July 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful mix of breaking news, political analysis, and cultural commentary. Clay Travis opens the hour with the somber announcement of wrestling legend Hulk Hogan’s passing at age 71, reflecting on Hogan’s iconic legacy and his pivotal legal victory over Gawker Media. Joined by bestselling author and media veteran Bill O’Reilly, the conversation explores Hogan’s cultural impact and transitions into a deeper discussion on O’Reilly’s upcoming book, Confronting Evil, which examines historical and modern manifestations of collective evil, including figures like Hitler, Stalin, and Putin.
The hour intensifies with analysis of the Idaho murders and the chilling demeanor of the accused, Bryan Kohberger, as well as the broader implications of confronting individual versus systemic evil. O’Reilly and Travis then pivot to the explosive revelations from Tulsi Gabbard regarding the 2016 election and alleged misconduct by intelligence agencies. The discussion centers on former CIA Director John Brennan and the legal ramifications of knowingly using false information to obtain warrants, with O’Reilly suggesting potential prison time.
The Epstein case resurfaces as Clay asks O’Reilly what advice he’d give President Trump amid renewed scrutiny. O’Reilly reveals he spoke with Trump earlier that day and advises full deferral to the Justice Department, warning against media manipulation and emphasizing the political weaponization of Epstein-related narratives. The conversation also touches on the Wall Street Journal’s reporting and the risks of releasing unverified names tied to Epstein, which could trigger massive lawsuits.
Listeners weigh in with passionate talkbacks, debating whether Obama and other officials could face legal consequences for their roles in Russiagate. Clay offers a nuanced legal perspective, referencing the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity and questioning the fairness of prosecuting subordinates for executing presidential directives.
The hour wraps with reflections on Hulk Hogan’s influence, including heartfelt listener tributes and personal anecdotes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome again, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Buck is out for the
rest of the week. He'll be back with me on Monday.
Sad news. As we started off the show reporting Hulk Hogan,
seventy one years old American Original American icon pasted in
(00:20):
the last hour and a half or so, and many
reacting to his passing. I asked you, guys, you can
send me talkbacks of moments that you remember from Hulk
Cogan's career. We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly. In terms
of icon you spend a lot of time talking about
(00:41):
celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame and all
of these I think just tremendously generational and timeless analyses.
Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the list of
true American original celebrities in that context for which you
(01:03):
have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever, So, I mean, you don't
get more iconic in that industry than that. But what
is historical importance? Is is that he destroyed that smear
(01:29):
website which was damaging Talker he took down and I
admired that because that was the worst. I mean, there
are a lot of bad websites now, a lot nothing
like that, and he took them down single handedly. It
(01:52):
was all him and that's what I will remember him
for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know,
but what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
(02:15):
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You are writing about right now, evil in particular Confronting Evil,
Assessing the worst of the Worst. That book is going
to come out September ninth, very soon. Yesterday, and we
didn't talk about it a ton on the show, but
yesterday Brian Koberger was confronted by the family and friends
(02:41):
of the four young people that he murdered in cold
blood in Idaho. What did you think as you watched
that in terms of evil and the fact that he
just basically has declined to say anything about the crimes
that he is committing. That the plea that he has
(03:01):
entered into is going to save him from the death penalty,
but means I'll have to spend the rest of his
life in prison.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's heinous, but
it's been in humankind forever. Every sin is the planet,
and Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in confronting evil as collective evil,
(03:30):
where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book that achieved enormous power, and they did so in
a variety of ways, but everyone knew they were evil.
It wasn't like a debate about it. And yet they
were able in their situations. The Ayahtola and Iran Hitler
(03:55):
in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia. They were able
to get to a position where they killed millions and
millions of people untold suffering. That was my fascination. Now
I've covered a lot of stories of my fifty years
and journalism and a lot of heinous serial killers. I
(04:16):
chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast, all right. He
was one of the worst ever. And my opinion on
it is very simple. These are psychotic people. They're psychopaths,
and they will commit as much damage as they can
(04:37):
they are evil, and society is an obligation to punish
them as much as possible, But it's not at the
level of what I'm writing about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly. We open the show talking
about the revelations from Tulsea Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen
election and what the intelligence agencies knew and what they
said publicly. What do you think the significance of that
story is and playing it forward, what will the consequences be,
(05:13):
if any legally in your mind going forward from the
revelations she just shared, Well, Brennan.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee, two years after the Senate issure.
There's a lot of new information there, and it was
(05:41):
chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee.
They concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the trumpet minister was false.
(06:02):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coming for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
Dunk case. To me, that looks like prison time to me.
The other is a little murky. I mean, I know
the right wing people are jumping up and down, going, Oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not. That would
be impossible. It's not going to happen. So if you
(06:24):
want to run around thinking that, fine, but it's not
in the real world. Colly that the I chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the bureau. You'd
have to have someone inside the Bureau that worked and
had access to Comedy and say, yeah, he knew the
same thing Brannan knew and he cooperated with the fraud.
(06:48):
That's what you would need to nail COMI in front
of a federal grand jury. They may be able to
get that. The current Justice Department may be able to
get that. And so whenever these stories break, I always
tell my listeners and viewers that you have to live
in the real world. Supreme Court is rule clearly in
(07:11):
Donald Trump's case in the January sixth that he had
the right as president to say and do what he
felt was necessary. Barack Obama's going to fall right under
that category. Unless you have Michelle Obama saying, hey, you
know he knew it was a fake. I don't think
(07:32):
you're going to get it, but you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly got a new book coming
out about Confronting evil September ninth. What would you tell
President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations and
the ongoing story there. If he asked you for advice,
your advice would be what.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We they asked me this morning. Oh okay, about four
hours ago, I got a call up from the President
and I you know, I don't report word for word,
but I'll tell you generally my feeling about it. Okay.
So I don't think that President Trump should answer any
(08:13):
questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
One hundred. I would not, as president, allow myself to
be besieged by this story. It is a legitimate story
in the sense that there are millions of Americans, not
just liberal people but conservative as well, who believe the
(08:34):
fix is in at the federal level and if you're
rich and powerful, you're going to be protected even if
you're a criminal. That is a common belief in America
that makes the story valid. So what I would do,
would be have one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department
to deal with this situation and to tell the American people,
(08:54):
here's what we are doing. If you read to Wall
Street General report yesterday, it said clearly that in the
information compiled by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there
are literally hundreds of names in that information, hundreds the
(09:15):
guys that delivered the bagels, you know, all of those. Yeah,
So these people screaming all you got to put it
all out. That would be billions of dollars in lawsuits
if the Justice Department were to do that, billions Because
if your name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in
any capacity, you're going to be harmed. There's not going
(09:36):
to be contact applied to it by anybody. And so
your name pops up alongside Jeffrey Epstein, whoever doesn't like
you is going to use that to hurt you. And
so the Justice Department cannot do that. It is impossible.
And also in the Journal article, and remember the Journal article,
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the Journal is going after Trump. They want to hurt
that newspaper, which is going to be catastrophic for the
Murdoch family and Fox News down the road. Also in
that article is no one is currently under federal investigation
in this case, no one. Now. The Wallstreet Journal is
(10:21):
usually pretty accurate in its report, Taj, I don't know
about this birthday card business.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Were you stunned by the way? Let me ask you
about that, because to me, from a news perspective, I
think you first have to ask yourself the question we're
talking to Bill O'Reilly is this news? And then secondarily
you ask, okay, is it relevant news? I don't even
get to the second question, because Trump doing even if
(10:49):
he did it a body birthday card twenty some odd
years ago for Jeffrey Epstein, to me, isn't news. Epstein
wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think it
would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little bit
of a locker room sense of humor back for much
of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled. I'm
just kind of surprised that they chose even to run
(11:11):
that story.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, three things involved here number one year correct. It
is not a news story on its own. But what
the press is trying to do is link Trump to
Epstein in doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
(11:35):
away from this one hundred percent. What the dishonest, corrupt,
corporate media in America is trying to do is convince
Americans that Donald Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
and may have participated. That's what the press wants Americans
(11:55):
to believe. So any linkage between Trump and Epstein is
going to be blown up. This is a very simple story.
A forensic can make a determination on whether that card
is in Trump's hand or not. Trump says he didn't
do it and files suit two days later. Two days
two days. I mean, come on, that looks like a
(12:20):
pretty aggressive action to me. And if the journal is wrong, yes,
this is an important point. If the Wall Street Journal
published the story using a bogus birthday card, that's not real.
It was a fraud, the whole thing collapses, not only
(12:41):
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, everything else done. That's how
big this story is.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term, how comfortable, how confident did you find
(13:10):
him to be?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night, they had a
great deal with Japan announced by Trump administration. Fabulous. He
(13:33):
got not one second of coverage on the nightly newscast
of three of them, not a second. Epstein got ten minutes.
So Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff
weighs you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest
guy I know, I mean, my God, but his hand
(13:54):
is well enough because he has to shake hundreds of
hands a week. I do fis bumps because I got
to take a lot of hands too. Everybody knows me
wherever I go, but I don't shake hands, and I
tell people, look, I can't have a swollen Hey. Well,
Trump's hand is bothering them. It's painful. Okay. So he's
going over to Scotland. WHI play some golf over there,
(14:16):
get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him,
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you know,
you gotta be a little You got to carry yourself
here physically and everything. You got it. And that's why
my advice, and I hope it takes it. Don't acknowledge
(14:38):
this ebscene thing at all. Let the Justice Department handle it.
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Bill O'Reilly fantastic as always. The book coming out is
confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst. It will
be out September ninth. We look forward and talking to
you again. You can also check them out at Bill
O'Reilly dot com read his columns there. Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
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million subscribers on YouTube. That's important three three months and
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I appreciate you having me on Tell Buck. I think
he's faking it, Okay, all right, but I'll be listening
(15:27):
on Monday when you guys get together. Again.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
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You can also check out our YouTube page, Bill O'Reilly's
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What do we have? I'm pulling it up right now,
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He just dunked on us right there. I didn't even
(15:51):
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(19:25):
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to some of the questions that you guys ask that
you might be out there. By the way, we did
not talk about it yesterday a ton, but the federal
(20:07):
District court judge refuse to release an Obama appointee refuse
to release the grand jury transcripts of the Jeffrey Epstein
case as the Trump administration has had requested. You heard
Bill O'Reilly talk about that a little bit, because in
grand jury proceedings there's a ton of hearsay, lots of
(20:29):
things are allowed to be said that would not be
admissible in a traditional court of law, and so the
general rule is that you do not release those transcripts
because somebody sitting as a witness, without being cross examined,
could make an accusation that's one hundred percent untrue, and
then it gets out into the larger public arena and
(20:49):
people just presume it to be true. But a bunch
of you out there listening Adam FF on the talkback
says he's got a on how you could get Obama
related to Russia Gate.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Listen, hey, Clay, I believe that you could get Obama
on falsifying intelligence information. His intelligence agencies gave him information.
He released information that was not consistent with that. I
don't recall Trump getting any charges dropped because of presidential
(21:26):
immunity because he took information given to him, falsified it,
and released it.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think that would be a hard reach because I
think what Obama would say. And again, I think you
have to think about this not only as the prosecutor,
but also as the defense attorney. And this is what
you have to do when you are a lawyer. You
have to not only think about the case that you're
going to make, you have to think about the counterpunches.
Go read the opinion that the Supreme Court released that
(21:55):
basically said Trump can't be charged for any action that
he undertook as president. Now, they delegated between the official
acts of the president and purely private acts because and
we made this analogy before. If the president picked up
(22:17):
on the resolute desk a paperweight and dashed someone in
the side of the head and they were severely injured.
I don't think anybody out there would say, oh, that's
an official act of the president. They probably would argue
it was right. That would be the defense partly that
the president would levy in that case. But the president
(22:38):
could be prosecuted in that situation. What Obama did, which
is in some way interpret whether you like or don't like,
the interpretation of the information that his intelligence agencies gave him.
That's not his full time job to be an intelligence agent.
He relies on the intelligence agencies to present information to him.
(23:02):
I don't particularly think that he was honest, but you
would have to prove that he knowingly falsified information and
chose to distribute it illegally. I don't think you could
do that. I don't think given the presidential powers. And
by the way, I don't know that we want. I mean,
(23:23):
are you going to go back in time and are
you going to charge George W. Bush because his intelligence
agencies told him that there were weapons of mass destruction,
which they did in Iraq. He relied on those interpretations.
And by the way, I'm sure back in those days
that there were all sorts of differing intelligence interpretations, and
(23:45):
some people said and got shouted down inside of those
intelligence agencies. Hey, I don't think there's evidence to support
WMD's in Iraq. We shouldn't go to war there. I
think they would have gotten shouted down. We went to
war there, there were not those weapons of mass destruction.
So should George W. Bush be prosecuted for the fact
(24:06):
that we went to war on false pretenses? I don't
think so. And so I think the idea of saying, hey,
you took some intelligence information, and remember Obama put it
out in the end of his presidency. I would argue,
by far, the biggest intelligence failure leaving a side nine
(24:28):
to eleven of our lives was the decision to go
to war with Iraq, which George W. Bush Dick Cheney,
I would argue, spun up by incentivizing the intelligence agencies
to encourage them to do it. I think it's the
worst decision based on intelligence that has been made other
than the failure to stop nine to eleven in the
twenty first century. But I also don't think George W.
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Bush should be charged with crimes, and even if he were,
I think he would be protected by the Supreme Court
ruling that just came down that said Trump is basically
free and clear because we want to give broad scope
to the president of the United States to execute his
powers without worrying about criminal prosecution. So the same precedent
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that protected Trump in twenty twenty for investigating that election
would also, I think quite clearly protect Obama in twenty sixteen.
Now you can spin up arguments. Not a bad argument
that the caller made. I'm just saying, if I'm sitting
there looking at this, I would be stunned beyond belief
if the Obama case wasn't tossed out immediately by the
(25:33):
courts on appeal. And that presumes that you could get
a grand jury to even indict him, which I certainly
don't think you could do. In Washington, DC, BB in Milwaukee, Mike,
what you got for me?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Oh, Clay and Buck, This is Mike in the Trances, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Love your show.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
What I want to say is that they need to
take full legal action.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And all these criminals, from Obama down to Brennan Clapper,
all of them.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It is treason at the highest level.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It was wrecking our country.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
We need to address it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
They got to pay.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's time. I think the intelligence agencies and their heads
should face consequences. I'm not sure that we're going to
get a conviction. I'm not sure that we're going to
get an indictment. Those guys don't have the same protection
that Obama does because again, go back and read what
the Supreme Court said, go back and listen to when
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that decision came down, everybody said, oh my goodness, this
is how dictatorships began. This is authoritarianism. I said, it's
actually a really good decision. Whether it's a Democrat, Republican
or an independent. We want the president to have the
scope to do his job. We do, and we don't
want him worried that if he makes the decision, he's
(26:50):
going to face criminal charges when he leaves office. The
Democrats were wrong to try to do it to Trump,
But what the Supreme Court did is say, hey, basically,
we're never going to allow this to happen to any
president again. And so I think the chances of it
being applied to Obama, that same precedent would protect him
here from charges. I really do. Attila is the name Attila,
(27:14):
like Attila the hun Also in Wisconsin. What you got
for me, you got it from Green Bay area, all right?
So hold on, is your name actually Attila?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
It is?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So did your dad and mom name you after Attila
the hun?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think, So.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That's a hell of a thing. I've never heard this,
all right, So, uh, that is a hell of a move.
I would love to know how that happened, all right.
So I that's the name I've never heard of before
in the modern era. But that's pretty awesome, all right,
what you got for us?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Okay, I'm not the I'm not the attorney, absolutely obviously,
so I'd like you to get your cannons out and
get ready to blow my theory out of the water.
But I was going to disagree with what y'all said yesterday.
But in as far as the prosecution goes like, no,
(28:09):
they can't be prosecuted, I think.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sorry, who did you do?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Sorry to cut you off, But you're saying they can't
be prosecuted, meaning I think Obama can't be prosecuted. I
think that would immediately get shot out of the water.
But I do think there is a possibility that others
could be prosecuted. So when you say they, do you
think also Obama could be prosecuted or who is they?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I think I don't like the idea of presidence being prosecuted.
The Democrats started this whole thing, but I think under
eighteen USC.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Section two seventy one, Yeah, Buck talked about this, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
An ongoing crime. Okay, so the crime never ended. It's ongoing.
And then there's the cover up, which leads to obstruction charges.
All right, So since they have not read, uh, they
have not addressed the conspiracy, the seditious conspiracy. This is
ongoing crime. And underneath Obama, I think are are Brennan
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call me and Susan Rice, who doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Those three are are the main ones. And I'd like
to see all them and people underneath like Clapper and
all these people get charged as well.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
All Right, thank you for thank you for the call.
I'm gonna blow a lot of people's mind because I
haven't seen a lot of discussion about this, and the
Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this. But I
think he Attila there raises a really interesting question. I
have said. I think Obama is protected by, ironically the
precedent that the Supreme Court put in place to say
you can't charge Trump for official acts that took place
(29:57):
while he was president. What has not he had been
applied stringently. Is I think a really interesting question to
what extent does presidential power also descend to the people
that the president deputizes to undertake the actions that he
believes is within the province of his power. In other words,
(30:20):
if we believe that President Trump has the right to
investigate twenty twenty, then clearly when he tells his attorney general, hey,
I want this fully executed. The attorney general serves at
the pleasure of the president as a part of his cabinet,
then the attorney general is protected in theory, in my analysis,
(30:46):
because the president has protection, it would be highly unfair.
Think about this. If your boss can tell you to
do something, you do it at his direction, and then
your action is criminal and his action is not criminal.
I think most of you out there would say, well,
that doesn't make sense. I mean, take it outside of
(31:07):
the presidential purview. And if you are an officer and
your officer is giving you a direct order, and that
officer can never be charged because we're saying, hey, he
has basically presidential immunity, and then you can be charged
for executing his directive. I think that the powers of
(31:31):
the president are going to be seen in the years
ahead as more of these cases rise up to also
descend to the direct respondents of the president's power, because
otherwise I think it would be profoundly unfair if a
president's associate right subordinate is able to be charged with
(31:53):
crimes that the president himself could not be because the
power of the associate descends from the power of the president.
Does that make sense? And so I think, again I'm
just kind of sketching this out. One of the challenges
of pursuing criminal charges here will be if you can't
charge Obama, how can you charge people for executing the
(32:14):
directives of Obama? I think it becomes very challenging. Again,
there are people out there who have prominent shows, and
they're going to come on and they're going to tell
you Obama's going to be in handcuffs and everybody's gonna
get purp walked, and everybody's going to be held accountable.
I'm telling you, I don't really think this show is
in the business of telling you things that we don't
(32:36):
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mean we're not going to get things wrong. But I
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If people are consistently telling you things that prove not
to be true, then over time you should trust them less.
And I think that's why this show has continued to grow,
because we're not always right on everything, but we get
(32:57):
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we got some funny stuff. I'm problems, I'm gonna make
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if you're just getting in your car the death of
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. A lot
of talk rolling in from people who are sad to
see the news that Hulk Cogan has passed today at
the age of seventy one. Here are several different talkbacks
I wanted to play you from Davenport, Iowa. Let's start
with cc Hey.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
I just wanted to give a shout out to Hal
Cogan's family. I met the man back in twenty ten,
twenty eleven when I worked at the Wounded Warrior Project.
He came to visit a bunch of wounded veterans. He's
a huge guy, great personality. He will be missed.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Podcast listener Eli says, not surprisingly that he and his
brothers used to imitate hul Cogan brother back in the day.
D d Hi Clay just heard.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
The news of my childhood hero Paul Cogan passing away
and just remembering all of the times my younger brothers
and I would imitate flying off the ropes and you know,
hulk Mania and just wrestling around on the floor and
having a good time because of these guys. And it's hard,
(36:12):
no doubt one more.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
EE Greg says he actually flew around Hulk Hogan and
Randy Savage. I'm jealous back in the day. This is
Greg from Sandy Hook, Connecticut.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
I'm a corporate pilot and the very first celebrity I
ever flew back in the mid nineties was Hulk Hogan,
and he brought along Randy Savage and the Big Show
on a trip up from Tampa to Cincinnati. We were
so heavy that we couldn't even make it without stopping
for fuel. Really nice guys, They were a blast to fly.
He will be missed.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Rest in peace indeed. Hulk Hogan Final Hour Thursday Edition
Next
Welcome again, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Buck is out for the
rest of the week. He'll be back with me on Monday.
Sad news. As we started off the show reporting Hulk Hogan,
seventy one years old American Original American icon pasted in
(00:20):
the last hour and a half or so, and many
reacting to his passing. I asked you, guys, you can
send me talkbacks of moments that you remember from Hulk
Cogan's career. We're joined now by Bill O'Reilly. In terms
of icon you spend a lot of time talking about
(00:41):
celebrities and impact and the legacy of fame and all
of these I think just tremendously generational and timeless analyses.
Where would you put Hulk Hogan on the list of
true American original celebrities in that context for which you
(01:03):
have spent much of your career writing about.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I interviewed Hogan back when he was probably the top
wage earner in the wrestling business, and I think he's
the most famous wrestler ever, So, I mean, you don't
get more iconic in that industry than that. But what
is historical importance? Is is that he destroyed that smear
(01:29):
website which was damaging Talker he took down and I
admired that because that was the worst. I mean, there
are a lot of bad websites now, a lot nothing
like that, and he took them down single handedly. It
(01:52):
was all him and that's what I will remember him
for as a journalist the wrestling industry. Okay, you know,
but what he did was he sent a message that
there is a limit to how much you can hurt
people using a website or a company, and that was
(02:15):
very important for this country.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You are writing about right now, evil in particular Confronting Evil,
Assessing the worst of the Worst. That book is going
to come out September ninth, very soon. Yesterday, and we
didn't talk about it a ton on the show, but
yesterday Brian Koberger was confronted by the family and friends
(02:41):
of the four young people that he murdered in cold
blood in Idaho. What did you think as you watched
that in terms of evil and the fact that he
just basically has declined to say anything about the crimes
that he is committing. That the plea that he has
(03:01):
entered into is going to save him from the death penalty,
but means I'll have to spend the rest of his
life in prison.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
That is singular evil, individual evil, and it's heinous, but
it's been in humankind forever. Every sin is the planet,
and Neanderthals walked it. It has always been here. Singular evil.
What I write about in confronting evil as collective evil,
(03:30):
where you have fifteen people that we spotlight inside the
book that achieved enormous power, and they did so in
a variety of ways, but everyone knew they were evil.
It wasn't like a debate about it. And yet they
were able in their situations. The Ayahtola and Iran Hitler
(03:55):
in Germany, Stalin and Putin in Russia. They were able
to get to a position where they killed millions and
millions of people untold suffering. That was my fascination. Now
I've covered a lot of stories of my fifty years
and journalism and a lot of heinous serial killers. I
(04:16):
chased Ted Bundy from coast to coast, all right. He
was one of the worst ever. And my opinion on
it is very simple. These are psychotic people. They're psychopaths,
and they will commit as much damage as they can
(04:37):
they are evil, and society is an obligation to punish
them as much as possible, But it's not at the
level of what I'm writing about in my upcoming book.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly. We open the show talking
about the revelations from Tulsea Gabbard surrounding the twenty sixteen
election and what the intelligence agencies knew and what they
said publicly. What do you think the significance of that
story is and playing it forward, what will the consequences be,
(05:13):
if any legally in your mind going forward from the
revelations she just shared, Well, Brennan.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Has definite criminal potential. The former CIA chief under Obama,
the guy according to the House report. Remember this is
the House Intelligence Committee, two years after the Senate issure.
There's a lot of new information there, and it was
(05:41):
chaired by Schiff to the Democratic majority on this committee.
They concluded that at least three times that Brennan knew
the information that he was using to get warrants to
do other things to damage the trumpet minister was false.
(06:02):
So if I'm Brennan right now, I'm coming for the
best lawyer I can find. That looks like a slam
Dunk case. To me, that looks like prison time to me.
The other is a little murky. I mean, I know
the right wing people are jumping up and down, going, Oh,
they're going to indict Barack Obama. They're not. That would
be impossible. It's not going to happen. So if you
(06:24):
want to run around thinking that, fine, but it's not
in the real world. Colly that the I chief now there,
You'd have to have a testimony inside the bureau. You'd
have to have someone inside the Bureau that worked and
had access to Comedy and say, yeah, he knew the
same thing Brannan knew and he cooperated with the fraud.
(06:48):
That's what you would need to nail COMI in front
of a federal grand jury. They may be able to
get that. The current Justice Department may be able to
get that. And so whenever these stories break, I always
tell my listeners and viewers that you have to live
in the real world. Supreme Court is rule clearly in
(07:11):
Donald Trump's case in the January sixth that he had
the right as president to say and do what he
felt was necessary. Barack Obama's going to fall right under
that category. Unless you have Michelle Obama saying, hey, you
know he knew it was a fake. I don't think
(07:32):
you're going to get it, but you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We're talking to Bill O'Reilly got a new book coming
out about Confronting evil September ninth. What would you tell
President Trump he should do about the Epstein revelations and
the ongoing story there. If he asked you for advice,
your advice would be what.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
We they asked me this morning. Oh okay, about four
hours ago, I got a call up from the President
and I you know, I don't report word for word,
but I'll tell you generally my feeling about it. Okay.
So I don't think that President Trump should answer any
(08:13):
questions about Epstein. He should defer to the Justice Department.
One hundred. I would not, as president, allow myself to
be besieged by this story. It is a legitimate story
in the sense that there are millions of Americans, not
just liberal people but conservative as well, who believe the
(08:34):
fix is in at the federal level and if you're
rich and powerful, you're going to be protected even if
you're a criminal. That is a common belief in America
that makes the story valid. So what I would do,
would be have one spokesperson designated by the Justice Department
to deal with this situation and to tell the American people,
(08:54):
here's what we are doing. If you read to Wall
Street General report yesterday, it said clearly that in the
information compiled by the federal government about Jeffrey Epstein, there
are literally hundreds of names in that information, hundreds the
(09:15):
guys that delivered the bagels, you know, all of those. Yeah,
So these people screaming all you got to put it
all out. That would be billions of dollars in lawsuits
if the Justice Department were to do that, billions Because
if your name is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's name in
any capacity, you're going to be harmed. There's not going
(09:36):
to be contact applied to it by anybody. And so
your name pops up alongside Jeffrey Epstein, whoever doesn't like
you is going to use that to hurt you. And
so the Justice Department cannot do that. It is impossible.
And also in the Journal article, and remember the Journal article,
(09:56):
the Journal is going after Trump. They want to hurt
that newspaper, which is going to be catastrophic for the
Murdoch family and Fox News down the road. Also in
that article is no one is currently under federal investigation
in this case, no one. Now. The Wallstreet Journal is
(10:21):
usually pretty accurate in its report, Taj, I don't know
about this birthday card business.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Were you stunned by the way? Let me ask you
about that, because to me, from a news perspective, I
think you first have to ask yourself the question we're
talking to Bill O'Reilly is this news? And then secondarily
you ask, okay, is it relevant news? I don't even
get to the second question, because Trump doing even if
(10:49):
he did it a body birthday card twenty some odd
years ago for Jeffrey Epstein, to me, isn't news. Epstein
wasn't a felon then, and so I don't think it
would surprise anybody that Trump might have a little bit
of a locker room sense of humor back for much
of his life. I mean, that's been well chronicled. I'm
just kind of surprised that they chose even to run
(11:11):
that story.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, three things involved here number one year correct. It
is not a news story on its own. But what
the press is trying to do is link Trump to
Epstein in doing bad things. That's what this is all about.
That's what the Trump That's why President Trump should stay
(11:35):
away from this one hundred percent. What the dishonest, corrupt,
corporate media in America is trying to do is convince
Americans that Donald Trump had access to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
and may have participated. That's what the press wants Americans
(11:55):
to believe. So any linkage between Trump and Epstein is
going to be blown up. This is a very simple story.
A forensic can make a determination on whether that card
is in Trump's hand or not. Trump says he didn't
do it and files suit two days later. Two days
two days. I mean, come on, that looks like a
(12:20):
pretty aggressive action to me. And if the journal is wrong, yes,
this is an important point. If the Wall Street Journal
published the story using a bogus birthday card, that's not real.
It was a fraud, the whole thing collapses, not only
(12:41):
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, everything else done. That's how
big this story is.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Let me ask you the last question here. You mentioned
that you talked to President Trump earlier, not asking for
particulars of the conversation. How would you assess his overall
vibe and demeanor as you just talked to him today,
compared to so far in this term and also compared
to last term, how comfortable, how confident did you find
(13:10):
him to be?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's tired, and he's tired because this kind of stuff
wears you down, and he believes that he's doing an
excellent job for the country. Last night, they had a
great deal with Japan announced by Trump administration. Fabulous. He
(13:33):
got not one second of coverage on the nightly newscast
of three of them, not a second. Epstein got ten minutes.
So Trump is furious, furious because this kind of stuff
weighs you down emotionally and mentally. Now he's the strongest
guy I know, I mean, my God, but his hand
(13:54):
is well enough because he has to shake hundreds of
hands a week. I do fis bumps because I got
to take a lot of hands too. Everybody knows me
wherever I go, but I don't shake hands, and I
tell people, look, I can't have a swollen Hey. Well,
Trump's hand is bothering them. It's painful. Okay. So he's
going over to Scotland. WHI play some golf over there,
(14:16):
get some you know, cooler temperatures. And I was asking him,
I said, look, you know you're only a person because
I know him so long, and I said, you know,
you gotta be a little You got to carry yourself
here physically and everything. You got it. And that's why
my advice, and I hope it takes it. Don't acknowledge
(14:38):
this ebscene thing at all. Let the Justice Department handle it.
And that's that.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Bill O'Reilly fantastic as always. The book coming out is
confronting evil, assessing the worst of the worst. It will
be out September ninth. We look forward and talking to
you again. You can also check them out at Bill
O'Reilly dot com read his columns there. Appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
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it's YouTube dot com slash Bill O'Reilly and it's totally
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I appreciate you having me on Tell Buck. I think
he's faking it, Okay, all right, but I'll be listening
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on Monday when you guys get together. Again.
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You can also check out our YouTube page, Bill O'Reilly's
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What do we have? I'm pulling it up right now,
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I'm gonna play a couple of cuts there of you
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Producer Ali just said, I can't believe he's got a
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to some of the questions that you guys ask that
you might be out there. By the way, we did
not talk about it yesterday a ton, but the federal
(20:07):
District court judge refuse to release an Obama appointee refuse
to release the grand jury transcripts of the Jeffrey Epstein
case as the Trump administration has had requested. You heard
Bill O'Reilly talk about that a little bit, because in
grand jury proceedings there's a ton of hearsay, lots of
(20:29):
things are allowed to be said that would not be
admissible in a traditional court of law, and so the
general rule is that you do not release those transcripts
because somebody sitting as a witness, without being cross examined,
could make an accusation that's one hundred percent untrue, and
then it gets out into the larger public arena and
(20:49):
people just presume it to be true. But a bunch
of you out there listening Adam FF on the talkback
says he's got a on how you could get Obama
related to Russia Gate.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Listen, hey, Clay, I believe that you could get Obama
on falsifying intelligence information. His intelligence agencies gave him information.
He released information that was not consistent with that. I
don't recall Trump getting any charges dropped because of presidential
(21:26):
immunity because he took information given to him, falsified it,
and released it.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think that would be a hard reach because I
think what Obama would say. And again, I think you
have to think about this not only as the prosecutor,
but also as the defense attorney. And this is what
you have to do when you are a lawyer. You
have to not only think about the case that you're
going to make, you have to think about the counterpunches.
Go read the opinion that the Supreme Court released that
(21:55):
basically said Trump can't be charged for any action that
he undertook as president. Now, they delegated between the official
acts of the president and purely private acts because and
we made this analogy before. If the president picked up
(22:17):
on the resolute desk a paperweight and dashed someone in
the side of the head and they were severely injured.
I don't think anybody out there would say, oh, that's
an official act of the president. They probably would argue
it was right. That would be the defense partly that
the president would levy in that case. But the president
(22:38):
could be prosecuted in that situation. What Obama did, which
is in some way interpret whether you like or don't like,
the interpretation of the information that his intelligence agencies gave him.
That's not his full time job to be an intelligence agent.
He relies on the intelligence agencies to present information to him.
(23:02):
I don't particularly think that he was honest, but you
would have to prove that he knowingly falsified information and
chose to distribute it illegally. I don't think you could
do that. I don't think given the presidential powers. And
by the way, I don't know that we want. I mean,
(23:23):
are you going to go back in time and are
you going to charge George W. Bush because his intelligence
agencies told him that there were weapons of mass destruction,
which they did in Iraq. He relied on those interpretations.
And by the way, I'm sure back in those days
that there were all sorts of differing intelligence interpretations, and
(23:45):
some people said and got shouted down inside of those
intelligence agencies. Hey, I don't think there's evidence to support
WMD's in Iraq. We shouldn't go to war there. I
think they would have gotten shouted down. We went to
war there, there were not those weapons of mass destruction.
So should George W. Bush be prosecuted for the fact
(24:06):
that we went to war on false pretenses? I don't
think so. And so I think the idea of saying, hey,
you took some intelligence information, and remember Obama put it
out in the end of his presidency. I would argue,
by far, the biggest intelligence failure leaving a side nine
(24:28):
to eleven of our lives was the decision to go
to war with Iraq, which George W. Bush Dick Cheney,
I would argue, spun up by incentivizing the intelligence agencies
to encourage them to do it. I think it's the
worst decision based on intelligence that has been made other
than the failure to stop nine to eleven in the
twenty first century. But I also don't think George W.
(24:52):
Bush should be charged with crimes, and even if he were,
I think he would be protected by the Supreme Court
ruling that just came down that said Trump is basically
free and clear because we want to give broad scope
to the president of the United States to execute his
powers without worrying about criminal prosecution. So the same precedent
(25:12):
that protected Trump in twenty twenty for investigating that election
would also, I think quite clearly protect Obama in twenty sixteen.
Now you can spin up arguments. Not a bad argument
that the caller made. I'm just saying, if I'm sitting
there looking at this, I would be stunned beyond belief
if the Obama case wasn't tossed out immediately by the
(25:33):
courts on appeal. And that presumes that you could get
a grand jury to even indict him, which I certainly
don't think you could do. In Washington, DC, BB in Milwaukee, Mike,
what you got for me?
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Oh, Clay and Buck, This is Mike in the Trances, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Love your show.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
What I want to say is that they need to
take full legal action.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And all these criminals, from Obama down to Brennan Clapper,
all of them.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It is treason at the highest level.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It was wrecking our country.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
We need to address it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
They got to pay.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's time. I think the intelligence agencies and their heads
should face consequences. I'm not sure that we're going to
get a conviction. I'm not sure that we're going to
get an indictment. Those guys don't have the same protection
that Obama does because again, go back and read what
the Supreme Court said, go back and listen to when
(26:30):
that decision came down, everybody said, oh my goodness, this
is how dictatorships began. This is authoritarianism. I said, it's
actually a really good decision. Whether it's a Democrat, Republican
or an independent. We want the president to have the
scope to do his job. We do, and we don't
want him worried that if he makes the decision, he's
(26:50):
going to face criminal charges when he leaves office. The
Democrats were wrong to try to do it to Trump,
But what the Supreme Court did is say, hey, basically,
we're never going to allow this to happen to any
president again. And so I think the chances of it
being applied to Obama, that same precedent would protect him
here from charges. I really do. Attila is the name Attila,
(27:14):
like Attila the hun Also in Wisconsin. What you got
for me, you got it from Green Bay area, all right?
So hold on, is your name actually Attila?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
It is?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
So did your dad and mom name you after Attila
the hun?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think, So.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That's a hell of a thing. I've never heard this,
all right, So, uh, that is a hell of a move.
I would love to know how that happened, all right.
So I that's the name I've never heard of before
in the modern era. But that's pretty awesome, all right,
what you got for us?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Okay, I'm not the I'm not the attorney, absolutely obviously,
so I'd like you to get your cannons out and
get ready to blow my theory out of the water.
But I was going to disagree with what y'all said yesterday.
But in as far as the prosecution goes like, no,
(28:09):
they can't be prosecuted, I think.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Sorry, who did you do?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Sorry to cut you off, But you're saying they can't
be prosecuted, meaning I think Obama can't be prosecuted. I
think that would immediately get shot out of the water.
But I do think there is a possibility that others
could be prosecuted. So when you say they, do you
think also Obama could be prosecuted or who is they?
Speaker 6 (28:33):
I think I don't like the idea of presidence being prosecuted.
The Democrats started this whole thing, but I think under
eighteen USC.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Section two seventy one, Yeah, Buck talked about this, it's.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
An ongoing crime. Okay, so the crime never ended. It's ongoing.
And then there's the cover up, which leads to obstruction charges.
All right, So since they have not read, uh, they
have not addressed the conspiracy, the seditious conspiracy. This is
ongoing crime. And underneath Obama, I think are are Brennan
(29:18):
call me and Susan Rice, who doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Those three are are the main ones. And I'd like
to see all them and people underneath like Clapper and
all these people get charged as well.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
All Right, thank you for thank you for the call.
I'm gonna blow a lot of people's mind because I
haven't seen a lot of discussion about this, and the
Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this. But I
think he Attila there raises a really interesting question. I
have said. I think Obama is protected by, ironically the
precedent that the Supreme Court put in place to say
you can't charge Trump for official acts that took place
(29:57):
while he was president. What has not he had been
applied stringently. Is I think a really interesting question to
what extent does presidential power also descend to the people
that the president deputizes to undertake the actions that he
believes is within the province of his power. In other words,
(30:20):
if we believe that President Trump has the right to
investigate twenty twenty, then clearly when he tells his attorney general, hey,
I want this fully executed. The attorney general serves at
the pleasure of the president as a part of his cabinet,
then the attorney general is protected in theory, in my analysis,
(30:46):
because the president has protection, it would be highly unfair.
Think about this. If your boss can tell you to
do something, you do it at his direction, and then
your action is criminal and his action is not criminal.
I think most of you out there would say, well,
that doesn't make sense. I mean, take it outside of
(31:07):
the presidential purview. And if you are an officer and
your officer is giving you a direct order, and that
officer can never be charged because we're saying, hey, he
has basically presidential immunity, and then you can be charged
for executing his directive. I think that the powers of
(31:31):
the president are going to be seen in the years
ahead as more of these cases rise up to also
descend to the direct respondents of the president's power, because
otherwise I think it would be profoundly unfair if a
president's associate right subordinate is able to be charged with
(31:53):
crimes that the president himself could not be because the
power of the associate descends from the power of the president.
Does that make sense? And so I think, again I'm
just kind of sketching this out. One of the challenges
of pursuing criminal charges here will be if you can't
charge Obama, how can you charge people for executing the
(32:14):
directives of Obama? I think it becomes very challenging. Again,
there are people out there who have prominent shows, and
they're going to come on and they're going to tell
you Obama's going to be in handcuffs and everybody's gonna
get purp walked, and everybody's going to be held accountable.
I'm telling you, I don't really think this show is
in the business of telling you things that we don't
(32:36):
think are going to happen. Are going to happen. Doesn't
mean we're not going to get things wrong. But I
think you have to be careful, look around, and pay attention.
If people are consistently telling you things that prove not
to be true, then over time you should trust them less.
And I think that's why this show has continued to grow,
because we're not always right on everything, but we get
(32:57):
a lot right and our analysis, I think, is a
little bit more detailed than what you're gonna get elsewhere.
I'll take some of your calls. You can react to this. Also,
we got some funny stuff. I'm problems, I'm gonna make
you laugh, and a lot of you are weighing in with. Unfortunately,
if you're just getting in your car the death of
Hulk Hogan seventy one years old, a lot of you
wanted to weigh in with responses to that, and so
(33:21):
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. A lot
of talk rolling in from people who are sad to
see the news that Hulk Cogan has passed today at
the age of seventy one. Here are several different talkbacks
I wanted to play you from Davenport, Iowa. Let's start
with cc Hey.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
I just wanted to give a shout out to Hal
Cogan's family. I met the man back in twenty ten,
twenty eleven when I worked at the Wounded Warrior Project.
He came to visit a bunch of wounded veterans. He's
a huge guy, great personality. He will be missed.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Podcast listener Eli says, not surprisingly that he and his
brothers used to imitate hul Cogan brother back in the day.
D d Hi Clay just heard.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
The news of my childhood hero Paul Cogan passing away
and just remembering all of the times my younger brothers
and I would imitate flying off the ropes and you know,
hulk Mania and just wrestling around on the floor and
having a good time because of these guys. And it's hard,
(36:12):
no doubt one more.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
EE Greg says he actually flew around Hulk Hogan and
Randy Savage. I'm jealous back in the day. This is
Greg from Sandy Hook, Connecticut.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
I'm a corporate pilot and the very first celebrity I
ever flew back in the mid nineties was Hulk Hogan,
and he brought along Randy Savage and the Big Show
on a trip up from Tampa to Cincinnati. We were
so heavy that we couldn't even make it without stopping
for fuel. Really nice guys, They were a blast to fly.
He will be missed.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Rest in peace indeed. Hulk Hogan Final Hour Thursday Edition
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