May 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Dr. Nicole Saphier, Fox News contributor and host of the newest C&B Podcast Network show, “Wellness Unmasked,” weighs in on former President Biden's cancer diagnosis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Third hour Clay and Buck kicks off now, and as promised,
we are joined by doctor Nicole Sapphire. She is the
host of Wellness Unmasked on the Clay and Buck podcast network.
You also know her as a Fox News contributor, and
she is an MD doctor, not a Jill Biden doctor.
So we're going to talk to about some medical stuff,
(00:24):
doctor Sapphire. Great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thanks so much guys for having me. Excited to be
on today.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's dive right into it. The big news from over
the weekend about Biden's diagnosis. Clay and I I think
have already established with everybody. Of course, we're all very
anti cancer. It is sad when anyone gets cancer. We
hope that you know, he is able to be successfully treated.
We're not talking about that beyond the news item of
its announcement. What is I think of public concern, and
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rightfully so is given that he was president, and given
that they have now admitted they hid effectively sinility from
the American public and they've now come forward with that,
we have questions. A lot of people have questions about
what the likelihood is that this diagnosis was also hidden
from the public based upon how a disease like this progresses.
(01:18):
What can you tell us as an MD.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, unfortunately, I think the last four years and how
there has just been obvious deception when it came to
Biden's cognitive decline and not being forthcoming with that has
a lot of people on edge right now and rightfully so,
I mean we you know, myself, I wrote articles, I
spoke publicly about I didn't believe that the former President
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Biden's doctors were forthcoming about his mental and physical fitness
at the time that he was in the White House.
The metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis that we just learned over
the weekend is devastating, and at this point it is
not about wishing him recovery or to be cancer free,
because once you have a stage four cancer diagnosis, you
(02:03):
don't ever get rid of that. The best we can
hope for is to have no progression of disease. And
when you have metastatic disease to the bone, it is
incredibly painful. So I'm sure he's probably uncomfortable right now.
We even know that he presented because of symptoms and
not from routine screening. Now, I think some of the
big questions that a lot of us had is, you know,
is this something that they kept from the public. And
(02:24):
the answer is, well, we don't know, but we can
kind of talk through this a little bit. At the
age of eighty two, to be honest, not every eighty
two year old man is being screened for prostay cancer.
In fact, a lot of formal recommendations are that you
don't screen for prostay cancer and other cancers at this age.
But because of you have to take into many factors.
You know, what is their life expectancy, will they actually
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benefit from the treatment. But we do know that while
Biden was in the White House, because of his annual exams,
he was being screened for colon cancer with colonoscopies. He
was getting skin checked for skin cancer screenings. So therefore
we can assume that he was getting routine screenings. And
you would expect that from the President of the United States,
we would want to make sure we're catching all illness early.
(03:07):
So the assumption should be that he was probably being
screened for prostate cancer at least while he was in
the White House. They never mentioned whether or not he
was whether he had the physical exam checking for nodules
on the prostate, or whether they were screening him with
the common blood test, the PSA test, which people may
be hearing about. They never mentioned those. And interestingly, on
other physical exams President Trumps, even former President Obama, they
(03:30):
did mention when a PSA was drawn. They didn't mention
that in President Biden. Does that mean that they hid
it from us intentionally? No, not necessarily. You don't necessarily
you don't always tell people all the pertinent negatives of
the physical exam, But it is curious that they didn't
mention it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Do you think that this could be missed? So let's
just kind of take a step back. Let's pretend that
it's not Joe Biden we're talking about. There's an entire
medical team and apparatus that is surrounding the president every
minute of every day for the last four years.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Anything that is remotely wrong with him.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
He has a team of doctors the likes of which
basically doesn't exist for any other person in America. Do
you think it is possible that they could have completely
missed this cancer and that on Friday? This is I'm
just asking for your medical opinion, and then on Friday
they would suddenly come out and say, not only does
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he have cancer, but it's a stage four cancer that
has gotten to the point where it is now advanced
to being inside of his bone. Does that seem likely
to you as a doctor?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I can't tell you that cancers are missed and not
all cancers are. Not all prostate cancers are associated with
the rise in PSA, most of them are. Most of
them you'll have a high PSA, so if you are
screening for prostay cancer, you should pick up on that.
But not all of them are, so you can't say
one hundred percent of cancers are. Therefore, if he had
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a normal PSA, he didn't have cancer. That's not true.
It sounds like he presented with urinary symptoms. What is
that It could be urinary frequency pain, whatever, frequent urination,
and then that's where they found the hardened nodule. To
go from presenting with symptoms to a biopsy proven prostate
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cancer to now confirming metastatic disease, all in less than
a week's time, that's a stretch for me a little bit.
But I will say he is the former president, so
he doesn't get treated like the rest of us. He
probably gets accelerated scans and everything is being done for
him in the same day, and everything's being prioritized. So
is it possible. Absolutely, But they had a lot of
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information just for this to have happened in the last week,
specifically the type of cancer it was, the fact that
it's sensitive to hormones. I mean, these are extra tests
that we run on the pathology specimen, so usually it
takes several days to even over a week to get
all that information back. And the fact that again that
they are then they did the bone imaging. They didn't
say what they did or how they know that he
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has metastatic cancer to the bones, but they said he
had it. Is this an assumption because they did a
bone scan or a pet scan and they saw lesions
in the bone, or did it go as far to
actually confirming it by doing a bone biopsy, which again
would take even more time. We don't have all the information.
In fact, we have very little information. But what we
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do know is he has a very aggressive late stage
prostate cancer. It didn't just start in the last week.
It's probably been there for at least several months, maybe
several years, and it's an unfortunate, tragic situation for the
former president.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If you had been doctor Sapphire with us doctor Nicole
Safire now part of the Clay and Buck podcast network,
if you had been his lead physician, Like, let's just
pretend that it's not Joe himself, right, but you are
the White House lead physician, and six months after he
leaves your care after four years as you being his
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lead physician, would you feel like you had failed him
in some way for not picking up on this cancer?
Like as a doctor, would this be something where you thought, boy,
I could have done a better job. If this were
as they seem to be saying, the case that this
thing did not reveal itself until Friday, you had four
years to be around him virtually every day. Would you
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be kicking yourself for missing this.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The regret and wondering what you should have could have
done as a physician as something we live with every
single day. The White House physician is essentially the primary
care physician for the President of the United States. You
have to assume that they are doing every single screening
examination to make sure that they catch early signs of
any sort of illness, anything that could incapacitate the president.
(07:56):
The fact that several months after leaving the White House
was he diagnosed with prostate cancer, but a late stage
prostate cancer. Absolutely, as the primary care physician, I would
be saying to myself, what did I miss? Because this
isn't a rare cancer. Unfortunately, there are those cancers that
we don't screen for because they are more rare, like
a prostate cancer or a brain a primary brain tumor.
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We don't screen from them because they're not very common.
Prostate cancer is the second most common cancer in men,
secondary to skin cancer. So that is why we screen
men for prostate cancer. So again, if the White House
physician was screening for colon cancer and for skin cancer
and checking his cholesterol and everything else he was doing,
I have to assume he was screening for prostate cancer.
(08:40):
So the big question for me is did they intentionally
omit those PSA results? Did they have an inclination? Was
there a diagnosis early on? The biggest thing for me
that I have the big concerns with is the fact
that they kept the cognitive decline that was very obvious.
That was deceitful because a cognitive of valuation should have
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been a part of that, and when people were questioning
his cognitive ability, that's when he should have been able
to do some of those mental status exams and make
them public. They didn't do that. That was intentional, that
was deceitful. When it comes to the prostate cancer, did
they do the same thing. I don't know. I'm less
convinced because I do see denovo cancers, especially aggressive ones
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like Gleason score nines, can happen very quickly and they
can mentasticize very quickly. So I am less inclined to
think that there is a massive cover up when it
came to prostate cancer, the same way that I feel
for the cognitive decline. But it's possible, and I think
that there our questions that we don't have the answers to.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Doctor staff art to that end the medical ethics here.
I'm curious about this. I feel like it would you know,
there's what's put forward for the public, and as we know,
there's information about this is not a normal thing, right
A president puts forward, you know, information that would be
hippoprotected or whatever or right, and that's just understood because
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it's a job that affects all of us, and so
the health of the president is in many ways public information.
But if you're the president's physician and the president said
and you say, hey, look I see something on this
PSA it's a little bit weird, and the President of
the United States says to the physician, the White House physician, Yeah,
I don't think we need to share this with anybody.
(10:23):
What are the medical ethics here, I mean, what how
does that play out?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
As you see?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, that's a great question medical legally, is a physician,
we are not supposed to speak publicly about someone's diagnoses
if it's our patient. Actually, ethically, we're not supposed to
really talk about their diagnosis, even if they're not our patient,
because we're not supposed to draw conclusions without having done
the work up. It is only a courtesy that they
show us these annual physical examinations. That is not you know,
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that is not a right that the Americans. I mean,
that's not in the law that they have to do that.
We just liked this on paper where says that our
presidents are mentally and physically fit to do the job.
It's a great thing, but really all it is is
a feel good thing, and absolutely things can be omitted again.
We saw it with President Biden for four years. Things
were admitted. We called it out on that and they
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didn't do anything about it. So if he had gotten
the diagnosis, and maybe his trips to Delaware were to
go for treatment, who knows what it was. Maybe that's
why he spent so much time up in Delaware. The
bottom line is, we don't know, And if President Biden
didn't want to disclose something, I don't think the White
House physician is medically legally obligated to do so. His
(11:34):
responsibility is to his patient. Yeah, I mean he has
to remember. Lloyd Austen, for Defense Secretary, also had prostay
cancer during the administration, and that was controversy as say,
he did not disclose it. That was disclosed inadvertently because
if you don't remember, he underwent surgery and then he
was in the hospital. But they didn't even they weren't
(11:54):
forthcoming with us. They didn't even want us to know
about that. We found out about that after the fact,
So I don't know. It felt like a lot of
things were being kept from the public with this last administration,
and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were kept.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What's the prognosis going forward so far as you can
tell based on what they announced yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, unfortunately, the two things that they really gave for
kind of worst case scenario when it comes to prostate cancer.
The glease and score of nine is how aggressive the
cancer is. That if you're looking at the cells under microscope,
that is scored on how many cells are there, how
active they are, how fast they're dividing, and it's scored
from two to ten, ten being the most aggressive too,
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being the least nine is considered very aggressive, very fast acting.
So this hasn't been lingering for seven to ten years,
as some people have been saying, absolutely not not with
a glease and score of nine, it's very fast acting.
So in that sense, it's worst case scenario, but also
stage four meaning that it's not only it's not just
in the prostate land, it's gone outside of the prostate land,
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and it's not even in the local pelvic lymph nodes.
It's gone farther out and in former President Biden's case,
in his bones. So worst case scenario, when does this
call early? If you have a less aggressive prostate cancer,
the five year survival approaches one hundred percent. I mean
that's why we screen, That's why we detect early, because
we have such a great survivability. Unfortunately, in the former
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President Biden's case, that survivability at five years is markedly decreased,
with numbers ranging between twenty five to thirty five percent
five year survival.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So the expectation would be that based on this diagnosis,
just to close out with you, there was been would
have been a strong likelihood that he might die in
office with this cancer if you were trying to serve
all the way until January of twenty nine, for instance.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, I think at the age of eighty two, just
he's already exceeding the expected life expectancy for an American man,
especially one with cardiovascular disease and a history of heart disease.
So I think the likelihood that he would have had
some sort of cardiac event in the next four years
as high, maybe a cardiovascular disease like a stroke event.
(14:08):
And now given the aggressive stage four prostate cancer and
with the treatments, I think it's highly likely that his
life expectancy, I'm not you know, is significantly decreased, and
another term under the presidency with that stress probably would
have exacerbated his decline.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Doctor Nicole Safire part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You do fabulous work.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We appreciate you making the time for us on short
notice and encourage people to go listen to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Thanks for having me on, guys, we're certainly going to
be covering it this week.
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everything surrounding the Biden diagnosis. I want to hit a
couple of different things here as well that have happened
(16:08):
in the last few hours.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Let me first do this one.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There has been a according to multiple reports, Ashley Babbitt,
the only person killed on January sixth, The Trump administration
has reached a wrongful death settlement with her estate and
her family's going to receive five million dollars. So that
report out there, Ashley Babbitt, the only person who actually
(16:35):
died on January sixth, shot by a Capitol Hill police officer,
there will be a five million dollar settlement paid out
to her estate a wrongful death lawsuit that her family
will receive also, and we probably need to dive into
this in greater detail. Trump spent two hours on the
(16:55):
phone with Vladimir Putin and he has posted how that
call went from his perspective, a little bit of a
synopsis of it. He says it went well, and he
expects ceasefire negotiations to now accelerate, and so we will
talk about that with you when we return as well.
(17:15):
But both of those news stories breaking in the last
thirty minutes or so, and we will fill you in
in greater detail here when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, my sense of where things are going with
you great is Trump is going to have to turn
the heat up on vlad to get him to I
think that's right faster. I don't think I think that.
You know, look, Lad is testing him. We knew this
would happen. We'll get back into this here.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
At a moment.
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A two four safe. All right, welcome back into Clay
and Buck. As we know, there was a call this
earlier this morning. Some news items to get today. We're
so stacked with news that we're trying to get through
as much which as we can without leaving out anything critical.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Here.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Isn't it cool to have a doctor in the Clay
and Buck Network. By the way, that was so good. Yeah,
He's like, really, you know, excellent doctor. Anyway, I wanted
to make sure we get you as much news as possible.
You look like you've got a breaking I can always
tell by Clay's face if there's a breaking news item
or if someone texted him something funny while I'm in
the which one is it? If we're breaking news or
(19:23):
is there a funny text? Well, I mean I think
it's a little bit of breaking news. And I was
trying to look this up because everything is.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
AI now and you and I are live on.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The air, and so if I see things that are funny,
I'm like, wait, is this really real? And it appears
that this is really real based on all the different
places being reported. I mean, it's a video. But Jade
Vance and his wife gave the new Pope Leo the fourteenth,
a Chicago Bears jersey with his name on it. So
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if you had had in the firmament stories that you
never expected to hear in your life, the Pope is
a big Chicago Bear fan. The American Pope is a
big Chicago Bear fan, and Vice President JD Vance just
gave him a Chicago Bears jersey with Pope Leo the
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fourteenth as the name on the jersey.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I would never have believed this was real, but.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This guy is evidently a big Chicago area sports fan,
and that video is out there and is pretty amazing,
So I was just kind of laughing. It's just kind
of a positive story amidst a lot of unfortunately negative stories. Man,
it's hard to have a serious, like discussion with a
cancer doctor about what's going on. So there's a big
swing there. Positive story. It's out on social media if
(20:47):
you want a little bit of a smile.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Dumb Bear's big team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And his number buck exactly dup as you can say
dupope right there is His number on the Bears jersey
is V one four so the Roman numeral for fourteenth is.
It is very funny anyway, So congratulations to the Bears.
Like this is we have the American Pope and he's
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gonna be sitting around wondering. We talked at Jay Feey
earlier whether or not the Bears are ever going to
win a Super Bowl again.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
All right, now, we're.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Gonna do another hard turn back to ending a war
and preventing escalation with the nuclear powers Russia, Ukraine, US.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
What's going on here? We have this was speaking of JD.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Vance, the vice president of Vance here this cut fourteen,
talking about what really matters. I mean, yes, having conversations
with Putin is one thing, but they want to see results.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Play it kil Look, the President's been very clear, this
is not the United States. Its not gonna spit its
wheels here. We want to see outcomes. And the first
major outcome that we wanted to see, which we were
claud about, is that we wanted the Russians of the Ukrainians.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
To put a real piece of prose on the table.
What would you need to do in order to stop
fighting that.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
The second thing is they need to agree to direct
talks with one another. Besides, hadn't talked in years. We
thought that was a disgrace that has now happened. But
now either the talks have been proceeding for a little while,
we realize there's a bit of an impass here. And
I think the President's going to say to President Putin, look,
are you serious?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Are you real about this? Because the proposal from the.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
United States has always been Look, there are a lot
of economic benefits to thawing relations between Russia and the
rest of the world. But you're not gonna get those benefits.
You can keep on killing a lot of innocent people.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Look, I think this is the right the right approach.
I think the administration is on task here and doing
what they can. And I also think that Putin, you know,
let's not let's not assume that he's some kind of
like Machiavelli and genius or anything international relations and negotiations.
If he, I think the easies way to put it.
(22:50):
If he ticks Trump off and Trump gets the sense
that Putin's playing games and making and trying to make
Trump look foolish on the world stage, he's now I'm
not saying, you know, obviously we're not going to land
the eighty second Airborn in Moscow. But Trump has mentioned
economic really turning up the economic heat and making things
(23:11):
increasingly uncomfortable for Vladimir Putin and Memberclay. There's what can
publicly be done and talked about, and there's also stuff
behind the scenes that can go on that can turn
up the heat against the Russians pretty dramatically. So we'll see.
I just if I was one of Putin's advisors. I
wouldn't test Trump, I wouldn't trifle with it.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, I think the.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Other question is, and we don't know. I mean, obviously
this is now the warm season where you're able to
advance more substantially. What land are they thinking that they're
going to get such that it is more advantageous to
them not to go into cease fire negotiations now? Because
I think the argument they're going to make is the
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border line is drawn based on where it is roughly
right now, and that they are getting these provinces that
they believe are a part of historical Russia more so
than they are Ukraine. But how much more are they
seeking to get right is the question that I think.
And to your point, Trump has actually been pretty aggressive
(24:14):
with Putin and for everybody out there who's tried to
claim for ten years now, oh Trump is a Russian asset.
I think some of the commentary that he's made about
Putin is is in many ways as aggressive or more
aggressive than what Joe Biden has said.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, I think that Trump's approach on this, you know,
I've just I've seen him. We've seen him operating for
a long time now, both as president as a leader
of the Republican Party during the Biden debacle administration. And
then just as somebody in private life who's been, you know,
involved in all kinds of private sector deals. And I
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think that Trump's approach to Putin, I get it. It's
all right, let's let's sit down as men of respect.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean, if you've seen the Sopranos, you've seen mobs movies,
you know, when the leaders of the two families sit down,
generally speaking, it's you know, okay, let's try it. Let's
try to avoid escalation here. Let's be deferential. You know,
you're doing good by your family. I'm doing good by
my family. Let's figure out our territory here kind of.
And I think that's Trump's approach, right, He wants he
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wants to create the opening for Putin to be reasonable.
I think Trump is very aware though, that Putin may
not be interested at all actually in a cease fire
or in and seeing this through. And here's jd vance
to that in this cut fifteen, saying, yeah, that's part
of what this is.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We're figuring out.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Does this guy just want to grind this war on
for years more because he thinks he'll get more play it.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Look, I think one open question is is Vladimir Putin
serious about negotiating peace? Right, He has made some concessions,
he has taken some serious steps in these conversations, but
we feel like, you know, we're at a point where
we're hittingn in past, and that's why the President is
talking to him on the phone. And I think there's
also just a little bit of Look, there's fundamental mistrust
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between Russia and the West. It's one of the things
the President thinks, this is frankly stupid, that that we
should be able to move beyond the mistakes that have
been made in the past.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
But that takes two to tank though.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I know the President's willing to do that, but if
RuSHA is not willing to do that, then we're eventually
just going to say this is not our war, it's
Joe Biden's war, it's Vladimir Putin's war, it's not our war.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Now, you know, they're they're looking at this with very
with very open eyes. Right, That's the part of it
that I think is is critical to take away from
this clay that there's not some oh, we know we're
dealing with somebody with Vladimir Putin, who's going to uh
make the decisions that seem logical or reasonable to us
under the circumstances. No Putin may want to see this
thing all the way through. It's not our war, as J.
(26:49):
D Van says. So maybe then there's more economic sanction.
Maybe there's more, you know, there's more that he does
diplomatically turn up the heat. But at least then we
can also stop ways our breath with there is if
there's no peace deal to be had. That's an important
bit of information to know at this stage of this war.
I also think this ties in with something we've talked
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about the last couple of weeks that I've seen almost
nobody else pointing out. The number one thing you could
do at this point in time to weakend Vladimir Putin
is what Trump is working to get done.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Lower the gas prices because so much and this, by
the way, works against Iran too. I was reading this morning.
You know how bad things have gotten in Iran for
energy buck They're now starting kids in school at six
am and ending school at one pm, and people are
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getting stranded in high rises all the time because they
can't keep the electricity on the Iranian government is crumbling economically,
and that's why I think Trump's visit to the UAE,
to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And to.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Katar was so destructive to internal support for Iranian government.
A lot of regular Iranians are looking around, say, wait
a minute. Trump just visited these three Middle Eastern countries
that are thriving, announced trillions of dollars in overall relationships
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on a commerce perspective, and we can't even get our
kids to school in normal hours because we don't have
the infrastructure to be able to produce the energy that
we need in this country. And so I think that
factors in the pressure on Putin grows because they're having
to sell their oil on a black market and they
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have to undercut whatever the larger price of oil and gas.
Everybody's missing this. That is actually a pretty strong move
that Trump has put in place. Now, the other thing here,
and I know you would think through this too. The
advantage Trump has is neither of these wars happened on
his watch. Nothing happened in Gaza on his watch, Ukraine
(29:00):
didn't get invaded on his watch. He is trying to
clean up the mess that Biden's weakness allowed to occur
on the global stage, and so his incentive structure isn't
He's not the guy who's got the trillions of dollars
on the table that he's already cost and sunk asset dollars.
I think this happened unfortunately in Iraq, where once you
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spend a lot of money, you don't want to acknowledge
that you wasted it, so then you put more money
in the pot and it just keeps piling up. Some
of you out there that have ever tried to rehab
a home know what I'm talking about. You're halfway through
and it's costing way more than you thought. Or try
to fix a business, and your sunk cost leads you
to sunk sink more dollars into that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a money pit, and I think Trump is looking
at the money pit and saying, hey, this wasn't my mess,
let's just end it. I think that's a big part
of the negotiation too.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Ultimately, if Russia has more men, more material and wants
to pay a higher cost to take control of more
land there, and we're not willing to fight their war
for them, meaning the Ukrainians, which we are not, and
Trump is very clear on that. Then there's only so
much we can do. And this is part of I
think Clay the Ukraine flag Brigade in this country, it's
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something that they haven't really thought about. Okay, well, what's
the next stage If we just keep sending the material
and that we have and they're going to keep losing
and there's no way it's going to turn around, what's
the what the strategies to just keep doing that?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah? Is that really the idea.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Is to just keep throwing more you know, bad money
after bad money, so to speak, because we think that
that's the right thing to do that you know, this
is the American people's money, this is the taxpayer's money.
And we have our own wars in the future too,
hopefully avoid, but possibly to fight and to think about
now because of the scale that it would wire from us.
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And you know, ultimately, the other part of this is
Trump is trying to get an end to this conflict,
to stop the carnage and to stabilize things. He is trying.
But for for a lot of people who look at this,
I think is as just a function of the world
as a messy and difficult place. It doesn't really change
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my life, yours or anyone's listening to this, whether the
Russian Federation or Ukraine is in charge of CRIMEA, that's
just the fact. I mean, there's no there's no way
around this, right, And so how much are we supposed
to care the people who say we're supposed to care
so much because otherwise Western Europe will fall. The tanks
are going to roll through Berlin, the tanks are going
to get through Paris, you know, the run First of
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all there, that's insane. That's not going to happen. And
if they feel that way, well then they should be
making the case that we should be landing US troops
and fighting the Ukrainians war for their territorial integrity with
US blood as well as treasure. And they won't do
that because I think they know the American people are
firmly against that idea. So if nothing else, it is
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forcing a realistic look at what is happening there to
have Trump? What was the Biden First of all, how
can we talk about a Biden policy?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
What does that even mean? Well, you know what was
what was the Biden grand strategy? Remembering how to put
his socks on in the morning? I mean really, in
all seriousness, you can't. I talked about this last week.
You can't bind yourself to a contract when you are
of unsound mind. How much of what Joe Biden himself
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was doing was actually defensible from a fully functional mind perspective,
I mean it's actually scary. I mean, certainly the Pardons.
I think you could challenge the pardons legitimately on the
idea that Biden had no idea what he was doing.
And uh, and I think that's one reason you're going
to see such an aggressive attempt to cover up and
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I mean, honestly, it's kind of a deep question, do
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Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Third hour Clay and Buck kicks off now, and as promised,
we are joined by doctor Nicole Sapphire. She is the
host of Wellness Unmasked on the Clay and Buck podcast network.
You also know her as a Fox News contributor, and
she is an MD doctor, not a Jill Biden doctor.
So we're going to talk to about some medical stuff,
(00:24):
doctor Sapphire. Great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thanks so much guys for having me. Excited to be
on today.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's dive right into it. The big news from over
the weekend about Biden's diagnosis. Clay and I I think
have already established with everybody. Of course, we're all very
anti cancer. It is sad when anyone gets cancer. We
hope that you know, he is able to be successfully treated.
We're not talking about that beyond the news item of
its announcement. What is I think of public concern, and
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rightfully so is given that he was president, and given
that they have now admitted they hid effectively sinility from
the American public and they've now come forward with that,
we have questions. A lot of people have questions about
what the likelihood is that this diagnosis was also hidden
from the public based upon how a disease like this progresses.
(01:18):
What can you tell us as an MD.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, unfortunately, I think the last four years and how
there has just been obvious deception when it came to
Biden's cognitive decline and not being forthcoming with that has
a lot of people on edge right now and rightfully so,
I mean we you know, myself, I wrote articles, I
spoke publicly about I didn't believe that the former President
(01:42):
Biden's doctors were forthcoming about his mental and physical fitness
at the time that he was in the White House.
The metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis that we just learned over
the weekend is devastating, and at this point it is
not about wishing him recovery or to be cancer free,
because once you have a stage four cancer diagnosis, you
(02:03):
don't ever get rid of that. The best we can
hope for is to have no progression of disease. And
when you have metastatic disease to the bone, it is
incredibly painful. So I'm sure he's probably uncomfortable right now.
We even know that he presented because of symptoms and
not from routine screening. Now, I think some of the
big questions that a lot of us had is, you know,
is this something that they kept from the public. And
(02:24):
the answer is, well, we don't know, but we can
kind of talk through this a little bit. At the
age of eighty two, to be honest, not every eighty
two year old man is being screened for prostay cancer.
In fact, a lot of formal recommendations are that you
don't screen for prostay cancer and other cancers at this age.
But because of you have to take into many factors.
You know, what is their life expectancy, will they actually
(02:45):
benefit from the treatment. But we do know that while
Biden was in the White House, because of his annual exams,
he was being screened for colon cancer with colonoscopies. He
was getting skin checked for skin cancer screenings. So therefore
we can assume that he was getting routine screenings. And
you would expect that from the President of the United States,
we would want to make sure we're catching all illness early.
(03:07):
So the assumption should be that he was probably being
screened for prostate cancer at least while he was in
the White House. They never mentioned whether or not he
was whether he had the physical exam checking for nodules
on the prostate, or whether they were screening him with
the common blood test, the PSA test, which people may
be hearing about. They never mentioned those. And interestingly, on
other physical exams President Trumps, even former President Obama, they
(03:30):
did mention when a PSA was drawn. They didn't mention
that in President Biden. Does that mean that they hid
it from us intentionally? No, not necessarily. You don't necessarily
you don't always tell people all the pertinent negatives of
the physical exam, But it is curious that they didn't
mention it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Do you think that this could be missed? So let's
just kind of take a step back. Let's pretend that
it's not Joe Biden we're talking about. There's an entire
medical team and apparatus that is surrounding the president every
minute of every day for the last four years.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Anything that is remotely wrong with him.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
He has a team of doctors the likes of which
basically doesn't exist for any other person in America. Do
you think it is possible that they could have completely
missed this cancer and that on Friday? This is I'm
just asking for your medical opinion, and then on Friday
they would suddenly come out and say, not only does
(04:32):
he have cancer, but it's a stage four cancer that
has gotten to the point where it is now advanced
to being inside of his bone. Does that seem likely
to you as a doctor?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I can't tell you that cancers are missed and not
all cancers are. Not all prostate cancers are associated with
the rise in PSA, most of them are. Most of
them you'll have a high PSA, so if you are
screening for prostay cancer, you should pick up on that.
But not all of them are, so you can't say
one hundred percent of cancers are. Therefore, if he had
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a normal PSA, he didn't have cancer. That's not true.
It sounds like he presented with urinary symptoms. What is
that It could be urinary frequency pain, whatever, frequent urination,
and then that's where they found the hardened nodule. To
go from presenting with symptoms to a biopsy proven prostate
(05:30):
cancer to now confirming metastatic disease, all in less than
a week's time, that's a stretch for me a little bit.
But I will say he is the former president, so
he doesn't get treated like the rest of us. He
probably gets accelerated scans and everything is being done for
him in the same day, and everything's being prioritized. So
is it possible. Absolutely, But they had a lot of
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information just for this to have happened in the last week,
specifically the type of cancer it was, the fact that
it's sensitive to hormones. I mean, these are extra tests
that we run on the pathology specimen, so usually it
takes several days to even over a week to get
all that information back. And the fact that again that
they are then they did the bone imaging. They didn't
say what they did or how they know that he
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has metastatic cancer to the bones, but they said he
had it. Is this an assumption because they did a
bone scan or a pet scan and they saw lesions
in the bone, or did it go as far to
actually confirming it by doing a bone biopsy, which again
would take even more time. We don't have all the information.
In fact, we have very little information. But what we
(06:33):
do know is he has a very aggressive late stage
prostate cancer. It didn't just start in the last week.
It's probably been there for at least several months, maybe
several years, and it's an unfortunate, tragic situation for the
former president.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If you had been doctor Sapphire with us doctor Nicole
Safire now part of the Clay and Buck podcast network,
if you had been his lead physician, Like, let's just
pretend that it's not Joe himself, right, but you are
the White House lead physician, and six months after he
leaves your care after four years as you being his
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lead physician, would you feel like you had failed him
in some way for not picking up on this cancer?
Like as a doctor, would this be something where you thought, boy,
I could have done a better job. If this were
as they seem to be saying, the case that this
thing did not reveal itself until Friday, you had four
years to be around him virtually every day. Would you
(07:31):
be kicking yourself for missing this.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The regret and wondering what you should have could have
done as a physician as something we live with every
single day. The White House physician is essentially the primary
care physician for the President of the United States. You
have to assume that they are doing every single screening
examination to make sure that they catch early signs of
any sort of illness, anything that could incapacitate the president.
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The fact that several months after leaving the White House
was he diagnosed with prostate cancer, but a late stage
prostate cancer. Absolutely, as the primary care physician, I would
be saying to myself, what did I miss? Because this
isn't a rare cancer. Unfortunately, there are those cancers that
we don't screen for because they are more rare, like
a prostate cancer or a brain a primary brain tumor.
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We don't screen from them because they're not very common.
Prostate cancer is the second most common cancer in men,
secondary to skin cancer. So that is why we screen
men for prostate cancer. So again, if the White House
physician was screening for colon cancer and for skin cancer
and checking his cholesterol and everything else he was doing,
I have to assume he was screening for prostate cancer.
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So the big question for me is did they intentionally
omit those PSA results? Did they have an inclination? Was
there a diagnosis early on? The biggest thing for me
that I have the big concerns with is the fact
that they kept the cognitive decline that was very obvious.
That was deceitful because a cognitive of valuation should have
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been a part of that, and when people were questioning
his cognitive ability, that's when he should have been able
to do some of those mental status exams and make
them public. They didn't do that. That was intentional, that
was deceitful. When it comes to the prostate cancer, did
they do the same thing. I don't know. I'm less
convinced because I do see denovo cancers, especially aggressive ones
(09:22):
like Gleason score nines, can happen very quickly and they
can mentasticize very quickly. So I am less inclined to
think that there is a massive cover up when it
came to prostate cancer, the same way that I feel
for the cognitive decline. But it's possible, and I think
that there our questions that we don't have the answers to.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Doctor staff art to that end the medical ethics here.
I'm curious about this. I feel like it would you know,
there's what's put forward for the public, and as we know,
there's information about this is not a normal thing, right
A president puts forward, you know, information that would be
hippoprotected or whatever or right, and that's just understood because
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it's a job that affects all of us, and so
the health of the president is in many ways public information.
But if you're the president's physician and the president said
and you say, hey, look I see something on this
PSA it's a little bit weird, and the President of
the United States says to the physician, the White House physician, Yeah,
I don't think we need to share this with anybody.
(10:23):
What are the medical ethics here, I mean, what how
does that play out?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
As you see?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, that's a great question medical legally, is a physician,
we are not supposed to speak publicly about someone's diagnoses
if it's our patient. Actually, ethically, we're not supposed to
really talk about their diagnosis, even if they're not our patient,
because we're not supposed to draw conclusions without having done
the work up. It is only a courtesy that they
show us these annual physical examinations. That is not you know,
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that is not a right that the Americans. I mean,
that's not in the law that they have to do that.
We just liked this on paper where says that our
presidents are mentally and physically fit to do the job.
It's a great thing, but really all it is is
a feel good thing, and absolutely things can be omitted again.
We saw it with President Biden for four years. Things
were admitted. We called it out on that and they
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didn't do anything about it. So if he had gotten
the diagnosis, and maybe his trips to Delaware were to
go for treatment, who knows what it was. Maybe that's
why he spent so much time up in Delaware. The
bottom line is, we don't know, And if President Biden
didn't want to disclose something, I don't think the White
House physician is medically legally obligated to do so. His
(11:34):
responsibility is to his patient. Yeah, I mean he has
to remember. Lloyd Austen, for Defense Secretary, also had prostay
cancer during the administration, and that was controversy as say,
he did not disclose it. That was disclosed inadvertently because
if you don't remember, he underwent surgery and then he
was in the hospital. But they didn't even they weren't
(11:54):
forthcoming with us. They didn't even want us to know
about that. We found out about that after the fact,
So I don't know. It felt like a lot of
things were being kept from the public with this last administration,
and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were kept.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What's the prognosis going forward so far as you can
tell based on what they announced yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, unfortunately, the two things that they really gave for
kind of worst case scenario when it comes to prostate cancer.
The glease and score of nine is how aggressive the
cancer is. That if you're looking at the cells under microscope,
that is scored on how many cells are there, how
active they are, how fast they're dividing, and it's scored
from two to ten, ten being the most aggressive too,
(12:36):
being the least nine is considered very aggressive, very fast acting.
So this hasn't been lingering for seven to ten years,
as some people have been saying, absolutely not not with
a glease and score of nine, it's very fast acting.
So in that sense, it's worst case scenario, but also
stage four meaning that it's not only it's not just
in the prostate land, it's gone outside of the prostate land,
(12:58):
and it's not even in the local pelvic lymph nodes.
It's gone farther out and in former President Biden's case,
in his bones. So worst case scenario, when does this
call early? If you have a less aggressive prostate cancer,
the five year survival approaches one hundred percent. I mean
that's why we screen, That's why we detect early, because
we have such a great survivability. Unfortunately, in the former
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President Biden's case, that survivability at five years is markedly decreased,
with numbers ranging between twenty five to thirty five percent
five year survival.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So the expectation would be that based on this diagnosis,
just to close out with you, there was been would
have been a strong likelihood that he might die in
office with this cancer if you were trying to serve
all the way until January of twenty nine, for instance.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, I think at the age of eighty two, just
he's already exceeding the expected life expectancy for an American man,
especially one with cardiovascular disease and a history of heart disease.
So I think the likelihood that he would have had
some sort of cardiac event in the next four years
as high, maybe a cardiovascular disease like a stroke event.
(14:08):
And now given the aggressive stage four prostate cancer and
with the treatments, I think it's highly likely that his
life expectancy, I'm not you know, is significantly decreased, and
another term under the presidency with that stress probably would
have exacerbated his decline.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Doctor Nicole Safire part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
You do fabulous work.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We appreciate you making the time for us on short
notice and encourage people to go listen to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Thanks for having me on, guys, we're certainly going to
be covering it this week.
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everything surrounding the Biden diagnosis. I want to hit a
couple of different things here as well that have happened
(16:08):
in the last few hours.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Let me first do this one.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There has been a according to multiple reports, Ashley Babbitt,
the only person killed on January sixth, The Trump administration
has reached a wrongful death settlement with her estate and
her family's going to receive five million dollars. So that
report out there, Ashley Babbitt, the only person who actually
(16:35):
died on January sixth, shot by a Capitol Hill police officer,
there will be a five million dollar settlement paid out
to her estate a wrongful death lawsuit that her family
will receive also, and we probably need to dive into
this in greater detail. Trump spent two hours on the
(16:55):
phone with Vladimir Putin and he has posted how that
call went from his perspective, a little bit of a
synopsis of it. He says it went well, and he
expects ceasefire negotiations to now accelerate, and so we will
talk about that with you when we return as well.
(17:15):
But both of those news stories breaking in the last
thirty minutes or so, and we will fill you in
in greater detail here when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, my sense of where things are going with
you great is Trump is going to have to turn
the heat up on vlad to get him to I
think that's right faster. I don't think I think that.
You know, look, Lad is testing him. We knew this
would happen. We'll get back into this here.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
At a moment.
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A two four safe. All right, welcome back into Clay
and Buck. As we know, there was a call this
earlier this morning. Some news items to get today. We're
so stacked with news that we're trying to get through
as much which as we can without leaving out anything critical.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Here.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Isn't it cool to have a doctor in the Clay
and Buck Network. By the way, that was so good. Yeah,
He's like, really, you know, excellent doctor. Anyway, I wanted
to make sure we get you as much news as possible.
You look like you've got a breaking I can always
tell by Clay's face if there's a breaking news item
or if someone texted him something funny while I'm in
the which one is it? If we're breaking news or
(19:23):
is there a funny text? Well, I mean I think
it's a little bit of breaking news. And I was
trying to look this up because everything is.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
AI now and you and I are live on.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The air, and so if I see things that are funny,
I'm like, wait, is this really real? And it appears
that this is really real based on all the different
places being reported. I mean, it's a video. But Jade
Vance and his wife gave the new Pope Leo the fourteenth,
a Chicago Bears jersey with his name on it. So
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if you had had in the firmament stories that you
never expected to hear in your life, the Pope is
a big Chicago Bear fan. The American Pope is a
big Chicago Bear fan, and Vice President JD Vance just
gave him a Chicago Bears jersey with Pope Leo the
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fourteenth as the name on the jersey.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I would never have believed this was real, but.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This guy is evidently a big Chicago area sports fan,
and that video is out there and is pretty amazing,
So I was just kind of laughing. It's just kind
of a positive story amidst a lot of unfortunately negative stories. Man,
it's hard to have a serious, like discussion with a
cancer doctor about what's going on. So there's a big
swing there. Positive story. It's out on social media if
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you want a little bit of a smile.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Dumb Bear's big team.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And his number buck exactly dup as you can say
dupope right there is His number on the Bears jersey
is V one four so the Roman numeral for fourteenth is.
It is very funny anyway, So congratulations to the Bears.
Like this is we have the American Pope and he's
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gonna be sitting around wondering. We talked at Jay Feey
earlier whether or not the Bears are ever going to
win a Super Bowl again.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
All right, now, we're.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Gonna do another hard turn back to ending a war
and preventing escalation with the nuclear powers Russia, Ukraine, US.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
What's going on here? We have this was speaking of JD.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Vance, the vice president of Vance here this cut fourteen,
talking about what really matters. I mean, yes, having conversations
with Putin is one thing, but they want to see results.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Play it kil Look, the President's been very clear, this
is not the United States. Its not gonna spit its
wheels here. We want to see outcomes. And the first
major outcome that we wanted to see, which we were
claud about, is that we wanted the Russians of the Ukrainians.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
To put a real piece of prose on the table.
What would you need to do in order to stop
fighting that.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
The second thing is they need to agree to direct
talks with one another. Besides, hadn't talked in years. We
thought that was a disgrace that has now happened. But
now either the talks have been proceeding for a little while,
we realize there's a bit of an impass here. And
I think the President's going to say to President Putin, look,
are you serious?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Are you real about this? Because the proposal from the.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
United States has always been Look, there are a lot
of economic benefits to thawing relations between Russia and the
rest of the world. But you're not gonna get those benefits.
You can keep on killing a lot of innocent people.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Look, I think this is the right the right approach.
I think the administration is on task here and doing
what they can. And I also think that Putin, you know,
let's not let's not assume that he's some kind of
like Machiavelli and genius or anything international relations and negotiations.
If he, I think the easies way to put it.
(22:50):
If he ticks Trump off and Trump gets the sense
that Putin's playing games and making and trying to make
Trump look foolish on the world stage, he's now I'm
not saying, you know, obviously we're not going to land
the eighty second Airborn in Moscow. But Trump has mentioned
economic really turning up the economic heat and making things
(23:11):
increasingly uncomfortable for Vladimir Putin and Memberclay. There's what can
publicly be done and talked about, and there's also stuff
behind the scenes that can go on that can turn
up the heat against the Russians pretty dramatically. So we'll see.
I just if I was one of Putin's advisors. I
wouldn't test Trump, I wouldn't trifle with it.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, I think the.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Other question is, and we don't know. I mean, obviously
this is now the warm season where you're able to
advance more substantially. What land are they thinking that they're
going to get such that it is more advantageous to
them not to go into cease fire negotiations now? Because
I think the argument they're going to make is the
(23:53):
border line is drawn based on where it is roughly
right now, and that they are getting these provinces that
they believe are a part of historical Russia more so
than they are Ukraine. But how much more are they
seeking to get right is the question that I think.
And to your point, Trump has actually been pretty aggressive
(24:14):
with Putin and for everybody out there who's tried to
claim for ten years now, oh Trump is a Russian asset.
I think some of the commentary that he's made about
Putin is is in many ways as aggressive or more
aggressive than what Joe Biden has said.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, I think that Trump's approach on this, you know,
I've just I've seen him. We've seen him operating for
a long time now, both as president as a leader
of the Republican Party during the Biden debacle administration. And
then just as somebody in private life who's been, you know,
involved in all kinds of private sector deals. And I
(24:50):
think that Trump's approach to Putin, I get it. It's
all right, let's let's sit down as men of respect.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean, if you've seen the Sopranos, you've seen mobs movies,
you know, when the leaders of the two families sit down,
generally speaking, it's you know, okay, let's try it. Let's
try to avoid escalation here. Let's be deferential. You know,
you're doing good by your family. I'm doing good by
my family. Let's figure out our territory here kind of.
And I think that's Trump's approach, right, He wants he
(25:18):
wants to create the opening for Putin to be reasonable.
I think Trump is very aware though, that Putin may
not be interested at all actually in a cease fire
or in and seeing this through. And here's jd vance
to that in this cut fifteen, saying, yeah, that's part
of what this is.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
We're figuring out.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Does this guy just want to grind this war on
for years more because he thinks he'll get more play it.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Look, I think one open question is is Vladimir Putin
serious about negotiating peace? Right, He has made some concessions,
he has taken some serious steps in these conversations, but
we feel like, you know, we're at a point where
we're hittingn in past, and that's why the President is
talking to him on the phone. And I think there's
also just a little bit of Look, there's fundamental mistrust
(26:05):
between Russia and the West. It's one of the things
the President thinks, this is frankly stupid, that that we
should be able to move beyond the mistakes that have
been made in the past.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
But that takes two to tank though.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I know the President's willing to do that, but if
RuSHA is not willing to do that, then we're eventually
just going to say this is not our war, it's
Joe Biden's war, it's Vladimir Putin's war, it's not our war.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Now, you know, they're they're looking at this with very
with very open eyes. Right, That's the part of it
that I think is is critical to take away from
this clay that there's not some oh, we know we're
dealing with somebody with Vladimir Putin, who's going to uh
make the decisions that seem logical or reasonable to us
under the circumstances. No Putin may want to see this
thing all the way through. It's not our war, as J.
(26:49):
D Van says. So maybe then there's more economic sanction.
Maybe there's more, you know, there's more that he does
diplomatically turn up the heat. But at least then we
can also stop ways our breath with there is if
there's no peace deal to be had. That's an important
bit of information to know at this stage of this war.
I also think this ties in with something we've talked
(27:10):
about the last couple of weeks that I've seen almost
nobody else pointing out. The number one thing you could
do at this point in time to weakend Vladimir Putin
is what Trump is working to get done.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Lower the gas prices because so much and this, by
the way, works against Iran too. I was reading this morning.
You know how bad things have gotten in Iran for
energy buck They're now starting kids in school at six
am and ending school at one pm, and people are
(27:42):
getting stranded in high rises all the time because they
can't keep the electricity on the Iranian government is crumbling economically,
and that's why I think Trump's visit to the UAE,
to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And to.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Katar was so destructive to internal support for Iranian government.
A lot of regular Iranians are looking around, say, wait
a minute. Trump just visited these three Middle Eastern countries
that are thriving, announced trillions of dollars in overall relationships
(28:18):
on a commerce perspective, and we can't even get our
kids to school in normal hours because we don't have
the infrastructure to be able to produce the energy that
we need in this country. And so I think that
factors in the pressure on Putin grows because they're having
to sell their oil on a black market and they
(28:39):
have to undercut whatever the larger price of oil and gas.
Everybody's missing this. That is actually a pretty strong move
that Trump has put in place. Now, the other thing here,
and I know you would think through this too. The
advantage Trump has is neither of these wars happened on
his watch. Nothing happened in Gaza on his watch, Ukraine
(29:00):
didn't get invaded on his watch. He is trying to
clean up the mess that Biden's weakness allowed to occur
on the global stage, and so his incentive structure isn't
He's not the guy who's got the trillions of dollars
on the table that he's already cost and sunk asset dollars.
I think this happened unfortunately in Iraq, where once you
(29:22):
spend a lot of money, you don't want to acknowledge
that you wasted it, so then you put more money
in the pot and it just keeps piling up. Some
of you out there that have ever tried to rehab
a home know what I'm talking about. You're halfway through
and it's costing way more than you thought. Or try
to fix a business, and your sunk cost leads you
to sunk sink more dollars into that.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's a money pit, and I think Trump is looking
at the money pit and saying, hey, this wasn't my mess,
let's just end it. I think that's a big part
of the negotiation too.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Ultimately, if Russia has more men, more material and wants
to pay a higher cost to take control of more
land there, and we're not willing to fight their war
for them, meaning the Ukrainians, which we are not, and
Trump is very clear on that. Then there's only so
much we can do. And this is part of I
think Clay the Ukraine flag Brigade in this country, it's
(30:20):
something that they haven't really thought about. Okay, well, what's
the next stage If we just keep sending the material
and that we have and they're going to keep losing
and there's no way it's going to turn around, what's
the what the strategies to just keep doing that?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah? Is that really the idea.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Is to just keep throwing more you know, bad money
after bad money, so to speak, because we think that
that's the right thing to do that you know, this
is the American people's money, this is the taxpayer's money.
And we have our own wars in the future too,
hopefully avoid, but possibly to fight and to think about
now because of the scale that it would wire from us.
(31:01):
And you know, ultimately, the other part of this is
Trump is trying to get an end to this conflict,
to stop the carnage and to stabilize things. He is trying.
But for for a lot of people who look at this,
I think is as just a function of the world
as a messy and difficult place. It doesn't really change
(31:21):
my life, yours or anyone's listening to this, whether the
Russian Federation or Ukraine is in charge of CRIMEA, that's
just the fact. I mean, there's no there's no way
around this, right, And so how much are we supposed
to care the people who say we're supposed to care
so much because otherwise Western Europe will fall. The tanks
are going to roll through Berlin, the tanks are going
to get through Paris, you know, the run First of
(31:43):
all there, that's insane. That's not going to happen. And
if they feel that way, well then they should be
making the case that we should be landing US troops
and fighting the Ukrainians war for their territorial integrity with
US blood as well as treasure. And they won't do
that because I think they know the American people are
firmly against that idea. So if nothing else, it is
(32:05):
forcing a realistic look at what is happening there to
have Trump? What was the Biden First of all, how
can we talk about a Biden policy?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
What does that even mean? Well, you know what was
what was the Biden grand strategy? Remembering how to put
his socks on in the morning? I mean really, in
all seriousness, you can't. I talked about this last week.
You can't bind yourself to a contract when you are
of unsound mind. How much of what Joe Biden himself
(32:38):
was doing was actually defensible from a fully functional mind perspective,
I mean it's actually scary. I mean, certainly the Pardons.
I think you could challenge the pardons legitimately on the
idea that Biden had no idea what he was doing.
And uh, and I think that's one reason you're going
to see such an aggressive attempt to cover up and
(33:00):
have seen the dementia and the cancer and everything else
surrounding him, and and I just come back. We started
the show with this, but doctor Jill Biden is a
monster monster.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I think Clay might hate Jill Biden more than he
hates Fauci. Now I think she actually may have taken
the spot.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, I it's it's a it's a that's a tough,
that's a tough, that's a great debate who is a
worst person? I don't think Fauci would have covered up
his wife's cancer. Oh yeah, I mean it goes to Buck.
I mean, honestly, it's kind of a deep question, do
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Speaker 4 (33:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
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