June 26, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a dynamic and wide-ranging discussion centered on current political, economic, and media narratives, with a strong emphasis on President Donald Trump’s leadership and the evolving state of American conservatism. The hour opens with a positive economic update, highlighting that the S&P 500 is nearing an all-time high, signaling strong investor confidence during the early months of President Trump’s current term. Clay emphasizes the importance of long-term investing strategies and critiques media-driven panic over market fluctuations. The conversation shifts to foreign policy and national security, focusing on the recent U.S. military strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. The hosts defend the administration’s actions and criticize media outlets like CNN for downplaying the success of the operations. Karoline Leavitt and Pete Hegseth are praised for their assertive media briefings, which counter narratives suggesting the strikes were ineffective. A significant portion of the hour is devoted to media bias and the decline of CNN’s credibility. The hosts argue that CNN has become a partisan outlet, losing its former status as a trusted news source. They discuss whether the network is salvageable and propose that only a radical overhaul—possibly led by a figure like Megyn Kelly—could restore its relevance. The show also explores internal divisions within the Democratic Party, sparked by Chris Cuomo’s criticism of the party’s far-left wing, including figures like AOC and Bernie Sanders. The hosts argue that the Democratic Party is increasingly dominated by anti-capitalist, radical progressive ideologies, which they claim alienate moderate voters and threaten national unity. Further discussion includes the media’s treatment of conservatives, the legacy of Trumpism, and the broad coalition President Trump has built, including former Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. The hosts highlight how Trump’s second term is marked by a more strategic and media-savvy administration. The hour concludes with lighter segments, including a humorous debate over the native status of flamingos in Florida, listener call-ins, and reflections on media hypocrisy, referencing past hoaxes like the Jussie Smollett case.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Let me hit you with some good news.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Right off the top, we are within seven points of
an all time high in the S and P five hundred.
SMP five hundred is the five hundred largest companies in
America all rolled into an index. If you want to
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just never have to worry about your stocks, what I
do is SMP five hundred index funds. They set an
all time high in February. If you remember, you may
be old enough to remember that back in the day,
back in April, they started telling you that everything was collapsing,
(00:51):
that it was a disaster, that you needed to run
for the hills. Buck and I said, hey, stay strong.
If you have some drug powder, some extra money, maybe
it's good time to invest. Dollar cost average stock prices
dropped tremendously right now, the S and P five hundred
as I am talking to you, six thousand, one hundred
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and thirty nine, the all time record six thousand, one
hundred and forty seven. So we are within about seven
points of setting an all time high for stock prices.
So even if you bought back in February at the
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absolute height of the market at the all time high.
If you just did nothing, you have basically the same
amount of money now on paper as you did then,
maybe a bit more because you probably would have made
a little bit in dividends. Again, long term horizons, don't panic.
(01:56):
It's easy to panic, particularly in a social media era.
Try to make long time decisions. If you're too emotional,
maybe don't check stock prices. But every quarter, every six months,
every ten years, on average they're gonna double. But man,
you can do the opposite of buying low and selling high.
(02:20):
There's a lot of sell low and buy highs out
there when you try to time the market. So just
a positive. Sometimes we don't spend enough time. I'm as
waiting for clay to go full.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Greed is good. Gordon Gekkis, I'm in a redow is
going to fix that ailing corporation of the USA.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I will tell you capitalism is in fact a good
economic system, better than all the rest. And anyway, sometimes
I feel like on a day to day we aren't
giving the long term horizon. I think we gave great
advice to everybody back in April, and my advice would
remain the same. I buy s and P five hundred
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in dex funds and I sit on them and don't
worry about the day to day. I know sometimes it's
tough to do, but all of us, anyone who has
a four to oh one k anyone out there who
has stocks, you are headed for record highs. Potentially today
stock prices in the first six months of the Trump
era potentially going to set an all time high. All right,
(03:22):
we've been talking about Eric Adams and mom Donnie, the
New York City mayor situation. But just a few minutes ago,
our friend Caroline Levitt, as I told you, was hosting
a press briefing. And this follows the early morning press
briefing that Pete Hegseth hosted that dealt with the leaks,
(03:43):
which tried to suggest that there was not success from
the Iranian nuclear site attacks on Saturday, and man Caroline
Levitt went scorched earth on the CNN reporter who initially
he said, Hey, these attacks did not have their desired impact.
(04:06):
This is what it sounded like. Play cut.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Twenty six, Nataja Bertrand published an article in Politico from
the Intelligence Agency. She said that John Ratcliffe was speaking
without any evidence when he said Iran was attempting to
undermine President Trump's presidential campaign. And then we of course
found out that was absolutely true. In fact, the Biden
administration declassed an Intel report which said they had high
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confidence that Iran had done exactly what Ratcliffe alleged. They
did run an influence campaign to hurt President Trump's candidacy.
In fact, we know the Iranians tried to take President
Trump's life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And so this is a reporter who has.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Been unfortunately used by people who dislike Donald Trump in
this government to push fake and false narratives.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
She should be ashamed of herself.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
And that's not what reporting is. Journalism is trying to
find the facts in the truth. And this week we
saw this same reporter being used to push a fake
narrative to try to under mind the President of the
United States and more importantly, the brave fighter pilots who
conducted one of the most successful operations in United States history.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I mean, she's laying it down. I just would say,
Clay that I've been doing this. You know, we had
our four year aniversary of the show. I've been doing
this media thing for about about fifteen years, and we
had gotten so used to on the right before Trump
came along, that our side was just supposed to always
have this one way courtesy where no matter what the
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media says, no matter how they lie, how they attack,
how they do all these things. You know, if you
go back to the Bush era GOP, it was all, oh, well,
we'll have to get back to you on that, or
you know, let's stick to the matters at hand or whatever. No,
if someone takes a swing at you in a bar fight,
there's really only one thing that you can do in response.
And that is one of the brilliant changes that has
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been brought about by trump Ism. Not only we see
by Donald Trump himself, but also with Pete Hegseth dealing
with the media, Caroline I.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Levitt dealing with the media.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You'll notice there's a lot of questions that get asked,
and it's fine, and they're getting information and they can
write their stories. If you want to ask a real
question to the White House Press secretary or to the
Secretary of Defense, now, hey, can you tell us more
about the following? Hey get you know, they'll respond and
they're respectful. But if you want to say, when did
you stop beating your wife? So to speak, they treat
that like a hostile either interrogation or hostile prosecutor in
(06:25):
a court, as they well should. And I just think
that it's it's such a for so many of us
who've been doing this and watching this for a long time. Clay,
it's such a relief that we don't have to just
watch everyone on the right get skewered and humiliated in
public because that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
What decorum demands.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It really doesn't, and this is a much better way.
You know, you meet respect with respect, you meet at
tax with counterattacks.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I also think this is a sign of how much
better Trump two point zero is than Trump one point zero.
And I'm not trying to take a tax take shots
at the people who worked for Trump in the first administration.
There is just so much talent, and the talent has
a variety of different perspectives. It doesn't get enough attention.
(07:11):
Sulca Gabbert ran for president against Trump in twenty twenty
as a Democrat. Now she's in the cabinet. You had
RFK Junior, who's the most famous Kennedy, lifelong Democrat. Trump
brought him into the coalition as well. There's a lot
of you out there listening the MAHA moms who otherwise
wouldn't have voted Republican, but have found your way into
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this as a reaction to what you saw happen related
to COVID, the tent, the coalition that Trump has built.
Even look, people out there were in a position where
some people said, hey, we should never do the attacks
on Iran. Others you and I said, hey, we think
this probably makes sense. If they have the nuclear assets,
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we should try to take him out. A robust debate
over that. There's nothing wrong with it, And in fact,
I think it reflects upon the strength overall of the
coalition that this is where we are. And I just
think Caroline Levitt, I mean talking about great communicators, Pete
Hegseth earlier today setting the agenda from the Pentagon, and
now you have Caroline Levitt coming out a little bit
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later in the afternoon, also setting the agenda. And it
wouldn't shock me, given the fact that he talks to
reporters all the time, if Trump comes out and he's
the third batter of an agenda setting coalition all day long,
and I just think it's a credit to the team
that he's put together what exactly is going on. So
(08:41):
that was Caroline Levitt. I was also going to play
a little bit of a different angle here. We mentioned
the New York City race, the mayor's race. Chris Cuomo,
I don't know if you heard this yet, Buck, Chris
Cuomo obviously younger brother of Andrew Cuomo. There's a lot
(09:02):
of talk about the uncertainty of how things were going
to go inside of the Republican Caucus surrounding Iran. Well,
Chris Cuomo now has come out and said the AOC
socialist wing of the Democrat Party just needs to leave
the Democrats because they're not actually Democrats.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Listen to this, How do you.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Keep them from having the nuke?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Impeach Trump is the opposite of having a better idea.
You're killing your party. You're killing your party. And look,
I hope it works out for you. I hope you
guys splinter off and become you know, whatever you really
are because you're not a capitalist and you're not a Democrat,
and you know you can say, well, what do you know?
I was raised by a real one. I was raised
by a real one. Go ahead and criticize Mario Cuomo.
(09:47):
What's going to be your biggest insult? They spawned me
and Andrew, is that going to be the best you
have because you ain't compared to him?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
WHOA wow?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean Chris Cuomo fired up his dad obviously. Mario Cuomo, Democrat,
Governor of New York. I do think that there is
an holy alliance which may may at some point explode
inside of the Democrat Party. Again, when you have a
big tent, it means that you may have people coming
(10:18):
from a variety of perspectives. I was just talking about
the big ten of the Republican Party, and everybody spent
a great deal of time talking about the interventionist versus
the anti interventionist wing of the Republican Party over how
to respond to Iran. How about what Chris Cuomo just
said there Buck, there are big parts of the Democrat
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Party now which don't believe in capitalism.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That seems like kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It used to be there were elements of the Democrat
Party that were very pro business. That's not really the
case anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think that unfortunately for Bro Cuomo, the Bernie wing
of the party and the far especially if you look
at the demographic data on age, they they're more powerful.
The people who the Cuomos of the world who cling
to a maybe a more Clintonian era of Democrat life
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has passed them by. I mean that is no longer
the case you are now in. You saw this with Biden, right,
Biden was the facade, right, the dementia puppet used to
fool voters for the radically left wing stuff. I mean,
you look at the radically left wing spending, radically left
wing gender identity stuff, you know, racial divisial border policies,
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not border policy. I mean Biden was a complete trojan horse,
which we knew all along. This was not a surprise
to any conservatives. I was saying that when this is
back in twenty twenty, you know a lot of people
on the right recognize this. But why would he be
a trojan horse? Will because they can't tell people who
they really are and win national elections. But that's who
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actually runs the Democrat Party. It is the AOC Bernie
wing of the party that is ascendant, and that is
the central ethos now, and it's the other people who
are really just used to create a greater comfort for
the middle of the electorate that is based on the
false promise of moderation. They're not moderate. The Democrat Party
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is not a moderate party. You must be a radical
on abortion, you must be radical on the borders, you
must be radical on spending, you must be willing to
tolerate radical anti Israeli, an anti Jewish sentiment. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff when you add it up,
and there's no shocks, no surprises here when you look
at it. Where this party is going.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think it's an interesting question what actually unites the
Democrat Party right now. We've talked about the fact that
they don't have a true leader, But what motivating ideals
other than America's awful white men suck really actually coalesce
across the entire Democrat Party. I think that's one of
(13:02):
the challenges. I'm not sure what they actually even stand for.
We'll talk about this sum and continue to roll through
the Thursday edition of the program.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Just real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You know, we talked about I was talking about socialism
and that naval line about how it's a suicide pack
for mediocrity.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's what socialism is.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But really we talk about the race communism in this country.
It's just another way of using the and the resentment
and envy that that is present in any large population
of people in this country and in other countries too,
And a lot of it has been blamed on whiteness
as a concept.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, now that that's.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Different than blaming it just because there are a lot
of white people that buy into that, right, but whiteness
as a concept has been used very much as part
of the divide and conqueror strategy of Democrats.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We'll come back, we'll talk about this more. I mean,
I think it's an interesting question. What is the motivating
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Speaker 1 (15:50):
Man?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Hey, man, I have figured out CNN's message. We didn't
drop enough bombs. We need to drop more than you CNN.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
There we go, Yes, thank you. It is funny Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
As we were talking about yesterday, the legacy media that
went very rapidly from we don't even know that Iran
has nuclear weapons. To everybody running with well, now we've
only set back their nuclear weapons program by a few months,
And you.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Said, which is the most well protected nuclear grade And
I'm sorry, a military grade anti bunker buster facility made
in the history of the universe, and we couldn't do
anything about it. So you're right, we've gone from I
don't even think they've gotten nukes too. Oh man, we
couldn't put a scratch on their incredible nuke program.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That happened in like a week.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Whatever makes Trump look bad is what they're going to
focus on. And I think that's where hegseth was. That
was his overarching message. But I do think it's important
for people to recognize how dishonest those attacks are. If
you wanted to continue to say, hey, we should have
never dropped in any bombs on it ran they don't
have nuclear capability, that's at least a consistent argument to
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go from. They don't have nukes at all. Too, Well,
we only knocked them back by a few months is
completely different arguments in the space of virtually no time
at all.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, also, if we only knack them back a few
of knock them back a few months, which I don't believe,
but we can knock them back again.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's the other part of this. They can't stop us.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Their military is weaker than it's been in decades, So
what are they going to do about it?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So now's the whole point is to get The point
is not to level all of Iran and hurt innocent people.
The point is to get the regime to stop this
nonsense and start acting like a normal country. That's it,
and Trump wants to get there. So yeah, I'm very uh.
I wouldn't say very optimistic, but I have some optimism.
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Speaker 2 (19:13):
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Speaker 3 (19:22):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm sitting here in a jacket because it's only like
sixty five degrees today. But new affiliate that we have
up here in Traverse City, Michigan WTCM five eighty they've
had me all week.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They have been fantastic.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
A couple of cuts that I want to play for
you because I think they kind of get at the
failures that CNN in general has been having. First of all,
every evening they just have sort of the Star Wars
universe of crazy left wing peddler arguments. And Jamal Bowman,
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who lost his Democrat primary and no longer has a job,
was on He is the guy who pulled the fire
alarm and was defeated in the New York City area
district which he was representing. Here he is saying, and
I want to get Buck's reaction to this, that he
was confronted on the street and heckled and this is
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what he has to deal with on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Listen, I don't want to fight. I just want to chill.
I just want to know. I was in. I was
walking down the street the other day. Some white dude ballhead.
He looked me, called me a piece of in my face,
said I'm gonna get what's coming to me? Why not
deal with that dog in in Yunker's New York. Can
tell you I'm not making that up. Do you buy it? Buck?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Do you think Jamal Bowman? I think he's.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Making it up. Yes, I think he's making it up.
Jabal Bowman. I've seen him bench three plates on each side.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's a big dude.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Uh yeah, I mean so, I just I don't buy
this story. And it's one of these you can never
prove or disprove, but don't. I don't believe that somebody
went up to him in Yonkers, and you know, I'm
just glad he didn't say that. You know, the guy
yelled like this is a maga country or whatever, like
this just sounds fake to me.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I just don't buy very often big dudes being confronted
by probably small and if the guy who confronted Jamal
Bowman would have to be a heavyweight boxer or an
NFL defensive lineman to be appreciably bigger than Jamal Momen.
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First of all, I don't think most people know who
Jamal Bowman is, and I don't mean that to be
to insult him. I just I don't think most people
in New York City have any idea who he is.
So the percentage of people that would hate him enough
to taunt him face to face and know him is
what like one percent of New York.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Also, the way he tells the story. Did he do
something like rude to somebody and then they responded cause
they're supposed to think. I guess that someone came after
him because he's Jamal Bowman.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Maybe he was, Maybe he was having a loud speakerphone
conversation or doing something that sets people off that made
you know. I gave somebody on my plane ride over
to France, Clay an extra set of headphones. Oh no,
because I turned around, I said, I have a spare.
I have a spare. He was why.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I'm just gonna say, it's a white guy in his fifties, okay,
very well dressed like very you know, uh a hoity
toity and like Louis Vuitton baggage and uh and he
uh thought he could watch his iPad like he's a
little kid with no headphones on. So I actually had
a spare, had the wired set in my bag and
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I said, here you go, here's a wired set of headphones.
And he kind of stared me down for a second
and realized, like, so, now, what's your excuse?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So he put him on. Now I have to watch
them though, that is really really so he gave him
back to you at the end of the day. He
did trip.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He rolled them up, rolled them up nicely, gave them
back to me at the end.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So now this is my new move.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm going to carry an extra set of headphones in
public places and offer headphones to people who are on
the side of barbarism and think that we want to
hear your cell phone conversation or your iPad noises or
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is funny because on my flight up to Michigan
with the Travis Boys, my oldest son wanted to watch
Trump's address about the bombing of Iran, did not have
wireless phones or his or a plug to put in,
and my wife, who was in the row in front
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of us, turned around and complained about our oldest son
making too much noise while he was watching Trump's address.
So she would have certainly appreciated if you had had
an extra pair of headphones for my son.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That is Jamal Bowman claiming that he's This also always
reminds me what there are people who behave awful towards
famous people. But the idea that the jsse Smallett this
is Maga country. The number of Trump voters who knew
who Jusse Smallett is or was in that era was zero.
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I mean there was nobody watching what was the show Empire.
The number of Trump voters watching Empire frequently enough that
they knew who Jusse Smallett was that they would feel
compelled to not only know who he was, but know
his politics and taunt him in Chicago at two am.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So one of the craziest stories on.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
A freezing cold winter night to lie in wait with
the moose, yes, and some kind of thing to spray
on him because you're that angry about Jesse Smollette, who
nobody who voted for Trump had any idea whom he was.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, yeah, that would be. That was a strange one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And you would think that the media might have actually
questioned some of that, particularly because our good friend Jake
Tapper wants all of you to know what the role
of the media really is. So you got to see
an in jabal bowman saying he's getting taunted because of
who he is. Here is Jake Tapper lecturing everyone about
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what it is the job of the media really is.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Asking questions.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Is literally our job demanding facts and answers instead of
just taking a president's word for it. No, that's actually
that is that's actually not their job though is This
is where I have a really I have a big
bone to pick with all these people who call themselves journalists.
We have seen what their job is, depending on where
they work. The job of a CNN employee is to
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tell Democrats in the audience what they want to hear
and to hurt Republicans in terms of public perception in
every way that they can.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That is the job.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's actually the job. If you don't do that, you
will be fired. So that's what the job is. This,
it's to ask questions and get the truth to the people.
That is a lie that is meant to cover for
the actual job, which is to tell democrats what they
want to hear and attack Republicans in every way you can.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Let's pretend that suddenly you or I were in charge
of CNN and they said, hey, we've been listening to
your radio show.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They should do it as smart. We would shake that
place up. It'd be amazing. Okay, so is it salvageable? Like,
let me just give you a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
If Meghan Kelly, who obviously had a very successful show
on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Look at You, Look at You. I always given Mammy.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Look.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Meghan's great.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
She was always great to me in my career and
everything else. But she's always number one on your list
for who's.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Gonna I think she's the smartest, most talented person in
digital space that I don't work with.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
So?
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Who would you put top of this and send this to? Meghan?
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I think she is.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think she asked really smart questions.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I think she gets to the heart of issues if
I were running so But the question here is, let's
pretend that I am running CNN and I say, hey,
I want to change we kind of get away from
the Jake Tapper world. We can't have this stenographer for
the Democrat powerful anymore. We're gonna shake things up. Could
(27:15):
Megan Kelly, who I think I'm just telling you, I
think is the most talented independent voice in media today?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
All right? All right?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I mean I think Megan's great too, But yes, okay,
could she alone?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Would she be able to produce an audience or CNN's
brand so broken that even if you put somebody who's
good at television and good at doing a show, people
wouldn't respond to it because their brand is broken.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
In other words, how salvageable do you think it is? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You would have to accept that during the change process
from being a Democrat propaganda outlet, you would lose a
lot of audience and then have to rebuild audience. Yeah,
the audience of CNN right now does not want want
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anything to be told to them that is outside of
what the DNC would approve and send themselves. They don't
want to hear it, and so you would have to
accept that. There'd be that painful ratings transition period and
then I think you could build into something else. But
that's you know, that's a risk that executives at these
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places are very rarely willing to take any risks. I
think CNN's brand is in terminal decline. I think CNN
will exist in kind of the way that ABC News
in some of these places. Yeah, sure they'll have some audience,
but a shadow of their former Now.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
ABC News still has a.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Pretty big TV audience, but it's a shadow of what
it was twenty or thirty or thirty years ago. So
I think that that's where I don't think CNN is
going to be able to turn this thing around.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I know, to look at it purely from a business
market perspective. If Fox News has around seventy percent of
the news audience on cable, and it does, and it's
got an incredibly loyal brand, what is CNN's angle Because
that leaves thirty percent MSNBC, whatever you think about them,
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has the left wing angle covered.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Why would you not go after some of the seventy
This is why.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
And I was there and observe this when it happens.
CNN under Jeff Zucker's leadership, if you can call it,
that ignominiously ended in scandal, CNN decided to become MSNBC
with different letters, anti trump Ism, completely crazy, treat all
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the actual conservatives who would have come on your air
like trash. You know, this is what they did. And
so that space that they were at least theoretically occupying
of somewhere in between Fox and MSNBC, that just became untenable.
They were just another version There were MSNBC with less honesty,
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and that is not a tenable brand that that's not
a place where you can really be.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And so that's what ended up happening to them. But
I'm I'm happy. I mean, if you had told me,
if you.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Had told me when the Tea Party was getting their
thing going, don't worry one day. Not only will Trump
call CNN fake news to their faces, but he'll essentially
destroy the death star of propaganda that is CNN.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I would have said that sounds amazing, and we're pretty
much there, oh totally.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And again they only have about ten or fifteen percent
of the overall news marketplace. And you know what it
really comes through. It used to be when big news happened,
people would turn on CNN because they trusted them to
get big news. I still think about CNN back in
the day a Bernard Shaw and the scud stud whatever
(30:47):
that guy's name was, during the First Gulf War, when
that really made CNN's brand as somebody that could you
could trust. Now they don't even get turned on when
big news happens. Fox News I think had four point
nine million viewers when they Iran attacks happened. Nobody else
was even close to them. And it just feels like
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CNN is in a terminal decline. And I wonder at
this point if there's anything they could do to change
the trajectory that they're on and I don't know that
they could, but I would be trying to undertake radical change.
I think if I were in charge of CNN.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, I mean it would have to be.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, when you're doing a you're doing some housing
construction stuff. But when you're doing a renovation and people
say I'm going to tear it down to the studs,
CNN really needs to be torn down to the studs.
You need to get all the way, you know, get
all the way into the dry wall and really pull
things apart in there to rebuild.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You can't just do a little coat of paint and
call it a day.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's totally what's, by the way, happening with the intelligence
agencies right now too.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
We's seeing how that's going.
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It can be.
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Something that you take for granted before, you don't take
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call it fourth of July. Whereas my grandmother one side
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down in Charlottesville. So you know, this is a time
of independent celebration for America.
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So there you go. Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
One of our podcast listeners has got an issue that
he wants to raise with you. As we finished the
Thursday edition of the program, this is Steve, who wants
to talk with you about your big flamingo discussion.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yes, sir, oh, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
But check your history on the flamingos. I'm seventy years old,
and as a kid before long before Miamivice came out,
I grew up thinking flamingos were from Florida. Chat GPT
says that they were native, but then when it almost extinct,
(34:30):
So check it out.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
All right, all right, buddy, all right, I don't know
the answer here.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm stepping out of this phray. This seems pretty intense.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Well, you know, when you make you know, the zoological
specificity necessary.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
On this on this show is quite a thing, all right.
Let me let me just say this, uh, this is
what the truth is. As I understand, there were flamingos here.
They went extinct though for about two hundred years. Okay,
so they were gone in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds,
and then they wouldn't weren't able to find any and
(35:05):
then the twentieth century they started to try to reintroduce
some native colonies.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And now in Florida they're about one hundred of them.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But they are doing better than the dodo bird here,
but not much better, like they weren't around. And like
I said, it was the it was a flock of
imported African pink flamingos in Miami Vice that were not
indigenous to Florida that got everybody thinking about in the
eighties of Florida and flamingos.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Again, they didn't have They.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Didn't have flamingos in Florida for over one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So and yet every everywhere you go there's flamingo.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
This in flamingo that it's kind of weird, right, like
walking around Newfoundland being like, hey, the dodo birds, not
as many dodo birds.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
All over northern Michigan, they've got Bear in every business,
streets named after Bear. I don't think there's any bear
left up here. By the way, Jody Jody says, love
the show they used to have Flaminia. You got lit
up by flamingo people out there, also saying the same thing.
They were decimated for the feathers used in women's hats
(36:15):
back in the day. That's why they killed all the
flamingos off in Florida. So I don't know, sir, you
better step check yourself before you step into flamingo wars.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, I'm just they were gone though.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
That's my point is that there were no flamingos, and
everyone's talking about flamingos all the time. The only flamingos
you're gonna see in Florida are the lawn ornaance out there.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'm just telling you guys the truth. You can come
at me with whatever you like. We'll be back tomorrow.
Who knows what colorful battles did
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Let me hit you with some good news.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Right off the top, we are within seven points of
an all time high in the S and P five hundred.
SMP five hundred is the five hundred largest companies in
America all rolled into an index. If you want to
(00:30):
just never have to worry about your stocks, what I
do is SMP five hundred index funds. They set an
all time high in February. If you remember, you may
be old enough to remember that back in the day,
back in April, they started telling you that everything was collapsing,
(00:51):
that it was a disaster, that you needed to run
for the hills. Buck and I said, hey, stay strong.
If you have some drug powder, some extra money, maybe
it's good time to invest. Dollar cost average stock prices
dropped tremendously right now, the S and P five hundred
as I am talking to you, six thousand, one hundred
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and thirty nine, the all time record six thousand, one
hundred and forty seven. So we are within about seven
points of setting an all time high for stock prices.
So even if you bought back in February at the
(01:36):
absolute height of the market at the all time high.
If you just did nothing, you have basically the same
amount of money now on paper as you did then,
maybe a bit more because you probably would have made
a little bit in dividends. Again, long term horizons, don't panic.
(01:56):
It's easy to panic, particularly in a social media era.
Try to make long time decisions. If you're too emotional,
maybe don't check stock prices. But every quarter, every six months,
every ten years, on average they're gonna double. But man,
you can do the opposite of buying low and selling high.
(02:20):
There's a lot of sell low and buy highs out
there when you try to time the market. So just
a positive. Sometimes we don't spend enough time. I'm as
waiting for clay to go full.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Greed is good. Gordon Gekkis, I'm in a redow is
going to fix that ailing corporation of the USA.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I will tell you capitalism is in fact a good
economic system, better than all the rest. And anyway, sometimes
I feel like on a day to day we aren't
giving the long term horizon. I think we gave great
advice to everybody back in April, and my advice would
remain the same. I buy s and P five hundred
(02:59):
in dex funds and I sit on them and don't
worry about the day to day. I know sometimes it's
tough to do, but all of us, anyone who has
a four to oh one k anyone out there who
has stocks, you are headed for record highs. Potentially today
stock prices in the first six months of the Trump
era potentially going to set an all time high. All right,
(03:22):
we've been talking about Eric Adams and mom Donnie, the
New York City mayor situation. But just a few minutes ago,
our friend Caroline Levitt, as I told you, was hosting
a press briefing. And this follows the early morning press
briefing that Pete Hegseth hosted that dealt with the leaks,
(03:43):
which tried to suggest that there was not success from
the Iranian nuclear site attacks on Saturday, and man Caroline
Levitt went scorched earth on the CNN reporter who initially
he said, Hey, these attacks did not have their desired impact.
(04:06):
This is what it sounded like. Play cut.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Twenty six, Nataja Bertrand published an article in Politico from
the Intelligence Agency. She said that John Ratcliffe was speaking
without any evidence when he said Iran was attempting to
undermine President Trump's presidential campaign. And then we of course
found out that was absolutely true. In fact, the Biden
administration declassed an Intel report which said they had high
(04:30):
confidence that Iran had done exactly what Ratcliffe alleged. They
did run an influence campaign to hurt President Trump's candidacy.
In fact, we know the Iranians tried to take President
Trump's life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And so this is a reporter who has.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Been unfortunately used by people who dislike Donald Trump in
this government to push fake and false narratives.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
She should be ashamed of herself.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
And that's not what reporting is. Journalism is trying to
find the facts in the truth. And this week we
saw this same reporter being used to push a fake
narrative to try to under mind the President of the
United States and more importantly, the brave fighter pilots who
conducted one of the most successful operations in United States history.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I mean, she's laying it down. I just would say,
Clay that I've been doing this. You know, we had
our four year aniversary of the show. I've been doing
this media thing for about about fifteen years, and we
had gotten so used to on the right before Trump
came along, that our side was just supposed to always
have this one way courtesy where no matter what the
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media says, no matter how they lie, how they attack,
how they do all these things. You know, if you
go back to the Bush era GOP, it was all, oh, well,
we'll have to get back to you on that, or
you know, let's stick to the matters at hand or whatever. No,
if someone takes a swing at you in a bar fight,
there's really only one thing that you can do in response.
And that is one of the brilliant changes that has
(05:53):
been brought about by trump Ism. Not only we see
by Donald Trump himself, but also with Pete Hegseth dealing
with the media, Caroline I.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Levitt dealing with the media.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You'll notice there's a lot of questions that get asked,
and it's fine, and they're getting information and they can
write their stories. If you want to ask a real
question to the White House Press secretary or to the
Secretary of Defense, now, hey, can you tell us more
about the following? Hey get you know, they'll respond and
they're respectful. But if you want to say, when did
you stop beating your wife? So to speak, they treat
that like a hostile either interrogation or hostile prosecutor in
(06:25):
a court, as they well should. And I just think
that it's it's such a for so many of us
who've been doing this and watching this for a long time. Clay,
it's such a relief that we don't have to just
watch everyone on the right get skewered and humiliated in
public because that's.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
What decorum demands.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It really doesn't, and this is a much better way.
You know, you meet respect with respect, you meet at
tax with counterattacks.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I also think this is a sign of how much
better Trump two point zero is than Trump one point zero.
And I'm not trying to take a tax take shots
at the people who worked for Trump in the first administration.
There is just so much talent, and the talent has
a variety of different perspectives. It doesn't get enough attention.
(07:11):
Sulca Gabbert ran for president against Trump in twenty twenty
as a Democrat. Now she's in the cabinet. You had
RFK Junior, who's the most famous Kennedy, lifelong Democrat. Trump
brought him into the coalition as well. There's a lot
of you out there listening the MAHA moms who otherwise
wouldn't have voted Republican, but have found your way into
(07:34):
this as a reaction to what you saw happen related
to COVID, the tent, the coalition that Trump has built.
Even look, people out there were in a position where
some people said, hey, we should never do the attacks
on Iran. Others you and I said, hey, we think
this probably makes sense. If they have the nuclear assets,
(07:55):
we should try to take him out. A robust debate
over that. There's nothing wrong with it, And in fact,
I think it reflects upon the strength overall of the
coalition that this is where we are. And I just
think Caroline Levitt, I mean talking about great communicators, Pete
Hegseth earlier today setting the agenda from the Pentagon, and
now you have Caroline Levitt coming out a little bit
(08:19):
later in the afternoon, also setting the agenda. And it
wouldn't shock me, given the fact that he talks to
reporters all the time, if Trump comes out and he's
the third batter of an agenda setting coalition all day long,
and I just think it's a credit to the team
that he's put together what exactly is going on. So
(08:41):
that was Caroline Levitt. I was also going to play
a little bit of a different angle here. We mentioned
the New York City race, the mayor's race. Chris Cuomo,
I don't know if you heard this yet, Buck, Chris
Cuomo obviously younger brother of Andrew Cuomo. There's a lot
(09:02):
of talk about the uncertainty of how things were going
to go inside of the Republican Caucus surrounding Iran. Well,
Chris Cuomo now has come out and said the AOC
socialist wing of the Democrat Party just needs to leave
the Democrats because they're not actually Democrats.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Listen to this, How do you.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Keep them from having the nuke?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Impeach Trump is the opposite of having a better idea.
You're killing your party. You're killing your party. And look,
I hope it works out for you. I hope you
guys splinter off and become you know, whatever you really
are because you're not a capitalist and you're not a Democrat,
and you know you can say, well, what do you know?
I was raised by a real one. I was raised
by a real one. Go ahead and criticize Mario Cuomo.
(09:47):
What's going to be your biggest insult? They spawned me
and Andrew, is that going to be the best you
have because you ain't compared to him?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
WHOA wow?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean Chris Cuomo fired up his dad obviously. Mario Cuomo, Democrat,
Governor of New York. I do think that there is
an holy alliance which may may at some point explode
inside of the Democrat Party. Again, when you have a
big tent, it means that you may have people coming
(10:18):
from a variety of perspectives. I was just talking about
the big ten of the Republican Party, and everybody spent
a great deal of time talking about the interventionist versus
the anti interventionist wing of the Republican Party over how
to respond to Iran. How about what Chris Cuomo just
said there Buck, there are big parts of the Democrat
(10:40):
Party now which don't believe in capitalism.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
That seems like kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It used to be there were elements of the Democrat
Party that were very pro business. That's not really the
case anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think that unfortunately for Bro Cuomo, the Bernie wing
of the party and the far especially if you look
at the demographic data on age, they they're more powerful.
The people who the Cuomos of the world who cling
to a maybe a more Clintonian era of Democrat life
(11:17):
has passed them by. I mean that is no longer
the case you are now in. You saw this with Biden, right,
Biden was the facade, right, the dementia puppet used to
fool voters for the radically left wing stuff. I mean,
you look at the radically left wing spending, radically left
wing gender identity stuff, you know, racial divisial border policies,
(11:38):
not border policy. I mean Biden was a complete trojan horse,
which we knew all along. This was not a surprise
to any conservatives. I was saying that when this is
back in twenty twenty, you know a lot of people
on the right recognize this. But why would he be
a trojan horse? Will because they can't tell people who
they really are and win national elections. But that's who
(11:59):
actually runs the Democrat Party. It is the AOC Bernie
wing of the party that is ascendant, and that is
the central ethos now, and it's the other people who
are really just used to create a greater comfort for
the middle of the electorate that is based on the
false promise of moderation. They're not moderate. The Democrat Party
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is not a moderate party. You must be a radical
on abortion, you must be radical on the borders, you
must be radical on spending, you must be willing to
tolerate radical anti Israeli, an anti Jewish sentiment. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff when you add it up,
and there's no shocks, no surprises here when you look
at it. Where this party is going.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think it's an interesting question what actually unites the
Democrat Party right now. We've talked about the fact that
they don't have a true leader, But what motivating ideals
other than America's awful white men suck really actually coalesce
across the entire Democrat Party. I think that's one of
(13:02):
the challenges. I'm not sure what they actually even stand for.
We'll talk about this sum and continue to roll through
the Thursday edition of the program.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Just real quick.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You know, we talked about I was talking about socialism
and that naval line about how it's a suicide pack
for mediocrity.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's what socialism is.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But really we talk about the race communism in this country.
It's just another way of using the and the resentment
and envy that that is present in any large population
of people in this country and in other countries too,
And a lot of it has been blamed on whiteness
as a concept.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, now that that's.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Different than blaming it just because there are a lot
of white people that buy into that, right, but whiteness
as a concept has been used very much as part
of the divide and conqueror strategy of Democrats.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
We'll come back, we'll talk about this more. I mean,
I think it's an interesting question. What is the motivating
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Speaker 1 (15:50):
Man?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Hey, man, I have figured out CNN's message. We didn't
drop enough bombs. We need to drop more than you CNN.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
There we go, Yes, thank you. It is funny Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
As we were talking about yesterday, the legacy media that
went very rapidly from we don't even know that Iran
has nuclear weapons. To everybody running with well, now we've
only set back their nuclear weapons program by a few months,
And you.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Said, which is the most well protected nuclear grade And
I'm sorry, a military grade anti bunker buster facility made
in the history of the universe, and we couldn't do
anything about it. So you're right, we've gone from I
don't even think they've gotten nukes too. Oh man, we
couldn't put a scratch on their incredible nuke program.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That happened in like a week.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Whatever makes Trump look bad is what they're going to
focus on. And I think that's where hegseth was. That
was his overarching message. But I do think it's important
for people to recognize how dishonest those attacks are. If
you wanted to continue to say, hey, we should have
never dropped in any bombs on it ran they don't
have nuclear capability, that's at least a consistent argument to
(17:05):
go from. They don't have nukes at all. Too, Well,
we only knocked them back by a few months is
completely different arguments in the space of virtually no time
at all.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, also, if we only knack them back a few
of knock them back a few months, which I don't believe,
but we can knock them back again.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's the other part of this. They can't stop us.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Their military is weaker than it's been in decades, So
what are they going to do about it?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So now's the whole point is to get The point
is not to level all of Iran and hurt innocent people.
The point is to get the regime to stop this
nonsense and start acting like a normal country. That's it,
and Trump wants to get there. So yeah, I'm very uh.
I wouldn't say very optimistic, but I have some optimism.
The next big meaning of nations post NATO is the
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that meeting the Rio reset for reasons that won't benefit
the value of our US dollar if they can get
what they want out of this meeting. They're trying to
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
I really want to say thanks. I've met a ton
of you up here in northern Michigan.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I know a lot of you.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Say please don't say positive things about it up here
because it's getting so crowded, but it is.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Amazing in the summer up here. We've been all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Traverse City News Talk five eighty has been taking care
of us every single day here this week, and I
appreciate all of you.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Buck's been down in Miami.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm sitting here in a jacket because it's only like
sixty five degrees today. But new affiliate that we have
up here in Traverse City, Michigan WTCM five eighty they've
had me all week.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They have been fantastic.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
A couple of cuts that I want to play for
you because I think they kind of get at the
failures that CNN in general has been having. First of all,
every evening they just have sort of the Star Wars
universe of crazy left wing peddler arguments. And Jamal Bowman,
(19:58):
who lost his Democrat primary and no longer has a job,
was on He is the guy who pulled the fire
alarm and was defeated in the New York City area
district which he was representing. Here he is saying, and
I want to get Buck's reaction to this, that he
was confronted on the street and heckled and this is
(20:22):
what he has to deal with on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Listen, I don't want to fight. I just want to chill.
I just want to know. I was in. I was
walking down the street the other day. Some white dude ballhead.
He looked me, called me a piece of in my face,
said I'm gonna get what's coming to me? Why not
deal with that dog in in Yunker's New York. Can
tell you I'm not making that up. Do you buy it? Buck?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Do you think Jamal Bowman? I think he's.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Making it up. Yes, I think he's making it up.
Jabal Bowman. I've seen him bench three plates on each side.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's a big dude.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Uh yeah, I mean so, I just I don't buy
this story. And it's one of these you can never
prove or disprove, but don't. I don't believe that somebody
went up to him in Yonkers, and you know, I'm
just glad he didn't say that. You know, the guy
yelled like this is a maga country or whatever, like
this just sounds fake to me.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I just don't buy very often big dudes being confronted
by probably small and if the guy who confronted Jamal
Bowman would have to be a heavyweight boxer or an
NFL defensive lineman to be appreciably bigger than Jamal Momen.
(21:32):
First of all, I don't think most people know who
Jamal Bowman is, and I don't mean that to be
to insult him. I just I don't think most people
in New York City have any idea who he is.
So the percentage of people that would hate him enough
to taunt him face to face and know him is
what like one percent of New York.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Also, the way he tells the story. Did he do
something like rude to somebody and then they responded cause
they're supposed to think. I guess that someone came after
him because he's Jamal Bowman.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Maybe he was, Maybe he was having a loud speakerphone
conversation or doing something that sets people off that made
you know. I gave somebody on my plane ride over
to France, Clay an extra set of headphones. Oh no,
because I turned around, I said, I have a spare.
I have a spare. He was why.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It was a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I'm just gonna say, it's a white guy in his fifties, okay,
very well dressed like very you know, uh a hoity
toity and like Louis Vuitton baggage and uh and he
uh thought he could watch his iPad like he's a
little kid with no headphones on. So I actually had
a spare, had the wired set in my bag and
(22:44):
I said, here you go, here's a wired set of headphones.
And he kind of stared me down for a second
and realized, like, so, now, what's your excuse?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So he put him on. Now I have to watch
them though, that is really really so he gave him
back to you at the end of the day. He
did trip.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
He rolled them up, rolled them up nicely, gave them
back to me at the end.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So now this is my new move.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm going to carry an extra set of headphones in
public places and offer headphones to people who are on
the side of barbarism and think that we want to
hear your cell phone conversation or your iPad noises or
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
This is funny because on my flight up to Michigan
with the Travis Boys, my oldest son wanted to watch
Trump's address about the bombing of Iran, did not have
wireless phones or his or a plug to put in,
and my wife, who was in the row in front
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of us, turned around and complained about our oldest son
making too much noise while he was watching Trump's address.
So she would have certainly appreciated if you had had
an extra pair of headphones for my son.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That is Jamal Bowman claiming that he's This also always
reminds me what there are people who behave awful towards
famous people. But the idea that the jsse Smallett this
is Maga country. The number of Trump voters who knew
who Jusse Smallett is or was in that era was zero.
(24:15):
I mean there was nobody watching what was the show Empire.
The number of Trump voters watching Empire frequently enough that
they knew who Jusse Smallett was that they would feel
compelled to not only know who he was, but know
his politics and taunt him in Chicago at two am.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So one of the craziest stories on.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
A freezing cold winter night to lie in wait with
the moose, yes, and some kind of thing to spray
on him because you're that angry about Jesse Smollette, who
nobody who voted for Trump had any idea whom he was.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, yeah, that would be. That was a strange one.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And you would think that the media might have actually
questioned some of that, particularly because our good friend Jake
Tapper wants all of you to know what the role
of the media really is. So you got to see
an in jabal bowman saying he's getting taunted because of
who he is. Here is Jake Tapper lecturing everyone about
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what it is the job of the media really is.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Asking questions.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Is literally our job demanding facts and answers instead of
just taking a president's word for it. No, that's actually
that is that's actually not their job though is This
is where I have a really I have a big
bone to pick with all these people who call themselves journalists.
We have seen what their job is, depending on where
they work. The job of a CNN employee is to
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tell Democrats in the audience what they want to hear
and to hurt Republicans in terms of public perception in
every way that they can.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That is the job.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
That's actually the job. If you don't do that, you
will be fired. So that's what the job is. This,
it's to ask questions and get the truth to the people.
That is a lie that is meant to cover for
the actual job, which is to tell democrats what they
want to hear and attack Republicans in every way you can.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Let's pretend that suddenly you or I were in charge
of CNN and they said, hey, we've been listening to
your radio show.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They should do it as smart. We would shake that
place up. It'd be amazing. Okay, so is it salvageable? Like,
let me just give you a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
If Meghan Kelly, who obviously had a very successful show
on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Look at You, Look at You. I always given Mammy.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Look.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Meghan's great.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
She was always great to me in my career and
everything else. But she's always number one on your list
for who's.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Gonna I think she's the smartest, most talented person in
digital space that I don't work with.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
So?
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Who would you put top of this and send this to? Meghan?
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I think she is.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think she asked really smart questions.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I think she gets to the heart of issues if
I were running so But the question here is, let's
pretend that I am running CNN and I say, hey,
I want to change we kind of get away from
the Jake Tapper world. We can't have this stenographer for
the Democrat powerful anymore. We're gonna shake things up. Could
(27:15):
Megan Kelly, who I think I'm just telling you, I
think is the most talented independent voice in media today?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
All right? All right?
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I mean I think Megan's great too, But yes, okay,
could she alone?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Would she be able to produce an audience or CNN's
brand so broken that even if you put somebody who's
good at television and good at doing a show, people
wouldn't respond to it because their brand is broken.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
In other words, how salvageable do you think it is? Right?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You would have to accept that during the change process
from being a Democrat propaganda outlet, you would lose a
lot of audience and then have to rebuild audience. Yeah,
the audience of CNN right now does not want want
(28:01):
anything to be told to them that is outside of
what the DNC would approve and send themselves. They don't
want to hear it, and so you would have to
accept that. There'd be that painful ratings transition period and
then I think you could build into something else. But
that's you know, that's a risk that executives at these
(28:23):
places are very rarely willing to take any risks. I
think CNN's brand is in terminal decline. I think CNN
will exist in kind of the way that ABC News
in some of these places. Yeah, sure they'll have some audience,
but a shadow of their former Now.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
ABC News still has a.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Pretty big TV audience, but it's a shadow of what
it was twenty or thirty or thirty years ago. So
I think that that's where I don't think CNN is
going to be able to turn this thing around.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I know, to look at it purely from a business
market perspective. If Fox News has around seventy percent of
the news audience on cable, and it does, and it's
got an incredibly loyal brand, what is CNN's angle Because
that leaves thirty percent MSNBC, whatever you think about them,
(29:11):
has the left wing angle covered.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Why would you not go after some of the seventy
This is why.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
And I was there and observe this when it happens.
CNN under Jeff Zucker's leadership, if you can call it,
that ignominiously ended in scandal, CNN decided to become MSNBC
with different letters, anti trump Ism, completely crazy, treat all
(29:38):
the actual conservatives who would have come on your air
like trash. You know, this is what they did. And
so that space that they were at least theoretically occupying
of somewhere in between Fox and MSNBC, that just became untenable.
They were just another version There were MSNBC with less honesty,
(29:59):
and that is not a tenable brand that that's not
a place where you can really be.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And so that's what ended up happening to them. But
I'm I'm happy. I mean, if you had told me,
if you.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Had told me when the Tea Party was getting their
thing going, don't worry one day. Not only will Trump
call CNN fake news to their faces, but he'll essentially
destroy the death star of propaganda that is CNN.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I would have said that sounds amazing, and we're pretty
much there, oh totally.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And again they only have about ten or fifteen percent
of the overall news marketplace. And you know what it
really comes through. It used to be when big news happened,
people would turn on CNN because they trusted them to
get big news. I still think about CNN back in
the day a Bernard Shaw and the scud stud whatever
(30:47):
that guy's name was, during the First Gulf War, when
that really made CNN's brand as somebody that could you
could trust. Now they don't even get turned on when
big news happens. Fox News I think had four point
nine million viewers when they Iran attacks happened. Nobody else
was even close to them. And it just feels like
(31:08):
CNN is in a terminal decline. And I wonder at
this point if there's anything they could do to change
the trajectory that they're on and I don't know that
they could, but I would be trying to undertake radical change.
I think if I were in charge of CNN.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, I mean it would have to be.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, when you're doing a you're doing some housing
construction stuff. But when you're doing a renovation and people
say I'm going to tear it down to the studs,
CNN really needs to be torn down to the studs.
You need to get all the way, you know, get
all the way into the dry wall and really pull
things apart in there to rebuild.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You can't just do a little coat of paint and
call it a day.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's totally what's, by the way, happening with the intelligence
agencies right now too.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
We's seeing how that's going.
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Speaker 1 (33:12):
Back with the normal voice.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I gotta say it was your voice for like over
a week.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It can be.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Something that you take for granted before, you don't take
it for granted afterwards. So very pleased to have my
normal vocal register to address all of you here. We'll
be back tomorrow, Clay and I both and then we
went for a few days. Next week I camp play
Fourth of July Independence Day. Some people get very you know,
they get persnickety about this. They don't like when you
call it fourth of July. Whereas my grandmother one side
(33:40):
at fourth of July, so h used to say it
down in Charlottesville. So you know, this is a time
of independent celebration for America.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
So there you go. Buck.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
One of our podcast listeners has got an issue that
he wants to raise with you. As we finished the
Thursday edition of the program, this is Steve, who wants
to talk with you about your big flamingo discussion.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yes, sir, oh, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
But check your history on the flamingos. I'm seventy years old,
and as a kid before long before Miamivice came out,
I grew up thinking flamingos were from Florida. Chat GPT
says that they were native, but then when it almost extinct,
(34:30):
So check it out.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
All right, all right, buddy, all right, I don't know
the answer here.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm stepping out of this phray. This seems pretty intense.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Well, you know, when you make you know, the zoological
specificity necessary.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
On this on this show is quite a thing, all right.
Let me let me just say this, uh, this is
what the truth is. As I understand, there were flamingos here.
They went extinct though for about two hundred years. Okay,
so they were gone in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds,
and then they wouldn't weren't able to find any and
(35:05):
then the twentieth century they started to try to reintroduce
some native colonies.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
And now in Florida they're about one hundred of them.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But they are doing better than the dodo bird here,
but not much better, like they weren't around. And like
I said, it was the it was a flock of
imported African pink flamingos in Miami Vice that were not
indigenous to Florida that got everybody thinking about in the
eighties of Florida and flamingos.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Again, they didn't have They.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Didn't have flamingos in Florida for over one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So and yet every everywhere you go there's flamingo.
Speaker 9 (35:40):
This in flamingo that it's kind of weird, right, like
walking around Newfoundland being like, hey, the dodo birds, not
as many dodo birds.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
All over northern Michigan, they've got Bear in every business,
streets named after Bear. I don't think there's any bear
left up here. By the way, Jody Jody says, love
the show they used to have Flaminia. You got lit
up by flamingo people out there, also saying the same thing.
They were decimated for the feathers used in women's hats
(36:15):
back in the day. That's why they killed all the
flamingos off in Florida. So I don't know, sir, you
better step check yourself before you step into flamingo wars.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Well, I'm just they were gone though.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
That's my point is that there were no flamingos, and
everyone's talking about flamingos all the time. The only flamingos
you're gonna see in Florida are the lawn ornaance out there.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'm just telling you guys the truth. You can come
at me with whatever you like. We'll be back tomorrow.
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