August 27, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a hard-hitting and emotionally charged breakdown of the Minneapolis church shooting, where a transgender-identifying shooter opened fire at Annunciation Church, killing two children and critically injuring several others. Joined by David Rutherford, a former Navy SEAL, CIA contractor, and host of The David Rutherford Show, the segment explores the tactical, medical, and cultural dimensions of this horrific act of violence.
Rutherford offers expert analysis on mass shooting response, emphasizing the importance of armed security in schools and churches, which he calls “soft targets” for ideologically motivated attackers. Drawing from his experience as a combat medic, he details the catastrophic nature of gunshot wounds, the importance of rapid triage, and the life-or-death difference made by trained first responders. The conversation underscores the need for proactive security measures, including hiring veterans and law enforcement professionals to protect vulnerable institutions.
The hour also delves into the mental health crisis and the role of gender ideology in recent mass shootings. The hosts and Rutherford discuss the shooter’s background, including a transgender identity, early use of hormone blockers, and a disturbing manifesto that echoes themes of nihilism, self-hatred, and ideological extremism. They argue that society’s embrace of “toxic empathy” and the medicalization of gender dysphoria—especially in minors—is enabling mental illness rather than treating it.
Listeners weigh in with powerful emails and calls, raising questions about the medical establishment’s role, the insurance industry’s complicity, and the legal accountability of doctors performing gender-affirming surgeries on children. The hosts compare the current cultural climate to past global practices of genital mutilation, questioning why such procedures are condemned in some contexts but celebrated in others.
The segment closes with a broader call to action: to treat gender dysphoria as a mental health condition, not a political identity, and to prioritize truth, safety, and compassion over ideological conformity.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now we are continue to follow very closely all the
latest developments in the breaking news that's coming out about
the horrific shooting in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church, and
we know now that it was a trans terrorist. We
know that two children were killed, four are in critical
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conditional hospital, others wounded, but they will be okay. We're
joined now by our friend David Rutherford. He's a former
Navy seal and CIA contractor, a combat veteran, and host
of the David Rutherford Show podcast, which is on the
Clay and Buck Network and is growing every single month
since we've had him on, as I knew it would,
(00:42):
because more and more of you realize that's a show
you should be listening to. Dave Rutt as I call him, Rutt,
tell me let's start with this. You see this, We
know it's heartbreaking from a security and tactical perspective. This
guy comes in, the guy, this guy in, he's firing
off rifle a few minutes there. Do you think that
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our armed security presence at the church is the only thing?
I mean, how do you assess this in terms of
the security aspects of this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, Buck, thanks once. First of all, thank you to
you and Clay for having me on. My heart goes
out to the families, to the people who work at
the church, and to the police officers, everybody involved in this,
people who work at the hospitals, and the kids most especially.
This is absolutely preventable. The problem is is it requires
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a focused and concerted effort by organizations that are soft
targets like churches, like schools. And I think you know, yes,
if you were to have an armed security guard at
the front gate, it would change. I remember back after
(01:56):
the shooting down here in South Florida a few years back,
I went into my kids school and I laid it
out for him and I said, here's your autions. You know, One,
you create a fortress so nobody can penetrate the perimeter,
which is incredibly expensive. Do you arm your teachers, your staff,
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the people who work there. Or three, which requires a
tremendous amount of training. Or three you hired an arm
security guard, a former cop, a former military, someone that's
got a lot of training, understands, you know, control in
the different levels of threat and how to respond. And
they chose the third one. Put this wonderful guy Aubrey
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out in front of the school, and all the parents
felt great because the guy's an armed security guard at
the exterior of the school. So yeah, that's the way
you respond to the possibility of these types of things,
because they're going to keep happening.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I agree with everything you just said. We had a
caller from southern California. I believe her name was Katie,
a mom who said, Hey, my kids go to Catholic
school and we've got armed security. My kids have gone
both to public school KA six and then they go
to private school seven to twelve, and we have armed
security at all of their schools. Is it a no
brainer to you that as we look at all of
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these situations, the reason schools are often attacked is because
they do not have In fact, we know what the transshooter.
She actually staked out in Nashville the school in advance
to see what she needed to do to get to
those schools and chose a school that did not have security.
Isn't it just a no brainer in all fifty states
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that we should have armed security at every school.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Absolutely, Clay.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, now where we're at, whether you go to Uvaldi,
you go to Audrey Hale, or you go to Devin Erickson,
or you go to all these and Butler, all these
shooters that are that are coming out. Yeah, they're picking
soft targets for a reason. I mean, I can't even
tell you how many times where we would do an
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assessment of a target that we were going to go
hit or take down or do a snatch. And when
we did the assessment after you know, the we did
a reconnaissance on on the you know, the the place
we were going to hit, and we saw, oh god,
there's two dudes there. They've got all day CA's, they
don't have kids. I mean, it's like, oh, this is incredible. Well,
(04:31):
it's the same thing that these these you know, demented,
mentally unstable human beings are looking for. They're looking for
soft targets. So it's what it should be. The most
you know, fundamental thing that we predect above all else
in this world, and that's our children. So yeah, one
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hundred percent we should have armed guards.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Speaking to David Rutherford, host of The David Rutherford Show
on the Klambuk Podcast Network, hope you have all had
a chance to listen. If you haven't, please go check
it out. They can listen wherever you get your wherever
you get your podcast. The iHeart app is the best
place to start. iHeartRadio app. And David, you know you're
also I mean I know rud very well. Rob was
a combat medic, so you understand and have seen gunshot
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wounds in real life and had to deal with them.
What can you tell us? I mean, I don't know
if you heard, Dave. We played earlier in the show
one of a representative from the hospital who was saying,
we've got four who are in critical and then we've
got a number of others who have been treated in
the hospital but they are stay. Sorry, how many plays seven?
(05:41):
Seven who are treated but stable in the hospital. So
we those the seven that are stable, right, that's looking good.
Those look like kids, are adults, They're going to be okay.
The four who are critical is the primary at this point?
Is is it just they've stopped the bleeding? Is is
it organ damage and repair that these doctors are working
against the clock to do like what has to happen
(06:03):
here that we can get the best possible news out
of this hospital that there are no more fatalities.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think you know the challenges and I watched the
video that was on YouTube before they pulled it. There's
a bunch of people posting it right now. So I
went through and he he has a vivid breakdown of
the weapons systems that he brought into it. You know,
he had an ar platform, a shotgun, he had a
night that look like a nine mil in a thirty
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eight that he said he was going to use for
his for his own death if that, if it came
to that. So I mean when you look at every
one of those calibers, uh, they're all catastrophic injuries if
you hit h in obviously, any any vitals, yeah, yeah,
any vitals, so like for moral break, your break, the
old arteries, anything like that. But you also have if
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you have a like an open sucking chess wound and
you know, a pind of penetrating trauma to the thoracic cavity,
you know. And the challenge is is you have first
responders who show up who don't have any medical training.
So just being able to contain bleeding out like direct pressure,
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uh probably, you know, if if cops are first responders,
thank god, they'll have tourniquits on their kits. And then
but you know, the other ones that are difficult are
that penetrating trauma to the chests, because then all of
a sudden you can go into tension new mohemo thorax
where that you know that your lung collapses from you know,
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the thoracic cavity filling with blood. And the problem with
those is typically most patients, adults, adult men that I've
seen have suffered from those injuries, they they can resist.
But kids, kids crash fast, especially with these types of
tastrophic injuries. So that's the real concern I would have
(07:58):
as a combat medic. Hunt showing up is one, absolutely,
you know, triaging who has the worst injuries, stopping blood
and then really fixating on on airway right, making sure
they're perfusing oxygen in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But yeah, you know, regardless, So so this but the
seven who are stable rut, they're going to be. Okay,
it's those four that we're praying for who are still critical.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, maybe they could have they could have they could
you know, let's say it it grazed their liver or
their kidneys or their stomach. You know, post infection from
operations is a significance.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay, So there's additional so there's additional concerns. So we
got to have prayers up for every single person who's
been treated in that hospital meeting that no one's no
one's out of the woods totally yet.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Also it's like you're you're you're only okay when you're okay, right,
because the nature of gunshot injuries can can is really
difficult to know and tell.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You're all the way through and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You're through a couple of other details that are coming out.
Let me hit you guys with this. It's looking more
and more like a Covenant school shooting situation. Reports that
this shooter that his mom was a former employee at
the school, so there was a connection potentially from this transhooter,
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as the prior transhooter also had a connection to the
religious school that she shot up. Appears this guy may
have also done it. And we mentioned this before, but
I just want to reiterate. Court documents show that when
this person was seventeen years old, he legally changed his
name from male to female and began to identify as
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a woman, so as a minor for people out there,
as a miner, this individual who went on to shoot
up the school was deciding to identify as a different
as a different gender. So this was happening again in
youth and person I think is twenty two years old.
Now what should we do?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Rother I?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Buck and I both are of the opinion, and I
understand we're probably going to get attacked to the high
heavens for this. But I think Buck said it well,
where if someone has bulimia, you don't tell them they
look great and they should continue to not eat.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
If you are less are bolimia is throwing up?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But yes, similarly, Okay, I'm thankfully not an expert in
the in the eating disorder universe, but you don't reinforce
the health condition and the mental illness when you say, hey, yes,
you are an actual girl or you're an actual boy.
Aren't we just creating, in conjunction with all of these
(10:40):
drugs that were pumping into people's bodies during this a
recipe for disaster after disaster.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think what we've categorically proven over the last you know,
all the way back to Columbine, is that many, many, many,
many children, thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of children
are being medicated at early ages, right much less, you know,
the hormone blockers and the stuff that's going on with
(11:09):
with that type of madness out there for these young kids.
What's interesting is when I read the pages from his manifesto,
he was very complimentary to his parents. You didn't do
anything wrong. This is just me, you know. He even
told his siblings, I'm sorry what I'm going to do
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to your life.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But the Keia, you know, is the last piece on
that that that manifesto for me, and it says, you know, PPS.
He does a PS to his siblings, get you know,
get over the argument with your mom and you. Then
he goes to PPS and he goes I wouldn't recommend
any of you to read my journals, Comma, unless you
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really want to Comma, but be warned so you know,
there is a mental health reality to this individual that
goes way before twenty seventeen. And I'm sure if a
psychologist or a forensic psychologist or whoever criminal psychologist goes
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and we look at the profile of these journals and
these other manifestos, you see a fundamentally broken human being
that no longer is able to concoct a reason for living.
And he actually says this in the earlier pages of
that I hate how painful life is. I don't find
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a reason for shooting. And then when you watch the
video of him walking around, it's homicidal in nature. Right,
there's an underlying concurrent like there's pleasure that he's going
to receive from this final act of his you know,
very problematic and confused life.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
David Rutherford, go everyone check out the David Rutherford podcast.
Former Navy seal and a good friend of ours, Dave Frutt,
appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Thank you, God bless you.
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(16:21):
You know VIP email from Norman. If this person is
trans and has had puberty blockers, aren't they under medical care?
What role has the doctor had in this? I believe
trans is a mental issue, but if doctors are part
of the problem, the insane asylum will not be a solution.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's a very good point, by the way, on that
doctor's issue. They are part of the problem with this.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think that doctors doing trans surgeries, particularly those on miners,
should be bankrupted. This is where to me, the plaintiff
lawyers out there who are listening you guys, should be
I believe, for society's benefit, looking for these young people
who had these surgeries before they really knew what in
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the world was going on. It's one thing for a
twelve or thirteen year old who doesn't know any better
to make a choice but for an entire medical establishment
to affirm that choice to the point where they become
sterilized where where their sex organs are. Sometimes this is crazy,
this is barbaric, and I think sometimes this is where
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the plaintiff lawyers can make society far better by suing
so that the hospitals and the doctors understand, Yeah, we
can't do this anymore purely for financial reasons. There are consequences.
I think that should be happening right now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
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to Clay and Buck. So, Clay, you have some updates
for us on the story of the of the mass
shooting just happened this morning in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church.
Two children killed. A trans terrorist shooter has been identified
as the perpetrator. And you have more on the background
here of that of that demonic attacker. What can you
(19:19):
tell us?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yes, Stephen Crowder has been going through and posting all
of the manifesto so to speak, that this this shooter
put out there, and I think this is so important
because we've had callers about this. But much like the
Covenant School shooting, this person did scouting to confirm that
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he was going to be able to engage in this attack,
and he said, back focus my life. I am so
locked into the plan. Went to school this morning. Bunch
of stupid people there performative routines. The teachers have been
in the basement having their own I'm sure they briefly
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mentioned safety and active shooter training. I'm also sure they
will not be expecting and attack during the first week
of school.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
LMAO.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
This is just chilling. This is why we need arms
security at schools. These crazy people are scouting out schools
looking at whether teachers are able to respond. And if
you are out there, and I know a lot of
you are with kids in schools, grandkids in schools, your teachers,
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it is such an unbelievable no brainer to have security there.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
To Buck's point earlier, if you go back and listen
early in the show, there are some things that even
with security guards, it's very hard to stop. If you're
standing outside and you've got a gun and you just
want to start shooting in the windows of places, it
is hard to stop. It's hard to stop crazy people
from being crazy. But shouldn't we put up as many
obstacles as we possibly can to try to stop this
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from being able to happen at any school. And I
think you look at these stories, Buck, they have specifically
scouted in advance. These are very planned attacks to try
to kill as many people as possible.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We have a VP email here from Noah. He writes,
one hundred percent agree with you adding armed guards to
all schools. My girlfriend is from the Philippines and a
few years ago I went for five weeks. You can't
even walk into a McDonald's or similar style fast food
joint without an arm guard. Then go to the mall.
Each entrance has three to five arm guards with fully
automatic assault rifles and one or two with a twelve
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gage shotgun. Then metal scanners. We need higher security stands,
as the Philippines is a third World country standards, I
think is what he meant there. You don't see any
smashing grabs there. The stores of the malls have two
to five people to follow you around and get you
everything food, even at some stores. Look, he's saying, you know,
there are other places where security is much more omnipresent
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than it is here in some cases in America. But
at least we're talking about gathering places and places where
a lot of people are somewhere, they're a soft target.
And clearly this once again we had a trans terrorist
who scouted out a location and made sure there was
no armed security there and then chose that as the
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site of attack. Same thing with the Covenant School shooter.
So if we're going to try to counteract this, there's
only one logical takeaway from it, which is that armed
security makes it harder to pull off this kind of
an attack, changes the calculation of the attacker and in
some cases will either thwart the attack entirely or will
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mitigate casualties, which is also really important to the point
I was making. Be Forkay, Okay, maybe this individual, this
terrorist gets off a number of rounds, but instead of
four minutes before law enforcement arrives in the scene and
he goes and kills himself, maybe it's two minutes, Maybe
it's seventy five seconds. You know, these things can be
the difference between life and death for individuals on the scene,
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and we've had in recent weeks. Even there was a
wasn't it the mass stabbing and an armed good guy
with a gun in the parking lot stop the mass stabber.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Remember was it in Missouri? I believe you guys can
look it up. But where the guy with his own gun?
Somebody went into the food court, if I remember, and
it was just a bystander took him out before he
could injure a lot of people. I feel like it
was in Missouri somewhere. Do you remember that there's a
very well known Clipclay. I don't remember where. In Texas.
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Some of you will know where right away, but in Texas,
I believe. I'm pretty sure it was in Texas at.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
A church a guy came in with a shotgun, a
deranged maniac yep shot someone and then there was a
lifetime concealed Carrie instructor. I mean, exactly the guy you
want pulling security anywhere he drawed. He was able to
draw down and put one shot headshot from like forty
feet away and stop the threat from killing more people.
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And it was a remarkable marksmanship. And you know that happens.
We have proof that this happens.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Let me Go podcast listener, are asks a really good
question that I think is worth examining.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
R Are.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Clan Buck. I agree with the gentleman's comments from South
Carolina about the doctors. But you need to go one
step further. Who is paying the doctors? Healthcare state? Whoever
shut that down first, go after them. No doctor's going
to be doing this for free or very few. Go
to the root of the problem. It's whoever's paying for it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, and look, I think this goes to an important
part of this story, which is they are classifying in
many different respects transsurgery as necessary very medical care, which
means that insurance is often paying for these trans surgeries.
And I think it's a good point being raised. First
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of all, they aren't necessary medical care. And I'll give
you an example. Cosmetic procedures are generally not covered by insurance.
Now sometimes they are exceptions. Right, so if you had
a double misectomy, you could have breast replacement surgery as
part of your recovery from breast cancer. I think most
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of you out there would say, yes, I can understand
why that would be necessary. But you don't typically just
get to have cosmetic surgery and have it paid for
by your insurance. Right, So when they are classifying this
as medically necessary, that is significant because it's then getting
insurance to pay for these surgeries. This shouldn't be I mean,
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if this should be seen as a cosmetic surgery that
you have to pay one hundred percent out of pocket for,
that would at least dial back I would think some
of the surgeries that are taking place. And again, I
think we have to have a real conversation. And I'm
not trying to be mean, because I think a lot
of people out there, particularly women, are afraid of being
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seen as mean on this issue. But I do think
the discussion surrounding it's not kind to tell people who
have a mental illness that their mental illness is real.
It's actually deeply cruel to play along with that. With
a serious psychotic break or delusion, it's a cruel thing
to do. Buck talked about eating disorder, same thing with schizophrenia.
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If someone is seeing things that are not actually there,
if someone is hearing voices that are not actually there,
it isn't considered to be a kind thing to say, oh,
I hear those voices too, I see what you are seeing.
It does not in any way help the health of
the person to believe their mental illness is real. That's
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what we've done with the trans community.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
The more and I talked about the implementation or the
desire to implement uh Sharia based amputations in Pakistan and
appened in Malaysia and a province of Malaysia as well.
And this is within living memory, and there was there
was pushback on this from the medical communities there. Uh,
many of whom were trained internationally, of course.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So if you trained, you know, in the UK in
in medicine and then you go back to Pakistan, they're saying, hey,
this guy, I don't you know, he did something bad,
cut his hand off, But but use anesthesia. They're like, no,
I don't. I'm not going to do that, Like, that's
not what you know. Do no harm is a very
good foundation for for us for modern meds. Do no
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harm is the number one start of medical care. And
there is a there is a mental health Uh, there
there's a mental illness called body integrity identity disorder b
i i D. We've talked about it before. It is
a when a a person believes that a it's usually
a limb, that a limb is they should not have
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it and if it were removed, they would be happier.
You might say, buck, you are saying, fuck, this is crazy. Yes,
it is one hundred percent crazy. It is crazy. The
way that somebody who is skin and bones thinks they
are fat because they are severely anorexic, and that happens.
I knew somebody growing up. A friend of mine's sister
almost died from anorexia. You know, it's a serious mental
(28:26):
health issue that should be treated, and you know these
people need help. They need help. The point here is
not to stigmatize it. No, the point is to help people.
But what doesn't help them is to play. What doesn't
help is, oh, you have body and identity integrity identity disorder.
You're right, you don't need that left leg. Let's help
you safely amputated, and then you can hop around on
(28:48):
one leg the rest of your life, because that will
make you happier. What is the difference someone, The difference
is this has become a left wing fad. This has
become part of the communist the under destruction ideology that
the left has been pushing for decades now, and we
finally see how far they're willing to go. Let's go ahead,
(29:12):
Clay No.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I think that's I think it's really well said, and
I think this is a good example of toxic empathy,
where we are being taken advantage of by trying to
be kind, and it actually is profoundly unkind. We're not
helping the people here by trying to be kind. It's
important to have a real conversation about what's going on,
and that's what we're trying to do here. And by
the way, get ready, because I bet I'm going to
(29:36):
predict we are going to get attacked vociferously for sharing
this opinion as widely as we are. But I think
that's part of having a national conversation. Sometimes you have
to be willing to take some slings and arrows, and
especially when I think here we're right, and I think
we're right about something that is super significant and impacting
so many different parts of our culture.
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Closing the Wednesday edition of the program, we had a
big discussion, unfortunately again if you just get in your car,
the brutal killing eight and ten year old kids in
church pews in Minneapolis. A lot of the news breaking
during the course of the program. We have been covering
it and having a conversation about that that probably you're
(32:19):
not going to hear in most media because some of
the details make many people on the left uncomfortable about
who's doing much of the shooting out there. And uh,
let's go to Jill in Pennsylvania. She's got a question
for us, Jill, what you got.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Not that Jill did not show up? What about Joe
and Florida? Joe, what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
How you talking to me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yes, if your name is Joe and your contra, you're
firing away. Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Okay. First of all, thanks for taking my call, and
this is not to play my call, but I want
to express my sympathies for argument, the victims and their family,
the community there in.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Minneapolis for this for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The point I called to make though, is about this
transgender surgery, especially on children. First question and the point
of imposing, is the question, if secondary sexual characteristics like
genitalia and breaths do not define gender, then how does
surgically altering them affirm gender.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's an excellent argument that they have no answer to.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Let me say you you're you're kind of like mic drop.
I mean, you're completely correct. If it's not about the
physical structures, why must they change the physical structures to
be the to be the new thing. That's a great point.
And then you had a secondary point.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Second point is everybody seems to have forgotten a few
years ago. When do you remember the outcry about the
female circumcision was it was appropriately decry as horrific genital mutilation.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Many yes, in many different and African communities, this was unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
But continue the very wide spread. It was going on
a lot of sub Soheran African communities.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, cride is horrific and unacceptable on adults. How is
that now acceptable on children?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I think you nailed two arguments that expose much of
the illegitimacy of the toxic empathy that has led to
this being accepted. Buck, I think you probably would sign
off on this, and I think many people out there
have been taken advantage of on this issue because you're
trying to be kind. You feel bad that someone has
(34:35):
an idea that they are not in the body they
should be in and has convinced themselves that if they
were a different gender, that is the pathway to happiness
for them. Increasingly, however, I think all of the data
out there is showing that the surgeries do not make
people actually happier, and that demanding that we treat a
(34:56):
mental illness as a non mental illness actually has many
destructive characteristics across all parts of American society. And we
have to treat this as a mental illness, not as
something where they're preying upon our kindness. And I think
(35:16):
a lot of people me you may have initially tried
to be kind on this issue, and ultimately it's not
kind to enable people's mental illnesses to get worse.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, completely completely agree with that. Do we have any
Oh we got sorry? Go ahead?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, Yeah, I was going to read this email from
Please don't give my name on air. My daughter is
an arm teacher at school. She's been trained by retired
Army Special Forces Navy seals. She attends training courses every
three or four months. A number of signs on building
stating there are armed security members at school. We live
in Missouri. I'm proud of her, yet afraid for her
(35:54):
if she has to ever use her training. Thank you
for your daughter doing whatever she can to try to
protect the kids under her care.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thinks she's a hero. Frankly, Yeah, so many veterans and
just so many Americans listening right now, who think what
more honorable thing could you do day in and day
out than trying to protect our kids, our kids in school,
our kids in churches. So I to me, it's just
clear that there's nothing but upside to this, to meaning
(36:23):
to take these actions to protect us in more and
more places. But then I'm a guy, Clay, who you know.
I go out to dinner with my brother and I
see that. You know, he's got his pistol and I
got mine, and I'm like, everyone in this restaurant is safe.
Everybody in this restaurant is safer, whether they know it
or not. And you know, those of us who know no,
and unfortunately the demo communists they think disarming us all
(36:45):
makes us safer. More on this tomorrow
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now we are continue to follow very closely all the
latest developments in the breaking news that's coming out about
the horrific shooting in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church, and
we know now that it was a trans terrorist. We
know that two children were killed, four are in critical
(00:22):
conditional hospital, others wounded, but they will be okay. We're
joined now by our friend David Rutherford. He's a former
Navy seal and CIA contractor, a combat veteran, and host
of the David Rutherford Show podcast, which is on the
Clay and Buck Network and is growing every single month
since we've had him on, as I knew it would,
(00:42):
because more and more of you realize that's a show
you should be listening to. Dave Rutt as I call him, Rutt,
tell me let's start with this. You see this, We
know it's heartbreaking from a security and tactical perspective. This
guy comes in, the guy, this guy in, he's firing
off rifle a few minutes there. Do you think that
(01:04):
our armed security presence at the church is the only thing?
I mean, how do you assess this in terms of
the security aspects of this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, Buck, thanks once. First of all, thank you to
you and Clay for having me on. My heart goes
out to the families, to the people who work at
the church, and to the police officers, everybody involved in this,
people who work at the hospitals, and the kids most especially.
This is absolutely preventable. The problem is is it requires
(01:35):
a focused and concerted effort by organizations that are soft
targets like churches, like schools. And I think you know, yes,
if you were to have an armed security guard at
the front gate, it would change. I remember back after
(01:56):
the shooting down here in South Florida a few years back,
I went into my kids school and I laid it
out for him and I said, here's your autions. You know, One,
you create a fortress so nobody can penetrate the perimeter,
which is incredibly expensive. Do you arm your teachers, your staff,
(02:20):
the people who work there. Or three, which requires a
tremendous amount of training. Or three you hired an arm
security guard, a former cop, a former military, someone that's
got a lot of training, understands, you know, control in
the different levels of threat and how to respond. And
they chose the third one. Put this wonderful guy Aubrey
(02:42):
out in front of the school, and all the parents
felt great because the guy's an armed security guard at
the exterior of the school. So yeah, that's the way
you respond to the possibility of these types of things,
because they're going to keep happening.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I agree with everything you just said. We had a
caller from southern California. I believe her name was Katie,
a mom who said, Hey, my kids go to Catholic
school and we've got armed security. My kids have gone
both to public school KA six and then they go
to private school seven to twelve, and we have armed
security at all of their schools. Is it a no
brainer to you that as we look at all of
(03:22):
these situations, the reason schools are often attacked is because
they do not have In fact, we know what the transshooter.
She actually staked out in Nashville the school in advance
to see what she needed to do to get to
those schools and chose a school that did not have security.
Isn't it just a no brainer in all fifty states
(03:44):
that we should have armed security at every school.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Absolutely, Clay.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, now where we're at, whether you go to Uvaldi,
you go to Audrey Hale, or you go to Devin Erickson,
or you go to all these and Butler, all these
shooters that are that are coming out. Yeah, they're picking
soft targets for a reason. I mean, I can't even
tell you how many times where we would do an
(04:09):
assessment of a target that we were going to go
hit or take down or do a snatch. And when
we did the assessment after you know, the we did
a reconnaissance on on the you know, the the place
we were going to hit, and we saw, oh god,
there's two dudes there. They've got all day CA's, they
don't have kids. I mean, it's like, oh, this is incredible. Well,
(04:31):
it's the same thing that these these you know, demented,
mentally unstable human beings are looking for. They're looking for
soft targets. So it's what it should be. The most
you know, fundamental thing that we predect above all else
in this world, and that's our children. So yeah, one
(04:51):
hundred percent we should have armed guards.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Speaking to David Rutherford, host of The David Rutherford Show
on the Klambuk Podcast Network, hope you have all had
a chance to listen. If you haven't, please go check
it out. They can listen wherever you get your wherever
you get your podcast. The iHeart app is the best
place to start. iHeartRadio app. And David, you know you're
also I mean I know rud very well. Rob was
a combat medic, so you understand and have seen gunshot
(05:19):
wounds in real life and had to deal with them.
What can you tell us? I mean, I don't know
if you heard, Dave. We played earlier in the show
one of a representative from the hospital who was saying,
we've got four who are in critical and then we've
got a number of others who have been treated in
the hospital but they are stay. Sorry, how many plays seven?
(05:41):
Seven who are treated but stable in the hospital. So
we those the seven that are stable, right, that's looking good.
Those look like kids, are adults, They're going to be okay.
The four who are critical is the primary at this point?
Is is it just they've stopped the bleeding? Is is
it organ damage and repair that these doctors are working
against the clock to do like what has to happen
(06:03):
here that we can get the best possible news out
of this hospital that there are no more fatalities.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think you know the challenges and I watched the
video that was on YouTube before they pulled it. There's
a bunch of people posting it right now. So I
went through and he he has a vivid breakdown of
the weapons systems that he brought into it. You know,
he had an ar platform, a shotgun, he had a
night that look like a nine mil in a thirty
(06:31):
eight that he said he was going to use for
his for his own death if that, if it came
to that. So I mean when you look at every
one of those calibers, uh, they're all catastrophic injuries if
you hit h in obviously, any any vitals, yeah, yeah,
any vitals, so like for moral break, your break, the
old arteries, anything like that. But you also have if
(06:55):
you have a like an open sucking chess wound and
you know, a pind of penetrating trauma to the thoracic cavity,
you know. And the challenge is is you have first
responders who show up who don't have any medical training.
So just being able to contain bleeding out like direct pressure,
(07:16):
uh probably, you know, if if cops are first responders,
thank god, they'll have tourniquits on their kits. And then
but you know, the other ones that are difficult are
that penetrating trauma to the chests, because then all of
a sudden you can go into tension new mohemo thorax
where that you know that your lung collapses from you know,
(07:38):
the thoracic cavity filling with blood. And the problem with
those is typically most patients, adults, adult men that I've
seen have suffered from those injuries, they they can resist.
But kids, kids crash fast, especially with these types of
tastrophic injuries. So that's the real concern I would have
(07:58):
as a combat medic. Hunt showing up is one, absolutely,
you know, triaging who has the worst injuries, stopping blood
and then really fixating on on airway right, making sure
they're perfusing oxygen in the best possible way.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But yeah, you know, regardless, So so this but the
seven who are stable rut, they're going to be. Okay,
it's those four that we're praying for who are still critical.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, maybe they could have they could have they could
you know, let's say it it grazed their liver or
their kidneys or their stomach. You know, post infection from
operations is a significance.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay, So there's additional so there's additional concerns. So we
got to have prayers up for every single person who's
been treated in that hospital meeting that no one's no
one's out of the woods totally yet.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Also it's like you're you're you're only okay when you're okay, right,
because the nature of gunshot injuries can can is really
difficult to know and tell.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You're all the way through and.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You're through a couple of other details that are coming out.
Let me hit you guys with this. It's looking more
and more like a Covenant school shooting situation. Reports that
this shooter that his mom was a former employee at
the school, so there was a connection potentially from this transhooter,
(09:20):
as the prior transhooter also had a connection to the
religious school that she shot up. Appears this guy may
have also done it. And we mentioned this before, but
I just want to reiterate. Court documents show that when
this person was seventeen years old, he legally changed his
name from male to female and began to identify as
(09:43):
a woman, so as a minor for people out there,
as a miner, this individual who went on to shoot
up the school was deciding to identify as a different
as a different gender. So this was happening again in
youth and person I think is twenty two years old.
Now what should we do?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Rother I?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Buck and I both are of the opinion, and I
understand we're probably going to get attacked to the high
heavens for this. But I think Buck said it well,
where if someone has bulimia, you don't tell them they
look great and they should continue to not eat.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
If you are less are bolimia is throwing up?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But yes, similarly, Okay, I'm thankfully not an expert in
the in the eating disorder universe, but you don't reinforce
the health condition and the mental illness when you say, hey, yes,
you are an actual girl or you're an actual boy.
Aren't we just creating, in conjunction with all of these
(10:40):
drugs that were pumping into people's bodies during this a
recipe for disaster after disaster.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think what we've categorically proven over the last you know,
all the way back to Columbine, is that many, many, many,
many children, thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of children
are being medicated at early ages, right much less, you know,
the hormone blockers and the stuff that's going on with
(11:09):
with that type of madness out there for these young kids.
What's interesting is when I read the pages from his manifesto,
he was very complimentary to his parents. You didn't do
anything wrong. This is just me, you know. He even
told his siblings, I'm sorry what I'm going to do
(11:29):
to your life.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But the Keia, you know, is the last piece on
that that that manifesto for me, and it says, you know, PPS.
He does a PS to his siblings, get you know,
get over the argument with your mom and you. Then
he goes to PPS and he goes I wouldn't recommend
any of you to read my journals, Comma, unless you
(11:55):
really want to Comma, but be warned so you know,
there is a mental health reality to this individual that
goes way before twenty seventeen. And I'm sure if a
psychologist or a forensic psychologist or whoever criminal psychologist goes
(12:16):
and we look at the profile of these journals and
these other manifestos, you see a fundamentally broken human being
that no longer is able to concoct a reason for living.
And he actually says this in the earlier pages of
that I hate how painful life is. I don't find
(12:37):
a reason for shooting. And then when you watch the
video of him walking around, it's homicidal in nature. Right,
there's an underlying concurrent like there's pleasure that he's going
to receive from this final act of his you know,
very problematic and confused life.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
David Rutherford, go everyone check out the David Rutherford podcast.
Former Navy seal and a good friend of ours, Dave Frutt,
appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Thank you, God bless you.
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Was just on.
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He was just on the Sean Ryan Show for seven
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Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, and I would point out, uh, whatever type of
show you want. We talked to Carol Markowitz earlier, who
broke the news about who this shooter was in Minneapolis.
She and Mary Catherine Ham do a great show together
normally about just being moms. Uh. We've got Nicole Safire
on the Maha side. We've got a lot of really
(16:00):
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(16:21):
You know VIP email from Norman. If this person is
trans and has had puberty blockers, aren't they under medical care?
What role has the doctor had in this? I believe
trans is a mental issue, but if doctors are part
of the problem, the insane asylum will not be a solution.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's a very good point, by the way, on that
doctor's issue. They are part of the problem with this.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think that doctors doing trans surgeries, particularly those on miners,
should be bankrupted. This is where to me, the plaintiff
lawyers out there who are listening you guys, should be
I believe, for society's benefit, looking for these young people
who had these surgeries before they really knew what in
(17:07):
the world was going on. It's one thing for a
twelve or thirteen year old who doesn't know any better
to make a choice but for an entire medical establishment
to affirm that choice to the point where they become
sterilized where where their sex organs are. Sometimes this is crazy,
this is barbaric, and I think sometimes this is where
(17:31):
the plaintiff lawyers can make society far better by suing
so that the hospitals and the doctors understand, Yeah, we
can't do this anymore purely for financial reasons. There are consequences.
I think that should be happening right now.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
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to Clay and Buck. So, Clay, you have some updates
for us on the story of the of the mass
shooting just happened this morning in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church.
Two children killed. A trans terrorist shooter has been identified
as the perpetrator. And you have more on the background
here of that of that demonic attacker. What can you
(19:19):
tell us?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yes, Stephen Crowder has been going through and posting all
of the manifesto so to speak, that this this shooter
put out there, and I think this is so important
because we've had callers about this. But much like the
Covenant School shooting, this person did scouting to confirm that
(19:40):
he was going to be able to engage in this attack,
and he said, back focus my life. I am so
locked into the plan. Went to school this morning. Bunch
of stupid people there performative routines. The teachers have been
in the basement having their own I'm sure they briefly
(20:02):
mentioned safety and active shooter training. I'm also sure they
will not be expecting and attack during the first week
of school.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
LMAO.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
This is just chilling. This is why we need arms
security at schools. These crazy people are scouting out schools
looking at whether teachers are able to respond. And if
you are out there, and I know a lot of
you are with kids in schools, grandkids in schools, your teachers,
(20:42):
it is such an unbelievable no brainer to have security there.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
To Buck's point earlier, if you go back and listen
early in the show, there are some things that even
with security guards, it's very hard to stop. If you're
standing outside and you've got a gun and you just
want to start shooting in the windows of places, it
is hard to stop. It's hard to stop crazy people
from being crazy. But shouldn't we put up as many
obstacles as we possibly can to try to stop this
(21:10):
from being able to happen at any school. And I
think you look at these stories, Buck, they have specifically
scouted in advance. These are very planned attacks to try
to kill as many people as possible.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
We have a VP email here from Noah. He writes,
one hundred percent agree with you adding armed guards to
all schools. My girlfriend is from the Philippines and a
few years ago I went for five weeks. You can't
even walk into a McDonald's or similar style fast food
joint without an arm guard. Then go to the mall.
Each entrance has three to five arm guards with fully
automatic assault rifles and one or two with a twelve
(21:44):
gage shotgun. Then metal scanners. We need higher security stands,
as the Philippines is a third World country standards, I
think is what he meant there. You don't see any
smashing grabs there. The stores of the malls have two
to five people to follow you around and get you
everything food, even at some stores. Look, he's saying, you know,
there are other places where security is much more omnipresent
(22:07):
than it is here in some cases in America. But
at least we're talking about gathering places and places where
a lot of people are somewhere, they're a soft target.
And clearly this once again we had a trans terrorist
who scouted out a location and made sure there was
no armed security there and then chose that as the
(22:27):
site of attack. Same thing with the Covenant School shooter.
So if we're going to try to counteract this, there's
only one logical takeaway from it, which is that armed
security makes it harder to pull off this kind of
an attack, changes the calculation of the attacker and in
some cases will either thwart the attack entirely or will
(22:48):
mitigate casualties, which is also really important to the point
I was making. Be Forkay, Okay, maybe this individual, this
terrorist gets off a number of rounds, but instead of
four minutes before law enforcement arrives in the scene and
he goes and kills himself, maybe it's two minutes, Maybe
it's seventy five seconds. You know, these things can be
the difference between life and death for individuals on the scene,
(23:10):
and we've had in recent weeks. Even there was a
wasn't it the mass stabbing and an armed good guy
with a gun in the parking lot stop the mass stabber.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Remember was it in Missouri? I believe you guys can
look it up. But where the guy with his own gun?
Somebody went into the food court, if I remember, and
it was just a bystander took him out before he
could injure a lot of people. I feel like it
was in Missouri somewhere. Do you remember that there's a
very well known Clipclay. I don't remember where. In Texas.
(23:43):
Some of you will know where right away, but in Texas,
I believe. I'm pretty sure it was in Texas at.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
A church a guy came in with a shotgun, a
deranged maniac yep shot someone and then there was a
lifetime concealed Carrie instructor. I mean, exactly the guy you
want pulling security anywhere he drawed. He was able to
draw down and put one shot headshot from like forty
feet away and stop the threat from killing more people.
(24:09):
And it was a remarkable marksmanship. And you know that happens.
We have proof that this happens.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Let me Go podcast listener, are asks a really good
question that I think is worth examining.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
R Are.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Clan Buck. I agree with the gentleman's comments from South
Carolina about the doctors. But you need to go one
step further. Who is paying the doctors? Healthcare state? Whoever
shut that down first, go after them. No doctor's going
to be doing this for free or very few. Go
to the root of the problem. It's whoever's paying for it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, and look, I think this goes to an important
part of this story, which is they are classifying in
many different respects transsurgery as necessary very medical care, which
means that insurance is often paying for these trans surgeries.
And I think it's a good point being raised. First
(25:10):
of all, they aren't necessary medical care. And I'll give
you an example. Cosmetic procedures are generally not covered by insurance.
Now sometimes they are exceptions. Right, so if you had
a double misectomy, you could have breast replacement surgery as
part of your recovery from breast cancer. I think most
(25:31):
of you out there would say, yes, I can understand
why that would be necessary. But you don't typically just
get to have cosmetic surgery and have it paid for
by your insurance. Right, So when they are classifying this
as medically necessary, that is significant because it's then getting
insurance to pay for these surgeries. This shouldn't be I mean,
(25:53):
if this should be seen as a cosmetic surgery that
you have to pay one hundred percent out of pocket for,
that would at least dial back I would think some
of the surgeries that are taking place. And again, I
think we have to have a real conversation. And I'm
not trying to be mean, because I think a lot
of people out there, particularly women, are afraid of being
(26:15):
seen as mean on this issue. But I do think
the discussion surrounding it's not kind to tell people who
have a mental illness that their mental illness is real.
It's actually deeply cruel to play along with that. With
a serious psychotic break or delusion, it's a cruel thing
to do. Buck talked about eating disorder, same thing with schizophrenia.
(26:38):
If someone is seeing things that are not actually there,
if someone is hearing voices that are not actually there,
it isn't considered to be a kind thing to say, oh,
I hear those voices too, I see what you are seeing.
It does not in any way help the health of
the person to believe their mental illness is real. That's
(26:59):
what we've done with the trans community.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
The more and I talked about the implementation or the
desire to implement uh Sharia based amputations in Pakistan and
appened in Malaysia and a province of Malaysia as well.
And this is within living memory, and there was there
was pushback on this from the medical communities there. Uh,
many of whom were trained internationally, of course.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So if you trained, you know, in the UK in
in medicine and then you go back to Pakistan, they're saying, hey,
this guy, I don't you know, he did something bad,
cut his hand off, But but use anesthesia. They're like, no,
I don't. I'm not going to do that, Like, that's
not what you know. Do no harm is a very
good foundation for for us for modern meds. Do no
(27:40):
harm is the number one start of medical care. And
there is a there is a mental health Uh, there
there's a mental illness called body integrity identity disorder b
i i D. We've talked about it before. It is
a when a a person believes that a it's usually
a limb, that a limb is they should not have
(28:02):
it and if it were removed, they would be happier.
You might say, buck, you are saying, fuck, this is crazy. Yes,
it is one hundred percent crazy. It is crazy. The
way that somebody who is skin and bones thinks they
are fat because they are severely anorexic, and that happens.
I knew somebody growing up. A friend of mine's sister
almost died from anorexia. You know, it's a serious mental
(28:26):
health issue that should be treated, and you know these
people need help. They need help. The point here is
not to stigmatize it. No, the point is to help people.
But what doesn't help them is to play. What doesn't
help is, oh, you have body and identity integrity identity disorder.
You're right, you don't need that left leg. Let's help
you safely amputated, and then you can hop around on
(28:48):
one leg the rest of your life, because that will
make you happier. What is the difference someone, The difference
is this has become a left wing fad. This has
become part of the communist the under destruction ideology that
the left has been pushing for decades now, and we
finally see how far they're willing to go. Let's go ahead,
(29:12):
Clay No.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I think that's I think it's really well said, and
I think this is a good example of toxic empathy,
where we are being taken advantage of by trying to
be kind, and it actually is profoundly unkind. We're not
helping the people here by trying to be kind. It's
important to have a real conversation about what's going on,
and that's what we're trying to do here. And by
the way, get ready, because I bet I'm going to
(29:36):
predict we are going to get attacked vociferously for sharing
this opinion as widely as we are. But I think
that's part of having a national conversation. Sometimes you have
to be willing to take some slings and arrows, and
especially when I think here we're right, and I think
we're right about something that is super significant and impacting
so many different parts of our culture.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
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Closing the Wednesday edition of the program, we had a
big discussion, unfortunately again if you just get in your car,
the brutal killing eight and ten year old kids in
church pews in Minneapolis. A lot of the news breaking
during the course of the program. We have been covering
it and having a conversation about that that probably you're
(32:19):
not going to hear in most media because some of
the details make many people on the left uncomfortable about
who's doing much of the shooting out there. And uh,
let's go to Jill in Pennsylvania. She's got a question
for us, Jill, what you got.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Not that Jill did not show up? What about Joe
and Florida? Joe, what you got for us?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
How you talking to me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yes, if your name is Joe and your contra, you're
firing away. Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Okay. First of all, thanks for taking my call, and
this is not to play my call, but I want
to express my sympathies for argument, the victims and their family,
the community there in.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Minneapolis for this for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The point I called to make though, is about this
transgender surgery, especially on children. First question and the point
of imposing, is the question, if secondary sexual characteristics like
genitalia and breaths do not define gender, then how does
surgically altering them affirm gender.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's an excellent argument that they have no answer to.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Sir.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Let me say you you're you're kind of like mic drop.
I mean, you're completely correct. If it's not about the
physical structures, why must they change the physical structures to
be the to be the new thing. That's a great point.
And then you had a secondary point.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Second point is everybody seems to have forgotten a few
years ago. When do you remember the outcry about the
female circumcision was it was appropriately decry as horrific genital mutilation.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Many yes, in many different and African communities, this was unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
But continue the very wide spread. It was going on
a lot of sub Soheran African communities.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, cride is horrific and unacceptable on adults. How is
that now acceptable on children?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I think you nailed two arguments that expose much of
the illegitimacy of the toxic empathy that has led to
this being accepted. Buck, I think you probably would sign
off on this, and I think many people out there
have been taken advantage of on this issue because you're
trying to be kind. You feel bad that someone has
(34:35):
an idea that they are not in the body they
should be in and has convinced themselves that if they
were a different gender, that is the pathway to happiness
for them. Increasingly, however, I think all of the data
out there is showing that the surgeries do not make
people actually happier, and that demanding that we treat a
(34:56):
mental illness as a non mental illness actually has many
destructive characteristics across all parts of American society. And we
have to treat this as a mental illness, not as
something where they're preying upon our kindness. And I think
(35:16):
a lot of people me you may have initially tried
to be kind on this issue, and ultimately it's not
kind to enable people's mental illnesses to get worse.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, completely completely agree with that. Do we have any
Oh we got sorry? Go ahead?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
No, Yeah, I was going to read this email from
Please don't give my name on air. My daughter is
an arm teacher at school. She's been trained by retired
Army Special Forces Navy seals. She attends training courses every
three or four months. A number of signs on building
stating there are armed security members at school. We live
in Missouri. I'm proud of her, yet afraid for her
(35:54):
if she has to ever use her training. Thank you
for your daughter doing whatever she can to try to
protect the kids under her care.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Thinks she's a hero. Frankly, Yeah, so many veterans and
just so many Americans listening right now, who think what
more honorable thing could you do day in and day
out than trying to protect our kids, our kids in school,
our kids in churches. So I to me, it's just
clear that there's nothing but upside to this, to meaning
(36:23):
to take these actions to protect us in more and
more places. But then I'm a guy, Clay, who you know.
I go out to dinner with my brother and I
see that. You know, he's got his pistol and I
got mine, and I'm like, everyone in this restaurant is safe.
Everybody in this restaurant is safer, whether they know it
or not. And you know, those of us who know no,
and unfortunately the demo communists they think disarming us all
(36:45):
makes us safer. More on this tomorrow
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