March 11, 2025 • 36 mins
The blame game of government shutdowns. Public negotiations versus private. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt slaps down an Associated Press reporter who tries, unsuccessfully, to test her knowledge of economics. Fake news. Fentanyl. Buck's dinner conversation about illegal immigration and deportation with Republicans. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink on President Trump's mass deportations. America is not the world's soup kitchen. CNN's Van Jones says the Democrat Party is screwed. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson on the difference between free speech and violent protests. Mahmoud Khalil, a former graduate student at Columbia, arrested by ICE agents and threatened with deportation for orchestrating violent antisemitic protests. Intellectual honesty. The pendulum will swing, keep that in mind. Leave us a Talkback message on the iHeart Radio app.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now and we've
got some updates for you on the looming government shutdown situation.
Is it going to happen? Is it going to turn
into a blame game? We will see, but it will
all be fine. And if the system has to get
(00:23):
a little bit of a jolt here and there, well
that's to be expected. So I think we have to
put some degree of trust in the agenda right now,
and that means a bit of faith in the plans
of the people that we have elected or have been
chosen by those we have elected on the Trump in
the Trump White House to get the job done. And
(00:45):
there's because remember, there's a lot of horse trading and
conversations behind closed doors with these members of Congress that
none of us will ever be told about. So there's
what is presented to us in the public, and then
there's what the negotiations sound like when the cameras are
not around.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, we always keep that in mind.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We've got Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, who
has had to take some incoming from reporters. I think
they're starting to feel their stuff a little more in
the fake news. They are finding that any day where
anything bad happens is an opportunity to blame Trump. Which
is fine. We knew this would happen. This isn't even
(01:25):
This is in no way a surprise. This is no
way outside of the realm of what our expectations were here.
So just as we go through this, remember that this
is the best they've got, and we've got our best.
We've got some fantastic people in this White House. Caroline
Levitt though, had quite an exchange. This just happened in
the last hour, quite an exchange over in the White
(01:47):
House with an AP reporter. This is cut twenty nine.
I want to let you listen in enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He's actually not implementing tax hikes. Tariffs are a tax
hike on foreign countries that again have beenping. I saw
if tariffs are a tax cut for the American people.
And the President is a stunt advocate of tax cuts.
As you know, he campaigned on no taxes on tips,
no taxes on overtime, no taxes on Social Security benefits.
He is committed to all three of those things, and
(02:15):
he expects Congress to pass them later this year.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I'm sorry, have you ever paid a tariff? Because I
have don't get charged on foreign companies. They get charged
on the importers.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And ultimately, when we have fair and balanced trade, which
the American people have not seen in decades, as I
said at the beginning, revenues will stay here, wages will
go up, and our country will be made wealthy again.
And I think it's insulting that you are trying to
test my knowledge of economics and the decisions that this
president has made. I now regret giving a question to
(02:46):
the Associated President.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean he was just being disrespectful. Have you
ever paid tariff? What is this guy like, the tariff
king or something? Have you ever paid a tariff?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I have. Look, this brings us back to the first
hour discussion, which is again, tariffs are a tool. They
are not a catch all. They are not always appropriate
or always wise, but they can get concessions from the
other side. Notice, we have all kinds of agreements with
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countries that make distinctions between the countries in terms of
trade access to our markets. You know, we're not buying
any oil from Iran, my friends, or at least we're not
supposed to be right. We make all kinds of determinations
that are economic, but have greater implications or other implications
as well. Who gets to come here easily versus who
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has to really struggle to get a visa. We make
determinations which obviously affects our economy. Right, There are all
kinds of things, all kinds of complexities that go into this,
and just the simple the simple approach of tariff bad,
freach trade good, okay, but we don't have free trade.
(04:04):
So what do we do about the tariffs that are
in place already against US producers? What is a better
options thing? Look, you're gonna tear if us, We're gonna
tear if you get rid of your tariff.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Like Trump is just doing this because he enjoys well,
I mean he is Trump. He enjoys messing with the system.
But he's not just doing this because it makes him jolly.
He's doing it because he thinks there is something that
the US can gain in response. So if it means
removing a terror from a country then against US, then
(04:38):
that's one aspect of this. It also could be a
change in policy. As I said, Mexico needs to get
a handle on the US Mexico border and needs to
help us with the human trafficking problem, the drug trafficking problem,
the cartels, all of it. And that matters even more
than the price of eggs, believe it or not, that
stuff man. One hundred thousand Americans dead from fentanyl overdose,
(05:01):
think of all the criminality. You know, we often are
talking about the fentanyl problem as the first The first
thing you see is how many people die, and that's
it's heartbreaking. And I know it's it's technically it's all opioids,
including heroin, which isn't fentanyl. But of the one hundred
(05:21):
thousand overdose deaths a year, and I know the number
is a little bit more than that, but it's roughly
one hundred thousand a year now. Not long ago it
was I think a team check me on this one.
If you go back thirty years, I think the overdoses
were more like twenty or thirty thousand. It was way
less fifteen or twenty thousand, way less than it is now.
Fentanyl is cheap to make, easy to transport, you know,
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it's not you don't have to grow it in the
jungle somewhere, and it's just an absolute scourge. But the
same way that we look at the overdose death number
and realize that it's terrible. We need to see that
there are all of these tribute teares of despair that
come off that river. There are all these different branches
(06:05):
of that tree. There is all the illegal activity that
is funded by the drug trade. Right, there's all the
gangs that get wealthy or you know, make money for
themselves from selling these drugs, not just the cartels I
mean in this country, and the other activities that they're
involved in, you know, human trafficking, you know the violence
(06:28):
that they're involved in. And then for every person that
dies of a drug overdose, there's a family that is
that is has lost a loved one. There's a community
that has to mourn that death. Right, So the expansiveness
of that problem, there's a I don't think of this generally.
In this turn, there's the lost economic opportunity of Americans
(06:49):
of working age who are gone.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Now. I know you could say, oh, well, they had
all kinds of problems and that's why they were all drugs. Yeah,
but we can, we can.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
There are a lot of people that have been able
to beat their addictions. A lot of people have been
able to overcome that, and this is absolutely critical. Yeah,
here we go. The team pulled this for me. In
nineteen ninety five, the US had about twelve thousand overdose
deaths in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Twelve thousand. Now we're over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
To give you a sense of the scale of the problem,
because you know, one of the issues is now we're
it's been years of one hundred thousand plus, one hundred
thousand plus, and you start to become.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Not numb to it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But I guess it doesn't have the same resonance in
public policy debate because oh, well, I guess we're just
stuck at one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Now, no wish that number. Let's get back to ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Let's get back to ten thousand, and then let's try
to get down to zero, which I mean, that's never
It's like getting rid of all murder.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I know that's never going to happen. But these are
the goals that we should have.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I bring this up in the context of tariffs, though,
because a big part of this is making sure that
I've we got border patrol people listening, which I'm always honored,
and we have all different kinds of law enforcement that tune.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Into this show, and I try to always both.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Be informative about the issues that they are true experts
on it, and always of course be fair to them
and the mission that they do and the.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Challenges of it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Talk to Border Patrol about their the Mexican partners on
the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, they just they just say, you got to
be kidding me. They don't you know, they don't care.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Now it's getting a little better under Trump, But for
years then they got other problems. They got bribes to collect.
They don't have time to stop human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So and this is from this is from Border Patrol
guys to me. This is what they've told me. It's
not like I'm just assuming this. They said, oh yeah,
Mexican partners the other side, well that should be better,
that should be a better relationship, and not just because
we're not going to get there by appealing to the
altruism of the Mexican authorities and the sense of teamwork.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know, that's not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I think that that's very important. One other thing here,
the deportation issue, this is gonna be this is gonna
be a huge challenge for the Trump administration in all
in all, senses, political will, logistical challenge they don't have.
I mean, right now, I saw I think it was
on Fox News today six hundred illegals were rounded up
(09:21):
and gonna and you know, dangerously gang members, rapist. That
the fact that this has like a novel idea for
Trump to come in.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Just think about this for a second.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Trump comes in, he goes, you know what, the people
who are in the country illegally to begin with, who
are also committing heinous crimes against Americans. They gotta go,
how is this not the policy already? I know it
wasn't and I know why, but it is hard for
(09:51):
your brain, I think, to comprehend for for people of
any integrity, who believe in the rule of law, who
believe in public safety, that there has to be a
push that Trump has to spend any time in political
capital on Hey, we're getting rid of the murderer, rapist,
(10:12):
you know, drug dealer, illegal aliens in this country and
sending them back to their countries where they belong, of course, right,
but no not. Of course Democrats aren't, as you know,
on board for that. But even a lot of the
corporatists out there and the donor class are as you know,
(10:32):
very favorable in general, were very favorable toward illegal immigration.
And I remember I was at a dinner. I guess
I can't remember if it was technically off the record.
It was with a bunch of very very well known conservatives, okay,
and there was a donor at the table, a sort
of a donor class person.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I should say, I would tell you.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm not trying to be coy, but if anything with
me is ever off the you know, if rather if
anyone is at non attribution or we don't talk about
the names that people were here, I take that very seriously.
But I can say what the discussion was because the
discussion was about illegals, and the donor person was like, well,
how am I going to get people to work in
my in my factories? How am I going to get
people work my factories that we don't have the illegals
(11:13):
to do it. I remember looking at this person. I
actually engaged on this. I said, what do you mean
there's no special skill set? You just want people who
are not covered under the laws in the state that
they're in when it comes to employment because they're illegals,
so they they're not going to go and complain or
you know, they're not going to be part of a
collective bargaining agreement and you're gonna have all You're going
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to underpay them, exploit them, and then hand all the
social costs English as a second language, training, emergency room
for first line medical care. Uh, you know, all of
that stuff gets foisted on too, like people that are
working for a living that don't own, you know, one
hundred million dollar factories. Right, That's that's the game plan.
(11:59):
So I thought this was interesting, and that was a conservative,
by the way, or I should say a Republican at
least that was a Republican making this. What do you
mean how without the illegals, how will anyone work in
my factories? The Industrial Revolution was not based on illegal
immigrants from Mexico, Like, we'll figure it out. Here's the
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CEO of Blackrock, a massive financial institution that has done
a lot of damage with its wokeness and what it fought.
Oh my god, I do a whole hour on this alone.
But here's the CEO of Blackstone who's saying, oh, if
you deport the illegals, bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Play sixteen.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I do believe deportations in the speed at which of
this is happening, is going to have severe impact on
the agricultural sector. In the construction sector. I've talked to
CEOs and the ag sector and they remind me that
seventy percent of the men and women who work in
the ag culture were not born in the United States.
Of the construction workers were not born in the United States.
(12:57):
You add that up and what's going on? I think
we're gonna start sing, especially when spring and the spring
crops arrive. Are we going to have enough workers to
harvest the crops? And now you know, with the whole
idea that we're gonna have to use a private capital
to build out this economy, are we going to have
enough workers. I've even told members of the Trump team
(13:19):
that we're going to run out of electricians as we
build out AI data centers. We just don't have enough.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, hold on a second. Notice that he says is
not born in this country. Yeah, a lot of people
are not born in this country and they come here legally.
Is that what he's talking about. He's the CEO of
Blackrock is saying, well, we have all these people in
the agricultural industry were weren't born in this country. All right,
are they legal immigrants, because that's a big distinct. We're
talking about illeg legal immigrants are not being well. I'll
(13:48):
talk about one case where somebody who's legal immigant is
about to get deported in a second. But in general,
this is not about legal immigrants. It's about illegal immigrants.
But also we've seen what we begin to be to
become more familiar with importing the third world and people
who are going to be dependent on state resources when
we're thirty six trillion dollars in debt and can't seem
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to get our spending under control. Is not going to
make us wealthier. Again, take it back to the fundamentals.
Take it back to the basic truth that we can
all understand. Bringing in people who are going to need
more state resources and support is not going to make
us a wealthier country. If that were the case, the
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people coming in could make the countries they come from
wealthy countries. But that's not happening, is it. Why is
that the case? There is something unique about America. It
is not just an economic zone. This is not the
world's soup kitchen. It is Americans who make this place
special and have made it special so no matter what
(14:53):
Larry Fink says over at Blackrock.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
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Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I want to take a little moment of happy time
here for a second, and to do so, I will
take our attention over to CNN, believe it or not,
to CNN, and it is to hear how Van Jones
feels about where the Democrats are these days. I think
you're going to really enjoy this, So kickback, relax, enjoy
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the show, cut twenty five. Play in terms of Democrats
and where they go from here, they still seem to
be wandering around.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Try and figure this out. What's your take?
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Can we ask another question? During talking about my own party?
Can we talk about Ukraine or something. No, No, look man,
where where's screwed? I mean, we don't know. No, Democrats
don't know what to do. This is a nightmare, you know,
somebody like Donald Trump. We thought we'd at least have
you know, Keem Jefferies and the Speaker's chair to hold
him back. If we didn't have Commlin there to do
(17:11):
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's a nightmare for Democrats right now. So keep that
in mind as our side is trying to figure out
how to get more done and do important work, whether
it's on whether it's on spending or tariffs or the border.
The Democrat opposition is still in complete and utter disarray.
And I think that that's good for us, it's good
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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I was
mentioning before this story about mah Mood Khalil. This is
(19:06):
getting a lot of attention right now. New York Times
and others all uh in up in arms about this.
So let's let's look at what this story is. You
will you will remember and we talked about it here
on the show. There were some just outrageous anti Semitic protests,
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and protest doesn't really cover it because some of it
was threats, trespassing, destruction of property. There were crimes that
were committed. Now I'm not saying these are all serious
felonies or you know, there's some, but there were there
were crimes that were committed on campus. And Trump has
said that they can either clean up their act or
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they're going to lose. I think they're set set to
lose hundreds of millions of dollars at Columbia in federal grants.
Why are private institutions like Columbia getting hundreds of millions
of dollars of taxpayer money? Very good question, shouldn't something
to be looked at. We're going to look at that.
But this case is interesting to me. There's a lot
of back and forth. The Speaker of the House just
(20:09):
you know, it's already gone up to that level. Speaker
of aus Johnson took time from the ongoing wrangling of
members of Congress for the Continuing Resolution to address this,
and he said, this is cut eighteen. Here's speaker Mike
Johnson play it.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
If you're on a student visa. I'm gonna say this clearly,
If you were on a student visa and you're in
America and you're an aspiring young terrorist who wants to
prey upon your Jewish classmates, you're going home. We're going
to arrest your tale, and we're going to send you
home where you belong. And that this is just getting started.
So look, I appreciate free speech. I used to defend
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it in courts, but this is far beyond the palel
of that. When you were threatening your classmates and spewing
anti Semitism and all this hatred, it's enough. And I
think the American people understand that they're supporting it, and
I'm glad we have a president who's strong enough to
lay down the law.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So I've got a lot of thoughts about this, and
I do want to hear from some of your old
We're going to be coming to close the show here
pretty soon, so maybe get your talkbacks ready and your
emails ready, because we won't have that much time for calls.
Here's here's what I see on this. This guy was
part of these Columbia protests. Machmood Khalil. We'll just call
him Khalil from here here on out in Arabic class.
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My Arabic name was Khaled for those who want to
know back in the day. It's been a while I
could still write it, I guess if I had to.
So yeah, anyway, So this guy, Khalil, he was arrested
at his home by ICE agents and is facing deportation.
He's a big pro Palestinian guy. Now this is where
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it all gets kind of This is where a lot
of the fighting happens, right because they say, well, you're
allowed to be pro Palestinian. Okay, yeah, you're allowed to
be pro Palestinian. Sure, I'm talking about First Amendment stuff.
But are you proposed sitting your pro Hamas? AMA's a
terrorist entity. If you are selling T shirts to raise
money for Hamas, it's a designated terrorist. And I'm not
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saying he did this. I'm just working through some of
the the you know, the intricacies here of this of
this case. If you're selling T shirts or mugs, you know,
if you're selling a mug I heart Hamas. First of all,
you're a lunatic, second of all, and you're trying to
send that money to Hamas. That's material support to a
terrorist organization. I think you can get ten years ten
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years federal for that right. So that's clearly a violation.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Of the law. And that's for anybody. You're here as.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
An American Green carn hold, that doesn't matter any you
can't do that. You're you're in US jurisdiction of any
kind and you're doing some material support for terrorist organization. Now,
can you speak in favor of a terrorist organization under
the First Amendment?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Clearly you can.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So you can say, you know, you can't say that
I agreed with you know, the plans of Abu Bakkerel
Baghdadi to create a caliphate or something. You know, you
can say that, but you can't take any steps to
advance or assist or help because then again we get
back to material support.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You can't be a.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
US spokesman for that group. Then you're definitely going to
Gitmo or something. So there are places where this crosses
over very quickly. Here is what we know about this guy, Khalil.
He was at Columbia. He was a prominent a face
of these again they called them protests. It was really
and there were Jewish students who were you know, hounded
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and harassed on campus.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I hate all of that. Like you know, how I feel.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
About Israel's fight against Hamas, could not be more in
favor of Israel doing what it needs to defend itself.
You know how I feel about anti Semitism, and it
has no place anywhere, And here's the only place where
I have a little bit of a question about this.
On the one hand, I feel very strongly that if
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you're if you're a guest here, you've got to be
on meaning if you're not, you know, if you're somebody
who's visited, and this even includes people who have a
green card, you're not yet a citizen. If you break
the law, you gotta go. You gotta go, right that
I am, And that has not been the case. Is
we've seen him with a lot of there's so so
much of a lack of enforcement on this. But if
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you break the law, you got to go. And it
doesn't have to be like a rape or a murder.
It's just if you break the law and you are
charged with a crime, you gotta go. The issue that
I see here is this guy I don't believe has
been charged with any crime. I don't believe he's been
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charged with any crime. His behavior, from what I can
gather from everything, is abhorrent. I disagree with him on everything.
I think he's a scumbag. He's a guest in this country. Yes,
so he has that elevated that elevated expectation of you know,
you don't get to just do whatever like you don't get.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And now in the actual.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Laws that pertain to this with when it comes to immigration,
there are you know, there there are things that specifically
cite a desire to overthrow the United States by force.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Even so, there are ideological places where you you know,
the first of it, if you come to this country
and you're let's say you're from communist China and you
are visiting on a student visa and you start saying
out in public, I think that there should be a
violent revolution overthrow the United States government. I'm out, we can,
we can kick your butt out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That is in the law.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
There's no no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That is that is statute. I actually was reading the
statue before I came on this morning to make sure
a lot of immigrants statutes are ignored, as we know,
and that should not be the case because they are
existing law, just like all the other laws. With this guy,
where I think it gets interesting is has he if
he's going to be sent home as a as somebody
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who's here on a student visa as a Green card holder?
I've heard both. By the way, guys, can we check
on that? Is he a Green card holder? Or is
he here on a student visa? Or is it? Is it
one then the other?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Is it both? Got to check his status.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You should be on your best behavior here. You do
not have the full rights of a citizen here. Obviously
you can't vote. There's a whole bunch of things. If
you're a guest here, you should just be thankful and
total obedience to the law. If he broke the law,
and that's why we're sending him home, well there should
be there should at least be a charge filed right
(26:49):
that somebody should charge him with. And there's a bunch
that I think would apply here. Harassment, you know, intimidation,
menacing I believe is a statute in the Penal Code
in New York City, if memory serves, when I was
in the NYPD briefly the MYPD, and and I was
kind of like a hired nerd for the NYPD. I
wasn't doing the like real cop stuff. But I think
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menacing would be in there, you know, assault and battery,
destruction of property, any of that. But to say that
he's done it and therefore we're kicking him out without
him being charged with any of that, that I know,
he's a scumback. I don't like this guy or what
he stands for either, but we have there is due
like there is due process, we still do need due process.
(27:35):
So has he gotten that due process yet? That that
is a question.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That I have about this.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
A judge has already blocked, now I'm sure a left
wing judge his removal from the US pending an action
on habeas as in, why is this guy in custody?
This is going to get interesting because if he's in
custody for not you know, for saying bad things, Okay,
(28:07):
well that's not really a crime. If he's in custody
for breaking laws, let's bring that charge and then let's
go and let's find him guilty. And then let's send
his ass home. Very straightforward. Again, I'm all for you
have to behave and you have to obey the law
in this country, especially if you're a visitor or else
(28:28):
you go home. No, no offens or butts. But if
we're saying that he was trying to call for the violent,
I think he wanted to call for And by the way,
I'm raising questions here, I haven't been able to look
at everything this guy's ever said. And there's I think
he said he wants to the downfall of Western civilization, right,
And that's where we get to. Can you look at
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the downfall of Western civilization as the equivalent in statute
of a violent overthrow of the United States government?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Getting pretty close. This is this is where the judgment
starts to come in again. Anybody who wants the violent
overthrow of or the overthrow rather Western civilization, I'm opposed
to with every fiber of my being. It would be
a disaster, not just for those of us who live
in Western civilization, but for the rest of the world
because we kind of prop up civilization for everybody else too.
Just saying so, I want to see what exactly it
(29:23):
was that, uh, And this is going to come out
in the Habeas habeas corpus petition, right, this is what
they're fighting over. Okay, well, why is this guy in custody?
And I keep hearing all of these different things, and
now I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say this, is
this applicable in this case specifically applying to issues of
(29:45):
anti Semitism and anti Jewish speech on campus?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Is it going to be applied to other speech.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
On campus that is particularly uh problematic? And who is
going to determine what that problematic speech may be? I
bring it up because let's just fast forward. Forget about
where we are now. Our team, the good guys are
in charge, and I know it's like we trust them,
right for the most part.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You go to a.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
If I say AOC administration, you'll all just start laughing,
so you won't even follow the analogy.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But you go to a Gavin Newsom you're probably still.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Laughing a Gavin Newsom administration, and somebody on campus wants
to say or is saying things that are highly highly offensive.
Two Democrats are they going to be able to and
they're visiting, right, They're not an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
They do not full citizenship rights.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Our democrats can be able to say, you're calling for
the extermination of trans people, you're calling for violence against
trans people. I know you're gonna tell me, oh no,
come on, these people think that a man can become
a woman. You don't think they're gonna make this argument
at some point if we start to open this up again,
there has to be I just want to know what
the clear process is here. Mamood Khalils stands for everything,
(31:06):
stands against everything that I stand for on the issues
that concerns him, or on the reasons, and his anti
Semitism is vile and the guy shouldn't be in this country.
But I just want and this is where the Habeast
peedition comes in. We need clarity on what is the
reason that he's being removed. Because if the executive branch
can point to someone and say, well, you're a visitor here,
(31:28):
and I just don't like what you're saying, even if
in this case it's fully warranted, we totally agree with it,
there's a precedent that they can just tell people, oh no,
you're not allowed to come here, and say that you're
not allowed to come here as a as a refugee
from say, as a white refugee from South Africa, which
is another thing that Trump has been talking about and
(31:49):
talk about the state racism in South Africa against white
South Africa.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, no, no, not allowed.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
That that's creating, you know, racial disharmony in this country.
So you have to go home again in the Gavin
Newsom administration.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You see what I'm saying. I want clarity in this.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm not opposed to it, but I want some of
these answers because we need to be clear about what
the standard is. And the standard can't just be a
one off standard on this issue, as as awful as
the anti semitism stuff on campus was, because if it
is just speech we really don't like on campus. Remember
I wrote my college thesis on speech codes on campus, right,
(32:29):
So this is going back for me a long time.
I was thinking about this issue over twenty years ago
and researching it and looking at all the different speech
codes of a whole range of different schools. If it's
just going to be you say things that are really
heinous and bad and then they claim that somehow that's
inciting violence and then that's a violation of your student visa.
(32:53):
The other side's going to be empower at some point,
and I can assure you they will abuse this, which
is why the process matters. So I have a little
bit of a different take on this, I think than
some other people on the right right now. Inso much
as I want more, I just want I want more issues,
more answers rather and.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
More clarity on this one.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But yes, if you break the law and your visitor gone,
If you violate statute, you're a visitor gone. That that
is absolutely But you got to do one of those
to show me the violation the statute, show me where
the law is broken, and show me where the charge
has been leveled. It can't just be someone determines it
because they say so, right, I would think, unless I
(33:33):
guess maybe an immigration judge can just unilaterally decide based
on This is where you have to get very specific
in the immigration statute. That may be the case. Executive
branch may have full authority. Tell this guy that you know,
you go packing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I'm not opposed to that at all.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm for that. I just want to know what is
he being sent packing for. He's saying stupid, heinous things.
I need, I need more specificity than that if it's
overthrowing Western civilization is tantamount to overthrow the United States government,
well let's have this will come out in the Havieast petition,
by the way, so we will return to this issue.
(34:08):
But I wanted to be intellectually honest with you as
I work through this one and just see what's really
at issue, what's really going on here, because I know
right now it's like, Oh, our team is in charge,
and it's the pendulum will swing, my friends.
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Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now and we've
got some updates for you on the looming government shutdown situation.
Is it going to happen? Is it going to turn
into a blame game? We will see, but it will
all be fine. And if the system has to get
(00:23):
a little bit of a jolt here and there, well
that's to be expected. So I think we have to
put some degree of trust in the agenda right now,
and that means a bit of faith in the plans
of the people that we have elected or have been
chosen by those we have elected on the Trump in
the Trump White House to get the job done. And
(00:45):
there's because remember, there's a lot of horse trading and
conversations behind closed doors with these members of Congress that
none of us will ever be told about. So there's
what is presented to us in the public, and then
there's what the negotiations sound like when the cameras are
not around.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, we always keep that in mind.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We've got Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, who
has had to take some incoming from reporters. I think
they're starting to feel their stuff a little more in
the fake news. They are finding that any day where
anything bad happens is an opportunity to blame Trump. Which
is fine. We knew this would happen. This isn't even
(01:25):
This is in no way a surprise. This is no
way outside of the realm of what our expectations were here.
So just as we go through this, remember that this
is the best they've got, and we've got our best.
We've got some fantastic people in this White House. Caroline
Levitt though, had quite an exchange. This just happened in
the last hour, quite an exchange over in the White
(01:47):
House with an AP reporter. This is cut twenty nine.
I want to let you listen in enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He's actually not implementing tax hikes. Tariffs are a tax
hike on foreign countries that again have beenping. I saw
if tariffs are a tax cut for the American people.
And the President is a stunt advocate of tax cuts.
As you know, he campaigned on no taxes on tips,
no taxes on overtime, no taxes on Social Security benefits.
He is committed to all three of those things, and
(02:15):
he expects Congress to pass them later this year.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I'm sorry, have you ever paid a tariff? Because I
have don't get charged on foreign companies. They get charged
on the importers.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And ultimately, when we have fair and balanced trade, which
the American people have not seen in decades, as I
said at the beginning, revenues will stay here, wages will
go up, and our country will be made wealthy again.
And I think it's insulting that you are trying to
test my knowledge of economics and the decisions that this
president has made. I now regret giving a question to
(02:46):
the Associated President.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean he was just being disrespectful. Have you
ever paid tariff? What is this guy like, the tariff
king or something? Have you ever paid a tariff?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I have. Look, this brings us back to the first
hour discussion, which is again, tariffs are a tool. They
are not a catch all. They are not always appropriate
or always wise, but they can get concessions from the
other side. Notice, we have all kinds of agreements with
(03:20):
countries that make distinctions between the countries in terms of
trade access to our markets. You know, we're not buying
any oil from Iran, my friends, or at least we're not
supposed to be right. We make all kinds of determinations
that are economic, but have greater implications or other implications
as well. Who gets to come here easily versus who
(03:43):
has to really struggle to get a visa. We make
determinations which obviously affects our economy. Right, There are all
kinds of things, all kinds of complexities that go into this,
and just the simple the simple approach of tariff bad,
freach trade good, okay, but we don't have free trade.
(04:04):
So what do we do about the tariffs that are
in place already against US producers? What is a better
options thing? Look, you're gonna tear if us, We're gonna
tear if you get rid of your tariff.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Like Trump is just doing this because he enjoys well,
I mean he is Trump. He enjoys messing with the system.
But he's not just doing this because it makes him jolly.
He's doing it because he thinks there is something that
the US can gain in response. So if it means
removing a terror from a country then against US, then
(04:38):
that's one aspect of this. It also could be a
change in policy. As I said, Mexico needs to get
a handle on the US Mexico border and needs to
help us with the human trafficking problem, the drug trafficking problem,
the cartels, all of it. And that matters even more
than the price of eggs, believe it or not, that
stuff man. One hundred thousand Americans dead from fentanyl overdose,
(05:01):
think of all the criminality. You know, we often are
talking about the fentanyl problem as the first The first
thing you see is how many people die, and that's
it's heartbreaking. And I know it's it's technically it's all opioids,
including heroin, which isn't fentanyl. But of the one hundred
(05:21):
thousand overdose deaths a year, and I know the number
is a little bit more than that, but it's roughly
one hundred thousand a year now. Not long ago it
was I think a team check me on this one.
If you go back thirty years, I think the overdoses
were more like twenty or thirty thousand. It was way
less fifteen or twenty thousand, way less than it is now.
Fentanyl is cheap to make, easy to transport, you know,
(05:43):
it's not you don't have to grow it in the
jungle somewhere, and it's just an absolute scourge. But the
same way that we look at the overdose death number
and realize that it's terrible. We need to see that
there are all of these tribute teares of despair that
come off that river. There are all these different branches
(06:05):
of that tree. There is all the illegal activity that
is funded by the drug trade. Right, there's all the
gangs that get wealthy or you know, make money for
themselves from selling these drugs, not just the cartels I
mean in this country, and the other activities that they're
involved in, you know, human trafficking, you know the violence
(06:28):
that they're involved in. And then for every person that
dies of a drug overdose, there's a family that is
that is has lost a loved one. There's a community
that has to mourn that death. Right, So the expansiveness
of that problem, there's a I don't think of this generally.
In this turn, there's the lost economic opportunity of Americans
(06:49):
of working age who are gone.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Now. I know you could say, oh, well, they had
all kinds of problems and that's why they were all drugs. Yeah,
but we can, we can.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
There are a lot of people that have been able
to beat their addictions. A lot of people have been
able to overcome that, and this is absolutely critical. Yeah,
here we go. The team pulled this for me. In
nineteen ninety five, the US had about twelve thousand overdose
deaths in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Twelve thousand. Now we're over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
To give you a sense of the scale of the problem,
because you know, one of the issues is now we're
it's been years of one hundred thousand plus, one hundred
thousand plus, and you start to become.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Not numb to it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But I guess it doesn't have the same resonance in
public policy debate because oh, well, I guess we're just
stuck at one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Now, no wish that number. Let's get back to ten thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Let's get back to ten thousand, and then let's try
to get down to zero, which I mean, that's never
It's like getting rid of all murder.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I know that's never going to happen. But these are
the goals that we should have.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I bring this up in the context of tariffs, though,
because a big part of this is making sure that
I've we got border patrol people listening, which I'm always honored,
and we have all different kinds of law enforcement that tune.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Into this show, and I try to always both.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Be informative about the issues that they are true experts
on it, and always of course be fair to them
and the mission that they do and the.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Challenges of it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Talk to Border Patrol about their the Mexican partners on
the other side.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean, they just they just say, you got to
be kidding me. They don't you know, they don't care.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Now it's getting a little better under Trump, But for
years then they got other problems. They got bribes to collect.
They don't have time to stop human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's the truth.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So and this is from this is from Border Patrol
guys to me. This is what they've told me. It's
not like I'm just assuming this. They said, oh yeah,
Mexican partners the other side, well that should be better,
that should be a better relationship, and not just because
we're not going to get there by appealing to the
altruism of the Mexican authorities and the sense of teamwork.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know, that's not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I think that that's very important. One other thing here,
the deportation issue, this is gonna be this is gonna
be a huge challenge for the Trump administration in all
in all, senses, political will, logistical challenge they don't have.
I mean, right now, I saw I think it was
on Fox News today six hundred illegals were rounded up
(09:21):
and gonna and you know, dangerously gang members, rapist. That
the fact that this has like a novel idea for
Trump to come in.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Just think about this for a second.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Trump comes in, he goes, you know what, the people
who are in the country illegally to begin with, who
are also committing heinous crimes against Americans. They gotta go,
how is this not the policy already? I know it
wasn't and I know why, but it is hard for
(09:51):
your brain, I think, to comprehend for for people of
any integrity, who believe in the rule of law, who
believe in public safety, that there has to be a
push that Trump has to spend any time in political
capital on Hey, we're getting rid of the murderer, rapist,
(10:12):
you know, drug dealer, illegal aliens in this country and
sending them back to their countries where they belong, of course, right,
but no not. Of course Democrats aren't, as you know,
on board for that. But even a lot of the
corporatists out there and the donor class are as you know,
(10:32):
very favorable in general, were very favorable toward illegal immigration.
And I remember I was at a dinner. I guess
I can't remember if it was technically off the record.
It was with a bunch of very very well known conservatives, okay,
and there was a donor at the table, a sort
of a donor class person.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I should say, I would tell you.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I'm not trying to be coy, but if anything with
me is ever off the you know, if rather if
anyone is at non attribution or we don't talk about
the names that people were here, I take that very seriously.
But I can say what the discussion was because the
discussion was about illegals, and the donor person was like, well,
how am I going to get people to work in
my in my factories? How am I going to get
people work my factories that we don't have the illegals
(11:13):
to do it. I remember looking at this person. I
actually engaged on this. I said, what do you mean
there's no special skill set? You just want people who
are not covered under the laws in the state that
they're in when it comes to employment because they're illegals,
so they they're not going to go and complain or
you know, they're not going to be part of a
collective bargaining agreement and you're gonna have all You're going
(11:35):
to underpay them, exploit them, and then hand all the
social costs English as a second language, training, emergency room
for first line medical care. Uh, you know, all of
that stuff gets foisted on too, like people that are
working for a living that don't own, you know, one
hundred million dollar factories. Right, That's that's the game plan.
(11:59):
So I thought this was interesting, and that was a conservative,
by the way, or I should say a Republican at
least that was a Republican making this. What do you
mean how without the illegals, how will anyone work in
my factories? The Industrial Revolution was not based on illegal
immigrants from Mexico, Like, we'll figure it out. Here's the
(12:19):
CEO of Blackrock, a massive financial institution that has done
a lot of damage with its wokeness and what it fought.
Oh my god, I do a whole hour on this alone.
But here's the CEO of Blackstone who's saying, oh, if
you deport the illegals, bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Play sixteen.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I do believe deportations in the speed at which of
this is happening, is going to have severe impact on
the agricultural sector. In the construction sector. I've talked to
CEOs and the ag sector and they remind me that
seventy percent of the men and women who work in
the ag culture were not born in the United States.
Of the construction workers were not born in the United States.
(12:57):
You add that up and what's going on? I think
we're gonna start sing, especially when spring and the spring
crops arrive. Are we going to have enough workers to
harvest the crops? And now you know, with the whole
idea that we're gonna have to use a private capital
to build out this economy, are we going to have
enough workers. I've even told members of the Trump team
(13:19):
that we're going to run out of electricians as we
build out AI data centers. We just don't have enough.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, hold on a second. Notice that he says is
not born in this country. Yeah, a lot of people
are not born in this country and they come here legally.
Is that what he's talking about. He's the CEO of
Blackrock is saying, well, we have all these people in
the agricultural industry were weren't born in this country. All right,
are they legal immigrants, because that's a big distinct. We're
talking about illeg legal immigrants are not being well. I'll
(13:48):
talk about one case where somebody who's legal immigant is
about to get deported in a second. But in general,
this is not about legal immigrants. It's about illegal immigrants.
But also we've seen what we begin to be to
become more familiar with importing the third world and people
who are going to be dependent on state resources when
we're thirty six trillion dollars in debt and can't seem
(14:09):
to get our spending under control. Is not going to
make us wealthier. Again, take it back to the fundamentals.
Take it back to the basic truth that we can
all understand. Bringing in people who are going to need
more state resources and support is not going to make
us a wealthier country. If that were the case, the
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people coming in could make the countries they come from
wealthy countries. But that's not happening, is it. Why is
that the case? There is something unique about America. It
is not just an economic zone. This is not the
world's soup kitchen. It is Americans who make this place
special and have made it special so no matter what
(14:53):
Larry Fink says over at Blackrock.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
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I want to take a little moment of happy time
here for a second, and to do so, I will
take our attention over to CNN, believe it or not,
to CNN, and it is to hear how Van Jones
feels about where the Democrats are these days. I think
you're going to really enjoy this, So kickback, relax, enjoy
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the show, cut twenty five. Play in terms of Democrats
and where they go from here, they still seem to
be wandering around.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Try and figure this out. What's your take?
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Can we ask another question? During talking about my own party?
Can we talk about Ukraine or something. No, No, look man,
where where's screwed? I mean, we don't know. No, Democrats
don't know what to do. This is a nightmare, you know,
somebody like Donald Trump. We thought we'd at least have
you know, Keem Jefferies and the Speaker's chair to hold
him back. If we didn't have Commlin there to do
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mentioning before this story about mah Mood Khalil. This is
(19:06):
getting a lot of attention right now. New York Times
and others all uh in up in arms about this.
So let's let's look at what this story is. You
will you will remember and we talked about it here
on the show. There were some just outrageous anti Semitic protests,
(19:27):
and protest doesn't really cover it because some of it
was threats, trespassing, destruction of property. There were crimes that
were committed. Now I'm not saying these are all serious
felonies or you know, there's some, but there were there
were crimes that were committed on campus. And Trump has
said that they can either clean up their act or
(19:49):
they're going to lose. I think they're set set to
lose hundreds of millions of dollars at Columbia in federal grants.
Why are private institutions like Columbia getting hundreds of millions
of dollars of taxpayer money? Very good question, shouldn't something
to be looked at. We're going to look at that.
But this case is interesting to me. There's a lot
of back and forth. The Speaker of the House just
(20:09):
you know, it's already gone up to that level. Speaker
of aus Johnson took time from the ongoing wrangling of
members of Congress for the Continuing Resolution to address this,
and he said, this is cut eighteen. Here's speaker Mike
Johnson play it.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
If you're on a student visa. I'm gonna say this clearly,
If you were on a student visa and you're in
America and you're an aspiring young terrorist who wants to
prey upon your Jewish classmates, you're going home. We're going
to arrest your tale, and we're going to send you
home where you belong. And that this is just getting started.
So look, I appreciate free speech. I used to defend
(20:50):
it in courts, but this is far beyond the palel
of that. When you were threatening your classmates and spewing
anti Semitism and all this hatred, it's enough. And I
think the American people understand that they're supporting it, and
I'm glad we have a president who's strong enough to
lay down the law.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So I've got a lot of thoughts about this, and
I do want to hear from some of your old
We're going to be coming to close the show here
pretty soon, so maybe get your talkbacks ready and your
emails ready, because we won't have that much time for calls.
Here's here's what I see on this. This guy was
part of these Columbia protests. Machmood Khalil. We'll just call
him Khalil from here here on out in Arabic class.
(21:28):
My Arabic name was Khaled for those who want to
know back in the day. It's been a while I
could still write it, I guess if I had to.
So yeah, anyway, So this guy, Khalil, he was arrested
at his home by ICE agents and is facing deportation.
He's a big pro Palestinian guy. Now this is where
(21:49):
it all gets kind of This is where a lot
of the fighting happens, right because they say, well, you're
allowed to be pro Palestinian. Okay, yeah, you're allowed to
be pro Palestinian. Sure, I'm talking about First Amendment stuff.
But are you proposed sitting your pro Hamas? AMA's a
terrorist entity. If you are selling T shirts to raise
money for Hamas, it's a designated terrorist. And I'm not
(22:11):
saying he did this. I'm just working through some of
the the you know, the intricacies here of this of
this case. If you're selling T shirts or mugs, you know,
if you're selling a mug I heart Hamas. First of all,
you're a lunatic, second of all, and you're trying to
send that money to Hamas. That's material support to a
terrorist organization. I think you can get ten years ten
(22:31):
years federal for that right. So that's clearly a violation.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Of the law. And that's for anybody. You're here as.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
An American Green carn hold, that doesn't matter any you
can't do that. You're you're in US jurisdiction of any
kind and you're doing some material support for terrorist organization. Now,
can you speak in favor of a terrorist organization under
the First Amendment?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Clearly you can.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So you can say, you know, you can't say that
I agreed with you know, the plans of Abu Bakkerel
Baghdadi to create a caliphate or something. You know, you
can say that, but you can't take any steps to
advance or assist or help because then again we get
back to material support.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You can't be a.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
US spokesman for that group. Then you're definitely going to
Gitmo or something. So there are places where this crosses
over very quickly. Here is what we know about this guy, Khalil.
He was at Columbia. He was a prominent a face
of these again they called them protests. It was really
and there were Jewish students who were you know, hounded
(23:38):
and harassed on campus.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I hate all of that. Like you know, how I feel.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
About Israel's fight against Hamas, could not be more in
favor of Israel doing what it needs to defend itself.
You know how I feel about anti Semitism, and it
has no place anywhere, And here's the only place where
I have a little bit of a question about this.
On the one hand, I feel very strongly that if
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you're if you're a guest here, you've got to be
on meaning if you're not, you know, if you're somebody
who's visited, and this even includes people who have a
green card, you're not yet a citizen. If you break
the law, you gotta go. You gotta go, right that
I am, And that has not been the case. Is
we've seen him with a lot of there's so so
much of a lack of enforcement on this. But if
(24:28):
you break the law, you got to go. And it
doesn't have to be like a rape or a murder.
It's just if you break the law and you are
charged with a crime, you gotta go. The issue that
I see here is this guy I don't believe has
been charged with any crime. I don't believe he's been
(24:51):
charged with any crime. His behavior, from what I can
gather from everything, is abhorrent. I disagree with him on everything.
I think he's a scumbag. He's a guest in this country. Yes,
so he has that elevated that elevated expectation of you know,
you don't get to just do whatever like you don't get.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
And now in the actual.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Laws that pertain to this with when it comes to immigration,
there are you know, there there are things that specifically
cite a desire to overthrow the United States by force.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Even so, there are ideological places where you you know,
the first of it, if you come to this country
and you're let's say you're from communist China and you
are visiting on a student visa and you start saying
out in public, I think that there should be a
violent revolution overthrow the United States government. I'm out, we can,
we can kick your butt out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That is in the law.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
There's no no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That is that is statute. I actually was reading the
statue before I came on this morning to make sure
a lot of immigrants statutes are ignored, as we know,
and that should not be the case because they are
existing law, just like all the other laws. With this guy,
where I think it gets interesting is has he if
he's going to be sent home as a as somebody
(26:16):
who's here on a student visa as a Green card holder?
I've heard both. By the way, guys, can we check
on that? Is he a Green card holder? Or is
he here on a student visa? Or is it? Is it
one then the other?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Is it both? Got to check his status.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You should be on your best behavior here. You do
not have the full rights of a citizen here. Obviously
you can't vote. There's a whole bunch of things. If
you're a guest here, you should just be thankful and
total obedience to the law. If he broke the law,
and that's why we're sending him home, well there should
be there should at least be a charge filed right
(26:49):
that somebody should charge him with. And there's a bunch
that I think would apply here. Harassment, you know, intimidation,
menacing I believe is a statute in the Penal Code
in New York City, if memory serves, when I was
in the NYPD briefly the MYPD, and and I was
kind of like a hired nerd for the NYPD. I
wasn't doing the like real cop stuff. But I think
(27:11):
menacing would be in there, you know, assault and battery,
destruction of property, any of that. But to say that
he's done it and therefore we're kicking him out without
him being charged with any of that, that I know,
he's a scumback. I don't like this guy or what
he stands for either, but we have there is due
like there is due process, we still do need due process.
(27:35):
So has he gotten that due process yet? That that
is a question.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That I have about this.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
A judge has already blocked, now I'm sure a left
wing judge his removal from the US pending an action
on habeas as in, why is this guy in custody?
This is going to get interesting because if he's in
custody for not you know, for saying bad things, Okay,
(28:07):
well that's not really a crime. If he's in custody
for breaking laws, let's bring that charge and then let's
go and let's find him guilty. And then let's send
his ass home. Very straightforward. Again, I'm all for you
have to behave and you have to obey the law
in this country, especially if you're a visitor or else
(28:28):
you go home. No, no offens or butts. But if
we're saying that he was trying to call for the violent,
I think he wanted to call for And by the way,
I'm raising questions here, I haven't been able to look
at everything this guy's ever said. And there's I think
he said he wants to the downfall of Western civilization, right,
And that's where we get to. Can you look at
(28:49):
the downfall of Western civilization as the equivalent in statute
of a violent overthrow of the United States government?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
You know, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Getting pretty close. This is this is where the judgment
starts to come in again. Anybody who wants the violent
overthrow of or the overthrow rather Western civilization, I'm opposed
to with every fiber of my being. It would be
a disaster, not just for those of us who live
in Western civilization, but for the rest of the world
because we kind of prop up civilization for everybody else too.
Just saying so, I want to see what exactly it
(29:23):
was that, uh, And this is going to come out
in the Habeas habeas corpus petition, right, this is what
they're fighting over. Okay, well, why is this guy in custody?
And I keep hearing all of these different things, and
now I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say this, is
this applicable in this case specifically applying to issues of
(29:45):
anti Semitism and anti Jewish speech on campus?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Is it going to be applied to other speech.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
On campus that is particularly uh problematic? And who is
going to determine what that problematic speech may be? I
bring it up because let's just fast forward. Forget about
where we are now. Our team, the good guys are
in charge, and I know it's like we trust them,
right for the most part.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
You go to a.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
If I say AOC administration, you'll all just start laughing,
so you won't even follow the analogy.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
But you go to a Gavin Newsom you're probably still.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Laughing a Gavin Newsom administration, and somebody on campus wants
to say or is saying things that are highly highly offensive.
Two Democrats are they going to be able to and
they're visiting, right, They're not an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
They do not full citizenship rights.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Our democrats can be able to say, you're calling for
the extermination of trans people, you're calling for violence against
trans people. I know you're gonna tell me, oh no,
come on, these people think that a man can become
a woman. You don't think they're gonna make this argument
at some point if we start to open this up again,
there has to be I just want to know what
the clear process is here. Mamood Khalils stands for everything,
(31:06):
stands against everything that I stand for on the issues
that concerns him, or on the reasons, and his anti
Semitism is vile and the guy shouldn't be in this country.
But I just want and this is where the Habeast
peedition comes in. We need clarity on what is the
reason that he's being removed. Because if the executive branch
can point to someone and say, well, you're a visitor here,
(31:28):
and I just don't like what you're saying, even if
in this case it's fully warranted, we totally agree with it,
there's a precedent that they can just tell people, oh no,
you're not allowed to come here, and say that you're
not allowed to come here as a as a refugee
from say, as a white refugee from South Africa, which
is another thing that Trump has been talking about and
(31:49):
talk about the state racism in South Africa against white
South Africa.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, no, no, not allowed.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
That that's creating, you know, racial disharmony in this country.
So you have to go home again in the Gavin
Newsom administration.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
You see what I'm saying. I want clarity in this.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm not opposed to it, but I want some of
these answers because we need to be clear about what
the standard is. And the standard can't just be a
one off standard on this issue, as as awful as
the anti semitism stuff on campus was, because if it
is just speech we really don't like on campus. Remember
I wrote my college thesis on speech codes on campus, right,
(32:29):
So this is going back for me a long time.
I was thinking about this issue over twenty years ago
and researching it and looking at all the different speech
codes of a whole range of different schools. If it's
just going to be you say things that are really
heinous and bad and then they claim that somehow that's
inciting violence and then that's a violation of your student visa.
(32:53):
The other side's going to be empower at some point,
and I can assure you they will abuse this, which
is why the process matters. So I have a little
bit of a different take on this, I think than
some other people on the right right now. Inso much
as I want more, I just want I want more issues,
more answers rather and.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
More clarity on this one.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But yes, if you break the law and your visitor gone,
If you violate statute, you're a visitor gone. That that
is absolutely But you got to do one of those
to show me the violation the statute, show me where
the law is broken, and show me where the charge
has been leveled. It can't just be someone determines it
because they say so, right, I would think, unless I
(33:33):
guess maybe an immigration judge can just unilaterally decide based
on This is where you have to get very specific
in the immigration statute. That may be the case. Executive
branch may have full authority. Tell this guy that you know,
you go packing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I'm not opposed to that at all.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I'm for that. I just want to know what is
he being sent packing for. He's saying stupid, heinous things.
I need, I need more specificity than that if it's
overthrowing Western civilization is tantamount to overthrow the United States government,
well let's have this will come out in the Havieast petition,
by the way, so we will return to this issue.
(34:08):
But I wanted to be intellectually honest with you as
I work through this one and just see what's really
at issue, what's really going on here, because I know
right now it's like, Oh, our team is in charge,
and it's the pendulum will swing, my friends.
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