July 11, 2025 • 36 mins
In the final hour of the week, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show covered significant breaking news regarding turmoil within the Trump administration over the Epstein files investigation. The hosts reported that FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino was threatening to resign amid a major dispute with Attorney General Pam Bondi over the handling of information related to the Epstein case. According to multiple sources, including CNN's Caitlyn Collins, Bongino reportedly told people he was considering resigning, with the ultimatum being "either her or me," forcing President Trump to potentially choose between his FBI Deputy Director and Attorney General.
The hosts welcomed former FBI special agent Nicole Parker to discuss the Epstein investigation, particularly focusing on the original South Florida investigation that resulted in Epstein's controversial plea deal back in 2008. They examined the timeline of events, noting that the initial investigation began in 2005 under President George W. Bush, with Epstein eventually receiving what many considered an extremely lenient 13-month work release sentence despite serious charges.
Clay and Buck analyzed how this controversy has become a "five-alarm fire" for the Trump administration, with CNN reporting that Google searches for Epstein were up 1200% during the week. They suggested that the issue wasn't necessarily disagreement about the evidence in the files, but rather the communication surrounding them, with both hosts speculating that officials likely found little prosecutable evidence beyond what was already known about Epstein himself.
The hosts also mentioned President Trump's visit to flood-ravaged areas in Kerrville, Texas. On a positive note, they closed the show by sharing news of the U.S. government reporting a $26 billion budget surplus in June 2025, which they highlighted as the first monthly budget surplus in 20 years. Despite the week's controversies, they encouraged listeners to focus on economic progress and other positive developments as the weekend approached.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in final hour of the week Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We're about to be joined by Nicole Parker, former FBI
special agent, Fox News contributor. But want to fill you
in with a little bit of news, kind of significant
if you have been out and have not heard this yet.
(00:22):
First of all, Trump is on the ground in Texas
touring the flood ravaged areas around Kerrville. We will update
you on anything that comes from that visit if it
happens in this hour.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Just fyi. That is where the President is right now.
Breaking news.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
While the President has been traveling to Texas, there were
axios initially reported on a blow up inside of the
White House between FBI officials Dan Bongino, the Deputy Director
in particular, and the Attorney General Pam Bondi over the
(01:01):
way that information has been released surrounding the Epstein investigation.
There is a belief on the FBI side that the
AG's office, Pambondy in particular, has over promised and underdelivered
and not been great in terms of her communication on
this case. And there are now reports, according to our
(01:21):
friend Julie Kelly, who I believe is accurate. I trust
her reporting on this. That Dan Bongino may have said,
it's either her or me. That is the deputy director
of the FBI, maybe also Cash Bettel. We don't know
exactly how his position is impacted here. And Pambondi that
(01:42):
Trump needs to make a choice. It's either she stays
as ag or or Bongino stays in the FBI. Okay,
that is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Where we are.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Nicole Parker, you have heard us talking and discussing all
of this Epstein chaos. You used to work in the
FBI South Florida office, So let's start with that. To me,
the actual linchpin of all of this that has become
of a criminal nature starts with that investigation, and I
(02:13):
believe it was Acosta was the prosecutor there, appears to
have let Jeffrey Epstein off on a very sweetheart deal.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You're from the FBI office down in South Florida. What
do you think about the optics surrounding that initial part
of this story.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's a very important element of what's been going on.
I'm just going to full disclosure. I don't represent anyone
but my own personal opinions. Based on my experience as
a special agent with the FBI. I'll make that very clear.
I never sensationalized things. I just tell the fact. Sometimes
it comes across as boring, but I just tell it
like it is based on my perspective. I have never
been a big follower of the Epstein story from the
(02:58):
civilian side of life. I was a special agent with
the FBI and the Miami Division in the Southern District
of Florida, and as we know, Palm Beach is in
the area of responsibility of FBI Miami. Prior to my
joining the FBI, this case was going on. This dates
back to the early two thousands and so I do
(03:20):
think it's important for your listeners to remember how much
history there is here. This is a sick, disgusting, evil,
and abhorrent man who abused and trafficked miners for years
and so again, going back, like you said, it was
back in two thousand and eight, actually a very controversial
plea deal was signed with the US Attorney in the
(03:43):
Southern District of Florida, alex Acosta, involving the locals as well.
And basically, if we go back, it was May of
two thousand and six, that the state Attorney in the
state of Florida, Barry Kushner, charged Epstein with one count
of soliciting prostitution. Palm Beach Law Enforcement Palm beat Sheriff's
(04:03):
office was concerned about how that was handled. They reported
the information to the FBI FBI Miami Division in July
of two thousand and six, so it was referred to
the FBI. They launched a full investigation. Again, I was
not at the FBI at that time, but I can
tell you that when I joined, I spoke to agents
that were extremely frustrated with how much work the FBI
(04:25):
did and it was not charged by you know, we
all know that the Department of Justice makes the proscctorial decisions. Again,
this is dating back to two thousand and six. In
June of two thousand and seven, it was actually a
US attorney Alex Acosta. At the time, he was actually
preparing a fifty three page indictment against Epstein, Right, so
(04:47):
all these FBI agents that have been working so hard
are like, oh good, you know he's going to be
held accountable as he should. They did a thorough investigation,
and then in October of two thousand and seven, the
US attorney or that seems jorneys, and they signed a
non prosecution agreement and they it was like a sweetheart
deal that he was able to plead guilty to two
fellowy prosecution charges. As we know, in comparison to a
(05:10):
sex trafficking charge, that's a little slap on the wrist.
As we've seen with the Diddy case. What did he
got convicted of is a slap on their wrist compared
to the other charges that he faced. So in June
two thousand and eight, Epstein please guilty to the two
lesser counts and he's sentenced to eighteen months in jail. Again,
slap on their wrist. He reports to the Palm County Jail.
(05:31):
He's released early. And in July of twenty nineteen, it
resurfaces because they're victims, real victims of this heinous crime,
multiple heinous crimes of this man, and they come forward
and with the Me Too movement, it brought a lot
of interest, and those victims never had justice served properly
(05:54):
for what occurred to them. And again, as an FBI
agent who has worked these types of the investigations, your
number one priority is the victim. They have rights, they
should be protected, and I appreciate that they resurface this investigation.
Southern District of New York goes in and in July
(06:15):
of twenty nineteen, Epstein was arrested at the Teterborough, New
Jersey airport as he was coming in from a trip
from Paris, and he was charged with sex trafficking of
minor girls and a conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. And
it dates all the way back to two thousand and
two to two thousand and five, trafficking in Florida Palm
Beach area as well as his New York residence. So
(06:39):
women started coming forward even after he was charged. Over
a dozen women come forward, and the FBI says, hey,
if you are a victim of this monster, basically, please
come forward, and over a dozen women came forward. So
again he has over one thousand victims of this nasty, abhorrent,
evil thing that he had been doing for years. And
(07:00):
we all know he was arrested, he went to jail,
and then in August of twenty nineteen, before he even
went to trial, that is the when he was found
dead in his jail cell in federal prison. And at
the time, the FBI does a full investigation it was
ruled that it was a suicide by hanging. There were
a lot of people that did not necessarily agree with that.
(07:25):
We all know that the bottom girl in a sex
trafficking ring, they're the bottom girl. She's basically the one
that recruits the victims, and that we all know is Maxwell,
and she was arrested in twenty twenty. She was the
one that helped to recruit these miners underage girls. And
in December of twenty twenty one, she was found guilty
after a four week trial, and she started her prison sentence,
(07:50):
a twenty year federal prison sentence. She started in June
of twenty twenty two. And again, we all know this
is a highly controversial case. It was not handled properly
in the first place. And again this is prior to
me joining the FBI, but upon my arrival in the
Southern District of Florida, there were agents that we're extremely
(08:11):
frustrated with how this is handled, even back into the
early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What do you think's going on now, Nicole. We've had
a lot of people very upset after the memo release
on Sunday. Now I'm seeing the latest breaking news is
that Deputy Director Bongino, according to Kyle Becker on Twitter,
here has taken a leave of absence. I don't even
know if that's official or if that's just what people
are saying, but obviously there's something going on here.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
What do you think's going on?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Again? I am always hesitant to speak out of turn
because I don't speak unless I know the facts. I
do not know the facts of those you know, thoughts
that people are putting out there are what people know.
I have not spoken to Dan Bongino. I have not spoken,
so that would be inappropriate for me to make a statement.
I'm not going to do that. But what I do
know is that the FBI has been accused for years
(09:08):
of not being transparent, right. I mean, I left the
FBI because I did not agree with a lot of
the things. I thought it had been politically and socially weaponized,
and I thought that the FBI should be more transparent.
And I think that coming in with I think that
is the goal and it is a high priority of
Cashpitel of Dan Bongin now of Pam Bondi. These are
people that have been so frustrated, especially under the Biden administration,
(09:32):
with a lack of transparency. Americans are the taxpayers. At
the end of the day, they are our boss. And
when I was an FBI agent, it was a taxpayer
that was my boss, right And so I think that
they've made a conscious effort to be transparent. I think
the fact that they put this memo out, they reviewed things,
and I understand that people are very frustrated, and you know, well,
this is what the expectation was, and this is what
(09:54):
it is. And you know I again.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, I want to step appreciate that Nicole Parker, formerly
FBI and with Fox News, thank you for joining and
sharing your opinion on it. Thank you, that's Nicole Parker.
Appreciate that today's the last. By the way, load up
the phone lines. You can send us your emails again. Buck,
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(10:17):
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Friday edition of the program.
You just heard from Nicole Parker, former FBI agent in
South Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Again, all of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
This starting with an FBI investigation that took place in
South Florida, and CNN has now climbed on the Bongino
is threatening to resign train, and so I think this
thing is officially out of the U, out of the
(12:05):
proverbial what a go to be like the holding pattern
here Caitlin Collins saying it's accurate, Bongino has told people
he's considering resigning. Hard to overstate the infighting happening right now,
and it is continuing to grow.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So positive, let's be positive. It is Friday.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is it possible, in your opinion, Buck, that Trump, like
a dad, can call the crew back into an Oval
office meeting or a meeting somewhere in the White House,
say hey, I want both of you to stay on,
and I don't want to have to make a decision
between either or here or once all this goes public,
(12:49):
does it become requisite effectively that Trump has to make
a decision And the first real significant departure, I would say,
of Trump two point zero is underway. If it's the
attorney general, who is ostensibly the boss of everyone in
the Department of Justice, that is a huge position to
have to feel to fill, particularly given that even most
(13:13):
presidents deal with a lot of issues. But there's constant
legal turmoil surrounding Trump because the resistance two point zero
is primarily coming from the judiciary.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, man, it's uh, it's been it's been a rough week.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's been a tough week because that, I will say,
let's get uh, we got to call her Charles and
do we already take Charles? I'm sorry, Trump, Charles in
South Florida walks away and what's up Charles? Hey, gentlemen,
t gif um not a big fan of Pam Bondy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I want to put my name in for Greg Jarrett
for a new.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ag Okay, go well, Trump probably likes Greg Jarrett because
he's on Fox News all the time talking about legal
related issues, which doesn't hurt because there's a bunch of
former Fox News people in the cabinet. I don't know
that we need to get into handicapping who the new
attorney general should be. But let me say this, Bucks,
see if you would sign on with this. I think
(14:08):
what is interesting here is there is not actually a
disagreement about what is actually in the Epstein files. I
think Pambondi, Cash Betel, and Dan Bongino have reviewed these
files and there is, in their opinion, not prosecutable evidence
inside of the files. How do you tell people that
(14:29):
there is not prosecutable evidence in the files? And secondarily,
will they believe you no matter what they say after
the comments that abide, I think an important, important addendum
or a clarification on that clay is that there's not
not evidence to prosecute beyond Epstein, who is dead. Is
(14:50):
the point, because people right now are are they saying
that there were no crime? No, No one's saying they're
no crimes. Gonna mean Epstein was going to spend the
rest of his life in a cell. Everybody knows it.
That's why he died, Okay, you know, killed himself. That's
why whatever happened there happened because he was gone or
he was going to be gone in a cell for
the rest of his life. So it's not that there's
(15:12):
not evidence of Epstein's extreme crimes.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
There's more. There's tons of evidence.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Of Epstein's extreme crimes, but people are asking about crimes
beyond that, and they're saying that they don't have that information.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Dershowitz seems to be suggesting pretty clearly in that SoundBite
we played that they do have more information than they
have shared, but perhaps it is not information of any
crimes committed and would only be destructive or defamatory to
reputations of people who may not be guilty of any crimes.
(15:47):
And that's where everyone's getting real testy, and that's where
they're real you know, because well, if there are one
hundred people on a list and five of them did
really horrible stuff, but you don't know which five, does
the DJ release the list of the one hundred people?
I mean, I think that's essentially the conundrum in which
the DOJFBI situation is right now. I could be wrong,
(16:11):
but that's what I think is going on. Is they're
not releasing everything because a lot of people didn't do
anything wrong and they'll be named, and there are some
people who did things that are wrong, but they can't
prove it. So what's the point of releasing all the names?
I think that may be where this is and that's
why a part of me, and again it's messy, and unfortunately,
(16:31):
as you just said, there's going to be a lot
of people who are sort of caught in the shrapnel
of the Epstein explosion. A part of me just thinks
you got to release everything. And here's the problem with that,
because of the promises that have been made about Epstein prosecutions.
Even if you release everything, there's going to be a
(16:53):
lot of people who say, I don't believe it. They
didn't actually release everything. So you're almost in unless you,
I don't know, purple walk Bill Clinton out and Bill
Gates and other guys that have been associated with Epstein
in any way in handcuffs. Many of those people are
not going to be satisfied. So I think Trump is
(17:13):
in a tough spot here, honestly. And if he's got
his FBI and his Attorney General's office feuding with each
other and potentially saying it's me or her, then I
mean he's This is why you're the president. The tough
decisions get brought to your desk, and it's much more
serious than this. But your analogy of it's kind of
(17:34):
like the Apprentice. Two people sit across the resolute desk
and make an argument about why they deserve to continue to.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Have their job. It's kind of like that. I think
that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't see how all three of the big names
involved at the top of the Trump justice apparatus, meaning DOJFBI.
I don't see how they all continue to work together
after this. I don't see how that's possible. Really, that's
the problem. Yeah, too much of a distraction out of
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Speaker 2 (19:36):
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Speaker 1 (19:40):
There's lots of infighting, there's lots of mess going on,
and so Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
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Actually, so this is the if you're like, wait a minute,
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That is awesome. So there you will see this on
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(20:53):
which started off this week, maybe because this is a Friday,
the fact that everywhere is the report. Now, we started
it off about an hour and a half ago, I
would say we were probably ahead of the curve and
letting you know that this was potentially going to be
an issue. And if you just getting in your car,
you're just starting off your day, you haven't been paying
attention to the news reports that Deputy FBI Director Dan
(21:17):
Bongino has said it's basically either me or Attorney General
Pam Bondi over the fallout surrounding the Epstein investigation. There's
a belief that on the side of the FBI that
Attorney General Pambondy has over promised and under delivered. And
(21:38):
do we have the audio? Did Greg pull the audio
for us yet? Of these clips that have gone megaviral
of Pam Bondi saying basically, hey, these files are on
my desk, and trying to walk back what she has said.
We know that they had the binder surrounding everything that
was put out there. Okay, let me just this is
(22:00):
a flashback first cut thirty three. Here, this is February
twenty first twenty twenty five. Pam Bondi says, the Epstein
client list is sitting on my desk right now. This
was on Fox News America's newsroom, John Roberts asking the questions.
She's tried to say she didn't mean the actual list,
(22:22):
but this is what they talk about when they say
over promise, under deliver Cut thirty three DJ maybe releasing
the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, Well, that really happen.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It's sitting on my desk. Right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm
reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process
of being reviewed because that was done at the directive
of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So so have you seen anything there? You said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay, good follow up to be fair by John Roberts.
And again, the client list and the Epstein list and
all these things. List is a very interesting phrase, right,
because what is the list consist of? Is it people
who flew on the airplane, which can be legal?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A lot of people can't have legally flown on the airplane,
which I read did six hundred trips a year or something.
I mean, this was a jet that he had that
flew everywhere. Was it client list, meaning he invested with people,
many of whom may have known nothing about his private life.
So that's a mess. But it implicated and certainly implied
(23:35):
that there was going to be a release and that
there would be some consequences for people who might have
engaged in crimes alongside of Epstein. That was cut one.
That's February twenty first. She then said on our friend
Sean Hannity Show. This was in March that the Epstein
client list was sitting on her desk and that it
was a truckload, a truckload of documents.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is cut thirty four.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Listen, you're looking at these dot It's going these aren't
all the Epstein files. You know, there were flight logs,
there were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's
the rest of the stuff. And that's what the FBI
had turned over to us. And so a source said, oh,
all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of
New York. So based on that, I gave them the
deadline Friday at eight, a truckload of evidence arrive. It's
(24:22):
now in the possession of the FBI. Cash is going
to get me and himself really a detailed report as
to why all these documents and evidence had been withheld,
and you know, we're going to go through it, go
through it as fast as we can, but go through
it very cautiously to protect all the victims of Epstein,
because there are a lot of victims.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, truckload of documents evidence sitting on my desk. And
then to your point, Buck, suddenly on Sunday they come
out and say, hey, yeah, there's no real prosecutable evidence here,
and let's just move on. And a lot of people
have said, record scratch moment, what are you talking about.
We heard what you said February. We heard what you
said in March. I'm talking about Attorney General Pam BONDI.
(25:04):
How in the world can you now tell us truckloads
of documents stuff sitting on your desk. Oh, there's nothing here.
It's a mess. She over promised and has under delivered,
and that is a huge issue. Well, we would say
under any other circumstance that the public's faith and trust
in the Attorney General and more broadly in the Department
of Justice is important. It's not just about making the
(25:27):
right decision. It's about the perception that the right decisions
are being made and can be trusted.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So there's what you do, and there's also how the
people feel about what's going on. And you know the
fact that all you have to know is the fact
that we've got as many people as riled up as
they are right now. And I'm not disparaging it because
I understand the frustration and I understand the sense of
hiding the football or the political whiplash, because it's there,
(25:56):
it's real, and this has happened.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
This.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I could not believe the Sunday Manta when I read it,
and I mean, you can all see it's public record.
My first response was because they said there's no blackmail,
I'm like, I fundamentally do not believe that there was
no blackmail going on.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I do not believe we agree that. I think that
he blackmailed people.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like by the way, there's a difference between we don't
have the evidence to prove something, which I think this
is so important. I think that they walked into a
mess here. I think there might have been evidence in
the past. You just heard Nicole Parker talking about this
the first prosecution. You and I were talking about this
off air. You know, a guy is sleeping with underage kids, right,
(26:36):
and you give him thirteen months home confinement the first
I'm talking about the first punishment, which was twenty eighteen
or whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
How does that happen? You got people you know this, But.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like when I practice criminal law, I knew a guy
in the US Virgin Islands who slept with a girl
that pretended she was eighteen and she was like seventeen
or something. He was twenty two. He went to prison.
She lies, She had a fake ID. Everybody's like, what
Bartender meets her like they sleep together. She lied about
(27:11):
who she was.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
She lied. He went to prison.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
One one interaction, and you're telling me, this guy in
Florida is sleeping with lots of girls under the age
of eighteen, under the age of consent. So some of
them are some of them were hold on, some of
them were also, like because I saw the documentary about
this and like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thirteen or fourteen as well.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I mean, really, age of consent is eighteen in Florida,
so well under the age of consent. And he got
home confinement. That is a record scratch moment. Now, that
happened all the way back in eighteen, right, and it
was not am I correcting that it was two thousand.
Maybe it was even earlier than that. I want to
make sure I get the year right of the initial prosecution.
(27:53):
Then he was re arrested after he had already served
the home confinement penalty. Well, he was arrested because the
Miami Herald actually did an investigation and it became more
public what was going on. And then I think they
looked into it and realized, not only did he get
off with a shockingly light approach the first time, he
(28:15):
kept doing this stuff. Yeah, that's right, doing it my
apology question. There was a massive failure of justice of
the DOJ system here. By the way, I want to
correct the year. So the second arrest, he was arrested
a second time, and I know Nicole ran through this,
but in twenty nineteen, in two thousand and five, they
(28:36):
started the investigation. So, I mean, who was president in
two thousand and freaking five, George W.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Bush?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right, I mean we're talking about something twenty years ago
that was initially investigated. He pled guilty, sorry, I said,
twenty eighteen, two thousand and eight to Florida State Court
and just got thirteen months as a basically home confinement
work release that was going on.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean, that's nothing. And then he got re arrested
in the middle of the me too.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
After people went back and looked and said, what in
the world, how did this guy get such favorable treatment.
So again, the first investigation, the one that happened twenty
years ago, how does that happen? How does a guy
dead to rights get off on that level of lenient treatment.
That's a question that I think goes to the essence now.
(29:26):
But the problem I think buck is by the time
these guys get into office, Bondi, Bongino Cash, I don't
think there's very much there. I think they're telling the
truth because if this were this is not an argument
over hey, one person wants to arrest eight people and
the other person is saying no. It's just an argument
(29:47):
about the communication. That has made this a bigger mushroom
cloud than it would have been if they had come
out and just said what I said to you, Hey,
we don't think there's much here, and I'm sorry and
I don't know what happened, and they screwed this up
and we just walked into the this mess. I think
people would have been more likely to accept it. Then Wow,
here you go. This is cut thirty five. The CNN
data analyst. You know, maybe the left is going to
(30:09):
realize this is actually a big deal on the right
and they're going to start trying to create more divisions here.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's something to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But CNN's data guy looking at what this has done
to Google.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Searches this week. This is cut thirty five play it.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What a massive unforced error by the Trump administration. Donald
Trump would love this story to go away, but in
fact interest is climbing hire and hire to quote Jackie Wilson,
look at this. Google searches for Epstein up twelve hundred
percent this week versus last and get this. It is
currently the top the top topic search with Trump on Google,
(30:48):
alongside his presidency. So Donald Trump normally, you know, leans in,
leans in the stories in which there's controversy, like Taris
for example. This is a story in which he's trying
to get away from basically saying why is anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Still interested in this story?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But the bottom line is people are very interested in
this story to historic degrees.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I mean, there you go. That's that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
People are interested in it to historic degrees. And again,
I think to your point, they're not going to get
people mad at Trump because he is uh out there
and he is arresting people. You know, they're trying to say, oh,
Ice is too powerful. We voted for this. I think
a lot of people said I voted for Jeffrey x
Epstein's victims to be prosecuted. And so this mess I
(31:37):
think is actually more destructive inside of the Trump his
co conspirator, his co conspirators to be prosecuted to get
justice for the victims. Yes, but inside of the Trump
voting base, this is actually a mess for Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Ice raids and uh and and.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Tax cuts and things like that, by and large, are
not If I had told you two months ago that
the trumpetman iss B two bomber strikes on Iranian nuclear
facilities would be a two day story and the DOJ's
handling Epstein files would be a five alarm fire at
least online in the news cycle for an entire week.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We just said that's not possible. I agree. Here we
are here. I wouldn't believed it. Here.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
Got good news.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I have good news in what has been a messy
week and certainly what has been a messy day, breaking
US governments have shocked expectations by delivering, according to end Wokeness,
a budget surplus in June of twenty twenty five, the
(34:34):
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month in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So there is something I hope.
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I hope this is not like changed later and they're like, actually, sorry,
we missed two.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Hundred and forty billion. You know, the counting gets off.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But the report out there right now is that in
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According to end wokeness. Good Twitter follow out there, so.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I like this from from Jeff by the way, hh
from South Carolina. Listen on radio play it.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
The only way that they can make this go away
now is Trump needs to get all the papers, everything
they got, and he needs to go in front of
American people tonight at nine o'clock say here it is.
It's all on this website.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Boom.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
That's the only way it's gonna That's the only way
we're gonna believe him.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We'll believe Trump if he shows us everything.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think I think Trump addressing everybody on this Clay
may maybe the only way that this really gets put
in the rear view and people feel like it has
been handled. You're right, I think that's where this is.
So now, the challenge on this is eat. I'm just
telling you, even if Trump says we have released everything,
(36:09):
it's all out there at the files, which I told
everybody was going to have a lot of nothing burgers
in it, and it did, so there's that. I think
the thing to keep in mind is, as I started
off the show with positivity, Hey, think about where we
could be one year ago Trump nearly killed on live television,
(36:30):
and think about how much progress we made I just said,
we got a budget surplus for the first time in
twenty years. Things are looking up. Stock market record highs.
Let's see how this thing goes. But undisputed mess relating
to the Epstein files this week.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Have a great weekend, everybody. Hugs for all of you.
Talk to you soon.
Welcome in final hour of the week Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We're about to be joined by Nicole Parker, former FBI
special agent, Fox News contributor. But want to fill you
in with a little bit of news, kind of significant
if you have been out and have not heard this yet.
(00:22):
First of all, Trump is on the ground in Texas
touring the flood ravaged areas around Kerrville. We will update
you on anything that comes from that visit if it
happens in this hour.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Just fyi. That is where the President is right now.
Breaking news.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
While the President has been traveling to Texas, there were
axios initially reported on a blow up inside of the
White House between FBI officials Dan Bongino, the Deputy Director
in particular, and the Attorney General Pam Bondi over the
(01:01):
way that information has been released surrounding the Epstein investigation.
There is a belief on the FBI side that the
AG's office, Pambondy in particular, has over promised and underdelivered
and not been great in terms of her communication on
this case. And there are now reports, according to our
(01:21):
friend Julie Kelly, who I believe is accurate. I trust
her reporting on this. That Dan Bongino may have said,
it's either her or me. That is the deputy director
of the FBI, maybe also Cash Bettel. We don't know
exactly how his position is impacted here. And Pambondi that
(01:42):
Trump needs to make a choice. It's either she stays
as ag or or Bongino stays in the FBI. Okay,
that is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Where we are.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Nicole Parker, you have heard us talking and discussing all
of this Epstein chaos. You used to work in the
FBI South Florida office, So let's start with that. To me,
the actual linchpin of all of this that has become
of a criminal nature starts with that investigation, and I
(02:13):
believe it was Acosta was the prosecutor there, appears to
have let Jeffrey Epstein off on a very sweetheart deal.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You're from the FBI office down in South Florida. What
do you think about the optics surrounding that initial part
of this story.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's a very important element of what's been going on.
I'm just going to full disclosure. I don't represent anyone
but my own personal opinions. Based on my experience as
a special agent with the FBI. I'll make that very clear.
I never sensationalized things. I just tell the fact. Sometimes
it comes across as boring, but I just tell it
like it is based on my perspective. I have never
been a big follower of the Epstein story from the
(02:58):
civilian side of life. I was a special agent with
the FBI and the Miami Division in the Southern District
of Florida, and as we know, Palm Beach is in
the area of responsibility of FBI Miami. Prior to my
joining the FBI, this case was going on. This dates
back to the early two thousands and so I do
(03:20):
think it's important for your listeners to remember how much
history there is here. This is a sick, disgusting, evil,
and abhorrent man who abused and trafficked miners for years
and so again, going back, like you said, it was
back in two thousand and eight, actually a very controversial
plea deal was signed with the US Attorney in the
(03:43):
Southern District of Florida, alex Acosta, involving the locals as well.
And basically, if we go back, it was May of
two thousand and six, that the state Attorney in the
state of Florida, Barry Kushner, charged Epstein with one count
of soliciting prostitution. Palm Beach Law Enforcement Palm beat Sheriff's
(04:03):
office was concerned about how that was handled. They reported
the information to the FBI FBI Miami Division in July
of two thousand and six, so it was referred to
the FBI. They launched a full investigation. Again, I was
not at the FBI at that time, but I can
tell you that when I joined, I spoke to agents
that were extremely frustrated with how much work the FBI
(04:25):
did and it was not charged by you know, we
all know that the Department of Justice makes the proscctorial decisions. Again,
this is dating back to two thousand and six. In
June of two thousand and seven, it was actually a
US attorney Alex Acosta. At the time, he was actually
preparing a fifty three page indictment against Epstein, Right, so
(04:47):
all these FBI agents that have been working so hard
are like, oh good, you know he's going to be
held accountable as he should. They did a thorough investigation,
and then in October of two thousand and seven, the
US attorney or that seems jorneys, and they signed a
non prosecution agreement and they it was like a sweetheart
deal that he was able to plead guilty to two
fellowy prosecution charges. As we know, in comparison to a
(05:10):
sex trafficking charge, that's a little slap on the wrist.
As we've seen with the Diddy case. What did he
got convicted of is a slap on their wrist compared
to the other charges that he faced. So in June
two thousand and eight, Epstein please guilty to the two
lesser counts and he's sentenced to eighteen months in jail. Again,
slap on their wrist. He reports to the Palm County Jail.
(05:31):
He's released early. And in July of twenty nineteen, it
resurfaces because they're victims, real victims of this heinous crime,
multiple heinous crimes of this man, and they come forward
and with the Me Too movement, it brought a lot
of interest, and those victims never had justice served properly
(05:54):
for what occurred to them. And again, as an FBI
agent who has worked these types of the investigations, your
number one priority is the victim. They have rights, they
should be protected, and I appreciate that they resurface this investigation.
Southern District of New York goes in and in July
(06:15):
of twenty nineteen, Epstein was arrested at the Teterborough, New
Jersey airport as he was coming in from a trip
from Paris, and he was charged with sex trafficking of
minor girls and a conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. And
it dates all the way back to two thousand and
two to two thousand and five, trafficking in Florida Palm
Beach area as well as his New York residence. So
(06:39):
women started coming forward even after he was charged. Over
a dozen women come forward, and the FBI says, hey,
if you are a victim of this monster, basically, please
come forward, and over a dozen women came forward. So
again he has over one thousand victims of this nasty, abhorrent,
evil thing that he had been doing for years. And
(07:00):
we all know he was arrested, he went to jail,
and then in August of twenty nineteen, before he even
went to trial, that is the when he was found
dead in his jail cell in federal prison. And at
the time, the FBI does a full investigation it was
ruled that it was a suicide by hanging. There were
a lot of people that did not necessarily agree with that.
(07:25):
We all know that the bottom girl in a sex
trafficking ring, they're the bottom girl. She's basically the one
that recruits the victims, and that we all know is Maxwell,
and she was arrested in twenty twenty. She was the
one that helped to recruit these miners underage girls. And
in December of twenty twenty one, she was found guilty
after a four week trial, and she started her prison sentence,
(07:50):
a twenty year federal prison sentence. She started in June
of twenty twenty two. And again, we all know this
is a highly controversial case. It was not handled properly
in the first place. And again this is prior to
me joining the FBI, but upon my arrival in the
Southern District of Florida, there were agents that we're extremely
(08:11):
frustrated with how this is handled, even back into the
early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What do you think's going on now, Nicole. We've had
a lot of people very upset after the memo release
on Sunday. Now I'm seeing the latest breaking news is
that Deputy Director Bongino, according to Kyle Becker on Twitter,
here has taken a leave of absence. I don't even
know if that's official or if that's just what people
are saying, but obviously there's something going on here.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
What do you think's going on?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Again? I am always hesitant to speak out of turn
because I don't speak unless I know the facts. I
do not know the facts of those you know, thoughts
that people are putting out there are what people know.
I have not spoken to Dan Bongino. I have not spoken,
so that would be inappropriate for me to make a statement.
I'm not going to do that. But what I do
know is that the FBI has been accused for years
(09:08):
of not being transparent, right. I mean, I left the
FBI because I did not agree with a lot of
the things. I thought it had been politically and socially weaponized,
and I thought that the FBI should be more transparent.
And I think that coming in with I think that
is the goal and it is a high priority of
Cashpitel of Dan Bongin now of Pam Bondi. These are
people that have been so frustrated, especially under the Biden administration,
(09:32):
with a lack of transparency. Americans are the taxpayers. At
the end of the day, they are our boss. And
when I was an FBI agent, it was a taxpayer
that was my boss, right And so I think that
they've made a conscious effort to be transparent. I think
the fact that they put this memo out, they reviewed things,
and I understand that people are very frustrated, and you know, well,
this is what the expectation was, and this is what
(09:54):
it is. And you know I again.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay, I want to step appreciate that Nicole Parker, formerly
FBI and with Fox News, thank you for joining and
sharing your opinion on it. Thank you, that's Nicole Parker.
Appreciate that today's the last. By the way, load up
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. Friday edition of the program.
You just heard from Nicole Parker, former FBI agent in
South Florida.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Again, all of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
This starting with an FBI investigation that took place in
South Florida, and CNN has now climbed on the Bongino
is threatening to resign train, and so I think this
thing is officially out of the U, out of the
(12:05):
proverbial what a go to be like the holding pattern
here Caitlin Collins saying it's accurate, Bongino has told people
he's considering resigning. Hard to overstate the infighting happening right now,
and it is continuing to grow.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So positive, let's be positive. It is Friday.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Is it possible, in your opinion, Buck, that Trump, like
a dad, can call the crew back into an Oval
office meeting or a meeting somewhere in the White House,
say hey, I want both of you to stay on,
and I don't want to have to make a decision
between either or here or once all this goes public,
(12:49):
does it become requisite effectively that Trump has to make
a decision And the first real significant departure, I would say,
of Trump two point zero is underway. If it's the
attorney general, who is ostensibly the boss of everyone in
the Department of Justice, that is a huge position to
have to feel to fill, particularly given that even most
(13:13):
presidents deal with a lot of issues. But there's constant
legal turmoil surrounding Trump because the resistance two point zero
is primarily coming from the judiciary.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, man, it's uh, it's been it's been a rough week.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's been a tough week because that, I will say,
let's get uh, we got to call her Charles and
do we already take Charles? I'm sorry, Trump, Charles in
South Florida walks away and what's up Charles? Hey, gentlemen,
t gif um not a big fan of Pam Bondy.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I want to put my name in for Greg Jarrett
for a new.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ag Okay, go well, Trump probably likes Greg Jarrett because
he's on Fox News all the time talking about legal
related issues, which doesn't hurt because there's a bunch of
former Fox News people in the cabinet. I don't know
that we need to get into handicapping who the new
attorney general should be. But let me say this, Bucks,
see if you would sign on with this. I think
(14:08):
what is interesting here is there is not actually a
disagreement about what is actually in the Epstein files. I
think Pambondi, Cash Betel, and Dan Bongino have reviewed these
files and there is, in their opinion, not prosecutable evidence
inside of the files. How do you tell people that
(14:29):
there is not prosecutable evidence in the files? And secondarily,
will they believe you no matter what they say after
the comments that abide, I think an important, important addendum
or a clarification on that clay is that there's not
not evidence to prosecute beyond Epstein, who is dead. Is
(14:50):
the point, because people right now are are they saying
that there were no crime? No, No one's saying they're
no crimes. Gonna mean Epstein was going to spend the
rest of his life in a cell. Everybody knows it.
That's why he died, Okay, you know, killed himself. That's
why whatever happened there happened because he was gone or
he was going to be gone in a cell for
the rest of his life. So it's not that there's
(15:12):
not evidence of Epstein's extreme crimes.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
There's more. There's tons of evidence.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Of Epstein's extreme crimes, but people are asking about crimes
beyond that, and they're saying that they don't have that information.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Dershowitz seems to be suggesting pretty clearly in that SoundBite
we played that they do have more information than they
have shared, but perhaps it is not information of any
crimes committed and would only be destructive or defamatory to
reputations of people who may not be guilty of any crimes.
(15:47):
And that's where everyone's getting real testy, and that's where
they're real you know, because well, if there are one
hundred people on a list and five of them did
really horrible stuff, but you don't know which five, does
the DJ release the list of the one hundred people?
I mean, I think that's essentially the conundrum in which
the DOJFBI situation is right now. I could be wrong,
(16:11):
but that's what I think is going on. Is they're
not releasing everything because a lot of people didn't do
anything wrong and they'll be named, and there are some
people who did things that are wrong, but they can't
prove it. So what's the point of releasing all the names?
I think that may be where this is and that's
why a part of me, and again it's messy, and unfortunately,
(16:31):
as you just said, there's going to be a lot
of people who are sort of caught in the shrapnel
of the Epstein explosion. A part of me just thinks
you got to release everything. And here's the problem with that,
because of the promises that have been made about Epstein prosecutions.
Even if you release everything, there's going to be a
(16:53):
lot of people who say, I don't believe it. They
didn't actually release everything. So you're almost in unless you,
I don't know, purple walk Bill Clinton out and Bill
Gates and other guys that have been associated with Epstein
in any way in handcuffs. Many of those people are
not going to be satisfied. So I think Trump is
(17:13):
in a tough spot here, honestly. And if he's got
his FBI and his Attorney General's office feuding with each
other and potentially saying it's me or her, then I
mean he's This is why you're the president. The tough
decisions get brought to your desk, and it's much more
serious than this. But your analogy of it's kind of
(17:34):
like the Apprentice. Two people sit across the resolute desk
and make an argument about why they deserve to continue to.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Have their job. It's kind of like that. I think
that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't see how all three of the big names
involved at the top of the Trump justice apparatus, meaning DOJFBI.
I don't see how they all continue to work together
after this. I don't see how that's possible. Really, that's
the problem. Yeah, too much of a distraction out of
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see things like here we go. But so you'd have
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to be a YouTube watcher to see this. Whoops, make
sure I got a good grip.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
We're just bringing in a baby. So it's been a
tough show.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
There's lots of infighting, there's lots of mess going on,
and so Buck.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was like, oh, that is an amazingly cute little baby. Here.
How old is James now? James James Speed is three
months old today.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Actually, so this is the if you're like, wait a minute,
you're just shifting stories.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
This is what babies are for.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They helped to make people happier so we have just
brought in a three month old baby. By the way,
you will see this if you go subscribe at Clay
and Buck. A thousand of you yesterday went and did
this after Buck promised that you would get to see
his firstborn. Right there is a super cute, awesome little
baby boy. So our relative, the former Attorney general, look
(20:26):
at that under Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That is awesome. So there you will see this on
YouTube if you probably will put it up at clayanbuck
dot com. As we roll into the weekend, I think
we just needed we just needed a moment with a
baby positivity. Bring a baby, Okay, So on Trump. Trump
is in Texas dealing with the flood aftermath of the disaster,
(20:53):
which started off this week, maybe because this is a Friday,
the fact that everywhere is the report. Now, we started
it off about an hour and a half ago, I
would say we were probably ahead of the curve and
letting you know that this was potentially going to be
an issue. And if you just getting in your car,
you're just starting off your day, you haven't been paying
attention to the news reports that Deputy FBI Director Dan
(21:17):
Bongino has said it's basically either me or Attorney General
Pam Bondi over the fallout surrounding the Epstein investigation. There's
a belief that on the side of the FBI that
Attorney General Pambondy has over promised and under delivered. And
(21:38):
do we have the audio? Did Greg pull the audio
for us yet? Of these clips that have gone megaviral
of Pam Bondi saying basically, hey, these files are on
my desk, and trying to walk back what she has said.
We know that they had the binder surrounding everything that
was put out there. Okay, let me just this is
(22:00):
a flashback first cut thirty three. Here, this is February
twenty first twenty twenty five. Pam Bondi says, the Epstein
client list is sitting on my desk right now. This
was on Fox News America's newsroom, John Roberts asking the questions.
She's tried to say she didn't mean the actual list,
(22:22):
but this is what they talk about when they say
over promise, under deliver Cut thirty three DJ maybe releasing
the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients, Well, that really happen.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It's sitting on my desk. Right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm
reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process
of being reviewed because that was done at the directive
of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
So so have you seen anything there? You said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay, good follow up to be fair by John Roberts.
And again, the client list and the Epstein list and
all these things. List is a very interesting phrase, right,
because what is the list consist of? Is it people
who flew on the airplane, which can be legal?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A lot of people can't have legally flown on the airplane,
which I read did six hundred trips a year or something.
I mean, this was a jet that he had that
flew everywhere. Was it client list, meaning he invested with people,
many of whom may have known nothing about his private life.
So that's a mess. But it implicated and certainly implied
(23:35):
that there was going to be a release and that
there would be some consequences for people who might have
engaged in crimes alongside of Epstein. That was cut one.
That's February twenty first. She then said on our friend
Sean Hannity Show. This was in March that the Epstein
client list was sitting on her desk and that it
was a truckload, a truckload of documents.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is cut thirty four.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Listen, you're looking at these dot It's going these aren't
all the Epstein files. You know, there were flight logs,
there were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's
the rest of the stuff. And that's what the FBI
had turned over to us. And so a source said, oh,
all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of
New York. So based on that, I gave them the
deadline Friday at eight, a truckload of evidence arrive. It's
(24:22):
now in the possession of the FBI. Cash is going
to get me and himself really a detailed report as
to why all these documents and evidence had been withheld,
and you know, we're going to go through it, go
through it as fast as we can, but go through
it very cautiously to protect all the victims of Epstein,
because there are a lot of victims.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, truckload of documents evidence sitting on my desk. And
then to your point, Buck, suddenly on Sunday they come
out and say, hey, yeah, there's no real prosecutable evidence here,
and let's just move on. And a lot of people
have said, record scratch moment, what are you talking about.
We heard what you said February. We heard what you
said in March. I'm talking about Attorney General Pam BONDI.
(25:04):
How in the world can you now tell us truckloads
of documents stuff sitting on your desk. Oh, there's nothing here.
It's a mess. She over promised and has under delivered,
and that is a huge issue. Well, we would say
under any other circumstance that the public's faith and trust
in the Attorney General and more broadly in the Department
of Justice is important. It's not just about making the
(25:27):
right decision. It's about the perception that the right decisions
are being made and can be trusted.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So there's what you do, and there's also how the
people feel about what's going on. And you know the
fact that all you have to know is the fact
that we've got as many people as riled up as
they are right now. And I'm not disparaging it because
I understand the frustration and I understand the sense of
hiding the football or the political whiplash, because it's there,
(25:56):
it's real, and this has happened.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
This.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I could not believe the Sunday Manta when I read it,
and I mean, you can all see it's public record.
My first response was because they said there's no blackmail,
I'm like, I fundamentally do not believe that there was
no blackmail going on.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I do not believe we agree that. I think that
he blackmailed people.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like by the way, there's a difference between we don't
have the evidence to prove something, which I think this
is so important. I think that they walked into a
mess here. I think there might have been evidence in
the past. You just heard Nicole Parker talking about this
the first prosecution. You and I were talking about this
off air. You know, a guy is sleeping with underage kids, right,
(26:36):
and you give him thirteen months home confinement the first
I'm talking about the first punishment, which was twenty eighteen
or whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
How does that happen? You got people you know this, But.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Like when I practice criminal law, I knew a guy
in the US Virgin Islands who slept with a girl
that pretended she was eighteen and she was like seventeen
or something. He was twenty two. He went to prison.
She lies, She had a fake ID. Everybody's like, what
Bartender meets her like they sleep together. She lied about
(27:11):
who she was.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
She lied. He went to prison.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
One one interaction, and you're telling me, this guy in
Florida is sleeping with lots of girls under the age
of eighteen, under the age of consent. So some of
them are some of them were hold on, some of
them were also, like because I saw the documentary about
this and like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thirteen or fourteen as well.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I mean, really, age of consent is eighteen in Florida,
so well under the age of consent. And he got
home confinement. That is a record scratch moment. Now, that
happened all the way back in eighteen, right, and it
was not am I correcting that it was two thousand.
Maybe it was even earlier than that. I want to
make sure I get the year right of the initial prosecution.
(27:53):
Then he was re arrested after he had already served
the home confinement penalty. Well, he was arrested because the
Miami Herald actually did an investigation and it became more
public what was going on. And then I think they
looked into it and realized, not only did he get
off with a shockingly light approach the first time, he
(28:15):
kept doing this stuff. Yeah, that's right, doing it my
apology question. There was a massive failure of justice of
the DOJ system here. By the way, I want to
correct the year. So the second arrest, he was arrested
a second time, and I know Nicole ran through this,
but in twenty nineteen, in two thousand and five, they
(28:36):
started the investigation. So, I mean, who was president in
two thousand and freaking five, George W.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Bush?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Right, I mean we're talking about something twenty years ago
that was initially investigated. He pled guilty, sorry, I said,
twenty eighteen, two thousand and eight to Florida State Court
and just got thirteen months as a basically home confinement
work release that was going on.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean, that's nothing. And then he got re arrested
in the middle of the me too.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
After people went back and looked and said, what in
the world, how did this guy get such favorable treatment.
So again, the first investigation, the one that happened twenty
years ago, how does that happen? How does a guy
dead to rights get off on that level of lenient treatment.
That's a question that I think goes to the essence now.
(29:26):
But the problem I think buck is by the time
these guys get into office, Bondi, Bongino Cash, I don't
think there's very much there. I think they're telling the
truth because if this were this is not an argument
over hey, one person wants to arrest eight people and
the other person is saying no. It's just an argument
(29:47):
about the communication. That has made this a bigger mushroom
cloud than it would have been if they had come
out and just said what I said to you, Hey,
we don't think there's much here, and I'm sorry and
I don't know what happened, and they screwed this up
and we just walked into the this mess. I think
people would have been more likely to accept it. Then Wow,
here you go. This is cut thirty five. The CNN
data analyst. You know, maybe the left is going to
(30:09):
realize this is actually a big deal on the right
and they're going to start trying to create more divisions here.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's something to be aware of.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But CNN's data guy looking at what this has done
to Google.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Searches this week. This is cut thirty five play it.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What a massive unforced error by the Trump administration. Donald
Trump would love this story to go away, but in
fact interest is climbing hire and hire to quote Jackie Wilson,
look at this. Google searches for Epstein up twelve hundred
percent this week versus last and get this. It is
currently the top the top topic search with Trump on Google,
(30:48):
alongside his presidency. So Donald Trump normally, you know, leans in,
leans in the stories in which there's controversy, like Taris
for example. This is a story in which he's trying
to get away from basically saying why is anyone.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Still interested in this story?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But the bottom line is people are very interested in
this story to historic degrees.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I mean, there you go. That's that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
People are interested in it to historic degrees. And again,
I think to your point, they're not going to get
people mad at Trump because he is uh out there
and he is arresting people. You know, they're trying to say, oh,
Ice is too powerful. We voted for this. I think
a lot of people said I voted for Jeffrey x
Epstein's victims to be prosecuted. And so this mess I
(31:37):
think is actually more destructive inside of the Trump his
co conspirator, his co conspirators to be prosecuted to get
justice for the victims. Yes, but inside of the Trump
voting base, this is actually a mess for Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Ice raids and uh and and.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Tax cuts and things like that, by and large, are
not If I had told you two months ago that
the trumpetman iss B two bomber strikes on Iranian nuclear
facilities would be a two day story and the DOJ's
handling Epstein files would be a five alarm fire at
least online in the news cycle for an entire week.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We just said that's not possible. I agree. Here we
are here. I wouldn't believed it. Here.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You want a positive, buck, as I get ready to
read this, let me give you a positive. Well, you
know what, I'm going to save the positive. I want
to give you good news going into the weekend. I've
got a good news story for everybody as we headed
into the weekend. But first I want to tell you, look,
how much do you want to protect and preserve the
memories that you and your family have created over the years.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I bet you do a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
We just had July fourth, how many July fourths have
you had great cookouts, great barbecues, great fireworks at celebrations.
How many of those are on vhs? How many of
those are old school on pictures. How many different places
out there are your family memories distributed? And how many
of them Well, frankly, they aren't on digital at all,
(33:02):
and they aren't.
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Speaker 7 (34:02):
Just trying to tell everybody about what's going on in
the news today. It's been quite a day, and we
wanted to give you a little bit of Theclaire, You're
gonna do a little sunshine time.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Got good news.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I have good news in what has been a messy
week and certainly what has been a messy day, breaking
US governments have shocked expectations by delivering, according to end Wokeness,
a budget surplus in June of twenty twenty five, the
(34:34):
first time the government has not borrowed money in a
month in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So there is something I hope.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I hope this is not like changed later and they're like, actually, sorry,
we missed two.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Hundred and forty billion. You know, the counting gets off.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But the report out there right now is that in
June of twenty twenty five, we showed and I'm sharing
this right now, I just retweeted it a budget surplus
of twenty six billion dollars, which is the first budget
surplus that the United States government has reported in twenty years.
According to end wokeness. Good Twitter follow out there, so.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I like this from from Jeff by the way, hh
from South Carolina. Listen on radio play it.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
The only way that they can make this go away
now is Trump needs to get all the papers, everything
they got, and he needs to go in front of
American people tonight at nine o'clock say here it is.
It's all on this website.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Boom.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
That's the only way it's gonna That's the only way
we're gonna believe him.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We'll believe Trump if he shows us everything.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think I think Trump addressing everybody on this Clay
may maybe the only way that this really gets put
in the rear view and people feel like it has
been handled. You're right, I think that's where this is.
So now, the challenge on this is eat. I'm just
telling you, even if Trump says we have released everything,
(36:09):
it's all out there at the files, which I told
everybody was going to have a lot of nothing burgers
in it, and it did, so there's that. I think
the thing to keep in mind is, as I started
off the show with positivity, Hey, think about where we
could be one year ago Trump nearly killed on live television,
(36:30):
and think about how much progress we made I just said,
we got a budget surplus for the first time in
twenty years. Things are looking up. Stock market record highs.
Let's see how this thing goes. But undisputed mess relating
to the Epstein files this week.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Have a great weekend, everybody. Hugs for all of you.
Talk to you soon.
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