October 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful mix of political analysis, cultural commentary, and listener engagement. The hour opens with updates on President Donald Trump’s multi-hour call with Vladimir Putin, which Trump says will lead to high-level advisor meetings and a future summit in Budapest aimed at ending the Russia-Ukraine war. Clay and Buck examine Trump’s diplomatic momentum following the Gaza peace deal and discuss whether his approach could reshape global negotiations.
The conversation shifts to domestic politics, spotlighting New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani and his Fox News interview with Martha MacCallum. Mamdani refused to credit Trump for the Gaza peace agreement, calling it “too early,” and offered vague answers on Hamas disarmament.
Clay and Buck critique Mamdani’s progressive agenda—tax hikes, rent freezes, and city-run grocery stores—arguing these policies would harm New York’s economy and worsen affordability. They also highlight Mamdani’s recent apology to police for past “defund” rhetoric, framing it as political damage control.
Next, the hosts dive into Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s CNN town hall comments on “toxic masculinity” and Republican success online. AOC claimed conservatives radicalize young men through “insecure masculinity,” sparking a broader discussion on gender politics. Clay and Buck argue Democrats have alienated young men by vilifying masculinity, contrasting today’s cultural climate with the meritocratic ideals of past generations.
They explore how societal shifts—from the rise of social media to the MeToo movement—have fueled resentment among men and contributed to their migration toward the GOP. Buck underscores masculinity’s role in building civilization, while Clay emphasizes the difference between equality and sameness, warning that efforts to blur gender roles have left both men and women dissatisfied.
Hour 3 also features listener calls, including a mother explaining why her 21-year-old son voted for Trump after years of being told he was “evil” for being male. The discussion expands into historical context, with Clay noting that slavery existed across all civilizations and that modern narratives often distort history for political gain.
Adding a lighter twist, Clay and Buck engage with a caller who completed the Catalina Island swim, sparking a humorous yet fascinating conversation about night swims, shark encounters, and ocean challenges. They debate whether Clay could handle an Alcatraz swim and share anecdotes about great white sightings near Manhattan Beach, blending serious topics with entertaining banter.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've got a bunch
of different stories that we are chasing today. President Trump
had a multi hour long call with Vladimir Putin. The
impact of that call, according to President Trump's statements, are
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that there will be a meeting between Trump and Putin
in Budapest and that there will be a meeting very
soon between high level advisors the United States. Initial meeting
will be led, according to President Trump, by Secretary of
State Marco Rubio, and a meeting location to be determined.
(00:47):
So the goal there to try and end the war
that is taking place right now in Ukraine. President Trump
writing a great deal of momentum off of the release
of the hostages and the positive directions that things are
moving in that context. Now, we also have John Fetterman
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potentially facing a Senate challenge for not being committed enough
to crazy left wing ideals. That is according to an
Axios report. We've been talking about Mom Donnie making his
initial appearance on Fox News, Martha McCollum asking the big
questions of Mom Donnie and Mom Donnie being frankly very
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good at dodging responsibility for much of his public commentary.
Now he did say, Buck, and I think we have
this audio. I want to make sure we pull it up.
He did publicly apologize to police officers for saying that
he had previously said they should be defunded. He also
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said it was too early to give Trump credit for
the Gaza peace deal, and so so let me hit
a couple of those.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Here is cut twenty three.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Martha McCollum says, hey, does President Trump deserve credit for
the peace deal? And Mom Donnie said it's too early,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still
just this in the last few days, that five Palestinians
were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives
me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration
at a moment when it is still so in its infancy.
And what I will tell you is that in that
same moment, it is also one that requires a focus
on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better
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future is one that is emblematic in our policies right
here in New York City as well. And that's what
we're hoping to lead with Willie. Would you give President
Trump credit or not to any extent credit or not.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I think it's too early to do so, too early
to say.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But if it proves to be something that is lasting,
something that is durable, then I think that that's where
you give credit.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Can I just one quick thing, Clay, because we talked
about it. He's saying, the five Palestinians were killed. Where's
the outrage, where's the condemnation, or even just the conversation
about the public executions, you know, summary judgment and execution
of captives by Hamas that occurred in the last twenty
(03:09):
four hours. I mean, they're they're they're bounding and gag
you know, gagging, tying up, blindfolding, and shooting people in
the back of the head on the street. And there's
I don't see any of these people that are so
concerned about gosins concerned about those gosins.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It seems quite strange.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, And I also think it's funny the way this
is covered. Uh there's a big article in New York
Times about Mom Donnie going on, uh the Martha McCollum show.
Here's a couple of the paragraphs. This is how The
New York Times covered it. Since mister mom Donnie's rapid
rise to the top of New York City politics, Fox
News has led a right wing media effort to characterize
him as an avatar of the Democrat Party grown to
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beholden to its factions on the far left. The network's
contributors often point to his thin political experience, past comments
about law enforcement and proposals to increase tax is on
New York's wealthiest residents as both disqualifying and dangerous to
New York City, America's largest financial center. Yes, this is
all very accurate, and it's it's written as if it's like,
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oh my goodness, can you believe all the crazy things
they say on Fox News about mom Donnie. He wants
to tax everyone who makes money in New York City
into virtual oblivion. So that is one star of the
New York City Democrat Party. Now the other star of
the New York City Democrat Party in New York City
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is AOC. And I wanted to play this for you, Buck.
This was last night Bernie Sanders and AOC had a
town hall with Caitlyn Collins and she was asked, AOC
was why are Republicans successful online, and she said two
different things. One because we'll just listen to her, I
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won't characterize it. Here's cut eighteen.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
When they talk about Republicans and their success online, they
have been successful because they have also been very clear,
especially digitally, about what they believe. That women are inferior,
that do not and they do not deserve equal rights.
That they believe that lgbt Q Americans are subhuman. That
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they believe and are circulating disgusting racial and and white
supremacist messaging, that they are able to get away with
digital digitally and.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Online, get get away with this is they have no
hope for young men. I mean, I just wrote a
book it's coming out called Ball's Buck. But this is
this is not a good pitch. I just don't think
AOC is very aware of how the internet works. Based
on that answer, I want AOC to be the great
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commie splainer of masculinity for the Democrats. I want her
to be out in the forefront telling all young men
because because they have, as Democrats would say, their lived experience,
they have been through men, particularly now in their twenties.
They've been through the COVID shutdowns and the complete eradication
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of free speech, scientific inquiry, and everything else that the
left manufactured during that. They've been through the toxic masculinity talks.
They've been through CNN doing documentaries about how college campuses
are quote like hunting grounds for the constant sexual assaults
and sexual abusers that are other college students.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
They've been through all of this, and they know that
something is really wrong with the Democrat Party. And if
the Democrat Party's response is going to be no, actually,
your toxic masculinity is the problem.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Great, stay with that. Stay on that.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Democrats have AOC tell young men how they should really
feel about things, and if they don't agree with her,
it's because they're sexist and racist. Love it, keep it going,
Blast it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
From the rooftops.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's exactly what she did. And cut nineteen buck. She's
listening to you, she's running the game plan. Cut nineteen
AOC last night on CNN.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
They are able to radicalize and target and exploit a
generation of young boys, in particular, away from healthy masculinity
and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of
others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender
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than them, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basest and worst
parts of human.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Nature, toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I think about this all the time because I've
got three boys, and also because I just wrote the
book Book. But the Democrat brand it has become a
slur for young men. They will accuse each other of
being Democrats. Black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men,
teenage young men. I don't know how they come back
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from this. I am very certain that it is not
by having a woman lecture young men that they are
actually toxic, because that's why they've left in the first place.
We don't talk ever. Have you ever heard anybody talk
about toxic femininity. Have you ever heard a huge national
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discussion about how women are toxic and they are destroying
the country. Maybe we need to have that conversation because
liberal women are toxic and they are destroying the country.
But young men have been told their entire lives that
they are the problem. And this is me getting on
the soapbox because I think about this so much. Buck,
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I see the world through the eyes of my kids.
You and I are roughly of the age, and a
lot of listeners are out there where we were raised
in the idea that men and women should both be
able to aspire to the apex of success, whatever it
might be. Become president, fud fly a plane, whatever you want
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to do, be an astronaut. Everyone should be able to
aspire to the apex, to pursue the meritocracy to the
fullest extent of their ability. And I think everybody out
there nods along and says, yeah, that's good. Men, women
be the best, be the best that you can be.
There's a difference between be the best that you can be,
which I would say is the culture and era in
which you and I were raised and women are better
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than men. And sometime around and I don't know the
exact year, but sometime around two thousand and twelve ten fourteen,
in that era of social media rising and Barack Obama,
we moved from women and men should both be able
to be as successful as they possibly can to men
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are bad. Certainly me too accelerated it and women are
better than men. And we this is the era now
that young men are being raised in and they're looking
around and saying, why am I being blamed for everything?
In America. Actually, America is awesome first of all. Secondly,
to a large degree, America is awesome because of brave
men and women. But a lot of brave men and
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masculinity isn't toxic at all. And so that is I
think the foundational issue that emerged in twenty twenty four,
and Democrats don't seem capable of addressing it in any
way that is going to be successful. I think it's
getting worse for them.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think you could not have civilization as we have
come to know it without men embracing their masculinity. Yes,
I think that if it were not for men who
were willing to put their lives on the line and
lose their lives to fight for something bigger than themselves,
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that were not for men who would spend the longest
of hours and make tremendous personal sacrifice and in a
sense give their lives in a different way to the
pursuit of incredible inventions or exploration or technological advancement or
building something, whether it's a skyscraper, a manufacturing plant.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Or a cathedral.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Right, if it weren't for men willing to take masculinity
in its different forms to the extreme or to its
maybe its most appropriate you could argue level, its highest level.
Then we would not have the civilization that we enjoy
right now, and that I think is forgotten or rather
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entirely suppressed by the angry and bitter feminist left, which
has sadly tragically led an entire generation, really now a
couple of generations of American women who buy into that
stuff down a pathway that is not fulfilling, that is
filled with bitterness and self pity, and is ultimately a
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bad life course. And this is just the reality that
you see. I mean, I've said this before. I've had
this talk with many people, including in my own family,
that I think the sex and the city ification of
American women has been horrendously undermining for their long term happiness.
And I know they can say, oh, I'm man explainning
I'm a man, what do why know? You know, I'm
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in my forties. I've seen a lot, and I pay attention,
and I actually want what's best for men and for
women in this country. And there's been a huge departure
from civilizational norms that are the basis for building our civilization,
which is, of course family cohesion, it is male and
female parental roles and espousal roles and roles within a
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civilization itself, within society, and we pay the price for that.
And you can just see this all around, Clay. It's
a very sad thing. We've talked with this in their day.
I know so many women now because they're my age
that I grew up with in New York who did
this sort of eat prey love through your twenties and
thirties thing. And maybe they had some job and I
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don't know, you know, marketing or PR or advertising or
something that they liked, but weren't really that invested in,
not like a life's calling. They're not heart surgeons. And
now they're unmarried. They look around, they don't have families.
It's hard to start a family at that age. Biological
reality kicks in. Being forty four year old woman, it's
not easy to have kids. And they look around and
they want someone to explain this to them, and unfortunately
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the Democrats say it's men's fault, yes, and that's not true.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So this is where we are.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I don't know if people can see it in some
other lens or some other men are, but men, I
think see this and say to themselves. I didn't cause this,
And actually it was the people saying that toxic, that
men are toxic, that convince women to go down this
pathway where effectively they are trying to compete with and
act as men in ways that are not going to
be fulfilled. So you go, I think that's all said,
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and I've spent a ton of time. I love this topic.
This is a big part of the book. There's a
difference between equality and sameness. You can treat everyone equal,
but it doesn't mean that they're the same.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And we spend so much time on this idea to
kind of build on what you said and kind of
maybe distill it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We have told men they should be more like women,
and we have told women they should be more like men.
And the result is men don't like by and large,
women who act like men, and women do not like
men who act like women. And so when you're trying
to androgenize the sexes, you're actually driving everybody unhappily away
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from each other. And to Buck's point, this is what
you end up with a lot of people who are
sitting around saying, wait a minute, I made all these
good choices, and I wanted to have kids, and I
can't find a man.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's the man's fault. That's where we are.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
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Speaker 5 (15:07):
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Speaker 5 (16:28):
Welcome back into Clayn Buck. Caroline Levitt, White House Press
Secretary throwing a haymaker today. She does that a lot.
Actually not like it's just another Thursday. I guess this
is thirty six. Here she is on the Democrat Party
state of play hit it.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
The Democrat Party's main constituency are made up of Hamas, terrorists,
illegal aliens, and violent criminals. That is who the Democrat
Party is catering to, not the Trump administration and not
the White House and not the Republican Party, who is
standing up for law of Americans, not just across the
country but around the world.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Clay, if someone's gonna like hamas, illegals and violent criminals,
ninety nine point nine percent chance it's a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, they're wrong on everything, and that's why I was
saying with Mom Donnie, you need an articulate voice who
can help to camouflage the fact that every opinion you
have is wrong. And I think Mam Donnie is I
don't think. I think he's way smarter, my Mom Donnie,
than AOC. But I think they see AOC as that
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I think they see Gavin Newsom as that, right, somebody
who is just really uh smooth and charismatic and as
you like to say, I do. I do find it
really funny how many different buttons has Gavin Newsom undone
on his dress area. You know, he goes when he
thinks the ladies are watching, he goes down to the navel,
down to the navel.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Indeed, uh and uh, down to the navel.
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Speaker 2 (18:55):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
As we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,
I wanted to hit this because the conversation we just
had Julianne, this is what I hear all the time.
She has got a twenty one year old son. She's
listening on in the Twin Cities on News Talk eleven
thirty one oh three point five Radio appreciate everybody up
in the Twin Cities listening along. And she said her
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twenty one year old son voted for Trump. Listen to
what she says. I think what she is hitting is
actually a huge part of why so many young men
moved to the Trump voting universe in twenty twenty four.
Let's play Julienne.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Hy this sist, Julianne. I just wanted to call and
say that my twenty one year old son voted for Trump,
not necessarily because he was a one hundred percent Trump fan,
but because for his entire life he was told he
was evil and bad and responsible for all the ills
in the world because he was a white male. And
they are tired of that, and so they sought to
support the party that was based on merrit time democracy.
(20:01):
And I think it's a huge problem in the Democratic Party, amen.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And it's, by the way, spiraled away from just white men,
because initially we were told, oh, white men are the
problem with everything, and then it wasn't enough to just
say white men, you had to say black men, Asian men,
Hispanic men, and all young men. They feel it, They
feel it deep in their soul that they are being
blamed with everything that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Any Way, most things are awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I would just point out most things that men helped
build throughout the entire history of the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Most things are pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I feel like you just gave away the title of
your third book, after Clay's magnum Opus Balls. The third
book will be men are Awesome. There we go, Men
are awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean, I get Look, there are some things that stink, right,
Not everything in history was great. Slavery probably not a
great thing, right, But it wasn't just white guys who
did slavery in America, right like this, You've talked about
this before, but one of the great failings of Western
civilization in general is that we have reached a world
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where huge numbers of people that benefit from Western civilization
are such beneficiaries that they're able to be morons, and
they don't know any history at all, such that a
lot of people out there think that only America ever
had slavery. I mean, just study basic history. Everyone, everyone
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listening to me right now, trust me on this. Everyone
listening to me right now has ancestors that were slaves, White, Black, Asian.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And Hispanic.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Every single one of you listening to me right now,
at some point in your lifetime, one of your ancestors,
probably many of them, were both slaves and slaveholders. I
would venture that's true for almost every single person. If
you study human civilization at all, Slavery was a huge
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part of all of human civilization. And all of us
have in our DNA both slaves and in slavers. I
guarantee it, every single one of you, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
It's always funny. Remember, speaking of the View, we were
making fun of the girls on the View yesterday. Remember
when they found out that Sonny Hostin's family were actually
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huge slaveholders, and she was so disappointed because her entire
public persona is racism, racism, racism. And then it turns
out Sonny Houston in the recorded history recent history of
her family were some of the biggest slaveholders. I think
it was in Puerto Rico of anyone out there. So again,
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I'm just telling you it doesn't get talked about enough,
but is likely choosion. We still have those callers who
were weighing in for the question that Buck asked, are
they still there, Kathleen?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What you got for is Kathleen, Hey.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Thanks for having me on the show, I slammed Catalina
buck fire.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
What questions do you have for well? Okay, so when
so it wasn't night right?
Speaker 10 (23:20):
Yes, all the swims are at night, and that's the
Santa Anna wins coming off the coast.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
What do you tell yourself when you're swimming there? It's
not boats, it's the wind currents that make it. It's
bothier what I saw online. I thought the boats would
be scarier, but apparently the wind currents are worse.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
No, there's very little boat traffic out there. Is The
winds lie down at night and it's much easier for
a swimmer tat to cross. They pick up beginning around
noon and it gets it gets much rougher.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Okay, now you got to help me here. That area
of the world. I know because I was a avid
watcher of Shark Week when it actually used to be
pretty cool. They are very large, great white sharks that
are common in that area. When you're swimming in the
blackie uh, the inky black waters of the you know,
off Catalida Island. What are you thinking to yourself about
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the shark situation?
Speaker 10 (24:14):
It doesn't even phaze me. I've done all night swims
numerous times there. I swam north from Santa Barbara, Uh,
Santa Barbara Channel Santa Cruz into Oxnard. It really doesn't
bother me. It's kind of creepy the first five minutes
I'm in. I settle in and sharks are way way
back there in my head.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
That's amazing to me, Like, this is one of these things. Clay, where,
by the way, are you glad? Are you glad you
did it? Did you get super tired?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Did you where you worried you're gonna have to get
in the launch boat and not finish it?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Or were you pretty good to go?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
No?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
I plowed right through that swim. It's one of the
best swims I ever did. I've done, you know, twenty
five or so of the world's great swims.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
And then okay, I gotta ask. Okay, so you're like,
you're a legit. You're a legit, serious, serious ocean swimmer.
My man Clay Travis over here. He's got a great
head of hair, he's got a great voice. But does
he have what it takes to swim from Alcatraz?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Do you think.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Did she just hang up? Wow?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Did I think she just bailed on you? Buddy? She's
like I can't. I can't. I can't be help responsible.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
For whatever happens, like she intentionally hung up there rather
than I thought I heard the click, and it doesn't
happen very often.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I did research on this after you talked about the
Great White attacking the guy in Catalina supposedly, and we
have a lot of listeners in San Francisco. In fact,
I met one of them walking through the airport. He
came over to me as I was getting on my
flight yesterday and he was like, man, I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I was in.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Charleston for the weekend. He was there with his daughter,
so he lives in San Francisco. But I was doing research.
This may surprise you, and I want to say I
could be totally wrong on this, so I am open
to the argument that I am totally wrong on this.
What I saw was that San Francisco Bay is only
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like fifteen or twenty feet deep. In other words, that
if you look out to Alcatraz, that the water is
actually not very deep at all. Now, some of you
are probably San Francisco Bay experts.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It gets very.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Deep once you go underneath the Golden Gate or once
you go after the other way, you know, underneath the
bay bridge, I think. But the actual bay where Alcatraz is,
it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep, and so great
whites aren't there, very frequently bucked because the water is
not deep enough and they don't like the shallows.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Kathleen, is she back?
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Yes, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Did you hang up because you were certain that I
would be eaten by a great white?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or how do you think I would do it?
Speaker 10 (26:48):
At all? Not at all? You know, sharks really aren't
a problem. They are more of a problem up around
the San Francisco area, but down around Catalina. Yes, there
are critters out there. Things you come to accept if
you're a marathon swimmer. I've had sharks swimmer I first.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
To as critters. I think that's hilarious. One of these
things you expect. You have seen sharks around you when
you're swimming on these marathon swims.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Not often. It happened to me right off California, right
in La Joya. I was swimming, just a little training swim,
and a couple of sharks looked up at me, or
they just passed right underneath me. I call them Bob
and Ierma and they just came swim right by me,
not a problem. I left them alone, They left me alone, and.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You kept your swim going.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There were just a couple of sharks there, and you're like, hey,
we're cool, no worries, Like I'm just gonna let them
swim underneath me.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I would believe that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Kathleen's braver than me. I I but I think I
might be right about again. Some of you were probably
nautical experts, maybe nature experts. I think they've dredged San
Francisco Bay, but it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep.
And my research on because they say the waters of
our gatraz shark infected, infested, which makes sense because you
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doutside of San Francisco Bay there are large colonies of seals,
and seals are the preferred food of these very large
great white sharks. But that is just outside the mouth
of the bay. But there are tons of the seals
now that come in and rest at the piers in
you know, in the in the warehouse or whatever that
(28:25):
area is called. Yeah, and it's very cool. Peer forty two,
I think I might be the wrong number. Tourists feed
them and then they become kind of sassy. You've ever
seen these videos they get all these seals get sassy.
But what I was told was not the military kind.
By the way, I'm not trying to get my ass
kicked here. I'm talking about the mammals that swim. There
aren't that many great whites because it is actually not
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deep enough for the sharks to be enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Clay that you've.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Ever seen, You ever seen the shark attack videos and
stuff that they go in pretty shallow water. My friend,
I'm not trying to psych you out here, but I
get it well, I'm telling you there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So the great white thing that you told me about
the Catalina Island swim has got me shook also. And
I know a lot of people are listening in LA.
They had a great white that would hang out all
the time right off the Manhattan Beach Pier. And those
of you who are in the South Bay just south
of LA, the Manhattan Beach area is beautiful. Shell Back
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one of the great all time bars, Great Beach Bar,
one of the great beach bars of all time, along
with the Flora Bama Ajs where I am now, but
Spinnaker's and Lavilla Back in the day, but shell back
right off, which is right off of the pier, they
have a great white that always circles around out there.
(29:44):
And I think the great white that always circles around
out there, he basically just lives there and everybody's like, hey, yeah,
that's our great white shark. I think he attacked somebody recently,
because by recently, I mean the last couple of years.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
They chum the waters to fish, yeah, off the Manhattan
Each Pier, and so then somebody got in the water
and they got attacked because the guy the sharks go
crazy when they chump the waters, and they got to
I think all of this is true.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You guys in Manhattan Beach can let me know if
I'm wrong. But I think there's a great white right off.
And I was like, I fine, I don't need to
really swim.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Maybe my thinking on this is also affected by the
fact that I have a friend down here in South
Florida who's an attorney who is an avid scuba guy,
and like, didn't been doing scuba for forty years, right,
So his guys guys in his mid fifties, made mid
late fifties, and he told me the story of witnessing
(30:39):
and he showed me on the International Shark Attack File
he witnessed a fatal shark attack.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, and I would never get in the water again.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And and he he was in the water, he saw it,
and I'm gonna tell you that stuck. We're at a
I was at a cocktail party. I was one of
these things where I asked him. I said, he's been
on all these diys. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen.
He's like, well, I don't talk about a lot, but
it's like I witnessed it. It was a tiger shark. I
witness a fatal tiger shark attack. And he went into
the details. I'm not gonna lie, man.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I was.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I was not going above my uh my ankles at
the beach here in Florida for a while.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
It was it was one of those things where were
we were going to talk about something else what happened here.
We just got totally diverted into shark attack with Sunday
Hang material. Though, for those of you who don't know
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and ty in Montana writes in he says he's a
former Navy diver who says you can't do your job
as a navy diver if you're worried about sharks in
San Francisco Bay. He says it's deeper than twenty feet.
I think it depends where you are. Otherwise they'd never
get their big navy ships out of port there. Yeah,
they're dredged areas that are deeper, but there are the
(35:31):
average According to Grocklay, the average depth of the San
Francisco Bay is fifteen feet, which is strikes me as
very shallow.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yes, I mean that stunned me. Again.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It makes me a little bit less afraid because great whites,
as you might imagine, are not fun typically of shallower waters.
And so yeah, the average depth is not actually that
deep in the San Francisco Bay.
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Tomorrow, by the way, we got a bunch for you.
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We'll hit you with some more of that mom Donnie,
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Is that accurate?
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We don't know, but the Obama ad buck would suggest
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've got a bunch
of different stories that we are chasing today. President Trump
had a multi hour long call with Vladimir Putin. The
impact of that call, according to President Trump's statements, are
(00:24):
that there will be a meeting between Trump and Putin
in Budapest and that there will be a meeting very
soon between high level advisors the United States. Initial meeting
will be led, according to President Trump, by Secretary of
State Marco Rubio, and a meeting location to be determined.
(00:47):
So the goal there to try and end the war
that is taking place right now in Ukraine. President Trump
writing a great deal of momentum off of the release
of the hostages and the positive directions that things are
moving in that context. Now, we also have John Fetterman
(01:11):
potentially facing a Senate challenge for not being committed enough
to crazy left wing ideals. That is according to an
Axios report. We've been talking about Mom Donnie making his
initial appearance on Fox News, Martha McCollum asking the big
questions of Mom Donnie and Mom Donnie being frankly very
(01:32):
good at dodging responsibility for much of his public commentary.
Now he did say, Buck, and I think we have
this audio. I want to make sure we pull it up.
He did publicly apologize to police officers for saying that
he had previously said they should be defunded. He also
(01:53):
said it was too early to give Trump credit for
the Gaza peace deal, and so so let me hit
a couple of those.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Here is cut twenty three.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Martha McCollum says, hey, does President Trump deserve credit for
the peace deal? And Mom Donnie said it's too early,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still
just this in the last few days, that five Palestinians
were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives
me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration
at a moment when it is still so in its infancy.
And what I will tell you is that in that
same moment, it is also one that requires a focus
on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better
(02:32):
future is one that is emblematic in our policies right
here in New York City as well. And that's what
we're hoping to lead with Willie. Would you give President
Trump credit or not to any extent credit or not.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I think it's too early to do so, too early
to say.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But if it proves to be something that is lasting,
something that is durable, then I think that that's where
you give credit.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Can I just one quick thing, Clay, because we talked
about it. He's saying, the five Palestinians were killed. Where's
the outrage, where's the condemnation, or even just the conversation
about the public executions, you know, summary judgment and execution
of captives by Hamas that occurred in the last twenty
(03:09):
four hours. I mean, they're they're they're bounding and gag
you know, gagging, tying up, blindfolding, and shooting people in
the back of the head on the street. And there's
I don't see any of these people that are so
concerned about gosins concerned about those gosins.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
It seems quite strange.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, And I also think it's funny the way this
is covered. Uh there's a big article in New York
Times about Mom Donnie going on, uh the Martha McCollum show.
Here's a couple of the paragraphs. This is how The
New York Times covered it. Since mister mom Donnie's rapid
rise to the top of New York City politics, Fox
News has led a right wing media effort to characterize
him as an avatar of the Democrat Party grown to
(03:49):
beholden to its factions on the far left. The network's
contributors often point to his thin political experience, past comments
about law enforcement and proposals to increase tax is on
New York's wealthiest residents as both disqualifying and dangerous to
New York City, America's largest financial center. Yes, this is
all very accurate, and it's it's written as if it's like,
(04:11):
oh my goodness, can you believe all the crazy things
they say on Fox News about mom Donnie. He wants
to tax everyone who makes money in New York City
into virtual oblivion. So that is one star of the
New York City Democrat Party. Now the other star of
the New York City Democrat Party in New York City
(04:33):
is AOC. And I wanted to play this for you, Buck.
This was last night Bernie Sanders and AOC had a
town hall with Caitlyn Collins and she was asked, AOC
was why are Republicans successful online, and she said two
different things. One because we'll just listen to her, I
(04:55):
won't characterize it. Here's cut eighteen.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
When they talk about Republicans and their success online, they
have been successful because they have also been very clear,
especially digitally, about what they believe. That women are inferior,
that do not and they do not deserve equal rights.
That they believe that lgbt Q Americans are subhuman. That
(05:18):
they believe and are circulating disgusting racial and and white
supremacist messaging, that they are able to get away with
digital digitally and.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Online, get get away with this is they have no
hope for young men. I mean, I just wrote a
book it's coming out called Ball's Buck. But this is
this is not a good pitch. I just don't think
AOC is very aware of how the internet works. Based
on that answer, I want AOC to be the great
(05:51):
commie splainer of masculinity for the Democrats. I want her
to be out in the forefront telling all young men
because because they have, as Democrats would say, their lived experience,
they have been through men, particularly now in their twenties.
They've been through the COVID shutdowns and the complete eradication
(06:12):
of free speech, scientific inquiry, and everything else that the
left manufactured during that. They've been through the toxic masculinity talks.
They've been through CNN doing documentaries about how college campuses
are quote like hunting grounds for the constant sexual assaults
and sexual abusers that are other college students.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
They've been through all of this, and they know that
something is really wrong with the Democrat Party. And if
the Democrat Party's response is going to be no, actually,
your toxic masculinity is the problem.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Great, stay with that. Stay on that.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Democrats have AOC tell young men how they should really
feel about things, and if they don't agree with her,
it's because they're sexist and racist. Love it, keep it going,
Blast it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
From the rooftops.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That's exactly what she did. And cut nineteen buck. She's
listening to you, she's running the game plan. Cut nineteen
AOC last night on CNN.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
They are able to radicalize and target and exploit a
generation of young boys, in particular, away from healthy masculinity
and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of
others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender
(07:34):
than them, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basest and worst
parts of human.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Nature, toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I think about this all the time because I've
got three boys, and also because I just wrote the
book Book. But the Democrat brand it has become a
slur for young men. They will accuse each other of
being Democrats. Black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men,
teenage young men. I don't know how they come back
(08:12):
from this. I am very certain that it is not
by having a woman lecture young men that they are
actually toxic, because that's why they've left in the first place.
We don't talk ever. Have you ever heard anybody talk
about toxic femininity. Have you ever heard a huge national
(08:33):
discussion about how women are toxic and they are destroying
the country. Maybe we need to have that conversation because
liberal women are toxic and they are destroying the country.
But young men have been told their entire lives that
they are the problem. And this is me getting on
the soapbox because I think about this so much. Buck,
(08:54):
I see the world through the eyes of my kids.
You and I are roughly of the age, and a
lot of listeners are out there where we were raised
in the idea that men and women should both be
able to aspire to the apex of success, whatever it
might be. Become president, fud fly a plane, whatever you want
(09:16):
to do, be an astronaut. Everyone should be able to
aspire to the apex, to pursue the meritocracy to the
fullest extent of their ability. And I think everybody out
there nods along and says, yeah, that's good. Men, women
be the best, be the best that you can be.
There's a difference between be the best that you can be,
which I would say is the culture and era in
which you and I were raised and women are better
(09:39):
than men. And sometime around and I don't know the
exact year, but sometime around two thousand and twelve ten fourteen,
in that era of social media rising and Barack Obama,
we moved from women and men should both be able
to be as successful as they possibly can to men
(10:01):
are bad. Certainly me too accelerated it and women are
better than men. And we this is the era now
that young men are being raised in and they're looking
around and saying, why am I being blamed for everything?
In America. Actually, America is awesome first of all. Secondly,
to a large degree, America is awesome because of brave
men and women. But a lot of brave men and
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masculinity isn't toxic at all. And so that is I
think the foundational issue that emerged in twenty twenty four,
and Democrats don't seem capable of addressing it in any
way that is going to be successful. I think it's
getting worse for them.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think you could not have civilization as we have
come to know it without men embracing their masculinity. Yes,
I think that if it were not for men who
were willing to put their lives on the line and
lose their lives to fight for something bigger than themselves,
(11:00):
that were not for men who would spend the longest
of hours and make tremendous personal sacrifice and in a
sense give their lives in a different way to the
pursuit of incredible inventions or exploration or technological advancement or
building something, whether it's a skyscraper, a manufacturing plant.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Or a cathedral.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Right, if it weren't for men willing to take masculinity
in its different forms to the extreme or to its
maybe its most appropriate you could argue level, its highest level.
Then we would not have the civilization that we enjoy
right now, and that I think is forgotten or rather
(11:49):
entirely suppressed by the angry and bitter feminist left, which
has sadly tragically led an entire generation, really now a
couple of generations of American women who buy into that
stuff down a pathway that is not fulfilling, that is
filled with bitterness and self pity, and is ultimately a
(12:11):
bad life course. And this is just the reality that
you see. I mean, I've said this before. I've had
this talk with many people, including in my own family,
that I think the sex and the city ification of
American women has been horrendously undermining for their long term happiness.
And I know they can say, oh, I'm man explainning
I'm a man, what do why know? You know, I'm
(12:33):
in my forties. I've seen a lot, and I pay attention,
and I actually want what's best for men and for
women in this country. And there's been a huge departure
from civilizational norms that are the basis for building our civilization,
which is, of course family cohesion, it is male and
female parental roles and espousal roles and roles within a
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civilization itself, within society, and we pay the price for that.
And you can just see this all around, Clay. It's
a very sad thing. We've talked with this in their day.
I know so many women now because they're my age
that I grew up with in New York who did
this sort of eat prey love through your twenties and
thirties thing. And maybe they had some job and I
(13:16):
don't know, you know, marketing or PR or advertising or
something that they liked, but weren't really that invested in,
not like a life's calling. They're not heart surgeons. And
now they're unmarried. They look around, they don't have families.
It's hard to start a family at that age. Biological
reality kicks in. Being forty four year old woman, it's
not easy to have kids. And they look around and
they want someone to explain this to them, and unfortunately
(13:40):
the Democrats say it's men's fault, yes, and that's not true.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So this is where we are.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I don't know if people can see it in some
other lens or some other men are, but men, I
think see this and say to themselves. I didn't cause this,
And actually it was the people saying that toxic, that
men are toxic, that convince women to go down this
pathway where effectively they are trying to compete with and
act as men in ways that are not going to
be fulfilled. So you go, I think that's all said,
(14:10):
and I've spent a ton of time. I love this topic.
This is a big part of the book. There's a
difference between equality and sameness. You can treat everyone equal,
but it doesn't mean that they're the same.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And we spend so much time on this idea to
kind of build on what you said and kind of
maybe distill it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We have told men they should be more like women,
and we have told women they should be more like men.
And the result is men don't like by and large,
women who act like men, and women do not like
men who act like women. And so when you're trying
to androgenize the sexes, you're actually driving everybody unhappily away
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from each other. And to Buck's point, this is what
you end up with a lot of people who are
sitting around saying, wait a minute, I made all these
good choices, and I wanted to have kids, and I
can't find a man.
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It's the man's fault. That's where we are.
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standing up for law of Americans, not just across the
country but around the world.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Clay, if someone's gonna like hamas, illegals and violent criminals,
ninety nine point nine percent chance it's a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, they're wrong on everything, and that's why I was
saying with Mom Donnie, you need an articulate voice who
can help to camouflage the fact that every opinion you
have is wrong. And I think Mam Donnie is I
don't think. I think he's way smarter, my Mom Donnie,
than AOC. But I think they see AOC as that
(17:33):
I think they see Gavin Newsom as that, right, somebody
who is just really uh smooth and charismatic and as
you like to say, I do. I do find it
really funny how many different buttons has Gavin Newsom undone
on his dress area. You know, he goes when he
thinks the ladies are watching, he goes down to the navel,
down to the navel.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Indeed, uh and uh, down to the navel.
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Welcome back in.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
As we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,
I wanted to hit this because the conversation we just
had Julianne, this is what I hear all the time.
She has got a twenty one year old son. She's
listening on in the Twin Cities on News Talk eleven
thirty one oh three point five Radio appreciate everybody up
in the Twin Cities listening along. And she said her
(19:24):
twenty one year old son voted for Trump. Listen to
what she says. I think what she is hitting is
actually a huge part of why so many young men
moved to the Trump voting universe in twenty twenty four.
Let's play Julienne.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Hy this sist, Julianne. I just wanted to call and
say that my twenty one year old son voted for Trump,
not necessarily because he was a one hundred percent Trump fan,
but because for his entire life he was told he
was evil and bad and responsible for all the ills
in the world because he was a white male. And
they are tired of that, and so they sought to
support the party that was based on merrit time democracy.
(20:01):
And I think it's a huge problem in the Democratic Party, amen.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And it's, by the way, spiraled away from just white men,
because initially we were told, oh, white men are the
problem with everything, and then it wasn't enough to just
say white men, you had to say black men, Asian men,
Hispanic men, and all young men. They feel it, They
feel it deep in their soul that they are being
blamed with everything that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Any Way, most things are awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I would just point out most things that men helped
build throughout the entire history of the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Most things are pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I feel like you just gave away the title of
your third book, after Clay's magnum Opus Balls. The third
book will be men are Awesome. There we go, Men
are awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean, I get Look, there are some things that stink, right,
Not everything in history was great. Slavery probably not a
great thing, right, But it wasn't just white guys who
did slavery in America, right like this, You've talked about
this before, but one of the great failings of Western
civilization in general is that we have reached a world
(21:13):
where huge numbers of people that benefit from Western civilization
are such beneficiaries that they're able to be morons, and
they don't know any history at all, such that a
lot of people out there think that only America ever
had slavery. I mean, just study basic history. Everyone, everyone
(21:36):
listening to me right now, trust me on this. Everyone
listening to me right now has ancestors that were slaves, White, Black, Asian.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And Hispanic.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Every single one of you listening to me right now,
at some point in your lifetime, one of your ancestors,
probably many of them, were both slaves and slaveholders. I
would venture that's true for almost every single person. If
you study human civilization at all, Slavery was a huge
(22:10):
part of all of human civilization. And all of us
have in our DNA both slaves and in slavers. I
guarantee it, every single one of you, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic.
It's always funny. Remember, speaking of the View, we were
making fun of the girls on the View yesterday. Remember
when they found out that Sonny Hostin's family were actually
(22:30):
huge slaveholders, and she was so disappointed because her entire
public persona is racism, racism, racism. And then it turns
out Sonny Houston in the recorded history recent history of
her family were some of the biggest slaveholders. I think
it was in Puerto Rico of anyone out there. So again,
(22:55):
I'm just telling you it doesn't get talked about enough,
but is likely choosion. We still have those callers who
were weighing in for the question that Buck asked, are
they still there, Kathleen?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What you got for is Kathleen, Hey.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Thanks for having me on the show, I slammed Catalina
buck fire.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
What questions do you have for well? Okay, so when
so it wasn't night right?
Speaker 10 (23:20):
Yes, all the swims are at night, and that's the
Santa Anna wins coming off the coast.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
What do you tell yourself when you're swimming there? It's
not boats, it's the wind currents that make it. It's
bothier what I saw online. I thought the boats would
be scarier, but apparently the wind currents are worse.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
No, there's very little boat traffic out there. Is The
winds lie down at night and it's much easier for
a swimmer tat to cross. They pick up beginning around
noon and it gets it gets much rougher.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Okay, now you got to help me here. That area
of the world. I know because I was a avid
watcher of Shark Week when it actually used to be
pretty cool. They are very large, great white sharks that
are common in that area. When you're swimming in the
blackie uh, the inky black waters of the you know,
off Catalida Island. What are you thinking to yourself about
(24:12):
the shark situation?
Speaker 10 (24:14):
It doesn't even phaze me. I've done all night swims
numerous times there. I swam north from Santa Barbara, Uh,
Santa Barbara Channel Santa Cruz into Oxnard. It really doesn't
bother me. It's kind of creepy the first five minutes
I'm in. I settle in and sharks are way way
back there in my head.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
That's amazing to me, Like, this is one of these things. Clay, where,
by the way, are you glad? Are you glad you
did it? Did you get super tired?
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Did you where you worried you're gonna have to get
in the launch boat and not finish it?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Or were you pretty good to go?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
No?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
I plowed right through that swim. It's one of the
best swims I ever did. I've done, you know, twenty
five or so of the world's great swims.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
And then okay, I gotta ask. Okay, so you're like,
you're a legit. You're a legit, serious, serious ocean swimmer.
My man Clay Travis over here. He's got a great
head of hair, he's got a great voice. But does
he have what it takes to swim from Alcatraz?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Do you think.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Did she just hang up? Wow?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Did I think she just bailed on you? Buddy? She's
like I can't. I can't. I can't be help responsible.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
For whatever happens, like she intentionally hung up there rather
than I thought I heard the click, and it doesn't
happen very often.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I did research on this after you talked about the
Great White attacking the guy in Catalina supposedly, and we
have a lot of listeners in San Francisco. In fact,
I met one of them walking through the airport. He
came over to me as I was getting on my
flight yesterday and he was like, man, I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I was in.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Charleston for the weekend. He was there with his daughter,
so he lives in San Francisco. But I was doing research.
This may surprise you, and I want to say I
could be totally wrong on this, so I am open
to the argument that I am totally wrong on this.
What I saw was that San Francisco Bay is only
(26:04):
like fifteen or twenty feet deep. In other words, that
if you look out to Alcatraz, that the water is
actually not very deep at all. Now, some of you
are probably San Francisco Bay experts.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
It gets very.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Deep once you go underneath the Golden Gate or once
you go after the other way, you know, underneath the
bay bridge, I think. But the actual bay where Alcatraz is,
it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep, and so great
whites aren't there, very frequently bucked because the water is
not deep enough and they don't like the shallows.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Kathleen, is she back?
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Yes, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Did you hang up because you were certain that I
would be eaten by a great white?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or how do you think I would do it?
Speaker 10 (26:48):
At all? Not at all? You know, sharks really aren't
a problem. They are more of a problem up around
the San Francisco area, but down around Catalina. Yes, there
are critters out there. Things you come to accept if
you're a marathon swimmer. I've had sharks swimmer I first.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
To as critters. I think that's hilarious. One of these
things you expect. You have seen sharks around you when
you're swimming on these marathon swims.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Not often. It happened to me right off California, right
in La Joya. I was swimming, just a little training swim,
and a couple of sharks looked up at me, or
they just passed right underneath me. I call them Bob
and Ierma and they just came swim right by me,
not a problem. I left them alone, They left me alone, and.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You kept your swim going.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There were just a couple of sharks there, and you're like, hey,
we're cool, no worries, Like I'm just gonna let them
swim underneath me.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I would believe that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Kathleen's braver than me. I I but I think I
might be right about again. Some of you were probably
nautical experts, maybe nature experts. I think they've dredged San
Francisco Bay, but it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep.
And my research on because they say the waters of
our gatraz shark infected, infested, which makes sense because you
(28:03):
doutside of San Francisco Bay there are large colonies of seals,
and seals are the preferred food of these very large
great white sharks. But that is just outside the mouth
of the bay. But there are tons of the seals
now that come in and rest at the piers in
you know, in the in the warehouse or whatever that
(28:25):
area is called. Yeah, and it's very cool. Peer forty two,
I think I might be the wrong number. Tourists feed
them and then they become kind of sassy. You've ever
seen these videos they get all these seals get sassy.
But what I was told was not the military kind.
By the way, I'm not trying to get my ass
kicked here. I'm talking about the mammals that swim. There
aren't that many great whites because it is actually not
(28:48):
deep enough for the sharks to be enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Clay that you've.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Ever seen, You ever seen the shark attack videos and
stuff that they go in pretty shallow water. My friend,
I'm not trying to psych you out here, but I
get it well, I'm telling you there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So the great white thing that you told me about
the Catalina Island swim has got me shook also. And
I know a lot of people are listening in LA.
They had a great white that would hang out all
the time right off the Manhattan Beach Pier. And those
of you who are in the South Bay just south
of LA, the Manhattan Beach area is beautiful. Shell Back
(29:23):
one of the great all time bars, Great Beach Bar,
one of the great beach bars of all time, along
with the Flora Bama Ajs where I am now, but
Spinnaker's and Lavilla Back in the day, but shell back
right off, which is right off of the pier, they
have a great white that always circles around out there.
(29:44):
And I think the great white that always circles around
out there, he basically just lives there and everybody's like, hey, yeah,
that's our great white shark. I think he attacked somebody recently,
because by recently, I mean the last couple of years.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
They chum the waters to fish, yeah, off the Manhattan
Each Pier, and so then somebody got in the water
and they got attacked because the guy the sharks go
crazy when they chump the waters, and they got to
I think all of this is true.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You guys in Manhattan Beach can let me know if
I'm wrong. But I think there's a great white right off.
And I was like, I fine, I don't need to
really swim.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Maybe my thinking on this is also affected by the
fact that I have a friend down here in South
Florida who's an attorney who is an avid scuba guy,
and like, didn't been doing scuba for forty years, right,
So his guys guys in his mid fifties, made mid
late fifties, and he told me the story of witnessing
(30:39):
and he showed me on the International Shark Attack File
he witnessed a fatal shark attack.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, and I would never get in the water again.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
And and he he was in the water, he saw it,
and I'm gonna tell you that stuck. We're at a
I was at a cocktail party. I was one of
these things where I asked him. I said, he's been
on all these diys. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen.
He's like, well, I don't talk about a lot, but
it's like I witnessed it. It was a tiger shark. I
witness a fatal tiger shark attack. And he went into
the details. I'm not gonna lie, man.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I was.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I was not going above my uh my ankles at
the beach here in Florida for a while.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
It was it was one of those things where were
we were going to talk about something else what happened here.
We just got totally diverted into shark attack with Sunday
Hang material. Though, for those of you who don't know
the Sunday Hang on the podcast, you gotta get.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Lots of fun. We'll play the I was gonna mention.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I mean we played some of the mom Donnie, we
played aoc on masculinity. Uh, Obama cut an ad for
span Berger. Will maybe play that ad for you, just
to kind of toss out the idea is all not
as well as people have been claiming in Virginia. Because
if you feel the need to bring in Barack Obama
to do an ad two weeks before two and a
(31:48):
half weeks before election day, it kind of makes my
eyebrows raise a bit, and I think, wait a minute,
maybe this span Burger Jay Jones text story scandal is
actually create eating a bit of a mess for her,
even in a state that went to that went to
Kamala by five points. Maybe, just possibly, this is creating
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(35:09):
and ty in Montana writes in he says he's a
former Navy diver who says you can't do your job
as a navy diver if you're worried about sharks in
San Francisco Bay. He says it's deeper than twenty feet.
I think it depends where you are. Otherwise they'd never
get their big navy ships out of port there. Yeah,
they're dredged areas that are deeper, but there are the
(35:31):
average According to Grocklay, the average depth of the San
Francisco Bay is fifteen feet, which is strikes me as
very shallow.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yes, I mean that stunned me. Again.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It makes me a little bit less afraid because great whites,
as you might imagine, are not fun typically of shallower waters.
And so yeah, the average depth is not actually that
deep in the San Francisco Bay.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Tomorrow, by the way, we got a bunch for you.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
We'll hit you with some more of that mom Donnie,
including him trying to apologize to police. And we'll also
hit you with the Obama ad in Virginia Trafalgar, who
has been very successful, sometimes not great in twenty two
but other times has been very successful. Now, has they
just released a poll Virginia within a point and a
(36:22):
half two points with Earl Sears making a run.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Is that accurate?
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We don't know, but the Obama ad buck would suggest
that maybe there's a bit of apprehension if they're calling
in Obama to be doing ads for spamburger.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
That's why we're going to follow this one closely. For
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