October 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a hard-hitting, politically charged analysis of current events, with a strong focus on the unraveling legacy of the Biden administration and the intensifying New York City mayoral race. The hour begins with commentary on President Donald Trump’s ongoing remarks from the Rose Garden, followed by a deep dive into the media tour of former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, who is promoting her new book and claiming to be an “independent” rather than a Democrat. Clay and Buck dissect her evasive answers about President Joe Biden’s fitness to serve through 2028, calling out what they describe as dishonesty and political damage control.
The hosts explore the broader implications of Biden-era officials attempting to rehabilitate their public images through memoirs, noting that even liberal media figures like Stephen Colbert are now openly criticizing the administration’s handling of Biden’s cognitive decline. They argue that the credibility of many Democrats has been permanently damaged due to their defense of Biden’s fitness and suggest that this could impact future contenders like Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, and Gavin Newsom.
The conversation shifts to the New York City mayoral race, where Curtis Sliwa faces mounting pressure to drop out to prevent a victory by far-left candidate Zohran Mamdani. The New York Post’s front-page plea for Sliwa to “just walk away” underscores the urgency felt by conservatives. Buck and Clay debate whether Andrew Cuomo would be a better alternative, despite his controversial record on bail reform and COVID-19 policies. They also discuss the broader political ramifications, suggesting that a Mamdani win could energize Republican campaigns in New Jersey, Virginia, and beyond.
A major segment of Hour 2 tackles the fallout from a Chicago elementary school teacher who made a gesture mimicking the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a “No Kings” protest. Clay argues that public school teachers should be held to a moral standard and that such behavior warrants termination. This sparks a lively debate with listeners calling in to defend or challenge the idea, including humorous and serious takes on whether teachers should be allowed to moonlight as strippers or work at Hooters.
The hosts also revisit the Jimmy Kimmel controversy and the broader issue of free speech versus professional accountability. They emphasize that First Amendment protections do not guarantee immunity from consequences in the workplace, especially when public trust is at stake. This leads into a discussion of COVID-era hypocrisy, including the absurd restrictions placed on athletes like Kyrie Irving and the shifting public narrative around vaccine mandates. ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith is praised for acknowledging that Kyrie was right to resist the COVID shot, a stance that was once widely condemned.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Travis buck Sexton Show. We are rolling through the program
with all of you. President Trump continues to speak in
the Rose Garden. He's having a lunch for the Republican
senators there. We will update you on any major news
that may come out of that. As the shutdown continues,
(00:24):
there continues to be as Buck has discussed, the one
hundred and seven Days book of Kamala Harris is not
necessarily creating a huge stir nationwide, and she's not alone
now and having a book about the first term of
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the Biden administration. In fact, Kareem Jean Pierre, we have
not talked about her that much mercifully as she has
to a large extent vanished since she stepped down at
White House chief spokesperson is the White House Press Secretary.
But she is doing interviews now for her own book.
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She now says that she is no longer in a Democrat.
She says that she is an independent and in a
availability so promoting this book, she said several interesting things
that I want to play for you, because while she
is now no longer White House Press Secretary, she remains
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a professional liar. And she first was asked, hey, does
Joe Biden did Joe Biden have the ability to serve
as president until twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
She says, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Basically, cut one, now you know, God love him, we
send him our best, but that he has cancered like
the notion that this person was up for being president
of twenty twenty eight, was up for the communications responsibility
of this job and fighting. No, well, if you want again,
he would have to have been president all the way
U till twenty twenty eight. I think it's an absurd
thing to suggest that he could have been president. Do
(02:11):
you think he could have been president twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Look, I can't speak today.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I can't speak to it. I mean, I think it's
pretty self.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm not sure, sadly, that Joe Biden is even going
to be alive in twenty twenty eight buck, I mean,
as this cancer treatments and radiation, everything else he's going through.
I hope he is, but I'm not even sure he's
going to be alive in twenty eight, twenty twenty eight,
much less could he be president of the United States
until then. I don't think clearly he was capable of
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being president of the United States until twenty twenty five,
we dodged a bullet that there wasn't some bigger issue
at stake. And I think actually this ties in with
your mom, Donnie take buck, which is a lot of
these jobs do themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And so or not.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There is extreme competence at the top. The train keeps
on moving no matter who's in charge. And I think
that's kind of the legacy of Biden twenty twenty to
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You want to talk about no kings, It's been a
longstanding historical reality. If you go back into history, you'll
see there are plenty of times where in monarchies somebody
ascended to the throne who was eight, yeah, or twelve
or whatever, and usually there's a regency period that they
set up. Well, this was something like that under the
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Biden administration, except it was the very end of his
days or his years, rather than not at the beginning
of it. But he really wasn't running things in a
meaningful sense. The advisory team around him was clearly running
the country. And there's something deeply dishonest about that that
the American people have now come to grips with. I
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mean even Democrats have had to go, oh yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We were doing.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
And this is that's why I think there's going to
be a huge push among Democrats for an entirely fresh
start with whatever the next team is going to be.
I don't think that Karine Jean Pierre is going to
be welcome in the next White House administration. I don't
think that any of the top Biden advisors are going
to be I think this is a moment. It's a
bit like the way the Bush team and the Bush
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era really was cleared out from the Republican Party during
the Obama years and beyond and obviously the Trump years.
So I think you're going to see something like that
with the Biden the Biden folks. Because her answer here,
I always go back and forth. I actually think it's
worse to suggest that you were so because we could
(04:43):
tell from watching him on TV. So if you're around
him physically a lot more than you and I are,
you're going to tell me that you were that lacking
in perception, really that stupid that you couldn't tell this
was going on. That's worse. But it's also a lie.
So you're lying a about your lie when you say
that Biden maybe could have done it. Or I couldn't
(05:04):
tell or whatever. You're lying again, you're not even coming
clean now, and she's continuing to lie. I wanted to
play this because she said when told Trump speaks way
more to the media, and again, Trump has been speaking
for basically.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The whole first hour that we have been on the air.
Right now in the Rose Garden, here's Karine Jean Pierre saying,
that's not true. You just didn't pay attention to how
often Biden was speaking. Cut three.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He talked way less to the press than Donald Trump does,
way less, and he wasn't out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There at all.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He wasn't good off the cuffs.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
He wasn't Let's just be real.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That's not true. Tim, you're conflating all of it. That's
what you're doing. No, you're first you're telling me he
didn't talk well about it. Then you're telling me he
didn't talk at all.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
He didn't do either.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
He didn't talk very often, and when he did, it
wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We weren't paying attention to what we were doing at
the White House.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But I paid attention to that. I'm with you his performance.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The President spoke to the American people a couple times
a week he traveled and did domestic travel and talked
directly to the American people.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This is, I mean, next level wisem No, it's not.
It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Interesting, isn't it that they're putting out these Biden administration memoirs,
and I think these are all I think these are
efforts to rehabilitate the individual image of people like Kamala
and Greene Jean Pierre. I also think some some Biden
White House folks play or seeing this and realizing, I
(06:38):
don't think I'm gonna write a book because if it's
not working for Kamala and Krean Jean Pierre, do you
think it's gonna work for like Jeff was Jeff Zeins.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Wasn't he one of the guys who was like a big.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, or John Kirby or all these like this is
this is how bad it is for Karine Jean Pierre.
Stephen Colbert is calling her out. Stee, I haven't even
heard this yet, but this is cut five. Colbert is
going after Carine Jean Pierre over Biden's mental acuity. This
is how bad it is. To your point, Buck, usually
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everybody just kind of you know Bens the knee like pretends.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh you're a hero.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Let's go ahead and let you have your media circuit
cut five. It's not even happening on Colbert now.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
In a moment of Greate Thresher on stage, we saw
someone shock us and worry us, and no, nothing could
suage that worry. So I don't think it was necessarily
a betrayal of Joe Biden, as other people saying, we
don't think we were shown Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You saw.
Speaker 8 (07:43):
I saw every day a really ugly assault on someone
who had fifty plus years of experience and who again objectively,
had done a good job as president of the United States,
and it was heartbreaking to see that type of behavior.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I think all of.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
That, everything you're saying, I cannot fault the factual basis
of of what you're saying or your feelings about it.
But what happened was the debate performance. Everything is downstream
of that, and.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
No one is saying that the debate performance wasn't shocking.
Was it a disappointment. No one is saying is such
a light I use your use your world.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Look listen, we're never going to agree on this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We're not I mean, when when when Stephen Colbert is
cutting you off and basically saying, I'm not even going
to allow you to lie to this audience anymore.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But this, this actually makes perfect sense because I've said
this all along. It's it's like a principle that I
apply to Democrats, so they're never it never surprises me
when this happens. They will remember if they have to
embarrass themselves in order to promote the Democrat. You know,
they'll remember that that's where they whether it's journals or
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former late night you know, so called comedy hosts, all
that stuff. And they realized they lit their credibility on
fire to protect this guy, and Trump became president. Anyway, Yes,
it's one thing in twenty twenty to have done this,
which they all did, because they could always they could
look at their voters, They could look at the Democrats
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in the eye and say, yeah, guys, the whole point is,
you know, we won. Who cares. Whatever lies we had
to tell were justified. But this time around they got
caught lying in a way that was embarrassing to them
as individuals. It meant that people like you and I,
they can't sit on a panel with that's I'm talking
about They'll get ridiculed, they will get smoked if they
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try to make the argument.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That biden't we didn't know that he had.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
You know that, they know that, Clay, they hate that,
and Trump won. So it's a disaster.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
And really, Karine Jean Pierre going to this book tour,
she is, in fact, for people like Colbert, just a
reminder of the Biden disaster. And the same thing with Kamala.
Nobody really wants to hear it. They're trying and nobody
wants to hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think what it is is you hit on it too.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They've passed the point of being propagandist, and now it
is embarrassing and shameful to them that they would continue
to advocate for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And this is why I do think you're right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
There's probably a lot of people that worked in the
Biden White House that are maybe not going to write
books because they're seeing what the reaction is when you
come out and try to make the argument that you
think Biden did a good job. I would also point
this out, and this is the big question I think
going forward to what extent is the stench of Biden
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protectionism going to remain a story for Democrats going forward,
because if it is, then it would torpedo Kamala mayor
Pete any of the individuals that are hoping that they
can advance and be the nominee again in twenty eight.
And I wonder behind the scenes whether Gavin Newsom, who
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is playing all his angles here, is going to try
to knock everybody out over this as well, because any
wanted connected to Biden, they lied.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They covered up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
There's no argument that's inxcoringly becoming even more apparent.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
It's worse than that they'll clay. They lied and they fail. Yeah,
lying is not a problem for Democrats. They lied about
Biden in twenty twenty. He was scrambled eggs in twenty twenty.
And they caught me a flat foot on that one
because I was like, guys, come on, I can't be
Biden sure enough, lying and failing. And that's where I
think Gavin Newsom metaphorically speaking, smells blood in the water
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on this one. He knows, he knows that the No
King protesters, they all feel betrayed because they looked like clowns,
all of them in their social circles. If they knew
a single person who wasn't a Biden voter. They look
like idiots in retrospect saying oh, no, he's fine, he's fine.
(12:17):
And then Donald Trump becomes the next president of the
United States unforgivable, and they're still trying to tell the lie.
That's maybe the part that surprised me.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I'm surprised that KJP just doesn't say, Look, we knew
Biden was going downhill, but we thought that he was
far better than Trump, and we didn't want to embolden Trump.
Why not just make that argument at this point.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well, that was why I also found the whole Tapper
Original Sin book. The whole premise is dishonest because we
went on the show every day for four years saying, guys,
Biden is not of sound mind.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And it were self evident, and in fact, they accused
us of being liars for even being willing to say it,
and then the debate happened and overnight we were all
truth tellers.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, so its the whole thing just doesn't and it's
a continue It's an ongoing disaster story for the Democrats politically, and.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
They deserve it.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
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your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
We have got thirteen days until the New York City
mayor race, until the governor's race in New Jersey, until
the governor's race in Virginia. And I woke up this
morning as one of the few people who still buys
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print newspapers, and I'm in New York City, still flying
back home tonight, And the front page of the New
York Post Buck, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, says,
just walk away, Beret. Even Allies tell Slee what to
drop mayor bid, don't let Zoran win. And you know
(15:21):
you grew up in New York City. The tabloids don't
have the same impact necessarily that they used to do
back in the day, but as the conservative leaning tabloid,
when the Post puts the Republican mayor nominee on the
front page of the paper and says, basically making fun
of him, get out of this race. You have no
chance of winning. The pressure on Slee what to drop
(15:45):
out continues to rise. You grew up in New York City, Buck,
Do you think there's any way Curtis Slee what drops out?
Or do you think at this point, thirteen days out
it doesn't matter because early voting starts, I think in
a few days. If he's not going to drop out
in the next couple of days, it's over.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I don't see him dropping out at all, and I
see zor On Mamdani as the next mayor of New York.
I'm just basing this on the polls and all of
the now. Can we also just people say, what about
the polls with Trump? Polls can be wrong within three
or four points, and in a presidential election that makes
all the difference. It's very rare for every single polster
(16:24):
to be wrong by thirty points. Yes, there's a difference. Okay,
that is just to get this because I'm seeing you
guys are annoying maman, I'm not annoying anything. I'm the
one who thinks it's insane that Mamdani could become the
mayor of New York. I'm the one who wants to stop,
do whatever we can through this election process to make
him not the mayor. But unfortunately, the numbers are the numbers.
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You're talking about an eight to one Democrat to Republican city,
and no variation of the numbers coming even close to
a Cuomo win, even if rather with with Curtis Lee
was staying in. There's no variation that I've seen that
does that. The thing that makes me pretty sanguine about
it all, Clay, not a seguine, as you, sir, but
(17:06):
seguin about it all is I don't think Cuomo would
be good. Yeah, I maybe not. Insane is not the
same thing as good. I think he'd be a very
bad mayor and and in some respects people keep talking
about the COVID thing.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He was the no bail, no jail guy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It was Andrew Cuomo who was like, you know what,
let's let that maniac out who just punks the old
lady on the subway. Let's let him out. Even with
the fiftieth time he's been arrested, No no bail. That's
the Cuomo routine.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
This is where blue cities leave themselves with no real option.
Andrew Cuomo, who was one of the worst governors during COVID,
is now the savior supposedly of New York City. Which
is why shining light in a dark room potentially thirteen
days from now, I think it's gonna help Elie Stephonic
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Speaker 2 (19:03):
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Speaker 1 (19:06):
So we are looking forward to seeing many of you
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So we're gonna be in Fort Wayne, Indiana tomorrow. We're
gonna be meeting a lot of you in that area.
We look forward to that event. And if you are
listening to us in that region, well maybe you will
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see us as we are rolling through. All right, Buck,
you mentioned it. You'll leave me and you have no
idea what might come on. I thought I was making
the least controversial argument that's ever taken place. Let me
reiterate what happened this Chicago area teacher. I'm sure you
saw the video book. As the No Kings protests were
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going on, a Trump affiliated car is driving by to
turning Point, USA, driving by, and this elementary school teacher
celebrates by putting her hand to her throat as if
she is she's mimicking the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Disgusting, I mean really and psychotic, disgusting stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And I said, as a part of the argument that look,
I'm a free speech guy, but there is a morality
component to being an elementary school teacher, and you can
be fired for violating that morality component. And as an example,
as an example, I said, for instance, I think most
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people would not want their kids elementary school teacher to
be a stripper. And I can't believe it, but we
have been we have been deluged by people that actually
disagreed with me. So here we have a widebray. Some
of them are very funny, but I thought we could
play some of these, some of these talkbacks. And Brandon
(21:01):
I also said, by the way, that there's a middle
ground right where if you worked as a waiter or
waitress at Applebee's, I think that you could clearly probably
have both jobs, right. A lot of teachers have multiple
jobs maybe you work in the summer when you're out
of school. And I said, but Hooters might be a
more of a middle ground, right, like where people could
agree or disagree. Brandon and Michigan says he'd go to
(21:24):
a lot more school activities if his kids teacher also
worked at Hooters. This is bbe Brandon weighing in trivias.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
I'm just gonna say, if my kids teacher worked at Hooters,
I'd probably be a lot more interested in going to
conferences and going to school activities.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
All right, thank you, Brandon. And then Ken in California,
he's fired up at me. I'm my opinion that you
can't be a stripper and an elementary school teacher.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He's mad. He says, hey, Clay, you're wrong. CC.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
You know you can't be for the first and boobs
and give this teacher criticism over her First Amendment right
for expression. Yes it's abhorrent, Yes it's tacky, Yes it's despicable.
Hate speech has still got to be a protective speech,
whether we like it or not. And I don't like it,
but she did it, and it's not against the law.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is I'm gone for one hour?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I don't know you have the Keys to the Car
solo and our entire inbox today is about boobs.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
But I mean, I am of the opinion I said
this on the show. I think Bucky you would sign
off like if we employed someone on the Clay and
Buck Show that celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. I believe in
the First Amendment. The First Amendment doesn't mean that there
aren't consequences for your behavior. And if you are a
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public school teacher, elementary school, I don't think you should
be teaching kids if you are going around publicly celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. That's my opinion. I wouldn't
want my third grader. I wouldn't want to walk in
there and know that she had been at a No
King's protest doing celebratory gestures having to do with Charlie
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Kirk's murder, because that would influence her teaching to all
the people who are saying this about that teacher, for example.
But these are it's always situational with leftists. They want
what they want, how they want it, when they want it.
There's no principle, there's no rule that we can all
be held to. And I just give you this. If
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if Jimmy Kimmel, or if this teacher had had been
shouting a racial slur, a racial slur that you're never
allowed to say, would we be hearing about free speech arguments.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Would they be saying, Oh, but you know it's free speech,
you're allowed to say that. No, you're not right. So
where is the line here? The line is what is
abhorrence to the people that you are either serving in
the case of a teacher the communitysrving, or to a
very unfunny late night talk show host who's representing a
(24:05):
broader corporate brand. And this is true of anybody. I
might add, you don't make You don't get to make
a free speech argument. If you walked into inn a
Tech while you're working for Lumberg and you told Lumberg
what you really think of him when he's like, would
you come in and work on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Great movie?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And you started great movie and you started just dropping
all kinds of curse words and telling him what you
really think of him and his stupid suspenders and the
whole thing, and he fired you. You don't have a
First Amendment argument. I just feel like people intentionally confuse
this thing now where you are entitled. If you're advancing
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leftist ideology in some capacity, the First Amendment means you
have an ironclad right to not be fired from your
job or have there be any consequences for it. Then
people say, well, what about when the cancel culture stuff.
The cancel culture stuff was unreasonable and irrational firing of
people for saying entirely valid and normal and things that
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half the country agrees with.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, and look.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Again, I think that public school elementary school teachers, which
are being funded by all of our taxpayers, I don't
think it's too high of a standard of behavior to
expect that you're not going to be in public celebrating
a public assassination of a figure. And so I think
(25:31):
if you did that and Rachel Maddow had gotten shot
and you were a super right winger, which I don't
think people would even really celebrate it, the consequence on
the same side, you shouldn't be celebrating political assassinations and
making a living teaching young kids.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I don't think that's crazybody who's defending anybody who's I
mean anyone who's defending this particular teacher who made this
abhorren gesture.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
If that teacher had walked.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You know, if that teacher was walking the street, it's
with a you know, George Floyd got what he deserved.
He was a convicted felon drug addict, you know, written
on or teacher. Would any even be making the case that,
you know, that's okay free speech, No, they would not.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They would all be saying, oh.
Speaker 9 (26:13):
But the racism and the bad things, and they can't
be corrupting the mind of the youth and all this
other stuff. So this is why I found the Jimmy
Kimmel argument, which ties into this too, just absurd on
its face. It's like he said something that pissed off
a lot of people. He doesn't have a First Amendment
right to keep that job that he has forever. There
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are a million things, Not only do we have FCC.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Regulations here on radio, there are a million things that
have either of us said, we get into a lot
of trouble.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Really, it's you know, have you betrayed your audience, right,
or have you betrayed a large enough portion of your
audience with what you've said or outraged them with what
you've said that you cease to be able to function
as somebody who they can trust and who is.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Still a viable show.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, I mean, this is what was happening on the
other side and the cancel culture wars was people were
creating a fiction that there was outrage at somebody. This
happened to rush outrage at somebody for something that was said,
and then there were actions taken based on the lie
that this was actually so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Look, I think if you went back in time and
you were looking at the Jimmy Kimmel thing, the FCC
weighing in, I think actually made it a bigger story
than it would have been if nobody had weighed in
at all on the government level, because then they said, oh, well,
this is government pressure and coercion. Look, the reality is
(27:39):
he missed four days and now he's back on the
air and there is virtually no discussion about this.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But if But that also tells you that there was
no real fear of government coercion because they wouldn't have
just put him on the air a few days later.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So that was a pretext. The whole thing was.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Again that's why I said, if you didn't say anything
about Roseanne or Gina Carano when they were canceled at
which almost no one did. We talked about that quite
a lot. Then I don't understand how you decide that
Jimmy Kimmel is the line in the sand that you
will draw. I mean, the ACLU getting involved in everybody else.
But yes, your bigger picture point is an important one.
The government restricting your speech is what you should be
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concerned about. That's actually what Alex Berenson's lawsuit, which I
think is still pending, is about, because that's what Joe
Biden did. Joe Biden went to Facebook, and he went
to Twitter, and he went to YouTube, and that they threatened.
They said, if you don't take down these posts that
we don't like relating to COVID, there's going to be
(28:41):
a punishment. And now everybody suddenly is circling around and
saying what you and I said for a long time,
which brings me to cut twenty eight. Remember Buck in
New York City when Kyrie Irving refused to get the
COVID shot in Brooklyn, and they wouldn't allowow him to
play in the games, but they would allow him to
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sit in the crowd court side. Do you remember that
absurdity of COVID. They wouldn't let him play in the game,
but they would allow him to sit on the court
and watch the games. That was the line that they
were drawing at that point in time.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I remember being in line for the Columbus Circle, New
York City Whole Foods peak pandemic time, and they were
enforcing with Prussian efficiency six feet of distancing between people
standing in the line. Yes, and then you got into
the place. You got into the Whole Foods and it
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was absolutely mobbed with people like shoulder to shoulder and
all the aisles and everything. You know, unlimited time to shop,
do whatever you want to do. So outside where you
actually cannot spread the virus as an air, an open air,
six feet of distancing inside, shoulder to shoulder with worthless
masks on. And you know, this is all you need
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to know about. Somebody is a public figure, as a leader,
as a commentator, how were they during COVID It was
the stress test and all these respects, which just brings
me full circle to Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He was awful.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
He was as bad as Gavin Newsom, he was as
bad as Gretchen Whitber. He was absolutely terrible. In fact,
I think you could argue he was the worst because
he really set the tone of panic and authoritarianism alongside it.
That then all these other states followed because New York
got hit first, and here to close out to tie
in all of this. As the story has altered, Stephen A. Smith,
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ESPN's most prominent employee, now says, hey, Kyrie Irving was right.
He should have never taken the COVID shot.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And they came after Kyrie Irving, They came after Aaron Rodgers,
they came after everybody who was in athletics that refused.
And I do give a little bit of credit to
Steven A because he's now pointing out that Kyrie was right,
whereas most people out there are still saying nothing at all.
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Kyrie's a good brother. We used to butt hands because
he misworked you damn much. And I'm like, yo, man,
this brother's electrifund. I want to see this brother dancing
on a basketball court. I want to hear, no, you
got no COVID vaccine. You count chance on the court
and you see you now. Obviously, in hindsight, the brother
right because we see all the conspiracy theories that come out,
And props to him for look for seeing for having
(31:22):
the first sight to see that. We didn't see that
at the time and then but you also have to understand,
I'm living in the world where you got cats making
thirty eight forty forty five million, you got gms and
owners complaining about it, and you got billionaires looking me
in the face of saying, yo, Stephen A, I took
that damn vaccine. Who the hell are they not to
take the vaccine? And we're living in a country where
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the government was imposing all of that on us. So
I'm sitting there going like this, we all taking the risk.
Kyrie said, no props to him, but I didn't view
it that way.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So he was right.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Most people won't even acknowledge that Kyrie Irving and Aaron Rodgers,
into other prominent athletes who said I'm not going to
get the COVID shot were in fact correct. But it's
just one of very many things that to your point,
Andrew Cuomo, who is now supposed to be the savior
of New York, was one billion percent wrong on.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
He was terrible.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
This is why I can't get that energized about the
anything to defeat. I think Sleeva probably feels this way too.
I haven't heard him say this. But we're supposed to
go and break out, you know, and and break the glass,
do anything we can so that Andrew Cuomo can be
the mayor.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, he's horrible. Yes, I get it. I think I
think he hates Cuomo.
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how this is from Tammy Clay. What if the teacher
celebrated the assassination of Martin Luther King, How would it
be any different. We cannot have this in our society.
This is not hate speech, This is terroristic in nature,
has no place around children. You can't say one political
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assassination is good and right just while the other is evil.
There's no such thing as justified political assassination.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I think that's well said. Yeah, I think that's really
well said. And again, they haven't fired her. She still
is employed, according to the team, as a Chicago polic
school teacher, So she is still molding the minds of
young people all over the Chicago area. Can you trust
her to be honest and forthright? I do not believe so.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Podcast listener jj KK on the talkbacks play it.
Speaker 12 (36:15):
I'm a retired Dade County detective. I worked vice down
in Miami back in the eighties, and I once arrested
a hooker, a call girl who was actually a teacher
in the daytime. So, yeah, dances, that's nice compared to
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what I encountered.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Well, can I just say, Clay, this guy was actually
Miami vice.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Nah. Yes, Crocket Tubs
Travis buck Sexton Show. We are rolling through the program
with all of you. President Trump continues to speak in
the Rose Garden. He's having a lunch for the Republican
senators there. We will update you on any major news
that may come out of that. As the shutdown continues,
(00:24):
there continues to be as Buck has discussed, the one
hundred and seven Days book of Kamala Harris is not
necessarily creating a huge stir nationwide, and she's not alone
now and having a book about the first term of
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the Biden administration. In fact, Kareem Jean Pierre, we have
not talked about her that much mercifully as she has
to a large extent vanished since she stepped down at
White House chief spokesperson is the White House Press Secretary.
But she is doing interviews now for her own book.
(01:10):
She now says that she is no longer in a Democrat.
She says that she is an independent and in a
availability so promoting this book, she said several interesting things
that I want to play for you, because while she
is now no longer White House Press Secretary, she remains
(01:33):
a professional liar. And she first was asked, hey, does
Joe Biden did Joe Biden have the ability to serve
as president until twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
She says, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Basically, cut one, now you know, God love him, we
send him our best, but that he has cancered like
the notion that this person was up for being president
of twenty twenty eight, was up for the communications responsibility
of this job and fighting. No, well, if you want again,
he would have to have been president all the way
U till twenty twenty eight. I think it's an absurd
thing to suggest that he could have been president. Do
(02:11):
you think he could have been president twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Look, I can't speak today.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I can't speak to it. I mean, I think it's
pretty self.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm not sure, sadly, that Joe Biden is even going
to be alive in twenty twenty eight buck, I mean,
as this cancer treatments and radiation, everything else he's going through.
I hope he is, but I'm not even sure he's
going to be alive in twenty eight, twenty twenty eight,
much less could he be president of the United States
until then. I don't think clearly he was capable of
(02:42):
being president of the United States until twenty twenty five,
we dodged a bullet that there wasn't some bigger issue
at stake. And I think actually this ties in with
your mom, Donnie take buck, which is a lot of
these jobs do themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And so or not.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There is extreme competence at the top. The train keeps
on moving no matter who's in charge. And I think
that's kind of the legacy of Biden twenty twenty to
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You want to talk about no kings, It's been a
longstanding historical reality. If you go back into history, you'll
see there are plenty of times where in monarchies somebody
ascended to the throne who was eight, yeah, or twelve
or whatever, and usually there's a regency period that they
set up. Well, this was something like that under the
(03:34):
Biden administration, except it was the very end of his
days or his years, rather than not at the beginning
of it. But he really wasn't running things in a
meaningful sense. The advisory team around him was clearly running
the country. And there's something deeply dishonest about that that
the American people have now come to grips with. I
(03:55):
mean even Democrats have had to go, oh yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
We were doing.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
And this is that's why I think there's going to
be a huge push among Democrats for an entirely fresh
start with whatever the next team is going to be.
I don't think that Karine Jean Pierre is going to
be welcome in the next White House administration. I don't
think that any of the top Biden advisors are going
to be I think this is a moment. It's a
bit like the way the Bush team and the Bush
(04:22):
era really was cleared out from the Republican Party during
the Obama years and beyond and obviously the Trump years.
So I think you're going to see something like that
with the Biden the Biden folks. Because her answer here,
I always go back and forth. I actually think it's
worse to suggest that you were so because we could
(04:43):
tell from watching him on TV. So if you're around
him physically a lot more than you and I are,
you're going to tell me that you were that lacking
in perception, really that stupid that you couldn't tell this
was going on. That's worse. But it's also a lie.
So you're lying a about your lie when you say
that Biden maybe could have done it. Or I couldn't
(05:04):
tell or whatever. You're lying again, you're not even coming
clean now, and she's continuing to lie. I wanted to
play this because she said when told Trump speaks way
more to the media, and again, Trump has been speaking
for basically.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The whole first hour that we have been on the air.
Right now in the Rose Garden, here's Karine Jean Pierre saying,
that's not true. You just didn't pay attention to how
often Biden was speaking. Cut three.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He talked way less to the press than Donald Trump does,
way less, and he wasn't out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There at all.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He wasn't good off the cuffs.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
He wasn't Let's just be real.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That's not true. Tim, you're conflating all of it. That's
what you're doing. No, you're first you're telling me he
didn't talk well about it. Then you're telling me he
didn't talk at all.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
He didn't do either.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
He didn't talk very often, and when he did, it
wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We weren't paying attention to what we were doing at
the White House.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But I paid attention to that. I'm with you his performance.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The President spoke to the American people a couple times
a week he traveled and did domestic travel and talked
directly to the American people.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This is, I mean, next level wisem No, it's not.
It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Interesting, isn't it that they're putting out these Biden administration memoirs,
and I think these are all I think these are
efforts to rehabilitate the individual image of people like Kamala
and Greene Jean Pierre. I also think some some Biden
White House folks play or seeing this and realizing, I
(06:38):
don't think I'm gonna write a book because if it's
not working for Kamala and Krean Jean Pierre, do you
think it's gonna work for like Jeff was Jeff Zeins.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Wasn't he one of the guys who was like a big.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, or John Kirby or all these like this is
this is how bad it is for Karine Jean Pierre.
Stephen Colbert is calling her out. Stee, I haven't even
heard this yet, but this is cut five. Colbert is
going after Carine Jean Pierre over Biden's mental acuity. This
is how bad it is. To your point, Buck, usually
(07:12):
everybody just kind of you know Bens the knee like pretends.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh you're a hero.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Let's go ahead and let you have your media circuit
cut five. It's not even happening on Colbert now.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
In a moment of Greate Thresher on stage, we saw
someone shock us and worry us, and no, nothing could
suage that worry. So I don't think it was necessarily
a betrayal of Joe Biden, as other people saying, we
don't think we were shown Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
You saw.
Speaker 8 (07:43):
I saw every day a really ugly assault on someone
who had fifty plus years of experience and who again objectively,
had done a good job as president of the United States,
and it was heartbreaking to see that type of behavior.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I think all of.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
That, everything you're saying, I cannot fault the factual basis
of of what you're saying or your feelings about it.
But what happened was the debate performance. Everything is downstream
of that, and.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
No one is saying that the debate performance wasn't shocking.
Was it a disappointment. No one is saying is such
a light I use your use your world.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Look listen, we're never going to agree on this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
We're not I mean, when when when Stephen Colbert is
cutting you off and basically saying, I'm not even going
to allow you to lie to this audience anymore.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But this, this actually makes perfect sense because I've said
this all along. It's it's like a principle that I
apply to Democrats, so they're never it never surprises me
when this happens. They will remember if they have to
embarrass themselves in order to promote the Democrat. You know,
they'll remember that that's where they whether it's journals or
(09:02):
former late night you know, so called comedy hosts, all
that stuff. And they realized they lit their credibility on
fire to protect this guy, and Trump became president. Anyway, Yes,
it's one thing in twenty twenty to have done this,
which they all did, because they could always they could
look at their voters, They could look at the Democrats
(09:23):
in the eye and say, yeah, guys, the whole point is,
you know, we won. Who cares. Whatever lies we had
to tell were justified. But this time around they got
caught lying in a way that was embarrassing to them
as individuals. It meant that people like you and I,
they can't sit on a panel with that's I'm talking
about They'll get ridiculed, they will get smoked if they
(09:45):
try to make the argument.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That biden't we didn't know that he had.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
You know that, they know that, Clay, they hate that,
and Trump won. So it's a disaster.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
And really, Karine Jean Pierre going to this book tour,
she is, in fact, for people like Colbert, just a
reminder of the Biden disaster. And the same thing with Kamala.
Nobody really wants to hear it. They're trying and nobody
wants to hear it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think what it is is you hit on it too.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They've passed the point of being propagandist, and now it
is embarrassing and shameful to them that they would continue
to advocate for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And this is why I do think you're right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
There's probably a lot of people that worked in the
Biden White House that are maybe not going to write
books because they're seeing what the reaction is when you
come out and try to make the argument that you
think Biden did a good job. I would also point
this out, and this is the big question I think
going forward to what extent is the stench of Biden
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protectionism going to remain a story for Democrats going forward,
because if it is, then it would torpedo Kamala mayor
Pete any of the individuals that are hoping that they
can advance and be the nominee again in twenty eight.
And I wonder behind the scenes whether Gavin Newsom, who
(11:14):
is playing all his angles here, is going to try
to knock everybody out over this as well, because any
wanted connected to Biden, they lied.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They covered up.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
There's no argument that's inxcoringly becoming even more apparent.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
It's worse than that they'll clay. They lied and they fail. Yeah,
lying is not a problem for Democrats. They lied about
Biden in twenty twenty. He was scrambled eggs in twenty twenty.
And they caught me a flat foot on that one
because I was like, guys, come on, I can't be
Biden sure enough, lying and failing. And that's where I
think Gavin Newsom metaphorically speaking, smells blood in the water
(11:57):
on this one. He knows, he knows that the No
King protesters, they all feel betrayed because they looked like clowns,
all of them in their social circles. If they knew
a single person who wasn't a Biden voter. They look
like idiots in retrospect saying oh, no, he's fine, he's fine.
(12:17):
And then Donald Trump becomes the next president of the
United States unforgivable, and they're still trying to tell the lie.
That's maybe the part that surprised me.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I'm surprised that KJP just doesn't say, Look, we knew
Biden was going downhill, but we thought that he was
far better than Trump, and we didn't want to embolden Trump.
Why not just make that argument at this point.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Well, that was why I also found the whole Tapper
Original Sin book. The whole premise is dishonest because we
went on the show every day for four years saying, guys,
Biden is not of sound mind.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And it were self evident, and in fact, they accused
us of being liars for even being willing to say it,
and then the debate happened and overnight we were all
truth tellers.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, so its the whole thing just doesn't and it's
a continue It's an ongoing disaster story for the Democrats politically, and.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
They deserve it.
Speaker 9 (13:07):
They deserve it.
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We have got thirteen days until the New York City
mayor race, until the governor's race in New Jersey, until
the governor's race in Virginia. And I woke up this
morning as one of the few people who still buys
(14:58):
print newspapers, and I'm in New York City, still flying
back home tonight, And the front page of the New
York Post Buck, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, says,
just walk away, Beret. Even Allies tell Slee what to
drop mayor bid, don't let Zoran win. And you know
(15:21):
you grew up in New York City. The tabloids don't
have the same impact necessarily that they used to do
back in the day, but as the conservative leaning tabloid,
when the Post puts the Republican mayor nominee on the
front page of the paper and says, basically making fun
of him, get out of this race. You have no
chance of winning. The pressure on Slee what to drop
(15:45):
out continues to rise. You grew up in New York City, Buck,
Do you think there's any way Curtis Slee what drops out?
Or do you think at this point, thirteen days out
it doesn't matter because early voting starts, I think in
a few days. If he's not going to drop out
in the next couple of days, it's over.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I don't see him dropping out at all, and I
see zor On Mamdani as the next mayor of New York.
I'm just basing this on the polls and all of
the now. Can we also just people say, what about
the polls with Trump? Polls can be wrong within three
or four points, and in a presidential election that makes
all the difference. It's very rare for every single polster
(16:24):
to be wrong by thirty points. Yes, there's a difference. Okay,
that is just to get this because I'm seeing you
guys are annoying maman, I'm not annoying anything. I'm the
one who thinks it's insane that Mamdani could become the
mayor of New York. I'm the one who wants to stop,
do whatever we can through this election process to make
him not the mayor. But unfortunately, the numbers are the numbers.
(16:45):
You're talking about an eight to one Democrat to Republican city,
and no variation of the numbers coming even close to
a Cuomo win, even if rather with with Curtis Lee
was staying in. There's no variation that I've seen that
does that. The thing that makes me pretty sanguine about
it all, Clay, not a seguine, as you, sir, but
(17:06):
seguin about it all is I don't think Cuomo would
be good. Yeah, I maybe not. Insane is not the
same thing as good. I think he'd be a very
bad mayor and and in some respects people keep talking
about the COVID thing.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He was the no bail, no jail guy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It was Andrew Cuomo who was like, you know what,
let's let that maniac out who just punks the old
lady on the subway. Let's let him out. Even with
the fiftieth time he's been arrested, No no bail. That's
the Cuomo routine.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
This is where blue cities leave themselves with no real option.
Andrew Cuomo, who was one of the worst governors during COVID,
is now the savior supposedly of New York City. Which
is why shining light in a dark room potentially thirteen
days from now, I think it's gonna help Elie Stephonic
in the governor's race, and I think it's gonna help
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show. We are
gonna be in Indiana tomorrow as we span the globe,
span the country.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Wayne, Baby, Fort Wayne, here we come. Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So we are looking forward to seeing many of you
at Woo's one hundred year celebration. That's a pretty impressive thing.
So we're gonna be in Fort Wayne, Indiana tomorrow. We're
gonna be meeting a lot of you in that area.
We look forward to that event. And if you are
listening to us in that region, well maybe you will
(19:27):
see us as we are rolling through. All right, Buck,
you mentioned it. You'll leave me and you have no
idea what might come on. I thought I was making
the least controversial argument that's ever taken place. Let me
reiterate what happened this Chicago area teacher. I'm sure you
saw the video book. As the No Kings protests were
(19:50):
going on, a Trump affiliated car is driving by to
turning Point, USA, driving by, and this elementary school teacher
celebrates by putting her hand to her throat as if
she is she's mimicking the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Disgusting, I mean really and psychotic, disgusting stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And I said, as a part of the argument that look,
I'm a free speech guy, but there is a morality
component to being an elementary school teacher, and you can
be fired for violating that morality component. And as an example,
as an example, I said, for instance, I think most
(20:36):
people would not want their kids elementary school teacher to
be a stripper. And I can't believe it, but we
have been we have been deluged by people that actually
disagreed with me. So here we have a widebray. Some
of them are very funny, but I thought we could
play some of these, some of these talkbacks. And Brandon
(21:01):
I also said, by the way, that there's a middle
ground right where if you worked as a waiter or
waitress at Applebee's, I think that you could clearly probably
have both jobs, right. A lot of teachers have multiple
jobs maybe you work in the summer when you're out
of school. And I said, but Hooters might be a
more of a middle ground, right, like where people could
agree or disagree. Brandon and Michigan says he'd go to
(21:24):
a lot more school activities if his kids teacher also
worked at Hooters. This is bbe Brandon weighing in trivias.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
I'm just gonna say, if my kids teacher worked at Hooters,
I'd probably be a lot more interested in going to
conferences and going to school activities.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
All right, thank you, Brandon. And then Ken in California,
he's fired up at me. I'm my opinion that you
can't be a stripper and an elementary school teacher.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He's mad. He says, hey, Clay, you're wrong. CC.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
You know you can't be for the first and boobs
and give this teacher criticism over her First Amendment right
for expression. Yes it's abhorrent, Yes it's tacky, Yes it's despicable.
Hate speech has still got to be a protective speech,
whether we like it or not. And I don't like it,
but she did it, and it's not against the law.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Is I'm gone for one hour?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I don't know you have the Keys to the Car
solo and our entire inbox today is about boobs.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
But I mean, I am of the opinion I said
this on the show. I think Bucky you would sign
off like if we employed someone on the Clay and
Buck Show that celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination. I believe in
the First Amendment. The First Amendment doesn't mean that there
aren't consequences for your behavior. And if you are a
(22:49):
public school teacher, elementary school, I don't think you should
be teaching kids if you are going around publicly celebrating
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. That's my opinion. I wouldn't
want my third grader. I wouldn't want to walk in
there and know that she had been at a No
King's protest doing celebratory gestures having to do with Charlie
(23:11):
Kirk's murder, because that would influence her teaching to all
the people who are saying this about that teacher, for example.
But these are it's always situational with leftists. They want
what they want, how they want it, when they want it.
There's no principle, there's no rule that we can all
be held to. And I just give you this. If
(23:31):
if Jimmy Kimmel, or if this teacher had had been
shouting a racial slur, a racial slur that you're never
allowed to say, would we be hearing about free speech arguments.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Would they be saying, Oh, but you know it's free speech,
you're allowed to say that. No, you're not right. So
where is the line here? The line is what is
abhorrence to the people that you are either serving in
the case of a teacher the communitysrving, or to a
very unfunny late night talk show host who's representing a
(24:05):
broader corporate brand. And this is true of anybody. I
might add, you don't make You don't get to make
a free speech argument. If you walked into inn a
Tech while you're working for Lumberg and you told Lumberg
what you really think of him when he's like, would
you come in and work on Saturday?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Great movie?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And you started great movie and you started just dropping
all kinds of curse words and telling him what you
really think of him and his stupid suspenders and the
whole thing, and he fired you. You don't have a
First Amendment argument. I just feel like people intentionally confuse
this thing now where you are entitled. If you're advancing
(24:44):
leftist ideology in some capacity, the First Amendment means you
have an ironclad right to not be fired from your
job or have there be any consequences for it. Then
people say, well, what about when the cancel culture stuff.
The cancel culture stuff was unreasonable and irrational firing of
people for saying entirely valid and normal and things that
(25:05):
half the country agrees with.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes, and look.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Again, I think that public school elementary school teachers, which
are being funded by all of our taxpayers, I don't
think it's too high of a standard of behavior to
expect that you're not going to be in public celebrating
a public assassination of a figure. And so I think
(25:31):
if you did that and Rachel Maddow had gotten shot
and you were a super right winger, which I don't
think people would even really celebrate it, the consequence on
the same side, you shouldn't be celebrating political assassinations and
making a living teaching young kids.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I don't think that's crazybody who's defending anybody who's I
mean anyone who's defending this particular teacher who made this
abhorren gesture.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
If that teacher had walked.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You know, if that teacher was walking the street, it's
with a you know, George Floyd got what he deserved.
He was a convicted felon drug addict, you know, written
on or teacher. Would any even be making the case that,
you know, that's okay free speech, No, they would not.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They would all be saying, oh.
Speaker 9 (26:13):
But the racism and the bad things, and they can't
be corrupting the mind of the youth and all this
other stuff. So this is why I found the Jimmy
Kimmel argument, which ties into this too, just absurd on
its face. It's like he said something that pissed off
a lot of people. He doesn't have a First Amendment
right to keep that job that he has forever. There
(26:34):
are a million things, Not only do we have FCC.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Regulations here on radio, there are a million things that
have either of us said, we get into a lot
of trouble.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Really, it's you know, have you betrayed your audience, right,
or have you betrayed a large enough portion of your
audience with what you've said or outraged them with what
you've said that you cease to be able to function
as somebody who they can trust and who is.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Still a viable show.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, I mean, this is what was happening on the
other side and the cancel culture wars was people were
creating a fiction that there was outrage at somebody. This
happened to rush outrage at somebody for something that was said,
and then there were actions taken based on the lie
that this was actually so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Look, I think if you went back in time and
you were looking at the Jimmy Kimmel thing, the FCC
weighing in, I think actually made it a bigger story
than it would have been if nobody had weighed in
at all on the government level, because then they said, oh, well,
this is government pressure and coercion. Look, the reality is
(27:39):
he missed four days and now he's back on the
air and there is virtually no discussion about this.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
But if But that also tells you that there was
no real fear of government coercion because they wouldn't have
just put him on the air a few days later.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So that was a pretext. The whole thing was.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Again that's why I said, if you didn't say anything
about Roseanne or Gina Carano when they were canceled at
which almost no one did. We talked about that quite
a lot. Then I don't understand how you decide that
Jimmy Kimmel is the line in the sand that you
will draw. I mean, the ACLU getting involved in everybody else.
But yes, your bigger picture point is an important one.
The government restricting your speech is what you should be
(28:18):
concerned about. That's actually what Alex Berenson's lawsuit, which I
think is still pending, is about, because that's what Joe
Biden did. Joe Biden went to Facebook, and he went
to Twitter, and he went to YouTube, and that they threatened.
They said, if you don't take down these posts that
we don't like relating to COVID, there's going to be
(28:41):
a punishment. And now everybody suddenly is circling around and
saying what you and I said for a long time,
which brings me to cut twenty eight. Remember Buck in
New York City when Kyrie Irving refused to get the
COVID shot in Brooklyn, and they wouldn't allowow him to
play in the games, but they would allow him to
(29:03):
sit in the crowd court side. Do you remember that
absurdity of COVID. They wouldn't let him play in the game,
but they would allow him to sit on the court
and watch the games. That was the line that they
were drawing at that point in time.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I remember being in line for the Columbus Circle, New
York City Whole Foods peak pandemic time, and they were
enforcing with Prussian efficiency six feet of distancing between people
standing in the line. Yes, and then you got into
the place. You got into the Whole Foods and it
(29:40):
was absolutely mobbed with people like shoulder to shoulder and
all the aisles and everything. You know, unlimited time to shop,
do whatever you want to do. So outside where you
actually cannot spread the virus as an air, an open air,
six feet of distancing inside, shoulder to shoulder with worthless
masks on. And you know, this is all you need
(30:02):
to know about. Somebody is a public figure, as a leader,
as a commentator, how were they during COVID It was
the stress test and all these respects, which just brings
me full circle to Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He was awful.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
He was as bad as Gavin Newsom, he was as
bad as Gretchen Whitber. He was absolutely terrible. In fact,
I think you could argue he was the worst because
he really set the tone of panic and authoritarianism alongside it.
That then all these other states followed because New York
got hit first, and here to close out to tie
in all of this. As the story has altered, Stephen A. Smith,
(30:35):
ESPN's most prominent employee, now says, hey, Kyrie Irving was right.
He should have never taken the COVID shot.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And they came after Kyrie Irving, They came after Aaron Rodgers,
they came after everybody who was in athletics that refused.
And I do give a little bit of credit to
Steven A because he's now pointing out that Kyrie was right,
whereas most people out there are still saying nothing at all.
Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Kyrie's a good brother. We used to butt hands because
he misworked you damn much. And I'm like, yo, man,
this brother's electrifund. I want to see this brother dancing
on a basketball court. I want to hear, no, you
got no COVID vaccine. You count chance on the court
and you see you now. Obviously, in hindsight, the brother
right because we see all the conspiracy theories that come out,
And props to him for look for seeing for having
(31:22):
the first sight to see that. We didn't see that
at the time and then but you also have to understand,
I'm living in the world where you got cats making
thirty eight forty forty five million, you got gms and
owners complaining about it, and you got billionaires looking me
in the face of saying, yo, Stephen A, I took
that damn vaccine. Who the hell are they not to
take the vaccine? And we're living in a country where
(31:44):
the government was imposing all of that on us. So
I'm sitting there going like this, we all taking the risk.
Kyrie said, no props to him, but I didn't view
it that way.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So he was right.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Most people won't even acknowledge that Kyrie Irving and Aaron Rodgers,
into other prominent athletes who said I'm not going to
get the COVID shot were in fact correct. But it's
just one of very many things that to your point,
Andrew Cuomo, who is now supposed to be the savior
of New York, was one billion percent wrong on.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
He was terrible.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
This is why I can't get that energized about the
anything to defeat. I think Sleeva probably feels this way too.
I haven't heard him say this. But we're supposed to
go and break out, you know, and and break the glass,
do anything we can so that Andrew Cuomo can be
the mayor.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, he's horrible. Yes, I get it. I think I
think he hates Cuomo.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Bok. Trump just
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important takeaways from that coming up here in a few
minutes time. Also, we've got some updates on the Trump
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So we shall be diving into that, and we also
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will be taking more of your calls and your talkbacks,
perhaps more analysis of the New York City mayoral situation.
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some we was good to do a talkback a VIP email. Actually,
how this is from Tammy Clay. What if the teacher
celebrated the assassination of Martin Luther King, How would it
be any different. We cannot have this in our society.
This is not hate speech, This is terroristic in nature,
has no place around children. You can't say one political
(35:43):
assassination is good and right just while the other is evil.
There's no such thing as justified political assassination.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I think that's well said. Yeah, I think that's really
well said. And again, they haven't fired her. She still
is employed, according to the team, as a Chicago polic
school teacher, So she is still molding the minds of
young people all over the Chicago area. Can you trust
her to be honest and forthright? I do not believe so.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Podcast listener jj KK on the talkbacks play it.
Speaker 12 (36:15):
I'm a retired Dade County detective. I worked vice down
in Miami back in the eighties, and I once arrested
a hooker, a call girl who was actually a teacher
in the daytime. So, yeah, dances, that's nice compared to
(36:38):
what I encountered.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Well, can I just say, Clay, this guy was actually
Miami vice.
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