March 25, 2025 • 36 mins
In the third hour of today's show, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton started by addressing the ongoing reactions to Dr. Laura's appearance in the previous hour, with many listeners sharing their positive feedback. The conversation then revisited the story about the Signal app group chat involving National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of The Atlantic. They discussed the implications of the accidental inclusion of Goldberg in the chat and predicted that the story would likely fade within 24 hours, especially with the ongoing ceasefire talks between Ukraine and Russia in the Black Sea. Clay and Buck also touched on economic topics, noting the significant drop in egg prices and the stock market's recent rebound. They highlighted the media's attempts to attack Trump and the resilience of his administration. The discussion then shifted to the role of media and journalists, with Clay criticizing the ethics of a reporter who stayed on a private text chain and published its contents. TX Rep. Jasmine Crockett's ableist "hot wheels" remarks against Texas Governor Greg Abbott. They also discussed the political landscape, including the potential future of AOC in the Senate and the influence of wealthy individuals on public policy. AOC is a political brand. Social media and it's influence on elections. The hour concluded with a lighter note, as Clay shared a humorous anecdote about being on a dance mom group text chain, emphasizing the importance of removing oneself from unwanted group messages.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome an Hour number three Klay Travis buck Sexton show.
I hope all of you are having fantastic Tuesdays or
you may be across the country as we roll through
the program. Here our thanks to doctor Laura, who many
of you are reacting to very positively. That was just
on at the end of our middle part of the
last hour, and there are still a lot of reactions
(00:22):
pouring in variety of different topics out there. Let's talk
about a couple of things we discussed earlier in the program.
The text message tell Graham telegraph signal. I guess it
was a private exchange that involved the Atlantic editor, which
has turned into a big story.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A little bit of more news has come out associated
with that.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It was evidently a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Mike Walls staffer who put the Jonah sorry Jeffrey Goldberg
on the text chain around eighteen different people. We've been
talking about how did that happen? That is the report
that that individual was the one who added Jeffrey Goldberg
to the chat, So that in and of itself is
(01:15):
further being discussed. And I think, and I'm curious if
you would agree with me on this, that this is
probably a twenty four hour story. Now it's going to
blip up, get a lot of attention. It appears that
Trump is not going to fire anybody. I think oftentimes
Trump is of the opinion that win the Beltway insiders
(01:37):
demand that something be done, He's actually far less likely
to do it because he trusts their opinions and their
analysis of situations far less based on his own political
instincts and experience as president. And so I suspect that
this story, by and large, unless there's some other component
that hasn't dropped yet, is going to be gone within
(01:58):
twenty four hours, particularly because the biggest story on international
geopolitical front so far today is that the Black Sea
is now not going to be a point of conflict,
according to Stepping, towards a closer element of a ceasefire
between Ukraine and Russia, as talks continue in Saudi Arabia
(02:21):
between Ukraine, Russia and United States emissaries that are trying
to bring peace. So I tend to think that that
is going to be the bigger story, certainly in Trump world.
As we have all learned, it's actually hard for a
story to last for more than twenty four hours. But
the things that they've continued to try to glom onto
(02:42):
egg prices. They're down about fifty percent since Trump came
into office. If they haven't dropped where you are yet,
they will. I appreciate the fact that everyone in America
feels compelled to let me know what they paid for
eggs whenever I say that egg prices have dropped. And overall,
the stock market has rebounded a decent amount. Was it
a couple of weeks ago? I think it was buck
(03:04):
when I was on spring break with the kids. Suddenly
everybody became terrified that the market was going to collapse.
The market may or may not go down substantially in
the months ahead. No one knows for sure. Long range
tends to do well, but in the short term several
months can go up or down. But the market is
up now for the last six months, so this isn't
even a major correction that is underway. It's fallen from
(03:27):
the heights, but it hasn't fallen over the last six months.
So they're looking desperately for a way to attack Trump.
Elon has been the preferred method to attack Trump of late,
as he has been trying to undertake DOGE cuts, and
Tesla has been the target of that. But I tend
to think you tell me, as the national security expert
(03:48):
on the show, whether you sign on to that, whether
you think there will be lingering aspects associated with this story.
I'm not saying Democrats aren't going to try to prolong it.
I'm just saying it doesn't appear to me that there's
that much there. There no this is we're not even
going to be thinking about this in a day. And
now that it's come out that Mike Walls wasn't even
(04:11):
the responsible I don't it's not guilty. He didn't mean
you know, there was no ill intent here by anybody,
with the possible exception of Jeffrey Goldberg. That is just
a this is a mistake, the same way that you
know anybody could make an error when they're.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Driving on the highway or something, right. I mean, you
need to be careful, and there is accountability for things.
But I think this is this is going to very
quickly go into the no harm, no foul category. And
it's just a reminder though that Democrat regime media will
do whatever they can to destroy anyone they can in
Trump's orbit. I mean, this is not all this stuff
(04:44):
about oh, this is about our national security. Please, these
people don't care about national security. The don't care about
the best interest in the United States. They care about power.
They do not want to do what is necessary to
secure our borders, they do not want to do what
is necessary to make our streets safe, and they don't
want to do what is in the US interests abroad
at the expense of our adversaries. So I don't really
(05:05):
need to have any lectures from the Democrat Caucus on
this one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think that we've had enough.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I also think stories like these linger when we see
that there are private discussions that are different than the
public pronouncements. By and large, everybody privately is saying the
same thing that they're saying publicly, and so the hypocrisy
here doesn't even exist. If anything, Again, I come back
(05:33):
to look, I wish that this signal chat had not existed.
I wish that this reporter had not been on it.
But if I'm looking at the morality involved here, the
reporter staying on the text chain and writing about a
text chain that he was in no business intended to
be a part of, is actually the more indefensible in
(05:57):
many ways morally, I'm not talking about national security interests,
but the reporter not acknowledging himself and admitting when he
recognized that he had no business being on the text chain.
I would fill this strip it outside of national security.
If in your own private life you ended up on
a text chain that you shouldn't have been on, and
(06:17):
then you shared it publicly even though the people were
inadvertently involved in it, I think most of you would
have raised your hand, or at a minimum, just dropped
out of the text chain. And I bet there are
a lot of you who have been on big group
text chains that maybe not didn't make the most sense.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Have you ever been on a big text chain and
you're like, man, I have no interest in being on this.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh yeah, I've removed myself from text chains people have
put me on. I've removed myself from email lists people
have put me on. And I've been in that situation too,
where you're online. If this happened with email particular, where
somebody sends some email to the group and I'm like, ooh,
I'm out. I don't I don't like you, I'm out
of here. So I had no part of whatever crazy
stuff you guys are talking about. So yeah, I remember, uh,
(07:03):
this has been a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I was on a dance mom thread because when my
kids were young, Oh this is fun, I needed back
up flute music. Obviously they needed back up flute music.
I know my wife had a she was finishing law school.
For those of you remember she went back to law
school and she had finals and she had our two
youngest boys. Uh, they played every sport, but she also
had them doing like dance because she did dance and
(07:28):
they were young. And anyway, I was responsible for the
competition that they went to the boys group. But all
the dance moms were on a thread and I just
remember it was like, hey have you seen Jenny's like, uh,
you know Sinquin top, Hey we're missing, And I just
remember thinking like, this is the worst group text chain
(07:52):
that I could imagine possibly being on. I've been on
a lot of Little League group dead chat, I've been
coaching all those things. The dance mom group thread, that
group text that I was on for that competition very
short period of time. I can't tell you how excited
I was to exit because I had no idea what
was being talked about. I didn't even understand some of
the descriptions of the outfits and all of the things
(08:14):
that go into whatever girls wear for dance competitions, and
the fact that I had to keep up with the
boys outfits was a challenge in and of itself. And
so I am very happy to leave group text that
I was that I was not intended to be on
and so and by the way to me saving it,
(08:37):
let me just say this and publicly trying to humiliate
the guys that are on it for purposes of your
own personal benefit. If I had been on this text thread,
first of all, I would have left. But if I had,
let's give him benefit of the doubt and just say,
like there were tons of messages sent, he wasn't on
his phone. He goes back in and looks and sees
(08:59):
him all later, I probably would have reached out to Pete,
Hegseth and the other people on the text chain, and
I would have said, hey, guys, you need to know,
like this was probably not a smart thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm not going to publish this.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Let's work well, you know down the line, I may
need help from you, you may need help from me.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
How media often works. I wouldn't be trying to humiliate
and embarrass the Trump National Defense team, because Buck, when
I come back to this, they weren't engaging in some
sort of awful behavior. They were discussing privately the same
things that they were saying publicly. I don't see this,
(09:39):
other than the fact that this guy was on it,
as some major scandal. If anything, these are relatively young guys,
and I come back again to most younger guys and gals,
if you're under the age of fifty, feel more comfortable
engaging in conversation on text often times than you would
(10:00):
on phones. And so I think this story is going
to go away in twenty four hours. But I do
think it's emblematic of Remember, there's a media out there
that is looking for any mess step to not only
attack you, but try to humiliate you. And the Atlantic,
I'm sorry with a lot of their reporting that they've had.
Marene Powell Jobs owns this outlet that by and large
(10:23):
they've lost tons of money. It is a political outlet
for her to get and influence public policy. That's why
she bought it.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
The female billionaires who are now in charge of their
husbands either divorced or dearly departed in charge of their fortunes.
These leftists, there's a number of them. They are so
bad for the country. I'm just saying, you know, this
is a challenge that we have to deal with. Unfortunately,
(10:52):
you got a few, You got Mackenzie bezos running around,
you got Loreene Powell jobs. These women have enormous amounts
of wealth just because of who they married and are
funding some of the worst and most annoying causes imaginable.
So this is something I know that's a little bit
of a side note that what we're talking about, but I
think it's an important one because they're going to cause
(11:13):
problems for a long time because they, you know, there
was no there was no discipline required for them to
become billionaires. There was no capitalist impulse or anything like that.
And so they're the most left wing beliefs possible are
totally in play.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
When you basically.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Get handed one hundred billion dollars or fifty billion or
two hundred billion or whatever, it is, right, nice problem to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Have, huh buck to what's the great line. I made
my money the old fashioned way. I inherited it. And
there's a lot of people out there that inherit massive
amounts of money, didn't make it themselves and feel compelled
to throw that money around. And by the way, can
happen in both directions, right, Republicans Democrats the other there, Cunard.
(12:01):
Maybe the wrong aphorism that you could kind of dive
into is what do they say, first generation makes it,
second generation preserves it, third generation waste it. It doesn't
take very long to go from learning what it takes
to create a lot of you out there who are
parents and grandparents know what I'm talking about, to create
wealth and work hard at small business and build it
into something substantial. Sons and daughters may preserve it, maybe
(12:23):
they grow it a little bit. A lot of times
by grandkids they're wasting it because they've grown up with
that opportunity and that entitlement and they don't know what
it's required to end up creating it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sometimes in the case of the Jobs family, the money
gets so big it's almost impossible to waste, right, Like
the fortune is so substantial that I mean, there's still
a lot of people in the Rockefeller family that are
living off standard oil the money that was made there
because it's almost impossible to blow it all. But general rule,
first generation makes it. Second generation preserves it, third generation
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck, Bernie Sanders and teen
This is twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Bernie Sanders and AOC have.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Been a traveling road show of sorts. They got the
definitely elder elder statesman and the up and coming generation
of communist and Bernie went on ABC, which should be
pretty friendly territory and this is how it went play
it would you like to see her joining in the
Senate right now? We have, as I said, just a
(14:45):
whole lot of people in the carcass. Okay, gonan, thanks, way,
I got one that's important.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, I asked you, okay, you know you want to
do nonsense to nonsense. No, I don't want to talk
about inside the beltway stuff. I got thirty two thousand people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I was just asking you about AOC because he was about.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You know, fun, But I don't want to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
What was the last question? I was just gonna ask
him one more question about you. I mean, that's all.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
This was literally lost.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What is your question? Well, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Can I just say I think Bernie's a little grumpy.
I think Bernie needs a nap and a sippy cup.
There he's not allowed to be asked about whether AOC
should join him in the Senate. He made it sound
like somebody asked some like personal question about his uh,
you know, his family or something.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's actually a no brainer to ask that question. And
I who was at Jonathan carl whoever he was slapping around.
I'm not sure who exactly that was at ABC, That's
who it sounded like to me. I haven't seen that clip,
but I do think that the panic is real inside
of the Democrat Party. I mean, we've got some audio
(15:46):
data that reflects again the number that I hit you
yesterday with our friend Ryan Gardusky, who's a part of
the podcast data. We talked about it with him last week.
But the fact that young white kids under the age
of twenty voted for Donald Trump seventy five to twenty
five is a holy crap moment. Think about this, young
(16:12):
white kids voted more for Trump than old white guys did.
You are seventy five plus and you are listening to
us right now. Eighteen and nineteen year old white kids
voted for Donald Trump at a higher rate than you did.
I think there's a lot of old guys out there, like,
holy crap. I think what we talked about with doctor
(16:35):
Laura is a big part of this buck is that
when you've been taught your whole life that you're the
reason everything sucks in a country, by the way, that
is still pretty awesome, and you haven't had any power
at all, right, Like you're fifteen years old and suddenly
your school shuts down and your home on zoom and
you're hearing, oh, white men are the cause of all
(16:57):
the problems in the world. You're kind of sitting around,
You're like this this is BS. And I think Bernie,
even though he's whatever, he is, eighty three years old,
I think I think Bernie is not a crazy anti
masculine guy. And I think he has to look around
at his party right now and be like, we've burned
(17:17):
this whole thing down.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And when you got Tim Wall saying he can beat
up most Trump voters, and everybody's just kind of laughing
at him. That's a sign that you're not winning very many.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Arguments right now.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You never and you know, we're people that have to
deal with this online. Apparently everyone can kick your ass
and my ass. Everyone is smarter than you, Everyone is
smarter than me, right, I mean you get this from
people they love to You never want to be the
guy who's like, yeah, I bet you wouldn't say that
to my face when you have some like anonymous Twitter
account yelling at you. It doesn't you know. This is
(17:51):
kind of what Tim Walls fell into. You know, people
are gonna say what they're gonna say. And if you
have to tell everybody, you know, it's like if you
have to say you're the king, or you really the king.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we were rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program. Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas,
Texas given a lot of good things for the world,
Jasmine Crockett now one of them. She has become one
of the leading spokespersons for the Democrat Party. And you know,
(19:21):
her background is interesting Buck, because she's a little bit
like the rapper remember back in the day on eight
Mile when Eminem goes head to head in the rap battle.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Buck may not remember.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Eight Mile as well as I do, but he delivers
the culminating knockout punch spoiler alert if you haven't seen
eight Mile yet in the twenty years that it's been
out against a other rapper by pointing out that his
family is actually super rich and he went to a
very high end private school called Cranbrook, which is one
(19:57):
of the richest kids schools in.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The Detroit area. I know this.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,
but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns
out Buck went to a high school that cost over
thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays
as if she is someone from the streets, which raises
a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I
(20:24):
think in general, when you pretend to be something that
you are not in order to try to draw attention
to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say
about her that, instead of being educated forthright and an
advocate in some way, in a public manner, for what
(20:46):
she believes that she would basically turn into. Remember we
played here a couple of weeks ago saying Trump is
Putin's hoe, that she would basically turn into a version
of herself that is not representative of how she was raised. Well,
here she is going after the governor of Texas, Greg Abbot,
and this is what she said a little bit earlier.
(21:08):
And I believe, of all things a human rights event. Listen,
because we in these hot ass Texas streets. Honey, y'all
know we got Governor high Wheels down there. Come on now,
and the only thing hot about him is that he
is a hot ass.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Mess, honey.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Now I would lean
into this if I were Greg Abbott. For those of
you don't know, that's an insult because Greg Abbot is
actually confined to a wheelchair because a tree fell on
him when he was in his twenties. So when she
(21:46):
calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually insulting him because
of a disability that he has. And then she attacks
in some way. For those of you who don't know
his physical appearance, the only thing hot about him is
the fact that he's a hot mess is actually really
good governor I think by and large has been. Certainly
the average Texan agrees based on the voting returns. But
(22:10):
to go after a guy who's in a wheelchair by
mocking the fact that he's in a wheelchair, again, I
would lean into this. If I were Greg Abott, I'd
probably roll out in a Governor hot Wheels t shirt
the next time that I did a public event, because
I would mock her mockery by mocking it that way.
But I do think it's emblematic of the failure of
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the Democrat Party to have a real message that ridiculing
a popular statewide elected governor of the state that you
represent for being in a wheelchair is their go to
line of attack, and that Jasmine Crockett would be regularly
on the front lines as an outspoken advocate for the
Democrat Party is frankly the best thing I can think
(22:52):
about for Republicans.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in
so far as she's never going to be uh, you know,
AOC and the squad were.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
There was a lot of media.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Attention because some of them and prickly like Rashida talib
And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,
far left part.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Of the party.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But I think Clay it was very obvious early on
that AOC was the only one who was going to
try to elevate. And we see that happening right now.
I mean it's it's yes, still in still in process
or in progress. But she was the only one who
had aspirations of maybe being Speaker of the House, maybe
being president or aspiration is the wrong word, possibility right
(23:44):
within the Democrat rank, she's become uh, you know, our
friend Jesse Kelly says she has She's no longer a
street communist, right, she's more of a organizer. I think
he uses that's a very good term he's come up with. Right,
she's no longer street communist, she's more of a you know,
Pollitborough communist. Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in
the boardroom meetings, yes exactly. She can sit there with
(24:05):
Stalin and the rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody.
But I think that Crockett is getting a lot of
attention but has no There's no way that she's going
to find herself in a leadership position within the Democrat
Party in my opinion, so I don't spend too much
time and saying something like like Governor hot wheels. I
(24:29):
don't even think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think
that anyone expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The
only thing that upsets me is that she shares a
name with the greatest coffee company of all time, which
happens to also be named for a great American hero.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's a great name, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name which I look
this Crockett is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a there's different
spellings of it. In fact, Davey spelled his name or
there are different spellings of his name during his life
because of the sort of dere of it from the
Scottish Highlands. Yeah, fun fast for everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't I'm not the kind of person who obviously
a lot of people say awful things going to shock
you about me or buck. I'm not the kind of
person who like grabs my pearls and falls onto a
fainting couch. So I wouldn't encourage I understand some people
are like, this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous.
I think the way to deal with something like this, again,
if I were giving advice to Greg Abbott, would be
with humor, because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of
(25:28):
a funny nickname, uh, And you can throw it back
on her by leaning into the humor and proving that
you are going to mock her by doing so.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think that's a smart way to attack it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But I do think that this is emblematic of them
not really having a strategy. The fact, I agree with
you the Jasmine Crockett doesn't have a next level right
If you think about it in a sports term, you're like, Okay,
you're the kind of boxer that can knock out somebody
who's a so called tomato, but you don't have heavyweight
title aspirations, Like you're kind of just a mid range
(26:04):
guy in the boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin
Crockett is. I think they have aspirations that AOC could
be their heavyweight. I think they think, I agree with you,
that they could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is
my prediction. I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce
that he's not going to run for reelection. Remember he
won reelection in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until
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twenty eight. I think he'll announce he's not running an
endorseer twenty three. Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not
stepping down.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Play twenty three.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Look, I'm not stepping down.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I knew when I cast my vote against the government
shutdown that it would be that there'd be a lot
of controversy, and there was. But I let me tell
you and your audience why I did it, why I
felt was so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know,
the continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or
twenty times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has
(27:03):
sole power to determine what is quote essential, and they
can determine without any court supervision. The courts have rules.
It's solely up to the executive what to shut down.
With Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote,
they would evicerate the federal government.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Clay, He's saying, I'm still the best shot that we
have for leadership on the Democrats side, said I'm not
stepping down. And I don't see anybody who poses the
option here would be And this is what Bernie Sanders,
I think, was referring to who could run in the
Senate against Schumer from New York AOC. But I think
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Democrats are very They're hesitant about this. Remember Bernie Clay,
this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was
at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were run
their primary, and you know, into twenty sixteen when Democrats
are running their primary, and all of the CNN commentators
would say out of the side the Democrats would say,
(28:08):
out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really
got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go
on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus
and they knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It'd be like, well, we know that Hillary is really
Bernie's great, but.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Hillary, but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really
where the base is? They totally they they scammed Bernie
out of the nomination twice.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it's twice, and it's.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Mean, we all saw this, right, and it's because came
out in some of the Wiki League stuff and it's
all because they recognize that the whole game Democrats have
to play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.
And you can't be too honest about this because you
can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you
tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC, do
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they think that there's some new era they are entering
where they can do a rebrand. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if
they get the right candidates, and I think they are
are going to pick up seats.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
In the Senate.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia F
Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New
Hampshire if they can get Snunu as the governor right now,
right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I
think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.
Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.
(29:29):
I think if I were setting over under on pickups
in the Senate, I would set it at one and
a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans
come out of twenty twenty six in the Senate with
fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,
with only two years left on his term, I think
Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I
think he will set the stage for AOC to become
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the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,
I think that will then set the table for her
to be president now. Run for president now. She may
not even want to be in the Senate because the
argument is does she need to be in the Senate
to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember, everybody's
running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight, They're going
to have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe
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not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is
going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,
a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but
the Democrat side, everybody is running.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just
the fact that we have initials for her and everybody
knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.
This is as soon as we were talking about this,
I think was in January. After the Electric Class Like
you know what I think it'll be, and you occasionally
I waiver on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite,
(30:45):
but it doesn't. Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president.
Look at Joe Biden. But AOC has the media profile,
and I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an
all out. It's when I say media, I don't I
don't mean who can get on CBS news. I mean
social media, internet recognizability, ability to direct a news cycle,
(31:08):
ability to kind of capture public attention. It's really hard
to win in politic Look mean, look at Trump. Is
a is an entertainment phenomenon as much as he is
a political phenomenon. And those two things I think go
hand in hand. Now, this is why I don't think
somebody like you know, people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No,
(31:30):
you know, she plays well enough with Democrats in Michigan.
But I just don't think that she's She doesn't have
the name, she doesn't have the profile, she doesn't have
the sizzle. If you will, and I know you tell
me you will laugh at me, I'm gonna remember who
was laughing at me. But AOC is a It's like
she's a character in American politics. It's different. She's not
(31:50):
just a politician. She's a politician celebrity. She's pretty, she
may clzier, she's pretty.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, look, I think you have to talk about
cosmetic aspects.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, no, it matters, you're right. I just think it's funny,
Like she's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, she is pretty. But I think she also could
have a kid. I mean, some of you are going
to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's
married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes
her more relatable for a lot of people out there.
I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I
would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be
(32:26):
I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets
exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter.
But I think if she's going up against let's say, like,
I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because
he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not
going to vote for a gay white guy. But I
think may Or Pete is actually a pretty smart guy, right, Like,
I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren she's too
(32:49):
old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin Newsom is evil,
evil Keanu Reeves, But I don't think he's a moron.
I think he's just an inveterate liar. There are people
I think that would expose AOC in an intellectual game.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Again, I sound like, and you know, you can throw
whatever heat you want at me everyone, But I think
AOC she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And savvy
may be meaning she doesn't know very much, but she's
cunning and that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
May be enough.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I just keep an eye on it. I think a
lot of the people who could be around her and
write the speeches and tell her to memorize the talking
points to you know, and she doesn't have dementia.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
She's got that going for her. Which does have that
going for that is very nice. We'll come back.
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
We got some talkbacks and we have a quick flashback here.
It's cut thirty two. I was I didn't know that
I was going to get Clay to spit out his
crocket yesterday, but I managed. It was not intentional, but
it just happened. We were talking about salacious television scenes
and bobs and other things, and this is cut thirty two,
(35:30):
just a reminder from yesterday. I do not do well
with you know, maybe my mind is more like a
delicate flower these days when it comes to my content
at entertainment. I don't like things that are too violent.
I don't like things that are too body.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Perhaps is that the right word.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I got him to choke on his crocket. I got
him to choke on his crocket coffee.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Almost speak my crocket coffee out every week?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Body? Were you born in nineteen twenty four? You know,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
We have a talk back here from one of our
wonderful listeners in Oklahoma City. This is ff play it Buck.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
He's kind of stole my heart yesterday when you were
talking about a television show.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Being too body and that you didn't like those with nudity.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
And bad language and too much violence.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Play.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
On the other hand, you kind of mess up in
my books when you started talking about how much you
liked the nudity and the wildness. Sorry, just my opinion.
Love you guys. Clay, you might be too body for
our Oklahoma listener.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Evidently, So look, I want violence, I want nudity, I
want adult programming if I'm going to be watching, So
I apologize for having too much of a body take.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know, I will point.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Out because one of the peoples is like, let's just
remember though, I can't be with Clay for more than
five minutes before a middle aged woman wants to touch
him on the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's true. They love me.
Welcome an Hour number three Klay Travis buck Sexton show.
I hope all of you are having fantastic Tuesdays or
you may be across the country as we roll through
the program. Here our thanks to doctor Laura, who many
of you are reacting to very positively. That was just
on at the end of our middle part of the
last hour, and there are still a lot of reactions
(00:22):
pouring in variety of different topics out there. Let's talk
about a couple of things we discussed earlier in the program.
The text message tell Graham telegraph signal. I guess it
was a private exchange that involved the Atlantic editor, which
has turned into a big story.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A little bit of more news has come out associated
with that.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It was evidently a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Mike Walls staffer who put the Jonah sorry Jeffrey Goldberg
on the text chain around eighteen different people. We've been
talking about how did that happen? That is the report
that that individual was the one who added Jeffrey Goldberg
to the chat, So that in and of itself is
(01:15):
further being discussed. And I think, and I'm curious if
you would agree with me on this, that this is
probably a twenty four hour story. Now it's going to
blip up, get a lot of attention. It appears that
Trump is not going to fire anybody. I think oftentimes
Trump is of the opinion that win the Beltway insiders
(01:37):
demand that something be done, He's actually far less likely
to do it because he trusts their opinions and their
analysis of situations far less based on his own political
instincts and experience as president. And so I suspect that
this story, by and large, unless there's some other component
that hasn't dropped yet, is going to be gone within
(01:58):
twenty four hours, particularly because the biggest story on international
geopolitical front so far today is that the Black Sea
is now not going to be a point of conflict,
according to Stepping, towards a closer element of a ceasefire
between Ukraine and Russia, as talks continue in Saudi Arabia
(02:21):
between Ukraine, Russia and United States emissaries that are trying
to bring peace. So I tend to think that that
is going to be the bigger story, certainly in Trump world.
As we have all learned, it's actually hard for a
story to last for more than twenty four hours. But
the things that they've continued to try to glom onto
(02:42):
egg prices. They're down about fifty percent since Trump came
into office. If they haven't dropped where you are yet,
they will. I appreciate the fact that everyone in America
feels compelled to let me know what they paid for
eggs whenever I say that egg prices have dropped. And overall,
the stock market has rebounded a decent amount. Was it
a couple of weeks ago? I think it was buck
(03:04):
when I was on spring break with the kids. Suddenly
everybody became terrified that the market was going to collapse.
The market may or may not go down substantially in
the months ahead. No one knows for sure. Long range
tends to do well, but in the short term several
months can go up or down. But the market is
up now for the last six months, so this isn't
even a major correction that is underway. It's fallen from
(03:27):
the heights, but it hasn't fallen over the last six months.
So they're looking desperately for a way to attack Trump.
Elon has been the preferred method to attack Trump of late,
as he has been trying to undertake DOGE cuts, and
Tesla has been the target of that. But I tend
to think you tell me, as the national security expert
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on the show, whether you sign on to that, whether
you think there will be lingering aspects associated with this story.
I'm not saying Democrats aren't going to try to prolong it.
I'm just saying it doesn't appear to me that there's
that much there. There no this is we're not even
going to be thinking about this in a day. And
now that it's come out that Mike Walls wasn't even
(04:11):
the responsible I don't it's not guilty. He didn't mean
you know, there was no ill intent here by anybody,
with the possible exception of Jeffrey Goldberg. That is just
a this is a mistake, the same way that you
know anybody could make an error when they're.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Driving on the highway or something, right. I mean, you
need to be careful, and there is accountability for things.
But I think this is this is going to very
quickly go into the no harm, no foul category. And
it's just a reminder though that Democrat regime media will
do whatever they can to destroy anyone they can in
Trump's orbit. I mean, this is not all this stuff
(04:44):
about oh, this is about our national security. Please, these
people don't care about national security. The don't care about
the best interest in the United States. They care about power.
They do not want to do what is necessary to
secure our borders, they do not want to do what
is necessary to make our streets safe, and they don't
want to do what is in the US interests abroad
at the expense of our adversaries. So I don't really
(05:05):
need to have any lectures from the Democrat Caucus on
this one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think that we've had enough.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I also think stories like these linger when we see
that there are private discussions that are different than the
public pronouncements. By and large, everybody privately is saying the
same thing that they're saying publicly, and so the hypocrisy
here doesn't even exist. If anything, Again, I come back
(05:33):
to look, I wish that this signal chat had not existed.
I wish that this reporter had not been on it.
But if I'm looking at the morality involved here, the
reporter staying on the text chain and writing about a
text chain that he was in no business intended to
be a part of, is actually the more indefensible in
(05:57):
many ways morally, I'm not talking about national security interests,
but the reporter not acknowledging himself and admitting when he
recognized that he had no business being on the text chain.
I would fill this strip it outside of national security.
If in your own private life you ended up on
a text chain that you shouldn't have been on, and
(06:17):
then you shared it publicly even though the people were
inadvertently involved in it, I think most of you would
have raised your hand, or at a minimum, just dropped
out of the text chain. And I bet there are
a lot of you who have been on big group
text chains that maybe not didn't make the most sense.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Have you ever been on a big text chain and
you're like, man, I have no interest in being on this.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh yeah, I've removed myself from text chains people have
put me on. I've removed myself from email lists people
have put me on. And I've been in that situation too,
where you're online. If this happened with email particular, where
somebody sends some email to the group and I'm like, ooh,
I'm out. I don't I don't like you, I'm out
of here. So I had no part of whatever crazy
stuff you guys are talking about. So yeah, I remember, uh,
(07:03):
this has been a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I was on a dance mom thread because when my
kids were young, Oh this is fun, I needed back
up flute music. Obviously they needed back up flute music.
I know my wife had a she was finishing law school.
For those of you remember she went back to law
school and she had finals and she had our two
youngest boys. Uh, they played every sport, but she also
had them doing like dance because she did dance and
(07:28):
they were young. And anyway, I was responsible for the
competition that they went to the boys group. But all
the dance moms were on a thread and I just
remember it was like, hey have you seen Jenny's like, uh,
you know Sinquin top, Hey we're missing, And I just
remember thinking like, this is the worst group text chain
(07:52):
that I could imagine possibly being on. I've been on
a lot of Little League group dead chat, I've been
coaching all those things. The dance mom group thread, that
group text that I was on for that competition very
short period of time. I can't tell you how excited
I was to exit because I had no idea what
was being talked about. I didn't even understand some of
the descriptions of the outfits and all of the things
(08:14):
that go into whatever girls wear for dance competitions, and
the fact that I had to keep up with the
boys outfits was a challenge in and of itself. And
so I am very happy to leave group text that
I was that I was not intended to be on
and so and by the way to me saving it,
(08:37):
let me just say this and publicly trying to humiliate
the guys that are on it for purposes of your
own personal benefit. If I had been on this text thread,
first of all, I would have left. But if I had,
let's give him benefit of the doubt and just say,
like there were tons of messages sent, he wasn't on
his phone. He goes back in and looks and sees
(08:59):
him all later, I probably would have reached out to Pete,
Hegseth and the other people on the text chain, and
I would have said, hey, guys, you need to know,
like this was probably not a smart thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm not going to publish this.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Let's work well, you know down the line, I may
need help from you, you may need help from me.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean, this is.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
How media often works. I wouldn't be trying to humiliate
and embarrass the Trump National Defense team, because Buck, when
I come back to this, they weren't engaging in some
sort of awful behavior. They were discussing privately the same
things that they were saying publicly. I don't see this,
(09:39):
other than the fact that this guy was on it,
as some major scandal. If anything, these are relatively young guys,
and I come back again to most younger guys and gals,
if you're under the age of fifty, feel more comfortable
engaging in conversation on text often times than you would
(10:00):
on phones. And so I think this story is going
to go away in twenty four hours. But I do
think it's emblematic of Remember, there's a media out there
that is looking for any mess step to not only
attack you, but try to humiliate you. And the Atlantic,
I'm sorry with a lot of their reporting that they've had.
Marene Powell Jobs owns this outlet that by and large
(10:23):
they've lost tons of money. It is a political outlet
for her to get and influence public policy. That's why
she bought it.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
The female billionaires who are now in charge of their
husbands either divorced or dearly departed in charge of their fortunes.
These leftists, there's a number of them. They are so
bad for the country. I'm just saying, you know, this
is a challenge that we have to deal with. Unfortunately,
(10:52):
you got a few, You got Mackenzie bezos running around,
you got Loreene Powell jobs. These women have enormous amounts
of wealth just because of who they married and are
funding some of the worst and most annoying causes imaginable.
So this is something I know that's a little bit
of a side note that what we're talking about, but I
think it's an important one because they're going to cause
(11:13):
problems for a long time because they, you know, there
was no there was no discipline required for them to
become billionaires. There was no capitalist impulse or anything like that.
And so they're the most left wing beliefs possible are
totally in play.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
When you basically.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Get handed one hundred billion dollars or fifty billion or
two hundred billion or whatever, it is, right, nice problem to.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Have, huh buck to what's the great line. I made
my money the old fashioned way. I inherited it. And
there's a lot of people out there that inherit massive
amounts of money, didn't make it themselves and feel compelled
to throw that money around. And by the way, can
happen in both directions, right, Republicans Democrats the other there, Cunard.
(12:01):
Maybe the wrong aphorism that you could kind of dive
into is what do they say, first generation makes it,
second generation preserves it, third generation waste it. It doesn't
take very long to go from learning what it takes
to create a lot of you out there who are
parents and grandparents know what I'm talking about, to create
wealth and work hard at small business and build it
into something substantial. Sons and daughters may preserve it, maybe
(12:23):
they grow it a little bit. A lot of times
by grandkids they're wasting it because they've grown up with
that opportunity and that entitlement and they don't know what
it's required to end up creating it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Sometimes in the case of the Jobs family, the money
gets so big it's almost impossible to waste, right, Like
the fortune is so substantial that I mean, there's still
a lot of people in the Rockefeller family that are
living off standard oil the money that was made there
because it's almost impossible to blow it all. But general rule,
first generation makes it. Second generation preserves it, third generation
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This is twenty seven.
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Bernie Sanders and AOC have.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Been a traveling road show of sorts. They got the
definitely elder elder statesman and the up and coming generation
of communist and Bernie went on ABC, which should be
pretty friendly territory and this is how it went play
it would you like to see her joining in the
Senate right now? We have, as I said, just a
(14:45):
whole lot of people in the carcass. Okay, gonan, thanks, way,
I got one that's important.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, I asked you, okay, you know you want to
do nonsense to nonsense. No, I don't want to talk
about inside the beltway stuff. I got thirty two thousand people.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I was just asking you about AOC because he was about.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
You know, fun, But I don't want to talk about this.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
What was the last question? I was just gonna ask
him one more question about you. I mean, that's all.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
This was literally lost.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What is your question? Well, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Can I just say I think Bernie's a little grumpy.
I think Bernie needs a nap and a sippy cup.
There he's not allowed to be asked about whether AOC
should join him in the Senate. He made it sound
like somebody asked some like personal question about his uh,
you know, his family or something.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It's actually a no brainer to ask that question. And
I who was at Jonathan carl whoever he was slapping around.
I'm not sure who exactly that was at ABC, That's
who it sounded like to me. I haven't seen that clip,
but I do think that the panic is real inside
of the Democrat Party. I mean, we've got some audio
(15:46):
data that reflects again the number that I hit you
yesterday with our friend Ryan Gardusky, who's a part of
the podcast data. We talked about it with him last week.
But the fact that young white kids under the age
of twenty voted for Donald Trump seventy five to twenty
five is a holy crap moment. Think about this, young
(16:12):
white kids voted more for Trump than old white guys did.
You are seventy five plus and you are listening to
us right now. Eighteen and nineteen year old white kids
voted for Donald Trump at a higher rate than you did.
I think there's a lot of old guys out there, like,
holy crap. I think what we talked about with doctor
(16:35):
Laura is a big part of this buck is that
when you've been taught your whole life that you're the
reason everything sucks in a country, by the way, that
is still pretty awesome, and you haven't had any power
at all, right, Like you're fifteen years old and suddenly
your school shuts down and your home on zoom and
you're hearing, oh, white men are the cause of all
(16:57):
the problems in the world. You're kind of sitting around,
You're like this this is BS. And I think Bernie,
even though he's whatever, he is, eighty three years old,
I think I think Bernie is not a crazy anti
masculine guy. And I think he has to look around
at his party right now and be like, we've burned
(17:17):
this whole thing down.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And when you got Tim Wall saying he can beat
up most Trump voters, and everybody's just kind of laughing
at him. That's a sign that you're not winning very many.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Arguments right now.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You never and you know, we're people that have to
deal with this online. Apparently everyone can kick your ass
and my ass. Everyone is smarter than you, Everyone is
smarter than me, right, I mean you get this from
people they love to You never want to be the
guy who's like, yeah, I bet you wouldn't say that
to my face when you have some like anonymous Twitter
account yelling at you. It doesn't you know. This is
(17:51):
kind of what Tim Walls fell into. You know, people
are gonna say what they're gonna say. And if you
have to tell everybody, you know, it's like if you
have to say you're the king, or you really the king.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
Welcome back in Clay Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us as we were rolling through
the Tuesday edition of the program. Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas,
Texas given a lot of good things for the world,
Jasmine Crockett now one of them. She has become one
of the leading spokespersons for the Democrat Party. And you know,
(19:21):
her background is interesting Buck, because she's a little bit
like the rapper remember back in the day on eight
Mile when Eminem goes head to head in the rap battle.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Buck may not remember.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Eight Mile as well as I do, but he delivers
the culminating knockout punch spoiler alert if you haven't seen
eight Mile yet in the twenty years that it's been
out against a other rapper by pointing out that his
family is actually super rich and he went to a
very high end private school called Cranbrook, which is one
(19:57):
of the richest kids schools in.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The Detroit area. I know this.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,
but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns
out Buck went to a high school that cost over
thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays
as if she is someone from the streets, which raises
a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I
(20:24):
think in general, when you pretend to be something that
you are not in order to try to draw attention
to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say
about her that, instead of being educated forthright and an
advocate in some way, in a public manner, for what
(20:46):
she believes that she would basically turn into. Remember we
played here a couple of weeks ago saying Trump is
Putin's hoe, that she would basically turn into a version
of herself that is not representative of how she was raised. Well,
here she is going after the governor of Texas, Greg Abbot,
and this is what she said a little bit earlier.
(21:08):
And I believe, of all things a human rights event. Listen,
because we in these hot ass Texas streets. Honey, y'all
know we got Governor high Wheels down there. Come on now,
and the only thing hot about him is that he
is a hot ass.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Mess, honey.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Now I would lean
into this if I were Greg Abbott. For those of
you don't know, that's an insult because Greg Abbot is
actually confined to a wheelchair because a tree fell on
him when he was in his twenties. So when she
(21:46):
calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually insulting him because
of a disability that he has. And then she attacks
in some way. For those of you who don't know
his physical appearance, the only thing hot about him is
the fact that he's a hot mess is actually really
good governor I think by and large has been. Certainly
the average Texan agrees based on the voting returns. But
(22:10):
to go after a guy who's in a wheelchair by
mocking the fact that he's in a wheelchair, again, I
would lean into this. If I were Greg Abott, I'd
probably roll out in a Governor hot Wheels t shirt
the next time that I did a public event, because
I would mock her mockery by mocking it that way.
But I do think it's emblematic of the failure of
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the Democrat Party to have a real message that ridiculing
a popular statewide elected governor of the state that you
represent for being in a wheelchair is their go to
line of attack, and that Jasmine Crockett would be regularly
on the front lines as an outspoken advocate for the
Democrat Party is frankly the best thing I can think
(22:52):
about for Republicans.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in
so far as she's never going to be uh, you know,
AOC and the squad were.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
There was a lot of media.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Attention because some of them and prickly like Rashida talib
And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,
far left part.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Of the party.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But I think Clay it was very obvious early on
that AOC was the only one who was going to
try to elevate. And we see that happening right now.
I mean it's it's yes, still in still in process
or in progress. But she was the only one who
had aspirations of maybe being Speaker of the House, maybe
being president or aspiration is the wrong word, possibility right
(23:44):
within the Democrat rank, she's become uh, you know, our
friend Jesse Kelly says she has She's no longer a
street communist, right, she's more of a organizer. I think
he uses that's a very good term he's come up with. Right,
she's no longer street communist, she's more of a you know,
Pollitborough communist. Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in
the boardroom meetings, yes exactly. She can sit there with
(24:05):
Stalin and the rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody.
But I think that Crockett is getting a lot of
attention but has no There's no way that she's going
to find herself in a leadership position within the Democrat
Party in my opinion, so I don't spend too much
time and saying something like like Governor hot wheels. I
(24:29):
don't even think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think
that anyone expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The
only thing that upsets me is that she shares a
name with the greatest coffee company of all time, which
happens to also be named for a great American hero.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's a great name, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name which I look
this Crockett is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a there's different
spellings of it. In fact, Davey spelled his name or
there are different spellings of his name during his life
because of the sort of dere of it from the
Scottish Highlands. Yeah, fun fast for everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't I'm not the kind of person who obviously
a lot of people say awful things going to shock
you about me or buck. I'm not the kind of
person who like grabs my pearls and falls onto a
fainting couch. So I wouldn't encourage I understand some people
are like, this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous.
I think the way to deal with something like this, again,
if I were giving advice to Greg Abbott, would be
with humor, because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of
(25:28):
a funny nickname, uh, And you can throw it back
on her by leaning into the humor and proving that
you are going to mock her by doing so.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think that's a smart way to attack it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But I do think that this is emblematic of them
not really having a strategy. The fact, I agree with
you the Jasmine Crockett doesn't have a next level right
If you think about it in a sports term, you're like, Okay,
you're the kind of boxer that can knock out somebody
who's a so called tomato, but you don't have heavyweight
title aspirations, Like you're kind of just a mid range
(26:04):
guy in the boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin
Crockett is. I think they have aspirations that AOC could
be their heavyweight. I think they think, I agree with you,
that they could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is
my prediction. I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce
that he's not going to run for reelection. Remember he
won reelection in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until
(26:25):
twenty eight. I think he'll announce he's not running an
endorseer twenty three. Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not
stepping down.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Play twenty three.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Look, I'm not stepping down.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I knew when I cast my vote against the government
shutdown that it would be that there'd be a lot
of controversy, and there was. But I let me tell
you and your audience why I did it, why I
felt was so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know,
the continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or
twenty times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has
(27:03):
sole power to determine what is quote essential, and they
can determine without any court supervision. The courts have rules.
It's solely up to the executive what to shut down.
With Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote,
they would evicerate the federal government.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Clay, He's saying, I'm still the best shot that we
have for leadership on the Democrats side, said I'm not
stepping down. And I don't see anybody who poses the
option here would be And this is what Bernie Sanders,
I think, was referring to who could run in the
Senate against Schumer from New York AOC. But I think
(27:47):
Democrats are very They're hesitant about this. Remember Bernie Clay,
this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was
at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were run
their primary, and you know, into twenty sixteen when Democrats
are running their primary, and all of the CNN commentators
would say out of the side the Democrats would say,
(28:08):
out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really
got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go
on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus
and they knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It'd be like, well, we know that Hillary is really
Bernie's great, but.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Hillary, but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really
where the base is? They totally they they scammed Bernie
out of the nomination twice.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it's twice, and it's.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Mean, we all saw this, right, and it's because came
out in some of the Wiki League stuff and it's
all because they recognize that the whole game Democrats have
to play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.
And you can't be too honest about this because you
can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you
tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC, do
(28:51):
they think that there's some new era they are entering
where they can do a rebrand. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if
they get the right candidates, and I think they are
are going to pick up seats.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
In the Senate.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia F
Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New
Hampshire if they can get Snunu as the governor right now,
right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I
think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.
Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.
(29:29):
I think if I were setting over under on pickups
in the Senate, I would set it at one and
a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans
come out of twenty twenty six in the Senate with
fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,
with only two years left on his term, I think
Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I
think he will set the stage for AOC to become
(29:52):
the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,
I think that will then set the table for her
to be president now. Run for president now. She may
not even want to be in the Senate because the
argument is does she need to be in the Senate
to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember, everybody's
running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight, They're going
to have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe
(30:14):
not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is
going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,
a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but
the Democrat side, everybody is running.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just
the fact that we have initials for her and everybody
knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.
This is as soon as we were talking about this,
I think was in January. After the Electric Class Like
you know what I think it'll be, and you occasionally
I waiver on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite,
(30:45):
but it doesn't. Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president.
Look at Joe Biden. But AOC has the media profile,
and I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an
all out. It's when I say media, I don't I
don't mean who can get on CBS news. I mean
social media, internet recognizability, ability to direct a news cycle,
(31:08):
ability to kind of capture public attention. It's really hard
to win in politic Look mean, look at Trump. Is
a is an entertainment phenomenon as much as he is
a political phenomenon. And those two things I think go
hand in hand. Now, this is why I don't think
somebody like you know, people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No,
(31:30):
you know, she plays well enough with Democrats in Michigan.
But I just don't think that she's She doesn't have
the name, she doesn't have the profile, she doesn't have
the sizzle. If you will, and I know you tell
me you will laugh at me, I'm gonna remember who
was laughing at me. But AOC is a It's like
she's a character in American politics. It's different. She's not
(31:50):
just a politician. She's a politician celebrity. She's pretty, she
may clzier, she's pretty.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, look, I think you have to talk about
cosmetic aspects.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, no, it matters, you're right. I just think it's funny,
Like she's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, she is pretty. But I think she also could
have a kid. I mean, some of you are going
to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's
married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes
her more relatable for a lot of people out there.
I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I
would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be
(32:26):
I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets
exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter.
But I think if she's going up against let's say, like,
I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because
he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not
going to vote for a gay white guy. But I
think may Or Pete is actually a pretty smart guy, right, Like,
I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren she's too
(32:49):
old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin Newsom is evil,
evil Keanu Reeves, But I don't think he's a moron.
I think he's just an inveterate liar. There are people
I think that would expose AOC in an intellectual game.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Again, I sound like, and you know, you can throw
whatever heat you want at me everyone, But I think
AOC she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And savvy
may be meaning she doesn't know very much, but she's
cunning and that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
May be enough.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I just keep an eye on it. I think a
lot of the people who could be around her and
write the speeches and tell her to memorize the talking
points to you know, and she doesn't have dementia.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
She's got that going for her. Which does have that
going for that is very nice. We'll come back.
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
We got some talkbacks and we have a quick flashback here.
It's cut thirty two. I was I didn't know that
I was going to get Clay to spit out his
crocket yesterday, but I managed. It was not intentional, but
it just happened. We were talking about salacious television scenes
and bobs and other things, and this is cut thirty two,
(35:30):
just a reminder from yesterday. I do not do well
with you know, maybe my mind is more like a
delicate flower these days when it comes to my content
at entertainment. I don't like things that are too violent.
I don't like things that are too body.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Perhaps is that the right word.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I got him to choke on his crocket. I got
him to choke on his crocket coffee.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Look at that.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Almost speak my crocket coffee out every week?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Body? Were you born in nineteen twenty four? You know,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
We have a talk back here from one of our
wonderful listeners in Oklahoma City. This is ff play it Buck.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
He's kind of stole my heart yesterday when you were
talking about a television show.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Being too body and that you didn't like those with nudity.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
And bad language and too much violence.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Play.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
On the other hand, you kind of mess up in
my books when you started talking about how much you
liked the nudity and the wildness. Sorry, just my opinion.
Love you guys. Clay, you might be too body for
our Oklahoma listener.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Evidently, So look, I want violence, I want nudity, I
want adult programming if I'm going to be watching, So
I apologize for having too much of a body take.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
You know, I will point.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Out because one of the peoples is like, let's just
remember though, I can't be with Clay for more than
five minutes before a middle aged woman wants to touch
him on the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's true. They love me.
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