or February
of next year, right, meaning like four months from now,
we'll start to find out whether anybody is actually going
to primary him or not. I'm not sure what the
filing deadline is in New York, but he's terrified AOC
is going to primary him. My thought is AOC doesn't
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actually want to be senator, although maybe to your point,
she thinks, hey, I can be SoRs not up.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
For re election next year.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought he was up in twenty six.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
No no, no, no, no, no, okay, he's.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Up in twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, and yeah he's up in he's up in twenty eight.
So that's this is but this is all right, now,
maybe you do want to hire me as Schumer spokesman, Clay.
He just goes into the fundraising cycle for next year.
No one's even good by the time he's up, no
one's even gonna remember this challenge from his h his
left flank. I always thought that was a little overblown
as an explanation for this. I think that they realized
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the real problem is that with Obama, they got to
shore up the boat is taking taking on water with
Obamacare in a big way, and that causes big problems
for them on the healthcare front. And twenty and in
the midterms, healthcare was the quiet issue. Wasn't really that quiet,
but healthcare was the issue in twenty eighteen that delivered
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the Democrats a big win.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Overwhelmingly.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It was healthcare that they said was what was h
you know, propelling them for forward.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, that's why I said in the last hour, I
think the issue they could have going forward is they
may well have created real obstacles for themselves on the
only issue that really they show up in a positive vein.
Now I know people, the economy is just it's a
negative frankly for everybody because there's just a lot of
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unhappy people, border crime, very positive Trump issues. I think
the economy by next year is going to be a
Trump issue if Democrats don't have health care, if a
lot of people start to have the conversation that we
did last Hour where they look around and say, wait
a minute. The reason why healthcare companies have increasingly more
and more power is because the Democrats just gave them
(09:47):
hundreds of billions of dollars in handouts. I think a
lot of people might start to say, wait a minute,
Democrats have totally screwed this up and Obamacare has made
everything worse. And I think, to your point, the idea
with obama Care, honestly, it feels like it's designed to
fail so that they can just to your point, say, hey,
government's got to take over everything otherwise everybody's going to die,
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which is.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
That was always that was always the opposition to Obamacare
from the start was that the way it was constructed
was destined to fail, but that failure would lead to
a single payer system, which is Medicare for all, which
is what Bertie Sanders is always saying. Which you want
to talk about out of control costs and blowed in
bureaucracy and waiting. I mean, you know, if the government
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is writing all the checks for everybody's health care and
you have something like this in the UK where the
government also controls the output of healthcare right National Health Service,
which means that not only are they paying for it,
but they are the deliverers of the product, and the
NHS has blown an enormous hole in the UK economy
for decades. The whole thing's a disaster. I thought this
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was interesting, though, Clay that of the eight Senate Democrats
who have voted to end the shutdown, none of them
are up for reelection next year. So the thing that
they have going for, the thing that they all have
in common, is that they're not facing angry AOC leftists
next year because it's a it's a pretty wide You
got Dick Durbin out of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Several of those guys too are stepping down buck like
Seth Raheen, like they're just they're just waving on their
way up.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
So these are the Democrats that it's safe for them
to stop the mat is quartes masto. Nevada, Well, you
got a purple state there, but she's not up next year,
you know, uh to Tim Kaine or Virginia, Angus King
of Maine, Jackie Rose in Nevada, Jean Shaheen New Hampshire,
none of them are up.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I think that's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The most vulnerable incumbent in fact is John Ossoff, who
next year Georgians will be deciding, hey, are we going
to reelect this guy? There's a primary battle underway to
figure out who the Republican nominee is going to be.
He supported this and Georgia you talk about a state
that is truly up for grabs. All of the elections
in Georgia have been very close, notwithstanding the statewide when
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that Brian kempad that was so substantial in twenty twenty two,
but yeah, in twenty twenty six. As off is up
next year, he's probably the only sitting and incumbent that
would be in true peril in terms of potentially getting
beaten in a normal election cycle where it doesn't drastically
favor one side or the other. And he voted to
(12:26):
continue the shutdown, and he's been voting in favor of
men and women's sports, and so he's really out of
touch with the overall voters of Georgia. Now the question
will be what does the electorate look like in you know,
eleven months there. But it is interesting to me that
he bent the knee and stayed committed to the far
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left wing even in a very middle of the road state.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Clay.
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You know what they say. There are a lot of
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your thoughts on that. I did think this was interesting
play because we call balls and strikes here based on reality.
One of the these days I would say unique selling
propositions of this show is that we just see things
that are happening and say what we think or what
we know to be true about those things. And that
(14:42):
is in short supply these days in a lot of
places in the media. And that includes the completely manufactured
freak out about the Trump ballroom situation, where there was
a whole week of news cycle where people look, oh,
my gosh, he's destroying all the history of the White House.
It's terrible, and anybody who actually knows the White House
is like, well, it's kind of a dingy area that
(15:04):
he was getting rid of, and they actually need to
do something here. And none other than mister Bill Maher,
who does come hang out with us in Sanityville sometimes
always well, everyone's always welcome in Sanityville. Here he is saying,
look the freak out over the trump ballroom. That was
just nonsense. It's actually a good idea play seven.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I don't give a I really don't give ah. I
was reading it shows you like how the media is,
everything is always on one side or the other. When
he first mentioned it, it was like all about, oh
my god, he's desecrating the White House. Then I finally read, oh, well,
you know they've done to the white House before. It's
just a building. I think also, like I realized after
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reading other people, we don't have a place when they
have state dinners.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They're doing it in an attent. This is America.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So do I give that he's doing this to the
White House?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, look here.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Always in money, Yeah, you know kind of Newson wants
to knock it down when.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's president and get savior, ire for the things that matter.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
That was uncle Bill there. He'll be with us on Thursday.
By the way, he had a very strong appearance on
on Bill Marshaw Bill Riiley. I always enjoy talking to
to Uncle Bill, but he was weighing in there at
the end. But Clay, anybody who's looking at the situation
of the ballroom honestly would say, yeah, actually, this is
gonna be great for future administrations too. This is a
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smart thing to do. Objectively.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, And look, I mean, if you're a history person,
there have been so many adjustments made, so many renovations
made to the White House over the years, the Truman
Balcony and everything that Harry Truman did. He basically took
the White House down to the studs. And what Trump
is trying to do here is going to benefit every
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administration for a long time to come. And I would
think just purely from a security aspect, when you consider
all of the heads of state having to come in
and out, the difficulties associated with tinting the lawn and
everything that builds around it, this is just a no brainer.
And Trump is has decided basically that in a relatively
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short period of time he's going to address everything. He's
just going to find problems and he's going to solve them.
I think he was impressed to find out that somehow
there's not major zoning restrictions on the White House, because
as a builder, one of the most frustrating things you
have to deal with is all the different regulatory approvals.
And he just jumped right in and said, Hey, I'm
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other things that were going on, President Trump decided to
fly Air Force one over the NFL game taking place
in the DC area between the Lions and they will
Forever be to me the Redskins, and then he went
to the game as the guest of the Washington Commander's Slash.
(19:24):
Redskins owner Josh Harris and Bucky decided to go into
the broadcast booth with the Fox broadcasters, leading to these
discussion points, my world's colliding. I'm sitting watching the NFL
and suddenly.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Trump is in the booth breaking down the game.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Here he is talking about Joe Namath back in the day,
Jets and Giants. By the way, the Giants just fired
their head football coach for those of you out there
that are WR listeners, long suffering Jets and Giants fans,
Jets fans especially, and talked to Drew Brees as well.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Cut nine, We'll take you back to the sixties. You
got the Jets, got Joe name, he got the cow.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
We had a lot of things, a lot of a
lot of interesting was your team. So I love the
Jets and I love the Giants. I had a lot
of friends Baptish and some people that owned the Giants
at the time. As we're going along and progressing, and
you know, look, we had a couple of Super Bowls
with the Giants. The Jets have been having a little
bit of a hard time.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
What.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
He's a great guy. He's a great friend of mine.
Get it together, yeah, take it a little time. Well,
I loved Joe Namath and it was a great talent.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
He had that arm. His legs weren't so good, but
his arm made up for it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's all you need at quarterback.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
When you talk about a quick release. He hadn't he did,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Was the President Jonathan first round ground pick by the Jets. Wow,
two thousand and I.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Got traded and the rest is history. I got that.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Beautiful baby right there.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's pretty nice and traded, so I know all about it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right then.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Also Buck, he discussed let's see, they brought up Trump's
high school football career, put up a picture of him
from when he was in high school.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Here was cut eleven.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
But we had a good time, and I loved it.
I actually loved playing football.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
We had a good time with him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So we were trying to look up your stats, and
we wanted so many touchdowns did you have back then?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
So I'm not sure I had any.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Sad a long time ago, but I know at least
you realized that I never tell a lie. Right, That's
very good. I haven't seen that picture.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Tack and Buck. Culturally, I thought it was impactful. The
Detroit Lions scored a touchdown. Uh, they ended up winning
the game, blue out Washington. Detroit's got a really good
football team the last few years, believe it or not
for long suffering Lions fans. And they did the Trump
dance on the field and pointed it up to Trump
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in the in the owner suite as a part of
the celebration. And so it just feels like again culturally
in Trump one point zero. They would have never thought
about putting him in the broadcast booth during an NFL game,
letting him call the game, and then also the players
on the field doing the Trump dance. Some people might say, Okay, well,
(22:30):
how does this matter. I do think it's significant culturally
in the overall impact that it has created both athletes, coaches, owners,
and even the media networks being more comfortable just embracing Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
The number one comment that I got Clay when I
reached that nigh impossible goal of one hundred and three
mile an hour serve as a middle aged man with
a bad shoulder and a bad ankle, was why didn't
you do the Trump dance and celebrate? And to that
I did not have a good response that, in retrospect,
the only thing that could have made that one hundred
(23:06):
and three mon hour serve that much sweeter would have
been a Trump dance right afterwards, the Trump dance iconic.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
It is, and I mean again it's crossed the I
think it's emblematic and reflective of young men and how
they have come to see Trump as in some way
their avatar. And I was having a conversation with somebody
over the weekend. By the way, thank you for everybody
who bought the book Balls, that is still out in
(23:36):
stores everywhere. Over a thousand of you got autographed copies.
Those are headed out to you. But we had this
conversation and I wrote about it in the book. I
know it's hard to see the world through people's eyes
that are way younger than you, But for just a moment,
imagine that you are a fourteen or fifteen or sixteen
(23:59):
year old boy. There's almost not a world where Trump
hasn't been a huge figure in your life. Trump came
down the escalator back in twenty fifteen, and to a
lot of us out there, twenty fifteen to twenty twenty five,
it feels like it passed in the snap of your fingers.
But I've got a fifteen year old He basically has
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not lived in a world that he can remember where
Trump is not the signature figure on the entire stage
of American life. And that has become the case for
a lot of kids out there. And so for those
of you who grew up when Ronald Reagan was president,
or maybe you grew up, you know, when somebody has
(24:41):
a decent tenure on the stage, maybe it was Bill
Clinton being president, maybe it was Barack Obama. Those formative
years can really impact the way that you see the world.
And I'll give you an example of this connecting with
Trump being in the in the press box there Buck
there was a study that came out recently and I
read it and I said, you know what, this makes
total sense, and I bet it will reflect even your experience.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Not even being a huge sports fan.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
They say that you become or don't become a die
hard sports fan primarily between.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The ages of eight and twelve.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You pick your team, you are committed to them for
the rest of your life. You might live to be ninety,
but the ages of eight to twelve are so impactful
in terms of you remember them far better. And I
think about that now as I get older and I've
tried to spend as much time with my kids as
I can. I would encourage you certainly as your boys
(25:36):
start to get older. Kids remember what they did when
they were ten way better than they do what happens
to them at thirty or twenty five. Those formative years,
if you remember, if you can take yourself back, the
difference between when you were in fourth grade and fifth
grade felt huge the oldest in elementary school. The difference
(25:56):
between seventh and eighth grade, those years in print on
us in a way that doesn't happen as you become
an adult. And so I think the positivity associated with
Trump is just now starting to resonate from him being
on the national stage for ten years.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Think about it, by the.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Time we get to twenty twenty nine, they're going to
be eighteen year old kids coming out to vote in
twenty twenty eight that can't even remember a world where
Donald Trump was not a formative figure in American life.
And I think that branding that is happening for a
lot of these young men is connected to Trump, and
one of the challenges is going to be taking it
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to the next generation in whatever happens in twenty eight
I've already started to think about this because I do
become deeply nostalgic for the late eighties, which I remember,
you know, you were getting out of grad school. But
the late eighties was a time that great movies, great
cultural stuff, but also Reaganism and how I came of
(26:57):
age in American politics with Reagan as the the thing
and people. I'm not trying to get into this discussion
or argue with anybody, but Reagan was like the greatness
by which all other Republicans of the era would be
judged or should be judged.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You know, we need a return to Reaganism. I've already
started to think about this in twenty years or people
would be like, oh, Trump really was the guy who
got it, understood it culturally, turned the cut.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think the answer is yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think that in twenty years people will be speaking
about Trump the way that in the year nineteen ninety
eight people were speaking about Reagan.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes, I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And I think people, I think this is why these
people could say, well, why do I care if Trump's
in the broadcast booth, Why do I care if athletes
are doing the Trump dance? You win with culture and
what I saw in trump one point, oh Buck, was
everybody was terrified.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
To even admit publicly that they had voted Trump.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And now you've got athletes, white, black, Asian, Hispanic celebrating
Trump on the field, whether it's soccer, whether it's UFC,
whether it's the NFL. And I think, and I've made
this argument, and I haven't heard a real aggressive pushback
against it. I think it's not athletes seeing Trump and
responding in that way. I think it is just young men,
(28:21):
and the athletes are a reflection of the way that
young men feel about Trump, as opposed to it being
directly athletic. And you want to talk about culture, Remember
Trump one point zero was all feuding about whether athletes should.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Stand for the national anthem.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Now they're having him in the press box to talk
about Veterans Day. That's, by the way, why he was
at the at the game, because they had a great
Veterans Day and he actually swore in a bunch of soldiers.
Now there was booing whose oh, what are you gonna
talk about the book?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, it's Washington, d C. It's Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Are you surprised that people who overwhelmingly are federal employees
would boot the president during a shutdown, even while he
is swearing in a new batch of soldiers. No, I'm not,
But I do think it's interesting how whenever there is
negative attention on the president, it becomes an ap head
story and when everybody cheers, as has happened at most
(29:17):
of these sporting events, they just pretend it's not an
actual story. But it is to me culturally significant. Trump
did a good job. He actually said at the end
of the broadcast, I'd like to have your job one day,
to the to the broadcasters that interviewed him.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't want the president to get any ideas, but
he is the only president in my lifetime that he
could sit down and do three hours of radio no problem,
and he'd be.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Good at it.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
It's a lot of effort. In time, I think he
would grow tired of it. It's a lot of energy.
But I'm just saying he has that persona and that
entertainment slash communication ability back Obama couldn't do a three
hour Barack Obama would run out of things to say
pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I know, I couldn't have done a fifteen minute interview
with us that show.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, he couldn't be a guest on the show for
five minutes. I mean Biden was a total mess, you know.
Bush people said he was domb He wasn't dumb. I've
always pointed that out to people. He wasn't a dumb guy.
He can say a lot of other things about it,
but he couldn't do a radio show. I mean, it's
a particular skill set and you and I know the
skill set because we've now been doing this for for
you know, almost two going on two decades. Trump could
(30:31):
do a three hour radio show. Yes, I know very
few politicians across the board who could pull that off.
So the fact that he was actually pretty good at
play by play or you know, calling her from the
booth is not a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No, he would be very good at it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I give credit to Fox Sports for putting him on,
and I'm curious to see how much criticism there will
be because this is like the ultimate fear of everybody.
During Trump one point zero, the idea was, how dare
you platform Adolf Hitler? And now you know, Adolf Hitler's
just hanging out telling us about the importance of different
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Speaker 4 (32:19):
Now, I want to get to some of your calls
and your talk facts and your emails and more we have.
Let's see what we've.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Got here, Bill and Michigan bucket.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
That's what I was going for. You read my mind,
or rather you read the screen. Well done, Bill in Michigan,
go for it.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
So it's easy to bash hospitals, physicians, health insurance companies.
And I just wanted to make a couple of points
I'm an almost fifty year healthcare executive hospital administrator, grateful
that I'm retired, but I just want to make a
couple points. The problems with healthcare all go back to
(33:07):
nineteen sixty five when the federal government created Medicare and
Medicaid basically nationalize the rules, and everything since then has
been dictated by them, including the way doctors practice, the
way health insurance companies work, and the way hospitals and
healthcare providers communicate their charges, fees, all that.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It's a mess, and I love to talk about it
because I can talk about it and layman terms that
most people can understand.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So if you had a magic wand and we were
just trying to design healthcare that would work better for
the average American, what would it look like.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well, I've got a lot of ideas and I think
I could solve it, but it wouldn't be popular because
no one wants that. I would say, it's almost impossible
to unbake the cake that was created back in nineteen
sixty five, and the politicians have convinced us all that
healthcare is are right and you should get whatever you
(34:14):
want whenever you want it. To me The solution is
go back to the free market, if you limited liability
so that if a doctor made a mistake or didn't
order the right task, they weren't sued, and put the
physicians back in charge of making decisions. They can ration,
they can tell you, tell the patient what they really need.
(34:37):
You got to trust your physicians. But no one would
ever accept that we're going to end up with a
nationalized health insurance program like England and Canada by default
because it's going to collapse.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Totally looks Look, we totally agree with you, by the way,
And also I want to be clear, I don't ever
blame blame doctors. In fact, the doctors that I know
are victims of the system very much in the same
way that a lot of patients are, and that they
want to do. I was just talking to a doctor
Clay last week as a friend of mine, and he says, look,
I know I've had to just cut back and change
things with how i can see patients because the insurers
(35:10):
are having him see forty patients a day. I'm like,
how do you even see forty patients in a day? Yeah,
thirty five to forty patients a day. How much time
can you spend, he said, not enough time. It's not
as much time as I want to. He actually wants
to help people. But the way that they structure these
things because of the way that the you know, the
people that are using the what is the green eyeshadow,
(35:30):
green eye shade, whatever you call it, you know, looking
at the costs and looking at the expenses. But we
need to get back to an actual insurance system. We
don't have insurance. We have something else.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, and he points out by the way to something significant,
which is one reason why doctors order so many tests
is to try to prevent from getting sued if a
small minority.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Chance they miss something.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So we actually over over medicate and over bill. We
could probably cut half of all the medical treatment and
not impact it in any way results.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
We'll talk more about the aftermath here, not quite after math,
because it's still technically shut down, but the ending the
final days we believe of this government shutdown, the longest
one in history, clay, which is pretty noteworthy, already the
longest in history. And we'll also take a look at
some other aspects of the New York City election fallout,
(36:29):
the tariff situation, what's the sucreme Coort going to do
on that, what's the economy looking like, and basically just
going to make sense of everything. We're just going to
solve all the problems played.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's what we got coming up for you next Monday edition,
as the shutdown inches closer to being over once and
for all.
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