June 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the latest political developments, immigration policy debates, and the early maneuvering for the 2028 presidential election. The hour opens with analysis of the ongoing protests in Los Angeles and other cities, highlighting how President Donald Trump's administration has responded with a firm stance on law enforcement and immigration. The hosts frame this as a win for the rule of law and a political victory for President Trump and the Republican Party. A major focus is on California Governor Gavin Newsom, who is positioning himself as the leading Democrat opposing President Trump. The hosts critique Newsom’s recent speech and suggest that his strategy is a calculated move to launch a 2028 presidential campaign. They argue that Newsom’s vision of making America more like California is politically risky on a national scale, citing California’s declining appeal and governance challenges. The conversation shifts to New York, where former Governor Andrew Cuomo is reportedly eyeing a political comeback by running for mayor of New York City. The hosts speculate that Cuomo’s ultimate goal is a 2028 presidential bid, setting up a potential rivalry with other Democratic figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. They analyze the political subtext behind endorsements and intra-party conflicts, emphasizing the early jockeying for influence within the Democratic Party. Education and immigration policy are also central themes. The hosts criticize the strain that mass illegal immigration places on public school systems, particularly in cities like New York, where over 180 languages are spoken in schools. They argue for English as the national language and highlight the declining proficiency rates in reading and math as evidence of systemic failure. Later in the hour, the show features an exclusive interview with New York Post columnist Miranda Devine, who recently sat down with President Trump as her first guest on her new podcast Pod Force One. Devine shares insights from their conversation, including Trump’s reflections on his childhood, his views on Elon Musk, and his strategic mindset heading into a potential second term. Trump reportedly emphasized his readiness to act decisively, his improved team, and his commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The hour wraps up with a lighter segment where Clay Travis challenges WNBA star Angel Reese to a one-on-one basketball game, sparking humorous debate and listener reactions. The hosts also tease future sports-related content and discuss the idea of a sovereign wealth fund for the U.S., referencing commentary from financial expert Jim Rickards
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour of Clay and Bucket's going right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The protests in Los Angeles seem to be contained for
right now, although elsewhere there are reports of efforts to
spread this protest.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Movement, including in Texas. I've seen San Antonio. I've got
a whole bunch of places that may have these protests
in the days ahead. So we will continue to follow
this very closely, and that's something that we want to
keep an eye on, because, yeah, it could flare up again.
(00:38):
But in the meantime, I think this round has clearly
been a victory for not just Donald Trump and the Republicans.
It's just a victory for the rule of law, a
victory for sanity. And this is why Gavin Newsom has
decided as a governor of California. Wall Street journal piece
today Clay naming him as the leader of the opposition
(01:02):
right that this is how he's trying to position himself
at least, And Gavenusom gave a speech last night which
I think was very clearly directed at that outcome of Oh,
Gavenusam is now the premier Democrat in America standing against Trump.
Problem is, I think the politics of this are far
more treacherous nationally. Not in California, sure, but nationally for
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Gavin Newsom, and maybe he even realizes, but here he is.
You know that you knew this was coming, that the
emotional blackmail, the oh my gosh, these are the best
people that are being arrested.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
This is cut for Gavin Newsom addressed California, really addressed
the nation last night.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Trump is pulling a military dragnet all across Los Angeles,
well beyond his stated intent to just go after violent
and serious criminals. His agents are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers,
and seamstresses. That's just weakness, weakness masquerading as strength. Donald
(02:04):
Trump's government isn't protecting our communities. They're traumatizing our communities.
And that seems to be the entire point. If some
of us could be snatched off the streets without a
warrant based only on suspicion or skin color, then none
of us are safe.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I don't think anyone's going to deport Gavin Newsom. Okay,
this none of us are safe thing is absurd. I
also think Clay that it's very clear given what the
Biden administration. Did you can't that ten million number? They
can't run from that and everyone knows. Okay, So you guys,
when you're in charge, the Democrats are in charge the
laws all of a sudden, the same laws that bind
us in so many different ways that we may or
(02:43):
may not agree with, right depends on what you're talking about.
Those same laws include laws on immigration and on the
illegal presence that is unfortunately far too common all across
this country. When Gavin Newsom says this, often he goes,
they're arresting dishwashers and washer, et cetera. A lot of
people say, well, are they illegal? And if they are,
(03:03):
the answer is okay, then that's the law.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah. And to me, this is not even about ice
or the raids or anything else. I think Gavin Newsom,
who is a calculated guy, has made the decision this
is my way to launch my twenty twenty eight presidential campaign.
And so remember, by January of twenty twenty seven, there
will be a full on presidential campaign underway. Iowa, New
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Hampshire January February twenty twenty eight. I know it sounds
like it's a long time away, but all of these
guys are going to be raising money in the next
eighteen months, so that when they announced right after the
mid terms in January of twenty twenty seven. Heck, remember,
Trump himself announced in November of twenty twenty two that
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he was going to be running for reelection, and DeSantis
really took it on the chin because he didn't announce
it until May of twenty twenty three that he was running.
And they tried to hold out for the Florida legislative
session to be over, and Trump identified DeSantis as the
only contender and basically started throwing punches at him immediately,
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and DeSantis waited a long time to respond, and by
the time he did, it was over. Now, I don't
know once the raid happened on mar A Lago in
August of twenty two, if I'm remembering the chronology correctly,
I don't know that anybody could have beaten Trump to
be the nominee. But I think that the clear decision
made by Newsom here is I'm going to run anti Trump,
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which is positive in the Democrat primary. This is the
best way for me to distinguish myself. Here's the challenge.
Gavin Newsom thinks that Americans still look to California and
see it as an aspirational goal. The problem is most
people don't see it that way anymore. And you've talked
about this, and I grew up in the same era
(04:56):
that you did, Buck where California the nineties, Yeah, was
like a place that everybody wanted to be. California in
the early two thousands was a place that everybody wanted
to be. I think running as I'm going to make
America more like California is a disaster. And this is
one thing that I think Ron DeSantis was right about.
And if we had gotten DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty
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twenty four, I think that DeSantis would have won comfortably.
And if we get DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty twenty eight,
I think that Ron DeSantis would would win comfortably. America
doesn't want itself to look like California, and I think
that Gavin Newsom is living a generation behind in the
way that he believes America sees his state. That's to
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me what stands out here.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I also think that they have done a very poor
job of opposing Trump in a way that would bring
over people who don't already hate Trump. Right, if you're
trying to win over anybody who hasn't been anti Trump
all along, they're all the stuff that they're saying about this,
(06:03):
I think is creating a bigger problem for them in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Here's here's an example.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Cuomo, who maybe the next governor of New York City.
This is cut twenty nine. This is now going over
to New York. I'm saying to say, governor, mayor, mayor
of New York City, former governor of New York, mayor
of New York City. Although this other guy we'll talk
to our New York experts here later on about this,
the Democrat primer. But here is the former governor of
New York saying something that I think you all need
(06:30):
to hear. This goes into the diversity is our Strength
situation play twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We are the capital of diversity.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
One and eighty languages spoken in our school system.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Eighty different languages, people from all across the world.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That makes us stronger, not weaker.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
That is actually not a good thing play. It does
not make think about this. I understand people say, oh,
but buck people from the world and it's so amazing.
English as a second language instruction is a huge problem
in a lot of public schools, an enormous strain on resources.
And there are the kids who speak English are having
a tough enough time getting to proficiency. You're bringing kids
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from all over the world who come from non English
I'm talking about. I'm not talking about parents who show
up who speak English. I'm talking with people whose parents
speak very little, if any, English, are on public assistance
of some kind, which we know they can get in
New York, we know they can get in California.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Now they're in the school system. And now you're trying.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
To teach them the skills and particularly you know, the
the language skills necessary to operate at fifth grade, eighth grade,
second grade.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
High school, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Enormously slows down the rest of the class, enormously obstructs
and costs more in learning.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But this is the thing, Oh one hundred and any
languages are spoken.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
One thing that I want the trumpet. Maybe you can
bring us up tomorrow. English is the national language. English
as the national language, full stop. And I live in
South Florida. I gotta tell you, I love my South Florida.
But we need more English as the national language down
there too. This is something that unites us on how
can you understand the law, truly understand the law in
this country if you don't speak.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
English, you can't. And I mean I would just go
back to the biblical story of the Tower of Babel.
I mean, the goal of building a great building in
the Bible was destroyed by the number of languages that
suddenly everybody had to speak. And this is this is
why baanal commentary like diversity is our strength is actually
(08:39):
not true, right, And what I mean by that is
diversity of thought is a strength. But in order to
communicate that diversity of thought, you have to be able
to speak a common language. So in order to have
diversity as a strength, there has to be an agreement
on its baseline foundational levels that are allow the communication
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to take place. And I don't think it's a bad
thing to have kids learning English. I think the problem
that you're speaking of, Buck is there are a lot
of people who come to America and aren't bothering to
learn English. They aren't trying to assimilate in some way
to speak with the larger community around them. And one
(09:21):
hundred and eighty different languages. How in the world can
a public school accommodate that kind of diversity of language
when it comes to being able to instruct everybody. And so, look,
I understand what Mayor Cuomo is trying to say. By
the way, he's running for president in twenty twenty eight
(09:44):
by winning.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but New York City last year had, by their
own assessments, fifty percent proficiency at grade level in reading
and math.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So half of New York City public school kids to
be not proficient based on these public school standards means
you are way below where you need to be. This
is not that's remember, proficiency is not I'm getting an A.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Proficiency means you can operate at that level generally speaking,
So to be non proficient. And so in that situation,
you grow up, you're a you're a kid, you're a
Latino American kid, you're a Black American kid in poor
parts of New York City, and you're you know, you
want more attention, you want more resources, you want a
better shot. And then you've got the illegal migrants who
(10:31):
are showing up one hundred and fifty thousand of them
in one year in New York. I think was that
it was the height of it and then they're all
going into the school system. Of course that's going to
slow things down. Of course that's going to make the
budgets of the school system more strained than they already are.
You know, they get a lot of money. But that's
a whole other conversation. And it's just this is basic
(10:52):
common sense. What other country Clay is prancing around and
talking about how great it is or what are their politicians?
Maybe some place in Europe that are the same problems
we do. But you don't have this anywhere else in
the world where they say, you know what, we want
as many people as possible to show up here who
don't speak the language and know nothing about this place.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Let's get that going on. Well, I think the challenge
too is you said that they're saying fifty percent of
New York City kids are proficient and reading in math.
One of the big problems we have in America today
is that we continue to define standards of proficiency down.
So it's not only that let's say fifty percent of
kids are proficient, it's that proficiency in twenty twenty four
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and twenty twenty five is quite a lot different than
proficiency in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty and by
the way, that's actually the way they shared that statistic.
A third of New York City fourth graders last year
we're proficient in math, one third proficient, two thirds not
proficient at the fourth grade level. And once you get
behind at those, look we can I don't want to
(11:55):
make this just an education discussion, but the point here
is people recognize there are very This is why the
bussing people to Democrats strongholds. Okay, fine, you want to
play this game, go to New York, go to Chicago.
Let those cities deal with it. This is what Governor
Abbott did in Texas. Ron de Santis did some of
this as well in Florida, and it was fine, you
(12:16):
take these illegals. Yes, they are very much a drain
on public resources, and there are people that need those
resources who are saying, what's going on here? Why are
we devoting this to people who aren't even supposed to
be in the country in the first place, no doubt.
And again I think the under sort of the foundational
(12:36):
story that's going on here is you're already starting to
see aggressive jockeying to win the Democrat primary. Prepare yourselves.
If Andrew Cuomo wins the mayorship of New York City,
and I think he will, He's going to run for
president in twenty twenty eight. This is his redemption arc.
He can say the people of New York forced him
out as governor. He's already saying he shouldn't have left,
(12:59):
that he did naturally sexually harass anybody. He's gonna say
that's in the past. I've done a great job as mayor.
I'm just telling you what his argument's gonna be. And
Gavin Newsom is coming against Trump because he's gonna run.
They're all setting up for that primary, and you're gonna
have New York top official Cathy Hokals out. You know,
Chuck Schumer's not running. Maybe AOC will vote for me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I will no longer grab you around the waist or
kiss you strangely on the side of the face.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
That is Andrew Cuomo on the show right now. Let
me also point this out, Buck AOC endorsed Andrew Cuomo's
top arrival.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They want to talk about a guy who keeps who
holds grudges. Cuomo famously to a nasty infighter in politics
who holds a grudge for it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But don't mistake that's not because she cares who the
mayor of New York City is. That's because she wants
to cut Andrew Cuomo's legs out from underneath him, because
if he doesn't get elected mayor, she's the forefront New
York national candidate in twenty twenty eight. So sometimes you
have to look at not just the text, but the
(14:09):
subtext of what's going on. And I think you're already
seeing the political jockeying for who is going to run
in twenty eight. And by the way, you know what
Kevin Newsom will say. He'll say Trump is the worst
human who's ever existed in the Democrat primary. If he
were the nominee, you know what he tried to do.
He'd tried to say. You know, Trump actually got a
(14:29):
lot right when he ran for president in twenty twenty eight.
I had a good relationship with him. That's the pivot
that you would immediately see. Sprint to the left, become
the Democrat you get elected anti Trump, sprint back to
the center. Trump had good ideas, but I can implement
some of them to appeal to moderate voters. He wasn't
(14:49):
actually the antichrist he wasn't actually Hitler, but first you
have to say he's the Antichrist and he's Hitler. It's
so predictable, But I think it's important to not just
pay attention to what's being said, look behind what's being
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
We'll talk to Miranda Devine here coming up shortly about
her sit down with President Trump and looking forward to
diving into all of that with her. Always a fun
conversation there. We've also got some other stories. We're gonna
be diving. If you want to take your talkbacks and
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Number to call into. Of course you know that.
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And we will dive into all that here coming up shortly.
And Clay might even have a sports idea that we're
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But you have to stick around for this one. We've
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Speaker 3 (17:50):
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Okay, we're going to get into this.
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Speaker 3 (19:06):
We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fairnesas all. We got Carol Markowitz too. I was going
to give you the title of our favorite person at
the New York Post, but we really like Carol Markowitz too,
So I don't want to offend anybody out there. Miranda,
you just had to sit down with President Trump in
the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about the internet now,
(19:28):
and there are many different things. I know that he
told you what stood out to you the most about
the interview that you had with President Trump from a
news perspective.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carole is great. She's a
maid of mine, so I'm glad you like us both. Look,
don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know
sometimes like when we talked about Camp, David couldn't really
he said, I can't really talk about it. Off did
say that they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran
(20:01):
and Russia. He gave you know, a lot of insights
into his conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon.
He's sort of open to reconciliation, but you know, not
right now.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He's too busy.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And also some of his childhood experiences you know his
father bundled them off to military school at thirteen because
he was so rambunctious, and his father wasn't terribly thrilled
when they got back some aptitude test scores for.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we've popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one and it is underway right now, and I
do think it speaks to a pod Force one. Sorry
(21:02):
is the name of her podcast. She's back with us
right now. Miranda, you popped out right there. You were
talking about Donald Trump talking about his dad shipping him
off to military school, and that's where we lotched you.
What did he talk about there?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunciously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy, and his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(21:38):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed Riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
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it was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, yes, we had played the audio already. Oh yeah,
and the memes are rolling in because I have been
attacking men who play.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Has been attacking male flute players. You leave the ladies
out of this, but male flute players, he decides, Miranda,
there's there's.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Some questions, just Clay's asking questions.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
If you have a choice to play any instrument in
the world, and you picked the flute, you have chosen
very poorly, and I think that you cannot be trusted
for anything serious. Now. Trump said he might have had
a great flute playing future, but instead he gave that
up and became a multi billionaire developer. I give him
credit for abandoning the flute.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And President, well, he said he didn't like it, so
his mother had sensed all these instructors to the house
to get him taught to play the flute, but he
did not want to play the flute, so that didn't
last for very long. And I mean, it's just amusing.
Of all the instruments, I can't think one that's less
appropriate to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
their play in the was it the James Madison Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image among
the among the orchestral instrument and would wind community. So
there's a little bit of a loss here for us, Miranda,
because I think that Trump could have you know, he
could have made flutes great again, and instead he decided
to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
How how is it?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, this is one of these things where Trump
talks I think to enough people, and you know, we
hear how he feels on a lot of these policy
things enough that we're pretty up to date, pretty in tune,
if you will, with what his thinking is on a
lot of things. But in terms of his poise, the
sense that this time around he learned a lot the
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first time. I mean, just take us into his mindset
a little bit from sitting down with him, and and
and what you felt like you were gathering from this
guy who still has the weight of the world on
his shoulders but always seems calm, cool and collected that
when he's a little angry.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But you know, for the most part, yeah, he is.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And it's that confidence and sort of New York swagger
that he's just had. He's really as far as back
as he can remember. He says, it's just he does.
You know, I said, you sort of act against the
grain quite often. And he says, well, you know, I've
got the hat that says Trump was always right, But
he says, I just it's I don't feel.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm a rebel.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I just have an innate sense of what's the right
thing to do, and I do it, and I don't
really care what other people say. And he said, for instance,
he pointed to the la riots, and you know, last
time he sort of regretted in twenty twenty that he
wasn't as forceful. But he said, at the time, well,
I just thought, really I would leave it to the
(24:45):
governors to make those decisions. But obviously the Blue states,
the blue governors did not do that. Whether it was
because they thought that they, you know, it would be
a great way of beating Donald Trump at the polls
later that year, which I guess worked. But this time round,
he said, this is a much more consequential presidency. He
(25:06):
feels it because, well, in part, he said, because he's got.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Did we lose her again? I think we might have
lost it again. I'm back.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yeah, I'm very sorry about it. My stupid phone. And yeah,
he just feels like, you've got a better team more
more like he said that I had some stars last time,
but I also had some losers, And.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yes, category did.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And it's important that he recognized that, I think, Miranda.
And one of the challenges early on was Trump was
this political phenomen talking about term one, you know, first
first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But a lot of
us who were who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen,
who were excited about it, some of the people that
were in charge, whether it was the mooch or some
of the others that got into that administration, we all
(25:53):
knew right away, well, this.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Is not a good you know, this is not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And Trump realized that and this time around, I look
at the team that he picked, and I think it's
not just that we think it's good. The results, the speed,
the efficiency with which they're moving on the agenda is
the you know, at this stage at least they still
have a lot to do. But that is the result
of somebody, or those are the actions of somebody who
I think clearly learned a lot on the job the
(26:17):
first time around and came ready to play day one
this time.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yes, and he said that, he in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country, but he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fix the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage and he's confident
(26:44):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(27:05):
sort of ripoffed to Elon and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's he's disappointed about Iran. He said he
really thought they were going to get the deal done,
but just the last few days he's realized. He said,
they've changed. And I asked, what do you mean they've changed?
(27:27):
And he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he
just said he felt that they wanted to do a
deal before. Now he's not so sure. But either way,
he said, they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not.
That's not happening, and you know, it can either happen
the nice way or he really doesn't want people to die,
(27:47):
but they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Where does this go in your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent
(28:13):
genius fifty percent boy kid, and I do think there's
some truth to that as well. How would you assess
where this goes from here.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when they was still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success and I guess he's brilliance, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(28:44):
almost like you look at an insect under the glass.
You know, it's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donal Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, look, I don't bear any
(29:06):
ill will towards him. But I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, Elon may have tried to reach
out a couple of times or you know, I don't
know a bit, not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else and we and I
(29:27):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or to a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
There are lines, and.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He definitely crossed some lines that are that I don't
think we'll be able to be undone. But I also
think that they'll collaborate as needed in the future, but
from a more shall we say, professional distance and less
of almost like adopted sun status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he has.
And you know, it was a real romance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the where Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back.
(30:33):
And maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(30:54):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted posting,
I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
People can go listen to the full interview of Podforce
one correct, Podforce one, Yes, Podforce one with Miranda Devine.
Go check it out where we get your podcast. Miranda
always great work, Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
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NBA player. Uh, and people are fired up about this. Clay,
(33:32):
I've got to say.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I could beat a big woman, and I'm not insulting
a big women by saying that he means tall. Yes,
not like Burley, not like obese, although I do think
fat women would have a tough time with dig is
the preferred uh, like a four or a five, A
power forward or a sinner. A big woman meaning tall,
(33:57):
I think that they can't handle the ball and I
can't shoot. I would beat Angel Reese one on one.
I offered one hundred thousand dollars and a head to
head matchup. That's more than she makes to play a
whole year in the WNBA, and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
She blocked me. Okay, on total we have we had
not in real life for half the dose of sanity.
Here from cc a podcast listener named Charles. He wanted
to weigh in on this idea.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Play it, play buck love the show, but Clay, you
cannot be angel.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I would love to see that though.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I think I honestly would love it. Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
I think if I trained, I would smoke her. My
eighth grade son, his basketball team they offered to put
me through. This would be a good documentary. They were
gonna put me through training. They're pretty good. I think
they got some future d one. What are your let's tall?
(34:50):
It so so my moves back in the day, I
like to go to the hoop. Yeah I was a shooter,
but I like to go to the hoop. I was
a big double pump lay up guy. That was my favorite.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
If you had an old man, white man game.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh, but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Because I would I would so First of all, I'm
forty six now, so my biggest concern about a one
on one matchup, and I'm just talking about half blowing
out your ACL probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained
ankle and not being able to finish the game. I
don't think Angel Reese makes about thirty five percent of
her shots, and I understand some of those are contested.
(35:32):
She's not shooting more than five feet away from the basket.
I don't think she could make contested shots against me. Now,
I am concerned for.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
The point guards or the shooting guards who can handle
the basketball. I think they could get to the basket
and make step back shots on me. I don't think
Angel Reese could score on me. That's way to get
to the old man hipcheck.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You know what I mean. You got to throw that
weight around a little bit. I mean Angel Reese is six'.
THREE i am six. FOOT i bet we probably jump
about the same. Height it's like she's gonna dunk on.
ME i THINK i.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Could box her. OUT i Think i'm a better outside
shooter Than Angel. Reese and IF i got video of
you popping the, dame IF i can see if you
actually can, shoot IF i got to play with the
girl sized, basketball which is. SMALLER i could pault that
thing Like I'm shaquille. O'Neal i would make a lot
of outside shots if it's like A papa. Shot remember
(36:27):
When Ted cruz Played Jimmy. Kimmel i'll tell YOU i
would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in one on. One you think
you could Beat Jimmy kimmel on one on?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
One, yes, okay, now all, right all, right, YEAH i
THINK i THINK i would Beat. Genn next question is
you Versus. TED i THINK i THINK i would Beat Ted.
Kruz did you hear That Senator cruz? Paiging Senator cruz
All right, second hour of Clay and Bucket's going right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The protests in Los Angeles seem to be contained for
right now, although elsewhere there are reports of efforts to
spread this protest.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Movement, including in Texas. I've seen San Antonio. I've got
a whole bunch of places that may have these protests
in the days ahead. So we will continue to follow
this very closely, and that's something that we want to
keep an eye on, because, yeah, it could flare up again.
(00:38):
But in the meantime, I think this round has clearly
been a victory for not just Donald Trump and the Republicans.
It's just a victory for the rule of law, a
victory for sanity. And this is why Gavin Newsom has
decided as a governor of California. Wall Street journal piece
today Clay naming him as the leader of the opposition
(01:02):
right that this is how he's trying to position himself
at least, And Gavenusom gave a speech last night which
I think was very clearly directed at that outcome of Oh,
Gavenusam is now the premier Democrat in America standing against Trump.
Problem is, I think the politics of this are far
more treacherous nationally. Not in California, sure, but nationally for
(01:24):
Gavin Newsom, and maybe he even realizes, but here he is.
You know that you knew this was coming, that the
emotional blackmail, the oh my gosh, these are the best
people that are being arrested.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
This is cut for Gavin Newsom addressed California, really addressed
the nation last night.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Trump is pulling a military dragnet all across Los Angeles,
well beyond his stated intent to just go after violent
and serious criminals. His agents are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers,
and seamstresses. That's just weakness, weakness masquerading as strength. Donald
(02:04):
Trump's government isn't protecting our communities. They're traumatizing our communities.
And that seems to be the entire point. If some
of us could be snatched off the streets without a
warrant based only on suspicion or skin color, then none
of us are safe.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I don't think anyone's going to deport Gavin Newsom. Okay,
this none of us are safe thing is absurd. I
also think Clay that it's very clear given what the
Biden administration. Did you can't that ten million number? They
can't run from that and everyone knows. Okay, So you guys,
when you're in charge, the Democrats are in charge the
laws all of a sudden, the same laws that bind
us in so many different ways that we may or
(02:43):
may not agree with, right depends on what you're talking about.
Those same laws include laws on immigration and on the
illegal presence that is unfortunately far too common all across
this country. When Gavin Newsom says this, often he goes,
they're arresting dishwashers and washer, et cetera. A lot of
people say, well, are they illegal? And if they are,
(03:03):
the answer is okay, then that's the law.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah. And to me, this is not even about ice
or the raids or anything else. I think Gavin Newsom,
who is a calculated guy, has made the decision this
is my way to launch my twenty twenty eight presidential campaign.
And so remember, by January of twenty twenty seven, there
will be a full on presidential campaign underway. Iowa, New
(03:31):
Hampshire January February twenty twenty eight. I know it sounds
like it's a long time away, but all of these
guys are going to be raising money in the next
eighteen months, so that when they announced right after the
mid terms in January of twenty twenty seven. Heck, remember,
Trump himself announced in November of twenty twenty two that
(03:52):
he was going to be running for reelection, and DeSantis
really took it on the chin because he didn't announce
it until May of twenty twenty three that he was running.
And they tried to hold out for the Florida legislative
session to be over, and Trump identified DeSantis as the
only contender and basically started throwing punches at him immediately,
(04:13):
and DeSantis waited a long time to respond, and by
the time he did, it was over. Now, I don't
know once the raid happened on mar A Lago in
August of twenty two, if I'm remembering the chronology correctly,
I don't know that anybody could have beaten Trump to
be the nominee. But I think that the clear decision
made by Newsom here is I'm going to run anti Trump,
(04:36):
which is positive in the Democrat primary. This is the
best way for me to distinguish myself. Here's the challenge.
Gavin Newsom thinks that Americans still look to California and
see it as an aspirational goal. The problem is most
people don't see it that way anymore. And you've talked
about this, and I grew up in the same era
(04:56):
that you did, Buck where California the nineties, Yeah, was
like a place that everybody wanted to be. California in
the early two thousands was a place that everybody wanted
to be. I think running as I'm going to make
America more like California is a disaster. And this is
one thing that I think Ron DeSantis was right about.
And if we had gotten DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty
(05:18):
twenty four, I think that DeSantis would have won comfortably.
And if we get DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty twenty eight,
I think that Ron DeSantis would would win comfortably. America
doesn't want itself to look like California, and I think
that Gavin Newsom is living a generation behind in the
way that he believes America sees his state. That's to
(05:39):
me what stands out here.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I also think that they have done a very poor
job of opposing Trump in a way that would bring
over people who don't already hate Trump. Right, if you're
trying to win over anybody who hasn't been anti Trump
all along, they're all the stuff that they're saying about this,
(06:03):
I think is creating a bigger problem for them in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Here's here's an example.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Cuomo, who maybe the next governor of New York City.
This is cut twenty nine. This is now going over
to New York. I'm saying to say, governor, mayor, mayor
of New York City, former governor of New York, mayor
of New York City. Although this other guy we'll talk
to our New York experts here later on about this,
the Democrat primer. But here is the former governor of
New York saying something that I think you all need
(06:30):
to hear. This goes into the diversity is our Strength
situation play twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We are the capital of diversity.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
One and eighty languages spoken in our school system.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Eighty different languages, people from all across the world.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That makes us stronger, not weaker.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
That is actually not a good thing play. It does
not make think about this. I understand people say, oh,
but buck people from the world and it's so amazing.
English as a second language instruction is a huge problem
in a lot of public schools, an enormous strain on resources.
And there are the kids who speak English are having
a tough enough time getting to proficiency. You're bringing kids
(07:16):
from all over the world who come from non English
I'm talking about. I'm not talking about parents who show
up who speak English. I'm talking with people whose parents
speak very little, if any, English, are on public assistance
of some kind, which we know they can get in
New York, we know they can get in California.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Now they're in the school system. And now you're trying.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
To teach them the skills and particularly you know, the
the language skills necessary to operate at fifth grade, eighth grade,
second grade.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
High school, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Enormously slows down the rest of the class, enormously obstructs
and costs more in learning.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But this is the thing, Oh one hundred and any
languages are spoken.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
One thing that I want the trumpet. Maybe you can
bring us up tomorrow. English is the national language. English
as the national language, full stop. And I live in
South Florida. I gotta tell you, I love my South Florida.
But we need more English as the national language down
there too. This is something that unites us on how
can you understand the law, truly understand the law in
this country if you don't speak.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
English, you can't. And I mean I would just go
back to the biblical story of the Tower of Babel.
I mean, the goal of building a great building in
the Bible was destroyed by the number of languages that
suddenly everybody had to speak. And this is this is
why baanal commentary like diversity is our strength is actually
(08:39):
not true, right, And what I mean by that is
diversity of thought is a strength. But in order to
communicate that diversity of thought, you have to be able
to speak a common language. So in order to have
diversity as a strength, there has to be an agreement
on its baseline foundational levels that are allow the communication
(09:01):
to take place. And I don't think it's a bad
thing to have kids learning English. I think the problem
that you're speaking of, Buck is there are a lot
of people who come to America and aren't bothering to
learn English. They aren't trying to assimilate in some way
to speak with the larger community around them. And one
(09:21):
hundred and eighty different languages. How in the world can
a public school accommodate that kind of diversity of language
when it comes to being able to instruct everybody. And so, look,
I understand what Mayor Cuomo is trying to say. By
the way, he's running for president in twenty twenty eight
(09:44):
by winning.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, but New York City last year had, by their
own assessments, fifty percent proficiency at grade level in reading
and math.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So half of New York City public school kids to
be not proficient based on these public school standards means
you are way below where you need to be. This
is not that's remember, proficiency is not I'm getting an A.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Proficiency means you can operate at that level generally speaking,
So to be non proficient. And so in that situation,
you grow up, you're a you're a kid, you're a
Latino American kid, you're a Black American kid in poor
parts of New York City, and you're you know, you
want more attention, you want more resources, you want a
better shot. And then you've got the illegal migrants who
(10:31):
are showing up one hundred and fifty thousand of them
in one year in New York. I think was that
it was the height of it and then they're all
going into the school system. Of course that's going to
slow things down. Of course that's going to make the
budgets of the school system more strained than they already are.
You know, they get a lot of money. But that's
a whole other conversation. And it's just this is basic
(10:52):
common sense. What other country Clay is prancing around and
talking about how great it is or what are their politicians?
Maybe some place in Europe that are the same problems
we do. But you don't have this anywhere else in
the world where they say, you know what, we want
as many people as possible to show up here who
don't speak the language and know nothing about this place.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Let's get that going on. Well, I think the challenge
too is you said that they're saying fifty percent of
New York City kids are proficient and reading in math.
One of the big problems we have in America today
is that we continue to define standards of proficiency down.
So it's not only that let's say fifty percent of
kids are proficient, it's that proficiency in twenty twenty four
(11:34):
and twenty twenty five is quite a lot different than
proficiency in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty and by
the way, that's actually the way they shared that statistic.
A third of New York City fourth graders last year
we're proficient in math, one third proficient, two thirds not
proficient at the fourth grade level. And once you get
behind at those, look we can I don't want to
(11:55):
make this just an education discussion, but the point here
is people recognize there are very This is why the
bussing people to Democrats strongholds. Okay, fine, you want to
play this game, go to New York, go to Chicago.
Let those cities deal with it. This is what Governor
Abbott did in Texas. Ron de Santis did some of
this as well in Florida, and it was fine, you
(12:16):
take these illegals. Yes, they are very much a drain
on public resources, and there are people that need those
resources who are saying, what's going on here? Why are
we devoting this to people who aren't even supposed to
be in the country in the first place, no doubt.
And again I think the under sort of the foundational
(12:36):
story that's going on here is you're already starting to
see aggressive jockeying to win the Democrat primary. Prepare yourselves.
If Andrew Cuomo wins the mayorship of New York City,
and I think he will, He's going to run for
president in twenty twenty eight. This is his redemption arc.
He can say the people of New York forced him
out as governor. He's already saying he shouldn't have left,
(12:59):
that he did naturally sexually harass anybody. He's gonna say
that's in the past. I've done a great job as mayor.
I'm just telling you what his argument's gonna be. And
Gavin Newsom is coming against Trump because he's gonna run.
They're all setting up for that primary, and you're gonna
have New York top official Cathy Hokals out. You know,
Chuck Schumer's not running. Maybe AOC will vote for me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I will no longer grab you around the waist or
kiss you strangely on the side of the face.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
That is Andrew Cuomo on the show right now. Let
me also point this out, Buck AOC endorsed Andrew Cuomo's
top arrival.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
They want to talk about a guy who keeps who
holds grudges. Cuomo famously to a nasty infighter in politics
who holds a grudge for it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But don't mistake that's not because she cares who the
mayor of New York City is. That's because she wants
to cut Andrew Cuomo's legs out from underneath him, because
if he doesn't get elected mayor, she's the forefront New
York national candidate in twenty twenty eight. So sometimes you
have to look at not just the text, but the
(14:09):
subtext of what's going on. And I think you're already
seeing the political jockeying for who is going to run
in twenty eight. And by the way, you know what
Kevin Newsom will say. He'll say Trump is the worst
human who's ever existed in the Democrat primary. If he
were the nominee, you know what he tried to do.
He'd tried to say. You know, Trump actually got a
(14:29):
lot right when he ran for president in twenty twenty eight.
I had a good relationship with him. That's the pivot
that you would immediately see. Sprint to the left, become
the Democrat you get elected anti Trump, sprint back to
the center. Trump had good ideas, but I can implement
some of them to appeal to moderate voters. He wasn't
(14:49):
actually the antichrist he wasn't actually Hitler, but first you
have to say he's the Antichrist and he's Hitler. It's
so predictable, But I think it's important to not just
pay attention to what's being said, look behind what's being
said here. Look, we don't talk about it all the
time because it's not an easy conversation to have, uh.
But the will and trust universe is incredibly important if
(15:10):
you don't want to burden your family members when your
life passes. You know so many times out there you
focus on trying to make the life easier for your kids,
for your grandkids. And you're doing that because you're working
all the time. You're doing that because you are trying
to pay off that mortgage, You're trying to set up
the college funds. You're trying to do everything you can
(15:30):
to help your kids and grandkids. But are you taking
care of tying up all the loose ends so your
kids and your grandkids don't end up fighting after you pass.
The best thing you can do is have a very
defined will a trust document that lays out for the
people who you are caring about the most in your
life so they don't end up fighting after you're gone,
(15:52):
so that you are continuing to think about them even
while you are alive today. And a lot of people
just don't do that. You work all those hours, you
do everything you can to help take care of your family,
and then something unexpected passes and they have no idea
what you would want and they end up fighting over
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We'll talk to Miranda Devine here coming up shortly about
her sit down with President Trump and looking forward to
diving into all of that with her. Always a fun
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Speaker 3 (19:06):
We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fairnesas all. We got Carol Markowitz too. I was going
to give you the title of our favorite person at
the New York Post, but we really like Carol Markowitz too,
So I don't want to offend anybody out there. Miranda,
you just had to sit down with President Trump in
the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about the internet now,
(19:28):
and there are many different things. I know that he
told you what stood out to you the most about
the interview that you had with President Trump from a
news perspective.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carole is great. She's a
maid of mine, so I'm glad you like us both. Look,
don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know
sometimes like when we talked about Camp, David couldn't really
he said, I can't really talk about it. Off did
say that they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran
(20:01):
and Russia. He gave you know, a lot of insights
into his conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon.
He's sort of open to reconciliation, but you know, not
right now.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He's too busy.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
And also some of his childhood experiences you know his
father bundled them off to military school at thirteen because
he was so rambunctious, and his father wasn't terribly thrilled
when they got back some aptitude test scores for.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
We might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we've popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one and it is underway right now, and I
do think it speaks to a pod Force one. Sorry
(21:02):
is the name of her podcast. She's back with us
right now. Miranda, you popped out right there. You were
talking about Donald Trump talking about his dad shipping him
off to military school, and that's where we lotched you.
What did he talk about there?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunciously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy, and his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(21:38):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed Riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
(21:59):
it was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, yes, we had played the audio already. Oh yeah,
and the memes are rolling in because I have been
attacking men who play.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Has been attacking male flute players. You leave the ladies
out of this, but male flute players, he decides, Miranda,
there's there's.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Some questions, just Clay's asking questions.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
If you have a choice to play any instrument in
the world, and you picked the flute, you have chosen
very poorly, and I think that you cannot be trusted
for anything serious. Now. Trump said he might have had
a great flute playing future, but instead he gave that
up and became a multi billionaire developer. I give him
credit for abandoning the flute.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And President, well, he said he didn't like it, so
his mother had sensed all these instructors to the house
to get him taught to play the flute, but he
did not want to play the flute, so that didn't
last for very long. And I mean, it's just amusing.
Of all the instruments, I can't think one that's less
appropriate to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
their play in the was it the James Madison Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image among
the among the orchestral instrument and would wind community. So
there's a little bit of a loss here for us, Miranda,
because I think that Trump could have you know, he
could have made flutes great again, and instead he decided
to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
How how is it?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, this is one of these things where Trump
talks I think to enough people, and you know, we
hear how he feels on a lot of these policy
things enough that we're pretty up to date, pretty in tune,
if you will, with what his thinking is on a
lot of things. But in terms of his poise, the
sense that this time around he learned a lot the
(23:46):
first time. I mean, just take us into his mindset
a little bit from sitting down with him, and and
and what you felt like you were gathering from this
guy who still has the weight of the world on
his shoulders but always seems calm, cool and collected that
when he's a little angry.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But you know, for the most part, yeah, he is.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And it's that confidence and sort of New York swagger
that he's just had. He's really as far as back
as he can remember. He says, it's just he does.
You know, I said, you sort of act against the
grain quite often. And he says, well, you know, I've
got the hat that says Trump was always right, But
he says, I just it's I don't feel.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I'm a rebel.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I just have an innate sense of what's the right
thing to do, and I do it, and I don't
really care what other people say. And he said, for instance,
he pointed to the la riots, and you know, last
time he sort of regretted in twenty twenty that he
wasn't as forceful. But he said, at the time, well,
I just thought, really I would leave it to the
(24:45):
governors to make those decisions. But obviously the Blue states,
the blue governors did not do that. Whether it was
because they thought that they, you know, it would be
a great way of beating Donald Trump at the polls
later that year, which I guess worked. But this time round,
he said, this is a much more consequential presidency. He
(25:06):
feels it because, well, in part, he said, because he's got.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Did we lose her again? I think we might have
lost it again. I'm back.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Yeah, I'm very sorry about it. My stupid phone. And yeah,
he just feels like, you've got a better team more
more like he said that I had some stars last time,
but I also had some losers, And.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yes, category did.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And it's important that he recognized that, I think, Miranda.
And one of the challenges early on was Trump was
this political phenomen talking about term one, you know, first
first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But a lot of
us who were who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen,
who were excited about it, some of the people that
were in charge, whether it was the mooch or some
of the others that got into that administration, we all
(25:53):
knew right away, well, this.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Is not a good you know, this is not a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And Trump realized that and this time around, I look
at the team that he picked, and I think it's
not just that we think it's good. The results, the speed,
the efficiency with which they're moving on the agenda is
the you know, at this stage at least they still
have a lot to do. But that is the result
of somebody, or those are the actions of somebody who
I think clearly learned a lot on the job the
(26:17):
first time around and came ready to play day one
this time.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Yes, and he said that, he in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country, but he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fix the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage and he's confident
(26:44):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(27:05):
sort of ripoffed to Elon and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's he's disappointed about Iran. He said he
really thought they were going to get the deal done,
but just the last few days he's realized. He said,
they've changed. And I asked, what do you mean they've changed?
(27:27):
And he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he
just said he felt that they wanted to do a
deal before. Now he's not so sure. But either way,
he said, they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not.
That's not happening, and you know, it can either happen
the nice way or he really doesn't want people to die,
(27:47):
but they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Where does this go in your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent
(28:13):
genius fifty percent boy kid, and I do think there's
some truth to that as well. How would you assess
where this goes from here.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when they was still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success and I guess he's brilliance, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(28:44):
almost like you look at an insect under the glass.
You know, it's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donal Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, look, I don't bear any
(29:06):
ill will towards him. But I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, Elon may have tried to reach
out a couple of times or you know, I don't
know a bit, not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else and we and I
(29:27):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or to a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
There are lines, and.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
He definitely crossed some lines that are that I don't
think we'll be able to be undone. But I also
think that they'll collaborate as needed in the future, but
from a more shall we say, professional distance and less
of almost like adopted sun status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he has.
And you know, it was a real romance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the where Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back.
(30:33):
And maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(30:54):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted posting,
I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
People can go listen to the full interview of Podforce
one correct, Podforce one, Yes, Podforce one with Miranda Devine.
Go check it out where we get your podcast. Miranda
always great work, Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Thank you so much for having me.
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I've got to say.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I could beat a big woman, and I'm not insulting
a big women by saying that he means tall. Yes,
not like Burley, not like obese, although I do think
fat women would have a tough time with dig is
the preferred uh, like a four or a five, A
power forward or a sinner. A big woman meaning tall,
(33:57):
I think that they can't handle the ball and I
can't shoot. I would beat Angel Reese one on one.
I offered one hundred thousand dollars and a head to
head matchup. That's more than she makes to play a
whole year in the WNBA, and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
She blocked me. Okay, on total we have we had
not in real life for half the dose of sanity.
Here from cc a podcast listener named Charles. He wanted
to weigh in on this idea.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Play it, play buck love the show, but Clay, you
cannot be angel.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I would love to see that though.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I think I honestly would love it. Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
I think if I trained, I would smoke her. My
eighth grade son, his basketball team they offered to put
me through. This would be a good documentary. They were
gonna put me through training. They're pretty good. I think
they got some future d one. What are your let's tall?
(34:50):
It so so my moves back in the day, I
like to go to the hoop. Yeah I was a shooter,
but I like to go to the hoop. I was
a big double pump lay up guy. That was my favorite.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
If you had an old man, white man game.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh, but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Because I would I would so First of all, I'm
forty six now, so my biggest concern about a one
on one matchup, and I'm just talking about half blowing
out your ACL probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained
ankle and not being able to finish the game. I
don't think Angel Reese makes about thirty five percent of
her shots, and I understand some of those are contested.
(35:32):
She's not shooting more than five feet away from the basket.
I don't think she could make contested shots against me. Now,
I am concerned for.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
The point guards or the shooting guards who can handle
the basketball. I think they could get to the basket
and make step back shots on me. I don't think
Angel Reese could score on me. That's way to get
to the old man hipcheck.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You know what I mean. You got to throw that
weight around a little bit. I mean Angel Reese is six'.
THREE i am six. FOOT i bet we probably jump
about the same. Height it's like she's gonna dunk on.
ME i THINK i.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Could box her. OUT i Think i'm a better outside
shooter Than Angel. Reese and IF i got video of
you popping the, dame IF i can see if you
actually can, shoot IF i got to play with the
girl sized, basketball which is. SMALLER i could pault that
thing Like I'm shaquille. O'Neal i would make a lot
of outside shots if it's like A papa. Shot remember
(36:27):
When Ted cruz Played Jimmy. Kimmel i'll tell YOU i
would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in one on. One you think
you could Beat Jimmy kimmel on one on?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
One, yes, okay, now all, right all, right, YEAH i
THINK i THINK i would Beat. Genn next question is
you Versus. TED i THINK i THINK i would Beat Ted.
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