December 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into a mix of cultural, political, and economic debates that define today’s headlines. The hour opens with Clay and Buck discussing Australia’s groundbreaking decision to ban social media for everyone under 16, sparking a conversation about digital safety, parental responsibility, and whether similar measures could gain traction in the United States. From there, the hosts pivot to the high-stakes corporate battle over media consolidation, analyzing Netflix’s potential acquisition of Warner Brothers versus Paramount’s competing bid. Clay argues that these mergers will shape the future of news coverage and political discourse through 2026 and beyond, emphasizing how media ownership influences public opinion and elections.
The conversation then shifts to immigration and fraud, focusing on the Somali-American community in Minnesota and the explosive allegations of widespread misuse of government programs. Clay and Buck highlight former President Trump’s blunt criticism of Ilhan Omar and the systemic failures that allowed fraud to persist unchecked. They underscore how accusations of racism were used as a shield to block investigations, raising questions about accountability and the integrity of U.S. immigration policy. A viral video from a Vietnamese immigrant adds fuel to the discussion, contrasting the success of Vietnamese and Nigerian immigrants with the struggles of Somali communities, dismantling claims that racism alone explains economic disparities. The hosts argue that cultural attitudes toward education, entrepreneurship, and assimilation play a far greater role than skin color in determining success.
From immigration, the hour pivots to education and pandemic politics. Clay and Buck call out Teachers Union leader Randi Weingarten for falsely blaming Trump for school closures during COVID-19, labeling her comments as historical revisionism. They remind listeners that union resistance—not presidential policy—was the primary obstacle to reopening schools, and they stress the importance of holding these organizations accountable for the long-term damage inflicted on students.
The final segment takes a lighter turn with a spirited debate about holiday traditions, gift-giving, and the commercialization of Christmas. Clay admits he’s “going Grinch” over the nonstop barrage of Christmas music and argues that only children should receive gifts, while Buck shares his preference for practical contributions like college fund donations over material presents. Callers weigh in with creative solutions, including gift exchange apps and liquor swaps, adding humor and relatability to the discussion. The hour closes with a playful exchange about presidential rankings, as listeners challenge the hosts’ takes on George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Thomas Jefferson, sparking a lively historical debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The third hour of Clay and Bought kicks off now,
and a couple of things we're gonna get to this hour.
One is we mentioned yesterday that in Australia they've banned
people under sixteen from social media.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Play. Is very fired up about this. I almost as
fired super interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, no, it is interesting, not quite as fired up
as you are about the prospect of the corporate wrangling
behind the scenes for control of either paramount Netflix. And yeah,
you know, Clay loves that stuff. You should have been
a character on Succession. You love these things, the corporate
intrigue of multi billion dollar mergers. Clay always asked me about.
He's like, He's like, are you following the the you know,
(00:38):
BBD and the qrs, the mergers and the media. I
have no idea, Clay, but he's very up on this stuff.
He knows these things very well, very well. Trump actually
wighed in on it the other day, I think was yesterday. Actually,
you know what, Clay, just for you, just for you.
I even have this is a Trump cut that I
see on This is cut twenty two.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We'll just get to this quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Trump weighed in on the Netflix possibly possible deal play
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, I know the companies, well, I know what they're doing,
but I have to see I have to see what
percentage of.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Market they at. We have to see the Netflix percentage of.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Market, Paramount, the percentage of marketing. I mean, none of
them are particularly great friends of mine.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, I just want to I want to do
what's right. It's so so very important to do what's right.
So he kind of just said, yeah, he's watching it, Clay.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Look, I get sometimes people out there they say, Okay,
these are you know, super rich people feuding over who's
going to have media assets or how it's going to
be structured. I think this is one of the most
important decisions it's going to happen in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And so whether Netflix is going to buy Warner Brothers,
whether Paramount is going to buy Warner Brothers, it is
going to largely, I think, help to set the ed
and for how the media covers twenty six, how the
media covers twenty eight and beyond, and so yeah, I
(02:09):
follow it all like I do love the television show Succession,
and I think who is in control of some of
these primary media assets really dictates to a large degree
the direction the country goes.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And I'll just point this out.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Rupert Murdoch basically is the only person who created an
alternative to the mainstream legacy media narrative in the whole country. Right,
if you strip away Fox News, if you strip away
the Wall Street Journal, and you strip away the New
York Post, you just have different degrees of arguing from
(02:47):
a left wing perspective about what choice is right for
the country. And I think the marketplace of ideas is
the most important aspect of all of American life because
we have to have a way to take in all
the different perspectives and make the right choices. And if
we are artificially circumscribing what the public sees, then I
(03:08):
think we end up with a severely curtailed success as
a country. So look, I mean, I think there are
a lot of threats outside of America. I went on
with Will Kine yesterday Buck they gave a six month
prison sentence to a former soccer player over there for
criticisms that he made on social media. Now, the prison
(03:30):
sentence was suspended, but the fact that you have people
just getting put in prison theoretically for tweets that they send.
We're not that far away from that here, and if
Kamala had won, make no mistake about it, that would
have been one of the principles that she would put forward.
And Cavin Newsom wins or whomever is in office again
(03:51):
as a Democrat, We're gonna have to fight these battles
and I hope Elon Musk buying Twitter is going to
help us do that. But I just don't think we
have enough assets lined up on the media side of sanity,
and I worry about where we're headed there. You saw
it firsthand. Who's running CNN has more impact than who
gets elected almost any Senate office, almost any governor's office
(04:13):
in the country. The trajectory that a network can go
just based on one guy, to me is still kind
of scary. Yeah, Zucker turned CNN into a an anti
Trump battleship essentially, that was just that was its only
purpose was to destroy Donald Trump uh and ruin the Brandy.
They've always been liberal, they've always been left a center.
(04:34):
That's that's true, that's obvious, but it was too obvious
in the Trump era, and they no longer were even pretending.
They no longer were trying to hide any of it.
So with that, I will now see we just I
didn't even think we're going to get into that, but
we did. I'm now going to transition as Clay to
the Minnesota Somali American situation. First of all, ilhan omar
(04:58):
interesting to me. We still have we have illanomore out there,
and I'm still seeing stuff about her and the brother. Right,
you're seeing this too from the daily. But people are
saying this Trump, Yes, this is can we get can
we know for sure whether this is the case or not? Okay,
(05:18):
here's this has cut sixteen. Trump is the president is
saying there's a woman who married her brother.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean, this is out there play sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I want to see people that contribute. I don't want
to see somebody, ya. I don't want to see a
woman that, you know, marris a brother to get in.
And it becomes a congressman does nothing but complaining. Well,
she does this, complain, complain, complain, and yet her country
is a mess. You know, it's one of the worst
in the world. Let her go back fix up her
own country. So Somalia. Yeah, and I was right about it.
(05:47):
You know, I started complaining about Somalia long before the scandal,
the horrible things they're doing to Minnesota. It's incredible. They
have an incompetent governor there too. The Democrats are running
some bad ships.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
They are wanting some bad ships, to be sure. But
I think this specific case of a relatively new and
very sort of densely located community of people from a
country that is I mean, I put this out on exclay,
something that we would always talk about. It would always
(06:20):
come up when you're waiting for, you know, a helo
pickup or to get into a hum Vy convoy or
whatever overseas. With all these guys in the military, CIA,
State Department especially, they've been in a long time. What's
the worst place you've ever been? I would say the
people that had really been in the government national security
game for a long time at some point a lot
(06:40):
of them had been to all of these places, and
they would all say the same thing, which is Somalia.
As I would say, eighty ninety percent of them said
Somalia was the worst country in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That they hadn't been to.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I think the biggest issue here is, first of all,
there's rampant fraud, as we all know, unfortunately throughout many
government programs. But when you read about this case, Buck,
it's that they saw the fraud, but because it was
being done by Somalis, they were afraid of drawing attention
to it because they were afraid they would get labeled racist.
(07:12):
And in fact, the first thing that the Somalies did
when the investigation started was accused of anyone investigating them
of engaging in racism.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It was both.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Sword and shield for them. And you gettened up in
a situation where what in the world are we doing
importing one hundred thousand Somalis to Minneapolis like this is ludicrous.
The idea that Minnesota is benefiting from bringing in low
educated people from the other side of the world to
(07:44):
come into Somaliet I mean, to come into Minneapolis is absurd,
beyond belief, and it should call into question our entire
immigration system. But then even when they come in and
start to commit straight fraud because they're from Somalia and
because they are black, so many Democrats in Minnesota are
(08:06):
even afraid to point out that the fraud is happening,
and the fraud continued to happen for years, Buck, because
they said it's racist of you to investigat us. Yes,
and it isn't interesting as well that people who have
arrived here from Somalia will wield the racism allegation and
just hope that no one stops to say, well, hold
(08:27):
on a second. It's not like there's no you have
suffered from No you and your descendants suffered from no
legacy of slavery. The United States has done nothing to
you other than wonderfully generous and kind things like let
you be here. You have no history of oppression in
this country. You are from Somalia, where the Somalis are
the ones oppressing themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And that brings me to this individual who is went.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Viral on social media, Clay twenty three million views as
I see it right now, that's a lot of views
to pull off on social media. Guy sitting in his car,
he's Vietnamese. Vietnamese immigrant to this country, and here's what
he thinks about what he sees. So this is a
Vietnamese immigrant to America going on with the Somali immigrant community.
(09:13):
Play cut eight on Vietnamese.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Okay, when we have our communities too, and from all
communities thriving.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
If you look at our numbers, there's only about two millions.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Of us here in the United States and now that
two million people that we have majority of us all
have business as scientists, engineer, doctors, bright mind people that
given back to this country more than we've taken. And
we have never asked anybody to bow down or speak
all language. Okay, See when the stupid as mayor of
(09:47):
the little pirate mother land pirates Mullion in Minnesota have
to speak their language and apologizing for those motherfucker as pirates.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
See when we have to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So he's annoyed as somebody who came here as a
Vietnamese rether Vietnam not It's a communist country, not a
wealthy place. I've been to Vietnam. Vietnam's got a lot
of poverty. They arrive here and.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They do not.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, there's no scam like this, there's no other
this stuff going on. I'll point this out, Clay. He's
annoyed and I totally agree this that the mayor what's
his name, Jacob Fray, Thank you Jacob Fray. He's now
speaking Somali to the Somali community and no speak English.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
We don't need any government officials speaking Somali here. And
beyond that, what this guy said, this Vietnamese immigrant, average
Vietnamese household in America. You just you want to want
to guess what the average Vietnamese American immigrant household makes
in this country right now?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Throw out a number. What do you think it is?
One hundred thousand dollars a year? Pretty close?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Eighty six grand? Eighty six grand? Nice, I mean that's
the average. I want to know what the average Somali
American household is making in this country right now? Forty
three thousand. Yeah, So what they would say, it's because
of racism, right, that's you would have so so people
who come here from Vietnam with nothing, with nothing and
(11:12):
don't speak English. And you know, I actually went to
high school with a number of a lot of Asian
kids who are super high achieving, came from very low income,
you know, low to modern income backgrounds, and there was
always this big joke among them like, well, no one's
going to help us, so like we just got to
figure it out. Yeah, And that's it's interesting because that
exemplifies what we would like to think is the American
(11:34):
immigrant attitude. Not come here, get on welfare, complain and
maybe steal. Well, this is the staff that destroys all
anti American racism allegations. Right off the top. You asked
what the average Vietnamese household is making. Asian men are
the highest earning subgroup in America. They make more money
(11:55):
on average Asian men do than any race or gender
in the in the United States. And I think if
you break it down, actually I think Taiwanese Americans may
be the single highest income a group of anybody by
any nationality specifically. McClay the point about Somalis saying that
it's racism, that Vietnamese immigrants may call it eighty five
eighty six thousand on average per household, Nigerian Americans definitely
(12:19):
black Nigerian Americans eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, so it's it's
actually not about race, is it. It's actually not skin
color holding people back. Something else is going on culturally,
something is happening with a certain group. Because Nigerian Americans
are doing great, they're doing great, Somali Americans, specifically Minnesota
(12:42):
are not.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And we should be able.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
To ask why without people saying it's racism, because it's
clearly not.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No one's saying.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know what, I'm gonna hold back to Somali's but
I really want to help those Nigerians Like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That just makes no sense. That's not what's happening in
this country.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And also, why do all these immigrants want to come
here if they face so much uphill races?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just lying, it's just excuses. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Also argument that destroys this, why'd you come from Somalia?
Then if you have a majority black government, I think
literally any country in the world, it could make the case.
I mean, there's a handful that are maybe as bad
as Somalia, but it's one of the five worst. But
you know, if you go to a better place than
where you lived, showing up and immediately ripping the place
(13:24):
that you've gone to where you're making ten twenty x
thirty x which you would have, there's no gratitude. I
think that's a huge part of this. And worse than that,
you show up and you start stealing. Remember the big
part of the thievery was for young children's meals. Yeah,
pretending to feed hungry kids. Pretending to feed hungry kids, yeah,
(13:47):
I mean would look, they had this problem in Europe
in a different context was similar, but also the extension
of or the addition of when you start looking at
the violent crime and particularly the sexual assault statistics in
many of these Europeans that have taken in large numbers
of Muslim immigrants, guess what not a lot of gratitude
being shown by that community there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
In fact, they have got a real problem on their hands.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah. Look, and I mean I think the big challenge
that we're going to face in the next several generations,
maybe beyond, is America is an amazing country. Everybody around
the world wants to come here. There are eight billion people,
I think in the world is the rough estimate. Three
hundred and fifty million of them are in America. I've
never heard anyone on the Democrat side say, hey.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What would be too much?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What would be too many immigrants coming into this country?
They want to open borders. They never actually answer that question.
Shall we take the other seven point seven billion people
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think are relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Buck, I'm not gonna let this go away.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because I do think it's significant and I'm still angry
about it. Teachers' union head Randy Winingarten says Trump was
the reason schools didn't reopen during COVID. Just don't make
a mistake about what's going on. They're directly lying in
an effort to try and just hopefully make you forget
about what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
I do wonder what you think, like looking back to
that tumultuous period of time, do you think that teacher
unions and Democrats have done enough self examination in the
role they played in pandemic school closures? Like were their
mistakes made?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, of course there were, and there were mistakes made
by everyone. There was huge mistakes made by the Trump
administration to not be clear, to not focus on safety
as they were focusing on reopening it. Reopening became political,
not became something that we all should have prioritized.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
If everyone's guilty, nobody's guilty, that's total garbage, total garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
She was the problem number one when.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It came to reopening. It was Randy Winegarden and the
lazy ass teachers' unions. That is obvious to all of
us who were covering it at the time very closely,
like me and you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But it's important because they're trying to now argue for history.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you got to call them out when you see
them blatantly lying like she did there because they know
they were wrong. And now the new argument is, oh,
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some flak here, Buck not about this, oh man.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I was like, you're getting in the way of the steamroller, buddy, Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I got step it in front of not steping in
front of the steamroller and getting flattened. Maybe even broader.
Though I think Christmas music's overplayed. I was out to
dinner the other day Sunday night, went out to dinner,
and I could hear throughout the whole meal they were
playing Christmas music. Now, look, I used to work in
(19:32):
retail back in the day. American Eagle Outfitters may have
heard of it. Abercrombie and Fitch, and I know because
we would have our holiday medley, and anybody who's ever
worked in retail.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's the same track over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But there is evidence to support that people buy more
products when you play Christmas music. So I get it
in a retail setting. I don't know that I need
to hear it in elevators everywhere. I don't know that
I need to hear it while I'm eating dinner. I
would be very very comfortable with I used to make
jokes about this in sports talk radio. We would stop
(20:09):
playing we would only play Christmas music starting in December.
I know we play a lot of Christmas music on
this Do you know we get beat in ratings? Now,
you and me and everybody out there who does talk radio,
every community in America, Christmas music goes to number one.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We just get trounced.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And all they do is play jingle bells over and
over and over again. So I feel like we're inundated,
frankly with too much holiday music.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Does that make me sound like the Grinch?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Or do you think most people agree with me that
it's impossible to escape and we don't need as much. No,
I think you're gonna get lit up over this one, buddy.
I'm just gonna step away from the blast radius. I
love Santa Claus and all the Christmas cheer and music
and everything else. Just telling you, ho ho ho, I'm
I'm the Grinch. I'll own it. There's too much Christmas
(20:56):
music and all facets of life. I don't need to
hear it everywhere. Well, I'll tell you this. I believe
I've referred to it before as going Grinch, or maybe
other people have coined that and I just picked it up.
I don't know, but that's what I say. I don't want.
There are certain categories here.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Children.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, give them gifts, but not a ton of gifts. Okay,
you shouldn't want. Your living room should not look like
a you know, a Toys r RUSS. After five hundred
kids have like rummaged through all the packaging or something.
I guess it's toys r Us even exists anymore. That
used to be a remember when toy stores were this
this thing and they had all this g I Joe's
and he Man made in China, Toys r US was incredible.
(21:38):
They'd shut them all down. Remember KB Toys in the mall. Yeah,
they used to have KB toys and Walden Books. You
had one. When I was growing up, we had one
toy store before the toys r US came to town,
and we only had one bookstore for basically my whole life.
We had Walden Books in the local mall and those
were everywhere. I don't think either of them exist anymore.
(21:59):
I think Walden Books is gone. So you know, there
there was a time when you had the first of all,
I've always hated the pressure of you gotta get gifts
for all these people, especially get gifts for people then
maybe you don't know that. Well whatever, here's what I
would say. You get gifts for kids under eighteen in
your family, you know, your kids out, your own children, nieces, nephews. Yes,
(22:19):
you get thing gifts like we're gonna get little speed gifts.
Although it's not like he can remember them, he's eight
months old. But you know we're we do that fine,
my little nieces and nephews we give them gifts too,
you know. And I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Tell you this. In this household, I contribute to niece
and nephew.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Uh, college funds, that's what every year.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm just like, I contribute.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I know that doesn't sound like, you know, like what
Santa Claus would do. Let me tell you something. I
do it every year. That is such an old man
moved by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'm not. I'm not this few.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You're too young to be doing college fund contributions for
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Speaker 1 (23:04):
Your contributions for donations are amazing. You're too young to
be going straight. And the college donations, I am wrapping
myself in the mantle of uncle uncle Dave Ramsey on
this one.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He would totally approve. So I did the five twenty
nine planned contributions. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And so there's that, and then obviously gifts, bonuses things
like that. People you work with, people who work for you,
whatever it is that they're and and really it's like
money is really what people They actually don't want some
beige sweater. They actually just want money so they can,
you know, have money in their bank account.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
They can do with what they want.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I we stop doing presence among the adults in my
immediate family at my I wouldn't say demand, but I
pretty much demanded this.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think. I don't know if my dad's listening.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think when he gave me a belt for the
fourth year in a row, I was like, he's not
gonna be happy to be telling this story.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But I think when he gave me a.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Belt four years ago, the belt's different or is it
like different color belts?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Was it like black leather belts, like maybe slightly different
buckle on them.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
But he was just like, here you go. So I'm like,
here's a belt. I was like, thank you. I'm gonna
add it to my belt collection. So which is all
from you? Because I don't even really wear belts. So
I will say that we decided as a family to
get rid of that pressure to get things last minute.
It is so great. It is such a nice you know,
you don't have to get to just everyone just stop
(24:30):
with this stuff. Christmas is for those of us who
are Christians. Christmas is actually supposed to be about the
celebration of something holy. It is about to be it's
supposed to be at about the celebration as well of
family and being together and reflecting on the year. It's
really not supposed to be get me the Gi Joe
(24:51):
aircraft carrier, mommy, or you don't love me, Like, that's
not what it's and it's not supposed to be. Hey,
uncle Phil, thanks for bringing me these side with tree
frogs on them.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's what I've always wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Like, no, we don't need to do this. Here's where
I will co sign. And now this is gonna make
me sound really grinchy. I don't think anybody over the
age of eighteen should get gifts for Christmas. Yes, I
think you should only get gifts for kids. Sanna, that's fun.
I don't even know you need to go to eighteen,
but let's say to eighteen after that. Like, I don't like,
(25:24):
I'm not super excited to open gifts. I'm not super
I have zero interest in buying. I add to what
you're saying, because obviously you I appreciate this. You see
what I see. Also play we all walk around now.
Twenty years ago it was different. You know if you
really wanted that thing from the Sharper Image. You had
to get out to remember that guy is a Sharper Image.
You had to get out that catalog. You had to
(25:46):
order it, it had to arrive. It took ten days
or a month or whatever. I can get anything I
want delivered tomorrow. I actually don't want for any material
thing in a way that someone's going to give it
to me for an I'm going to carry.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So funny, She's like, well, shouldn't I get you I'm like, no, honey,
I love you.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Don't don't buy me an expensive watch with my own money,
Like I've got it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I'm fine, Like I don't need that. I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm wearing a rubber wedding ring right now because I
can't even find my wedding ring, which is driving me nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I agree with all that would probably have destroyed eighty
percent of the Christmas holiday spirit out there in this segment. Yeah,
except for our sponsors Christmas Gifts of Plenty. That's where
you gotta go. Don't ever forget that Crockett Coffee. Love
to get you coffee for Christmas because you need that. No,
but I just really mean the gifts for immediate family
members that you know. Come on, I am sold on
(26:39):
only kids should get Christmas gifts. I think it would
be a revolutionary thing that would actually be super beneficial
to the country. Not to mention the number of men
that just get blown up every year because they're like
your dad buying belts because they have no idea what
to get people.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean, what do you get to your point? Like,
do you know I mean wallets?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I had a mast over the years for my dad
giving me ties. I mean every dad out there, ties,
even moms, Like where's that great Saturday Night Live skit
that they did which was actually very funny and mom
got a robe?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like it's a great song, you know, like because mom's
responsible for buying gifts for everybody and then every year
she gets a coffee mug or a robe or whatever
it is. Uh yeah, no, I agree. By the way,
I didn't expect to get this criticism today. Uh Steve
in Eden, North Carolina, he's fired up.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I don't know if you know the criticism coming our way,
But Steve, what you got for us?
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (27:38):
Hey, Buck, this ain't you son? This is another Steve.
But anyway, you know, every time I hear people talking
about the greatest president, I always get irked a little bit.
I mean, everybody pretty much says Abraham, I'm Lincoln. What
about George Washington?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So you think the show, remember yo, you think that
the show has been too disrespectful of George Washing today?
I actually would co sign Steve on this. Steve, Just
to be clear, I didn't say that was Bill O'Reilly
who said Abraham Lincoln's clear number one. I would put
I would put gw on the number one spot, no
(28:13):
question in my mind, for a whole bunch of reasons.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
How could you not?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm with you, buddy, I don't know. I'd actually i'd
actually put.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Him below.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
And the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Look here, I'm reading right now Rick Atkinson Great Trilogy.
He's on volume two, all about the Revolutionary War. I
would actually put Washington three. I think that i'd put
him Now. He's just trolling you, Steve, He's just trolling.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm telling you right now, I'd put him third.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think you got to go Lincoln one, because I
don't think we would have a country if Lincoln hadn't
stepped up. Uh, and I would go to Jefferson because
I think the Louisiana purchase was probably the most important
decision that anybody made. Now, when you're talking gold bront gold,
silver bronze, like that, pretty good stuff. Let me also,
I'm gonna really fire Steve up. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Steve. I think he was confusing Speed with Steve.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He thought, your son's name is Speed, not my son's
name is actually like going fast, which is what Clay
does in a car, the opposite of what I do
in a car. But Speed is my son's name, not Steve.
But close enough. Okay, So I think Washington's actually overrated
in some respects. He was actually not a very good general.
(29:31):
He made a lot of awful choices. If you go
study George Washington in the revel was out gone. But
I can't just let you this is gig Listen, mister
Civil War buff you're just getting crazy here.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
First of all, big g Dubs g Dubbs kept the
army together, fighting the most impressive certainly navy, and overall,
I think you could argue military machine in the world
at that time. The French would have been right there
with them. But you know, We all know how that
went for them when their revolution started. Point being, he
did an amazing job holding them together. But that's as
a general, as president, for him to be there to preside,
(30:06):
to step aside when the time came, to be the
father of the nation, not to allow factionalism to pull
it all apart at the seams in the earliest days.
Not to let that pompous Adams I get the titles
of nobility going. I'm just saying I'm just gonna fire
away on Washington here. Not a very good general on
the battlefield. You're right, he held them together. Second, would
(30:29):
have been a big scandal back in the day. Do
you know he refused to take a stout salary but
just did an expense account instead and ran up exorbitant
costs as the president of the United States entertain he
had to.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Throw some parties. We top throwing a party this week,
you know what I mean, buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's expensive such that they had to go back in
and actually say no, no, no, we need to give
the president a salary because g dub.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I don't want to. I don't want to throw her
under the bus here.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Maybe Martha had expensive taste, not a lot of criticism
for Martha Washington these days. I think if you go
back and look at the g DUB expense account, Martha
ran up a lot of money there and such that
they decided, you know what, maybe we need to have
a salary. Jefferson picked the wrong Jefferson thought that the
French Revolution was a good idea and it was going
to work out. Jefferson was on the wrong side of
(31:20):
some big stuff. I like his Barbary pirates move That
was pretty slick. That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
We don't really have what s Canna purchase was good.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Probably shouldn't have slept with a slave if we want
to go, you know, micro manage Jefferson's Uh, there's a
lot of theo's. I'm just so there's a lot of
dispute over whether that actually occurred. Sir, I'll let it go.
Some of some people are going to tell you that
they have what what is the evidence for that?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Again? I mean, the evidence for it is.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Pretty could have Well, it's definitely a Jefferson at some
point was involved in being the progenitor. Is that the
right word of it was either a could have been
a brother could have.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Been Like the DNA is the DNA.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, it's just been a nice question on the show,
and Clay is deciding to throw g dubs under the bus.
He's deciding that Jefferson's private life is something that is
very much has some problematic aspect to it, although, like
I said, this is very disputed whether this actually occurred
or not. Jim in Clearwater, Florida wants to talk presence.
(32:20):
He's going to bring us back in line here. What's
going on, Jim.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Hey, guys, I've been listening since since rush back in
like eighty eight, but thank you. So my family has
solved the issue of buying adults presence. We download an
app called a Drawing Names and I think that's the
name of it, and we do a bottle swap. You
kind of know everybody's favorite kind of liquor or wine
(32:45):
or whatever, and you can try to find something unique
that they wouldn't normally think of or say or buy.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, look, I think that kind of thing is cool.
I think that's fine. I just I'm on buck side
here in that It used to be that it was
kind of difficult to get things purchased there. I don't
remember the last time I thought, boy, you know, I
can't find X, and I really need it, I said X,
(33:14):
because that's a it might have been misheard. And if
you do, like in this day and age, it's not
that hard to be able to get whatever you want
purchased now. To be fair, I buy things at Amazon
almost always books, and Costco almost always Kirkling brand clothes.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So I you know, I got my family members.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I got my family members like early edition antique books
one year that I thought would all for individuals, and
I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think they all ended up as coasters on like
the sides of you know, various desks. You know. So
I've tried the I've tried the special gift.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Thing too, and you know what, they didn't. They didn't
like my my third edition Mark Twain or whatever. So
you know what, fine, you know what sends the Travis
kids running for the hill. I read everything print newspaper.
I read all day long, every day, and I find
stories that I'm like, I know, this is the perfect
story for this son or even my wife. I don't
(34:12):
think any of them ever read it. My dad back
in the day used to cut out articles. I read
them all. He would mail them to me. You know,
back in the day when you couldn't get local newspapers,
you're away at college whatever. I still have some of
those I read articles, and I'm like, oh, this is
perfect for my oldest son. He's gonna love this. We
just had this conversation. Oh this is perfect for middle son,
youngest son, wife.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And all I.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Can see in their face, Oh, here's dad with another
reading assignment. And it's like they're so disappointed that I'm
bringing them something to read. All I'm trying to do
is just increase their brain and make their world more expansive.
And all they think is Dad just gives us homework
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Speaker 10 (36:24):
Yeah, Buck, I think you're you're dead on Fall's accurate
with the gifts to the five T nine. We had
those for our girls when they were young, and one
got scholarships, so we were able to use that money
to help her pay for a car when she graduated.
So yeah, I fully support that that it might be
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Speaker 2 (36:45):
But gat it's too grown up for me. You're the uncle.
You should be having fun with the kids, not giving
them checks
The third hour of Clay and Bought kicks off now,
and a couple of things we're gonna get to this hour.
One is we mentioned yesterday that in Australia they've banned
people under sixteen from social media.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Play. Is very fired up about this. I almost as
fired super interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, no, it is interesting, not quite as fired up
as you are about the prospect of the corporate wrangling
behind the scenes for control of either paramount Netflix. And yeah,
you know, Clay loves that stuff. You should have been
a character on Succession. You love these things, the corporate
intrigue of multi billion dollar mergers. Clay always asked me about.
He's like, He's like, are you following the the you know,
(00:38):
BBD and the qrs, the mergers and the media. I
have no idea, Clay, but he's very up on this stuff.
He knows these things very well, very well. Trump actually
wighed in on it the other day, I think was yesterday. Actually,
you know what, Clay, just for you, just for you.
I even have this is a Trump cut that I
see on This is cut twenty two.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We'll just get to this quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Trump weighed in on the Netflix possibly possible deal play
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, I know the companies, well, I know what they're doing,
but I have to see I have to see what
percentage of.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Market they at. We have to see the Netflix percentage of.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Market, Paramount, the percentage of marketing. I mean, none of
them are particularly great friends of mine.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, I just want to I want to do
what's right. It's so so very important to do what's right.
So he kind of just said, yeah, he's watching it, Clay.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Look, I get sometimes people out there they say, Okay,
these are you know, super rich people feuding over who's
going to have media assets or how it's going to
be structured. I think this is one of the most
important decisions it's going to happen in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And so whether Netflix is going to buy Warner Brothers,
whether Paramount is going to buy Warner Brothers, it is
going to largely, I think, help to set the ed
and for how the media covers twenty six, how the
media covers twenty eight and beyond, and so yeah, I
(02:09):
follow it all like I do love the television show Succession,
and I think who is in control of some of
these primary media assets really dictates to a large degree
the direction the country goes.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And I'll just point this out.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Rupert Murdoch basically is the only person who created an
alternative to the mainstream legacy media narrative in the whole country. Right,
if you strip away Fox News, if you strip away
the Wall Street Journal, and you strip away the New
York Post, you just have different degrees of arguing from
(02:47):
a left wing perspective about what choice is right for
the country. And I think the marketplace of ideas is
the most important aspect of all of American life because
we have to have a way to take in all
the different perspectives and make the right choices. And if
we are artificially circumscribing what the public sees, then I
(03:08):
think we end up with a severely curtailed success as
a country. So look, I mean, I think there are
a lot of threats outside of America. I went on
with Will Kine yesterday Buck they gave a six month
prison sentence to a former soccer player over there for
criticisms that he made on social media. Now, the prison
(03:30):
sentence was suspended, but the fact that you have people
just getting put in prison theoretically for tweets that they send.
We're not that far away from that here, and if
Kamala had won, make no mistake about it, that would
have been one of the principles that she would put forward.
And Cavin Newsom wins or whomever is in office again
(03:51):
as a Democrat, We're gonna have to fight these battles
and I hope Elon Musk buying Twitter is going to
help us do that. But I just don't think we
have enough assets lined up on the media side of sanity,
and I worry about where we're headed there. You saw
it firsthand. Who's running CNN has more impact than who
gets elected almost any Senate office, almost any governor's office
(04:13):
in the country. The trajectory that a network can go
just based on one guy, to me is still kind
of scary. Yeah, Zucker turned CNN into a an anti
Trump battleship essentially, that was just that was its only
purpose was to destroy Donald Trump uh and ruin the Brandy.
They've always been liberal, they've always been left a center.
(04:34):
That's that's true, that's obvious, but it was too obvious
in the Trump era, and they no longer were even pretending.
They no longer were trying to hide any of it.
So with that, I will now see we just I
didn't even think we're going to get into that, but
we did. I'm now going to transition as Clay to
the Minnesota Somali American situation. First of all, ilhan omar
(04:58):
interesting to me. We still have we have illanomore out there,
and I'm still seeing stuff about her and the brother. Right,
you're seeing this too from the daily. But people are
saying this Trump, Yes, this is can we get can
we know for sure whether this is the case or not? Okay,
(05:18):
here's this has cut sixteen. Trump is the president is
saying there's a woman who married her brother.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean, this is out there play sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I want to see people that contribute. I don't want
to see somebody, ya. I don't want to see a
woman that, you know, marris a brother to get in.
And it becomes a congressman does nothing but complaining. Well,
she does this, complain, complain, complain, and yet her country
is a mess. You know, it's one of the worst
in the world. Let her go back fix up her
own country. So Somalia. Yeah, and I was right about it.
(05:47):
You know, I started complaining about Somalia long before the scandal,
the horrible things they're doing to Minnesota. It's incredible. They
have an incompetent governor there too. The Democrats are running
some bad ships.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
They are wanting some bad ships, to be sure. But
I think this specific case of a relatively new and
very sort of densely located community of people from a
country that is I mean, I put this out on exclay,
something that we would always talk about. It would always
(06:20):
come up when you're waiting for, you know, a helo
pickup or to get into a hum Vy convoy or
whatever overseas. With all these guys in the military, CIA,
State Department especially, they've been in a long time. What's
the worst place you've ever been? I would say the
people that had really been in the government national security
game for a long time at some point a lot
(06:40):
of them had been to all of these places, and
they would all say the same thing, which is Somalia.
As I would say, eighty ninety percent of them said
Somalia was the worst country in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That they hadn't been to.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I think the biggest issue here is, first of all,
there's rampant fraud, as we all know, unfortunately throughout many
government programs. But when you read about this case, Buck,
it's that they saw the fraud, but because it was
being done by Somalis, they were afraid of drawing attention
to it because they were afraid they would get labeled racist.
(07:12):
And in fact, the first thing that the Somalies did
when the investigation started was accused of anyone investigating them
of engaging in racism.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It was both.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Sword and shield for them. And you gettened up in
a situation where what in the world are we doing
importing one hundred thousand Somalis to Minneapolis like this is ludicrous.
The idea that Minnesota is benefiting from bringing in low
educated people from the other side of the world to
(07:44):
come into Somaliet I mean, to come into Minneapolis is absurd,
beyond belief, and it should call into question our entire
immigration system. But then even when they come in and
start to commit straight fraud because they're from Somalia and
because they are black, so many Democrats in Minnesota are
(08:06):
even afraid to point out that the fraud is happening,
and the fraud continued to happen for years, Buck, because
they said it's racist of you to investigat us. Yes,
and it isn't interesting as well that people who have
arrived here from Somalia will wield the racism allegation and
just hope that no one stops to say, well, hold
(08:27):
on a second. It's not like there's no you have
suffered from No you and your descendants suffered from no
legacy of slavery. The United States has done nothing to
you other than wonderfully generous and kind things like let
you be here. You have no history of oppression in
this country. You are from Somalia, where the Somalis are
the ones oppressing themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And that brings me to this individual who is went.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Viral on social media, Clay twenty three million views as
I see it right now, that's a lot of views
to pull off on social media. Guy sitting in his car,
he's Vietnamese. Vietnamese immigrant to this country, and here's what
he thinks about what he sees. So this is a
Vietnamese immigrant to America going on with the Somali immigrant community.
(09:13):
Play cut eight on Vietnamese.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Okay, when we have our communities too, and from all
communities thriving.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
If you look at our numbers, there's only about two millions.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Of us here in the United States and now that
two million people that we have majority of us all
have business as scientists, engineer, doctors, bright mind people that
given back to this country more than we've taken. And
we have never asked anybody to bow down or speak
all language. Okay, See when the stupid as mayor of
(09:47):
the little pirate mother land pirates Mullion in Minnesota have
to speak their language and apologizing for those motherfucker as pirates.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
See when we have to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So he's annoyed as somebody who came here as a
Vietnamese rether Vietnam not It's a communist country, not a
wealthy place. I've been to Vietnam. Vietnam's got a lot
of poverty. They arrive here and.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They do not.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, there's no scam like this, there's no other
this stuff going on. I'll point this out, Clay. He's
annoyed and I totally agree this that the mayor what's
his name, Jacob Fray, Thank you Jacob Fray. He's now
speaking Somali to the Somali community and no speak English.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
We don't need any government officials speaking Somali here. And
beyond that, what this guy said, this Vietnamese immigrant, average
Vietnamese household in America. You just you want to want
to guess what the average Vietnamese American immigrant household makes
in this country right now?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Throw out a number. What do you think it is?
One hundred thousand dollars a year? Pretty close?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Eighty six grand? Eighty six grand? Nice, I mean that's
the average. I want to know what the average Somali
American household is making in this country right now? Forty
three thousand. Yeah, So what they would say, it's because
of racism, right, that's you would have so so people
who come here from Vietnam with nothing, with nothing and
(11:12):
don't speak English. And you know, I actually went to
high school with a number of a lot of Asian
kids who are super high achieving, came from very low income,
you know, low to modern income backgrounds, and there was
always this big joke among them like, well, no one's
going to help us, so like we just got to
figure it out. Yeah, And that's it's interesting because that
exemplifies what we would like to think is the American
(11:34):
immigrant attitude. Not come here, get on welfare, complain and
maybe steal. Well, this is the staff that destroys all
anti American racism allegations. Right off the top. You asked
what the average Vietnamese household is making. Asian men are
the highest earning subgroup in America. They make more money
(11:55):
on average Asian men do than any race or gender
in the in the United States. And I think if
you break it down, actually I think Taiwanese Americans may
be the single highest income a group of anybody by
any nationality specifically. McClay the point about Somalis saying that
it's racism, that Vietnamese immigrants may call it eighty five
eighty six thousand on average per household, Nigerian Americans definitely
(12:19):
black Nigerian Americans eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, so it's it's
actually not about race, is it. It's actually not skin
color holding people back. Something else is going on culturally,
something is happening with a certain group. Because Nigerian Americans
are doing great, they're doing great, Somali Americans, specifically Minnesota
(12:42):
are not.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And we should be able.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
To ask why without people saying it's racism, because it's
clearly not.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No one's saying.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know what, I'm gonna hold back to Somali's but
I really want to help those Nigerians Like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That just makes no sense. That's not what's happening in
this country.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And also, why do all these immigrants want to come
here if they face so much uphill races?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's just lying, it's just excuses. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Also argument that destroys this, why'd you come from Somalia?
Then if you have a majority black government, I think
literally any country in the world, it could make the case.
I mean, there's a handful that are maybe as bad
as Somalia, but it's one of the five worst. But
you know, if you go to a better place than
where you lived, showing up and immediately ripping the place
(13:24):
that you've gone to where you're making ten twenty x
thirty x which you would have, there's no gratitude. I
think that's a huge part of this. And worse than that,
you show up and you start stealing. Remember the big
part of the thievery was for young children's meals. Yeah,
pretending to feed hungry kids. Pretending to feed hungry kids, yeah,
(13:47):
I mean would look, they had this problem in Europe
in a different context was similar, but also the extension
of or the addition of when you start looking at
the violent crime and particularly the sexual assault statistics in
many of these Europeans that have taken in large numbers
of Muslim immigrants, guess what not a lot of gratitude
being shown by that community there.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
In fact, they have got a real problem on their hands.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah. Look, and I mean I think the big challenge
that we're going to face in the next several generations,
maybe beyond, is America is an amazing country. Everybody around
the world wants to come here. There are eight billion people,
I think in the world is the rough estimate. Three
hundred and fifty million of them are in America. I've
never heard anyone on the Democrat side say, hey.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What would be too much?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
What would be too many immigrants coming into this country?
They want to open borders. They never actually answer that question.
Shall we take the other seven point seven billion people
from around the world and try to integrate them into
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program, and We've got
a couple of clips that are out there that I
think are relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Buck, I'm not gonna let this go away.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because I do think it's significant and I'm still angry
about it. Teachers' union head Randy Winingarten says Trump was
the reason schools didn't reopen during COVID. Just don't make
a mistake about what's going on. They're directly lying in
an effort to try and just hopefully make you forget
about what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
I do wonder what you think, like looking back to
that tumultuous period of time, do you think that teacher
unions and Democrats have done enough self examination in the
role they played in pandemic school closures? Like were their
mistakes made?
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, of course there were, and there were mistakes made
by everyone. There was huge mistakes made by the Trump
administration to not be clear, to not focus on safety
as they were focusing on reopening it. Reopening became political,
not became something that we all should have prioritized.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
If everyone's guilty, nobody's guilty, that's total garbage, total garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
She was the problem number one when.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It came to reopening. It was Randy Winegarden and the
lazy ass teachers' unions. That is obvious to all of
us who were covering it at the time very closely,
like me and you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
But it's important because they're trying to now argue for history.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And you got to call them out when you see
them blatantly lying like she did there because they know
they were wrong. And now the new argument is, oh,
it wasn't me at all, it was Trump's fault. When
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Are you feeling that you fill in that steam roll
coming away from the Mannheim steamroller? Everybody, I'm gonna take
some flak here, Buck not about this, oh man.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I was like, you're getting in the way of the steamroller, buddy, Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I got step it in front of not steping in
front of the steamroller and getting flattened. Maybe even broader.
Though I think Christmas music's overplayed. I was out to
dinner the other day Sunday night, went out to dinner,
and I could hear throughout the whole meal they were
playing Christmas music. Now, look, I used to work in
(19:32):
retail back in the day. American Eagle Outfitters may have
heard of it. Abercrombie and Fitch, and I know because
we would have our holiday medley, and anybody who's ever
worked in retail.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's the same track over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But there is evidence to support that people buy more
products when you play Christmas music. So I get it
in a retail setting. I don't know that I need
to hear it in elevators everywhere. I don't know that
I need to hear it while I'm eating dinner. I
would be very very comfortable with I used to make
jokes about this in sports talk radio. We would stop
(20:09):
playing we would only play Christmas music starting in December.
I know we play a lot of Christmas music on
this Do you know we get beat in ratings? Now,
you and me and everybody out there who does talk radio,
every community in America, Christmas music goes to number one.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
We just get trounced.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And all they do is play jingle bells over and
over and over again. So I feel like we're inundated,
frankly with too much holiday music.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Does that make me sound like the Grinch?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Or do you think most people agree with me that
it's impossible to escape and we don't need as much. No,
I think you're gonna get lit up over this one, buddy.
I'm just gonna step away from the blast radius. I
love Santa Claus and all the Christmas cheer and music
and everything else. Just telling you, ho ho ho, I'm
I'm the Grinch. I'll own it. There's too much Christmas
(20:56):
music and all facets of life. I don't need to
hear it everywhere. Well, I'll tell you this. I believe
I've referred to it before as going Grinch, or maybe
other people have coined that and I just picked it up.
I don't know, but that's what I say. I don't want.
There are certain categories here.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Children.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, give them gifts, but not a ton of gifts. Okay,
you shouldn't want. Your living room should not look like
a you know, a Toys r RUSS. After five hundred
kids have like rummaged through all the packaging or something.
I guess it's toys r Us even exists anymore. That
used to be a remember when toy stores were this
this thing and they had all this g I Joe's
and he Man made in China, Toys r US was incredible.
(21:38):
They'd shut them all down. Remember KB Toys in the mall. Yeah,
they used to have KB toys and Walden Books. You
had one. When I was growing up, we had one
toy store before the toys r US came to town,
and we only had one bookstore for basically my whole life.
We had Walden Books in the local mall and those
were everywhere. I don't think either of them exist anymore.
(21:59):
I think Walden Books is gone. So you know, there
there was a time when you had the first of all,
I've always hated the pressure of you gotta get gifts
for all these people, especially get gifts for people then
maybe you don't know that. Well whatever, here's what I
would say. You get gifts for kids under eighteen in
your family, you know, your kids out, your own children, nieces, nephews. Yes,
(22:19):
you get thing gifts like we're gonna get little speed gifts.
Although it's not like he can remember them, he's eight
months old. But you know we're we do that fine,
my little nieces and nephews we give them gifts too,
you know. And I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Tell you this. In this household, I contribute to niece
and nephew.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Uh, college funds, that's what every year.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm just like, I contribute.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I know that doesn't sound like, you know, like what
Santa Claus would do. Let me tell you something. I
do it every year. That is such an old man
moved by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I'm not. I'm not this few.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You're too young to be doing college fund contributions for
your thesis.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
What do you actually actually that is nonsense. I don't
want all the Ramsey I need him. I need Dave
Ramsey here. Dave would support my five twenty nine plan.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Your contributions for donations are amazing. You're too young to
be going straight. And the college donations, I am wrapping
myself in the mantle of uncle uncle Dave Ramsey on
this one.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He would totally approve. So I did the five twenty
nine planned contributions. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
And so there's that, and then obviously gifts, bonuses things
like that. People you work with, people who work for you,
whatever it is that they're and and really it's like
money is really what people They actually don't want some
beige sweater. They actually just want money so they can,
you know, have money in their bank account.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
They can do with what they want.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I we stop doing presence among the adults in my
immediate family at my I wouldn't say demand, but I
pretty much demanded this.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think. I don't know if my dad's listening.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I think when he gave me a belt for the
fourth year in a row, I was like, he's not
gonna be happy to be telling this story.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But I think when he gave me a.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Belt four years ago, the belt's different or is it
like different color belts?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Was it like black leather belts, like maybe slightly different
buckle on them.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
But he was just like, here you go. So I'm like,
here's a belt. I was like, thank you. I'm gonna
add it to my belt collection. So which is all
from you? Because I don't even really wear belts. So
I will say that we decided as a family to
get rid of that pressure to get things last minute.
It is so great. It is such a nice you know,
you don't have to get to just everyone just stop
(24:30):
with this stuff. Christmas is for those of us who
are Christians. Christmas is actually supposed to be about the
celebration of something holy. It is about to be it's
supposed to be at about the celebration as well of
family and being together and reflecting on the year. It's
really not supposed to be get me the Gi Joe
(24:51):
aircraft carrier, mommy, or you don't love me, Like, that's
not what it's and it's not supposed to be. Hey,
uncle Phil, thanks for bringing me these side with tree
frogs on them.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's what I've always wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Like, no, we don't need to do this. Here's where
I will co sign. And now this is gonna make
me sound really grinchy. I don't think anybody over the
age of eighteen should get gifts for Christmas. Yes, I
think you should only get gifts for kids. Sanna, that's fun.
I don't even know you need to go to eighteen,
but let's say to eighteen after that. Like, I don't like,
(25:24):
I'm not super excited to open gifts. I'm not super
I have zero interest in buying. I add to what
you're saying, because obviously you I appreciate this. You see
what I see. Also play we all walk around now.
Twenty years ago it was different. You know if you
really wanted that thing from the Sharper Image. You had
to get out to remember that guy is a Sharper Image.
You had to get out that catalog. You had to
(25:46):
order it, it had to arrive. It took ten days
or a month or whatever. I can get anything I
want delivered tomorrow. I actually don't want for any material
thing in a way that someone's going to give it
to me for an I'm going to carry.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So funny, She's like, well, shouldn't I get you I'm like, no, honey,
I love you.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Don't don't buy me an expensive watch with my own money,
Like I've got it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I'm fine, Like I don't need that. I don't want that.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm wearing a rubber wedding ring right now because I
can't even find my wedding ring, which is driving me nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I agree with all that would probably have destroyed eighty
percent of the Christmas holiday spirit out there in this segment. Yeah,
except for our sponsors Christmas Gifts of Plenty. That's where
you gotta go. Don't ever forget that Crockett Coffee. Love
to get you coffee for Christmas because you need that. No,
but I just really mean the gifts for immediate family
members that you know. Come on, I am sold on
(26:39):
only kids should get Christmas gifts. I think it would
be a revolutionary thing that would actually be super beneficial
to the country. Not to mention the number of men
that just get blown up every year because they're like
your dad buying belts because they have no idea what
to get people.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean, what do you get to your point? Like,
do you know I mean wallets?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I had a mast over the years for my dad
giving me ties. I mean every dad out there, ties,
even moms, Like where's that great Saturday Night Live skit
that they did which was actually very funny and mom
got a robe?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like it's a great song, you know, like because mom's
responsible for buying gifts for everybody and then every year
she gets a coffee mug or a robe or whatever
it is. Uh yeah, no, I agree. By the way,
I didn't expect to get this criticism today. Uh Steve
in Eden, North Carolina, he's fired up.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I don't know if you know the criticism coming our way,
But Steve, what you got for us?
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (27:38):
Hey, Buck, this ain't you son? This is another Steve.
But anyway, you know, every time I hear people talking
about the greatest president, I always get irked a little bit.
I mean, everybody pretty much says Abraham, I'm Lincoln. What
about George Washington?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So you think the show, remember yo, you think that
the show has been too disrespectful of George Washing today?
I actually would co sign Steve on this. Steve, Just
to be clear, I didn't say that was Bill O'Reilly
who said Abraham Lincoln's clear number one. I would put
I would put gw on the number one spot, no
(28:13):
question in my mind, for a whole bunch of reasons.
Speaker 11 (28:15):
How could you not?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm with you, buddy, I don't know. I'd actually i'd
actually put.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Him below.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
And the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Look here, I'm reading right now Rick Atkinson Great Trilogy.
He's on volume two, all about the Revolutionary War. I
would actually put Washington three. I think that i'd put
him Now. He's just trolling you, Steve, He's just trolling.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm telling you right now, I'd put him third.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think you got to go Lincoln one, because I
don't think we would have a country if Lincoln hadn't
stepped up. Uh, and I would go to Jefferson because
I think the Louisiana purchase was probably the most important
decision that anybody made. Now, when you're talking gold bront gold,
silver bronze, like that, pretty good stuff. Let me also,
I'm gonna really fire Steve up. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Steve. I think he was confusing Speed with Steve.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He thought, your son's name is Speed, not my son's
name is actually like going fast, which is what Clay
does in a car, the opposite of what I do
in a car. But Speed is my son's name, not Steve.
But close enough. Okay, So I think Washington's actually overrated
in some respects. He was actually not a very good general.
(29:31):
He made a lot of awful choices. If you go
study George Washington in the revel was out gone. But
I can't just let you this is gig Listen, mister
Civil War buff you're just getting crazy here.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
First of all, big g Dubs g Dubbs kept the
army together, fighting the most impressive certainly navy, and overall,
I think you could argue military machine in the world
at that time. The French would have been right there
with them. But you know, We all know how that
went for them when their revolution started. Point being, he
did an amazing job holding them together. But that's as
a general, as president, for him to be there to preside,
(30:06):
to step aside when the time came, to be the
father of the nation, not to allow factionalism to pull
it all apart at the seams in the earliest days.
Not to let that pompous Adams I get the titles
of nobility going. I'm just saying I'm just gonna fire
away on Washington here. Not a very good general on
the battlefield. You're right, he held them together. Second, would
(30:29):
have been a big scandal back in the day. Do
you know he refused to take a stout salary but
just did an expense account instead and ran up exorbitant
costs as the president of the United States entertain he
had to.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Throw some parties. We top throwing a party this week,
you know what I mean, buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's expensive such that they had to go back in
and actually say no, no, no, we need to give
the president a salary because g dub.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I don't want to. I don't want to throw her
under the bus here.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Maybe Martha had expensive taste, not a lot of criticism
for Martha Washington these days. I think if you go
back and look at the g DUB expense account, Martha
ran up a lot of money there and such that
they decided, you know what, maybe we need to have
a salary. Jefferson picked the wrong Jefferson thought that the
French Revolution was a good idea and it was going
to work out. Jefferson was on the wrong side of
(31:20):
some big stuff. I like his Barbary pirates move That
was pretty slick. That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
We don't really have what s Canna purchase was good.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Probably shouldn't have slept with a slave if we want
to go, you know, micro manage Jefferson's Uh, there's a
lot of theo's. I'm just so there's a lot of
dispute over whether that actually occurred. Sir, I'll let it go.
Some of some people are going to tell you that
they have what what is the evidence for that?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Again? I mean, the evidence for it is.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Pretty could have Well, it's definitely a Jefferson at some
point was involved in being the progenitor. Is that the
right word of it was either a could have been
a brother could have.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Been Like the DNA is the DNA.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, it's just been a nice question on the show,
and Clay is deciding to throw g dubs under the bus.
He's deciding that Jefferson's private life is something that is
very much has some problematic aspect to it, although, like
I said, this is very disputed whether this actually occurred
or not. Jim in Clearwater, Florida wants to talk presence.
(32:20):
He's going to bring us back in line here. What's
going on, Jim.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Hey, guys, I've been listening since since rush back in
like eighty eight, but thank you. So my family has
solved the issue of buying adults presence. We download an
app called a Drawing Names and I think that's the
name of it, and we do a bottle swap. You
kind of know everybody's favorite kind of liquor or wine
(32:45):
or whatever, and you can try to find something unique
that they wouldn't normally think of or say or buy.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, look, I think that kind of thing is cool.
I think that's fine. I just I'm on buck side
here in that It used to be that it was
kind of difficult to get things purchased there. I don't
remember the last time I thought, boy, you know, I
can't find X, and I really need it, I said X,
(33:14):
because that's a it might have been misheard. And if
you do, like in this day and age, it's not
that hard to be able to get whatever you want
purchased now. To be fair, I buy things at Amazon
almost always books, and Costco almost always Kirkling brand clothes.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So I you know, I got my family members.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I got my family members like early edition antique books
one year that I thought would all for individuals, and
I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think they all ended up as coasters on like
the sides of you know, various desks. You know. So
I've tried the I've tried the special gift.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Thing too, and you know what, they didn't. They didn't
like my my third edition Mark Twain or whatever. So
you know what, fine, you know what sends the Travis
kids running for the hill. I read everything print newspaper.
I read all day long, every day, and I find
stories that I'm like, I know, this is the perfect
story for this son or even my wife. I don't
(34:12):
think any of them ever read it. My dad back
in the day used to cut out articles. I read
them all. He would mail them to me. You know,
back in the day when you couldn't get local newspapers,
you're away at college whatever. I still have some of
those I read articles, and I'm like, oh, this is
perfect for my oldest son. He's gonna love this. We
just had this conversation. Oh this is perfect for middle son,
youngest son, wife.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
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Can see in their face, Oh, here's dad with another
reading assignment. And it's like they're so disappointed that I'm
bringing them something to read. All I'm trying to do
is just increase their brain and make their world more expansive.
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Yeah, Buck, I think you're you're dead on Fall's accurate
with the gifts to the five T nine. We had
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So yeah, I fully support that that it might be
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