May 7, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts dive into a variety of engaging topics. The hour kicks off with an insightful discussion featuring Raymond Arroyo from Fox News, who joins live from Rome to provide an in-depth look at the ongoing conclave to select the next Pope. Arroyo explains the mysterious and ancient process of the conclave, the historical significance of the rituals, and the potential candidates for the papacy, including Cardinals Tagle, Parolin, and Sarah. He also touches on the internal dynamics and differing visions within the Catholic Church, highlighting the tension between progressive and traditional factions.
The conversation then shifts to a lighter note as the hosts humorously discuss the odds and betting markets surrounding the selection of the next Pope, despite the excommunication risks for Catholics who engage in such betting. This segment adds a playful twist to the otherwise serious topic of the papal election.
Following the Vatican discussion, the hosts address the real ID requirement, which has sparked significant public interest and debate. They share personal anecdotes and listener feedback about the challenges and frustrations associated with obtaining a real ID, emphasizing the potential for widespread confusion and inconvenience as the enforcement date approaches.
Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck also engage with their audience through VIP emails and calls, discussing various cities that have seen significant growth and improvement over the past decades. They highlight cities like Jacksonville, Fort Wayne, and Jupiter, reflecting on their development and appeal.
The hour concludes with a brief mention of political updates, including former President Trump's comments on Senator Thom Tillis's opposition to Ed Martin's nomination as US Attorney for the District of Columbia. Trump praises Martin's efforts in reducing crime in Washington, D.C., and expresses disappointment over Tillis's stance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we are joined by Raymond Arroyo of Fox News,
and he comes to us from Rome itself, where we
know the next pope is being chosen by the conclave. Raymond,
great to have you back on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh. Always enjoyed being with you guys. Thanks for having me.
It's appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
With traffic here, oh yeah, well, well we're sorry to
take you away from some delicious nyuki and I'm sure
a cappuccino with perfect froth. But yeah, what is going
what is going on here with the whole process to
choose the next pope, the leader of the Catholic flock.
Take take us into everything you're finding out, everything that's
(00:47):
going on, because a lot of people, I'm just gonna
say this, Raymond, even some of the Catholics listening, don't
know that much about the process itself and what's going
on here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, it's a mysterious process and that's part of the fun.
And look for non Catholics, I said, this is this morning, dary.
I love coverage at Fox. This is the root of Christianity.
Whether you're a Lutheran, Episcopalian, evangelical or Catholic. The fact is,
if you believe in Jesus Christ, the mass that these
cardinals held today was right over the tomb of Saint Peter,
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which in the fifties they dug up the basement of
Saint Peter's and found the first of all, there's another
church down there. There's a third century Constantine basilica beneath it,
and then beneath that is a graveyard like an above
ground cemetery like we have in New Orleans. And they
found the bones of Saint Peter there. So it is
upon the bones of Saint Peter where the mass was
held today to choose the successor of Saint Peter two
(01:40):
thousand plus years later. I mean, it's a kind of
incredible thing when you step back and look at it.
So one hundred and thirty three men from something like
eighty different countries went into this conclave just this afternoon
here in Rome, a few hours ago. And this is
an ancient tradition. And the beautiful thing about Christianity is
through the ages, through the millennia, all these little rituals
(02:03):
are picked up in traditions, practices, and devotions, and the
Catholic Church has a wonderful way of kind of preserving
them and pushing them into the future. The conclave practice.
This all started because in about twelve seventy four they
couldn't elect a pope. It took the conclave was dragging
on for three years. They couldn't make a decision. So
(02:23):
I think it was po Gregory the tenth decided to
lock the cardinals in a private place with no contact
with the outside world, Deprive them all of that nolchi
and cappuccino you mentioned earlier, no food for them, and
kind of made them uncomfortable so they would come to
a decision, and they did so that became the new
rule of electing a pope. It went into seclusion. It
(02:45):
was kind of like a retreat. It wasn't It was spartan,
and it kind of forced them to focus on the
thing at hand. That's what we're watching now. One hundred
and thirty three cardinals are going to choose one of
their own, but it could be any baptized Catholic male
to be the pope. And they're in the Sistine Chapel now.
In fact, we're expecting smoke any minute now. My guess
(03:05):
is first ballot is usually black, meaning you don't have
a pope white smoke. You probably won't see until Friday
at the earliest of I think it could drag on longer.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's the question I was going to ask you, Raymon,
and thank you for joining us from the Vatican City.
As the pope is being selected, what is the expectation
you said Friday you think will know? How does the
vote process take place? I think they're doing one. What
is it about seven pm or eight pm? I guess
in Rome? Right now they're doing one the vote. They're
(03:40):
doing one this afternoon, and then how will it work?
There's a vote every morning or multiple votes every morning
and every afternoon going forward. What should we expect assuming
they don't pick one now?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, they only do one vote. On the first day
of conclave. They went in, they prayed, they all did
their odes, they sat down, got to kind of know
the process. Took a vote around four o'clock. Counting it.
They have six people that count the vote claim, which
is unbelievable. They three of them scrutinize it, make sure
the vote's authentic, nobody forged the signature or drop too
many votes in. Then the other guys double check it
(04:11):
and then it's red. It's read aloud, so you can
imagine how long that takes with one hundred and thirty
three people. But at seven seven point thirty they start
lighting up the stoves. They take those ballots to burn them,
and that's where the black or the white smoke comes tomorrow.
In the days that succeed, there'll be two votes in
the morning, two votes in the evening in the afternoon,
so you'll get two smoke stacks going up to indicate
(04:34):
whether or not they've come to a decision. But when
you've got one hundred and thirty three guys who don't
know each other. You see, cardinals used to meet every year,
the College of Cardinals would meet. Pope Francis ten years
ago had a conference on the family where he wanted
to do some wacky things and the cardinals started talking
back to him. He didn't like that, so he canceled
the annual meeting of a college of cardinals. They haven't
(04:56):
met in ten years, and he appointed one hundred and
eight of the one hundred and thirty three men in
this conclave, So they literally don't know each other, haven't
met each other, and they don't know each other's concerns.
So the last week or so twelve days has been
about getting to know each other and figuring out what
they believe is the next step to the church. And
it's a battle someone to continue the Francis line, which
(05:19):
is more progressive, you know, focused on kind of loosening
the bounds of the doctrine, dispensing with the things of
the past. And then you have the other block that
once tradition or return to eternal values, back to basics,
and get rid of some of the chaos and the
lack of clarity we've seen over the last twelve years.
And we'll see who comes out the winner here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The fact Well, that's Work's where I wanted to go
next with you. Raymore speaking of Raymond and Royal from
Fox News. He is in Rome right now covering the
conclave very closely, and we're going to be finding out
about a new pope here. You said, what by Friday,
probably so couple couple of more days.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, If it goes to Saturday, we're in trouble because
that's a day of pause in the in the in
the constitution. If you do three day days of voting,
you don't have a pope they have to pause for
a day and pray and meditate, which means voting would
resume on Sunday. I hope that's not the case, because
I'm leaving on Sunday. I watch them.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, I was gonna say, I mean, it could be
you know, you could be on the India Pakistan border
or something right now, right, I mean, you know tough,
it's not such tough duty. You know you're gonna be
on a vespa. You're going to be seeing the site.
It would be very nice. But tell me tell me this.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Feel aroundemy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Some of the top options that are being discussed. I
hear a lot about a cardinal Sarah. Tell me some
of the top contenders right now, And you know you
got into this a little bit, but what some of
the different directions would be based upon who some of
those top candidates are for the church.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, you know, I have a podcast and we've been
doing this every day daily reports. It's a Royal Grande
show on YouTube, and I have this conclave crew and
it's a priest and a historian and three of us
kind of go through all the gossip we heard that
day and the candidates. So that's at a Royal Grande
Sho on YouTube and some of who the people we discussed.
There's a Cardinal tag Lay from the Philippines. He's kind
(07:06):
of an Asian Pope Francis happier, more buoyant, but he's
the same line. He believes that Vatican two, the more
modern approach, is the way to go, and that we
should loosen some of these moral bonds on whether it
be marriage or the LGBT community. He'd liked to see
a more open approach. You have a Cardinal Paroline. Now.
(07:29):
This guy is the Secretary of State at the Vatican.
He's the guy who drafted the China Deal, the hidden
China Vatican Deal, which literally handed faithful Catholics and not
only Catholics Bible churches, but tons of people over faithful
people to the Chicoms. They rounded them up, They've shut
down churches the Vatican. Why they got into this deal,
(07:50):
no one can figure. They also allowed the Chinese to
choose their bishops, two of which they appointed after the
pope died. Okay, So Perline is a guy with a
lot of clouds over his record that will probably damn
his candidacy. He's also involved in a lot of financial
chicanery here, a four hundred million dollar land deal that
(08:11):
went belly up in London. So he will probably not
make it out of the gate. But he's the number
one liberal candidate, if you will, the progressive candidate to
continue Francis's legacy. On the other side, Cardinal Robert Sarah,
who you mentioned, a priest from Nigeria, an incredible man
in both of his parents were converts. An African cardinal
(08:34):
who headed up the liturgy office at the Holy See
and got into problems with Pope Francis over the old
Latin Mass, which Francis outlawed. Cardinal Robert Sarah did not
want that to happen, so Francis booted him out. He's
a huge favorite of the more traditional cardinals. I think though,
(08:55):
at the end of the day, you need somebody who
can both reform this bureaucracy, clean up the financial problems
the churches broke here that's the reality, and revived the
faith in a winning way. I keep looking at a
man I know, I've known him for twenty five years.
Cardinal Pierre Baptista Pizza Bala. Try saying that's four times fast.
Pizzabala is the Jerusalem patriarch. He's a Franciscan, he's lived
(09:20):
in the Holy Land for thirty five years, a sturdy
man from the farming country in northern Italy, but a
prayerful man who believes the Word of God should be
the center of our lives. And he's cleaned up all
the financial problems there and navigated this landmine of Israel
and the Palestinians. And when, in fact, when Hamas took
(09:42):
those hostages, he offered his life in exchange for the hostages.
That will I think tip the balance for him if
they need a compromise candidate. It's kind of like Trump
getting shot in Butler that was the end of the campaign.
I feel that way about Pizzabala as well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All Right, so this is maybe going to day me
to eternal flames here, but you can you can bet
on who the next pope is going to be. And Raymond,
I don't know if you've paid attention to this, but
here are you just mentioned?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's excommunicable. We can't do it, but that others can't.
But we can't. It's literally an ex communical crime. If
you bet on the on the papacy. Do you know that?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Really, Clay was trying to get me excommunicated Raymond.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He wanted me to be a heathen. All right, well then,
you guys, I'm here to save you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm not Catholic, so I can't be excommunicated here. So
I'm going to tell you the favorites according to the
gambling market. There's still time, There's still time. Okay, Well,
then I might be ending that forever. Now the Southern
Baptist can be happy because I'm shutting the door on
being Catholic. Here are the four favorites according to polymarket
right now, Pietro Perilyn and I'm probably going to mispronounce
(10:56):
the names, but you said you thought he was just
a Yeah, you hit three of these names. That's that's
what I was impressed by. It says that you think
he's got too many scandals in his background. Tagol Or
Tagola nineteen point yep, Tagla. You know you mentioned Pizza Bella.
(11:16):
Who was the individual you were just talking about. He's
the fourth most likely, the only one you didn't mention.
I'm going to put you on the spot here, Mateo,
Zoopi or Zuppy. What do you know about him? If anything,
he's third most likely.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Too Mateo Zuppie is an Italian cardinal very much in
line with the Pope Francis vision of things. He's a liberal,
he's been very open to the LGBT community. Look, Clay,
when you have young people, we just saw this at
Easter and Buck will back me up on this. Young
people are flooding into the Catholic Church, not only cathol Church,
other Communists too, but particularly the Catholic Church. And it's
(11:52):
young men because they've they've found their way into the
faith through the Internet and reading, and they're looking for
something eternal, ancient, the truth of Christ and the Gospel.
I don't think you're going to get that from a
guy like Zoopie or Tagle, who basically pushing a line
that we just have to be more like the world
and less like the apostles. You wont an apostle. So
(12:14):
my guess is if I were a betting man, and
I'm not because I don't want to get excommunicated, I
would put my money on somebody like Pizza Bala because
I think both the right and the left candidates are
going to go down and they're going to need a compromise,
and that guy's story is so compelling. I think it
might just win the day.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Outstanding stuff. Raymond for coming right to us from the
Vatican City. If there are immediate results or something like that,
don't hesitate to call us back in if you were
there in the Vatican City to report live.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
We'd love to have you on next couple of days
if that happens.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, call me anytime. I'm here. I'll be smokestack watching
until I hope Friday and then we can all go home.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Excellent, excellent was imposter for us and Clay. You know,
my dad is Anglican, so I'm actually split by parentage,
so he's an Anglican like Church of England type and
or you know, Episcopalian saying I think it's the same thing.
Isn't that basically And I'm gonna probably get religious people
off now. Isn't that basically just when Henry the Eighth
(13:19):
decided that he wanted to get married and they split
the Church of England from the Catholic faith. Isn't that
basically the existence of that faith? Yes, that is the history.
That is the history of the Church of England. Is
Henry the Eighth not a great guy, wanted to get
remarried again, definitely be headed a wife, not a good dude.
So so that is the founding history of the Church
(13:39):
of England.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's what I thought just.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Wanted to make which which now that that low i Q.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Pretentious weirdo. What's his name?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
King Charles is the head of He's the head of
the Church of England. Oh I know, Yeah, the Church
of England is always headed by the by the king
because the king wanted to marry a new woman and
decided that he needed to leave the Catholic Faith. That's right, right,
I've got the religious background there, I think, so all
the angry episcopealions but honestly, you're not gonna be angry
about this. You could send your ire at Clay for
(14:12):
just talking about the historical record. But that was cool
that Raymond Royo right from the Vatican City as we
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and you found out that I've now been excommunicated from
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(14:35):
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Would not.
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Support ed Martin, who is the interim US Attorney in DC,
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I think the important thing there is the what he
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credit because she seems to have gotten at least a
(24:09):
little bit saying about what needs to happen to make
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tell us shit, come on this program. I just I
want to hear from him why he feels that Ed Martin,
who already has the job, and as Trump just laid out,
appears to be doing a good job in that role.
(24:31):
Why does he think that Ed Martin shouldn't get the job.
I just buck, there's no way, there's no way. He
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(24:53):
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Did the murder get off? When you were defending him?
He was already convicted and I think he's still in prison.
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(25:41):
the US Virgin Islands at that time twenty years ago.
And that didn't mean that I agreed with the defendants
or that I was in favor of no punishment, but
I had an obligation as an attorney to defend them
to the best of my ability. So I think the
idea of oh, well, he's defended this person and therefore
he can't have a job, is really bad precedent to set.
(26:03):
That's also showing you just how far the overreach went
from the Democrats, the left, the anti Trump forces. You
can go ask anyone at one of the big law
firms out there, you know, the big law firms. They
will tell you they banned their people from doing any
(26:23):
work related to Trump election stuff J six and it
was career destroying for people if they tried to go
and represent people involved in this. So there was a
whole movement within legal industry to prevent Trump and his
people and his supporters from getting a robust and talented defense.
(26:48):
Just to show everybody, you know, ACLU didn't have any
problems with that. And to your point, Tom Tillis voted
for Merrick Garland. I think if you voted for Merrick
Garland to be Biden's attorney general, how in the world
are you opposing anything that Trump puts forward. I just
think that is a politically untenable and indefensible position, but
(27:10):
Phillis has that opportunity to come forward. A lot of
people also weighing in Buck on the real ID requirement
which is starting to play itself out. And I think
this is super interesting. I don't have a real ID,
and maybe we can have this conversation tomorrow as it
(27:32):
becomes more of a reality. But Brian and Wooster, Mass
is upset with me. Ninety four to nine WTAG News
Radio five eighty Brian CC weighing in.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I clam Buck Brian from Worcester, Mass. The real ID
story is ridiculous. They have been telling you that you've
had to get a real ID for years. I mean
literally years. I got mine, I mean five years ago.
I mean the ridiculous lot of time they've they've given
people to get this. So if people are still flipping
(28:03):
out over this, now that's a them problem.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I disagree because I live in the state of Tennessee.
I have had a Tennessee driver's license for thirty years.
Thirty years. I don't have a real ID. I did
TSA PreCheck, I have TSA pre check. I don't know
all this stuff that I had to I don't remember.
I feel like I had to basically give a blood test.
I think I had to send in X rays. I
(28:29):
think the federal government now thinks to my TSA PreCheck
knows every single thing about my medical history. Basically, I'm
kidding someone. I don't remember all the things that I
had to set in, but I have TSA PreCheck. How
in the world is that not more than real ID.
I just am telling you what's going to happen. People
are going to show up. People still don't know how
(28:51):
to go through X ray machines Post nine to eleven,
and it's been twenty five years. You think the real
ID is not going to be a huge major issue.
Only half the population even has a passport. Now I
have a passport, I guess I can travel with it,
but this is ridiculous. I don't see any benefit from this,
and I think it's going to be a total cluster.
(29:14):
I think a lot of our audience thinks this is
a you problem, Clay. I think I'm good. It's I
think they're good. I think they're not worried about this.
You know, I think some pop might have been busy
betting on sports and going out there having fun didn't
get their real ID in time. I've had an ID
for thirty years. I got TSA pre check done. I know,
I'm not I think there are tons of people out
(29:35):
there listening to me right now that do not have
a real ID because it isn't the default in their state.
And so you have a driver's license, you may even
have a passport, but and you may even have TSA
pre check like me. How in the world do I
need to get a special circle on my driver's license
in order to be able to fly when I have
TSA pre check and a passport. I think the federal
(29:59):
government has plenty of information from me about who I am.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm fired up with this. I don't think it makes this.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It goes in the clay file of of tell him
what to do and he won't do it. But this
time it's the TSA telling him, so it's a little different.
Trust me, I am not a fan of the TSA.
I do not believe by you bite your tongue. We
have a lot of T'D in Red States, in particular,
we have a lot of TSA people who listen to
(30:25):
this show. I know because they say hi to me
when I come. They say they look at my first name.
This probably happens to you too. They're confused for a second,
understandably because I look at my ID or whatever and
it doesn't say Buck, it says James, and with you
it's Richard. By the way, that, as we've said, the
Richard Travis and James Sexton Show sounds like something on
(30:46):
It sounds like something on NPR talking about like international
Music of the World or something. You know, it would
be very popular in the BBC. I think that we
would do well with the British Broadcasting A license with
that name. But I do know there are a lot
of TSA people with and they worked there. I don't
think that we're actually that much safer because of TSA.
(31:07):
A lot of times I go through and I think
that person, not you who listen, I love all of you,
that person at TSA does not seem like the person
that's going to stop a terrorist from blowing up a plane.
I don't know that we're that much safer with TSA,
And I still do not understand what the real ID
requirement is.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It doesn't make any sense to me, and people are like, well,
it's going to keep illegals from flying. No, it isn't
they fly without IDs. I'm going to confess something here.
I started to get a little fired up about this
in front of my wife. Was like, this real ID
thing is ridiculous. And then she says, you have a
floored ID. It is real ID, complying you're fine, and
then all of a sudden, I was like, yeah, as
(31:49):
soon as you found out that, by default you had
a real ID, you didn't care. I don't have a
real ID, and I think there are millions of people
out there that are like me that don't have a
real idea. People say, well, you could go get I
don't want to spend four days at the DMV. It
is impossible to get a DMV appointment right now to
be able to get a real ID in Tennessee. So
(32:09):
I am going to I didn't get the COVID shot.
I don't think I'm ever gonna get the real ID.
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be anti real ID and
I'm gonna be anti the COVID shot. And I guess
I'm gonna have to travel with my passport even though
they have my TSA pre check clearance. You can't tell
me that the federal government doesn't have enough of my
information to allow me to get on an airplane right now.
(32:30):
And have you ever shown up without an ID at all?
Because I have, they still let you on the plane.
You just have to go prove ID some other way.
I didn't have my driver's license. I had to go
to the Southwest gate. I had to show them like
eight credit cards or something, and then they let me
on the plane. So even the requirement of an ID,
if you happen to show up at the airport and
(32:52):
you are like me and sometimes do not have your
driver's license because it would be in a different pair
of pants, I can tell you that it isn't even
that necessary.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't know if any of you are as fired
enough about this as Clay. We'll have to see. I'm
fired up.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
But you know why, as we were to say, why
was your idea in different pair of pants? Because all
you young people started wearing tight pants and my wallet
wouldn't even fit in my pants anymore. My wife gets
me a new fancy pair of pants, can't even it's
not even made to fit a walit anymore. If you
notice this, you you probably never got into the skinny
This is a very This is a very unk discussion
we're having. Now, you saying that your wallet is too
(33:26):
big to fit in your tight cool pants. I am
telling you that I don't understand why all you young
men decided that you wanted to have the tightest pants
on the planet so that your genitals cannot move and
you look like ridiculous water. This is one argument that
not argument. But this is one point of contention I
(33:47):
have with my wife. Is I like pants. I like
pants that air rate, you know, that keep it all
for a little baggy little you know, a little loose,
little loose. My wife's I says, those pants are too big.
All the pants are too big on me. All my
pants somehow are too big on me. No matter what,
I can now find pants that aren't too big on me. Yeah, well,
let's just tee off here. My fourteen year old walked
(34:08):
through the house the other day, is in eighth grade.
It was like he was wearing daisy dukes. I don't
understand why all these young men. I was like, hey,
those are nice daisy dukes you're wearing. You know, go
look up Dukes of Hazzard nineteen eighty three. You look
just like daisy, like, why are you walking around like basically,
his whole thigh is hanging out. I don't understand how
this became to shrendy. I blame women because the boys
(34:30):
must be doing it because girls like it. People allowed
nineties era cargo shorts for men to be thrown under
the bus, and we will live to regret that. Okay,
a lot of pocket, a lot of pocket coverage with
the cargo shorts indestructible. They got a hole of them.
They just look cooler. My mentions are deluged with real
(34:51):
id reactions. But this is a friend of mine just
said she and her husband went to the DMV by
me two hour wait, no appointments available, and they don't
have them, and you get it mailed to you a
month later. This is Nashville right now. Hey, Florida, Florida's
really sympathetic to you Tennessee people on this one. We're
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In only twenty seconds left. I'm gonna take all of
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on this and we're gonna discuss it. All that and more.
We love you guys, appreciate all the feedback. Lots of
fun coming Thursday edition of Clay and Buck. We'll see
you all then,
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we are joined by Raymond Arroyo of Fox News,
and he comes to us from Rome itself, where we
know the next pope is being chosen by the conclave. Raymond,
great to have you back on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh. Always enjoyed being with you guys. Thanks for having me.
It's appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
With traffic here, oh yeah, well, well we're sorry to
take you away from some delicious nyuki and I'm sure
a cappuccino with perfect froth. But yeah, what is going
what is going on here with the whole process to
choose the next pope, the leader of the Catholic flock.
Take take us into everything you're finding out, everything that's
(00:47):
going on, because a lot of people, I'm just gonna
say this, Raymond, even some of the Catholics listening, don't
know that much about the process itself and what's going
on here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, it's a mysterious process and that's part of the fun.
And look for non Catholics, I said, this is this morning, dary.
I love coverage at Fox. This is the root of Christianity.
Whether you're a Lutheran, Episcopalian, evangelical or Catholic. The fact is,
if you believe in Jesus Christ, the mass that these
cardinals held today was right over the tomb of Saint Peter,
(01:17):
which in the fifties they dug up the basement of
Saint Peter's and found the first of all, there's another
church down there. There's a third century Constantine basilica beneath it,
and then beneath that is a graveyard like an above
ground cemetery like we have in New Orleans. And they
found the bones of Saint Peter there. So it is
upon the bones of Saint Peter where the mass was
held today to choose the successor of Saint Peter two
(01:40):
thousand plus years later. I mean, it's a kind of
incredible thing when you step back and look at it.
So one hundred and thirty three men from something like
eighty different countries went into this conclave just this afternoon
here in Rome, a few hours ago. And this is
an ancient tradition. And the beautiful thing about Christianity is
through the ages, through the millennia, all these little rituals
(02:03):
are picked up in traditions, practices, and devotions, and the
Catholic Church has a wonderful way of kind of preserving
them and pushing them into the future. The conclave practice.
This all started because in about twelve seventy four they
couldn't elect a pope. It took the conclave was dragging
on for three years. They couldn't make a decision. So
(02:23):
I think it was po Gregory the tenth decided to
lock the cardinals in a private place with no contact
with the outside world, Deprive them all of that nolchi
and cappuccino you mentioned earlier, no food for them, and
kind of made them uncomfortable so they would come to
a decision, and they did so that became the new
rule of electing a pope. It went into seclusion. It
(02:45):
was kind of like a retreat. It wasn't It was spartan,
and it kind of forced them to focus on the
thing at hand. That's what we're watching now. One hundred
and thirty three cardinals are going to choose one of
their own, but it could be any baptized Catholic male
to be the pope. And they're in the Sistine Chapel now.
In fact, we're expecting smoke any minute now. My guess
(03:05):
is first ballot is usually black, meaning you don't have
a pope white smoke. You probably won't see until Friday
at the earliest of I think it could drag on longer.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's the question I was going to ask you, Raymon,
and thank you for joining us from the Vatican City.
As the pope is being selected, what is the expectation
you said Friday you think will know? How does the
vote process take place? I think they're doing one. What
is it about seven pm or eight pm? I guess
in Rome? Right now they're doing one the vote. They're
(03:40):
doing one this afternoon, and then how will it work?
There's a vote every morning or multiple votes every morning
and every afternoon going forward. What should we expect assuming
they don't pick one now?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, they only do one vote. On the first day
of conclave. They went in, they prayed, they all did
their odes, they sat down, got to kind of know
the process. Took a vote around four o'clock. Counting it.
They have six people that count the vote claim, which
is unbelievable. They three of them scrutinize it, make sure
the vote's authentic, nobody forged the signature or drop too
many votes in. Then the other guys double check it
(04:11):
and then it's red. It's read aloud, so you can
imagine how long that takes with one hundred and thirty
three people. But at seven seven point thirty they start
lighting up the stoves. They take those ballots to burn them,
and that's where the black or the white smoke comes tomorrow.
In the days that succeed, there'll be two votes in
the morning, two votes in the evening in the afternoon,
so you'll get two smoke stacks going up to indicate
(04:34):
whether or not they've come to a decision. But when
you've got one hundred and thirty three guys who don't
know each other. You see, cardinals used to meet every year,
the College of Cardinals would meet. Pope Francis ten years
ago had a conference on the family where he wanted
to do some wacky things and the cardinals started talking
back to him. He didn't like that, so he canceled
the annual meeting of a college of cardinals. They haven't
(04:56):
met in ten years, and he appointed one hundred and
eight of the one hundred and thirty three men in
this conclave, So they literally don't know each other, haven't
met each other, and they don't know each other's concerns.
So the last week or so twelve days has been
about getting to know each other and figuring out what
they believe is the next step to the church. And
it's a battle someone to continue the Francis line, which
(05:19):
is more progressive, you know, focused on kind of loosening
the bounds of the doctrine, dispensing with the things of
the past. And then you have the other block that
once tradition or return to eternal values, back to basics,
and get rid of some of the chaos and the
lack of clarity we've seen over the last twelve years.
And we'll see who comes out the winner here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The fact Well, that's Work's where I wanted to go
next with you. Raymore speaking of Raymond and Royal from
Fox News. He is in Rome right now covering the
conclave very closely, and we're going to be finding out
about a new pope here. You said, what by Friday,
probably so couple couple of more days.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, If it goes to Saturday, we're in trouble because
that's a day of pause in the in the in
the constitution. If you do three day days of voting,
you don't have a pope they have to pause for
a day and pray and meditate, which means voting would
resume on Sunday. I hope that's not the case, because
I'm leaving on Sunday. I watch them.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, I was gonna say, I mean, it could be
you know, you could be on the India Pakistan border
or something right now, right, I mean, you know tough,
it's not such tough duty. You know you're gonna be
on a vespa. You're going to be seeing the site.
It would be very nice. But tell me tell me this.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Feel aroundemy.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Some of the top options that are being discussed. I
hear a lot about a cardinal Sarah. Tell me some
of the top contenders right now, And you know you
got into this a little bit, but what some of
the different directions would be based upon who some of
those top candidates are for the church.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, you know, I have a podcast and we've been
doing this every day daily reports. It's a Royal Grande
show on YouTube, and I have this conclave crew and
it's a priest and a historian and three of us
kind of go through all the gossip we heard that
day and the candidates. So that's at a Royal Grande
Sho on YouTube and some of who the people we discussed.
There's a Cardinal tag Lay from the Philippines. He's kind
(07:06):
of an Asian Pope Francis happier, more buoyant, but he's
the same line. He believes that Vatican two, the more
modern approach, is the way to go, and that we
should loosen some of these moral bonds on whether it
be marriage or the LGBT community. He'd liked to see
a more open approach. You have a Cardinal Paroline. Now.
(07:29):
This guy is the Secretary of State at the Vatican.
He's the guy who drafted the China Deal, the hidden
China Vatican Deal, which literally handed faithful Catholics and not
only Catholics Bible churches, but tons of people over faithful
people to the Chicoms. They rounded them up, They've shut
down churches the Vatican. Why they got into this deal,
(07:50):
no one can figure. They also allowed the Chinese to
choose their bishops, two of which they appointed after the
pope died. Okay, So Perline is a guy with a
lot of clouds over his record that will probably damn
his candidacy. He's also involved in a lot of financial
chicanery here, a four hundred million dollar land deal that
(08:11):
went belly up in London. So he will probably not
make it out of the gate. But he's the number
one liberal candidate, if you will, the progressive candidate to
continue Francis's legacy. On the other side, Cardinal Robert Sarah,
who you mentioned, a priest from Nigeria, an incredible man
in both of his parents were converts. An African cardinal
(08:34):
who headed up the liturgy office at the Holy See
and got into problems with Pope Francis over the old
Latin Mass, which Francis outlawed. Cardinal Robert Sarah did not
want that to happen, so Francis booted him out. He's
a huge favorite of the more traditional cardinals. I think though,
(08:55):
at the end of the day, you need somebody who
can both reform this bureaucracy, clean up the financial problems
the churches broke here that's the reality, and revived the
faith in a winning way. I keep looking at a
man I know, I've known him for twenty five years.
Cardinal Pierre Baptista Pizza Bala. Try saying that's four times fast.
Pizzabala is the Jerusalem patriarch. He's a Franciscan, he's lived
(09:20):
in the Holy Land for thirty five years, a sturdy
man from the farming country in northern Italy, but a
prayerful man who believes the Word of God should be
the center of our lives. And he's cleaned up all
the financial problems there and navigated this landmine of Israel
and the Palestinians. And when, in fact, when Hamas took
(09:42):
those hostages, he offered his life in exchange for the hostages.
That will I think tip the balance for him if
they need a compromise candidate. It's kind of like Trump
getting shot in Butler that was the end of the campaign.
I feel that way about Pizzabala as well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
All Right, so this is maybe going to day me
to eternal flames here, but you can you can bet
on who the next pope is going to be. And Raymond,
I don't know if you've paid attention to this, but
here are you just mentioned?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's excommunicable. We can't do it, but that others can't.
But we can't. It's literally an ex communical crime. If
you bet on the on the papacy. Do you know that?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Really, Clay was trying to get me excommunicated Raymond.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He wanted me to be a heathen. All right, well then,
you guys, I'm here to save you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm not Catholic, so I can't be excommunicated here. So
I'm going to tell you the favorites according to the
gambling market. There's still time, There's still time. Okay, Well,
then I might be ending that forever. Now the Southern
Baptist can be happy because I'm shutting the door on
being Catholic. Here are the four favorites according to polymarket
right now, Pietro Perilyn and I'm probably going to mispronounce
(10:56):
the names, but you said you thought he was just
a Yeah, you hit three of these names. That's that's
what I was impressed by. It says that you think
he's got too many scandals in his background. Tagol Or
Tagola nineteen point yep, Tagla. You know you mentioned Pizza Bella.
(11:16):
Who was the individual you were just talking about. He's
the fourth most likely, the only one you didn't mention.
I'm going to put you on the spot here, Mateo,
Zoopi or Zuppy. What do you know about him? If anything,
he's third most likely.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Too Mateo Zuppie is an Italian cardinal very much in
line with the Pope Francis vision of things. He's a liberal,
he's been very open to the LGBT community. Look, Clay,
when you have young people, we just saw this at
Easter and Buck will back me up on this. Young
people are flooding into the Catholic Church, not only cathol Church,
other Communists too, but particularly the Catholic Church. And it's
(11:52):
young men because they've they've found their way into the
faith through the Internet and reading, and they're looking for
something eternal, ancient, the truth of Christ and the Gospel.
I don't think you're going to get that from a
guy like Zoopie or Tagle, who basically pushing a line
that we just have to be more like the world
and less like the apostles. You wont an apostle. So
(12:14):
my guess is if I were a betting man, and
I'm not because I don't want to get excommunicated, I
would put my money on somebody like Pizza Bala because
I think both the right and the left candidates are
going to go down and they're going to need a compromise,
and that guy's story is so compelling. I think it
might just win the day.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Outstanding stuff. Raymond for coming right to us from the
Vatican City. If there are immediate results or something like that,
don't hesitate to call us back in if you were
there in the Vatican City to report live.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
We'd love to have you on next couple of days
if that happens.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, call me anytime. I'm here. I'll be smokestack watching
until I hope Friday and then we can all go home.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Excellent, excellent was imposter for us and Clay. You know,
my dad is Anglican, so I'm actually split by parentage,
so he's an Anglican like Church of England type and
or you know, Episcopalian saying I think it's the same thing.
Isn't that basically And I'm gonna probably get religious people
off now. Isn't that basically just when Henry the Eighth
(13:19):
decided that he wanted to get married and they split
the Church of England from the Catholic faith. Isn't that
basically the existence of that faith? Yes, that is the history.
That is the history of the Church of England. Is
Henry the Eighth not a great guy, wanted to get
remarried again, definitely be headed a wife, not a good dude.
So so that is the founding history of the Church
(13:39):
of England.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's what I thought just.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Wanted to make which which now that that low i Q.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Pretentious weirdo. What's his name?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
King Charles is the head of He's the head of
the Church of England. Oh I know, Yeah, the Church
of England is always headed by the by the king
because the king wanted to marry a new woman and
decided that he needed to leave the Catholic Faith. That's right, right,
I've got the religious background there, I think, so all
the angry episcopealions but honestly, you're not gonna be angry
about this. You could send your ire at Clay for
(14:12):
just talking about the historical record. But that was cool
that Raymond Royo right from the Vatican City as we
wait to see who the next pope is going to be,
and you found out that I've now been excommunicated from
the Catholic Faith because I shared the latest gambling odds
on the pope and it was interesting that Raymond had
broken down three of them as the potential likely popes.
You're like the beelzebub of the Clay and Buck Show,
(14:35):
you know, tempting our audience to place place wagers that
would damn them for eternity. Clay, Well, I'll be honest.
You know, the Southern Baptists believe that basically you can
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Break down there. Also, there's a couple of stories out there.
We haven't really talked about this, Buck, but this real
ID story has got people super fired up. Tomorrow, I
believe is the beginning of the real ID or else
it's today, and I bet a lot of you have
(17:38):
strong opinions on that. I do not have a real
ID because the state of Tennessee does not regularly put
the real ID on the driver's license. I do have
TSA and I am flying on Friday up to Chicago
to go speak at the University of Chicago again. Is
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We have so many vip emails come in here. Let's
see people people standing, standing tall, standing strong for their
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enough to West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Miami is not
far away.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I hear great things about Jupiter, Clay, have you been.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I have, but not to spend a substantial amount of
time My point on and for those of you who
don't know, we were talking about, Hey, what places have
blown up the most since two thousand. Roughly, it's about
the arc the runoff. It's not about what the best
place is. It's about which place has gotten the gotten
better in the last decade. We were talking about decent
(20:40):
sized cities. I mean there are a lot of suburban
or smaller scales sit like Jupiter is not a big place.
So if you like the arguments we put out, there
were Miami, Austin, Nashville, Charlotte, Raleigh, maybe Phoenix, things that
have in the last twenty five years gotten progressively better
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in terms of a place that people want to live.
And certainly there are a lot of nominees rolling in
like let's see. Matt says, love you guys, but wow,
my heart is hurting today after you shunned the bold
city Jacksonville, Florida. Throw Saint Augustine in as a bonus.
Great city, great beach is great. People don't forget about
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the Jaguars. Jacksonville is a huge city physically it is
so expansive. I think one of the most underrated places
in a pro sports city Jack's Beach.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You ever been to Jacksonville Beach? Buck?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, Jack's Beach is really, really nice. I think under
the radar.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The problem jackson Beach is not an insubstantial drive into
downtown Jacksonville, and downtown Jacksonville is still, I would say,
a work in progress. They need to have more centrality
it seems to me there. But in general, I do
think Jacksonville has improved very much as a city in
the last twenty five years. We got a VIP email
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for Matt says. One city that's been on the rise
last couple of decades is Fort Wayne, Indiana. Used to
be attorneys in Bell Bondsman were the only people to
go downtown. Now there are so many things to do there, dining, entertainment,
Recreation downtown's doing great well. Yes, and thank you Wo
wo in Fort Wayne, Indiana for picking up the Clay
and Buck show. And I have you know Clay. I've
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been to Fort Wayne twice. I have been to Fort
Wayne in.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
His lovely town.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So yes, we will continue to take some of your
VIP emails, calls and all the rest of it. We
did have Trump way in here in the last hour
on Tom Tillis wanted to get to that. Senator Tillis
said he.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Would not.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Support ed Martin, who is the interim US Attorney in DC,
would not support him to be made the formal permanent
US Attorney for the District of Columbia. And this is
what Trump says about Tom Tillis standing in the way.
Senator Tillis has come out against Martinez usupering do you
have any response to that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Well, it's disappointing because you know, I know it, he's
very talented. Crime is down in Washington, d C. Street crime,
violent crime by twenty five percent, and it's people have
seen they've noticed a big difference.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I haven't I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But if if anybody voted against m I feel very
badly about it. Only in the sense that in this
short period of time that he's been there, crime is
down twenty five percent in Washington, d C. But that's
really up to the senators if they, you know, feel
that way, they have to vote the way they vote.
They have to follow their heart and they have to
follow their mind.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, pretty so gentle from Trump on this one. I
have to say, I'm a little surprised. Yeah, very gentle.
I think the important thing there is the what he
said about violent crime being down substantially. I think you
have to give credit to the US Attorney. I think
Trump deserves credit. I think actually Muriel Bowser deserves some
credit because she seems to have gotten at least a
(24:09):
little bit saying about what needs to happen to make
the city of Washington safer. But I just again, Tom,
tell us shit, come on this program. I just I
want to hear from him why he feels that Ed Martin,
who already has the job, and as Trump just laid out,
appears to be doing a good job in that role.
(24:31):
Why does he think that Ed Martin shouldn't get the job.
I just buck, there's no way, there's no way. He
defended January sixth defendants is possibly a reason that he
could not support ed Martin. In my opinion, I mean
to your point, and it is a significant one. Everybody
deserves the right to a defense. So I can't remember.
(24:53):
I'm trying to think somewhere where I've said, oh, this
attorney has to be held accountable because of what their
defendant was a lay to have done. I've defended murder victims,
I mean murder people accused of murder. Now because I'm
in favor of murder, I mean drug dealers, wife beaters.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Did the murder get off? When you were defending him?
He was already convicted and I think he's still in prison.
It was I was on his appeal. I was on
his appeal.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
But but you're when when you're a young lawyer, you
were assigned. It's kind of a unique spot. When I
was in the US Virgin Islands, you are assigned. All
lawyers are because they don't have enough public defenders. You
are assigned some criminal cases and you are forced to
take them on. And this goes for any lawyer in
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the US Virgin Islands at that time twenty years ago.
And that didn't mean that I agreed with the defendants
or that I was in favor of no punishment, but
I had an obligation as an attorney to defend them
to the best of my ability. So I think the
idea of oh, well, he's defended this person and therefore
he can't have a job, is really bad precedent to set.
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That's also showing you just how far the overreach went
from the Democrats, the left, the anti Trump forces. You
can go ask anyone at one of the big law
firms out there, you know, the big law firms. They
will tell you they banned their people from doing any
(26:23):
work related to Trump election stuff J six and it
was career destroying for people if they tried to go
and represent people involved in this. So there was a
whole movement within legal industry to prevent Trump and his
people and his supporters from getting a robust and talented defense.
(26:48):
Just to show everybody, you know, ACLU didn't have any
problems with that. And to your point, Tom Tillis voted
for Merrick Garland. I think if you voted for Merrick
Garland to be Biden's attorney general, how in the world
are you opposing anything that Trump puts forward. I just
think that is a politically untenable and indefensible position, but
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Phillis has that opportunity to come forward. A lot of
people also weighing in Buck on the real ID requirement
which is starting to play itself out. And I think
this is super interesting. I don't have a real ID,
and maybe we can have this conversation tomorrow as it
(27:32):
becomes more of a reality. But Brian and Wooster, Mass
is upset with me. Ninety four to nine WTAG News
Radio five eighty Brian CC weighing in.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I clam Buck Brian from Worcester, Mass. The real ID
story is ridiculous. They have been telling you that you've
had to get a real ID for years. I mean
literally years. I got mine, I mean five years ago.
I mean the ridiculous lot of time they've they've given
people to get this. So if people are still flipping
(28:03):
out over this, now that's a them problem.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I disagree because I live in the state of Tennessee.
I have had a Tennessee driver's license for thirty years.
Thirty years. I don't have a real ID. I did
TSA PreCheck, I have TSA pre check. I don't know
all this stuff that I had to I don't remember.
I feel like I had to basically give a blood test.
I think I had to send in X rays. I
(28:29):
think the federal government now thinks to my TSA PreCheck
knows every single thing about my medical history. Basically, I'm
kidding someone. I don't remember all the things that I
had to set in, but I have TSA PreCheck. How
in the world is that not more than real ID.
I just am telling you what's going to happen. People
are going to show up. People still don't know how
(28:51):
to go through X ray machines Post nine to eleven,
and it's been twenty five years. You think the real
ID is not going to be a huge major issue.
Only half the population even has a passport. Now I
have a passport, I guess I can travel with it,
but this is ridiculous. I don't see any benefit from this,
and I think it's going to be a total cluster.
(29:14):
I think a lot of our audience thinks this is
a you problem, Clay. I think I'm good. It's I
think they're good. I think they're not worried about this.
You know, I think some pop might have been busy
betting on sports and going out there having fun didn't
get their real ID in time. I've had an ID
for thirty years. I got TSA pre check done. I know,
I'm not I think there are tons of people out
(29:35):
there listening to me right now that do not have
a real ID because it isn't the default in their state.
And so you have a driver's license, you may even
have a passport, but and you may even have TSA
pre check like me. How in the world do I
need to get a special circle on my driver's license
in order to be able to fly when I have
TSA pre check and a passport. I think the federal
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government has plenty of information from me about who I am.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm fired up with this. I don't think it makes this.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It goes in the clay file of of tell him
what to do and he won't do it. But this
time it's the TSA telling him, so it's a little different.
Trust me, I am not a fan of the TSA.
I do not believe by you bite your tongue. We
have a lot of T'D in Red States, in particular,
we have a lot of TSA people who listen to
(30:25):
this show. I know because they say hi to me
when I come. They say they look at my first name.
This probably happens to you too. They're confused for a second,
understandably because I look at my ID or whatever and
it doesn't say Buck, it says James, and with you
it's Richard. By the way, that, as we've said, the
Richard Travis and James Sexton Show sounds like something on
(30:46):
It sounds like something on NPR talking about like international
Music of the World or something. You know, it would
be very popular in the BBC. I think that we
would do well with the British Broadcasting A license with
that name. But I do know there are a lot
of TSA people with and they worked there. I don't
think that we're actually that much safer because of TSA.
(31:07):
A lot of times I go through and I think
that person, not you who listen, I love all of you,
that person at TSA does not seem like the person
that's going to stop a terrorist from blowing up a plane.
I don't know that we're that much safer with TSA,
And I still do not understand what the real ID
requirement is.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It doesn't make any sense to me, and people are like, well,
it's going to keep illegals from flying. No, it isn't
they fly without IDs. I'm going to confess something here.
I started to get a little fired up about this
in front of my wife. Was like, this real ID
thing is ridiculous. And then she says, you have a
floored ID. It is real ID, complying you're fine, and
then all of a sudden, I was like, yeah, as
(31:49):
soon as you found out that, by default you had
a real ID, you didn't care. I don't have a
real ID, and I think there are millions of people
out there that are like me that don't have a
real idea. People say, well, you could go get I
don't want to spend four days at the DMV. It
is impossible to get a DMV appointment right now to
be able to get a real ID in Tennessee. So
(32:09):
I am going to I didn't get the COVID shot.
I don't think I'm ever gonna get the real ID.
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be anti real ID and
I'm gonna be anti the COVID shot. And I guess
I'm gonna have to travel with my passport even though
they have my TSA pre check clearance. You can't tell
me that the federal government doesn't have enough of my
information to allow me to get on an airplane right now.
(32:30):
And have you ever shown up without an ID at all?
Because I have, they still let you on the plane.
You just have to go prove ID some other way.
I didn't have my driver's license. I had to go
to the Southwest gate. I had to show them like
eight credit cards or something, and then they let me
on the plane. So even the requirement of an ID,
if you happen to show up at the airport and
(32:52):
you are like me and sometimes do not have your
driver's license because it would be in a different pair
of pants, I can tell you that it isn't even
that necessary.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't know if any of you are as fired
enough about this as Clay. We'll have to see. I'm
fired up.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
But you know why, as we were to say, why
was your idea in different pair of pants? Because all
you young people started wearing tight pants and my wallet
wouldn't even fit in my pants anymore. My wife gets
me a new fancy pair of pants, can't even it's
not even made to fit a walit anymore. If you
notice this, you you probably never got into the skinny
This is a very This is a very unk discussion
we're having. Now, you saying that your wallet is too
(33:26):
big to fit in your tight cool pants. I am
telling you that I don't understand why all you young
men decided that you wanted to have the tightest pants
on the planet so that your genitals cannot move and
you look like ridiculous water. This is one argument that
not argument. But this is one point of contention I
(33:47):
have with my wife. Is I like pants. I like
pants that air rate, you know, that keep it all
for a little baggy little you know, a little loose,
little loose. My wife's I says, those pants are too big.
All the pants are too big on me. All my
pants somehow are too big on me. No matter what,
I can now find pants that aren't too big on me. Yeah, well,
let's just tee off here. My fourteen year old walked
(34:08):
through the house the other day, is in eighth grade.
It was like he was wearing daisy dukes. I don't
understand why all these young men. I was like, hey,
those are nice daisy dukes you're wearing. You know, go
look up Dukes of Hazzard nineteen eighty three. You look
just like daisy, like, why are you walking around like basically,
his whole thigh is hanging out. I don't understand how
this became to shrendy. I blame women because the boys
(34:30):
must be doing it because girls like it. People allowed
nineties era cargo shorts for men to be thrown under
the bus, and we will live to regret that. Okay,
a lot of pocket, a lot of pocket coverage with
the cargo shorts indestructible. They got a hole of them.
They just look cooler. My mentions are deluged with real
(34:51):
id reactions. But this is a friend of mine just
said she and her husband went to the DMV by
me two hour wait, no appointments available, and they don't
have them, and you get it mailed to you a
month later. This is Nashville right now. Hey, Florida, Florida's
really sympathetic to you Tennessee people on this one. We're
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really crying crocodile thirty years. I've had a driver's license.
Why can't they just put a circle and a star
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Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
In only twenty seconds left. I'm gonna take all of
your real id shrapnel tomorrow. We're gonna take some calls
on this and we're gonna discuss it. All that and more.
We love you guys, appreciate all the feedback. Lots of
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