April 21, 2025 • 37 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show begins with a discussion on the potential replacement of Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, with the hosts expressing skepticism about the NPR report suggesting this change. They highlight the media's focus on Hegseth and the challenges he faces as an outsider in the Pentagon.
The conversation shifts to the Democratic Party's internal struggles and the possibility of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) emerging as a leader. Kevin McCarthy's comments on AOC potentially becoming the leader of the Democratic Party are discussed, with Buck and Clay debating her chances and the dynamics within the party. Buck argues that AOC's charisma and online presence could make her a significant figure, while Clay suggests that the Democrats might avoid choosing a woman due to past experiences with Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris.
The hosts also touch on the broader implications of media influence, with Jim Clyburn's remarks about the media's role in delivering the Democratic message. They discuss the shift in media power and the growing importance of social media platforms in shaping political discourse.
The hour concludes with a lighthearted segment featuring Glenn Beck's advice to Buck on fatherhood, emphasizing the importance of cherishing every moment with his new baby. The hosts reflect on the joys and challenges of parenting and share personal anecdotes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of play in Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and we have well
I want to jump into where the Democrats are, where
their leadership fit stands, all of that coming up here,
But first is to deal with this. There's a story
out there NPR reporting that there is already a process
(00:21):
underway to replace Pete hex as Secretary of Defense. I'm
not buying it. I don't believe it. I don't think
that's happening. Could be wrong, but I don't. I would
I would place a considerable wager that Pete's going to
be just fine with this, especially based on what these
the the transgressions that are listed in these reports. But
(00:45):
I will say this, Clay, there there should be a
recognition I think there is with this White House that
if you give the media what they want on anything,
and they clearly really want this, they've you've pointed this out.
I'll get full credit for this observation. I agree with
it that because I thought RFK Junior would get far
(01:06):
more because remember it's not just that he you know
that that he's a guy who goes against the system
and Fouci and all this stuff, but he's also an
apostate from the Democrat Party, right, He's a He's a
refugee from liberalism at least on some issues, at least
as it pertains to health. He's not part of their system.
(01:29):
They they have focused eighty percent of their cabinet ire
on Pete Hagsath all along.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and by the way, it's not just RFK Junior.
Tulsea Gabbert did the same thing. I mean, she ran
for president as a Democrat in twenty twenty. Both of
them got confirmed. And I would say, you know, we're
coming up on one hundred days of the Trump presidency.
Compared to the amount of attacks that have come down
on Pete Hegseeth, it's it's pretty extraordinary how much of
(01:59):
the has been focused on him. And I think one
of the reasons is because he wasn't in the cool
kids club in any way, because he was not a
long time Pentagon official. He didn't work his way up
that way. And I think there have been a lot
of people that were unhappy that Trump picked a proverbial outsider,
(02:24):
and they really lined up against him in a way
that frankly wasn't reflected in any other cabinet member. I mean,
he only got in because JD. Vance broke the tie
fifty to fifty. There were three Republicans who decided to
vote against him, and nearly it came down to North
Carolina senator whether or not he was going to get
confirmed or not. And they haven't really relented on him since.
(02:48):
Every story that has been written about him in The
New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, the usual suspects,
they've all been negative. Now one single positive story's been written.
I'll give you one, and that's actually hugely positive. The
amount of people that want to serve in our armed
forces since Pete Hegseth became Defense Secretary has skyrocketed. They
(03:09):
may not like the fact that he's out working out
with guys all over the world that are in our
armed forces, but I think having a youthful Defense secretary
actually connects with a lot of eighteen to twenty four
year old.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Dudes out there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think saying hey, we're going to hire people and
we want you to kick the bad guys ass, I
think that's a lot more appealing than find your gender
identity in the Marines, right. I mean, I think most
of the young guys and gals that they are hiring them,
want to serve our country, want to kick ass.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
That's what their goal is. And as is so often
the case when it comes to opposition to the Trump administration,
play success for Secretary of Defense Hegseth. While good for
the country, democrats view it as bad for them. And
so if he were able to cont you on this
pathway to your point about making the military much more
(04:04):
like the perception that the military was putting out. Do
you remember remember some of the commercials, yes for the
Marines when you were growing up, and I remember seeing
this and that, you know, they had the they had
the marine dress dress uniform on and the sword, and
you're like, this is badass. I think I might want
to be a marine, right, some of the army ads
that you would see.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I wanted to be a fighter pilot after Top Gun
Buck they leaned in. I think they've done a good
job with Top Gun Maverick. But when I was five
or six and Top Gun the original came out, how
could you watch that movie as a kid and not
want to be a jet fighter pilot?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, you definitely have the humility to be a fighter pilot.
Where you go, that's right, that's right, you know, you
know how you know who a fighter pilot is right
when he walks in the room, he'll tell you. So
I got I got to father in law jokes, I
got to you know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did you see did you see the this is funny?
Did you see the story that went viral where the
pilot uh post saw an Instagram influencer and he did
you see the story and went megaviral. He just wrote
a note and it just said you are the most
beautiful girl I've seen in a very long time on
a note on like a napkin and just put it
(05:11):
down with her and wrote like Ben or whatever his
name was, no phone number, no nothing else, And it
just rocked the Instagram influencers world. She's like, some random
pilot just dropped this note on my you know, like
they were at like a restaurant or bar in the airport,
and it went megaviral. Millions of people saw it and
everybody was like, that's a pilot life. You know, like
(05:33):
these guys just have unbelievable self confidence. They just roll
right up to gorgeous girls, drop a note, don't even
give their phone number, just keep walking. Anyway, this thing
went megaviral and I think ties in with that. I
don't think they like. By the way, would you want
an unconfident person piloting and a fighter jet.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Would you want.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Somebody who's like, ah, I think I'm okay at it?
Or do you want somebody who's like, hey, just get
in kickback, I got you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I want somebody who's pretty confident about flying jet. Yeah. Well,
the person you want driving the plane, flying the plane
when you're in it is a person who wants to
be in that seat when stuff gets tough, right, that's
whatever you want. The person who goes everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
By the way, I don't want a surgeon who's like,
I think I'm pretty good. You know, sometimes I get
the wrong ventricle crossed up on the hearts. No, I
want somebody who's like, I am God's gift to surgery. Yes,
I got your brother, don't worry. That's what I want
to can't.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But I see this from content on like TikTok and Instagram.
There's these these different characteristics of medical specialties, and you know,
cardiac and brain surgeons in particular, just like Hi, I'm God,
nice to meet you. That's whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And you know what a lot of those guys also
learn how to be pilots, because I think they have
like that idea that they are uniquely skilled and it
probably is the same mindset that translates to flying a
plane that operating on a heart would would require, I
think in many respons Yes. Well, our friend Pete Hegseth
also does not lack for confidence, and he is the
(07:04):
Secretary of Defense right now and he has according to
Caroline Levitt, this has cut one fully standing behind Pete
Hegseth at this point. Just play this for everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The President stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing
a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon. And this is what
happens when the entire Pentagon is working against you and
working against the monumental change that you are trying to implement.
Secretary Hegswifth. Hegseth was nominated for this position because he
is standing up for the war fighter, the men and
women in uniform who are putting their lives on the
(07:38):
line to protect our country and our homeland. And unfortunately,
there have been people at that building who don't like
the change the Secretary is trying to bring. So they
are leaking and they are lying to the mainstream media.
We've seen this game played before. The secretary is doing
a tremendous job and the president stands strongly behind him.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I don't see that swerving changing walk back. I don't
think they're gonna put Caroline out there. First of all,
she's probably talked to Trump about this just a few
minutes before making that statement, And look at it. It is
the pleasure of the president, right, So you're you got
to be in the mind of the man to know.
But we know Trump pretty well and I don't think
he sees anything here that requires. The only thing that
(08:20):
would get Pete canned would be disloyalty to the mission
or disloyalty to Trump. To me, that's the you know,
if he did either of those things, and by the way,
then we would say, yeah, no, he's got to go.
I don't know what happened, but neither of those things.
Pete would solve his own arm before either of those
things happened.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I also think Trump learned a lesson in the first
term on many different levels, but one of them was
it doesn't end if he said, okay, Pete, hegseth, I'm
gonna remove him. We're going to have a new Defense secretary.
It's not like the media and the people who are
attacking him would suddenly say, Okay, you know, we're comfortable.
(09:02):
The analogy I would make is, and I've been making.
I've been on this for years. You can never change
a team name because nobody ever says, once you change
that team name, hey you know what we're done now.
So the Redskins name changes, the Indians name changes. They're
not satisfied. They don't say, okay, well this is good,
We're back to normal now. They say the Kansas City
Chiefs have to go, the Atlanta Berets have to go.
(09:24):
They always need a new target. So if you are Trump,
my advice to him would be, if you like the
people you picked, which it seems he did and does,
why in the world would you let people who don't
have your best interest at heart in any way encourage
you to change the choices that you have made so far.
(09:44):
And I think he learned that. I think he had
a little bit of Hey, you know, I'll play kate
my critics. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll make a
shift here. If heg Seth's gone, who's next man up?
It's either RFK Junior or it's Tulsi. They come with
them guns blazing every day. Well, that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, knows Trump knows all too well that if he
were to replace his secretary of Defense this early, and
especially a secretary of Defense who has been so closely
associated with loyalty to the president and his mission, the
headline of the New York Times is not Donald Trump
in an about face and a moment of reasonableness and government,
(10:24):
you know, government acumen or efficiency, decided to make a
decision that we all agree with. Perhaps we'll see a
new No, it's you know, showing what disorder there is
in the Trump administration. Trump has to toss out a
secretary of defense. This is just the beginning. There's so
many more who need to go. You know, it's it
just lights their fire man, it just turns. It just
(10:46):
makes them feel like they got one. And that's the
This is the lesson that I'll say. Also, a lot
of people learn during the whole cancelation era of oh
if I apologize or if I bend the knee, oh no,
you ben the need apologize, then you're fired and you're
never allowed to work again.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
In your industry. There is no attempt at goodwill or reasonableness.
You can't negotiate with these people. This is why my
lesson that I've taken from this, and sometimes Buck gets
drawn into it, is you don't like something that I
did or said, I'm gonna double or triple down on
what I did or said that you don't like, because
I think that's the only way you can handle these people.
(11:25):
If they think that they can get you to step
back or not continue to say exactly what you think,
they will take advantage of you. They're not good actors.
They're not reasonable people. Reasonable people you come together and
you say, Okay, you might not agree with this, like,
let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
This is what most of America is like.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
But the people trying to cancel you, the people who
want hag Seth gone, they are not the people out
there that are behaving in good faith. And I think
Trump had to learn that because I think there's a
part of Trump and I bet you would sign off
on this two Buck that actually does want to be liked.
He's trying to get people to like him more. And
I think in his first term he thought, oh, maybe
(12:05):
they have a point. Maybe if I try to work
with them, they will be more, they'll be fairer. And
then they try to you know, they try to put
in prison for the rest of the life guy, to
kill him. And it's over, right, like this attempt to
in some way make them happy. He's done with it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, And I think that this is one of the
major lessons from the first administration for Trump, which was
you know, I'm not talking about some of the lower
level people that had to get fired like Scaramuci and
some of this stuff, but also those are people who
just happen to be around and they were staffing up fast.
These picks that Trump has put in place, this is
(12:41):
his team, he vetted. He knows these people individually, he
knows what they're trying to accomplish. And so this isn't oh,
we just needed to grab somebody and someone else said
this guy was good. This is I'm going to feed
one of my people to the angry mob and he's
not gonna do it, I'm telling you, and it's not
(13:03):
gonna happen. This is I think this is fake news
from NPR, which shouldn't be getting any of our money.
By the way, I think we should tee off on
this even more than we do. The government doesn't pay us.
We got the biggest radio show in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
The government's not paying Sean Hannity, government's not playing Glenn Beck,
Jesse Kelly, all the people that are a part of
our premier network. And somehow we're meeting you, Me and
everybody else out there that pays taxes. We're paying for NPR,
which exists to be the opposition to this show. It
doesn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
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in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you
hanging out with us as we are rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. And there are a lot
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of different stories that are out there that we've been
tracking so far during the course of the day, but
this is one for you, Buck. This is AOC has
been surging in popularity. You think that she may end
up being the standard barrier bearer. Potentially it should also
(16:13):
be a standard barrier by twenty twenty eight. Here's Kevin
McCarthy saying, Hey, AOC could crush the old guard Democrats
and become the leader of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
This has cut twenty two.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
What we're watching live is a civil war inside the
Democratic Party and they're fighting for new leadership. And this
is what's going to happen. Remember AOC did this exact
same thing a couple of years ago and the party
tried to shut her down when she would primary other
members in Congress. And this is what I predict. They're
going to fight to see who becomes leader of this party.
(16:49):
Right now it's really AOC and Bernie Sanders, But this
is what's going to happen. They're going to run against
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, and jakeem That
will be a motivating factor. They will raise more money
running against Democrats than they will running against Republicans, and
whoever comes out of that will become the leader of
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the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You buy yeah, I mean I look at the field.
I've said, here's the thing. They either just go all
in on AOC and the social media phenomenon that she
is and that she brings to the table, or they're
going to go with a Wes Moore, a guy who
they're trying to get more of that broad appeal, right,
(17:36):
broad American appeal. The guy's a quarterback, he's a veteran.
Like you know a lot of Americans say, yeah, I
like that guy. Right, Those are the two directions. I
don't think it's the civil war going on in the
Democrat Party, but I do think there's a choice being made.
We should get some more into this AOC component of it,
because yes, I need the team also to find when
I said this right after the election, I think that
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were talking about Democrats and the possibility of AOC as
a new leader of the Democrat Party. Clay is both
somewhat dismissive of this prospect, but I think also enthusiastic
if it were to happen, because he thinks AOC is
going to be easy for our side to handle and
(19:23):
deal with. But let's get in silence. First of all,
there's clearly an issue that the Democrats have right now,
as all the polling shows. It's not just that Trump
is getting it done and so far it's been a
really solid administration. It is that the Democrats, I keep
using the word in disarray. The Democrats are in a
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rough spot. Play twenty three.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I'll think the message the cours from the Democratit Party
is a good and best and the problem we've got
is that we have to depend upon the media to
deliver it if we the Washington Post for instance, caving
to this want to be dictated. I mean, got other
media entity is that seeing to rather push a narrative
(20:11):
that will bring eyes to their newspapers or to their
television sets and not really give a fear sharing or
reporting to what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now, the media component of this.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
First of all, the fact that he's saying the media
is not rigged enough in our favor anymore basically is accurate,
but also really funny that he is making that case.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But so this is this is where I want to
weigh on the AOC point of things. The legacy media.
He's saying, oh, the media is not in on no
what he's picking up on what Jim clyburn is referring to.
He's seeing a shift, but he's misdiagnosing the shift. It's
not that the media isn't as on the Democrat team.
It's that the legacy, uh, what we used to call
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the mainstream media, you know, the Democrat aligned corporate media,
the three letter non Fox Networks, the biggest newspapers in
the country, the Sunday talk shows, right, they all no
longer have the ability to influence the conversation the way
they used to, even on the Republican side, but in general,
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and certainly the Democrats side, they don't set the agenda
for the nation the way that things used to be.
So what he's feeling or he's saying, is, oh, they're
not as on our side. It's no, They're just not
as effective as they used to be. They don't matter
as much as they used to. So this is where
I think AOC comes in. I understand people are going
to say that AOC is an idiot communist and that
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she will be a mess for the Democrats, and I
don't disagree with some of that assessment. But she can
just change what she has said in the past. I
think that we're in an era now where people are
no longer really tied to what they said yesterday in
nevermind they said a few years ago. Politically and Clay,
she has online what do they say? What do the
(22:07):
kids say?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Riz, which is short I believe for charisma. She's got
the RIZ, She's got aura. She is able to command
massive attention and interest in the online ecosystem, which is
now a much bigger part of the media. Apparatus than
ever before. That is my pitch to you for why
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they change what she says. They make her seem slightly
less insane. She's, you know, looks good on camera. She's
a Latin female boom or Latin American female boom.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I think her problem is Democrats are not going to
go with a woman because they saw what happened to Hillary,
they saw what happened to Kamala. I think they have
gotten burned twice by women. Who did they win with
Joe Biden. This old white guy I think they will
(23:02):
find looking ahead to twenty eight, AOC as a vice
presidential nominee I think could make sense. I think they
will find, interestingly enough, an old white guy or a
Barack Obama like young male, young ish. Right, we're talking
about politics where if you're forty five, this is the
(23:24):
this is the westmore were they to me those are
the two? It's you know that either. So to me
that the decision the Democrats are making, Clay is are
they going to build? And remember, this is going to
be a process.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, So to what you're saying about with AOC, it
doesn't even have to just be who's the president of
four years Clay. I mean, who's going to be the
primary voice of the Democrats going into the midterms, right,
who's the leader now or soon? Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Remember that the DNC basically said, Bernie, you're not going
to be the guy. Bernie is now trying to deputize
AOC as the next general ration leader.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think we know one hundred year old man thing
is not actually a good look in politics. We did
learn that you can, in fact be too old for
this job. I think the Democrat party elites do not
like AOC, and so I think they will line up
in some way eventually, much like they suddenly. The Party
(24:23):
of Democracy actually just picks people. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Obama got past Hillary even though she had all the
advantages in eight But he's the exception. Most of the time,
they say, hey, you're the guy or you're the gal,
and Democracy be damned.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
James Cliburn, who you just played.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Remember Obama came im sorry, Biden came in I believe,
fifth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, second in Nevada.
And then suddenly James Clyburn said it's Biden. Because everybody
was a f it was otherwise going to be Bernie
It doesn't get talked about enough. But Bernie probably would
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have been the pick of the Democrat Party but for
the rigging in sixteen and the choice that he's too
radical in twenty they.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, so let me just throw this out there. Though
I think put aside the age going at the last
few Democrats, last few Democrats cycles last few elections, Bernie
was a progressive, really a socialist maybe a communist who
ran as such, and that was the problem for him.
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What Democrats want is they want Obama. They want a
socialist who pretends an election time to be more reasonable
on economics or more centrist on these different things. If
AOC pivots and says, you know, oh, it was my
progressive youth, doesn't haven't say that, but no, that will
be the perception. Oh she was such a progressive, but
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now she's moving toward the center. That to me is
the way that the Democrats get because the Democrats for
them to win a national election. Look at it of
the Joe Biden. Oh he's good old Biden. He's a centrist,
he's a monor. You can trust him. And then you
got a communication from the White House saying we need
to protect trans surgery for eight year olds or ten
year olds. I mean it was insane. Okay, you got
(26:16):
far left policy out of a Biden white House, But
Biden was the facade to fool people. The trojan horse AOC,
if she positions properly, in my mind, can be the
same thing. The progressives know that she's actually a commie,
but she'll present, she'll go on with Stefanopolopolis and she'll
say that, oh no, I believe in a free market
economy too, and you know, the usual headfake. That's how
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I see it playing out.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I got off the AOC bus. You may remember this
because you were in New York at the time. Do
you remember when she opposed Amazon's new headquarters in Queen's
I think it was in On Islands City, A big
headquarters are Yeah. I have family that have a that
lived there, so I know all about it. And when
she opposed it, she didn't even understand the concept of
how tax rebates worked. She thought that taxpayers were giving
(27:04):
billions of dollars in cash to Amazon, and she.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Torpedoed that entire deal. Am I remembering correctly?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
They were going to build a big headquarters in New
York City and in DC and then she said no,
and they basically just are building I believe in northern
Virginia a big Amazon East Coast headquarters to go along
with their West Coast headquarters. She destroyed all that. So
my concern as I were looking at this is Hillary
(27:33):
got beaten. But Hillary's not a moron. Kamala I think
was a moron in that Kamala could not elucidate in
an intelligent way what she actually supported because she just
tripped all over herself. I think AOC is closer to
Kamala than she is to Hillary.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And so is Biden a moron? Yes, okay, he was president.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
He was.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He's an old white guy, and the data reflected that
there were enough old white people who didn't see him
as a threat. This is something you got right in
the Midwest that I think will see AOC as more
of a threat, much like they saw Kamala as more
of a threat to their overall lifestyle. In order to
get a Communist in the White House, you have to
(28:22):
hide him. They're able to hide Biden because I don't
think Biden knew what he believed in anymore, but he
had that moderate history and they basically just kind of
hit him. They put him in the basement, and they
ran him as generic old white guy candidate. I don't
know who the generic old white guy candidate could be
in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It may be somebody, look at Obama, you don't have
to be a white I mean, you don't have to
be an old white guy.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Obama motivated minority voters in a way that was unique,
which is why I think the Wes Moore analogy applies.
I think if Wes Moore were talented, then I think
he could be a charismatic, younger generation leader. I think
AOC is more aligned with Kamala and Hillary, and I
just don't think they will pick a woman based on
(29:05):
going over too with women.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Well, I for one, Clay, they want to shadow that
class ceiling, and they haven't given up the dream. Unto
I think that Look, if somebody said, and maybe there's
a way I can do this, like put money on
a ticket right now, to me, it's probably Wes Moore
at the top of the ticket with AOC as VP.
But I still think that that AOC in the meantime
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is a far more important part of the Democrat resistance
because Wes Moore can play that role in politics of
the all American guy kind of a mind. It doesn't
matter what he really is on policy, right, they'll just
say whatever. This is the same thing with Obama. Obama
was a radical state senator, radical leftist. Obama was the
(29:48):
most left wing senator in the United States Senate when
he ran for president, and they were you know, and
then he gave flowery speeches and everyone. Oh, so they
can do the same thing. I think with Wes Moore.
So to me it would be Wes more the out
the ticket and AOC at the bottom of the ticket.
But I just think that if you're looking for a
leader of the resistance, uh, Bernie too old, I mean
(30:09):
Pelosi too old. These people are just no, they no
longer have resonance with the broader electorate. They all look
like they should be spending time with their great grandkids.
One thing that isn't getting very much attention, But I
think it's interesting. You know who hasn't been very outspoken
about this, Abrao Garcia. Dude, the governor of Maryland. You
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got the senator getting on a plane going to El Salvador.
Wes Moore is the governor of Maryland.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, if he were trying to tack towards the left,
wouldn't he be on a plane to El Salvador El
Salvador about He could be the lead. He could be
the a bloc first guest on every non Fox, you know,
left wing cable news show and have a front page,
you know, a top of the fold editorial in the
(30:57):
New York Times in an instant if you wanted to
go in on this subject in a heavy way.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
He's not. I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The other thing you've talked about, how I trust football
fans sports fans more than non sports fans. Yes, I
think a handshake, it's a cigaret handshake. I think this
guy is not a fake sports fan. He's a big
Baltimore Ravens fan. He's got a military background. I saw
a video of him tailgating, and he didn't look like
(31:24):
Tim Wall's doing spirit fingers.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He just seemed like a normal dude who liked to go.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Have a beer, have a hot dog maybe, and get
ready for a game. Sports fans can tell whether you're
fake or not because a lot of politicians want to
appear to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Be regular guys.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The fact that he's not getting all involved in this
El Salvador thing super interesting to me because to your point,
he could be on every television show in the country
talking about it. I think maybe he's smarter politically than
he has been given credit for. He can ride above
the fray as a popular governor and then parachute in
to the twenty twenty eight race as a relatively normal dude.
(32:03):
I also know, you know what else, Buck, he actually
has a pretty good relationship with Trump, which would surprise people.
I think he has been very happy to meet with Trump,
call him be at his public events. I think that
he's smarter than a lot of people are giving him
credit for, and a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Don't even know what. Yeah, I've said all along. I
think that he's I think he's the likeliest guy right
now to be the standard bearer for the Democrats in
the next election. But that's different than who is the
leader of the resistance. Between now and the midterms, let's say,
and I think you're just going to see more and
more of AOC and that actually may play to his favor,
to Wes Moore's favor in the general, just because he
(32:42):
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I'd like to tell you a bunch of funny stuff
because it stops being funny when they turn into teenagers.
But that's a long way away from now, or so
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both of them now, the other the last two in college.
I would just recommend don't miss a moment. You're gonna
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Wait for this.
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Message for new Dad, Buck Sexton and your former employer
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's great, man, it's great. We're having a lot of fun.
You know, there's a lot of good stuff going on.
I won't say it's fantastic. I love it. I just
want to know. I want to get to a couple more.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I got to stop thinking about grandkids because that's probably
a ways a way for me, so uh you know,
but uh yeah, I really enjoy it. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
A lot of great responses rolling in. We'll get to
more of those tomorrow. About who's going to be the
standard bearer of the Democrat Party going forward. I do
agree with you that AOC is likely to be the
public facing opposition of Trump in the midterms. I do
think that that is likely to emerge meaning next year
at this time, as we get closer to summer and
(35:51):
everybody started to think about who's going to win the House.
I think that she probably will work in some of
those areas. But I think if you're smart, this is
look I'm giving advice to Democrats. If you're smart, running
against Trump doesn't make sense because he's not going to
be able to run again. You have to give a
vision for the country that is something other than Trump
(36:14):
is hitler, He's awful. I think as soon as the
midterms are over, you'll actually see, and I've said this
on the air Buck a pivot towards Oh, the Republican
Party didn't win in twenty twenty four. Trump did. He's
just that good of a politician. His talents won't translate
into twenty twenty eight. Get ready for that argument.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
It's coming. Yeah, I think that's probably going to happen.
We didn't get too enough talkbacks some calls today. We'll
take more tomorrow. We just got fired off about a
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Third hour of play in Buck kicks off right now.
Thanks for being with us, everybody, and we have well
I want to jump into where the Democrats are, where
their leadership fit stands, all of that coming up here,
But first is to deal with this. There's a story
out there NPR reporting that there is already a process
(00:21):
underway to replace Pete hex as Secretary of Defense. I'm
not buying it. I don't believe it. I don't think
that's happening. Could be wrong, but I don't. I would
I would place a considerable wager that Pete's going to
be just fine with this, especially based on what these
the the transgressions that are listed in these reports. But
(00:45):
I will say this, Clay, there there should be a
recognition I think there is with this White House that
if you give the media what they want on anything,
and they clearly really want this, they've you've pointed this out.
I'll get full credit for this observation. I agree with
it that because I thought RFK Junior would get far
(01:06):
more because remember it's not just that he you know
that that he's a guy who goes against the system
and Fouci and all this stuff, but he's also an
apostate from the Democrat Party, right, He's a He's a
refugee from liberalism at least on some issues, at least
as it pertains to health. He's not part of their system.
(01:29):
They they have focused eighty percent of their cabinet ire
on Pete Hagsath all along.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and by the way, it's not just RFK Junior.
Tulsea Gabbert did the same thing. I mean, she ran
for president as a Democrat in twenty twenty. Both of
them got confirmed. And I would say, you know, we're
coming up on one hundred days of the Trump presidency.
Compared to the amount of attacks that have come down
on Pete Hegseeth, it's it's pretty extraordinary how much of
(01:59):
the has been focused on him. And I think one
of the reasons is because he wasn't in the cool
kids club in any way, because he was not a
long time Pentagon official. He didn't work his way up
that way. And I think there have been a lot
of people that were unhappy that Trump picked a proverbial outsider,
(02:24):
and they really lined up against him in a way
that frankly wasn't reflected in any other cabinet member. I mean,
he only got in because JD. Vance broke the tie
fifty to fifty. There were three Republicans who decided to
vote against him, and nearly it came down to North
Carolina senator whether or not he was going to get
confirmed or not. And they haven't really relented on him since.
(02:48):
Every story that has been written about him in The
New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, the usual suspects,
they've all been negative. Now one single positive story's been written.
I'll give you one, and that's actually hugely positive. The
amount of people that want to serve in our armed
forces since Pete Hegseth became Defense Secretary has skyrocketed. They
(03:09):
may not like the fact that he's out working out
with guys all over the world that are in our
armed forces, but I think having a youthful Defense secretary
actually connects with a lot of eighteen to twenty four
year old.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Dudes out there.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think saying hey, we're going to hire people and
we want you to kick the bad guys ass, I
think that's a lot more appealing than find your gender
identity in the Marines, right. I mean, I think most
of the young guys and gals that they are hiring them,
want to serve our country, want to kick ass.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
That's what their goal is. And as is so often
the case when it comes to opposition to the Trump administration,
play success for Secretary of Defense Hegseth. While good for
the country, democrats view it as bad for them. And
so if he were able to cont you on this
pathway to your point about making the military much more
(04:04):
like the perception that the military was putting out. Do
you remember remember some of the commercials, yes for the
Marines when you were growing up, and I remember seeing
this and that, you know, they had the they had
the marine dress dress uniform on and the sword, and
you're like, this is badass. I think I might want
to be a marine, right, some of the army ads
that you would see.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I wanted to be a fighter pilot after Top Gun
Buck they leaned in. I think they've done a good
job with Top Gun Maverick. But when I was five
or six and Top Gun the original came out, how
could you watch that movie as a kid and not
want to be a jet fighter pilot?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, you definitely have the humility to be a fighter pilot.
Where you go, that's right, that's right, you know, you
know how you know who a fighter pilot is right
when he walks in the room, he'll tell you. So
I got I got to father in law jokes, I
got to you know.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did you see did you see the this is funny?
Did you see the story that went viral where the
pilot uh post saw an Instagram influencer and he did
you see the story and went megaviral. He just wrote
a note and it just said you are the most
beautiful girl I've seen in a very long time on
a note on like a napkin and just put it
(05:11):
down with her and wrote like Ben or whatever his
name was, no phone number, no nothing else, And it
just rocked the Instagram influencers world. She's like, some random
pilot just dropped this note on my you know, like
they were at like a restaurant or bar in the airport,
and it went megaviral. Millions of people saw it and
everybody was like, that's a pilot life. You know, like
(05:33):
these guys just have unbelievable self confidence. They just roll
right up to gorgeous girls, drop a note, don't even
give their phone number, just keep walking. Anyway, this thing
went megaviral and I think ties in with that. I
don't think they like. By the way, would you want
an unconfident person piloting and a fighter jet.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Would you want.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Somebody who's like, ah, I think I'm okay at it?
Or do you want somebody who's like, hey, just get
in kickback, I got you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I want somebody who's pretty confident about flying jet. Yeah. Well,
the person you want driving the plane, flying the plane
when you're in it is a person who wants to
be in that seat when stuff gets tough, right, that's
whatever you want. The person who goes everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
By the way, I don't want a surgeon who's like,
I think I'm pretty good. You know, sometimes I get
the wrong ventricle crossed up on the hearts. No, I
want somebody who's like, I am God's gift to surgery. Yes,
I got your brother, don't worry. That's what I want
to can't.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But I see this from content on like TikTok and Instagram.
There's these these different characteristics of medical specialties, and you know,
cardiac and brain surgeons in particular, just like Hi, I'm God,
nice to meet you. That's whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And you know what a lot of those guys also
learn how to be pilots, because I think they have
like that idea that they are uniquely skilled and it
probably is the same mindset that translates to flying a
plane that operating on a heart would would require, I
think in many respons Yes. Well, our friend Pete Hegseth
also does not lack for confidence, and he is the
(07:04):
Secretary of Defense right now and he has according to
Caroline Levitt, this has cut one fully standing behind Pete
Hegseth at this point. Just play this for everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The President stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing
a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon. And this is what
happens when the entire Pentagon is working against you and
working against the monumental change that you are trying to implement.
Secretary Hegswifth. Hegseth was nominated for this position because he
is standing up for the war fighter, the men and
women in uniform who are putting their lives on the
(07:38):
line to protect our country and our homeland. And unfortunately,
there have been people at that building who don't like
the change the Secretary is trying to bring. So they
are leaking and they are lying to the mainstream media.
We've seen this game played before. The secretary is doing
a tremendous job and the president stands strongly behind him.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I don't see that swerving changing walk back. I don't
think they're gonna put Caroline out there. First of all,
she's probably talked to Trump about this just a few
minutes before making that statement, And look at it. It is
the pleasure of the president, right, So you're you got
to be in the mind of the man to know.
But we know Trump pretty well and I don't think
he sees anything here that requires. The only thing that
(08:20):
would get Pete canned would be disloyalty to the mission
or disloyalty to Trump. To me, that's the you know,
if he did either of those things, and by the way,
then we would say, yeah, no, he's got to go.
I don't know what happened, but neither of those things.
Pete would solve his own arm before either of those
things happened.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I also think Trump learned a lesson in the first
term on many different levels, but one of them was
it doesn't end if he said, okay, Pete, hegseth, I'm
gonna remove him. We're going to have a new Defense secretary.
It's not like the media and the people who are
attacking him would suddenly say, Okay, you know, we're comfortable.
(09:02):
The analogy I would make is, and I've been making.
I've been on this for years. You can never change
a team name because nobody ever says, once you change
that team name, hey you know what we're done now.
So the Redskins name changes, the Indians name changes. They're
not satisfied. They don't say, okay, well this is good,
We're back to normal now. They say the Kansas City
Chiefs have to go, the Atlanta Berets have to go.
(09:24):
They always need a new target. So if you are Trump,
my advice to him would be, if you like the
people you picked, which it seems he did and does,
why in the world would you let people who don't
have your best interest at heart in any way encourage
you to change the choices that you have made so far.
(09:44):
And I think he learned that. I think he had
a little bit of Hey, you know, I'll play kate
my critics. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll make a
shift here. If heg Seth's gone, who's next man up?
It's either RFK Junior or it's Tulsi. They come with
them guns blazing every day. Well, that's exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right, knows Trump knows all too well that if he
were to replace his secretary of Defense this early, and
especially a secretary of Defense who has been so closely
associated with loyalty to the president and his mission, the
headline of the New York Times is not Donald Trump
in an about face and a moment of reasonableness and government,
(10:24):
you know, government acumen or efficiency, decided to make a
decision that we all agree with. Perhaps we'll see a
new No, it's you know, showing what disorder there is
in the Trump administration. Trump has to toss out a
secretary of defense. This is just the beginning. There's so
many more who need to go. You know, it's it
just lights their fire man, it just turns. It just
(10:46):
makes them feel like they got one. And that's the
This is the lesson that I'll say. Also, a lot
of people learn during the whole cancelation era of oh
if I apologize or if I bend the knee, oh no,
you ben the need apologize, then you're fired and you're
never allowed to work again.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
In your industry. There is no attempt at goodwill or reasonableness.
You can't negotiate with these people. This is why my
lesson that I've taken from this, and sometimes Buck gets
drawn into it, is you don't like something that I
did or said, I'm gonna double or triple down on
what I did or said that you don't like, because
I think that's the only way you can handle these people.
(11:25):
If they think that they can get you to step
back or not continue to say exactly what you think,
they will take advantage of you. They're not good actors.
They're not reasonable people. Reasonable people you come together and
you say, Okay, you might not agree with this, like,
let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
This is what most of America is like.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
But the people trying to cancel you, the people who
want hag Seth gone, they are not the people out
there that are behaving in good faith. And I think
Trump had to learn that because I think there's a
part of Trump and I bet you would sign off
on this two Buck that actually does want to be liked.
He's trying to get people to like him more. And
I think in his first term he thought, oh, maybe
(12:05):
they have a point. Maybe if I try to work
with them, they will be more, they'll be fairer. And
then they try to you know, they try to put
in prison for the rest of the life guy, to
kill him. And it's over, right, like this attempt to
in some way make them happy. He's done with it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, And I think that this is one of the
major lessons from the first administration for Trump, which was
you know, I'm not talking about some of the lower
level people that had to get fired like Scaramuci and
some of this stuff, but also those are people who
just happen to be around and they were staffing up fast.
These picks that Trump has put in place, this is
(12:41):
his team, he vetted. He knows these people individually, he
knows what they're trying to accomplish. And so this isn't oh,
we just needed to grab somebody and someone else said
this guy was good. This is I'm going to feed
one of my people to the angry mob and he's
not gonna do it, I'm telling you, and it's not
(13:03):
gonna happen. This is I think this is fake news
from NPR, which shouldn't be getting any of our money.
By the way, I think we should tee off on
this even more than we do. The government doesn't pay us.
We got the biggest radio show in the country.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
The government's not paying Sean Hannity, government's not playing Glenn Beck,
Jesse Kelly, all the people that are a part of
our premier network. And somehow we're meeting you, Me and
everybody else out there that pays taxes. We're paying for NPR,
which exists to be the opposition to this show. It
doesn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's crazy.
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hanging out with us as we are rolling through the
Monday edition of the program. And there are a lot
(15:52):
of different stories that are out there that we've been
tracking so far during the course of the day, but
this is one for you, Buck. This is AOC has
been surging in popularity. You think that she may end
up being the standard barrier bearer. Potentially it should also
(16:13):
be a standard barrier by twenty twenty eight. Here's Kevin
McCarthy saying, Hey, AOC could crush the old guard Democrats
and become the leader of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
This has cut twenty two.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
What we're watching live is a civil war inside the
Democratic Party and they're fighting for new leadership. And this
is what's going to happen. Remember AOC did this exact
same thing a couple of years ago and the party
tried to shut her down when she would primary other
members in Congress. And this is what I predict. They're
going to fight to see who becomes leader of this party.
(16:49):
Right now it's really AOC and Bernie Sanders, But this
is what's going to happen. They're going to run against
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, and jakeem That
will be a motivating factor. They will raise more money
running against Democrats than they will running against Republicans, and
whoever comes out of that will become the leader of
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the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You buy yeah, I mean I look at the field.
I've said, here's the thing. They either just go all
in on AOC and the social media phenomenon that she
is and that she brings to the table, or they're
going to go with a Wes Moore, a guy who
they're trying to get more of that broad appeal, right,
(17:36):
broad American appeal. The guy's a quarterback, he's a veteran.
Like you know a lot of Americans say, yeah, I
like that guy. Right, Those are the two directions. I
don't think it's the civil war going on in the
Democrat Party, but I do think there's a choice being made.
We should get some more into this AOC component of it,
because yes, I need the team also to find when
I said this right after the election, I think that
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a new leader of the Democrat Party. Clay is both
somewhat dismissive of this prospect, but I think also enthusiastic
if it were to happen, because he thinks AOC is
going to be easy for our side to handle and
(19:23):
deal with. But let's get in silence. First of all,
there's clearly an issue that the Democrats have right now,
as all the polling shows. It's not just that Trump
is getting it done and so far it's been a
really solid administration. It is that the Democrats, I keep
using the word in disarray. The Democrats are in a
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rough spot. Play twenty three.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I'll think the message the cours from the Democratit Party
is a good and best and the problem we've got
is that we have to depend upon the media to
deliver it if we the Washington Post for instance, caving
to this want to be dictated. I mean, got other
media entity is that seeing to rather push a narrative
(20:11):
that will bring eyes to their newspapers or to their
television sets and not really give a fear sharing or
reporting to what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now, the media component of this.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
First of all, the fact that he's saying the media
is not rigged enough in our favor anymore basically is accurate,
but also really funny that he is making that case.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But so this is this is where I want to
weigh on the AOC point of things. The legacy media.
He's saying, oh, the media is not in on no
what he's picking up on what Jim clyburn is referring to.
He's seeing a shift, but he's misdiagnosing the shift. It's
not that the media isn't as on the Democrat team.
It's that the legacy, uh, what we used to call
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the mainstream media, you know, the Democrat aligned corporate media,
the three letter non Fox Networks, the biggest newspapers in
the country, the Sunday talk shows, right, they all no
longer have the ability to influence the conversation the way
they used to, even on the Republican side, but in general,
(21:23):
and certainly the Democrats side, they don't set the agenda
for the nation the way that things used to be.
So what he's feeling or he's saying, is, oh, they're
not as on our side. It's no, They're just not
as effective as they used to be. They don't matter
as much as they used to. So this is where
I think AOC comes in. I understand people are going
to say that AOC is an idiot communist and that
(21:47):
she will be a mess for the Democrats, and I
don't disagree with some of that assessment. But she can
just change what she has said in the past. I
think that we're in an era now where people are
no longer really tied to what they said yesterday in
nevermind they said a few years ago. Politically and Clay,
she has online what do they say? What do the
(22:07):
kids say?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Riz, which is short I believe for charisma. She's got
the RIZ, She's got aura. She is able to command
massive attention and interest in the online ecosystem, which is
now a much bigger part of the media. Apparatus than
ever before. That is my pitch to you for why
(22:29):
they change what she says. They make her seem slightly
less insane. She's, you know, looks good on camera. She's
a Latin female boom or Latin American female boom.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I think her problem is Democrats are not going to
go with a woman because they saw what happened to Hillary,
they saw what happened to Kamala. I think they have
gotten burned twice by women. Who did they win with
Joe Biden. This old white guy I think they will
(23:02):
find looking ahead to twenty eight, AOC as a vice
presidential nominee I think could make sense. I think they
will find, interestingly enough, an old white guy or a
Barack Obama like young male, young ish. Right, we're talking
about politics where if you're forty five, this is the
(23:24):
this is the westmore were they to me those are
the two? It's you know that either. So to me
that the decision the Democrats are making, Clay is are
they going to build? And remember, this is going to
be a process.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Right, So to what you're saying about with AOC, it
doesn't even have to just be who's the president of
four years Clay. I mean, who's going to be the
primary voice of the Democrats going into the midterms, right,
who's the leader now or soon? Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Remember that the DNC basically said, Bernie, you're not going
to be the guy. Bernie is now trying to deputize
AOC as the next general ration leader.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think we know one hundred year old man thing
is not actually a good look in politics. We did
learn that you can, in fact be too old for
this job. I think the Democrat party elites do not
like AOC, and so I think they will line up
in some way eventually, much like they suddenly. The Party
(24:23):
of Democracy actually just picks people. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Obama got past Hillary even though she had all the
advantages in eight But he's the exception. Most of the time,
they say, hey, you're the guy or you're the gal,
and Democracy be damned.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
James Cliburn, who you just played.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Remember Obama came im sorry, Biden came in I believe,
fifth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, second in Nevada.
And then suddenly James Clyburn said it's Biden. Because everybody
was a f it was otherwise going to be Bernie
It doesn't get talked about enough. But Bernie probably would
(25:05):
have been the pick of the Democrat Party but for
the rigging in sixteen and the choice that he's too
radical in twenty they.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, so let me just throw this out there. Though
I think put aside the age going at the last
few Democrats, last few Democrats cycles last few elections, Bernie
was a progressive, really a socialist maybe a communist who
ran as such, and that was the problem for him.
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What Democrats want is they want Obama. They want a
socialist who pretends an election time to be more reasonable
on economics or more centrist on these different things. If
AOC pivots and says, you know, oh, it was my
progressive youth, doesn't haven't say that, but no, that will
be the perception. Oh she was such a progressive, but
(25:56):
now she's moving toward the center. That to me is
the way that the Democrats get because the Democrats for
them to win a national election. Look at it of
the Joe Biden. Oh he's good old Biden. He's a centrist,
he's a monor. You can trust him. And then you
got a communication from the White House saying we need
to protect trans surgery for eight year olds or ten
year olds. I mean it was insane. Okay, you got
(26:16):
far left policy out of a Biden white House, But
Biden was the facade to fool people. The trojan horse AOC,
if she positions properly, in my mind, can be the
same thing. The progressives know that she's actually a commie,
but she'll present, she'll go on with Stefanopolopolis and she'll
say that, oh no, I believe in a free market
economy too, and you know, the usual headfake. That's how
(26:39):
I see it playing out.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I got off the AOC bus. You may remember this
because you were in New York at the time. Do
you remember when she opposed Amazon's new headquarters in Queen's
I think it was in On Islands City, A big
headquarters are Yeah. I have family that have a that
lived there, so I know all about it. And when
she opposed it, she didn't even understand the concept of
how tax rebates worked. She thought that taxpayers were giving
(27:04):
billions of dollars in cash to Amazon, and she.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Torpedoed that entire deal. Am I remembering correctly?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
They were going to build a big headquarters in New
York City and in DC and then she said no,
and they basically just are building I believe in northern
Virginia a big Amazon East Coast headquarters to go along
with their West Coast headquarters. She destroyed all that. So
my concern as I were looking at this is Hillary
(27:33):
got beaten. But Hillary's not a moron. Kamala I think
was a moron in that Kamala could not elucidate in
an intelligent way what she actually supported because she just
tripped all over herself. I think AOC is closer to
Kamala than she is to Hillary.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And so is Biden a moron? Yes, okay, he was president.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
He was.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He's an old white guy, and the data reflected that
there were enough old white people who didn't see him
as a threat. This is something you got right in
the Midwest that I think will see AOC as more
of a threat, much like they saw Kamala as more
of a threat to their overall lifestyle. In order to
get a Communist in the White House, you have to
(28:22):
hide him. They're able to hide Biden because I don't
think Biden knew what he believed in anymore, but he
had that moderate history and they basically just kind of
hit him. They put him in the basement, and they
ran him as generic old white guy candidate. I don't
know who the generic old white guy candidate could be
in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It may be somebody, look at Obama, you don't have
to be a white I mean, you don't have to
be an old white guy.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Obama motivated minority voters in a way that was unique,
which is why I think the Wes Moore analogy applies.
I think if Wes Moore were talented, then I think
he could be a charismatic, younger generation leader. I think
AOC is more aligned with Kamala and Hillary, and I
just don't think they will pick a woman based on
(29:05):
going over too with women.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Well, I for one, Clay, they want to shadow that
class ceiling, and they haven't given up the dream. Unto
I think that Look, if somebody said, and maybe there's
a way I can do this, like put money on
a ticket right now, to me, it's probably Wes Moore
at the top of the ticket with AOC as VP.
But I still think that that AOC in the meantime
(29:27):
is a far more important part of the Democrat resistance
because Wes Moore can play that role in politics of
the all American guy kind of a mind. It doesn't
matter what he really is on policy, right, they'll just
say whatever. This is the same thing with Obama. Obama
was a radical state senator, radical leftist. Obama was the
(29:48):
most left wing senator in the United States Senate when
he ran for president, and they were you know, and
then he gave flowery speeches and everyone. Oh, so they
can do the same thing. I think with Wes Moore.
So to me it would be Wes more the out
the ticket and AOC at the bottom of the ticket.
But I just think that if you're looking for a
leader of the resistance, uh, Bernie too old, I mean
(30:09):
Pelosi too old. These people are just no, they no
longer have resonance with the broader electorate. They all look
like they should be spending time with their great grandkids.
One thing that isn't getting very much attention, But I
think it's interesting. You know who hasn't been very outspoken
about this, Abrao Garcia. Dude, the governor of Maryland. You
(30:30):
got the senator getting on a plane going to El Salvador.
Wes Moore is the governor of Maryland.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, if he were trying to tack towards the left,
wouldn't he be on a plane to El Salvador El
Salvador about He could be the lead. He could be
the a bloc first guest on every non Fox, you know,
left wing cable news show and have a front page,
you know, a top of the fold editorial in the
(30:57):
New York Times in an instant if you wanted to
go in on this subject in a heavy way.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
He's not. I think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The other thing you've talked about, how I trust football
fans sports fans more than non sports fans. Yes, I
think a handshake, it's a cigaret handshake. I think this
guy is not a fake sports fan. He's a big
Baltimore Ravens fan. He's got a military background. I saw
a video of him tailgating, and he didn't look like
(31:24):
Tim Wall's doing spirit fingers.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He just seemed like a normal dude who liked to go.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Have a beer, have a hot dog maybe, and get
ready for a game. Sports fans can tell whether you're
fake or not because a lot of politicians want to
appear to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Be regular guys.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The fact that he's not getting all involved in this
El Salvador thing super interesting to me because to your point,
he could be on every television show in the country
talking about it. I think maybe he's smarter politically than
he has been given credit for. He can ride above
the fray as a popular governor and then parachute in
to the twenty twenty eight race as a relatively normal dude.
(32:03):
I also know, you know what else, Buck, he actually
has a pretty good relationship with Trump, which would surprise people.
I think he has been very happy to meet with Trump,
call him be at his public events. I think that
he's smarter than a lot of people are giving him
credit for, and a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Don't even know what. Yeah, I've said all along. I
think that he's I think he's the likeliest guy right
now to be the standard bearer for the Democrats in
the next election. But that's different than who is the
leader of the resistance. Between now and the midterms, let's say,
and I think you're just going to see more and
more of AOC and that actually may play to his favor,
to Wes Moore's favor in the general, just because he
(32:42):
doesn't have to, you know, stay out of his hand,
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because it stops being funny when they turn into teenagers.
But that's a long way away from now, or so
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both of them now, the other the last two in college.
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Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's great, man, it's great. We're having a lot of fun.
You know, there's a lot of good stuff going on.
I won't say it's fantastic. I love it. I just
want to know. I want to get to a couple more.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
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but uh yeah, I really enjoy it. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
A lot of great responses rolling in. We'll get to
more of those tomorrow. About who's going to be the
standard bearer of the Democrat Party going forward. I do
agree with you that AOC is likely to be the
public facing opposition of Trump in the midterms. I do
think that that is likely to emerge meaning next year
at this time, as we get closer to summer and
(35:51):
everybody started to think about who's going to win the House.
I think that she probably will work in some of
those areas. But I think if you're smart, this is
look I'm giving advice to Democrats. If you're smart, running
against Trump doesn't make sense because he's not going to
be able to run again. You have to give a
vision for the country that is something other than Trump
(36:14):
is hitler, He's awful. I think as soon as the
midterms are over, you'll actually see, and I've said this
on the air Buck a pivot towards Oh, the Republican
Party didn't win in twenty twenty four. Trump did. He's
just that good of a politician. His talents won't translate
into twenty twenty eight. Get ready for that argument.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
It's coming. Yeah, I think that's probably going to happen.
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