August 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 - Corporate Wokeness vs. Brand Loyalty
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show wraps up the week with a lively mix of cultural commentary, political analysis, and audience interaction. The hour kicks off with reactions to earlier discussions on cannabis and mental health, before pivoting to a major trending topic: Cracker Barrel’s controversial rebrand. Clay and Buck blast the company’s $700 million marketing overhaul, arguing that corporate America’s obsession with “woke branding” alienates loyal customers. They compare this misstep to other brand disasters like Bud Light and Disney, emphasizing the importance of knowing your customer and citing Domino’s successful turnaround as an example of honesty and quality-driven strategy.
The conversation then shifts to Democratic Party credibility issues, spotlighting a viral interview where Charlemagne tha God grills former DNC Chair Jamie Harrison for misleading voters about President Biden’s performance. Clay and Buck criticize political “code-switching” and inauthenticity, calling out politicians who adopt fake accents or personas to pander to voters.
Next, the hosts welcome Mary Katharine Ham, Fox News contributor and co-host of the “Normally” podcast, for a wide-ranging discussion. Topics include corporate disconnect from everyday Americans, the backlash against Cracker Barrel’s leadership, and the cultural significance of college football as a unifying force. They also tackle parental responsibility in preventing tragedies, stressing that parents must secure firearms and monitor mental health when warning signs are present—especially in light of recent shootings. Ham and the hosts slam media outlets for prioritizing ideology over facts, particularly in coverage of cases involving transgender shooters.
The hour closes on a lighter note with a spirited debate about jersey etiquette and autograph culture. Clay argues that grown men shouldn’t wear jerseys of athletes significantly younger than them or compete with kids for autographs, sparking passionate listener calls and humorous anecdotes.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now it
is a Friday before the holiday weekends, and you know what,
the Labor Day weekend, and so we want to take
a lot of your calls, bring in your thoughts. Some
of the people out there fired up in the aftermath
of the discussion with our friend Alex's parents and these
(00:21):
I will say this, and I give I think giving
credit where it's due is so important, whatever it may be.
Why I gave a shout out to our friend mister
Levin for his point on the executive order earlier, and
I think giving Alex his due credit for being particularly
full of courage when it really counted on COVID is
(00:46):
one of the reasons why I just have a tremendous
respect for that, because I remember, and Clay remembers, it
was lonely even on the right for a while there.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There are a lot of people that were kind of
I think masks are actually really good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I was like, wait a second, hold on a second.
Uh So I appreciate that. That's all a way of saying,
I know some of you disagree very much with some
of the weed talk in terms of the and we'll
get we'll get to some of that, you will have yours,
say eight hundred two A two two eight A two,
And I think that we can dive into some of this.
(01:21):
But one thing I wanted to mention clay because it's
going to the weekend and I want people to have
some good vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The re killed every every pot smoker's weekend. They were
all looking forward to kicking back rolling into Labor Day
smoking a joint, and now they're all afraid they're gonna
shoot up, shoot up their their local weed establishment. The
the let's talk cracker barrel.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let's talk with something we can all agree on for
a moment here, which is cracker barrel and the woke
rebranding of it is.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Let me just say this for one minute and then
we'll go into the cracker barrel. There is uncertainty about
what the impact is of new highly highly potent THC
on so many different people out there. To me, the
real question is, and I think we should have real
debates about this. I'm not saying any one person is
(02:13):
right or wrong. To your point, Alex was very right
about COVID, doesn't mean he's one hundred percent right about
weed or anything else. I do think the idea that
parents should in some way say, hey, don't drink alcohol
instead use weed, which has been I think a talking
point out there that it's better to use weed than
alcohol is not good advice to be giving children. I
(02:37):
think what, unfortunately it shows is if you start, the
earlier you start weed, the more likely you are to
move to advanced drugs beyond weed. And so that is
my concern as a dad. Now, everybody hates cracker barrel,
you t us up? I do they hate the.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Cracker barrel rebrand. You have a lot of people who
love cracker barrel who are listening right now. Look Cracker barrel.
If you want to get fancy, where they can?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know they can. The French cracker barrel unlikely to
have a strong market in rural America. I would just say,
but maybe I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Is there a cracker barrel in France because that would
be like but for them it would almost be like
an amusement park experience of like, you know, Low America.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They'd be like, what is this? Look cracker barrel.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Anyway, the the situation is as follows. It is a
disaster for the rebrand. Uh and co founder of Cracker Barrel,
Tommy Lowe has said this, this is twenty three play it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's nothing, that's a land nothing at uh. Pitiful food
is something that need to work or spending seven hundred
million dollars to do that is all do, not just
throwing money out the street. They said, I'll get back
to the chief in the country in an angle work play.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He's totally right.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
If you want to work on your food and improve
your food, everyone's always on.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Everyone loves good food.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Everyone loves food that tastes good right and high quality ingredients,
all that stuff. There was no reason for the rebrand.
But beyond that, the rebrand was horrible and everybody knows it.
And it's because they and this is why it's become
political everyone. It's because it's viewed as white and southern
and that rubs Madison Avenue executives the wrong way. My
(04:25):
take in general here is that guy founder who I
bet is eighty plus years old, founded this company in Lebanon, Tennessee,
just outside of Nashville. I guarantee you he still understands
the brand of Cracker Barrel better than the people they
gave seven hundred million dollars to define the brand of
Cracker Barrel. Almost always, the founder of a company understands
(04:50):
why the brand worked and why the company was successful,
more so than all of the people they eventually bring
in to try to be the marketing experts on the company,
because he or she innately built the company and understands
how to connect with the consumer. And then they bring
in a bunch of people in New York and LA,
and I feel like I could just create a business
(05:12):
designed to destroy all of the businesses that are destroying
brands in America. If you ever hire someone to try
to work on your brand that doesn't love the brand already,
you are basically lighting your brand on fire. I think
this happened with bud Light. I think this happened with
Cracker Barrel. I think this happened with the NBA. I
(05:33):
think this happened with Disney.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
People who built great American brands with incredible customer loyalty,
they eventually hand it over to these marketing mavens in
New York and LA who have no idea what mainstream
America is like, and they destroy everything. This is buck
you got me on this, But I think it's important.
I really think every weekend when I go to a
(05:56):
college football game. I am basically with the heartbeat of America.
It doesn't matter who you root for. If you're going
to the Ohio State Texas game this weekend, you are
a good, in my opinion, salt of the earth, normal American.
If you were going to be at the game that
I'm going to be at Alabama Florida State, good normal,
salt of the earth American. And I'm not getting into
what you think the tax rate should be or what
(06:19):
your perspective is on any number, but just are you
a normal, rational person? The answer I think almost always
is yes. And you are very often the heartbeat of
all these brands. You make Disney movie successful, you make
cracker barrel restaurants full, You drink bud Light at your tailgates.
And they've let all of these morons who would never
(06:40):
consume these products, who are going to Brooklyn hipster bars
and are going to fancy Santa Monica, you know, dive restaurants,
they let them try to decide what the heartbeat of
America wants. And I think they just light all these
brands on fire. And it infuriates me because I can
we play that guy again, this guy I guarantee you
(07:02):
put his heart and soul and every fiber of his being.
Put every dollar I guarantee you that he ever made
on the table and said, by God, I think there's
a market for this company, Cracker Barrel all over the country.
Now there's six hundred plus restaurants. Listen to him, and
he's saying, they just gave seven hundred million dollars to
people probably that never talked to him at all, that
(07:23):
don't understand anything about the business, and they are destroying
what he built. Just play him again. Just listen to
him and think about how much difference there is between
him and the stakes he had involved and the people
out there at the cash and paychecks to work at
the company he built.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's nothing, that's a land nothing and it's pitiful food
is something that need to work on. Or spending seven
hundred million dollars to do that is all not just
throwing money out the street. It said, I'll get back
to the chieve in the country. In an angle or.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Word simple common sense, What did he say, make the
product better? If you want to spend money to make
people feel like they're getting a better return on the
money they pay for a meal, good for you. He
gets it. He wants people want good value for the
dollars they put out there, and I just every company
(08:17):
needs this guy to go on the payroll.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Know, your customer is the foundation, or should be the foundation,
should be the foundation of every business, right.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes, how this is also how.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Clay I mean you said this bet SEC football when
people come up and I had the lovely experience in
the Highlands in North Carolina of basically the entire town
listens to this show. I did not know that before
I got there, but that part of North Carolina, everywhere
I go.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They're like, I love you guys. You guys do a
great show and was wonderful, and I appreciate it was great.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But also I know that if I talk to them,
I know we see the world the same way, right,
the same thing you're saying about bed SEC football on
the basics, right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And Big Ten, Like I'm just saying big college football
in general. These are normal, rational people who are a
little bit irrational about their favorite team, but they get it.
But there's a lot of common ground that you already
have because you know where you're coming from, and if
you're running a restaurant, if you're running a media company
for any number of things, you got to know your audience,
(09:12):
You got to know your customer.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You have to know who you're dealing with and whether
it was bud Light or it was now the situation
with Cracker Barrel, and we've seen this with some other companies.
Clearly there are people who manage to get in charge
of the whole entity, sometimes who have no idea who
their customer is and clearly don't care and sometimes even
maybe have a little disdain for their core customer. And
that is where the wokeness really causes share losses and
(09:39):
all of a sudden things start to spiral because they
lose sight of what is most core in the business
and what they're really trying to do day in and
day in and day out. And you know, conservatives, I
think always have taken this point of view Clay of
if your thinking, if your business is business, that's great.
No one's asking to be political. Just sell the best
products you can to, the best services you can to
people who walk in the door and want to pay
(09:59):
for it. It's the Libs, it's the left who decided
that everything had to be you know, an extended version
of wokeness pride month, this, that and the other thing,
and there is real now I think awareness that that
at least comes with some risks if you upset the
people who are the ones buying your product, and that's
(10:20):
that's a marketplace based change.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That is a good thing. And I just think, imagine
how much money they could have saved if somebody in
marketing had spent ten minutes talking to the founder of
Cracker Barrel. You think he might have a little bit
of an insight. I understand he may not have the
latest Excel spreadsheet downloaded on his computer, and he might
not have the latest AI technique to apply to try
(10:47):
to glean how you take a twenty percent profit margin
to twenty one point five percent, like all the brilliant
people out there. But you know what he knows how
to build a business and how to make customers love
the business, which is more than almost anybody who works
in marketing ever does. They come to places that are
already built, and then they take huge sums of money
(11:08):
from inside of the business, often giving you absolutely no
value in return, and sometimes actually lighting your existing business
on fire. And so I think they could have talked
to this guy for ten minutes and they could have said, yeah,
maybe we should just invest, maybe the country fried steak
should be better. You know, I guarantee you he could
tell you maybe the pancake batter could we could spend
(11:29):
twenty more cents per I don't know the gallon of
pancake batter, and we're gonna get a way better product.
I guarantee you he'd have a way better solutions. Was it?
What was the pizza? It was one of the big ones.
I forget though.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Domino Pizze's great exams, Dominoes right, that just said our
pizza's trash.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We're making it good now. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It worked because it was honest, blew up they had
and everybody was like, okay, thanks Domino's, you want to
feed us better pizza. Honesty with your customer base, honesty
with your followers. That is really the lifeblood of the
entire transaction and the entire relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That was the Domino is a great example that is
people would say, oh, you're going to destroy the brand. No,
they were just super honest. They said, look, we cut
cost too much. The quality of our pizza product has
declined and it's not doesn't taste as good as it
used to and we're going to fix that, and we're
actually going to have a really good pizza going forward.
And guess what, they made the product better and they
reaped the results. That's how capitalism works. If you make
(12:25):
a better product, you should get a better result. Now,
the price still has to be right. They are all
these different factors. But I just listened to that old
guy who founded Cracker Barrel and I'm like, he's got
more sense in twenty seconds than the people they paid
seven hundred million dollars due in their entire brains.
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(14:01):
in from so many different story angles out there. I
did want to play this for you though. Charlemagne, the
God very popular iHeart host on many stations out there,
had on x DNC chair Jamie Harrison and just basically
called him out for blatantly lying about Biden for four years.
(14:23):
This is a conversation that is not going away for Democrats.
Listen to Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It's just happened to believe y'all, Jamie now, simply because
we know what y'all watched the last four years. Even
when I see somebody like Krine John Pierre come out
with her book and I'm like, you sat up there
and lied for him all of this time, and now
you want to be honest and say you were an
independent And it's to say all of y'all did that
for the last four years.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Years.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
May charlottetne I ain't lied about I ain't live about
damn thing. Well, you ain't tell the truth. Oh well,
we just kept quiet.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That is accurate. That as well stated you definitely didn't
tell the truth and kept quiet.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That is true also, Jamie Harrison. I think it speaks
poorly to Democrats when they code switch and try to
sound less intelligent than they actually are. This happens with
Jasmine Crockett all the time. Jasmine Crockett went to a
thirty five thousand dollars a year private school, and now
because she thinks it has appeal for her, she talks
(15:17):
like she hasn't been highly educated. I think people see
through this, Like Jamie Harrison. There is a highly educated
guy and he says, I ain't lie. I mean, come on.
It reminds me. The worst of all of this is
I still think Hillary Clinton, which she tried to do
a poor black accent, and it's just it's so fake
and black. I've talked about this for a long time.
(15:38):
I may notice it more because I'm a Southerner and
I talk about this and Poled no one else does
fake accents. Whenever people come to the South, they try
to act like they're Southern and their accent is so fake,
and I look at it and I just say, who
are you? And I make fun of myself. If I
went to Maine and suddenly I started talking like Ted Kennedy,
(16:02):
you guys would be like, what happened to Clay? Like
why is he talking like this? This happened with the
football coach Brian Kelly. Guy spends his whole life in them.
I think we played that cut on here comes down
to the Louisiana, spends his whole life outside of the South,
and suddenly he sounds like he's gone with the win character.
I mean, I just I don't get it, and that
is code shifting, obviously, But why would you want to
(16:24):
sound less educated than you are and expect that that's
going to have great appeal with people. He's a liar.
I give Charlott Mane credit for calling him out, but
even the way he tried to respond to that was
profoundly inauthentic.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Pandering is something that a lot of people in politics
do and a lot of people in media do as well.
And if you're somebody who is inauthentic in the approach
you have to the public, I think some people don't
even notice it, Like I think Hillary Clinton, for example,
when she would do her version of you know, oh,
all of a sudden, I'm Southern hit Hillary when she's
(17:00):
in some places. I mean, I know a lot of
Southerners roll their eyes and they hear this, But I
think Hillary just does it because she's like, isn't that
what everybody does? It's like pretending you like the baseball
team of whatever city you're in at the time. There's
a soullessness that becomes so comfortable for some people in
public life that I'm not even sure Clay they recognize
it anymore. I think it's just you know, does the
(17:22):
fish know that it's in water. It's weird to be
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which actually makes you less likable, right, I mean, because
even if that's your goal, the lack of authenticity makes
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
Catherine Ham joins us now.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She is a Fox News contributor and she also has
a podcast with a Play in Buck Network Normally with
Carol Markowitz. Our dear friend, Carol Markwitz, Ms. Catherine Ham.
Great to have you on the program. I think we
could maybe jump into this.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Are you with play that?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
If somebody likes I grew up in Manhattan where college
football wasn't really a thing.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Are you with play that?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
If someone likes college football, you inherently trust and probably
just like them a little bit more like from go
they're in a good place with you.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah, like you reference normally and that's like my normy meter.
If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get
like a free pass to the normy lane in my mind,
and you have to prove otherwise with your weirdness.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
At some point, it's totally true. We just speak a
common language. Even though Mary Catherine Ham is a Georgia
Bulldog fan and is now getting to celebrate the fact
that her team is incredibly good and my team hopefully
is on the comeback trail a little bit with the
University of Tennessee. But I do think it's important. We
were talking about this with cracker Barrel, and I know
you've had takes and we'll get to some serious things,
(19:55):
but does it continue to astound you how many companies
hire people who would now consumed their product ever to
try and convince people why they should consume a product.
I just fundamentally don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I don't either. The cracker barrel thing was such a
weird hangover move. It's like, what year is this? What's happening?
And to the extent that it was woke, it was
just that these people in the C suite are so
disconnected from normal people who might stop at a cracker
barrel that they have no idea what's animating that decision,
Like I would stop at a cracker barrel more often
(20:30):
if the food just came out a little faster, like,
just adjust to that for me, and I'm good. My
kids love to go. I love to go. I like
the vibe, we like to shop a little bit. I'm
here for it. But the woman who is running the
place and the marketing team have no idea what it's
like to take a family with three kids or four
kids to a cracker barrel. I just I don't think
they've ever done it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I've actually never been to a cracker barrel. So I'm
excited to now go try the cuisine that is now
at the center of this national re branding firestorm. So
I've got that going for me, Mary Catherine, which is nice.
Something else that came up because we're kind of, you know,
last last hour for a few folks here in the
office before the holiday weekend starts. So we're doing a
(21:12):
bit of a grab bag.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And one of them is Clay shared out just now
a you know what, Clay, I'll let you describe it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This goes to the rules around when is it appropriate
for an adult to ask for an autograph. Let me
first put in though autographing someone's book signed by the
author totally legit. I hope all of you buy my
book in Clay's book, and we'll sign as many of
them as we can. But signing like paraphernalia. If you're
an athlete, what are the rules about this? Because Clay,
(21:43):
what just happened that got all this fire storms.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's blown up at the US Open. They've got the
tennis tournament going on out in New York now. And
my general proposition, and this gets people really fired up,
is you shouldn't wear if you're a man, you shouldn't
wear a jersey of a player younger than you. I
think it's a weird look, you know, old school, like
I was a Bo Jackson fan or a Michael Jordan fan.
(22:07):
I'm not saying that I look good in a jersey,
but I'm okay with people that you grew up a
fan of. But when you're like, I'm forty six, if
I'm wearing a nineteen year old's jersey, I think it's
a really weird look. So wear a polo, wear a
T shirt, whatever you want, jersey and a grown man
that's waited like a generation younger than you. It's very strange. Also,
Buck pointed out autographing books which are written for adults,
(22:31):
is the design process. I am very very anti grown
adults boxing out kids at sporting events getting autographs. And
there is a viral video that is now circulating that
I just shared of a tennis player signing autographs for
a kids. He actually takes his ball cap off and
tries to hand it to a kid. An adult autograph
(22:53):
seeker comes in and grabs this. This happens with foul
balls every now and then, it happens with autographs. If
you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think
you should reconsider your life's decisions. At an athletic event,
step back and let little kids in front of you,
because the adults box out the little kids. Everybody has
seen this. You're weird. If you're forty and you're desperate
(23:16):
to get a twenty four year old's autograph, that eight
year old that you're boxing out it will be one
of the coolest moments of his life. Maybe reconsider your
life options. Is that normal or Am I the outlier here? No?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I think you're right on that. I'm going to beg
an exception on the Jersey front because there's a Georgia's
kicker named jack Ham and I just like I have
to go with it.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
But on this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You're also, by the way, hold on, females can get
away with wearing any jerseys that they want. This is
specifically designed for men, grown men wearing kids jerseys unless
it's your own son and you have the same name
and he's on the team. Is I think weird.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
As for this viral video, that man's behavior is trash.
It is trash.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
He gets in there, are so quick and grab this
hat from this kid, and he does it very on purpose,
and he hands it off and hides it from the
kid very quickly.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
That he has an accomplished I think he's a lady
next to him. And that is trash behavior. And you
are putting yourself above children and you are using your
advanced wits and motor skills to best them to this hat.
And it is just a sad, sad look for you.
The hat was clearly meant for the child. Get out
(24:30):
of there. Wait your turn. Let every child that is
in the front row go before you, at the very
least before you step in there.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Now your podcast, Mary Katherine and Carol's podcast, Carol Markut's
and Mary Catherine Ham do a podcast together normally on
the Clay and Block Network. You're hitting your one hundredth
episode coming up on September second, how's it been doing
the show so far? What's the feedback been like from
your listeners? And win Are Clay and I going to
come on and mansplain feminism to feminists? Not you, but
(24:59):
as a general thing. We've been talking about how this
would be helpful.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Oh my gosh, we have so much fun and would
you believe that between us, with the seven children, we
have still produced one hundred episodes on time For all
of those episodes, We're very proud. We feel like we
have a very normy audience, many of whom are moms
and parents who write in to tell us thank you
for just assessing the news without losing your mind.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Granted, sometimes it's hard.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
To do that.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
It was harder during the Biden administration when I was
losing my mind on the regular. But I think people
are looking for news without their blood pressure necessarily going up.
If my blood pressure is going up, I want it
to be for the dog, or I want it to
be over that guy with the hat at the US
Open who's a jerk. I don't want it necessarily to
be driven up while I'm trying to get educated every day,
and so we try to keep it between the lanes.
(25:47):
But you know, we also got some weird takes every
now and then. That's who we are.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And by the way, can I ask you a question
actually about that?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Is this what is the take so far on the
normally podcast that has been the most contra virtial that
maybe you didn't think was going to be controversial at all.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Ooh, ooh, gosh. I have to think about this. I
think I think anytime, look, we do some critical of
the Trump administration takes right, and I think sometimes when
we do that we surprise people. But I think that
would be the area where we get feedback. But we
often get feedback that's like very thoughtful and and nice
because we cultivate that kind of audience. By the way,
(26:26):
I don't believe in man's plaining anyway. I think like
I'm one of those people who believes when men defend
man's plaining, that's they're basically like, that's how we have
a conversation. I'm like, I know, I get it. I
get that that's what's happening there because I grew up
with you brothers.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Brothers, You've got like you just said, seven between you
and Carol kids seriously here when you see some of
the situation, the situation happened in Nashville, situation that happened
in Minneapolis. We talked about parents and one conversation. Obviously,
I think we should have armed security in school. We've
(27:00):
talked a lot about that, but I don't think we
talk enough about parents. And if you know your kid
has depression issues, which hopefully you would know, or you
know your kid has mental health issues, you can strongly
believe in Second Amendment rights and also understand that that
doesn't mean that every single person in your household should
(27:20):
have access to firearms. I wish we talked more about
like I look at that kid's picture and I'm like,
this is not a person who is in mental health.
You know, good position. I don't see how mom and
dad could not know that, right. We should talk I
think more about parenting aspects here and what we should
expect parents to do.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Yeah, if that young man, young man specifically is in
your home, you have to have an inkling that this
is going very much off the rails and you need
to keep such things away from him. We also have
an issue, I think where we used to have a
way of dealing with adults Swiss, very very your mental
illness in psychosis, and they would have places that you
(28:02):
could go for that. As a parent of an adult child,
trying to get that kid to take medication or to
go to see whatever therapist he needs to see, it
comes very difficult, particularly if you're a woman with a
son who can overpower you like this is a very
tricky situation. But I do think parents have to take
responsibility for the fact that they need to know what's
(28:23):
going on with those kids. It's especially if they're in
their same house, I mean, which was the situation here.
And it would also help if the press would just
refer to the guy as a guy and stop pretending
that a woman committed this crime. It's crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I just saw this actually, Markatherine NBC news headline, and
it just goes in.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The whole story. She she, she, she.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
The Democrats have not learned their lesson on this at all.
In fact, they're doubling and tripling and quadrupling down.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
No, they really haven't, and by the way, they really haven't.
And by the way, I don't appreciate them messing up
women's mass shooting stats.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Okay, like we.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Are not playing for this one. But it's just the
media is supposed to make it easier to understand what happened,
and I know that we lost that ability a long
time ago. That value was lost some time ago. But
in situations like this, and particularly on trans stuff, the
way that they word stuff is so dependent on ideology
(29:19):
and has nothing to do with helping you understand the
facts on the ground, and it's just disgraceful. It's anti journalism.
It is the exact opposite of what you are taught
to do if you are in some way trained to
be a journalist. But now they're taught to do this,
and it's just poison.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What is Georgia's record going to be this year?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Oh, it's gonna be perfect. See, I'm such a homer.
You can't even ask me that stuff. You can't even
ask me. It's pathetic.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Do you have games on the schedule like that you're
going to try to go to Because I'm gonna be
at FSU Alabama this weekend. I've never been to Tallahassee.
You can't wait to check it out. You've got an
absolute brood, So it becomes difficult. I know, for a
lot of people to move the whole apparatus with seasons
and everything else. Will you try to get your whole
family to games or no?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So what usually happens is that once every four years
or so, I'll get all the kids to a game,
and in the interim, either I will go or my
husband and I will go together. I did take on
one occasion. You'll be proud. On one occasion, right after
I gave birth to my third child, she was a
month old, and I was like, I gotta go to
a Dog's game because this is the year we're gonna
win the Natty and we endidde. We indeed did so
(30:29):
I was like, I gotta get them all there so
I can say they saw the Dogs play that year.
I took three children on a twelve hour road trip
to watch the Dogs with a one month old, and yes,
that was crazy, and yes it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's awesome. I'm taking my boys, I know all of
them at least. That's the plan to the Tennessee Georgia
game in Knoxville on September thirteenth, where Tennessee is going
to finally in the losing streak to your Georgia Bulldogs,
ensuring that they are not in fact undefeated. Mary Catherineham,
where can people find your content? You do great stuff
in the podcast. You're on Fox News regularly. You write
(31:02):
on occasion for OutKick. Where would you tell people if
they're enjoying this to find you?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Just look at me at mk hammer on Twitter, at
mk hammer time on Instagram if you want, and you
can find me on normally podcasts and you should.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Awesome appreciate you. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Thank you very much. Guys have a good football weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We got
a bunch. I didn't expect to get these angle callers.
(33:07):
Steven Florida. You disagree, you got a strong take what
you got?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Hey, guys, I finally get through awesome. Hey, I have
to disagree with you there, Clay about the jerseys on
one about for a guy that's young, heard you. I
happen to be from Indiana and I moved down here
in Florida about sixteen years ago. I'm a huge Peyton
Manning fan, and I have his jersey And don't think
(33:35):
for one second, how old?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Hold on, how old are you? Steve?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
I am fifty three, okay, please.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I'm forty six. I think Manning is like forty eight.
That's like same range, right, I'm talking about If you're
fifty three and you were in Florida and you went
to a game and you're wearing a nineteen year old's jersey,
I think it's a weird look. So you're in the
park of a guy that's around the same age. So
I'm not really calling you out. I'm calling out somebody
(34:05):
my age forty six, who I got. I'm gonna go
to the Florida State game, right, Alabama? If you're wearing
a Ty Simpson jersey and you are sixty and it's
not your son. I think you look like a weirdo.
U candidly cleat's making friends today. If you want to
wear a Joe Namath jersey and you're sixty, it's like, okay,
(34:26):
that guy's older than you. Is this important rule? I think?
Uh CJ and Raleigh North Carolina? Do you own any jerseys? Buck?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Me?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, I play.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think Clay answer your own question, does Buck own
any sports jerseys?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I thought maybe you had an old school like John
Starks or Patrick's nineties.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Not only do I not own a sports jersey, Clay,
I have never owned. I had jerseys for teams I've
played on, but I've never owned.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Your brothers own a jersey. I don't think so. No,
uh CJ in Raleigh North Carolina, which you got for us.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yes, So I wanted to tell you. I heard you
say you're going to go to the uh U T
Georgia game coming up in September. I went to Peyton
Manning's last football game at UT. I was staying at
the Marriott in Tenant, you know, in Knoxville, And when
I went to get in the elevator, the coach of
the Bulldogs got in with four big players and I
(35:22):
looked at him and I said, dude, I feel sorry
for you guys today because we're going to kick your
but And he looked at me and said, we're going
to a PEP rally. Will you come with us? And
I went, are you gonna kill me? And he said no.
Will you walk into the PEP rally in the big
ballroom of this hotel with me just for a minute?
And I said yeah, And I walked in and he
got everybody be quiet and he said, now, what did
(35:43):
you just tell our boys? And I told him and
I used the other hey word. I said, we're going
to kick your aa and he said, I think it's
time for you to leave. And I sat in that
game and enjoyed that game so much. And I've always
been a Peyton Manning fan.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Anyways, I give thank you for the call. I give
credit to the coaches there. That is fun, right, like
bring in an opposing fan, get everybody riled up. What
did you tell me in the elevator, We're gonna kick
your ass? That is fun. Been an awesome week, tons
of reaction pouring in. We want all of you to
stay safe, have fabulous weekends. On Labor Day, we will
be back with you guys. On Tuesday, Labor Day, We're
(36:20):
gonna spend with our families, and I hope all of
you do the same. And I hope you have fabulous weekends.
Buck you're hanging out with the.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I'm gonna be with Baby Speed and Ginger Spice. Happy birthday,
Ginger Spice. It is our Golden Doodle's birthday play, which
I don't know if dogs have birthdays, but Ginger does.
Have a great holiday week and everybody
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now it
is a Friday before the holiday weekends, and you know what,
the Labor Day weekend, and so we want to take
a lot of your calls, bring in your thoughts. Some
of the people out there fired up in the aftermath
of the discussion with our friend Alex's parents and these
(00:21):
I will say this, and I give I think giving
credit where it's due is so important, whatever it may be.
Why I gave a shout out to our friend mister
Levin for his point on the executive order earlier, and
I think giving Alex his due credit for being particularly
full of courage when it really counted on COVID is
(00:46):
one of the reasons why I just have a tremendous
respect for that, because I remember, and Clay remembers, it
was lonely even on the right for a while there.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There are a lot of people that were kind of
I think masks are actually really good.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I was like, wait a second, hold on a second.
Uh So I appreciate that. That's all a way of saying,
I know some of you disagree very much with some
of the weed talk in terms of the and we'll
get we'll get to some of that, you will have yours,
say eight hundred two A two two eight A two,
And I think that we can dive into some of this.
(01:21):
But one thing I wanted to mention clay because it's
going to the weekend and I want people to have
some good vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The re killed every every pot smoker's weekend. They were
all looking forward to kicking back rolling into Labor Day
smoking a joint, and now they're all afraid they're gonna
shoot up, shoot up their their local weed establishment. The
the let's talk cracker barrel.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let's talk with something we can all agree on for
a moment here, which is cracker barrel and the woke
rebranding of it is.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Let me just say this for one minute and then
we'll go into the cracker barrel. There is uncertainty about
what the impact is of new highly highly potent THC
on so many different people out there. To me, the
real question is, and I think we should have real
debates about this. I'm not saying any one person is
(02:13):
right or wrong. To your point, Alex was very right
about COVID, doesn't mean he's one hundred percent right about
weed or anything else. I do think the idea that
parents should in some way say, hey, don't drink alcohol
instead use weed, which has been I think a talking
point out there that it's better to use weed than
alcohol is not good advice to be giving children. I
(02:37):
think what, unfortunately it shows is if you start, the
earlier you start weed, the more likely you are to
move to advanced drugs beyond weed. And so that is
my concern as a dad. Now, everybody hates cracker barrel,
you t us up? I do they hate the.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Cracker barrel rebrand. You have a lot of people who
love cracker barrel who are listening right now. Look Cracker barrel.
If you want to get fancy, where they can?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know they can. The French cracker barrel unlikely to
have a strong market in rural America. I would just say,
but maybe I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Is there a cracker barrel in France because that would
be like but for them it would almost be like
an amusement park experience of like, you know, Low America.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They'd be like, what is this? Look cracker barrel.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Anyway, the the situation is as follows. It is a
disaster for the rebrand. Uh and co founder of Cracker Barrel,
Tommy Lowe has said this, this is twenty three play it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's nothing, that's a land nothing at uh. Pitiful food
is something that need to work or spending seven hundred
million dollars to do that is all do, not just
throwing money out the street. They said, I'll get back
to the chief in the country in an angle work play.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He's totally right.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
If you want to work on your food and improve
your food, everyone's always on.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Everyone loves good food.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Everyone loves food that tastes good right and high quality ingredients,
all that stuff. There was no reason for the rebrand.
But beyond that, the rebrand was horrible and everybody knows it.
And it's because they and this is why it's become
political everyone. It's because it's viewed as white and southern
and that rubs Madison Avenue executives the wrong way. My
(04:25):
take in general here is that guy founder who I
bet is eighty plus years old, founded this company in Lebanon, Tennessee,
just outside of Nashville. I guarantee you he still understands
the brand of Cracker Barrel better than the people they
gave seven hundred million dollars to define the brand of
Cracker Barrel. Almost always, the founder of a company understands
(04:50):
why the brand worked and why the company was successful,
more so than all of the people they eventually bring
in to try to be the marketing experts on the company,
because he or she innately built the company and understands
how to connect with the consumer. And then they bring
in a bunch of people in New York and LA,
and I feel like I could just create a business
(05:12):
designed to destroy all of the businesses that are destroying
brands in America. If you ever hire someone to try
to work on your brand that doesn't love the brand already,
you are basically lighting your brand on fire. I think
this happened with bud Light. I think this happened with
Cracker Barrel. I think this happened with the NBA. I
(05:33):
think this happened with Disney.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
People who built great American brands with incredible customer loyalty,
they eventually hand it over to these marketing mavens in
New York and LA who have no idea what mainstream
America is like, and they destroy everything. This is buck
you got me on this, But I think it's important.
I really think every weekend when I go to a
(05:56):
college football game. I am basically with the heartbeat of America.
It doesn't matter who you root for. If you're going
to the Ohio State Texas game this weekend, you are
a good, in my opinion, salt of the earth, normal American.
If you were going to be at the game that
I'm going to be at Alabama Florida State, good normal,
salt of the earth American. And I'm not getting into
what you think the tax rate should be or what
(06:19):
your perspective is on any number, but just are you
a normal, rational person? The answer I think almost always
is yes. And you are very often the heartbeat of
all these brands. You make Disney movie successful, you make
cracker barrel restaurants full, You drink bud Light at your tailgates.
And they've let all of these morons who would never
(06:40):
consume these products, who are going to Brooklyn hipster bars
and are going to fancy Santa Monica, you know, dive restaurants,
they let them try to decide what the heartbeat of
America wants. And I think they just light all these
brands on fire. And it infuriates me because I can
we play that guy again, this guy I guarantee you
(07:02):
put his heart and soul and every fiber of his being.
Put every dollar I guarantee you that he ever made
on the table and said, by God, I think there's
a market for this company, Cracker Barrel all over the country.
Now there's six hundred plus restaurants. Listen to him, and
he's saying, they just gave seven hundred million dollars to
people probably that never talked to him at all, that
(07:23):
don't understand anything about the business, and they are destroying
what he built. Just play him again. Just listen to
him and think about how much difference there is between
him and the stakes he had involved and the people
out there at the cash and paychecks to work at
the company he built.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's nothing, that's a land nothing and it's pitiful food
is something that need to work on. Or spending seven
hundred million dollars to do that is all not just
throwing money out the street. It said, I'll get back
to the chieve in the country. In an angle or.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Word simple common sense, What did he say, make the
product better? If you want to spend money to make
people feel like they're getting a better return on the
money they pay for a meal, good for you. He
gets it. He wants people want good value for the
dollars they put out there, and I just every company
(08:17):
needs this guy to go on the payroll.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Know, your customer is the foundation, or should be the foundation,
should be the foundation of every business, right.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes, how this is also how.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Clay I mean you said this bet SEC football when
people come up and I had the lovely experience in
the Highlands in North Carolina of basically the entire town
listens to this show. I did not know that before
I got there, but that part of North Carolina, everywhere
I go.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They're like, I love you guys. You guys do a
great show and was wonderful, and I appreciate it was great.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But also I know that if I talk to them,
I know we see the world the same way, right,
the same thing you're saying about bed SEC football on
the basics, right.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And Big Ten, Like I'm just saying big college football
in general. These are normal, rational people who are a
little bit irrational about their favorite team, but they get it.
But there's a lot of common ground that you already
have because you know where you're coming from, and if
you're running a restaurant, if you're running a media company
for any number of things, you got to know your audience,
(09:12):
You got to know your customer.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You have to know who you're dealing with and whether
it was bud Light or it was now the situation
with Cracker Barrel, and we've seen this with some other companies.
Clearly there are people who manage to get in charge
of the whole entity, sometimes who have no idea who
their customer is and clearly don't care and sometimes even
maybe have a little disdain for their core customer. And
that is where the wokeness really causes share losses and
(09:39):
all of a sudden things start to spiral because they
lose sight of what is most core in the business
and what they're really trying to do day in and
day in and day out. And you know, conservatives, I
think always have taken this point of view Clay of
if your thinking, if your business is business, that's great.
No one's asking to be political. Just sell the best
products you can to, the best services you can to
people who walk in the door and want to pay
(09:59):
for it. It's the Libs, it's the left who decided
that everything had to be you know, an extended version
of wokeness pride month, this, that and the other thing,
and there is real now I think awareness that that
at least comes with some risks if you upset the
people who are the ones buying your product, and that's
(10:20):
that's a marketplace based change.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That is a good thing. And I just think, imagine
how much money they could have saved if somebody in
marketing had spent ten minutes talking to the founder of
Cracker Barrel. You think he might have a little bit
of an insight. I understand he may not have the
latest Excel spreadsheet downloaded on his computer, and he might
not have the latest AI technique to apply to try
(10:47):
to glean how you take a twenty percent profit margin
to twenty one point five percent, like all the brilliant
people out there. But you know what he knows how
to build a business and how to make customers love
the business, which is more than almost anybody who works
in marketing ever does. They come to places that are
already built, and then they take huge sums of money
(11:08):
from inside of the business, often giving you absolutely no
value in return, and sometimes actually lighting your existing business
on fire. And so I think they could have talked
to this guy for ten minutes and they could have said, yeah,
maybe we should just invest, maybe the country fried steak
should be better. You know, I guarantee you he could
tell you maybe the pancake batter could we could spend
(11:29):
twenty more cents per I don't know the gallon of
pancake batter, and we're gonna get a way better product.
I guarantee you he'd have a way better solutions. Was it?
What was the pizza? It was one of the big ones.
I forget though.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Domino Pizze's great exams, Dominoes right, that just said our
pizza's trash.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We're making it good now. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It worked because it was honest, blew up they had
and everybody was like, okay, thanks Domino's, you want to
feed us better pizza. Honesty with your customer base, honesty
with your followers. That is really the lifeblood of the
entire transaction and the entire relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That was the Domino is a great example that is
people would say, oh, you're going to destroy the brand. No,
they were just super honest. They said, look, we cut
cost too much. The quality of our pizza product has
declined and it's not doesn't taste as good as it
used to and we're going to fix that, and we're
actually going to have a really good pizza going forward.
And guess what, they made the product better and they
reaped the results. That's how capitalism works. If you make
(12:25):
a better product, you should get a better result. Now,
the price still has to be right. They are all
these different factors. But I just listened to that old
guy who founded Cracker Barrel and I'm like, he's got
more sense in twenty seconds than the people they paid
seven hundred million dollars due in their entire brains.
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(14:01):
in from so many different story angles out there. I
did want to play this for you though. Charlemagne, the
God very popular iHeart host on many stations out there,
had on x DNC chair Jamie Harrison and just basically
called him out for blatantly lying about Biden for four years.
(14:23):
This is a conversation that is not going away for Democrats.
Listen to Cut twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It's just happened to believe y'all, Jamie now, simply because
we know what y'all watched the last four years. Even
when I see somebody like Krine John Pierre come out
with her book and I'm like, you sat up there
and lied for him all of this time, and now
you want to be honest and say you were an
independent And it's to say all of y'all did that
for the last four years.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Years.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
May charlottetne I ain't lied about I ain't live about
damn thing. Well, you ain't tell the truth. Oh well,
we just kept quiet.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
That is accurate. That as well stated you definitely didn't
tell the truth and kept quiet.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That is true also, Jamie Harrison. I think it speaks
poorly to Democrats when they code switch and try to
sound less intelligent than they actually are. This happens with
Jasmine Crockett all the time. Jasmine Crockett went to a
thirty five thousand dollars a year private school, and now
because she thinks it has appeal for her, she talks
(15:17):
like she hasn't been highly educated. I think people see
through this, Like Jamie Harrison. There is a highly educated
guy and he says, I ain't lie. I mean, come on.
It reminds me. The worst of all of this is
I still think Hillary Clinton, which she tried to do
a poor black accent, and it's just it's so fake
and black. I've talked about this for a long time.
(15:38):
I may notice it more because I'm a Southerner and
I talk about this and Poled no one else does
fake accents. Whenever people come to the South, they try
to act like they're Southern and their accent is so fake,
and I look at it and I just say, who
are you? And I make fun of myself. If I
went to Maine and suddenly I started talking like Ted Kennedy,
(16:02):
you guys would be like, what happened to Clay? Like
why is he talking like this? This happened with the
football coach Brian Kelly. Guy spends his whole life in them.
I think we played that cut on here comes down
to the Louisiana, spends his whole life outside of the South,
and suddenly he sounds like he's gone with the win character.
I mean, I just I don't get it, and that
is code shifting, obviously, But why would you want to
(16:24):
sound less educated than you are and expect that that's
going to have great appeal with people. He's a liar.
I give Charlott Mane credit for calling him out, but
even the way he tried to respond to that was
profoundly inauthentic.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Pandering is something that a lot of people in politics
do and a lot of people in media do as well.
And if you're somebody who is inauthentic in the approach
you have to the public, I think some people don't
even notice it, Like I think Hillary Clinton, for example,
when she would do her version of you know, oh,
all of a sudden, I'm Southern hit Hillary when she's
(17:00):
in some places. I mean, I know a lot of
Southerners roll their eyes and they hear this, But I
think Hillary just does it because she's like, isn't that
what everybody does? It's like pretending you like the baseball
team of whatever city you're in at the time. There's
a soullessness that becomes so comfortable for some people in
public life that I'm not even sure Clay they recognize
it anymore. I think it's just you know, does the
(17:22):
fish know that it's in water. It's weird to be
so desperate to be liked that you have no soul,
which actually makes you less likable, right, I mean, because
even if that's your goal, the lack of authenticity makes
people respect you less. So you're just shooting yourself in
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Speaker 5 (18:43):
Married.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Catherine Ham joins us now.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She is a Fox News contributor and she also has
a podcast with a Play in Buck Network Normally with
Carol Markowitz. Our dear friend, Carol Markwitz, Ms. Catherine Ham.
Great to have you on the program. I think we
could maybe jump into this.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Are you with play that?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
If somebody likes I grew up in Manhattan where college
football wasn't really a thing.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Are you with play that?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
If someone likes college football, you inherently trust and probably
just like them a little bit more like from go
they're in a good place with you.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah, like you reference normally and that's like my normy meter.
If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get
like a free pass to the normy lane in my mind,
and you have to prove otherwise with your weirdness.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
At some point, it's totally true. We just speak a
common language. Even though Mary Catherine Ham is a Georgia
Bulldog fan and is now getting to celebrate the fact
that her team is incredibly good and my team hopefully
is on the comeback trail a little bit with the
University of Tennessee. But I do think it's important. We
were talking about this with cracker Barrel, and I know
you've had takes and we'll get to some serious things,
(19:55):
but does it continue to astound you how many companies
hire people who would now consumed their product ever to
try and convince people why they should consume a product.
I just fundamentally don't understand it.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I don't either. The cracker barrel thing was such a
weird hangover move. It's like, what year is this? What's happening?
And to the extent that it was woke, it was
just that these people in the C suite are so
disconnected from normal people who might stop at a cracker
barrel that they have no idea what's animating that decision,
Like I would stop at a cracker barrel more often
(20:30):
if the food just came out a little faster, like,
just adjust to that for me, and I'm good. My
kids love to go. I love to go. I like
the vibe, we like to shop a little bit. I'm
here for it. But the woman who is running the
place and the marketing team have no idea what it's
like to take a family with three kids or four
kids to a cracker barrel. I just I don't think
they've ever done it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I've actually never been to a cracker barrel. So I'm
excited to now go try the cuisine that is now
at the center of this national re branding firestorm. So
I've got that going for me, Mary Catherine, which is nice.
Something else that came up because we're kind of, you know,
last last hour for a few folks here in the
office before the holiday weekend starts. So we're doing a
(21:12):
bit of a grab bag.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And one of them is Clay shared out just now
a you know what, Clay, I'll let you describe it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This goes to the rules around when is it appropriate
for an adult to ask for an autograph. Let me
first put in though autographing someone's book signed by the
author totally legit. I hope all of you buy my
book in Clay's book, and we'll sign as many of
them as we can. But signing like paraphernalia. If you're
an athlete, what are the rules about this? Because Clay,
(21:43):
what just happened that got all this fire storms.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
It's blown up at the US Open. They've got the
tennis tournament going on out in New York now. And
my general proposition, and this gets people really fired up,
is you shouldn't wear if you're a man, you shouldn't
wear a jersey of a player younger than you. I
think it's a weird look, you know, old school, like
I was a Bo Jackson fan or a Michael Jordan fan.
(22:07):
I'm not saying that I look good in a jersey,
but I'm okay with people that you grew up a
fan of. But when you're like, I'm forty six, if
I'm wearing a nineteen year old's jersey, I think it's
a really weird look. So wear a polo, wear a
T shirt, whatever you want, jersey and a grown man
that's waited like a generation younger than you. It's very strange. Also,
Buck pointed out autographing books which are written for adults,
(22:31):
is the design process. I am very very anti grown
adults boxing out kids at sporting events getting autographs. And
there is a viral video that is now circulating that
I just shared of a tennis player signing autographs for
a kids. He actually takes his ball cap off and
tries to hand it to a kid. An adult autograph
(22:53):
seeker comes in and grabs this. This happens with foul
balls every now and then, it happens with autographs. If
you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think
you should reconsider your life's decisions. At an athletic event,
step back and let little kids in front of you,
because the adults box out the little kids. Everybody has
seen this. You're weird. If you're forty and you're desperate
(23:16):
to get a twenty four year old's autograph, that eight
year old that you're boxing out it will be one
of the coolest moments of his life. Maybe reconsider your
life options. Is that normal or Am I the outlier here? No?
Speaker 6 (23:28):
I think you're right on that. I'm going to beg
an exception on the Jersey front because there's a Georgia's
kicker named jack Ham and I just like I have
to go with it.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
But on this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You're also, by the way, hold on, females can get
away with wearing any jerseys that they want. This is
specifically designed for men, grown men wearing kids jerseys unless
it's your own son and you have the same name
and he's on the team. Is I think weird.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
As for this viral video, that man's behavior is trash.
It is trash.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
He gets in there, are so quick and grab this
hat from this kid, and he does it very on purpose,
and he hands it off and hides it from the
kid very quickly.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
That he has an accomplished I think he's a lady
next to him. And that is trash behavior. And you
are putting yourself above children and you are using your
advanced wits and motor skills to best them to this hat.
And it is just a sad, sad look for you.
The hat was clearly meant for the child. Get out
(24:30):
of there. Wait your turn. Let every child that is
in the front row go before you, at the very
least before you step in there.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Now your podcast, Mary Katherine and Carol's podcast, Carol Markut's
and Mary Catherine Ham do a podcast together normally on
the Clay and Block Network. You're hitting your one hundredth
episode coming up on September second, how's it been doing
the show so far? What's the feedback been like from
your listeners? And win Are Clay and I going to
come on and mansplain feminism to feminists? Not you, but
(24:59):
as a general thing. We've been talking about how this
would be helpful.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Oh my gosh, we have so much fun and would
you believe that between us, with the seven children, we
have still produced one hundred episodes on time For all
of those episodes, We're very proud. We feel like we
have a very normy audience, many of whom are moms
and parents who write in to tell us thank you
for just assessing the news without losing your mind.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Granted, sometimes it's hard.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
To do that.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
It was harder during the Biden administration when I was
losing my mind on the regular. But I think people
are looking for news without their blood pressure necessarily going up.
If my blood pressure is going up, I want it
to be for the dog, or I want it to
be over that guy with the hat at the US
Open who's a jerk. I don't want it necessarily to
be driven up while I'm trying to get educated every day,
and so we try to keep it between the lanes.
(25:47):
But you know, we also got some weird takes every
now and then. That's who we are.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And by the way, can I ask you a question
actually about that?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Is this what is the take so far on the
normally podcast that has been the most contra virtial that
maybe you didn't think was going to be controversial at all.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Ooh, ooh, gosh. I have to think about this. I
think I think anytime, look, we do some critical of
the Trump administration takes right, and I think sometimes when
we do that we surprise people. But I think that
would be the area where we get feedback. But we
often get feedback that's like very thoughtful and and nice
because we cultivate that kind of audience. By the way,
(26:26):
I don't believe in man's plaining anyway. I think like
I'm one of those people who believes when men defend
man's plaining, that's they're basically like, that's how we have
a conversation. I'm like, I know, I get it. I
get that that's what's happening there because I grew up
with you brothers.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Brothers, You've got like you just said, seven between you
and Carol kids seriously here when you see some of
the situation, the situation happened in Nashville, situation that happened
in Minneapolis. We talked about parents and one conversation. Obviously,
I think we should have armed security in school. We've
(27:00):
talked a lot about that, but I don't think we
talk enough about parents. And if you know your kid
has depression issues, which hopefully you would know, or you
know your kid has mental health issues, you can strongly
believe in Second Amendment rights and also understand that that
doesn't mean that every single person in your household should
(27:20):
have access to firearms. I wish we talked more about
like I look at that kid's picture and I'm like,
this is not a person who is in mental health.
You know, good position. I don't see how mom and
dad could not know that, right. We should talk I
think more about parenting aspects here and what we should
expect parents to do.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Yeah, if that young man, young man specifically is in
your home, you have to have an inkling that this
is going very much off the rails and you need
to keep such things away from him. We also have
an issue, I think where we used to have a
way of dealing with adults Swiss, very very your mental
illness in psychosis, and they would have places that you
(28:02):
could go for that. As a parent of an adult child,
trying to get that kid to take medication or to
go to see whatever therapist he needs to see, it
comes very difficult, particularly if you're a woman with a
son who can overpower you like this is a very
tricky situation. But I do think parents have to take
responsibility for the fact that they need to know what's
(28:23):
going on with those kids. It's especially if they're in
their same house, I mean, which was the situation here.
And it would also help if the press would just
refer to the guy as a guy and stop pretending
that a woman committed this crime. It's crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I just saw this actually, Markatherine NBC news headline, and
it just goes in.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The whole story. She she, she, she.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
The Democrats have not learned their lesson on this at all.
In fact, they're doubling and tripling and quadrupling down.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
No, they really haven't, and by the way, they really haven't.
And by the way, I don't appreciate them messing up
women's mass shooting stats.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Okay, like we.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Are not playing for this one. But it's just the
media is supposed to make it easier to understand what happened,
and I know that we lost that ability a long
time ago. That value was lost some time ago. But
in situations like this, and particularly on trans stuff, the
way that they word stuff is so dependent on ideology
(29:19):
and has nothing to do with helping you understand the
facts on the ground, and it's just disgraceful. It's anti journalism.
It is the exact opposite of what you are taught
to do if you are in some way trained to
be a journalist. But now they're taught to do this,
and it's just poison.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What is Georgia's record going to be this year?
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Oh, it's gonna be perfect. See, I'm such a homer.
You can't even ask me that stuff. You can't even
ask me. It's pathetic.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Do you have games on the schedule like that you're
going to try to go to Because I'm gonna be
at FSU Alabama this weekend. I've never been to Tallahassee.
You can't wait to check it out. You've got an
absolute brood, So it becomes difficult. I know, for a
lot of people to move the whole apparatus with seasons
and everything else. Will you try to get your whole
family to games or no?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
So what usually happens is that once every four years
or so, I'll get all the kids to a game,
and in the interim, either I will go or my
husband and I will go together. I did take on
one occasion. You'll be proud. On one occasion, right after
I gave birth to my third child, she was a
month old, and I was like, I gotta go to
a Dog's game because this is the year we're gonna
win the Natty and we endidde. We indeed did so
(30:29):
I was like, I gotta get them all there so
I can say they saw the Dogs play that year.
I took three children on a twelve hour road trip
to watch the Dogs with a one month old, and yes,
that was crazy, and yes it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's awesome. I'm taking my boys, I know all of
them at least. That's the plan to the Tennessee Georgia
game in Knoxville on September thirteenth, where Tennessee is going
to finally in the losing streak to your Georgia Bulldogs,
ensuring that they are not in fact undefeated. Mary Catherineham,
where can people find your content? You do great stuff
in the podcast. You're on Fox News regularly. You write
(31:02):
on occasion for OutKick. Where would you tell people if
they're enjoying this to find you?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Just look at me at mk hammer on Twitter, at
mk hammer time on Instagram if you want, and you
can find me on normally podcasts and you should.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Awesome appreciate you. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Thank you very much. Guys have a good football weekend.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We got
a bunch. I didn't expect to get these angle callers.
(33:07):
Steven Florida. You disagree, you got a strong take what
you got?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Hey, guys, I finally get through awesome. Hey, I have
to disagree with you there, Clay about the jerseys on
one about for a guy that's young, heard you. I
happen to be from Indiana and I moved down here
in Florida about sixteen years ago. I'm a huge Peyton
Manning fan, and I have his jersey And don't think
(33:35):
for one second, how old?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Hold on, how old are you? Steve?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
I am fifty three, okay, please.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I'm forty six. I think Manning is like forty eight.
That's like same range, right, I'm talking about If you're
fifty three and you were in Florida and you went
to a game and you're wearing a nineteen year old's jersey,
I think it's a weird look. So you're in the
park of a guy that's around the same age. So
I'm not really calling you out. I'm calling out somebody
(34:05):
my age forty six, who I got. I'm gonna go
to the Florida State game, right, Alabama? If you're wearing
a Ty Simpson jersey and you are sixty and it's
not your son. I think you look like a weirdo.
U candidly cleat's making friends today. If you want to
wear a Joe Namath jersey and you're sixty, it's like, okay,
(34:26):
that guy's older than you. Is this important rule? I think?
Uh CJ and Raleigh North Carolina? Do you own any jerseys? Buck?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Me?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, I play.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think Clay answer your own question, does Buck own
any sports jerseys?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I thought maybe you had an old school like John
Starks or Patrick's nineties.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Not only do I not own a sports jersey, Clay,
I have never owned. I had jerseys for teams I've
played on, but I've never owned.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Your brothers own a jersey. I don't think so. No,
uh CJ in Raleigh North Carolina, which you got for us.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yes, So I wanted to tell you. I heard you
say you're going to go to the uh U T
Georgia game coming up in September. I went to Peyton
Manning's last football game at UT. I was staying at
the Marriott in Tenant, you know, in Knoxville, And when
I went to get in the elevator, the coach of
the Bulldogs got in with four big players and I
(35:22):
looked at him and I said, dude, I feel sorry
for you guys today because we're going to kick your
but And he looked at me and said, we're going
to a PEP rally. Will you come with us? And
I went, are you gonna kill me? And he said no.
Will you walk into the PEP rally in the big
ballroom of this hotel with me just for a minute?
And I said yeah, And I walked in and he
got everybody be quiet and he said, now, what did
(35:43):
you just tell our boys? And I told him and
I used the other hey word. I said, we're going
to kick your aa and he said, I think it's
time for you to leave. And I sat in that
game and enjoyed that game so much. And I've always
been a Peyton Manning fan.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Anyways, I give thank you for the call. I give
credit to the coaches there. That is fun, right, like
bring in an opposing fan, get everybody riled up. What
did you tell me in the elevator, We're gonna kick
your ass? That is fun. Been an awesome week, tons
of reaction pouring in. We want all of you to
stay safe, have fabulous weekends. On Labor Day, we will
be back with you guys. On Tuesday, Labor Day, We're
(36:20):
gonna spend with our families, and I hope all of
you do the same. And I hope you have fabulous weekends.
Buck you're hanging out with the.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I'm gonna be with Baby Speed and Ginger Spice. Happy birthday,
Ginger Spice. It is our Golden Doodle's birthday play, which
I don't know if dogs have birthdays, but Ginger does.
Have a great holiday week and everybody
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