October 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Kamala absurdly claims Trump is unfit, unstable and his staff is "hiding" him. Tim Walz says Trump will use the military against Harris voters. Podcaster and author, Allie Beth Stuckey, joined Buck to discuss her new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion." Clay calls in from the Tunnel to Towers charity golf tournament in NYC. Early voter callers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now, thanks
for being here with us. Clay is on the golf
course with Tumulented Towers raising money today, great cause we
love talented towers. And Clay is promising three hundred and
fifty yard drives all day to day. Is that a lot, guys?
I don't know. Three hundred and fifty that's what he says.
That's easy, he says he can do that with one hand.
(00:23):
So we'll see how it goes. I've got a lot
to dive into here with the latest and the Kamalok
campaign for all of you. They were in hysterics this
morning on Morning Joe, which I watch, as you know,
over the threat that Trump poses not just to our
democracy but now to your safety. They've really elevated it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
To he's gonna deny an election to he's gonna send
the military after you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
He's not going to send the military after people like
Stalin or something. Okay, this is insane, but this is
how desperate they are. This is the kind of stuff
they are saying. And they're also trying to tell everybody
that it is Trump who is the crazy one. Remember
they ran a dementia patient, as I said that on
(01:11):
Bill Maher if you remember, they didn't even argue with me,
because it's true. Okay, we've gone from like, how dare
you in morning?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Joe sharpest he's ever been. Gosh, you should see him.
I was out on the badminton court and I've never
seen Joe Biden. So hey, the whole thing is insane.
But they don't argue with that anymore. They admit that
he has cognitive issues whatever you want to call it,
I mean enility, something like that. And now they're telling
you that Trump is unfit and that he's going to
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send the military after you because he's like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
A crazy monster dictator. Man is cut six play it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His staff won't let him do a sixty minutes interview.
Every president for the last half century has done on
anyone who's running for president. Everyone has done it except
Donald Trump. He will not debate me again. I put
out my medical records. He won't put out his medical record.
And you have to ask why is the staff doing that,
And it may be because they think he's just not
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ready and unfit and unstable and should not have that
level of transparency for the American people. There's a real
choice in the selection.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Ah, yes, Kamala Harris, the transparency candidate, transparent fraud. This
is absurd. This is the candidate who didn't do an
interview at all at all of any kind, including with
those whose only job, and I mean this is to
kiss up to democrats of you, CBS News, CNN. Their
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only job is to kiss up to them when they
get a chance to talk to an important Democrat. She
didn't do that for what was it, forty something days
after a candidacy, right, something like forty some odd days. Why?
Because the plan was, let's just let the media carry
this thing over the finish line for her. Oops, it
wasn't working. And now the plan is, let's pretend that
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with voting already underway and two weeks to go. The
problem is the lack of access to Donald Trump. This
is living in the upside down world. This is crazy town, Okay,
This is the opposite of real phil This is some
other universe. Donald Trump is out there constantly speaking, two
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people speaking exemporaneously, doing live events, doing his little dance
which I can't really it's kind of like sort of
does the hands, you know, and he it's almost like
mister Roboto but a little more, a little more trumpy.
But Trump is a guy who also we know who
he is, we know what he thinks, we know what
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he wants to do. Well, what else is there? All right?
I think the guy who practically lives in the spotlight.
And Kamala Harris is saying, not enough transparency, not enough
honesty with Trump to go in sixty minutes, And I
just say this sixty minutes is a dishonest broker in this,
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just like CBS is a dishonest broker in this. I
wouldn't subject him to that now because also, what are
they gonna do? It's all so tiresome, isn't it? But
what about the insurrection? What about January? See the insurrection
of this stuff? The stuff our democracy? It wasn't an insurrection.
Joe Biden has been president for four years and he
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stinks at it. Okay, democracy continued, Everything was fine. You know,
there was a riot, people got too rowdy. It ended
within a few hours. The transfer of power happened the end.
He was commander in chief. If he really wanted to
order a coup, he could have ordered a coup. And
you know what, people wouldn't go along with that. In
this country. The military wouldn't just be like, oh, he's
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ordering us to you know, attack the capital. That's not
He never ordered anyone to attack the capital the whole.
But you see, they have to turn this into some
tale of morality, some pseudo, some fable, if you will,
because if you look at this just based on the
merits and based on the reality of what these two
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individuals are offering up. And I'll say this. Charles Cook
is a writer at National Review. I've known Charles many years.
I don't I wouldn't say. I don't know if he's
a never Trumper or not. Technically, like if he said
I truly will never vote for Donald Trump. He is
right of center in his views. He does not like
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Donald Trump that much. He's made very clear. So he's
but he doesn't do this thing. So this is the difference.
He doesn't vote for Democrats and he doesn't He wrote
an article I saw at a National Review. And he's
not a guy who just throws bombs and everything. He's
just like, look, I just Kamala Harris is an idiot.
He's like, I just gotta be honest. And she's actually
just an idiot. She's not a smart person. She is
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not capable. There is no part of anything that we
know about her that makes you think that she should
have a lot of power and a lot of decision
making and that she has any wisdom. And he used
the words in his piece, or use the word idiot.
He's just like that's the bottom line. She's just an idiot.
And you know, like I said, he's not somebody that
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would you know, he doesn't call all Democrats stupid, doesn't
call and he's been very critical of Trumpet a whole
range of ways. I don't know how many of you
are even familiar with his work. He's a very good writer.
I like Charles, you know. And he isn't an He
isn't a Lincoln Project guy. He isn't a arm the
real conservative who only helps Democrats win. Kamala Harris is
just not very smart. This is the truth. He's not
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very impressive. You know, when I was arguing against you know,
when I've been arguing against people like in the past.
You know, during the twenty twelve election for Barack Obama,
for Barack Obama's I wasn't in I wasn't in media
right when he won the first time. Second time, I
was like, I don't like Barack Obama's policies. I don't
like what he's doing. I don't like the socialist and
you know, the socialist approach that he has to things.
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But I wasn't saying he's so dumb. I don't think
Barack Obama was dumb. I you know, Joe Biden, I
think he's pretty dumb, but like, he's not that dumb.
You look at these. I'd never argue that Bill Clinton
is dumb. He's not dumb. Okay, So this, this is
a thing that we don't want to do. We're just
everyone we disagree with this dumb. This is like on
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the what I did, Bill Marshow, I'm winning all the arguments.
So I'm just I'm ugly and I'm a misogynist. Like
this is the main argument against my arguments for a politician, right,
Like you're so ugly, you're a misogynist. I hate you,
you know, shave your beard whatever. Like there's just all
this stuff that has nothing to do with anything. That's
that's what the left does. I don't want to do that.
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Kamala Harris is cognitively not up for this in a
different way than Joe Biden. It's not sinility, it's he's
just not very bright. And that's what I see. And
I think that this is one of the problems that
they have with this campaign is the more that she
is exposed to everybody, the more I mean anyone who
is still thinking about who to vote for, which is
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a very small part of the country. But the more
that she's exposed to them, the worse it is for
the Democrats. That much as obvious. And then there's Tim Walls,
who's supposed to be He's supposed to be the mask
going you know a guy you can go terrry a
shotgun with, and yeah, man, Tim Walls so manly, just
(08:23):
waiting for him to kick back with a bud light
while he's watching Sex in the City. Here he is.
This is him talking to everybody telling them that, uh,
you got to be careful. Trump's going to use the
military against the other side. Play nine.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Donald Trump over the weekend was talking about using the
US army against people who disagree with him. Just so
you're clear about that, that's you, That's what he's talking about.
This is not some mythical thing out there. He called
it the enemy within and to Donald Trump, anybody who
doesn't agree with him is the enemy. I tell you that,
not to make you fearful or anything. I tell you
that because we need to whip his button, put this
guy behind us.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, he's telling you that to make you fearful. Of course,
I mean, you won't be fearful, but he's saying that
to his audience to scare them, to make them think,
oh my gosh, he's gonna use the military against us.
What I think is also left out of this discussion
so much, and I don't feel like I can change this,
but I think it's important for you to hear it.
(09:19):
If you're gonna talk about totalitarian use of government resources
and government force against the American people, nothing can compare
to what Joe Biden did in his first year in
office under the auspices of COVID. So far, okay, that
blows away anything they can say. The the you better,
(09:41):
you better mask up on the planes, and you better
get the shot or else the federal government is gonna
fi your office to get you fired from your job,
using OSHA to create some like super health tyranny. That
I mean it was, and the whole Winter of Death
speech that he gave or remember that it's gonna be
a winner of death for everyone. Don't get the vaccine.
(10:01):
Awful awful stuff. And that was Democrats, And that was
for a virus that was dangerous to old people with
health conditions just like the flu is, just like a
lot of other things are. And that is really it.
And people with extreme immune issues, which is a small
percentage of the population that again is at risk from
a lot of things, that is it. I mean, if
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we had had a virus with COVID that had something
closer to the Spanish influenza, which was about a three
to a five percent fatality rate that overwhelmingly affected twenty
to forty year olds, so people that should be in
their prime health with peak immunity or peak immune system function.
And if we had had something even I mean, it
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would have been it would have been shock troops out
in the streets, you know, taking everybody's pets from them,
putting vaccine number fifteen into your arm. I mean, it
just would have been out of control. Because that's how
they think, that's who they are. It fundamentally, the Democrats
come for a position of emotional and sie pychological weakness.
If they don't have the state controlling other people. If
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they don't have the ability to make you do things
that you don't want to do, they are terrified, They
feel vulnerable, they feel unsafe, and this is the great
risk to all the rest of us because they don't
believe in freedom. I mean, the most amazing thing is
how much they've tried to make this about, oh, the
freedom to control woman's bodies. It's the only time they'll
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use the word freedom. They don't believe in free speech,
they don't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe
in the freedom to be able to defend yourself and
the right to bear arms. The only freedom they agree
with is abortion. All nine months of for pregnancy. That
is it. That is it. Not a lot of freedom
for the baby in the womb, only one thing for
the baby in the womb. But they have twisted all
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this upside down, and they're getting desperate, and it's getting ugly.
And that's what you have to remember. It is getting
ugly because they are losing. To say that Trump would
use the military against his political opponents is crazy because
I know, I know Trump. He's not going to do that,
all right, That's not who he is. Trump wants. Six
months into a Trump presidency, you know what he's going
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to be doing. Talking about how he proud he is
of the ceasefiing train, talking about how great the booming
economy is, talking about how inflation has finally been put
on a trajectory of you know, control at least, talking
about how trade and manufacturers coming back to America, and
how the border is secure. Okay, he's not going to
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be imprisoning people who you know, said mean things about
I'm on MSNBC. He doesn't care now, I know they
want to do that to him. But bring it back
to foundational philosophical differences between left and right in America.
Now we are the ones who are saying, no, we
have to abide my principle. No, we don't lock up
people we don't like, even when they break the law.
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Sometimes if we think it's in the best interest the country.
Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton broke the law. Hillary Clinton should
have had to take a guilty plea for classified documents,
and Donald Trump didn't do that. They have now brought
all these criminal executions against Trump, hoping that he would
lose the election and then they can actually send him
to some kind of a you know, senior wing of
a federal penitentiary. They really want to do it. They
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were channing locker up.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Kamala is like, oh gosh, what do I do. We're
supposed to be the adults in the room as Democrats.
They're channing lock him up, rather lock him up for
Donald Trump. And if they had their way, they would
do it. They would do it. They would actually put
him in a cell. And they're lecturing us about decorum.
They're giving us talks about, you know, our sacred democracy
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and all this stuff. I would say they should be ashamed,
but they have no shame. I was just talking to
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just thought this
was funny. There's a CNN headline as I'm talking to
you right now that CNN visits the most pro Trump
county in Georgia, almost like they're going to the edge
the volcano or you know, trying to take the rig
to the edge of mordor you know, like the most
pro Trump county. Oh man, that's funny. I hope they
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were there, you know, hope they had their helmets on
for the trip to the most pro Trump county in
Georgia for CNN. Huh man. They must be so freaked
out by that Greg in Oklahoma City? What's up? Greg?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Buck, really enjoy your show, followed you guys for a
long time. What I wanted to say was, I'm a
retired lieutenant colonel. And this idea that the military is
just gonna do whatever a sitting president is going to
tell them to do is insulting.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
The military takes an oath, which by the way, extends
past your retirement, But we take an oath to the Constitution,
not to an individual. So to have a candidate say
that somehow the military is going to become become a
bunch of stormtroopers and start a seen opposition just isn't true.
That's what they do in the Soviet Union, that's what
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they do in other dictatorial states. The military in the
United States doesn't do that. It's an oath to the
Constitution first and foremost, and then all the politics is
left to the politicians.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Totally agree with you, And I've said this all along.
It's an insult. So much of what they say, the
Democrats say about Trump is an insult to the military.
It's also just an insult to all Trump voters, as
if we would stand by and support and allow something
like that to happen. But in this case, they're very
specifically saying that the military would follow an unlawful order,
which they would not do. They would not follow in
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order to you know, throw you know, Chuck Schumer in
the brig just because Trump says so, they would not
do that. So you know it is disrespect to the military.
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We're joined by Ali Beth stuckey new book Toxic Empathy,
How Progressives exploit Christian compassion ale grit. To have you
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back on the show.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I actually, can I ask you before we get into
toxic empathy. I don't know if you saw I was
on Bill Maher. We talked about toxic masculinity, which is
also just known to Democrats as masculinity. Seems to me
like hating men might have electoral consequences. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Oh, you know what, I think the tide is turning
on that book. I mean, you saw that amazing ad
where they had those six or five really macho guys
that were complete manly men, totally organic support of Kamala
Harris there. I'm sure that probably even made you question
whether or not you were going to vote for Donald
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Trump just based on their manly men at alone. And so,
I don't know, I think Democrats have basically nailed this
whole masculinity thing based on what I'm seeing from Kamala.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, well, when they said that they had that one
guy who said, I eat Carburerators for breakfast. I it's
like no guy who has ever even opened the hood
of a car ever in his life says I eat
carburetors for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty it's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the
book there's five primary lies, and you have them listened
as lies. Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces
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of Kamala's campaign, but also really got the Democrat party overall.
There are some of us ouly who worry that if
Kamala is able to squeak across the finish line, is
it just because of this issue and its residence. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position.
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there. Those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
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exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms. They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
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to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great. Here is how
it works, this is what you should vote for. Because
they understand that the barbarism that is abortion is actually
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very unpopular, so they have to lie and use the
toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
It also bothers me Aley because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game. By these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
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weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it. Because
most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong, and that can be used
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in a really good way. The problem is when it's
exploited for toxic or harmful means, and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heartrending story, and by they, I
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mean the left wing media, and they lead you to
the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral position
to take is the progressive one. So if you really
love women, then you will support her choice to have
an abortion. If you really love the immigrant and the
sojourner and the foreigner, then you will open up the border.
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And it goes like that on every issue, whether it's
criminal justice or whether it's the transgender issue. They pull
at your heart strings and make you think that the
only righteous position to take is theirs, and unfortunately that
dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, very aggressively
in recent years, including under the Biden administration. Right, Biden's
supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or whatever.
Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition for
teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
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But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal? Just
use the preferred pronuns. Don't be a jerk, Use the
preferred pronounce. What's the big deal, don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right,
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
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make this person feel bad you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Exactly. It always starts out with, well, how does this
hurt you? And I know this is controversial to say,
even among some conservative audiences, but it goes back further
than the pronouns. It goes back to a Bergefell. It
goes back to redefining marriage because love is love is
the same math as trans women are women. It's the
same kind of circular mantra that goes into the idea
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that men and women are interchangeable, that there's nothing special
about male and female. HU been in wife, mom and dad.
These are just social constructs that we can exchange, interchange
as we see fit. And that's how we got this
idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa.
But you're absolutely right. It capitalizes on our desire to
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not be seen as bad, to not be seen as rude,
to not be seen as a Karen, to be tolerant,
to be loving, and then once they've gotten in with
that kind of emotional manipulation, they can go a little
bit further, in a little bit further until you're saying, well,
the empathetic and loving and righteous thing to do is
to subsidize child sex changes. And unfortunately that's where we are.
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But hopefully we can call our way back with some
good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're laying out and dissecting some of
the big lies that manipulate and there really feels something
demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of getting
bad things to happen, right, I mean that seems very luciferian.
But how do you try to fortify people for the
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fight ahead on issues like this and how do you
deal with that. I'm a good person. I want to
be a good person, but that doesn't mean just going
along with whatever moral blackmail the left is offering.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that, hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate. That's not
the route that I take in the book. I actually
give a lot of credit to the heartstring pulling strategy
that the left very often employees to get people to
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vote for them. But then I look at the other side,
of the story. So I tell a story from their
perspective of an illegal alien who fled here from Mexico
with her children got deported. Obviously, the Washington Post when
they told that story they wanted us to be against importation.
But then I tell an equally heartrending story of Kate Steinley,
who of course was shot in the back by an
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illegal alien in San Francisco thirty two years old, died
in her dad's arm, saying help me, daddy. That was
a preventable murder. She should be alive today, she should
be a mother, married, thriving, but she's not because of
the intentional and deliberate open border policies that we have.
So there are people on both sides of every issue
that should get our empathy and compassion. But then we
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have to ask ourselves what is true and what is right?
What is true and right morally?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
What is true?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And write logically, scientifically, but also as a Christian what
is true and right biblically, And that should be our
guide in policy making, not how we feel.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Ali Bethstucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic Empathy,
How Progressives exploit Christian compassions. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, Thank you so much. Great
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Speaker 1 (30:04):
Welcome back here, everybody. We're closing up shop here and
we have a special guest hearing on the program live
from the golf course in view of Lady Liberty, yourself
the Statue of Liberty, mister Clay Travis Clay, Yo, is
it true that you were a scratch golfer today? And
did you really hit a drive that was three hundred
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and eighty yards? You got to tell the people, yes.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Exactly by the way, I am on the positive side
looking out over the Statue of Liberty from Liberty National
Golf Course, which is a phenomenal place. Tunnel to towers.
We're gonna raise millions of dollars for tunnel the towers tonight.
I'm in seeing the event once we get off the
course for about thirteen or fourteen holes in. We have
one stud who used to play golf at the University
(30:49):
of Florida that has carried the team Verdi the past
three got an eagle, so it's been fun to watch
him hit the ball. Not so much me. I will
tell you though, Buck this morning, and I don't know
if you mentioned this, I got up started looking at
the gambling odds and it made my golf round a
little bit more fun. Trump is surging right now and
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Kamala is collapsing in the marketplace. Everybody's got to go vote.
I'm going to go vote this week. I'm eligible to
be able to go vote early Thursday and Tennessee. I'm
going to get back home hopefully late tonight after doing
the MC event here. And I got to tell you, like,
there is really good momentum out there, so I feel
very positive about where we're headed.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And so you kept it on the fairway. You did
us proud, well done. What are the betting odds? I mean,
where is Trump now? Is he is he getting almost
out of sixty percent? What's the what are the numbers?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
He's pushing fifty nine percent to win, which is the
highest he's been since July. And honestly, some of the
polls are looking decent. But at this point we're talking
about two billion, and that's billion with a b that's
been wagered on this. I think some of the data
and analytics and gurus are looking at some of the
early returns in early voting and getting engaged that Pavel
(32:04):
is not turning out like the Democrats did in twenty twenty,
and that as a result, Republicans are surging. And I
would just say, you know, add more steam here, make
sure that you get your vote in, make sure that
you get your ballot in, and if you've already done it,
go find people to help get it in because I
think it's a massive difference maker and we are really
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all moving in the right direction. So I want to
give a little positivity there. I'm actually about to take
a shot here, Buck, so I'm going to hang up
with you, but encourage people to go check out tunnel
to Hours, and I know we had a good day
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for American history and the innate goodness of America against
the communists that are trying to cancel you because you
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work them on, Bill Maher, I'd encourage people to check
out crocketcofee dot com too.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Clay. I'm going to step into your caddie here I
go seven iron. I can't see the shot, but I just.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
It's funny you say that. I'm literally pulling the seven
iron out right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Boom.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
See everybody, this is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The mind meld we have here. I can see through
Clay's eyes on the course. Hey man, thank you for
what you're doing for T T T. We love those guys.
Give Frank a hug from us and uh and uh
go go score some golf points whatever that means, thank you, buddy, go.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I mean, he's hit the dart right now.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh hopefully. Wait, Clay, you gotta hang up. Clay, you
gotta hang up whereveryone's gonna hear your the rest of
your golf game.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
The cursing there, Buck, But that might have been the
shot of the day for the team there that I
just hit while while you were hanging out on air,
Josh our caddy, would you say that's the shot of
the day for me? Shot of the day from me?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There we go, Okay, Clay Travis, everybody, Clay will see
you tomorrow, my friend. I'm just saying I'm kind of
a good luck charm. I call in all of a sudden,
the guy's getting a hole in one, you know, what
I mean, I call the seven iron. You know, maybe
Buck's got a future here. Maybe he's got a future.
I'd be a great caddye. So we have oh something
to tell you. We mentioned the talk back feature on
the iHeart app, and you don't have to be VP
(34:01):
for this. You just pressed the little microphone. You go
to Clay and Buck in the iHeart app, you press
the little microphone and you can send in a message.
Keep it clean. Producer Greg is a very nice man,
and we don't want his ears being assaulted with any
So even if you're a communist, want to tell us,
you know, we don't want to have to bleep out
stuff and whatever. All right, Producer Greg is a very
nice man. Uh, and he'll be going through those messages.
(34:23):
But we did get one that we wanted to share
with you. And this is, uh, this is from you
know who's Jim. Jim and Cleveland use the talk back feature.
Here's how it went play.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Not sure it matters because I'm in Ohio, but just
voted early for the first time ever. Kind of wanted
to wear a shirt that said Clay and Bucks me
but but anyway, Yeah, it was kind of weird, but
it was pretty packed and we got to pull this
one off.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
There we go. You know, we don't have a Clay
and Buck sent me t shirts. We will soon have
Crockett t shirts, so as you can get yourself one
of those. But thank you for sharing that with this. Yeah,
it's got to be early vote. And as we've explained
to you, early voting isn't just uh, it's a strategy, right,
It's not just something that we're saying because, oh, if
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you vote early, you're not gonna you know, because I
think some people here they go, don't worry. I know
where my polling place is. I know I can get there.
I have no Yeah, but if you vote early, the
ballot chase operations in your state, especially I'm talking about
now in those swing states, can put the time and
resources into getting other people that are lower propensity voters
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to get to the ballots or to turn in their ballots.
Jim in Denver, Colorado, you got something from me, Jim,
what's up?
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Two things?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Two things?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Buck, I just voted here early in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
So thank you for that reminder. My question to you
is if you had the chance to interview Kamala Harris
or if you were Brett Bair tomorrow night. What's the
one question.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You'd want to ask her? I would, I would just
keep getting a response on you've changed your mind on
a lot of issues. You say your values haven't changed.
Why did you change your mind on those issues? And
just go through them one by one, explain why no
longer because if you've shifted your beliefs, okay, you should
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know why. But that's what she's been able to escape
on because what that gets to is that her whole
campaign is it's a campaign of phoniness. The whole thing
is a fraud. It is meant to fool enough voters,
not convince enough voters. And that's a very big difference.
All Right, I'll be in Florida Marrow Klayoby in Tennessee.
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Show will be the two of us. It'll be fantastic.
We're counting days to election day, everybody, so be sure
to be with us. Talk to you then,
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now, thanks
for being here with us. Clay is on the golf
course with Tumulented Towers raising money today, great cause we
love talented towers. And Clay is promising three hundred and
fifty yard drives all day to day. Is that a lot, guys?
I don't know. Three hundred and fifty that's what he says.
That's easy, he says he can do that with one hand.
(00:23):
So we'll see how it goes. I've got a lot
to dive into here with the latest and the Kamalok
campaign for all of you. They were in hysterics this
morning on Morning Joe, which I watch, as you know,
over the threat that Trump poses not just to our
democracy but now to your safety. They've really elevated it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
To he's gonna deny an election to he's gonna send
the military after you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
He's not going to send the military after people like
Stalin or something. Okay, this is insane, but this is
how desperate they are. This is the kind of stuff
they are saying. And they're also trying to tell everybody
that it is Trump who is the crazy one. Remember
they ran a dementia patient, as I said that on
(01:11):
Bill Maher if you remember, they didn't even argue with me,
because it's true. Okay, we've gone from like, how dare
you in morning?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Joe sharpest he's ever been. Gosh, you should see him.
I was out on the badminton court and I've never
seen Joe Biden. So hey, the whole thing is insane.
But they don't argue with that anymore. They admit that
he has cognitive issues whatever you want to call it,
I mean enility, something like that. And now they're telling
you that Trump is unfit and that he's going to
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send the military after you because he's like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
A crazy monster dictator. Man is cut six play it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
His staff won't let him do a sixty minutes interview.
Every president for the last half century has done on
anyone who's running for president. Everyone has done it except
Donald Trump. He will not debate me again. I put
out my medical records. He won't put out his medical record.
And you have to ask why is the staff doing that,
And it may be because they think he's just not
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ready and unfit and unstable and should not have that
level of transparency for the American people. There's a real
choice in the selection.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Ah, yes, Kamala Harris, the transparency candidate, transparent fraud. This
is absurd. This is the candidate who didn't do an
interview at all at all of any kind, including with
those whose only job, and I mean this is to
kiss up to democrats of you, CBS News, CNN. Their
(02:41):
only job is to kiss up to them when they
get a chance to talk to an important Democrat. She
didn't do that for what was it, forty something days
after a candidacy, right, something like forty some odd days. Why?
Because the plan was, let's just let the media carry
this thing over the finish line for her. Oops, it
wasn't working. And now the plan is, let's pretend that
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with voting already underway and two weeks to go. The
problem is the lack of access to Donald Trump. This
is living in the upside down world. This is crazy town, Okay,
This is the opposite of real phil This is some
other universe. Donald Trump is out there constantly speaking, two
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people speaking exemporaneously, doing live events, doing his little dance
which I can't really it's kind of like sort of
does the hands, you know, and he it's almost like
mister Roboto but a little more, a little more trumpy.
But Trump is a guy who also we know who
he is, we know what he thinks, we know what
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he wants to do. Well, what else is there? All right?
I think the guy who practically lives in the spotlight.
And Kamala Harris is saying, not enough transparency, not enough
honesty with Trump to go in sixty minutes, And I
just say this sixty minutes is a dishonest broker in this,
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just like CBS is a dishonest broker in this. I
wouldn't subject him to that now because also, what are
they gonna do? It's all so tiresome, isn't it? But
what about the insurrection? What about January? See the insurrection
of this stuff? The stuff our democracy? It wasn't an insurrection.
Joe Biden has been president for four years and he
(04:32):
stinks at it. Okay, democracy continued, Everything was fine. You know,
there was a riot, people got too rowdy. It ended
within a few hours. The transfer of power happened the end.
He was commander in chief. If he really wanted to
order a coup, he could have ordered a coup. And
you know what, people wouldn't go along with that. In
this country. The military wouldn't just be like, oh, he's
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ordering us to you know, attack the capital. That's not
He never ordered anyone to attack the capital the whole.
But you see, they have to turn this into some
tale of morality, some pseudo, some fable, if you will,
because if you look at this just based on the
merits and based on the reality of what these two
(05:13):
individuals are offering up. And I'll say this. Charles Cook
is a writer at National Review. I've known Charles many years.
I don't I wouldn't say. I don't know if he's
a never Trumper or not. Technically, like if he said
I truly will never vote for Donald Trump. He is
right of center in his views. He does not like
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Donald Trump that much. He's made very clear. So he's
but he doesn't do this thing. So this is the difference.
He doesn't vote for Democrats and he doesn't He wrote
an article I saw at a National Review. And he's
not a guy who just throws bombs and everything. He's
just like, look, I just Kamala Harris is an idiot.
He's like, I just gotta be honest. And she's actually
just an idiot. She's not a smart person. She is
(05:54):
not capable. There is no part of anything that we
know about her that makes you think that she should
have a lot of power and a lot of decision
making and that she has any wisdom. And he used
the words in his piece, or use the word idiot.
He's just like that's the bottom line. She's just an idiot.
And you know, like I said, he's not somebody that
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would you know, he doesn't call all Democrats stupid, doesn't
call and he's been very critical of Trumpet a whole
range of ways. I don't know how many of you
are even familiar with his work. He's a very good writer.
I like Charles, you know. And he isn't an He
isn't a Lincoln Project guy. He isn't a arm the
real conservative who only helps Democrats win. Kamala Harris is
just not very smart. This is the truth. He's not
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very impressive. You know, when I was arguing against you know,
when I've been arguing against people like in the past.
You know, during the twenty twelve election for Barack Obama,
for Barack Obama's I wasn't in I wasn't in media
right when he won the first time. Second time, I
was like, I don't like Barack Obama's policies. I don't
like what he's doing. I don't like the socialist and
you know, the socialist approach that he has to things.
(06:59):
But I wasn't saying he's so dumb. I don't think
Barack Obama was dumb. I you know, Joe Biden, I
think he's pretty dumb, but like, he's not that dumb.
You look at these. I'd never argue that Bill Clinton
is dumb. He's not dumb. Okay, So this, this is
a thing that we don't want to do. We're just
everyone we disagree with this dumb. This is like on
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the what I did, Bill Marshow, I'm winning all the arguments.
So I'm just I'm ugly and I'm a misogynist. Like
this is the main argument against my arguments for a politician, right,
Like you're so ugly, you're a misogynist. I hate you,
you know, shave your beard whatever. Like there's just all
this stuff that has nothing to do with anything. That's
that's what the left does. I don't want to do that.
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Kamala Harris is cognitively not up for this in a
different way than Joe Biden. It's not sinility, it's he's
just not very bright. And that's what I see. And
I think that this is one of the problems that
they have with this campaign is the more that she
is exposed to everybody, the more I mean anyone who
is still thinking about who to vote for, which is
(08:00):
a very small part of the country. But the more
that she's exposed to them, the worse it is for
the Democrats. That much as obvious. And then there's Tim Walls,
who's supposed to be He's supposed to be the mask
going you know a guy you can go terrry a
shotgun with, and yeah, man, Tim Walls so manly, just
(08:23):
waiting for him to kick back with a bud light
while he's watching Sex in the City. Here he is.
This is him talking to everybody telling them that, uh,
you got to be careful. Trump's going to use the
military against the other side. Play nine.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Donald Trump over the weekend was talking about using the
US army against people who disagree with him. Just so
you're clear about that, that's you, That's what he's talking about.
This is not some mythical thing out there. He called
it the enemy within and to Donald Trump, anybody who
doesn't agree with him is the enemy. I tell you that,
not to make you fearful or anything. I tell you
that because we need to whip his button, put this
guy behind us.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, he's telling you that to make you fearful. Of course,
I mean, you won't be fearful, but he's saying that
to his audience to scare them, to make them think,
oh my gosh, he's gonna use the military against us.
What I think is also left out of this discussion
so much, and I don't feel like I can change this,
but I think it's important for you to hear it.
(09:19):
If you're gonna talk about totalitarian use of government resources
and government force against the American people, nothing can compare
to what Joe Biden did in his first year in
office under the auspices of COVID. So far, okay, that
blows away anything they can say. The the you better,
(09:41):
you better mask up on the planes, and you better
get the shot or else the federal government is gonna
fi your office to get you fired from your job,
using OSHA to create some like super health tyranny. That
I mean it was, and the whole Winter of Death
speech that he gave or remember that it's gonna be
a winner of death for everyone. Don't get the vaccine.
(10:01):
Awful awful stuff. And that was Democrats, And that was
for a virus that was dangerous to old people with
health conditions just like the flu is, just like a
lot of other things are. And that is really it.
And people with extreme immune issues, which is a small
percentage of the population that again is at risk from
a lot of things, that is it. I mean, if
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we had had a virus with COVID that had something
closer to the Spanish influenza, which was about a three
to a five percent fatality rate that overwhelmingly affected twenty
to forty year olds, so people that should be in
their prime health with peak immunity or peak immune system function.
And if we had had something even I mean, it
(10:43):
would have been it would have been shock troops out
in the streets, you know, taking everybody's pets from them,
putting vaccine number fifteen into your arm. I mean, it
just would have been out of control. Because that's how
they think, that's who they are. It fundamentally, the Democrats
come for a position of emotional and sie pychological weakness.
If they don't have the state controlling other people. If
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they don't have the ability to make you do things
that you don't want to do, they are terrified, They
feel vulnerable, they feel unsafe, and this is the great
risk to all the rest of us because they don't
believe in freedom. I mean, the most amazing thing is
how much they've tried to make this about, oh, the
freedom to control woman's bodies. It's the only time they'll
(11:24):
use the word freedom. They don't believe in free speech,
they don't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe
in the freedom to be able to defend yourself and
the right to bear arms. The only freedom they agree
with is abortion. All nine months of for pregnancy. That
is it. That is it. Not a lot of freedom
for the baby in the womb, only one thing for
the baby in the womb. But they have twisted all
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this upside down, and they're getting desperate, and it's getting ugly.
And that's what you have to remember. It is getting
ugly because they are losing. To say that Trump would
use the military against his political opponents is crazy because
I know, I know Trump. He's not going to do that,
all right, That's not who he is. Trump wants. Six
months into a Trump presidency, you know what he's going
(12:06):
to be doing. Talking about how he proud he is
of the ceasefiing train, talking about how great the booming
economy is, talking about how inflation has finally been put
on a trajectory of you know, control at least, talking
about how trade and manufacturers coming back to America, and
how the border is secure. Okay, he's not going to
(12:28):
be imprisoning people who you know, said mean things about
I'm on MSNBC. He doesn't care now, I know they
want to do that to him. But bring it back
to foundational philosophical differences between left and right in America.
Now we are the ones who are saying, no, we
have to abide my principle. No, we don't lock up
people we don't like, even when they break the law.
(12:49):
Sometimes if we think it's in the best interest the country.
Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton broke the law. Hillary Clinton should
have had to take a guilty plea for classified documents,
and Donald Trump didn't do that. They have now brought
all these criminal executions against Trump, hoping that he would
lose the election and then they can actually send him
to some kind of a you know, senior wing of
a federal penitentiary. They really want to do it. They
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were channing locker up.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Kamala is like, oh gosh, what do I do. We're
supposed to be the adults in the room as Democrats.
They're channing lock him up, rather lock him up for
Donald Trump. And if they had their way, they would
do it. They would do it. They would actually put
him in a cell. And they're lecturing us about decorum.
They're giving us talks about, you know, our sacred democracy
(13:33):
and all this stuff. I would say they should be ashamed,
but they have no shame. I was just talking to
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. I just thought this
was funny. There's a CNN headline as I'm talking to
you right now that CNN visits the most pro Trump
county in Georgia, almost like they're going to the edge
the volcano or you know, trying to take the rig
to the edge of mordor you know, like the most
pro Trump county. Oh man, that's funny. I hope they
(16:10):
were there, you know, hope they had their helmets on
for the trip to the most pro Trump county in
Georgia for CNN. Huh man. They must be so freaked
out by that Greg in Oklahoma City? What's up? Greg?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (16:23):
Buck, really enjoy your show, followed you guys for a
long time. What I wanted to say was, I'm a
retired lieutenant colonel. And this idea that the military is
just gonna do whatever a sitting president is going to
tell them to do is insulting.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
The military takes an oath, which by the way, extends
past your retirement, But we take an oath to the Constitution,
not to an individual. So to have a candidate say
that somehow the military is going to become become a
bunch of stormtroopers and start a seen opposition just isn't true.
That's what they do in the Soviet Union, that's what
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they do in other dictatorial states. The military in the
United States doesn't do that. It's an oath to the
Constitution first and foremost, and then all the politics is
left to the politicians.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Totally agree with you, And I've said this all along.
It's an insult. So much of what they say, the
Democrats say about Trump is an insult to the military.
It's also just an insult to all Trump voters, as
if we would stand by and support and allow something
like that to happen. But in this case, they're very
specifically saying that the military would follow an unlawful order,
which they would not do. They would not follow in
(17:40):
order to you know, throw you know, Chuck Schumer in
the brig just because Trump says so, they would not
do that. So you know it is disrespect to the military.
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We're joined by Ali Beth stuckey new book Toxic Empathy,
How Progressives exploit Christian compassion ale grit. To have you
(19:06):
back on the show.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I actually, can I ask you before we get into
toxic empathy. I don't know if you saw I was
on Bill Maher. We talked about toxic masculinity, which is
also just known to Democrats as masculinity. Seems to me
like hating men might have electoral consequences. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Oh, you know what, I think the tide is turning
on that book. I mean, you saw that amazing ad
where they had those six or five really macho guys
that were complete manly men, totally organic support of Kamala
Harris there. I'm sure that probably even made you question
whether or not you were going to vote for Donald
(19:47):
Trump just based on their manly men at alone. And so,
I don't know, I think Democrats have basically nailed this
whole masculinity thing based on what I'm seeing from Kamala.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, well, when they said that they had that one
guy who said, I eat Carburerators for breakfast. I it's
like no guy who has ever even opened the hood
of a car ever in his life says I eat
carburetors for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty it's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the
book there's five primary lies, and you have them listened
as lies. Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces
(20:37):
of Kamala's campaign, but also really got the Democrat party overall.
There are some of us ouly who worry that if
Kamala is able to squeak across the finish line, is
it just because of this issue and its residence. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position.
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there. Those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
(21:13):
exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms. They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
(21:35):
to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great. Here is how
it works, this is what you should vote for. Because
they understand that the barbarism that is abortion is actually
(21:57):
very unpopular, so they have to lie and use the
toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
It also bothers me Aley because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game. By these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
(22:24):
weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it. Because
most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong, and that can be used
(22:49):
in a really good way. The problem is when it's
exploited for toxic or harmful means, and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heartrending story, and by they, I
(23:11):
mean the left wing media, and they lead you to
the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral position
to take is the progressive one. So if you really
love women, then you will support her choice to have
an abortion. If you really love the immigrant and the
sojourner and the foreigner, then you will open up the border.
(23:32):
And it goes like that on every issue, whether it's
criminal justice or whether it's the transgender issue. They pull
at your heart strings and make you think that the
only righteous position to take is theirs, and unfortunately that
dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, very aggressively
in recent years, including under the Biden administration. Right, Biden's
supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or whatever.
Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition for
teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
(24:06):
But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal? Just
use the preferred pronuns. Don't be a jerk, Use the
preferred pronounce. What's the big deal, don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right,
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
(24:26):
make this person feel bad you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Exactly. It always starts out with, well, how does this
hurt you? And I know this is controversial to say,
even among some conservative audiences, but it goes back further
than the pronouns. It goes back to a Bergefell. It
goes back to redefining marriage because love is love is
the same math as trans women are women. It's the
same kind of circular mantra that goes into the idea
(24:55):
that men and women are interchangeable, that there's nothing special
about male and female. HU been in wife, mom and dad.
These are just social constructs that we can exchange, interchange
as we see fit. And that's how we got this
idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa.
But you're absolutely right. It capitalizes on our desire to
(25:18):
not be seen as bad, to not be seen as rude,
to not be seen as a Karen, to be tolerant,
to be loving, and then once they've gotten in with
that kind of emotional manipulation, they can go a little
bit further, in a little bit further until you're saying, well,
the empathetic and loving and righteous thing to do is
to subsidize child sex changes. And unfortunately that's where we are.
(25:40):
But hopefully we can call our way back with some
good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're laying out and dissecting some of
the big lies that manipulate and there really feels something
demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of getting
bad things to happen, right, I mean that seems very luciferian.
But how do you try to fortify people for the
(26:07):
fight ahead on issues like this and how do you
deal with that. I'm a good person. I want to
be a good person, but that doesn't mean just going
along with whatever moral blackmail the left is offering.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that, hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate. That's not
the route that I take in the book. I actually
give a lot of credit to the heartstring pulling strategy
that the left very often employees to get people to
(26:45):
vote for them. But then I look at the other side,
of the story. So I tell a story from their
perspective of an illegal alien who fled here from Mexico
with her children got deported. Obviously, the Washington Post when
they told that story they wanted us to be against importation.
But then I tell an equally heartrending story of Kate Steinley,
who of course was shot in the back by an
(27:06):
illegal alien in San Francisco thirty two years old, died
in her dad's arm, saying help me, daddy. That was
a preventable murder. She should be alive today, she should
be a mother, married, thriving, but she's not because of
the intentional and deliberate open border policies that we have.
So there are people on both sides of every issue
that should get our empathy and compassion. But then we
(27:28):
have to ask ourselves what is true and what is right?
What is true and right morally?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
What is true?
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And write logically, scientifically, but also as a Christian what
is true and right biblically, And that should be our
guide in policy making, not how we feel.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Ali Bethstucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic Empathy,
How Progressives exploit Christian compassions. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, Thank you so much. Great
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Welcome back here, everybody. We're closing up shop here and
we have a special guest hearing on the program live
from the golf course in view of Lady Liberty, yourself
the Statue of Liberty, mister Clay Travis Clay, Yo, is
it true that you were a scratch golfer today? And
did you really hit a drive that was three hundred
(30:25):
and eighty yards? You got to tell the people, yes.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Exactly by the way, I am on the positive side
looking out over the Statue of Liberty from Liberty National
Golf Course, which is a phenomenal place. Tunnel to towers.
We're gonna raise millions of dollars for tunnel the towers tonight.
I'm in seeing the event once we get off the
course for about thirteen or fourteen holes in. We have
one stud who used to play golf at the University
(30:49):
of Florida that has carried the team Verdi the past
three got an eagle, so it's been fun to watch
him hit the ball. Not so much me. I will
tell you though, Buck this morning, and I don't know
if you mentioned this, I got up started looking at
the gambling odds and it made my golf round a
little bit more fun. Trump is surging right now and
(31:09):
Kamala is collapsing in the marketplace. Everybody's got to go vote.
I'm going to go vote this week. I'm eligible to
be able to go vote early Thursday and Tennessee. I'm
going to get back home hopefully late tonight after doing
the MC event here. And I got to tell you, like,
there is really good momentum out there, so I feel
very positive about where we're headed.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And so you kept it on the fairway. You did
us proud, well done. What are the betting odds? I mean,
where is Trump now? Is he is he getting almost
out of sixty percent? What's the what are the numbers?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
He's pushing fifty nine percent to win, which is the
highest he's been since July. And honestly, some of the
polls are looking decent. But at this point we're talking
about two billion, and that's billion with a b that's
been wagered on this. I think some of the data
and analytics and gurus are looking at some of the
early returns in early voting and getting engaged that Pavel
(32:04):
is not turning out like the Democrats did in twenty twenty,
and that as a result, Republicans are surging. And I
would just say, you know, add more steam here, make
sure that you get your vote in, make sure that
you get your ballot in, and if you've already done it,
go find people to help get it in because I
think it's a massive difference maker and we are really
(32:25):
all moving in the right direction. So I want to
give a little positivity there. I'm actually about to take
a shot here, Buck, so I'm going to hang up
with you, but encourage people to go check out tunnel
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Speaker 1 (32:50):
Clay. I'm going to step into your caddie here I
go seven iron. I can't see the shot, but I just.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
It's funny you say that. I'm literally pulling the seven
iron out right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Boom.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
See everybody, this is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
The mind meld we have here. I can see through
Clay's eyes on the course. Hey man, thank you for
what you're doing for T T T. We love those guys.
Give Frank a hug from us and uh and uh
go go score some golf points whatever that means, thank you, buddy, go.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I mean, he's hit the dart right now.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh hopefully. Wait, Clay, you gotta hang up. Clay, you
gotta hang up whereveryone's gonna hear your the rest of
your golf game.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
The cursing there, Buck, But that might have been the
shot of the day for the team there that I
just hit while while you were hanging out on air,
Josh our caddy, would you say that's the shot of
the day for me? Shot of the day from me?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
There we go, Okay, Clay Travis, everybody, Clay will see
you tomorrow, my friend. I'm just saying I'm kind of
a good luck charm. I call in all of a sudden,
the guy's getting a hole in one, you know, what
I mean, I call the seven iron. You know, maybe
Buck's got a future here. Maybe he's got a future.
I'd be a great caddye. So we have oh something
to tell you. We mentioned the talk back feature on
the iHeart app, and you don't have to be VP
(34:01):
for this. You just pressed the little microphone. You go
to Clay and Buck in the iHeart app, you press
the little microphone and you can send in a message.
Keep it clean. Producer Greg is a very nice man,
and we don't want his ears being assaulted with any
So even if you're a communist, want to tell us,
you know, we don't want to have to bleep out
stuff and whatever. All right, Producer Greg is a very
nice man. Uh, and he'll be going through those messages.
(34:23):
But we did get one that we wanted to share
with you. And this is, uh, this is from you
know who's Jim. Jim and Cleveland use the talk back feature.
Here's how it went play.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Not sure it matters because I'm in Ohio, but just
voted early for the first time ever. Kind of wanted
to wear a shirt that said Clay and Bucks me
but but anyway, Yeah, it was kind of weird, but
it was pretty packed and we got to pull this
one off.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
There we go. You know, we don't have a Clay
and Buck sent me t shirts. We will soon have
Crockett t shirts, so as you can get yourself one
of those. But thank you for sharing that with this. Yeah,
it's got to be early vote. And as we've explained
to you, early voting isn't just uh, it's a strategy, right,
It's not just something that we're saying because, oh, if
(35:12):
you vote early, you're not gonna you know, because I
think some people here they go, don't worry. I know
where my polling place is. I know I can get there.
I have no Yeah, but if you vote early, the
ballot chase operations in your state, especially I'm talking about
now in those swing states, can put the time and
resources into getting other people that are lower propensity voters
(35:35):
to get to the ballots or to turn in their ballots.
Jim in Denver, Colorado, you got something from me, Jim,
what's up?
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Two things?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Two things?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Buck, I just voted here early in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
So thank you for that reminder. My question to you
is if you had the chance to interview Kamala Harris
or if you were Brett Bair tomorrow night. What's the
one question.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You'd want to ask her? I would, I would just
keep getting a response on you've changed your mind on
a lot of issues. You say your values haven't changed.
Why did you change your mind on those issues? And
just go through them one by one, explain why no
longer because if you've shifted your beliefs, okay, you should
(36:18):
know why. But that's what she's been able to escape
on because what that gets to is that her whole
campaign is it's a campaign of phoniness. The whole thing
is a fraud. It is meant to fool enough voters,
not convince enough voters. And that's a very big difference.
All Right, I'll be in Florida Marrow Klayoby in Tennessee.
(36:40):
Show will be the two of us. It'll be fantastic.
We're counting days to election day, everybody, so be sure
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