December 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into some of the most pressing cultural and political issues dominating headlines. The hour begins with President Trump’s rally in Pennsylvania, where he addresses affordability concerns and economic messaging ahead of the 2026 midterms. Trump touts falling gas prices—some states reporting under $2 per gallon—and emphasizes his administration’s efforts to stabilize energy markets despite lingering inflation caused by Biden-era policies. Clay and Buck analyze how affordability will be a key battleground issue, noting that Democrats are leveraging economic frustration while Trump counters with tangible progress on energy and cost-of-living metrics.
The conversation then pivots to immigration and welfare abuse, spotlighting a shocking statistic: 81% of Somali immigrant families in Minnesota are on welfare. Clay and Buck argue this violates the spirit and letter of the Immigration and Nationality Act’s “public charge” rule, which prohibits admitting immigrants likely to become dependent on government aid. They blast the bipartisan failure to enforce these laws and highlight cultural and educational disparities that drive such dependency. The hosts contrast Somali immigrants’ outcomes with high-achieving groups like Nigerian and Taiwanese Americans, dismantling claims that racism explains economic gaps and stressing the need for merit-based immigration reform.
From immigration, the hour transitions to a major cultural debate: Australia’s decision to ban social media for anyone under 16. Clay strongly supports the move, comparing social media’s mental health impact to smoking and arguing that early exposure has fueled anxiety, bullying, and predatory risks for teens. Buck adds that online platforms erode attention spans and expose minors to grooming and sextortion schemes, citing chilling cases where teenage boys were blackmailed into suicide after being targeted by fake accounts. Both hosts call for U.S. policymakers to consider similar restrictions, framing social media as a public health crisis and urging parents to advocate for age-based limits akin to driving or drinking laws.
The discussion expands into broader societal implications, including the dangers of digital permanence, the rise of AI-driven scams, and the cultural shift toward instant gratification. Clay and Buck emphasize that delaying social media access would improve mental health, restore face-to-face interaction, and reduce risks tied to online predators. They invite listener feedback through polls and calls, sparking a lively exchange on whether America should follow Australia’s lead.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Buck Sexton here in the entire Clay En Buck Show,
wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and
a joyful New Year. Okay, second hour Clay and Buck
kicks off. Now I'm gonna make you guys a promise
we got. We don't have a guest at one thirty today,
do we, Alley producer Alley, No, we don't.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
To make that promise, and then they're like, Jade Vance
is joining us, Like damn it, fuck, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, we don't have a guest today. At the bottom
of this hour, So.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Clay put a pin in it, because we've promised this
for days, we will talk about the Australia social media
band for kids, which is the lead story on Fox
News right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm sure a lot of you are gonna have thoughts
on this one. I very much.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've already been thinking about how I'm gonna handle this
issue as my little boy gets older and I want
to keep them as much in the real world. I
want to keep my son as much in the real
world and delay the virtual world as long as I can.
That's my and Clay I know you've done anyway. I
don't want to get ahead of it because we're going
to dive into it. Producer, if I start, if we
(01:01):
start blabbing about Clay's rose, just be like, no, throw
a flag.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We have to talk to Australia.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So because we promised we would talking about that, Okay,
so that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We will get to that at this hour.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You can send us your thoughts and talkbacks in the
meantime on it, and then at the very end we'll
get to some of those. A few things going on here.
One is Trump is recognizing already the Democrats are going
to run on this affordability issue because a lot of
people are very frustrated about the economy. And that's real,
that's out there, and you got to deal with it.
You have to deal with it on the messaging front.
(01:32):
You also have to deal with it on the numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Was interesting Uncle Bill yesterday was with us Bill Riley
Clay and he seemed, from what I could gather to
think that to say that, yeah, there's some stuff that's expensive,
but also some of this is perception driven. And you
know the Democrats or are fomenting discontent to the degree
they can with.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
This affordability issue.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
We'll get into this, but Trump was at a rally
in Pennsylvania specifically on this issue of affordability, and because
it's Trump, there were a lot of things that were covered,
including this ilha Omar rant which is cut two, which
I think you should all hear.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love this elan Omar.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Whatever the hell her there is with the little shoe,
the little turban, I love her. She comes in there's
nothing but bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
She's always complained.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
She comes from her country where I mean, it's considered
about the worst country in the world. Right, they have
no military, they have no nothing, they have no parliament.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
They don't know what they held.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The word parliament means.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They have nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They have no police. They police themselves. They kill each
other all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She comes to our.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Country and she's always complaining about the constitution allows me
to do this the concert we would to get her
to hell out.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
She married her.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Brother in order to get in, right, she married her brother.
Can you imagine if Donald's I'm married beautiful, she's a
beautiful person. If I married my sister to get my citizenship,
do you think I'd last for about two hours?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Ago?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It would it be something less than that she married
her brother to get in. Therefore she's here illegally. She
should get the hell out, Throw the hell out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
She does nothing but complains Clay, This got a lot
of attention.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We will get into some of the actual economic policy
and affordability stuff. But ilhan omar interesting. She's getting so
much more heat these days than aoc an other member
of the so called squad.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah. Look, and you can say, oh, that's not the
best way to focus attention. I just shared this. This
is from in Wokeness, great account to follow on Twitter.
According to their analysis this graphic that they shared, here's
a question for you, buck, what percentage of smally families
(04:02):
in Minnesota are on welfare?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh, I'm sixty seventy. I would guess eighty one percent.
Seventy wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Eighty one. Yeah, it's good, veryod.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
But so here's a I mean, like, leave aside anybody
from any country. How in the world have we created
an immigration system by which anyone that we bring into
the country at all should ever be able to go
on welfare? I'm sorry if you are an American citizen,
(04:36):
as virtually everybody listening to this show is right. Now,
why should our taxpayer dollars in any way go to
immigrants who come to this country and immediately go on welfare.
I mean, I don't even understand how this is a Republican,
Democrat or independent issue. It should be one hundred percent
of Americans say yeah, that's wrong. If we need to
(05:00):
support American citizens, that's people who are born in the
United States with welfare, to help people get back on
their feet, to help the families have more success. That
is the decision that I think is one that charity
we have made now. Is the welfare system abused? Could
it be more efficiently run? All of these things are true.
(05:23):
There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in
this country. That's eighty one percent data point shared by
end Wokeness.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Under the Immigration and Nationality Act. Under existing federal statute,
there's something called the public charge rule where for anyone
who is supposed to be none This is for legal
immigrants to be clear for legal immigrants, for anyone who
is a prospective legal immigrant into America. This is the
law I am telling you right now. They are supposed
(05:55):
to assess whether this person will be is likely to
become dependent on government aid in the future. And if
the answer is yes, they are not supposed to be
allowed to immigrate to America. So understand that the law
says they're supposed to be assessing are.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You probably gonna need welfare? If the answer is yes,
you don't get to come and stay here.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And yet eighty percent of Somali immigrant families to Minnesota,
eighty percent, eight out of ten, are getting welfare. What
this tells you is that they are just ignoring what
the law is. And I'm talking about the system, the
immigration system that we have.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Law is ignored.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
People are allowed in. We can all tell they're gonna
need welfare. They're scamming the American people, not just the Somalis.
I'm talking about the people that have been running our
immigration system, and a lot of Republicans too. This is
a bypartisan scam, my friends, that has been run. How
many people even know about the public charge rule? How
often do you see this talked about on CNF Never
(07:01):
opposed to assess that should be a blanket.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
No you're gonna need You're gonna need welfare. Sorry, not
allowed to come to America.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I don't care how sad you are, how teary, eyed
you are, because we're not the words.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We're not the world's soup kitchen.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah. Look, and I understand if you say that should
never happen, and it happens ten percent of the time,
you would say, you know what, there's a rounding error there.
We're not gonna be perfect in analyzing people's ability to
make a move like this. It might happen sometimes eighty
one percent. If it's over fifty, the default should be
(07:37):
no one from those countries is allowed to immigrate here.
I'm sorry because you if you're flipping a coin on
whether or not we're gonna have to provide state federal
resources for people from American taxpayers to come to our country.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
What this is?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
This is bonkers, okay? And so if it's an eighty
one percent, it basically means that almost everybody coming from
that country is going to immediately use up our taxpayer
dollars in order to live here.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are we doing how?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
I would love to see this broken down by country
of origin, because I would think you could basically look
at it. I would bet that there is a five
percent use of welfare if you're coming from Sweden to
the United States. If you're coming to Japan, from Japan
to the United States, if you're coming from so I mean,
(08:30):
we can just look at the list. That's the people
we should be breeding.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I would wager that less than one percent of Taiwanese
Americans are on welfare, less than one percent of Taiwanese
American immigrant They tend to be at the very very
top of the income scale we went over.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Remember we talked about this yesterday. And if the people
want to say, are you being racist? Nigerian Americans are
doing great.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Nigerian Americans immigrants from Nigeria are about eighty k a household,
doing very nicely.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Some people are saying very nice, Actually they do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Somali Americans are forty. Something's going on there. It's cultural,
it's the community. It's what the expectations are for the
new arrivals. It's what the community that's there is pushing.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
So your ability to actually have skill set to make
you a strong member of the American workforce. Do you
speak the language, do you have education? Look, I mean,
you guys all know this. There are people who have
had extremely high level jobs in other countries that come
here and have to drive taxi cabs around, have to
run gas stations. Have you know a lot of achievement
(09:35):
in other countries. They come here, they have to start
at the floor, but they have a skill set that
allows them to be able to make a living and
a work ethic that is second to none that will
allow them to have success. Eighty one percent. Eighty one percent. Basically,
everyone listening to us in Minnesota right now, explain to
me how bringing all of these somalies in that has
(09:59):
meant that you're our tax dollars go to non American
citizens to immediately basically create a huge safety net for
people that have no love for your country, no recognition
of its excellence, and frankly limited to no benefit to
the state of Minnesota. This is just a lie we've
been being told, and most people are not even looking
at the data. To me, it's just if you can't
(10:21):
come to this country and avoid going on welfare. To
your point, bucket is the law, then how are we
not applying it? How are we not limiting people from
these countries when they're immediately riving here and taking advantage
of our goodwill.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I just think the public charge rules is one of
the best examples though, of they've been lying to you
about immigration for decades now. They don't want people to
know what the law even is because they use those
laws to get things past that the time, Oh we're
going to have a public charge rule. Oh, but we're
going to increase the H one b's in this country.
At the same time, they use these things to throw
(10:57):
people off so they don't know what's really happening. And
to your point about the eighty one percent Clay, that
means that the exception is Samali immigrants to this country
who aren't on welfare, who aren't just taking from the
public treasury. And we're not even talking about the fraud stuff.
Well we have talked about that, but I'm saying that's
in addition to all of this. But let's just go
(11:19):
for a second here. I know this is a little
bit of a hard term. We have a little time
on this one because we have to talk Australia social
media stuff because everyone's fired up about it. Trump talking
about the economy. Here he is on Gosh, we have
we Here he is talking about gas cut cut five play.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
This one, please no, Well, who are right down, Darlie.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
More oil that we've ever done ever before.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Prices are way down.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
We just had four states. Who was just reported that
four states had one dollar and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Again, there's some moving.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Claire.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There's a whole hit list here of no tax on
tips of the farmers, of all these things. So we
can get into some of this. But Trump is out
there telling everybody. I understand, you're being told the economy
is really bad and some things are pinched. The prices
are high because of bide inflation, but we're doing good things,
and he's trying to remind everybody of that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Look, and price of oil and gas is one of
the places that people go to the most to think
about cost of goods. Again, I can't speak to everyone's
price of gas everywhere in the country, but this morning,
on my drive down, I stopped to fill up my
gas tank two dollars and fifty cents a gallon. Okay,
between Nashville where I live in Birmingham, Alabama. I stopped
(12:45):
just a little ways outside in Nashville. Two dollars and
fifty cents a gallon. That is, if you adjust for inflation,
probably a record low price in most of our lives.
When it comes to how much it costs to fill
up for gas. Now, some of you were going to say,
wait a minute, lay, I'm saying adjusting for inflation, because
unfortunately Joe Biden drove the cost of everything up twenty
(13:06):
five percent at least over the last several years, So
we're now at four year lows dollar to dollar adjusted
for inflation. I think gas at two fifty a gallon
what I just paid for, I think that's probably the
cheapest gas has ever been in my life. And I
mean that again, adjusted for inflation. And some of you
out there are going to say, well, it was a nickel,
(13:28):
you know. Okay, Well, I don't know how that would
it cost back in nineteen forty two when you were
paying a nickel a gallon or whatever the heck it was.
But in my life, two dollars and fifty cents adjusted
best price for gas that I can ever remember seeing
as a function of inflation. That actually be a good graphic.
Maybe one of our team can figure that out. Maybe Chet,
gpt or or Groc can tell you. In fact, I'll
(13:49):
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I said, yeah, well, forty percent off if you use
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Speaker 6 (15:50):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Holiday Music
Bringing us back. We got a lot of holiday music feedback.
We'll have some fun. By the way, open the phone
lines eight hundred and two two eight A two. This
Australia banning under sixteen year olds from social media. I'm
gonna like set it up for all of you to
(16:12):
be able to weigh in on this. But let me
give you a quick take, and we'll also have some
fun with your anger over my holiday music takes. Let
me give you a quick take here, Buck, and we'll
set the table a bit more when we come back.
I actually think Australia has this right, and I understand
people out there who are gonna say, Clay, what are
(16:32):
you talking about? Look, in general, you can't vote until
you're eighteen. You can't drive a car, This is general
in the United States, can't drive a car until you're sixteen,
can't drink alcohol till you're twenty one. To my knowledge, Buck,
you can't even rent a car until you're like twenty five. Right,
I don't think you can get a hotel room until
you're twenty five years old. What do you think is
(16:56):
more likely to have a negative impact someone rent seeing
a car at twenty five or someone thirteen or fourteen
years old on social media? I think that we have
stumbled into a world of social media where we had
no idea what the consequences were, and I think we're
(17:17):
just now seeing the mental health impact here.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Will kids cheat on this? Yes, one billion percent. Kids
are smarter at tech than the parents are. They'll lie
about their age, they'll fight to get on, but I
think the premise is the right one.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're moving through this one pretty quickly. You got to
lay this in. We've gotta let this breathe, they gotta
let this see if people agree with me.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
It may be that, like.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We're gonna talk about this in the next segment, right,
or if you just done setting out the table. I'm
setting the table for for here. What I think is
the is the right take. And I actually agree with
Australia and I disagreed with much of what they have
done in Australia to this point. Like you said, it
turned into East Germany with the East Germany with Koalas. Yeah,
(18:00):
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Speaker 6 (18:14):
He doesn't have his own cell phone, he doesn't have
the ability to get on social media. He has a
rapid radio. So if he's out running around in the neighborhood,
and we want to stay in touch with him and
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(18:36):
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Speaker 2 (18:45):
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Speaker 6 (18:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:04):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know, Clay, I'm just gonna hand this off to
you because you're very fired off about their Australia things.
I'm not even gonna set this one up. I'm gonna
let you set this one up. Australia. It's just gone
into effect. Social media band for children tell everybody, what's
going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Look, every kid in America is on social media, and
a lot of them are getting on social media at ten, eleven,
twelve years old. They're lying about their age, and it
has been shown to be incredibly destructive to mental health
for so many kids out there and a lot of parents. Frankly,
(19:42):
because social media just exploded in the last several years,
they didn't really know what they were doing. I think
we're going to look back on much of social media
as a modern day equivalent to smoking, meaning there were
huge risk factors that many people undertook without realizing what
they were getting into. And so recently schools have decided, hey,
(20:06):
you know what, we're not going to make it standard
that kids can sider around most schools with their cell
phones all day long. And overwhelmingly behavior has gotten better,
Kids pay better attention in class, there's less conflict. I
think the standard across the United States. Every state I
think should have the ability to make their own decision
(20:27):
on this. But I think a standard of kids aren't
allowed on social media until sixteen would be healthy. I
would support it. And you can say, Okay, well, kids
are still gonna cheat and they're gonna make fake accounts,
and they're gonna lie about their ages and all those things. Yeah,
I get it, but that happens with everything. Where you
(20:47):
said an age limit, it doesn't mean it's going to
be infallible. I think what would be important, buck is
most kids say, now I've got to be on social
media because all my friends are on social media. I
think if you can eliminate that as a standard act
where everybody else's kids aren't on either, and kids have
to go back to some form a face to face interaction. Remember,
(21:11):
they can still text, they can still make phone calls,
things like that that you know kids I think have
been doing for some time. I think overwhelmingly mental health
would get better. I just I think it's a no brainer.
I think Australia has got it one hundred percent right.
I'm curious what this audience would say. I'm going to
actually put up a poll, and maybe there's some kids
(21:34):
that are already out for Christmas that want to call
in and tell me why. I'm an old unk and
I'm wrong about this, but I would support this for
my own kids being kept off social media. We have
tried to keep them off social media as long as
we can. And look, I've got one that's about to
be sixteen at least in the near future. I've got
one that's seventeen, so they would probably argue with me.
(21:58):
In fact, they know they would. Kids often argue for
things that are not in their best interest, and I
think a standard rule of sixteen and up to get
social media, just like you have to generally be sixteen
to get a driver's license, would be a good call.
Your kids are young. This will be resolved, I think
to a large extent by the time your kids are older.
I think for a lot of us out there that
(22:18):
are parents around my age, social media just kind of
exploded about two thousand and eight and most parents really
didn't know what to do with it. I think we're
now seeing some of the major deletarious impacts that have occurred,
and we're responding to it in late fashion. But I
think Australia's right. I would support this nationwide.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, there's multiple levels here of what's going on.
There's the safety issue where children are being expelled and
I mean actual physical safety right as well as psychological safety,
but being exposed to predators and all kinds of very
concerning stuff online because at some left online is like
(23:00):
the wild West, right, It's just you can be talking
to somebody. Especially with AI now, people can be very
sophisticated about pretending to be somebody that they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And whether it's.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Scammers or predators or a whole range of nefarious online entities. Kids,
you have to protect the kids from that stuff. So
that's that's the first and most important line of this,
I think is the we got to make sure that
your kids aren't being groomed, that the kids aren't being
you know, targeted, and and you know, you don't know
(23:33):
as a parent, right because you think, oh, my kids
home with me, they're safe. You don't realize that they're
making a plan and maybe they're gonna lie to you
about it. I mean, we've all read the stories, we
see what goes on. So that part of it, the
safety part of it, I'm just all in favor of
and think it makes it a whole lot of sense.
And then there's sort of the more social and societal
aspect of it, where uh, you know, this stuff is
(23:56):
is a generally speaking, it's a giant time waster, and
it's something that I think really affects people's ability to
not only interact with other human beings live and in person,
but also I think it's affecting our attention spans in
ways that are a big problem.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
People now are being trained, like our brains are all
being trained to consume things in sixty or thirty or
even five second bites of information, and that's actually not.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
A good thing. So I like it on that level
as well.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I would want children, kids, adolescents to be, you know,
to have basically formed some level of who they are
and some layers of judgment before they are going online,
because the other part of this is too and what's
online kind of lasts forever, as we know. And I
(24:52):
think it's a good thing that if you're having a
bad day as a fourteen year old, you're not necessarily
posting things to a public message board.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Not only that you can't be reached by other classmates
on social media that everyone can see instantaneously. If you
had an awful experience at high school or in middle school,
when in nineteen eighty eight, you didn't come home and
then have everybody talking about it or posting a video
of it or constantly denigrating you. I just this is
(25:22):
a no brainer to me, and you mentioned safety. I
saw Marsha Blackburn, Senator from Tennessee, shared this story. I
think it was reported by the New York Post. And
this is something I think you should be talking to
your kids and grandkids about and something that I talk
to my kids about, and if your young kids out
there listening to us right now, you should be aware
of it. Pois in particular, have you seen this awful
story about there are a ton of fake accounts pretending
(25:44):
to be pretty girls, and they jump in the DM.
They create these fake profiles. They then reach out to
young boys, you know, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old boys,
and they start trying to talk to them in a
sexually suggective manner and eventually get them to send pictures.
And then as soon as the pictures are sent, they
demand payment of money or they say they're going to
(26:04):
send the pictures to all your friends, all your family.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Buck.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
There are a bunch of kids, teenage boys that have
committed suicide over this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm in favor of the death penalty for people to
do this. By the way, I would set them up
in front of a firing squad and not lose a
second of sleep or anything else. If you do this
to a k like that, you deserve, you deserve to
be ended ended. I think it should be a death
penalty offense to do this to children.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
The problem with that, of course, is that many of
these accounts originate in overseas markets.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I know it's tough to track them down, but I
think I know some veterans, I know some people that
we could get together a little with Interpol. We could
track these pieces of absolute vermin down. And I'm just
saying it's so evil what they do. And I truly
mean that, I would be in favor of Congress passing
the law that if you engage in sextortion, which is
(26:58):
what they call these crimes against against children, death penalty,
I take them out.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't have a problem with it at all.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You mean, we're growing up, we're blowing up the drug
you know, the drug runners. Yeah, so we find somebody internationally,
you know, whatever, whatever we got to do, we got
to take care of this because this is it's it's horrible.
There are kids that have committed suicide because of this.
It's the most evil thing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And you want this to stop.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Let people know we're going to track them down anywhere
in the world and they're really going to pay a price
on this.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I just put a posted a poll. I said, I
think Australia got it right. By the way, eight hundred
and two A two two eight A two. I think
a lot of you are going to have strong opinions
on this. Katie Miller, who just interviewed to Elon Musk,
scheduled to join us at the top of the next hour.
She's a mom of a bunch of kids. I think
she will have a strong take on this. And uh,
I want to see. I'm curious. You can go vote
(27:46):
in the poll. Do you agree with me that Australia
got it right? Do you disagree? And I understand some
people are going to say, well, this is what parents
need to do, Clay, this is what parenting is all about.
Kids in general are way more sophisticated with social media
than parents are. And the biggest problem I will tell
you that parents are going to have is when the
(28:08):
standard is every other kid is on social media and
you don't allow your kid on social media, that makes
it harder for parents to keep them off. If the
standard is nobody is allowed on right. If that's the standard,
then there will be far fewer kids that are getting
on social media. And if you told me right now,
(28:29):
we've got a driver's license age of sixteen, that seems
reasonable to me. Social media seems akin to driving a
car in that you need to have a certain level
of maturity to be able to do it, because there are,
as Buck was just laying out substantial risk factors associated
with a social media account to say nothing of Well,
(28:49):
we were just talking about sex stortion and all the
awful things that can happen. But you can just be
a moron, and you can just do stupid things that
get you kicked out of school or cost you college
admissions because you were super, super dumb when you were
thirteen or fourteen years old. I always like to say
there is no person on the planet that is dumber
(29:11):
and more filled with self confidence that they are actually
brilliant than teenage boys. Teenage boys are the dumb and
you and I have.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Both been So I thought I was really smart as
a teenager, and then in my twenties I had a
lot of humility heaped on me. So yeah, the fifteen
and sixteen year old boy is the dumbest creature that
is convinced it is the smartest creature in the history
of mankind. There is no gap in the history of
our lives between reality versus expectation of what you think
(29:41):
of yourself versus the reality of yourself than a fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen year old boy. I think, to the best extent,
we can protect morons from being morons. And that is
pretty much every teenage boy. I always like to say, bluck.
I've been talking about this for a long time. Difference
between teenage boys and teenage girls. No teenage girls final
two words or ever watched this. The teenage boys are
(30:04):
always trying to get attention, They're always trying to impress girls.
They're always taking risks and doing stupid, super stupid things,
and so this is certainly true for boys. I think
for girls it's even scarier in many ways, Buck, because
teenage girls are preyed upon even more than teenage boys
and even pre teen girls. I mean, there are a
(30:25):
lot of creeps on social media accounts out there, so
I think the standard of sixteen. We'll take a bunch
of your calls. We got loaded lines on this. Eight
hundred two two eight a two.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
This is a big topic as Australia's band has officially
gone into place.
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We have got a ton of you who want to
weigh in on a variety of different topics.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Let's start here.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Derek in Arizona says it's the parent's responsibility.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Ll I'm sixty one years old. It's the parent's responsibility
to regulate their kids, period, just like you do your kids.
Another thing I will awesome say is what's Australia does.
Just think about what they did during the pandemic. I'm sorry,
(32:40):
no making a looking like that here?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, okay.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
So what I would say to the people out there
who say it's the parent's responsibility, it's a very valid argument.
Let me just ask that is it the parents' responsibility
to stop their kids from drinking alcohol until they're twenty one.
Is it the parents responsibility to stop their kid from
driving until they're sixteen? Is that the parents' responsibility to
(33:06):
ensure that your kid doesn't go vote before they're eighteen?
Why would you agree that there should be age limitations
on certain things based on maturity and ability of kids
to handle responsibility, Like parents don't get to decide, Hey.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
What age parents can't get a car? Yeah, I was
gonna say, parents can't just be like, eh, like, but
you know, Joey's cool, he's fifteen. I'm giving him this
handle of vodka. He'll be great. Like, No, that's actually
not allowed.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
And you couldn't decide, hey, you know what, this is
my mature twelve year old. I'm fine with them driving
to school every day. You would get arrested.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So the state Actually some cultures, you know, getting married,
like they do arrange marriages and iran at that age,
like very very illegal in this country with good reason.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
So there are many age restrictions. So I don't buy
the oh, it's the parents' responsibility. Look, parents should have
the right to do a wide variety of things before
the kids are eighteen. I actually think the state has
a tremendous interest in determining for minor children that we
get to the best possible results. Flip side Tim in Arizona,
It's got great taste.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
JJ.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm about your same age, though I don't have any kids,
but I agree one septillian percent with Clay that you
should be a minimum of sixteen to be on any
social media.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You should have to show.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
A valid ID when you sign up, sixteen, eighteen, twenty one,
whatever it takes.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'll give you an exact Why is he with you?
I actually agree, Yeah, there's another guy, you know what
I mean. He's not with Buck. What can I get
a trillion percent with me? Then?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Hey, let me give you.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
An example of something that I think has been effective
age limitation. I think it's in Florida too, Buck in Tennessee.
If you're gonna now look at pornographic material online, you
have to be proved. You have to give your ID
and prove you're over eighteen years old. I'm over eighteen.
I'm not given the state my ID to go look
at pornographic material. I'm just okay, I'm not gonna. But
(35:06):
young kids have been getting access to pornographic material. I
bet the amount of even adults accessing that has diminished substantially.
You know, it used to be hard to get a
Playboy magazine back in the day. It wasn't very easy
to see a naked girl if you're a boy or
girl growing up.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We've kind of run a fifty year experiment in increasing
degeneracy and libertine more rays in this country, and it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's been a bad idea. Robin Arizona, HH hit.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
Rob from Arizona, forty year Retiredly o'clock nineteen is the
best self defense weapon.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
On the market.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I like in nineteen eleven when when it comes to combat,
you forget to flip that switch. Yeah, you're behind the
eight ball that can get you killed. I'm with you, Rob,
No external safety, only in eternal safeties on my block.
I want to pull that trigger. It goes bang one
hundred times out of one hundred. I love gun trash talk.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I'm not even sophisticated enough to be able to get
involved in gun trash talk.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
By the way, load of guy Ron from Toledo, I
appreciate that. You know, he's got to walk around with
you know, with a cane to make sure that he
can balance his nineteen eleven and make sure he can
blow the dust off of it because it's an antique.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's cool. It's no problem.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
When we come back, Katie Miller will join us. Steven
Miller's wife. She just interviewed Elon Musk and the interview
has gone very well viral. But I bet she has
a strong take on this as well. We will also
get to all of your calls if you go eight
hundred and two A two two eight A two fastest way,
as always used the talkback function on the app. Final
hour of the program. Up next, let's keep having some
(36:55):
fun hanging out here.
Buck Sexton here in the entire Clay En Buck Show,
wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and
a joyful New Year. Okay, second hour Clay and Buck
kicks off. Now I'm gonna make you guys a promise
we got. We don't have a guest at one thirty today,
do we, Alley producer Alley, No, we don't.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, I didn't want.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
To make that promise, and then they're like, Jade Vance
is joining us, Like damn it, fuck, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, we don't have a guest today. At the bottom
of this hour, So.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Clay put a pin in it, because we've promised this
for days, we will talk about the Australia social media
band for kids, which is the lead story on Fox
News right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm sure a lot of you are gonna have thoughts
on this one. I very much.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've already been thinking about how I'm gonna handle this
issue as my little boy gets older and I want
to keep them as much in the real world. I
want to keep my son as much in the real
world and delay the virtual world as long as I can.
That's my and Clay I know you've done anyway. I
don't want to get ahead of it because we're going
to dive into it. Producer, if I start, if we
(01:01):
start blabbing about Clay's rose, just be like, no, throw
a flag.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We have to talk to Australia.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So because we promised we would talking about that, Okay,
so that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We will get to that at this hour.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You can send us your thoughts and talkbacks in the
meantime on it, and then at the very end we'll
get to some of those. A few things going on here.
One is Trump is recognizing already the Democrats are going
to run on this affordability issue because a lot of
people are very frustrated about the economy. And that's real,
that's out there, and you got to deal with it.
You have to deal with it on the messaging front.
(01:32):
You also have to deal with it on the numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Was interesting Uncle Bill yesterday was with us Bill Riley
Clay and he seemed, from what I could gather to
think that to say that, yeah, there's some stuff that's expensive,
but also some of this is perception driven. And you
know the Democrats or are fomenting discontent to the degree
they can with.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
This affordability issue.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
We'll get into this, but Trump was at a rally
in Pennsylvania specifically on this issue of affordability, and because
it's Trump, there were a lot of things that were covered,
including this ilha Omar rant which is cut two, which
I think you should all hear.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love this elan Omar.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Whatever the hell her there is with the little shoe,
the little turban, I love her. She comes in there's
nothing but bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
She's always complained.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
She comes from her country where I mean, it's considered
about the worst country in the world. Right, they have
no military, they have no nothing, they have no parliament.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
They don't know what they held.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The word parliament means.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They have nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
They have no police. They police themselves. They kill each
other all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She comes to our.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Country and she's always complaining about the constitution allows me
to do this the concert we would to get her
to hell out.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
She married her.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Brother in order to get in, right, she married her brother.
Can you imagine if Donald's I'm married beautiful, she's a
beautiful person. If I married my sister to get my citizenship,
do you think I'd last for about two hours?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Ago?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It would it be something less than that she married
her brother to get in. Therefore she's here illegally. She
should get the hell out, Throw the hell out.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
She does nothing but complains Clay, This got a lot
of attention.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We will get into some of the actual economic policy
and affordability stuff. But ilhan omar interesting. She's getting so
much more heat these days than aoc an other member
of the so called squad.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah. Look, and you can say, oh, that's not the
best way to focus attention. I just shared this. This
is from in Wokeness, great account to follow on Twitter.
According to their analysis this graphic that they shared, here's
a question for you, buck, what percentage of smally families
(04:02):
in Minnesota are on welfare?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh, I'm sixty seventy. I would guess eighty one percent.
Seventy wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Eighty one. Yeah, it's good, veryod.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
But so here's a I mean, like, leave aside anybody
from any country. How in the world have we created
an immigration system by which anyone that we bring into
the country at all should ever be able to go
on welfare? I'm sorry if you are an American citizen,
(04:36):
as virtually everybody listening to this show is right. Now,
why should our taxpayer dollars in any way go to
immigrants who come to this country and immediately go on welfare.
I mean, I don't even understand how this is a Republican,
Democrat or independent issue. It should be one hundred percent
of Americans say yeah, that's wrong. If we need to
(05:00):
support American citizens, that's people who are born in the
United States with welfare, to help people get back on
their feet, to help the families have more success. That
is the decision that I think is one that charity
we have made now. Is the welfare system abused? Could
it be more efficiently run? All of these things are true.
(05:23):
There should be a zero percent immigrant welfare situation in
this country. That's eighty one percent data point shared by
end Wokeness.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Under the Immigration and Nationality Act. Under existing federal statute,
there's something called the public charge rule where for anyone
who is supposed to be none This is for legal
immigrants to be clear for legal immigrants, for anyone who
is a prospective legal immigrant into America. This is the
law I am telling you right now. They are supposed
(05:55):
to assess whether this person will be is likely to
become dependent on government aid in the future. And if
the answer is yes, they are not supposed to be
allowed to immigrate to America. So understand that the law
says they're supposed to be assessing are.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You probably gonna need welfare? If the answer is yes,
you don't get to come and stay here.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And yet eighty percent of Somali immigrant families to Minnesota,
eighty percent, eight out of ten, are getting welfare. What
this tells you is that they are just ignoring what
the law is. And I'm talking about the system, the
immigration system that we have.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Law is ignored.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
People are allowed in. We can all tell they're gonna
need welfare. They're scamming the American people, not just the Somalis.
I'm talking about the people that have been running our
immigration system, and a lot of Republicans too. This is
a bypartisan scam, my friends, that has been run. How
many people even know about the public charge rule? How
often do you see this talked about on CNF Never
(07:01):
opposed to assess that should be a blanket.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
No you're gonna need You're gonna need welfare. Sorry, not
allowed to come to America.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I don't care how sad you are, how teary, eyed
you are, because we're not the words.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We're not the world's soup kitchen.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah. Look, and I understand if you say that should
never happen, and it happens ten percent of the time,
you would say, you know what, there's a rounding error there.
We're not gonna be perfect in analyzing people's ability to
make a move like this. It might happen sometimes eighty
one percent. If it's over fifty, the default should be
(07:37):
no one from those countries is allowed to immigrate here.
I'm sorry because you if you're flipping a coin on
whether or not we're gonna have to provide state federal
resources for people from American taxpayers to come to our country.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
What this is?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
This is bonkers, okay? And so if it's an eighty
one percent, it basically means that almost everybody coming from
that country is going to immediately use up our taxpayer
dollars in order to live here.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are we doing how?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
I would love to see this broken down by country
of origin, because I would think you could basically look
at it. I would bet that there is a five
percent use of welfare if you're coming from Sweden to
the United States. If you're coming to Japan, from Japan
to the United States, if you're coming from so I mean,
(08:30):
we can just look at the list. That's the people
we should be breeding.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I would wager that less than one percent of Taiwanese
Americans are on welfare, less than one percent of Taiwanese
American immigrant They tend to be at the very very
top of the income scale we went over.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Remember we talked about this yesterday. And if the people
want to say, are you being racist? Nigerian Americans are
doing great.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Nigerian Americans immigrants from Nigeria are about eighty k a household,
doing very nicely.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Some people are saying very nice, Actually they do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Somali Americans are forty. Something's going on there. It's cultural,
it's the community. It's what the expectations are for the
new arrivals. It's what the community that's there is pushing.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
So your ability to actually have skill set to make
you a strong member of the American workforce. Do you
speak the language, do you have education? Look, I mean,
you guys all know this. There are people who have
had extremely high level jobs in other countries that come
here and have to drive taxi cabs around, have to
run gas stations. Have you know a lot of achievement
(09:35):
in other countries. They come here, they have to start
at the floor, but they have a skill set that
allows them to be able to make a living and
a work ethic that is second to none that will
allow them to have success. Eighty one percent. Eighty one percent. Basically,
everyone listening to us in Minnesota right now, explain to
me how bringing all of these somalies in that has
(09:59):
meant that you're our tax dollars go to non American
citizens to immediately basically create a huge safety net for
people that have no love for your country, no recognition
of its excellence, and frankly limited to no benefit to
the state of Minnesota. This is just a lie we've
been being told, and most people are not even looking
at the data. To me, it's just if you can't
(10:21):
come to this country and avoid going on welfare. To
your point, bucket is the law, then how are we
not applying it? How are we not limiting people from
these countries when they're immediately riving here and taking advantage
of our goodwill.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I just think the public charge rules is one of
the best examples though, of they've been lying to you
about immigration for decades now. They don't want people to
know what the law even is because they use those
laws to get things past that the time, Oh we're
going to have a public charge rule. Oh, but we're
going to increase the H one b's in this country.
At the same time, they use these things to throw
(10:57):
people off so they don't know what's really happening. And
to your point about the eighty one percent Clay, that
means that the exception is Samali immigrants to this country
who aren't on welfare, who aren't just taking from the
public treasury. And we're not even talking about the fraud stuff.
Well we have talked about that, but I'm saying that's
in addition to all of this. But let's just go
(11:19):
for a second here. I know this is a little
bit of a hard term. We have a little time
on this one because we have to talk Australia social
media stuff because everyone's fired up about it. Trump talking
about the economy. Here he is on Gosh, we have
we Here he is talking about gas cut cut five play.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
This one, please no, Well, who are right down, Darlie.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
More oil that we've ever done ever before.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Prices are way down.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
We just had four states. Who was just reported that
four states had one dollar and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Again, there's some moving.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Claire.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
There's a whole hit list here of no tax on
tips of the farmers, of all these things. So we
can get into some of this. But Trump is out
there telling everybody. I understand, you're being told the economy
is really bad and some things are pinched. The prices
are high because of bide inflation, but we're doing good things,
and he's trying to remind everybody of that.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Look, and price of oil and gas is one of
the places that people go to the most to think
about cost of goods. Again, I can't speak to everyone's
price of gas everywhere in the country, but this morning,
on my drive down, I stopped to fill up my
gas tank two dollars and fifty cents a gallon. Okay,
between Nashville where I live in Birmingham, Alabama. I stopped
(12:45):
just a little ways outside in Nashville. Two dollars and
fifty cents a gallon. That is, if you adjust for inflation,
probably a record low price in most of our lives.
When it comes to how much it costs to fill
up for gas. Now, some of you were going to say,
wait a minute, lay, I'm saying adjusting for inflation, because
unfortunately Joe Biden drove the cost of everything up twenty
(13:06):
five percent at least over the last several years, So
we're now at four year lows dollar to dollar adjusted
for inflation. I think gas at two fifty a gallon
what I just paid for, I think that's probably the
cheapest gas has ever been in my life. And I
mean that again, adjusted for inflation. And some of you
out there are going to say, well, it was a nickel,
(13:28):
you know. Okay, Well, I don't know how that would
it cost back in nineteen forty two when you were
paying a nickel a gallon or whatever the heck it was.
But in my life, two dollars and fifty cents adjusted
best price for gas that I can ever remember seeing
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I said, yeah, well, forty percent off if you use
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Speaker 6 (15:50):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Holiday Music
Bringing us back. We got a lot of holiday music feedback.
We'll have some fun. By the way, open the phone
lines eight hundred and two two eight A two. This
Australia banning under sixteen year olds from social media. I'm
gonna like set it up for all of you to
(16:12):
be able to weigh in on this. But let me
give you a quick take, and we'll also have some
fun with your anger over my holiday music takes. Let
me give you a quick take here, Buck, and we'll
set the table a bit more when we come back.
I actually think Australia has this right, and I understand
people out there who are gonna say, Clay, what are
(16:32):
you talking about? Look, in general, you can't vote until
you're eighteen. You can't drive a car, This is general
in the United States, can't drive a car until you're sixteen,
can't drink alcohol till you're twenty one. To my knowledge, Buck,
you can't even rent a car until you're like twenty five. Right,
I don't think you can get a hotel room until
you're twenty five years old. What do you think is
(16:56):
more likely to have a negative impact someone rent seeing
a car at twenty five or someone thirteen or fourteen
years old on social media? I think that we have
stumbled into a world of social media where we had
no idea what the consequences were, and I think we're
(17:17):
just now seeing the mental health impact here.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Will kids cheat on this? Yes, one billion percent. Kids
are smarter at tech than the parents are. They'll lie
about their age, they'll fight to get on, but I
think the premise is the right one.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're moving through this one pretty quickly. You got to
lay this in. We've gotta let this breathe, they gotta
let this see if people agree with me.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
It may be that, like.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We're gonna talk about this in the next segment, right,
or if you just done setting out the table. I'm
setting the table for for here. What I think is
the is the right take. And I actually agree with
Australia and I disagreed with much of what they have
done in Australia to this point. Like you said, it
turned into East Germany with the East Germany with Koalas. Yeah,
(18:00):
that's what happened during COVID. It's true. You know what's
great rappid radios. We were just talking about sixteen year olds.
Maybe you're trying to keep them off social media and
maybe you still want to stay in touch with him.
Rapid radio is an awesome way to do that. We
have done that with my eleven year old.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
He doesn't have his own cell phone, he doesn't have
the ability to get on social media. He has a
rapid radio. So if he's out running around in the neighborhood,
and we want to stay in touch with him and
know where he went or what he's up to. We
got Rapid Radio for him. Wife gives it to him.
If you remember, back in the day, we used to
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(18:36):
We had so much fun playing around with him. They
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Speaker 2 (18:45):
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Speaker 6 (18:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:04):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know, Clay, I'm just gonna hand this off to
you because you're very fired off about their Australia things.
I'm not even gonna set this one up. I'm gonna
let you set this one up. Australia. It's just gone
into effect. Social media band for children tell everybody, what's
going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Look, every kid in America is on social media, and
a lot of them are getting on social media at ten, eleven,
twelve years old. They're lying about their age, and it
has been shown to be incredibly destructive to mental health
for so many kids out there and a lot of parents. Frankly,
(19:42):
because social media just exploded in the last several years,
they didn't really know what they were doing. I think
we're going to look back on much of social media
as a modern day equivalent to smoking, meaning there were
huge risk factors that many people undertook without realizing what
they were getting into. And so recently schools have decided, hey,
(20:06):
you know what, we're not going to make it standard
that kids can sider around most schools with their cell
phones all day long. And overwhelmingly behavior has gotten better,
Kids pay better attention in class, there's less conflict. I
think the standard across the United States. Every state I
think should have the ability to make their own decision
(20:27):
on this. But I think a standard of kids aren't
allowed on social media until sixteen would be healthy. I
would support it. And you can say, Okay, well, kids
are still gonna cheat and they're gonna make fake accounts,
and they're gonna lie about their ages and all those things. Yeah,
I get it, but that happens with everything. Where you
(20:47):
said an age limit, it doesn't mean it's going to
be infallible. I think what would be important, buck is
most kids say, now I've got to be on social
media because all my friends are on social media. I
think if you can eliminate that as a standard act
where everybody else's kids aren't on either, and kids have
to go back to some form a face to face interaction. Remember,
(21:11):
they can still text, they can still make phone calls,
things like that that you know kids I think have
been doing for some time. I think overwhelmingly mental health
would get better. I just I think it's a no brainer.
I think Australia has got it one hundred percent right.
I'm curious what this audience would say. I'm going to
actually put up a poll, and maybe there's some kids
(21:34):
that are already out for Christmas that want to call
in and tell me why. I'm an old unk and
I'm wrong about this, but I would support this for
my own kids being kept off social media. We have
tried to keep them off social media as long as
we can. And look, I've got one that's about to
be sixteen at least in the near future. I've got
one that's seventeen, so they would probably argue with me.
(21:58):
In fact, they know they would. Kids often argue for
things that are not in their best interest, and I
think a standard rule of sixteen and up to get
social media, just like you have to generally be sixteen
to get a driver's license, would be a good call.
Your kids are young. This will be resolved, I think
to a large extent by the time your kids are older.
I think for a lot of us out there that
(22:18):
are parents around my age, social media just kind of
exploded about two thousand and eight and most parents really
didn't know what to do with it. I think we're
now seeing some of the major deletarious impacts that have occurred,
and we're responding to it in late fashion. But I
think Australia's right. I would support this nationwide.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, there's multiple levels here of what's going on.
There's the safety issue where children are being expelled and
I mean actual physical safety right as well as psychological safety,
but being exposed to predators and all kinds of very
concerning stuff online because at some left online is like
(23:00):
the wild West, right, It's just you can be talking
to somebody. Especially with AI now, people can be very
sophisticated about pretending to be somebody that they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And whether it's.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Scammers or predators or a whole range of nefarious online entities. Kids,
you have to protect the kids from that stuff. So
that's that's the first and most important line of this,
I think is the we got to make sure that
your kids aren't being groomed, that the kids aren't being
you know, targeted, and and you know, you don't know
(23:33):
as a parent, right because you think, oh, my kids
home with me, they're safe. You don't realize that they're
making a plan and maybe they're gonna lie to you
about it. I mean, we've all read the stories, we
see what goes on. So that part of it, the
safety part of it, I'm just all in favor of
and think it makes it a whole lot of sense.
And then there's sort of the more social and societal
aspect of it, where uh, you know, this stuff is
(23:56):
is a generally speaking, it's a giant time waster, and
it's something that I think really affects people's ability to
not only interact with other human beings live and in person,
but also I think it's affecting our attention spans in
ways that are a big problem.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
People now are being trained, like our brains are all
being trained to consume things in sixty or thirty or
even five second bites of information, and that's actually not.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
A good thing. So I like it on that level
as well.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I would want children, kids, adolescents to be, you know,
to have basically formed some level of who they are
and some layers of judgment before they are going online,
because the other part of this is too and what's
online kind of lasts forever, as we know. And I
(24:52):
think it's a good thing that if you're having a
bad day as a fourteen year old, you're not necessarily
posting things to a public message board.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Not only that you can't be reached by other classmates
on social media that everyone can see instantaneously. If you
had an awful experience at high school or in middle school,
when in nineteen eighty eight, you didn't come home and
then have everybody talking about it or posting a video
of it or constantly denigrating you. I just this is
(25:22):
a no brainer to me, and you mentioned safety. I
saw Marsha Blackburn, Senator from Tennessee, shared this story. I
think it was reported by the New York Post. And
this is something I think you should be talking to
your kids and grandkids about and something that I talk
to my kids about, and if your young kids out
there listening to us right now, you should be aware
of it. Pois in particular, have you seen this awful
story about there are a ton of fake accounts pretending
(25:44):
to be pretty girls, and they jump in the DM.
They create these fake profiles. They then reach out to
young boys, you know, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen year old boys,
and they start trying to talk to them in a
sexually suggective manner and eventually get them to send pictures.
And then as soon as the pictures are sent, they
demand payment of money or they say they're going to
(26:04):
send the pictures to all your friends, all your family.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Buck.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
There are a bunch of kids, teenage boys that have
committed suicide over this.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm in favor of the death penalty for people to
do this. By the way, I would set them up
in front of a firing squad and not lose a
second of sleep or anything else. If you do this
to a k like that, you deserve, you deserve to
be ended ended. I think it should be a death
penalty offense to do this to children.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
The problem with that, of course, is that many of
these accounts originate in overseas markets.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I know it's tough to track them down, but I
think I know some veterans, I know some people that
we could get together a little with Interpol. We could
track these pieces of absolute vermin down. And I'm just
saying it's so evil what they do. And I truly
mean that, I would be in favor of Congress passing
the law that if you engage in sextortion, which is
(26:58):
what they call these crimes against against children, death penalty,
I take them out.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't have a problem with it at all.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You mean, we're growing up, we're blowing up the drug
you know, the drug runners. Yeah, so we find somebody internationally,
you know, whatever, whatever we got to do, we got
to take care of this because this is it's it's horrible.
There are kids that have committed suicide because of this.
It's the most evil thing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
And you want this to stop.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Let people know we're going to track them down anywhere
in the world and they're really going to pay a price
on this.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I just put a posted a poll. I said, I
think Australia got it right. By the way, eight hundred
and two A two two eight A two. I think
a lot of you are going to have strong opinions
on this. Katie Miller, who just interviewed to Elon Musk,
scheduled to join us at the top of the next hour.
She's a mom of a bunch of kids. I think
she will have a strong take on this. And uh,
I want to see. I'm curious. You can go vote
(27:46):
in the poll. Do you agree with me that Australia
got it right? Do you disagree? And I understand some
people are going to say, well, this is what parents
need to do, Clay, this is what parenting is all about.
Kids in general are way more sophisticated with social media
than parents are. And the biggest problem I will tell
you that parents are going to have is when the
(28:08):
standard is every other kid is on social media and
you don't allow your kid on social media, that makes
it harder for parents to keep them off. If the
standard is nobody is allowed on right. If that's the standard,
then there will be far fewer kids that are getting
on social media. And if you told me right now,
(28:29):
we've got a driver's license age of sixteen, that seems
reasonable to me. Social media seems akin to driving a
car in that you need to have a certain level
of maturity to be able to do it, because there are,
as Buck was just laying out substantial risk factors associated
with a social media account to say nothing of Well,
(28:49):
we were just talking about sex stortion and all the
awful things that can happen. But you can just be
a moron, and you can just do stupid things that
get you kicked out of school or cost you college
admissions because you were super, super dumb when you were
thirteen or fourteen years old. I always like to say
there is no person on the planet that is dumber
(29:11):
and more filled with self confidence that they are actually
brilliant than teenage boys. Teenage boys are the dumb and
you and I have.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Both been So I thought I was really smart as
a teenager, and then in my twenties I had a
lot of humility heaped on me. So yeah, the fifteen
and sixteen year old boy is the dumbest creature that
is convinced it is the smartest creature in the history
of mankind. There is no gap in the history of
our lives between reality versus expectation of what you think
(29:41):
of yourself versus the reality of yourself than a fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen year old boy. I think, to the best extent,
we can protect morons from being morons. And that is
pretty much every teenage boy. I always like to say, bluck.
I've been talking about this for a long time. Difference
between teenage boys and teenage girls. No teenage girls final
two words or ever watched this. The teenage boys are
(30:04):
always trying to get attention, They're always trying to impress girls.
They're always taking risks and doing stupid, super stupid things,
and so this is certainly true for boys. I think
for girls it's even scarier in many ways, Buck, because
teenage girls are preyed upon even more than teenage boys
and even pre teen girls. I mean, there are a
(30:25):
lot of creeps on social media accounts out there, so
I think the standard of sixteen. We'll take a bunch
of your calls. We got loaded lines on this. Eight
hundred two two eight a two.
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We have got a ton of you who want to
weigh in on a variety of different topics.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Let's start here.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Derek in Arizona says it's the parent's responsibility.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Ll I'm sixty one years old. It's the parent's responsibility
to regulate their kids, period, just like you do your kids.
Another thing I will awesome say is what's Australia does.
Just think about what they did during the pandemic. I'm sorry,
(32:40):
no making a looking like that here?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, okay.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
So what I would say to the people out there
who say it's the parent's responsibility, it's a very valid argument.
Let me just ask that is it the parents' responsibility
to stop their kids from drinking alcohol until they're twenty one.
Is it the parents responsibility to stop their kid from
driving until they're sixteen? Is that the parents' responsibility to
(33:06):
ensure that your kid doesn't go vote before they're eighteen?
Why would you agree that there should be age limitations
on certain things based on maturity and ability of kids
to handle responsibility, Like parents don't get to decide, Hey.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
What age parents can't get a car? Yeah, I was
gonna say, parents can't just be like, eh, like, but
you know, Joey's cool, he's fifteen. I'm giving him this
handle of vodka. He'll be great. Like, No, that's actually
not allowed.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
And you couldn't decide, hey, you know what, this is
my mature twelve year old. I'm fine with them driving
to school every day. You would get arrested.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So the state Actually some cultures, you know, getting married,
like they do arrange marriages and iran at that age,
like very very illegal in this country with good reason.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
So there are many age restrictions. So I don't buy
the oh, it's the parents' responsibility. Look, parents should have
the right to do a wide variety of things before
the kids are eighteen. I actually think the state has
a tremendous interest in determining for minor children that we
get to the best possible results. Flip side Tim in Arizona,
It's got great taste.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
JJ.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm about your same age, though I don't have any kids,
but I agree one septillian percent with Clay that you
should be a minimum of sixteen to be on any
social media.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You should have to show.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
A valid ID when you sign up, sixteen, eighteen, twenty one,
whatever it takes.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'll give you an exact Why is he with you?
I actually agree, Yeah, there's another guy, you know what
I mean. He's not with Buck. What can I get
a trillion percent with me? Then?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Hey, let me give you.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
An example of something that I think has been effective
age limitation. I think it's in Florida too, Buck in Tennessee.
If you're gonna now look at pornographic material online, you
have to be proved. You have to give your ID
and prove you're over eighteen years old. I'm over eighteen.
I'm not given the state my ID to go look
at pornographic material. I'm just okay, I'm not gonna. But
(35:06):
young kids have been getting access to pornographic material. I
bet the amount of even adults accessing that has diminished substantially.
You know, it used to be hard to get a
Playboy magazine back in the day. It wasn't very easy
to see a naked girl if you're a boy or
girl growing up.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We've kind of run a fifty year experiment in increasing
degeneracy and libertine more rays in this country, and it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's been a bad idea. Robin Arizona, HH hit.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
It clay Bunt.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Rob from Arizona, forty year Retiredly o'clock nineteen is the
best self defense weapon.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
On the market.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I like in nineteen eleven when when it comes to combat,
you forget to flip that switch. Yeah, you're behind the
eight ball that can get you killed. I'm with you, Rob,
No external safety, only in eternal safeties on my block.
I want to pull that trigger. It goes bang one
hundred times out of one hundred. I love gun trash talk.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
I'm not even sophisticated enough to be able to get
involved in gun trash talk.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
By the way, load of guy Ron from Toledo, I
appreciate that. You know, he's got to walk around with
you know, with a cane to make sure that he
can balance his nineteen eleven and make sure he can
blow the dust off of it because it's an antique.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's cool. It's no problem.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
When we come back, Katie Miller will join us. Steven
Miller's wife. She just interviewed Elon Musk and the interview
has gone very well viral. But I bet she has
a strong take on this as well. We will also
get to all of your calls if you go eight
hundred and two A two two eight A two fastest way,
as always used the talkback function on the app. Final
hour of the program. Up next, let's keep having some
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fun hanging out here.
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