May 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of political analysis, personal anecdotes, and listener engagement, anchored by Buck Sexton as Clay Travis remains on vacation. This hour opens with a heartfelt story about Buck’s Australian Labradoodle, highlighting the emotional intelligence of dogs and their ability to comfort during illness—a relatable and touching segment for pet lovers. The conversation quickly pivots to pressing political issues, with a deep dive into the controversial “Big Beautiful Bill.” Buck critiques the limitations of executive power, the partisan nature of judicial opposition to President Donald Trump, and the structural challenges in Congress that hinder meaningful fiscal reform. He emphasizes the urgency of addressing the national debt, warning of a looming fiscal crisis if entitlement and automatic spending remain untouched. Key political figures are featured prominently in this hour. Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson voices his support for raising the debt ceiling only if it includes significant spending cuts and a return to pre-pandemic budget levels. Buck also references insights from Stephen Miller, who outlines the bill’s major components: historic welfare and tax reforms, aggressive energy exploration, and strong border security measures—all while aiming to reduce the deficit. However, Buck remains skeptical, noting that even with these reforms, the scale of the national debt ($36–37 trillion) and annual deficits over $1 trillion pose serious long-term risks. Listener calls add depth to the discussion, with one caller arguing that Trump should have pursued smaller, targeted bills to force Democrats into clear voting positions. Buck defends Trump’s strategy as pragmatic, given the current congressional makeup and procedural constraints like the Senate’s Byrd Rule, which limits what can be included in reconciliation bills. The hour also features an interview with Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville, who discusses the Senate’s role in shaping the bill, his concerns about lingering Green New Deal subsidies, and his upcoming run for governor of Alabama. Tuberville stresses the need for fiscal discipline, entitlement reform, and a balanced approach to energy policy. He also touches on the challenges of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) in college sports, advocating for structured contracts and loyalty in collegiate athletics. The segment closes with more listener stories, including a powerful account of a dog detecting a woman’s breast cancer before diagnosis—reinforcing the earlier theme of animal intuition and emotional support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our three of Clay and Buck gets going right now.
And as you know, Clay out on vacation for the
rest of the week. So is he out next week?
Two guys play, Yeah, he's out next week too, So
just gonna be yours true. It's a good thing. I'm hydrating.
It's gonna be yours truly for a while. Uh plays
(00:20):
up this week. Next week. I will be going overseas
in June for a week, so you know, we'll be
trading off here and there for some stuff. He's gonna get.
C's gonna be like Friday, June sixth. There you go.
And yeah, so we we got a lot of time
together team, which is good. And I'm glad that I am.
I'm glad that I'm on the mend. I will have
(00:40):
to tell you this that if some of you follow
me an ax, you saw this, but Ginger, who I
did not, I was not a Sometimes my wife is
listening to the show, so always have to remember that
there's like a few million of you and then my
wife too, So I have to be, you know, on
like really good behavior when I talk about dogs, because
I grew up, I grew up I was kind of
(01:01):
a bulldog guy. I'm just gonna tell you true. I
was a bulldog guy. I love English bulldog, French bulldog,
any squash, you know, the squishy face. Not not really
so much into the chow chouse. I'm sorry. I know
some people love the chaw They can be a little
little bit of biers. I love all dogs though, as
you know, beautiful dogs. I love all dogs. And uh,
(01:23):
I wasn't really a doodle guy. And my wife goes, no, no, no.
You know her family they got it's like a doodle sanctuary.
They got doodles, oodles of doodles in my for my
in laws, they got doodles everywhere. And so I said,
all right, fine, so honey, you know, happy wife, happy life.
Uh you know, we've been married a year. You want
let's get Let's get exactly the dog you want. I
love that silly, little fluffy dog so much. I don't
(01:44):
want to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
She's great Australian labradoodle. And when I was sick, she
would come. She never does this. She would come and
she would lie in the doorway of the of the
guest bedroom that we have, which is gonna eventually be
the baby's room. But I would lie in the door.
She would lie in the doorway just kind of a
(02:06):
little vigil just keeping me company. And uh yeah, it's
just amazing. I and people say, oh, do you really
think dogs know when you're sick. Yeah, they absolutely know. Uh,
dogs know a lot more about what's going on with us.
Just because they can't communicate in English or in any
language of that matter down here in Miami. It might
be Spanish, whatever, it doesn't matter. In whatever language that
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they would be communicating with us, they have They have
an incredible not just I think, kind of intuition about
their owners to spend so much time and are so
focused on you. They can their sense of smell is
it is truly superhuman in the sense that it is
thousands of times more powerful than what we have. Dogs
(02:49):
have been trained to be able to smell cancer. Uh dog,
it's it's I think they're now training dogs smell fentanyl
at the border, which is also very useful. But anyway,
I just this this little dogs. She was so great
and it was really helpful because also dogs can't get neurovirus,
so I could be like, come here, you know, you
can be close. It's okay, Daddy's gonna be all right.
(03:11):
He thinks if he could chug some of this pedia
light anyway, the dog dogs are great, and those of
your dog owners, you know, and when you're really sick, man,
and the dog crawls up on the bed and you
have like everyone has to stay away from you, but
the dog is there for you. And I know for
some of you it's your cats. Maybe for some of
you it's your donkeys. I'm seeing miniature donkeys more and
(03:33):
more as pets. I do love that idea. I don't
think it would go over well with my condo association,
but I do think that donkeys would be a lot
of fun. Donkeys are very, very attuned to humans, very affectionate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I've always found horses. I know some of you're gonna
be big horse people. I've always found horses like a
little sometimes can feel a little aloof Maybe I just
don't know horses very well. Donkeys they come over, they
want to sit in your lap. I mean, it's just
it's a totally different deal. All right, big beautiful Bill,
let's get into some of this first hour. We talked
about how Elon is a little frustrated with where it's
going with the Doge team. And look, I think that
(04:09):
no matter what, the Doge team has done a huge
service just in telling us all about the kinds of
wasteful spending and the amount of just nonsense that's going
on with these payments. But we still come back to,
like a lot of things, will Congress do anything about it?
(04:30):
We're seeing where the limits of executive power are. I think,
in some ways the artificial limits, because a lot of
what's being done to rain Trump in is just it's
purely partisan in nature. It's not, Oh, this is really
about where executive power constitutionally stops and starts. There are
judges who are just anti Trump loans and they want
(04:51):
to stop whatever it is that Trump is doing. Right,
We've seen that, that's obvious, and they're gonna have to
keep working through the courts on that. Yeah, Trump the tyrant.
He's always like, yeah, oh okay, I'll see you in court.
You know, we'll make the best arguments and we'll see
how this goes. It's not what tyrants do, as you
know and I know. But anyway, I think that Trump
(05:11):
is in a position right now where he has the
most political capital he has ever had and the most
ability to change things. But Congress is a big part
of the equation, and so the limits of what can
be accomplished here when it comes to this bill, the
(05:33):
limits are in many ways, I think, just self enforced
by Congress. And it does get me to this place of,
you know, eventually somebody is gonna and I'm not saying, oh,
Trump's we should get rid of the filibuster now because
our guy's in charge, because I know, you know, this
has been holding out for a while, and I think
eventually it is going to go, because eventually people will
(05:54):
tire of it. It might take a crisis, maybe even
the kind of fiscal crisis that we're heading toward by
not actually dealing with the debt, because we're not dealing
with the debt. We're just not. I wish I could
tell you we are. I think a lot of what's
going to happen in this economy in this bill is
going to be great, and I'm very optimistic. But I'm
very optimistic about the next year, the next four years.
(06:17):
Am I optimistic about where what this looks like in
ten years, twenty years, And that's really the question. And
because of the structure and the nature of our political cycles,
It's very hard to get anything done based on no
matter how much of a certainty it is, anything done
based on how much of a certainty catastrophe is ten
(06:38):
years from now. I tell you in American politics that
we are heading toward catastrophe in ten years. Nobody cares.
I tell you what's happening in ten days. Maybe people
pay attention. Ten months, probably ten years. Nope, can't do it,
can't do Oh, things will change, We'll figure it out.
And you know, we've had Ron Johnson on the show
from the Senate to talk about this, and he's a
(07:00):
big Trump supporter, as you know, supports the agenda, and
he still has his concerns. Now it's got to go
through the Senate side of things. Is you know, the
House is what when? When is the House on a
summer vacation? The House and the like public school teachers,
they get a lot of time off Ron Johnson. This
is cut too. Here he is saying from the Senate
(07:22):
side of things, he's got concerns. Play it so you
will vote to raise the debt ceiling if in fact
you get these spending cuts that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Absolutely all I've asked for is a commitment to a
pre pandemic bubble spending and a process to achieve and
maintain it. We've never had a process to control spending.
Don't have a Bow's budget requirement. The Corporation committees didn't work,
Budget Act didn't work, simp and bulls didn't work. The
only thing I can.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
See is a very business versus approach.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Line by line exposed the grotesque waste in the fraud
and abuse.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
This will be a five.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Minute conversation in a business So, guys, I told you
could increase your budget based on inflation and the number
of cups from a HISS reserved your attempt said above
that cut it. We need President Trump to lead on this.
He needs to be fully committed to not funding the
deep state at President Binds levels.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He seems very set on this. Senator Ram Paul has
been with us on this too, and he's also very
supportive overall of a lot of you know, supportive of
the tax cut, supportive of many of the of the
primary components of this bill. And you know it comes
down to and Trump said this during the live press
conference today, just politics man, to get these Republicans to
(08:34):
vote for it, to get to get all the good things,
we've got to get some things in there that we
don't like as much. That's really what everyone's just saying
right now. That's where it is. There's I don't think
there's really much of a fight over what the good
things are on the bill or what the long term
projections on the bill may be. Here's Stephen Miller explaining
(08:58):
on a process level some of what's going on here.
He put this out on X. DOGE cuts are two
discretionary spending, he writes, like the federal bureaucracy, under the
Senate budget rules, you cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory
spending in a reconciliation bill, so DOGE cuts would have
(09:18):
to be done through what is known as a recision
package or an appropriations bill. The Big Beautiful Bill is
not an annual budget bill and does not fund the
Department of Government. It does not finance our agencies or
federal programs. Instead, it includes the single largest welfare reform
in American history, along with the largest tax cut and
(09:41):
reform in American history, the most aggressive energy exploration in
American history, and the strongest border bill in American history,
all while reducing the deficit. Now, I know Steven Miller
well enough to know that everything that he's written here
is true. I think you can take this to the bank.
(10:02):
The challenge here in all of this is that it's
all true, but there's also there's also the reality of, well,
even if this is all accurate, reducing a deficit when
you have a thirty seven or thirty six trillion dollar
debt and you still have a trillion plus deficit yearly
(10:26):
is not enough. If I told you, you know, if
it was one of those shows you call in You're like, hey,
you know, my wife and I have five thousand dollars
in the bank and we want to go on a
fifty thousand dollars vacation and I'm afraid I might lose
my job next week. We have no savings and we
have a huge mortgage on the house. It's like, no,
don't do that. Bad that's a bad idea. I mean,
(10:47):
I know I can do this too, Don't do that.
That's a bad idea. If you are thirty six trillion
dollars is a nation in debt, and you are looking
at spending a trillion dollars plus a year beyond what
you are currently you know, beyond the current death that
you have. That's what the deficit is, what the shortfall
(11:08):
is annually. The dead is the whole thing put together
that we and like I've said before, the Tea Party
was the Tea Party was doing their thing at like
ten trillion or something. Wasn't that long ago ten trillion
and that was oh my gosh, And now it's thirty
five trillion.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The math here is the math. The math is a problem.
So if we can't get Trump to do the kinds
of things that might seem painful and with that maybe transformative,
I don't know who would be in a I don't
know who's going to be in a better position. Certainly
from the Republican side of things. Democrats will spend us
(11:49):
into oblivion. I have no doubt, there is no question
a by my Democrats. They will spend us into oblivion.
And they figure, well, as long as that then the
government's more in charge because the currency is debased and
they're gonna print money, and the government's going to be
even more involved in you know, they're gonna they're gonna
ruin private industry, They're gonna crowd out private expenditures. You're
(12:11):
gonna all this stuff. They they are fine with it.
The Democrats aren't gonna tackle this at all. We know
that it's up to the Republicans to be the adults
in the room and start to say, you know, enough
is enough. But you know, it's like telling somebody it's
time to go on a diet, and let me tell you,
I know about this first month of the diet. It's
not fun. First month of the diet. You're like, you
(12:32):
know what tastes really good right now?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Cheese cake? Cheese cake is good.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know what doesn't taste as good when you're used
to eating a lot of cheesecake, lean, ground turkey, no fat.
You know, ninetylean or one hundred percent lean doesn't taste
as good. But you know what, it's important. It's important
if you want to lead a long, healthy life to
get to the place you need to be metabolically. And
(13:01):
same thing with the country, same thing with our debt.
It is all about whether we're willing to make the
changes and tackle the issues now before they are crises.
And increasingly, what I see, and I've said it you before,
I don't think we are and I wish I could
come up with you know, come up with a happy
(13:23):
way of putting this. But we're and I say we
it's not even about Trump. It's more than about Trump
and this administration. We the American people don't want to
do it, or at least a majority of us who
vote don't want to do it. No interest in it.
Can't touch entitlements, can't change automatic spending. Think about that,
(13:43):
automatic spending. Can't touch automatic spending. Well, if it's automatic,
guess what this is where it's gonna go. It's gonna
get worse. Now we can talk about some of the
great things. Like I said, I think the next year,
I think the economy is gonna boom. It's gonna be fantastic.
But now is our chance to deal with things in
a way that'll put us on better footing for ten
years from now and for our kids and our grandkids
(14:04):
and for those of you who have them. Great gang, yeah,
great grandkids. Now is the time to make those decisions.
Are we doing that? I think that's a tougher case
to make, but I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
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We got Tim in California wants to weigh in on
the big beautiful bill. What's going on? Tim? Y'all, haddie, howdy.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
You called us?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Hey, I just weren't say.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I think Trump's get letting himself get led around again
by his nose. He should have never went for a
big beautiful bill. He should have took all these little bills,
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax
on social Security, and made the Democrats vote up and
down on those bills so people could see where they stand.
If he'd got the win, and he'd had three wins
(16:29):
under his belt, and if they wouldn't, if the Democrats
voted it down, then they'd had three losses. But for
some reason, he allowed himself to get suckered into this
big beautiful bill deal, and it's just gonna blow up
in our face.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Thanks for calling in. Sim I think Trump knows what's
going on here. I don't think he's being suckered in
my sense is that Trump feels that the only way
he can get the really good things in there, this
is the art of the possible, which I know for
a lot of people, you hear that in politics and
it's kind of induces a bit of a cringe. But
the art of the possible, because there are some Republican
(17:06):
members who just wouldn't I'm talking about that in the
House and the Senate. They just won't do it. They
won't do it unless they unless you have some of
the stuff in there. That's what Trump was saying that
in the press conference. If people can take that or
leave it. But I do think it's it's quite clear
that the we have not seen the cuts that we
want to see yet to even on the Doge side
(17:28):
of things. I mean, that's admitted, right. Okay, So if
we need a recisions package, where's the recisions package?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Maybe it's gonna show up at some time sometime soon.
But yeah, we've got let me see, you've got the
five week recess starts in August. There's a week long
recess in Congress. Think a lot of days, a lot
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(19:02):
Appreciate you making the time for us. Clay is out.
So you've got a sports SEC football novice with you
on the radio today. But we can talk some politics
if you're cool with that.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'm good with anything, especially especially the sports part in
the SEC. I'm pretty well versed in that, as you
will know, Bud.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, you know somehow. You know Clay's not here to
explain themself on this one. But of the two college
football games that I have ever gone to see, two
of them both had Alabama in them. I am just
saying that that is the thing that happens. So you
have to take that up. You have to take that
up with Clay. So let's dive into to First of all,
(19:43):
I know you're running for governor, which is very exciting.
I want to talk to you about that. But tell
me this the Senate package or the Senate part of
the big beautiful bill. What are your feelings on this
because there are people who are It's one thing when
the people who don't like Trump don't like something Trump does,
they don't like anything he does. Right as he said
(20:03):
he could cure cancer, that all of a sudden they'd
be pro cancer but there are people who are very
pro Trump, including on the Senate side, who were saying,
you know what this is, this is something that should
be let's say, tinkered with a little bit on the
cutting side.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
What do you say, yeah, one hundred percent, it's gonna
be some adjustments. It never was gonna happen to where
the House did their version. They sent it over and
we were just gonna rubber stamp it. That's not gonna happen.
First of all, we have what we call the Bird
rule and has go the Parliamentarian anything that comes into
this package, and some of it probably won't pass up
(20:41):
through the Bird rule, and any changes, if there's one change.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
At all, has to go back to the House.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Uh. There's several things that other people are very concerned about.
One that I'm concerned about is we did not do
away with to me enough of the Green New Deal
giveaways through their Inflace Reduction Act. That line of the world.
Would we continue to give money away when we shouldn't. Again,
that has they'll probably have to be adjusted in some
(21:08):
form or fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What what is in there on that on that specific
because I've seen the people say the Green New Deal
giveaway is it just a lot of money that the
Democrats set up in the covid era that goes to
wind farms or well what what what is the giveaway
part of it?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Solar farms subsidies, rebates, same thing with wind farms rebates.
Also with EV cars rebates, and you know any other
car we all and I don't have an electric car.
I paid full price and as so do many many,
(21:45):
many other people in this country will continue to push
the EV car. And now I'm fine with EV car,
but at the end of the day, we're gonna have
to get on the same page with this, along with
the gas burning cars and if you want whatever, whichever
one we won't find. But the government shouldn't have to
pay any of that. So there should be an adjustment
(22:05):
to that. There'll probably be some more adjustments, probably Medicaid, Medicare.
I'm not for any cuts, but I am for reform.
Is there enough reform in there? Are the work requirements
as they've got it structured as we speak for medicaid
work requirements, which I think everybody's for everybody is Republican.
(22:26):
The problem is the work requirements don't start for about
three or four years. What are we waiting for. I mean,
we've got to get it done and get it over
with and get people back to work and get people
in a situation where where we can cut back on
the money that's spent the people that shouldn't be getting.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
On medicaid and medicare.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
So at the end of the day, we'll look at
it starting on Monday, we'll go through it line by line,
try to make it the best we possibly can. We
want President Trump to have his bill, have it done soon,
But that's a problem when we put everything in one bill.
If we'd done two separate bills, it would have been
a lot different. We could have done the tax version,
(23:06):
got it out of the way already, and then we
could have done everything else at this point and would
have been.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Less of a problem.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
But when you put it all together, we all knew
it was going to be this situation.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But eventually it will get done.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It will get done. That's certainly good news. Why do
you think they didn't do the two bills? Is this
just all because of the super narrow margin on the
House side, in particular, that there was no leeway to
change some of the structure here. Because I can understand
given all the political capital the Trump has, and that
there's a Democrat opposition that feels like it's barely even
(23:46):
relevant in the conversation these days. I know they still
have a lot of votes. I know there are a
lot of Democrats out there, but they're not finding effective
ways to oppose the Trump agenda. I feel like there's
a bit of concern that this is the best moment,
and this moment isn't being used to it's fullest to
put us on sound fiscal footing.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Yeah, first of all, the Democrats are trying to block
everything that we're doing, trying to slow anything they possibly
can down and toward in terms of nominations or any
kind of bill like this. They're trying to throw a
kink into the wheel, try to put a nail in
the tire and slow us all down. But the end
of the day, if you look at it, the people
that actually the ones are supposed to be thrown up
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the budget is the House. The House is a very
slim margin. They're the one that marketed this to President Trump.
This is how we want to do it. This is
the process of which we can get it through the House.
And then the Senate has a few more votes to
where they can work with I understand that. But by
doing that, this thing is maybe the biggest bill in
(24:48):
the history of bills, and so it's got more things
in there, more moving parts, and so it just takes longer.
But again, we're going to get this done for the president.
He needs it, he deserves it, He's worked at it.
The House may have to take it back and readjust
some things after we'd finish it with it, and the
bird rule the parliamentarian so it doesn't cut enough money.
(25:12):
At the end of the day, President Trump knows that
one point five tree which is only one hundred and
fifty b in a year.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
For ten years. This is a ten year bill.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
It's he's even said this, We've got to cut back
on spending and we've got to grow the country. He's
going to grow the country by tariffing people all over
the world to get manufacturing back. I get a visitor
two a week in my office in d C about
manufacturing companies want to come back to the state of Alabama,
which is great. But the end of the day, we
(25:41):
have to cut back on this enormous spending. Two treeion
dollars more a year than what the American taxpayer send in.
We can't physically put two and two together make any
of this work unless we cut back a little bit
more of what the Republicans have in there now in
terms of the bill coming from the House.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Speaking to Senator Tommy Tubberville and Senator you announced yesterday
on my friend Will Caine's show that you were running
for governor in the great state of Alabama. What's leading
to that transition in your political future? And also let's
get into some of what I think of Alabama, Like,
(26:24):
you don't have the problems in Alabama that they do
in places like California when it comes to Democrats being
in charge, right, So I'd be very curious on what
the agenda is that you would want to pursue as
the governor.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Yeah, Alabama is a huge Donald Trump state and I
ran I was going to run for governor seventy nine
years ago when President Trump first got in, but.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We had a.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Governor Ivy had just gone in. I said, now, I'm
not going to do that, and President Trump encouraged me
to run for the Senate and I did and we
won pretty hand lee on the backs of President Trump,
and we've been up and it's probably good. I've learned
a lot, I've met a lot of people. It's all
about contacts. It's like coaching, the same thing coaching, it's
all about contacts and knowing people. Same thing in politics.
(27:12):
Then President Trump in his agenda, he is pushing and
changing things in d C and moving more money and
power back to the states. Now I'll be with President
Trump another year and a half, and after that point,
hopefully I can win this governorship where I can move
into the governor's role here in the state of Alabama
(27:32):
and take that power in the money that he's going
to send back to the states to help make Alabama
a better place to live, a better place to work,
and a better place to raise a family. So I
think it's all working out perfectly time wise. But again,
we've got a lot of work to do, and I'll
spend ninety percent of my time in DC working towards
(27:53):
President Trump's agenda for the next year and a half.
After that point, we will really know the structure of
what he's going to be able to get done with
this this Congress, and hopefully we can we can maintain
the House and the Senate along with the White House
in the next Congress, So uh, I'm looking forward to it.
It's it'd be a challenge. I'll have to worry. I
don't mind campaigning, I really like it. But we need
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to continue the same values.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
In education and.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
And immigration and law abiding citizens as what President Trump
is trying to push all over the country.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Senator Tuberville. The team has pointed out that it is
only right, It is only fair that I tell Clay
this time, if I join him on the road during
football season, that I go see the illustrious Auburn Tigers.
Is what is the best should Should I go see
Auburn against Alabama? That would mean I'm three for three
at Alabama games. But we know the Auburn Tigers will
(28:49):
of course emerge h emerge victorious in that? Is that
the best game? Because I could pretty much go to
any game.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Well, it's one of the best games in the country
all year long. I don't care whether college or high
school or NFL is the is.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
The Iron Bowl?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
As much going on around the stadium and before the game,
then what happens during the game. And there's so much
riding on it for in state rival but you know,
we have l s U and and other teams that
come to Auburn, but you can't miss any SEC game
across the South is always great to watch. I've been
(29:23):
involved in many of them when I was at Ole Miss,
and same same at Auburn. I've been a lot of
Alabama games in the last few years. I went with
President Trump a couple of times. Uh. They're all fun.
And that's the reason that I'm really fighting hard to
try to solve this NIL problem because the thing that
makes college football great, especially in the SEC, is the
(29:43):
fan base and the enthusiasm, and we do not want
to lose that when it comes to college sports, and
NIL has an opportunity to upset that apple cart.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
If we don't get some answers to it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
How do you fix that? The name and likeness is
how do you fix that?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Well, Moneys Moneys is the cats out of the bag.
I don't mind kids making money, but we got we
got to have some structure. There's no structure to contracts.
There's no structure. You cannot allow men or women to
transfer every year for twenty five one hundred thousand dollars
just because of money. It's about education. And again, if
you come to a place and you come from money, fine,
(30:24):
but you've got to work towards an education and you
can't every year shop yourself around for more money. That's
not what this should be all about. And again, players
should make money. There should be revenue sharing. Ncuba dropped
the ball on that. But at the end of the day,
we have got to put some slid validity to this
because there's going to be donor fatigue coming up because
(30:47):
if we can't, how these schools are spending twenty thirty
forty million dollars a year on their teams and that's
not going to last. And again, as I said earlier,
the number one thing that makes college sports, it's basically
football in the South's popular, is a fan base and
the fans aren't gonna put up with it. You're going
to start losing season ticket sales. And every year you
(31:07):
go to a game, now you don't know who's on
the team.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
There's no loyalty.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Senator Tropaville, appreciate you being with us, sir, All.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right, Buck, thank you. Have a great day.
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(33:02):
every day are invaluable. Make it more fun for me,
make it more fun for Clay. Uh and yeah, let's
do that. Let's get some of your calls now. Lines
lit Paul in West Virginia. What's going on, Paul?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Well, Hey, first of all, I'm glad you're getting better,
and thank you guys. You're doing an awesome job, doing
an awesome job on the big beautiful bill. The Senator
mentioned it twice that it's a parliamentarian thing, and people
don't their eyes glaze over when you start talking about
that stuff. Everything everybody wants they can't have to include
(33:37):
Elon Musk. He even made that mistake. They can't put
that stuff in this bill because if they do, they'll
need to get sixty votes in the Senate instead of
just fifty.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is what Trump is saying, is like, this is
the best we could do with the Congress we have.
You know, I remember, thank you for calling in, Paul.
Remember that old you know, I like this quote, the
old Rumsfeld to war with the army you have. And
people got to try to make that into a big scandal.
First of all, he was talking, you know, whatever you
think about Rumsfield. He was saying a whole bunch of things.
(34:10):
And then that was one line in a much bigger
context of we're trying to you know, trying to get
this upgraded and move on that and do these other things.
But it is true you go to war with the
army you have. I mean that is there's no other
way to go to war, Like there's no other army.
So I think you go to pass a law with
the Congress you have. You try to get a bill
pass with the Congress you have, and if they're not
(34:31):
willing to budge on these issues, I mean, then you
just get into do you want to have everything just
not get done because you know you're letting the perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
To the enemy of the good.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Uh Ben in Eliza Ohio? Is that what you say it?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Ben?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Light UPO.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, Bega did a long time listener, very long time
listener to the e IP network the beginning of the Yeah,
at the beginning of the last hour. Here you were
talking about what other people understand or believe that animals
or dogs know that you're sick. And a quick story
back in twenty and eighteen, prior to my wife's diagnosis
(35:15):
with breast cancer, we had a carrier. He is a
part fox Arry, part tact Russell carrier that every time
he'd get near he would work his way up to
her left side of her chest every single time, and
it actually got to the point it was annoying her.
But a few short weeks later she found a lump,
(35:35):
was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she's doing wonderful. She
went through all the treatment. She's doing great, past of
five years, healthy as to be sassy as ever. It's
the way we want her. But to go back to
the thought about our animals, we need to pay attention
to them. They know these things and they're telling us
we could have got a pretty good jump start on treatment,
and maybe the treatments wouldn't have had to have been
(35:57):
so bad if we would have paid attention to that. Oh,
that was telling us something will draw well.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ben, I'm I'm glad. You're glad to hear your wife
is doing doing really well and also that you really
appreciate your your pooch, your dog. Uh, They're They're incredible.
I think they're like furry little angels. I think dogs
are the best. And you know, when you're sick, man,
they really they can really come through for you. You know,
when you're sick and your dog is being your buddy
when you really need it, when you're really sick too.
(36:24):
I mean I've been for a couple of days. I
really appreciated the dog. So yeah, Wow, Tomorrow Stursday, we're
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Two guys play, Yeah, he's out next week too, So
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C's gonna be like Friday, June sixth. There you go.
And yeah, so we we got a lot of time
together team, which is good. And I'm glad that I am.
I'm glad that I'm on the mend. I will have
(00:40):
to tell you this that if some of you follow
me an ax, you saw this, but Ginger, who I
did not, I was not a Sometimes my wife is
listening to the show, so always have to remember that
there's like a few million of you and then my
wife too, So I have to be, you know, on
like really good behavior when I talk about dogs, because
I grew up, I grew up I was kind of
(01:01):
a bulldog guy. I'm just gonna tell you true. I
was a bulldog guy. I love English bulldog, French bulldog,
any squash, you know, the squishy face. Not not really
so much into the chow chouse. I'm sorry. I know
some people love the chaw They can be a little
little bit of biers. I love all dogs though, as
you know, beautiful dogs. I love all dogs. And uh,
(01:23):
I wasn't really a doodle guy. And my wife goes, no, no, no.
You know her family they got it's like a doodle sanctuary.
They got doodles, oodles of doodles in my for my
in laws, they got doodles everywhere. And so I said,
all right, fine, so honey, you know, happy wife, happy life.
Uh you know, we've been married a year. You want
let's get Let's get exactly the dog you want. I
love that silly, little fluffy dog so much. I don't
(01:44):
want to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
She's great Australian labradoodle. And when I was sick, she
would come. She never does this. She would come and
she would lie in the doorway of the of the
guest bedroom that we have, which is gonna eventually be
the baby's room. But I would lie in the door.
She would lie in the doorway just kind of a
(02:06):
little vigil just keeping me company. And uh yeah, it's
just amazing. I and people say, oh, do you really
think dogs know when you're sick. Yeah, they absolutely know. Uh,
dogs know a lot more about what's going on with us.
Just because they can't communicate in English or in any
language of that matter down here in Miami. It might
be Spanish, whatever, it doesn't matter. In whatever language that
(02:28):
they would be communicating with us, they have They have
an incredible not just I think, kind of intuition about
their owners to spend so much time and are so
focused on you. They can their sense of smell is
it is truly superhuman in the sense that it is
thousands of times more powerful than what we have. Dogs
(02:49):
have been trained to be able to smell cancer. Uh dog,
it's it's I think they're now training dogs smell fentanyl
at the border, which is also very useful. But anyway,
I just this this little dogs. She was so great
and it was really helpful because also dogs can't get neurovirus,
so I could be like, come here, you know, you
can be close. It's okay, Daddy's gonna be all right.
(03:11):
He thinks if he could chug some of this pedia
light anyway, the dog dogs are great, and those of
your dog owners, you know, and when you're really sick, man,
and the dog crawls up on the bed and you
have like everyone has to stay away from you, but
the dog is there for you. And I know for
some of you it's your cats. Maybe for some of
you it's your donkeys. I'm seeing miniature donkeys more and
(03:33):
more as pets. I do love that idea. I don't
think it would go over well with my condo association,
but I do think that donkeys would be a lot
of fun. Donkeys are very, very attuned to humans, very affectionate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I've always found horses. I know some of you're gonna
be big horse people. I've always found horses like a
little sometimes can feel a little aloof Maybe I just
don't know horses very well. Donkeys they come over, they
want to sit in your lap. I mean, it's just
it's a totally different deal. All right, big beautiful Bill,
let's get into some of this first hour. We talked
about how Elon is a little frustrated with where it's
going with the Doge team. And look, I think that
(04:09):
no matter what, the Doge team has done a huge
service just in telling us all about the kinds of
wasteful spending and the amount of just nonsense that's going
on with these payments. But we still come back to,
like a lot of things, will Congress do anything about it?
(04:30):
We're seeing where the limits of executive power are. I think,
in some ways the artificial limits, because a lot of
what's being done to rain Trump in is just it's
purely partisan in nature. It's not, Oh, this is really
about where executive power constitutionally stops and starts. There are
judges who are just anti Trump loans and they want
(04:51):
to stop whatever it is that Trump is doing. Right,
We've seen that, that's obvious, and they're gonna have to
keep working through the courts on that. Yeah, Trump the tyrant.
He's always like, yeah, oh okay, I'll see you in court.
You know, we'll make the best arguments and we'll see
how this goes. It's not what tyrants do, as you
know and I know. But anyway, I think that Trump
(05:11):
is in a position right now where he has the
most political capital he has ever had and the most
ability to change things. But Congress is a big part
of the equation, and so the limits of what can
be accomplished here when it comes to this bill, the
(05:33):
limits are in many ways, I think, just self enforced
by Congress. And it does get me to this place of,
you know, eventually somebody is gonna and I'm not saying, oh,
Trump's we should get rid of the filibuster now because
our guy's in charge, because I know, you know, this
has been holding out for a while, and I think
eventually it is going to go, because eventually people will
(05:54):
tire of it. It might take a crisis, maybe even
the kind of fiscal crisis that we're heading toward by
not actually dealing with the debt, because we're not dealing
with the debt. We're just not. I wish I could
tell you we are. I think a lot of what's
going to happen in this economy in this bill is
going to be great, and I'm very optimistic. But I'm
very optimistic about the next year, the next four years.
(06:17):
Am I optimistic about where what this looks like in
ten years, twenty years, And that's really the question. And
because of the structure and the nature of our political cycles,
It's very hard to get anything done based on no
matter how much of a certainty it is, anything done
based on how much of a certainty catastrophe is ten
(06:38):
years from now. I tell you in American politics that
we are heading toward catastrophe in ten years. Nobody cares.
I tell you what's happening in ten days. Maybe people
pay attention. Ten months, probably ten years. Nope, can't do it,
can't do Oh, things will change, We'll figure it out.
And you know, we've had Ron Johnson on the show
from the Senate to talk about this, and he's a
(07:00):
big Trump supporter, as you know, supports the agenda, and
he still has his concerns. Now it's got to go
through the Senate side of things. Is you know, the
House is what when? When is the House on a
summer vacation? The House and the like public school teachers,
they get a lot of time off Ron Johnson. This
is cut too. Here he is saying from the Senate
(07:22):
side of things, he's got concerns. Play it so you
will vote to raise the debt ceiling if in fact
you get these spending cuts that you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Absolutely all I've asked for is a commitment to a
pre pandemic bubble spending and a process to achieve and
maintain it. We've never had a process to control spending.
Don't have a Bow's budget requirement. The Corporation committees didn't work,
Budget Act didn't work, simp and bulls didn't work. The
only thing I can.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
See is a very business versus approach.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Line by line exposed the grotesque waste in the fraud
and abuse.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
This will be a five.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Minute conversation in a business So, guys, I told you
could increase your budget based on inflation and the number
of cups from a HISS reserved your attempt said above
that cut it. We need President Trump to lead on this.
He needs to be fully committed to not funding the
deep state at President Binds levels.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He seems very set on this. Senator Ram Paul has
been with us on this too, and he's also very
supportive overall of a lot of you know, supportive of
the tax cut, supportive of many of the of the
primary components of this bill. And you know it comes
down to and Trump said this during the live press
conference today, just politics man, to get these Republicans to
(08:34):
vote for it, to get to get all the good things,
we've got to get some things in there that we
don't like as much. That's really what everyone's just saying
right now. That's where it is. There's I don't think
there's really much of a fight over what the good
things are on the bill or what the long term
projections on the bill may be. Here's Stephen Miller explaining
(08:58):
on a process level some of what's going on here.
He put this out on X. DOGE cuts are two
discretionary spending, he writes, like the federal bureaucracy, under the
Senate budget rules, you cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory
spending in a reconciliation bill, so DOGE cuts would have
(09:18):
to be done through what is known as a recision
package or an appropriations bill. The Big Beautiful Bill is
not an annual budget bill and does not fund the
Department of Government. It does not finance our agencies or
federal programs. Instead, it includes the single largest welfare reform
in American history, along with the largest tax cut and
(09:41):
reform in American history, the most aggressive energy exploration in
American history, and the strongest border bill in American history,
all while reducing the deficit. Now, I know Steven Miller
well enough to know that everything that he's written here
is true. I think you can take this to the bank.
(10:02):
The challenge here in all of this is that it's
all true, but there's also there's also the reality of, well,
even if this is all accurate, reducing a deficit when
you have a thirty seven or thirty six trillion dollar
debt and you still have a trillion plus deficit yearly
(10:26):
is not enough. If I told you, you know, if
it was one of those shows you call in You're like, hey,
you know, my wife and I have five thousand dollars
in the bank and we want to go on a
fifty thousand dollars vacation and I'm afraid I might lose
my job next week. We have no savings and we
have a huge mortgage on the house. It's like, no,
don't do that. Bad that's a bad idea. I mean,
(10:47):
I know I can do this too, Don't do that.
That's a bad idea. If you are thirty six trillion
dollars is a nation in debt, and you are looking
at spending a trillion dollars plus a year beyond what
you are currently you know, beyond the current death that
you have. That's what the deficit is, what the shortfall
(11:08):
is annually. The dead is the whole thing put together
that we and like I've said before, the Tea Party
was the Tea Party was doing their thing at like
ten trillion or something. Wasn't that long ago ten trillion
and that was oh my gosh, And now it's thirty
five trillion.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The math here is the math. The math is a problem.
So if we can't get Trump to do the kinds
of things that might seem painful and with that maybe transformative,
I don't know who would be in a I don't
know who's going to be in a better position. Certainly
from the Republican side of things. Democrats will spend us
(11:49):
into oblivion. I have no doubt, there is no question
a by my Democrats. They will spend us into oblivion.
And they figure, well, as long as that then the
government's more in charge because the currency is debased and
they're gonna print money, and the government's going to be
even more involved in you know, they're gonna they're gonna
ruin private industry, They're gonna crowd out private expenditures. You're
(12:11):
gonna all this stuff. They they are fine with it.
The Democrats aren't gonna tackle this at all. We know
that it's up to the Republicans to be the adults
in the room and start to say, you know, enough
is enough. But you know, it's like telling somebody it's
time to go on a diet, and let me tell you,
I know about this first month of the diet. It's
not fun. First month of the diet. You're like, you
(12:32):
know what tastes really good right now?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Cheese cake? Cheese cake is good.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know what doesn't taste as good when you're used
to eating a lot of cheesecake, lean, ground turkey, no fat.
You know, ninetylean or one hundred percent lean doesn't taste
as good. But you know what, it's important. It's important
if you want to lead a long, healthy life to
get to the place you need to be metabolically. And
(13:01):
same thing with the country, same thing with our debt.
It is all about whether we're willing to make the
changes and tackle the issues now before they are crises.
And increasingly, what I see, and I've said it you before,
I don't think we are and I wish I could
come up with you know, come up with a happy
(13:23):
way of putting this. But we're and I say we
it's not even about Trump. It's more than about Trump
and this administration. We the American people don't want to
do it, or at least a majority of us who
vote don't want to do it. No interest in it.
Can't touch entitlements, can't change automatic spending. Think about that,
(13:43):
automatic spending. Can't touch automatic spending. Well, if it's automatic,
guess what this is where it's gonna go. It's gonna
get worse. Now we can talk about some of the
great things. Like I said, I think the next year,
I think the economy is gonna boom. It's gonna be fantastic.
But now is our chance to deal with things in
a way that'll put us on better footing for ten
years from now and for our kids and our grandkids
(14:04):
and for those of you who have them. Great gang, yeah,
great grandkids. Now is the time to make those decisions.
Are we doing that? I think that's a tougher case
to make, but I'm open to it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
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the lines? Are you happy with the big beautiful bill?
Where are you on this one I want to hear
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We got Tim in California wants to weigh in on
the big beautiful bill. What's going on? Tim? Y'all, haddie, howdy.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
You called us?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Hey, I just weren't say.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I think Trump's get letting himself get led around again
by his nose. He should have never went for a
big beautiful bill. He should have took all these little bills,
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax
on social Security, and made the Democrats vote up and
down on those bills so people could see where they stand.
If he'd got the win, and he'd had three wins
(16:29):
under his belt, and if they wouldn't, if the Democrats
voted it down, then they'd had three losses. But for
some reason, he allowed himself to get suckered into this
big beautiful bill deal, and it's just gonna blow up
in our face.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Thanks for calling in. Sim I think Trump knows what's
going on here. I don't think he's being suckered in
my sense is that Trump feels that the only way
he can get the really good things in there, this
is the art of the possible, which I know for
a lot of people, you hear that in politics and
it's kind of induces a bit of a cringe. But
the art of the possible, because there are some Republican
(17:06):
members who just wouldn't I'm talking about that in the
House and the Senate. They just won't do it. They
won't do it unless they unless you have some of
the stuff in there. That's what Trump was saying that
in the press conference. If people can take that or
leave it. But I do think it's it's quite clear
that the we have not seen the cuts that we
want to see yet to even on the Doge side
(17:28):
of things. I mean, that's admitted, right. Okay, So if
we need a recisions package, where's the recisions package?
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Maybe it's gonna show up at some time sometime soon.
But yeah, we've got let me see, you've got the
five week recess starts in August. There's a week long
recess in Congress. Think a lot of days, a lot
of days off. It's not a bad gig. His ra
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from the great State of Alabama, also Coach Tubberville and Center.
(19:02):
Appreciate you making the time for us. Clay is out.
So you've got a sports SEC football novice with you
on the radio today. But we can talk some politics
if you're cool with that.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
I'm good with anything, especially especially the sports part in
the SEC. I'm pretty well versed in that, as you
will know, Bud.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Well, you know somehow. You know Clay's not here to
explain themself on this one. But of the two college
football games that I have ever gone to see, two
of them both had Alabama in them. I am just
saying that that is the thing that happens. So you
have to take that up. You have to take that
up with Clay. So let's dive into to First of all,
(19:43):
I know you're running for governor, which is very exciting.
I want to talk to you about that. But tell
me this the Senate package or the Senate part of
the big beautiful bill. What are your feelings on this
because there are people who are It's one thing when
the people who don't like Trump don't like something Trump does,
they don't like anything he does. Right as he said
(20:03):
he could cure cancer, that all of a sudden they'd
be pro cancer but there are people who are very
pro Trump, including on the Senate side, who were saying,
you know what this is, this is something that should
be let's say, tinkered with a little bit on the
cutting side.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
What do you say, yeah, one hundred percent, it's gonna
be some adjustments. It never was gonna happen to where
the House did their version. They sent it over and
we were just gonna rubber stamp it. That's not gonna happen.
First of all, we have what we call the Bird
rule and has go the Parliamentarian anything that comes into
this package, and some of it probably won't pass up
(20:41):
through the Bird rule, and any changes, if there's one change.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
At all, has to go back to the House.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Uh. There's several things that other people are very concerned about.
One that I'm concerned about is we did not do
away with to me enough of the Green New Deal
giveaways through their Inflace Reduction Act. That line of the world.
Would we continue to give money away when we shouldn't. Again,
that has they'll probably have to be adjusted in some
(21:08):
form or fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What what is in there on that on that specific
because I've seen the people say the Green New Deal
giveaway is it just a lot of money that the
Democrats set up in the covid era that goes to
wind farms or well what what what is the giveaway
part of it?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Solar farms subsidies, rebates, same thing with wind farms rebates.
Also with EV cars rebates, and you know any other
car we all and I don't have an electric car.
I paid full price and as so do many many,
(21:45):
many other people in this country will continue to push
the EV car. And now I'm fine with EV car,
but at the end of the day, we're gonna have
to get on the same page with this, along with
the gas burning cars and if you want whatever, whichever
one we won't find. But the government shouldn't have to
pay any of that. So there should be an adjustment
(22:05):
to that. There'll probably be some more adjustments, probably Medicaid, Medicare.
I'm not for any cuts, but I am for reform.
Is there enough reform in there? Are the work requirements
as they've got it structured as we speak for medicaid
work requirements, which I think everybody's for everybody is Republican.
(22:26):
The problem is the work requirements don't start for about
three or four years. What are we waiting for. I mean,
we've got to get it done and get it over
with and get people back to work and get people
in a situation where where we can cut back on
the money that's spent the people that shouldn't be getting.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
On medicaid and medicare.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
So at the end of the day, we'll look at
it starting on Monday, we'll go through it line by line,
try to make it the best we possibly can. We
want President Trump to have his bill, have it done soon,
But that's a problem when we put everything in one bill.
If we'd done two separate bills, it would have been
a lot different. We could have done the tax version,
(23:06):
got it out of the way already, and then we
could have done everything else at this point and would
have been.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Less of a problem.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
But when you put it all together, we all knew
it was going to be this situation.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But eventually it will get done.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It will get done. That's certainly good news. Why do
you think they didn't do the two bills? Is this
just all because of the super narrow margin on the
House side, in particular, that there was no leeway to
change some of the structure here. Because I can understand
given all the political capital the Trump has, and that
there's a Democrat opposition that feels like it's barely even
(23:46):
relevant in the conversation these days. I know they still
have a lot of votes. I know there are a
lot of Democrats out there, but they're not finding effective
ways to oppose the Trump agenda. I feel like there's
a bit of concern that this is the best moment,
and this moment isn't being used to it's fullest to
put us on sound fiscal footing.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Yeah, first of all, the Democrats are trying to block
everything that we're doing, trying to slow anything they possibly
can down and toward in terms of nominations or any
kind of bill like this. They're trying to throw a
kink into the wheel, try to put a nail in
the tire and slow us all down. But the end
of the day, if you look at it, the people
that actually the ones are supposed to be thrown up
(24:26):
the budget is the House. The House is a very
slim margin. They're the one that marketed this to President Trump.
This is how we want to do it. This is
the process of which we can get it through the House.
And then the Senate has a few more votes to
where they can work with I understand that. But by
doing that, this thing is maybe the biggest bill in
(24:48):
the history of bills, and so it's got more things
in there, more moving parts, and so it just takes longer.
But again, we're going to get this done for the president.
He needs it, he deserves it, He's worked at it.
The House may have to take it back and readjust
some things after we'd finish it with it, and the
bird rule the parliamentarian so it doesn't cut enough money.
(25:12):
At the end of the day, President Trump knows that
one point five tree which is only one hundred and
fifty b in a year.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
For ten years. This is a ten year bill.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
It's he's even said this, We've got to cut back
on spending and we've got to grow the country. He's
going to grow the country by tariffing people all over
the world to get manufacturing back. I get a visitor
two a week in my office in d C about
manufacturing companies want to come back to the state of Alabama,
which is great. But the end of the day, we
(25:41):
have to cut back on this enormous spending. Two treeion
dollars more a year than what the American taxpayer send in.
We can't physically put two and two together make any
of this work unless we cut back a little bit
more of what the Republicans have in there now in
terms of the bill coming from the House.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Speaking to Senator Tommy Tubberville and Senator you announced yesterday
on my friend Will Caine's show that you were running
for governor in the great state of Alabama. What's leading
to that transition in your political future? And also let's
get into some of what I think of Alabama, Like,
(26:24):
you don't have the problems in Alabama that they do
in places like California when it comes to Democrats being
in charge, right, So I'd be very curious on what
the agenda is that you would want to pursue as
the governor.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Yeah, Alabama is a huge Donald Trump state and I
ran I was going to run for governor seventy nine
years ago when President Trump first got in, but.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We had a.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Governor Ivy had just gone in. I said, now, I'm
not going to do that, and President Trump encouraged me
to run for the Senate and I did and we
won pretty hand lee on the backs of President Trump,
and we've been up and it's probably good. I've learned
a lot, I've met a lot of people. It's all
about contacts. It's like coaching, the same thing coaching, it's
all about contacts and knowing people. Same thing in politics.
(27:12):
Then President Trump in his agenda, he is pushing and
changing things in d C and moving more money and
power back to the states. Now I'll be with President
Trump another year and a half, and after that point,
hopefully I can win this governorship where I can move
into the governor's role here in the state of Alabama
(27:32):
and take that power in the money that he's going
to send back to the states to help make Alabama
a better place to live, a better place to work,
and a better place to raise a family. So I
think it's all working out perfectly time wise. But again,
we've got a lot of work to do, and I'll
spend ninety percent of my time in DC working towards
(27:53):
President Trump's agenda for the next year and a half.
After that point, we will really know the structure of
what he's going to be able to get done with
this this Congress, and hopefully we can we can maintain
the House and the Senate along with the White House
in the next Congress, So uh, I'm looking forward to it.
It's it'd be a challenge. I'll have to worry. I
don't mind campaigning, I really like it. But we need
(28:16):
to continue the same values.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
In education and.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
And immigration and law abiding citizens as what President Trump
is trying to push all over the country.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Senator Tuberville. The team has pointed out that it is
only right, It is only fair that I tell Clay
this time, if I join him on the road during
football season, that I go see the illustrious Auburn Tigers.
Is what is the best should Should I go see
Auburn against Alabama? That would mean I'm three for three
at Alabama games. But we know the Auburn Tigers will
(28:49):
of course emerge h emerge victorious in that? Is that
the best game? Because I could pretty much go to
any game.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Well, it's one of the best games in the country
all year long. I don't care whether college or high
school or NFL is the is.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
The Iron Bowl?
Speaker 7 (29:03):
As much going on around the stadium and before the game,
then what happens during the game. And there's so much
riding on it for in state rival but you know,
we have l s U and and other teams that
come to Auburn, but you can't miss any SEC game
across the South is always great to watch. I've been
(29:23):
involved in many of them when I was at Ole Miss,
and same same at Auburn. I've been a lot of
Alabama games in the last few years. I went with
President Trump a couple of times. Uh. They're all fun.
And that's the reason that I'm really fighting hard to
try to solve this NIL problem because the thing that
makes college football great, especially in the SEC, is the
(29:43):
fan base and the enthusiasm, and we do not want
to lose that when it comes to college sports, and
NIL has an opportunity to upset that apple cart.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
If we don't get some answers to it.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
How do you fix that? The name and likeness is
how do you fix that?
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Well, Moneys Moneys is the cats out of the bag.
I don't mind kids making money, but we got we
got to have some structure. There's no structure to contracts.
There's no structure. You cannot allow men or women to
transfer every year for twenty five one hundred thousand dollars
just because of money. It's about education. And again, if
you come to a place and you come from money, fine,
(30:24):
but you've got to work towards an education and you
can't every year shop yourself around for more money. That's
not what this should be all about. And again, players
should make money. There should be revenue sharing. Ncuba dropped
the ball on that. But at the end of the day,
we have got to put some slid validity to this
because there's going to be donor fatigue coming up because
(30:47):
if we can't, how these schools are spending twenty thirty
forty million dollars a year on their teams and that's
not going to last. And again, as I said earlier,
the number one thing that makes college sports, it's basically
football in the South's popular, is a fan base and
the fans aren't gonna put up with it. You're going
to start losing season ticket sales. And every year you
(31:07):
go to a game, now you don't know who's on
the team.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
There's no loyalty.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Senator Tropaville, appreciate you being with us, sir, All.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right, Buck, thank you. Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
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(33:02):
every day are invaluable. Make it more fun for me,
make it more fun for Clay. Uh and yeah, let's
do that. Let's get some of your calls now. Lines
lit Paul in West Virginia. What's going on, Paul?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Well, Hey, first of all, I'm glad you're getting better,
and thank you guys. You're doing an awesome job, doing
an awesome job on the big beautiful bill. The Senator
mentioned it twice that it's a parliamentarian thing, and people
don't their eyes glaze over when you start talking about
that stuff. Everything everybody wants they can't have to include
(33:37):
Elon Musk. He even made that mistake. They can't put
that stuff in this bill because if they do, they'll
need to get sixty votes in the Senate instead of
just fifty.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is what Trump is saying, is like, this is
the best we could do with the Congress we have.
You know, I remember, thank you for calling in, Paul.
Remember that old you know, I like this quote, the
old Rumsfeld to war with the army you have. And
people got to try to make that into a big scandal.
First of all, he was talking, you know, whatever you
think about Rumsfield. He was saying a whole bunch of things.
(34:10):
And then that was one line in a much bigger
context of we're trying to you know, trying to get
this upgraded and move on that and do these other things.
But it is true you go to war with the
army you have. I mean that is there's no other
way to go to war, Like there's no other army.
So I think you go to pass a law with
the Congress you have. You try to get a bill
pass with the Congress you have, and if they're not
(34:31):
willing to budge on these issues, I mean, then you
just get into do you want to have everything just
not get done because you know you're letting the perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
To the enemy of the good.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Uh Ben in Eliza Ohio? Is that what you say it?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Ben?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Light UPO.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, Bega did a long time listener, very long time
listener to the e IP network the beginning of the Yeah,
at the beginning of the last hour. Here you were
talking about what other people understand or believe that animals
or dogs know that you're sick. And a quick story
back in twenty and eighteen, prior to my wife's diagnosis
(35:15):
with breast cancer, we had a carrier. He is a
part fox Arry, part tact Russell carrier that every time
he'd get near he would work his way up to
her left side of her chest every single time, and
it actually got to the point it was annoying her.
But a few short weeks later she found a lump,
(35:35):
was diagnosed with breast cancer. And she's doing wonderful. She
went through all the treatment. She's doing great, past of
five years, healthy as to be sassy as ever. It's
the way we want her. But to go back to
the thought about our animals, we need to pay attention
to them. They know these things and they're telling us
we could have got a pretty good jump start on treatment,
and maybe the treatments wouldn't have had to have been
(35:57):
so bad if we would have paid attention to that. Oh,
that was telling us something will draw well.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ben, I'm I'm glad. You're glad to hear your wife
is doing doing really well and also that you really
appreciate your your pooch, your dog. Uh, They're They're incredible.
I think they're like furry little angels. I think dogs
are the best. And you know, when you're sick, man,
they really they can really come through for you. You know,
when you're sick and your dog is being your buddy
when you really need it, when you're really sick too.
(36:24):
I mean I've been for a couple of days. I
really appreciated the dog. So yeah, Wow, Tomorrow Stursday, we're
gonna have an awesome show, a big, beautiful show here
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