January 9, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we don't usually expect that we will get in
depth first Amendment or any amendments analysis on the view.
Not usually something I'd go to for my constitutional assessment.
(00:21):
But they had quite a squabble on the side of
the view yesterday which I wanted to return to for
a moment. But let me just set up why. First off,
they they were talking about Facebook getting rid of the
regime of censorship that it had built over years, which
(00:43):
included the number that I saw, Clay was a total
of forty thousand. Did you see that forty thousand different
people involved in fact checking at Facebook?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, I didn't see that number, but that is an
insane number of people.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's what I saw.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I mean to me, it seems like that's how is
that that's not full time jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Those are people that would do it for a period
of time.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But I think it's fair to say that's a lot
of fact checkers, or they had a lot of fact checkers.
Maybe that was on you know, that was online. I
don't know, maybe it was less than that, but they
use a lot of third party is the problem with X.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
People write these great things they go viral.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'll check and see how many facts, how many fact
checkers they had over at Facebook and get your real number.
I mean, it was definitely thousands. I think that's for sure,
just based on the size of the program.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But they were running, and they would work.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
With these different partner entities and stuff. Anyway, the left
is very upset about this. Democrats are very upset about this.
They've gotten used to operating in a world where they
can pretend that they care about the First Amendment, but
also that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The First Amendment protects feelings.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And I am quite certain the First Amendment does not
protet text feelings, because if it did, it would protect nothing.
And this is something I don't know. If they just
don't teach this at school anymore, I don't know what
it is. The Democrats have almost a collective amnesia clay,
or a collective ignorance that's mandatory about the First Amendment. Specifically,
(02:19):
they pretend like they don't get that the First Amendment
has to be for speech that is unpopular, for speech
that bothers people or else. There's no need, right, you know, yes,
if the First Amendment just covers me talking about how
much I like ice, cream. I mean, no one really cares.
That's not going to be a problem. The view things
got a little testy. I want you to hear that,
(02:41):
but also try to pick out some of the ways
that they're making these arguments, or some of the keys
to their argument.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Play it every.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Speech directed at them, every ding one is finished the
sentence here anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Okay, No, I think the point LESSA is making here
is she is a freak.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
She speaks very well for.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Hers No, but.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And I'm not doing it all.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Acts like her First Street free speech when it's the
things we like.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
When somebody wants.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
To defend.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That isn't I don't want.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
You call me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I don't want to be able to limits.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Comedy does push limits, but be smarter in your comedy.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
You don't need to offend me to be funny.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't need to offend.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You to be fun and so often offensive.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, no, not flushing, that's actually not necessarily to.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Okay, Clay a couple a couple of things. I wanted
to push this to you because I know you're a
big First Amendment guy. Uh, you have Whoopy Goldberg, who's
basically built her career as a as a comedian and
actress first before she was doing the view saying that,
you know, comedy shouldn't make fun of like it shouldn't
be offensive to anybody, which is quite aligned it. And
(03:52):
then you have Sunny Houston in her usual bitter tone,
and she and I watched this whole debate. It was
about eight or ten minutes long of a segment she
keeps taking the perspective hate speech is not free speech,
or hate speech is not covered. And to me, this
is where we just run into this constant like brick
wall of the left and their lack of understanding here. No, actually,
(04:16):
words that are mean are protected under the First Amendment.
Like things that are mean are whether they're you know,
something that I would support or not, or you would
support or not, doesn't matter. That is actually free speech,
and they just don't want. I mean, the example they
gave was you're now allowed to say that if somebody
is transgender, you think they have mental illness on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That was one of the things they talked about.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Why shouldn't you be able to make that argument If
you believe that argument is true, you should be able
to make that argument.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Facebook used to ban that, and they think that that's
free speech.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah. Look what I think Sonny Hostin, who is incredibly
dumb is trying to argue and doing it poorly, is
you don't have the right to threaten to kill someone. Right.
That is not protected speech.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
There are certain limits to free speech, even for someone
like me who is a free speech absolutist. When death
threats came to my house, I want the person making
those death threats to me to be prosecuted. And if
you threaten to kill my kids or you threaten to
kill my wife, I want you to be prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
There are limits to free speech, but offense, as will
Be Goldberg tries to argue, cannot be the limit because
who decides what the line is for being offended? And
I'm really disappointed will Be gold I can't believe I
have to say this. I'm really disappointed in woop Be
Goldberg as a comedian because comedy sometimes hurts. The best
(05:43):
jokes sometimes offend people in the community, and often, and
I'll use Dave Chappelle as an example, often comedians are
able to further national discourse by using satire, hyperbole, ridicule,
and yes, sometimes by being offensive in a way that
a traditional argument might not, and so whoopee Goldberg should
(06:08):
know that, and the argument of you have best comedians
should never have to offend. Okay, look, I love my
friend Nate BARGATSI. I think he's one of the most
talented comedians working right now. I told you recently, Buck,
you and carry should watch him. He's a clean comedian.
His goal is to appeal to everybody. That's great. But
(06:28):
I also really like watching Dave Chappelle and I wouldn't
let my ten year old watch it. I go back
and watch Raw with Eddie Murphy. Oh my goodness. I mean,
that's one of the greatest stand up acts. Richard Pryor,
There are a lot, George Carlin, there are a lot
of people who have said what is considered to be
offensive things in the furtherance of comedy. And I'll defend
(06:49):
Alyssa Fara Griffin here because she's right on the edges
of free speech is often where some of the best
arguments are made. So this actually ties in with tomorrow.
The TikTok case is being heard in front of the
Supreme Court, and I actually think it's gotten very little attention,
but it is to me one of the most fascinating
(07:11):
cases of Supreme Court has taken in some time because
of the inherent contradictions here. Your position, and I think
I'm synthesizing it pretty well, is TikTok shouldn't be restricted,
it should exist. And you point out like you're not
going on for political opinions, like you're learning how to
see our stake better and you enjoy TikTok. My position
(07:32):
is somewhere in the middle here. I don't think TikTok
should be banned, but I think it should be treated
as a major media company in the United States would,
And so my positions a little. If I were on
the Supreme Court, this is the way I would analyze it.
We wouldn't allow a for at China. A Chinese billionaire
couldn't buy The New York Times, We wouldn't allow that
(07:54):
to happen. A Chinese billionaire couldn't buy Fox News, we
wouldn't allow that to happen. We require media companies that
are based in the United States typically to be owned
by American media American citizens. That's not uncommon, that exists
all over the world. So that's point one. I think
this TikTok should be owned. TikTok America should be owned
(08:17):
by an American entity. My point two would be China
in particular will not allow Twitter or Facebook or Google
or YouTube to compete in their country. Why should we
allow Chinese companies to compete in our country? Now, that's
complicated because it's kind of a nuanced take on it,
(08:39):
in between the ban and in between the forced sell
or complete free speech. But that's where I would come
down on this. I have no idea what Supreme Court's
going to do, but it's going to be an incredibly
compelling and important decision that they render. My concern is
that a lot of people on the Supreme Court have
no idea how modern media works, and so asking a
(09:02):
seventy five year old who doesn't understand social media to
try to make a ruling on TikTok is complicated. And
I'll give you an example on this buck When I
was in law school, one of my law school professors,
actually my con law professor, was a former Supreme Court clerk,
and she used to tell a story about the judge
that she worked for. They were working late one night
and they ordered pizza and they were all sitting around
(09:24):
eating the pizza, and the Supreme Court justice walked in
and said, my goodness, what is on the pizza here?
And the clerks were like, that's a Pepperoni. Like the
judge had never seen a Pepperoni pizza in his life,
and she just remembered thinking life experience when you got
a seventy five or an eighty year old guy who's
sitting around trying to judge what's going on in the
(09:46):
culture and he's never even seen a Pepperoni pizza in
his life. I don't know that any of these judges
really understand social media, so I'm nervous and apprehensive about
their ability to really understand the nuances of this case
in a detailed way. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Is Pepperoni the king of all pizza toppings? I'm going
to go super off the board here. I'm gonna go
all the pineapple and head.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, no, I'm not gonna go pineapple. First of all,
to your general question, if you have a kid party
to throw, Pepperoni and cheese are the only options that
should be available for every kid party. Anybody listening to
me right now knows that I am correct. Those are
the two options. Having said that my go to and
(10:33):
I might be the only person in America who's I'm
gonna sound like you when it comes to the pistachio
ice cream. Here, I'm ready for the slings and arrows
of the listening audience. I go jalapeno mushroom. That is
my favorite type of Oh. I know, I see your face,
and I know I know a lot of people don't
trust me anymore. I know a lot of you are
nodding as long as I analyze TikTok, and you're like, yeah,
(10:54):
that's really it, and now I just said it, and
now you don't trust me at all.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
An office part, the jalapeno mushroom is the pie that's
always got plenty of slices.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
At the end, I'm saying for myself personally. You asked
if I order, and my family hates it. It's the
only my pizza buy itself. I think the premiere pizza
is jalipino and mushroom on the as the toppings on
the pizza.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Guys, I don't even know what to tell you here.
I know, I know I've lost America.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I did.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I tried to guide him into the into the shining
lights of uh pepperoni, perhaps sausage.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You know a little bit of sausage on there. Very nice.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'd even take some people like a little bit of broccoli,
extra cheese. There's a bunch of things you could do here.
You can start getting into the buffalo chicken. I mean,
you get in the fancy pipe.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
There's a lot of like super fancy like buck Sexton
style pizzas I understand are out there. You're like the
lobster pizza is the greatest pizza of all. You put
a little bit of uh, you know what I like
is truffles on top of my pizza. But you know,
in the in the general like option ordering, I understand
that I am in the extreme minority with hallopeen year.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Are the guys saying is New York saying pistachio pizzas?
That's not a thing. They don't put pistachio nuts on
pizza today. No, Oh, they're saying, I should make it
a thing. You guys are nuts, just saying you guys
are nuts, no pun intended. Look what I did there, Hey,
that's very good, very good. We're going to get back
(12:25):
into news and important things here in a second. I
just thought that the view, the discussion of it was kind.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Of no that's great, and I think it ties in
with TikTok. And by the way, you're going to win
every discussion for the rest of the show. Because I've
alienated the entire American listening audience. I don't know that
there's anybody else out there who's like, it's maybe five
percent of the population.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That a family friend reached out to me over the
holidays to say that he really enjoys the show, but
he's very mad at me for all the criticism that
I do. And then he names some foot ball program
and I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about,
(13:05):
and so I had the family respond and he goes, oh,
you're the other one.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I was like, I assure you're the other one. I
think it was Florida Central or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
There was like something you were saying something bad about
a Florida team. You were trashing some Florida football team,
and I just thought it was funny because I was
getting He was like kind of upset. He's like, you're
being really unfair to my Have you been bashing some
Florida team?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, I want a state basically had the worst year. Sorry, Semino.
Seminole fans driving around they're having a good Seminal fan
see this as a Seminal fan. He said, you're being
too rough on his semine. Well, there they went to
and ten. I mean, I don't know how what you
know when you go to and ten, it's tough to
be very favorable. Also, I have been critical of the Dolphins,
but more in the sense that I just feel sad
(13:48):
for everyone who's a Miami Dolphin fan because basically, since
Dan Marino retired like twenty five years ago, whatever the math,
thirty years ago, basically your franchise hasn't mattered. So Dolphin
fan actually understand. It's why they're still running around in
those number thirteen jerseys. But that could I think I've
taken shots in both directions, North Florida and South Florida
(14:08):
at those two teams.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It was it was Seminoles and it was funny because I,
you know, I was like, I'm definitely not too hard
on the Seminoles O line, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What you're talking about. Anyway, learn something new.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
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Speaker 6 (15:24):
News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay
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Speaker 2 (15:35):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Poor producer
Greg just getting absolutely obliterated over my pizza take. I
let him over the middle Buck in his sports analogy.
He's streeching, stretching out his arms. The phones are always
ringing NonStop, but he is just getting lacerated right now
with my with my pizza take. And I apologize for that.
(16:00):
By the way, one bit of news for people in LA.
And we'll come back and maybe continue to talk about
all the issues going on that Jimmy Carter funeral, the
continued fallout of the awful wildfires in LA. But they
had to cancel. I know this is relatively small in
the grand scheme of things, but I think it speaks
to the significance of the issues in LA. They canceled
(16:23):
the Lakers game tonight, which they ordinarily would not be doing.
But the Lakers play in downtown Los Angeles, which obviously
is surrounded by some of these communities that are dealing
with the fire. Downtown has not. But I do think
the fact that they've canceled the game in the Staples
Center gives you some indication of how bad things have
(16:44):
gotten there that they wouldn't be able to play a
basketball game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yes, they don't have the situation under control by a
long shot.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And the video and the photos that we've seen of
the devastation are I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I don't know if anybody really has.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It looks absolutely apocalyptic on some of these photos. When
you see in some of the shots that you see
from helicopters, Yeah, it looks.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like an area that had been firebombed from the sky,
you know, in a war. And that's and it's thousands
of acres. I think somebody shared out that if Manhattan
is something like fourteen thousand acres, seventeen thousand acres has
been completely burned and destroyed by the fire.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
In total so far.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So it's a very large and this is a place
where a lot of people live, a lot of homes,
particularly a lot of very high end homes in the
Palisades and very expensive homes. So the rebuild is also
something that I know Adam Krolla was talking to about
talking to us about yesterday, that if people choose to rebuild,
will take years and the whole community is just going
(17:48):
to be uprooted, and it's a different place now. It's crazy,
no doubt.
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Speaker 3 (18:54):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
More and more information coming out about how things have
been run in recent years of at the La City
Fire Department. Christopher Rufo sharing this, The La City Fire
Department has an entire equity Bureau which hopes to advance
DEI within the fire service, and last year LAFD cut
(19:19):
seven million dollars from the overtime budget, which impacted air
operations and disaster response, but kept the DEI department. And
then John Lefevre, who's also formerly of Goldman Sachs Elevator
and he's an author.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He shared that the because this stuff is all public,
Like even when I was at the NYPD, my salary
you could look it up online.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
These things are, you know, public record.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
The Fire Assistant Chief for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in
twenty twenty three for total pay and benefits made four
hundred and forty seven thousand dollars, So you know, you
got people that are are getting paid really well. To
do really worthless things in the name of DEI in
(20:05):
that department.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Were one hundred and forty k buck for a dude
who's in charge of DEI at the fire department.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, I understand now why some people are so
devoted to DEI within the system. That's great money for
a make believe job. You know what I'm saying that
that's a job that you could sit there.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That's insane taxpayer funded job. That's more tho. You know
you're out there right now. And there's been a lot
of criticism of senators and congress people for wanting a
pay raise buck that's almost triple what a congressman makes
or a senator.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
To be Obama, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know, Michelle Obama back in like two thousand and
six was making close to three hundred grand as a
diversity educator at a hospital.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
In Chicago, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm going into the memory banks here, but making really
good money to do something that isn't needing to be done.
But yeah, you know again, play's just still upset that
she didn't go to the funeral so well in his.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Bonnet give bondt right, I'm still fired up. But we
got the clip Karen Bass. Yeah, yeah, Karen Bass.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well with the Karen Bass here and here she is
getting a little testy because she realizes the heat is on.
People feel like this has not been an acceptable response.
Here she is battling it out with the with the
the journals play thirty two. What explains this lack of
preparation and rapid response.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Let me just say, first and foremost, my number one focus,
and I think the focus of all of us here
with one voice, is that we have to protect lives.
We have to save lives, and we have to save homes.
Rest assured that time, rest assured. Let me finish when
that is done, when we are safe, when lives have
(21:58):
been saved and homes have been we will absolutely do
an evaluation to look at what worked, what didn't work,
and to correct or to hold accountable any body, department, individual, etc.
But my focus right now is on the lives and
on the homes. Do you think your leadership was effective
(22:19):
while responding to this disaster? I just said what I
believe is the most important thing for us to do
right now, and that is going to continue to be
my focus.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, I get Look what she said, Yes, like, we
want to save lives, we want to protect homes. That
should be the goal. It's also very fair for her
to be asked in the real time, do you think
that your leadership has been effective? My answer is no.
(22:49):
The answer of most Los Angelinos would also be no.
And Buck I come back to this. Remember the phrase,
which I think applies to so many different facts, and
we talk about it sometimes on the show Rumsfeld talking
about the things the known knowns. Remember, he got ridiculed
for the way that he broke down the things you
know and the things that you don't know. And what
(23:12):
basically he was analyzing is how do you deal with
expected outcomes and or expected scenarios. The idea that Los
Angeles could have a calamitous wildfire issue was well known.
I've spent a lot of time in La I've been
out there when they have had wildfire issues. This was
(23:33):
imminently foreseeable. This was not nine to eleven when nineteen
terrorists got on an airplane with box cutters and decided
they were going to fly airplanes into buildings. That was
totally unexpected. Right, there are things that occurred that are
totally unexpected. This is the equivalent of a hurricane hitting Florida.
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Florida is prepared to respond to hurricanes, they cannot control
when hurricanes happen. I don't see how anybody watching this
response from Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass the leadership of California
can think that the city of Los Angeles has been
well served by their leadership during this crisis. I just
I don't see how it's possible. And I don't think
you have to wait till the crisis is over to
(24:16):
see whether or not you've gotten in adequate response, engauge
how you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We understand why they want that to be the case,
because they are hoping that by the time they get
around to their own version of the accountability hot wash,
that you know, people will have not be focused on it.
The same way that delay is the bureaucrats best friend
(24:43):
most of the time, and that's what they'll do. They'll
make sure that they'll appoint some commission and in about
three years there'll be some big report that comes out
that nobody reads about, Oh, yeah, we should have done this,
that and the other thing.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That we all know this right this.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Is the the classic way that this sort of thing
will be handled. Right now, the public is focused on
it and seeing it happen, and of course there's there's outrage,
and I just say this too, the.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Whole all, but don't politicize.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Look everything is political now, okay, And and so they
make everything political as soon as it happens. Like I said,
every time there's a shooting, it's band guns unless it
involves like you know, gang members, and then all of
a sudden, we don't care about the shooting as much.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Right there's always or it's a.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
See or it's a ceo get shot in the street,
and then nobody calls for banning guns at all, or there's.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like a trans terrorist running around somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Anyway, they they do this right away, and Gavin Newsom
is as guilty of it as anybody.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean, he immediately will and and.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right now, look if Ron DeSantis, I mean, this is
this I think is a good a good you know
example of what we're talking about. There have been some
big hurricanes that have hit while Ron DeSantis has been governored,
while I've been here in Florida, and they tried to
do the oh he was a ready or oh he
you know, for about a hot second, that's right, and
(26:03):
then it is apparent to everybody. No, he actually had
all the resources in place, and the preparations and the
and everything that could reasonably and and professionally be expected
to be there, and done was done. And that's why
Ron doesn't get hit by people on hurricane preparation stuff.
No one's saying, you know, he can't stop hurricanes, but
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he can have the right pieces in place to mitigate
and to mitigate the damage into save lives. They clearly
didn't have that in Los Angeles, right, this is the
you know, this is not it's not just oh there
was a fire. Fires happen, it's they have gotten there.
It's way out of control. They have no emergency plan
(26:45):
to speak of, to escalate and to you know, expand
on whatever footprint they have for fire suppression and fire safety.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And and they got you know, they got caught here.
I mean they just got they got caught napping in
a sense, and now they don't want to take the
blame or the fall for it.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, you're right. And frankly, the bureaucrat recognizes, as you said,
that eventually people's attention moves on and the amount of
attention that is given in the aftermath of a crisis
is far less than in the midst of the crisis,
and I think it's fair to say, even though it's
still ongoing, the mayor and the leadership of Los Angeles,
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as well as the governor, they failed the people of
Los Angeles. The question that I have already and certainly,
we want everybody to be safe, We want everybody's property
to survive these fires, We want everything to be done,
want the firemen to deserve as much praise as possible
for putting their lives on the line for multiple days
to save as many people as possible. All of that
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can be true. The question that I ultimately have buck
is this an event that is so bad that people
in Los Angeles start looking around and saying, boy, who
we pick as leaders really matter? And instead of being
focused on the dei cosmetic identity politics associated with elections.
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I think the evidence suggests Rick Caruso, who is also
a Democrat, I might add, would have done a far
better job of handling this catastrophe than Mayor Karen Bass
has done. I think there are many other politicians that
would have done a far better job of thinking about
these catastrophes than Gavin Newsom has done. What's my evidence
(28:31):
for that. I don't think any major state governor handled
COVID worse than Gavin Newsom did. What is evidence that
would suggest many agree? Five straight years California has led
the nation in people fleeing the state. Eventually, people get upset.
To your point, I think a lot of people hopefully
they have insurance in this context, because I know there's
going to be major insurance related issues here too. Given
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how much this is going to cost. I think a
lot of people are going to take their money that
they got for their homes, they're not going to rebuild,
and they're going to move to other parts of the
country because they're just that up.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You might have some new neighbors outside of Tennessee there, buddy,
it's not I think that that is very likely to
be true. And by the way, you're going to have
a lot of them in Miami too, because the data
reflects Tennessee, Texas and Florida, alongside of North Carolina and
South Carolina, added the most people of any state in
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Those three that I just mentioned, the lack of state
income tax bringing a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I got to think that some of these other states
are are considering what it would mean if they were
to be able to get down to a zero zero
state income tax. Yes, for their economy and for it
because I get it in the for the annual budget.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It's, oh my gosh, how are we going to fund this?
We need to have a state income tax.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But when you think about all of the money that
has moved specifically from California and New York businesses, personal
income tax, just the productivity, the economic vitality that has
moved to Texas, to Tennessee, to.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Florida, Uh, look at there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
A lot of people have moved to the Carolinas, even
though they have from the Northeast at least, even though
every listening from the Carolinas knows this, even though they've
got pretty high taxes. I think five six percent for
North Carolina. I think it's about the same in South Carolina.
I know, because I've looked. I was like, I might
I would consider living. I love both of those states,
but I would think that some others would consider it
(30:28):
cly because the long term wealth transfer that is occurring
now for people who have capital and are mobile to
states that aren't going to penalize them with the state
income tax.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's uh. People look back on.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
This and it's gonna it's changing the future of Texas,
Tennessee and Florida for sure into becoming even more so
economic powerhouses and and really states that are havens of
a lot of high earners too, which then you got
people there that are are running businesses that pay for
everything and that you know, make it all work. You
(31:03):
know we didn't address this before, Clay, When do you
did you already take down all of your all of
your holiday stuff? Brucer Greg said this one around And
I had to carry the tree down to the dumpster yesterday,
and I know this is a husband's job. You got
to carry the tree down, and it seems like it'd
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be an easy thing to do, but you know, you
got to keep your balance.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It's not that easy.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But Carrie wants to keep the garlands because they look
very pretty that she did a great job decorating for Christmas.
How long can you keep this stuff up before you
start to look like somebody who can't let it go.
I need time to think about maybe Easter instead.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, I understand that no one trusts me after my
pizza topping discussion. But I think you.
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Are getting housed by the way comments you're getting. It's
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
People are lighting me up because I was honest. It's
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Speaker 1 (35:58):
Greg and Florida way in real quick, because you want
to tell Clay that he's right.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Clay, Clay, You're so right, and you know, fuck, you
just need to try it. You know, it's not a
big deal. We grow them at our house here and
everything grows so good here in Florida. But I'm telling you, Clay,
you got it spot on, and it is one of
the best pizzas. And you can even add some pineapple
(36:24):
to it to give a little sweetness to it.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
All right, Greg, you're a wonder mad man. I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The mushroom and jalapeno numbers are small, by the way.
Tomorrow I'll tell you when you should take down all
the decorations. I have a perfect tak Yet, we can
also get to some of these emails where you're taking
Clay to task for his eating the jalapeno and mushroom pizza,
probably with mountain dew.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, that's the real thing, exactly
All right, third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now,
and we don't usually expect that we will get in
depth first Amendment or any amendments analysis on the view.
Not usually something I'd go to for my constitutional assessment.
(00:21):
But they had quite a squabble on the side of
the view yesterday which I wanted to return to for
a moment. But let me just set up why. First off,
they they were talking about Facebook getting rid of the
regime of censorship that it had built over years, which
(00:43):
included the number that I saw, Clay was a total
of forty thousand. Did you see that forty thousand different
people involved in fact checking at Facebook?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, I didn't see that number, but that is an
insane number of people.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's what I saw.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I mean to me, it seems like that's how is
that that's not full time jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Those are people that would do it for a period
of time.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But I think it's fair to say that's a lot
of fact checkers, or they had a lot of fact checkers.
Maybe that was on you know, that was online. I
don't know, maybe it was less than that, but they
use a lot of third party is the problem with X.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
People write these great things they go viral.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'll check and see how many facts, how many fact
checkers they had over at Facebook and get your real number.
I mean, it was definitely thousands. I think that's for sure,
just based on the size of the program.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But they were running, and they would work.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
With these different partner entities and stuff. Anyway, the left
is very upset about this. Democrats are very upset about this.
They've gotten used to operating in a world where they
can pretend that they care about the First Amendment, but
also that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The First Amendment protects feelings.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And I am quite certain the First Amendment does not
protet text feelings, because if it did, it would protect nothing.
And this is something I don't know. If they just
don't teach this at school anymore, I don't know what
it is. The Democrats have almost a collective amnesia clay,
or a collective ignorance that's mandatory about the First Amendment. Specifically,
(02:19):
they pretend like they don't get that the First Amendment
has to be for speech that is unpopular, for speech
that bothers people or else. There's no need, right, you know, yes,
if the First Amendment just covers me talking about how
much I like ice, cream. I mean, no one really cares.
That's not going to be a problem. The view things
got a little testy. I want you to hear that,
(02:41):
but also try to pick out some of the ways
that they're making these arguments, or some of the keys
to their argument.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Play it every.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Speech directed at them, every ding one is finished the
sentence here anymore?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Okay, No, I think the point LESSA is making here
is she is a freak.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
She speaks very well for.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Hers No, but.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And I'm not doing it all.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Acts like her First Street free speech when it's the
things we like.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
When somebody wants.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
To defend.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
That isn't I don't want.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
You call me.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I don't want to be able to limits.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Comedy does push limits, but be smarter in your comedy.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
You don't need to offend me to be funny.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't need to offend.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You to be fun and so often offensive.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, no, not flushing, that's actually not necessarily to.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Okay, Clay a couple a couple of things. I wanted
to push this to you because I know you're a
big First Amendment guy. Uh, you have Whoopy Goldberg, who's
basically built her career as a as a comedian and
actress first before she was doing the view saying that,
you know, comedy shouldn't make fun of like it shouldn't
be offensive to anybody, which is quite aligned it. And
(03:52):
then you have Sunny Houston in her usual bitter tone,
and she and I watched this whole debate. It was
about eight or ten minutes long of a segment she
keeps taking the perspective hate speech is not free speech,
or hate speech is not covered. And to me, this
is where we just run into this constant like brick
wall of the left and their lack of understanding here. No, actually,
(04:16):
words that are mean are protected under the First Amendment.
Like things that are mean are whether they're you know,
something that I would support or not, or you would
support or not, doesn't matter. That is actually free speech,
and they just don't want. I mean, the example they
gave was you're now allowed to say that if somebody
is transgender, you think they have mental illness on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That was one of the things they talked about.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Why shouldn't you be able to make that argument If
you believe that argument is true, you should be able
to make that argument.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Facebook used to ban that, and they think that that's
free speech.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah. Look what I think Sonny Hostin, who is incredibly
dumb is trying to argue and doing it poorly, is
you don't have the right to threaten to kill someone. Right.
That is not protected speech.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
There are certain limits to free speech, even for someone
like me who is a free speech absolutist. When death
threats came to my house, I want the person making
those death threats to me to be prosecuted. And if
you threaten to kill my kids or you threaten to
kill my wife, I want you to be prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
There are limits to free speech, but offense, as will
Be Goldberg tries to argue, cannot be the limit because
who decides what the line is for being offended? And
I'm really disappointed will Be gold I can't believe I
have to say this. I'm really disappointed in woop Be
Goldberg as a comedian because comedy sometimes hurts. The best
(05:43):
jokes sometimes offend people in the community, and often, and
I'll use Dave Chappelle as an example, often comedians are
able to further national discourse by using satire, hyperbole, ridicule,
and yes, sometimes by being offensive in a way that
a traditional argument might not, and so whoopee Goldberg should
(06:08):
know that, and the argument of you have best comedians
should never have to offend. Okay, look, I love my
friend Nate BARGATSI. I think he's one of the most
talented comedians working right now. I told you recently, Buck,
you and carry should watch him. He's a clean comedian.
His goal is to appeal to everybody. That's great. But
(06:28):
I also really like watching Dave Chappelle and I wouldn't
let my ten year old watch it. I go back
and watch Raw with Eddie Murphy. Oh my goodness. I mean,
that's one of the greatest stand up acts. Richard Pryor,
There are a lot, George Carlin, there are a lot
of people who have said what is considered to be
offensive things in the furtherance of comedy. And I'll defend
(06:49):
Alyssa Fara Griffin here because she's right on the edges
of free speech is often where some of the best
arguments are made. So this actually ties in with tomorrow.
The TikTok case is being heard in front of the
Supreme Court, and I actually think it's gotten very little attention,
but it is to me one of the most fascinating
(07:11):
cases of Supreme Court has taken in some time because
of the inherent contradictions here. Your position, and I think
I'm synthesizing it pretty well, is TikTok shouldn't be restricted,
it should exist. And you point out like you're not
going on for political opinions, like you're learning how to
see our stake better and you enjoy TikTok. My position
(07:32):
is somewhere in the middle here. I don't think TikTok
should be banned, but I think it should be treated
as a major media company in the United States would,
And so my positions a little. If I were on
the Supreme Court, this is the way I would analyze it.
We wouldn't allow a for at China. A Chinese billionaire
couldn't buy The New York Times, We wouldn't allow that
(07:54):
to happen. A Chinese billionaire couldn't buy Fox News, we
wouldn't allow that to happen. We require media companies that
are based in the United States typically to be owned
by American media American citizens. That's not uncommon, that exists
all over the world. So that's point one. I think
this TikTok should be owned. TikTok America should be owned
(08:17):
by an American entity. My point two would be China
in particular will not allow Twitter or Facebook or Google
or YouTube to compete in their country. Why should we
allow Chinese companies to compete in our country? Now, that's
complicated because it's kind of a nuanced take on it,
(08:39):
in between the ban and in between the forced sell
or complete free speech. But that's where I would come
down on this. I have no idea what Supreme Court's
going to do, but it's going to be an incredibly
compelling and important decision that they render. My concern is
that a lot of people on the Supreme Court have
no idea how modern media works, and so asking a
(09:02):
seventy five year old who doesn't understand social media to
try to make a ruling on TikTok is complicated. And
I'll give you an example on this buck When I
was in law school, one of my law school professors,
actually my con law professor, was a former Supreme Court clerk,
and she used to tell a story about the judge
that she worked for. They were working late one night
and they ordered pizza and they were all sitting around
(09:24):
eating the pizza, and the Supreme Court justice walked in
and said, my goodness, what is on the pizza here?
And the clerks were like, that's a Pepperoni. Like the
judge had never seen a Pepperoni pizza in his life,
and she just remembered thinking life experience when you got
a seventy five or an eighty year old guy who's
sitting around trying to judge what's going on in the
(09:46):
culture and he's never even seen a Pepperoni pizza in
his life. I don't know that any of these judges
really understand social media, so I'm nervous and apprehensive about
their ability to really understand the nuances of this case
in a detailed way. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Is Pepperoni the king of all pizza toppings? I'm going
to go super off the board here. I'm gonna go
all the pineapple and head.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, no, I'm not gonna go pineapple. First of all,
to your general question, if you have a kid party
to throw, Pepperoni and cheese are the only options that
should be available for every kid party. Anybody listening to
me right now knows that I am correct. Those are
the two options. Having said that my go to and
(10:33):
I might be the only person in America who's I'm
gonna sound like you when it comes to the pistachio
ice cream. Here, I'm ready for the slings and arrows
of the listening audience. I go jalapeno mushroom. That is
my favorite type of Oh. I know, I see your face,
and I know I know a lot of people don't
trust me anymore. I know a lot of you are
nodding as long as I analyze TikTok, and you're like, yeah,
(10:54):
that's really it, and now I just said it, and
now you don't trust me at all.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
An office part, the jalapeno mushroom is the pie that's
always got plenty of slices.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
At the end, I'm saying for myself personally. You asked
if I order, and my family hates it. It's the
only my pizza buy itself. I think the premiere pizza
is jalipino and mushroom on the as the toppings on
the pizza.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Guys, I don't even know what to tell you here.
I know, I know I've lost America.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I did.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I tried to guide him into the into the shining
lights of uh pepperoni, perhaps sausage.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You know a little bit of sausage on there. Very nice.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'd even take some people like a little bit of broccoli,
extra cheese. There's a bunch of things you could do here.
You can start getting into the buffalo chicken. I mean,
you get in the fancy pipe.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
There's a lot of like super fancy like buck Sexton
style pizzas I understand are out there. You're like the
lobster pizza is the greatest pizza of all. You put
a little bit of uh, you know what I like
is truffles on top of my pizza. But you know,
in the in the general like option ordering, I understand
that I am in the extreme minority with hallopeen year.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Are the guys saying is New York saying pistachio pizzas?
That's not a thing. They don't put pistachio nuts on
pizza today. No, Oh, they're saying, I should make it
a thing. You guys are nuts, just saying you guys
are nuts, no pun intended. Look what I did there, Hey,
that's very good, very good. We're going to get back
(12:25):
into news and important things here in a second. I
just thought that the view, the discussion of it was kind.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Of no that's great, and I think it ties in
with TikTok. And by the way, you're going to win
every discussion for the rest of the show. Because I've
alienated the entire American listening audience. I don't know that
there's anybody else out there who's like, it's maybe five
percent of the population.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That a family friend reached out to me over the
holidays to say that he really enjoys the show, but
he's very mad at me for all the criticism that
I do. And then he names some foot ball program
and I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about,
(13:05):
and so I had the family respond and he goes, oh,
you're the other one.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I was like, I assure you're the other one. I
think it was Florida Central or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
There was like something you were saying something bad about
a Florida team. You were trashing some Florida football team,
and I just thought it was funny because I was
getting He was like kind of upset. He's like, you're
being really unfair to my Have you been bashing some
Florida team?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, I want a state basically had the worst year. Sorry, Semino.
Seminole fans driving around they're having a good Seminal fan
see this as a Seminal fan. He said, you're being
too rough on his semine. Well, there they went to
and ten. I mean, I don't know how what you
know when you go to and ten, it's tough to
be very favorable. Also, I have been critical of the Dolphins,
but more in the sense that I just feel sad
(13:48):
for everyone who's a Miami Dolphin fan because basically, since
Dan Marino retired like twenty five years ago, whatever the math,
thirty years ago, basically your franchise hasn't mattered. So Dolphin
fan actually understand. It's why they're still running around in
those number thirteen jerseys. But that could I think I've
taken shots in both directions, North Florida and South Florida
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at those two teams.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It was it was Seminoles and it was funny because I,
you know, I was like, I'm definitely not too hard
on the Seminoles O line, I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What you're talking about. Anyway, learn something new.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Poor producer
Greg just getting absolutely obliterated over my pizza take. I
let him over the middle Buck in his sports analogy.
He's streeching, stretching out his arms. The phones are always
ringing NonStop, but he is just getting lacerated right now
with my with my pizza take. And I apologize for that.
(16:00):
By the way, one bit of news for people in LA.
And we'll come back and maybe continue to talk about
all the issues going on that Jimmy Carter funeral, the
continued fallout of the awful wildfires in LA. But they
had to cancel. I know this is relatively small in
the grand scheme of things, but I think it speaks
to the significance of the issues in LA. They canceled
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the Lakers game tonight, which they ordinarily would not be doing.
But the Lakers play in downtown Los Angeles, which obviously
is surrounded by some of these communities that are dealing
with the fire. Downtown has not. But I do think
the fact that they've canceled the game in the Staples
Center gives you some indication of how bad things have
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gotten there that they wouldn't be able to play a
basketball game tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yes, they don't have the situation under control by a
long shot.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And the video and the photos that we've seen of
the devastation are I've never seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I don't know if anybody really has.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It looks absolutely apocalyptic on some of these photos. When
you see in some of the shots that you see
from helicopters, Yeah, it looks.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like an area that had been firebombed from the sky,
you know, in a war. And that's and it's thousands
of acres. I think somebody shared out that if Manhattan
is something like fourteen thousand acres, seventeen thousand acres has
been completely burned and destroyed by the fire.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
In total so far.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So it's a very large and this is a place
where a lot of people live, a lot of homes,
particularly a lot of very high end homes in the
Palisades and very expensive homes. So the rebuild is also
something that I know Adam Krolla was talking to about
talking to us about yesterday, that if people choose to rebuild,
will take years and the whole community is just going
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to be uprooted, and it's a different place now. It's crazy,
no doubt.
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Speaker 3 (18:54):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
More and more information coming out about how things have
been run in recent years of at the La City
Fire Department. Christopher Rufo sharing this, The La City Fire
Department has an entire equity Bureau which hopes to advance
DEI within the fire service, and last year LAFD cut
(19:19):
seven million dollars from the overtime budget, which impacted air
operations and disaster response, but kept the DEI department. And
then John Lefevre, who's also formerly of Goldman Sachs Elevator
and he's an author.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He shared that the because this stuff is all public,
Like even when I was at the NYPD, my salary
you could look it up online.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
These things are, you know, public record.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
The Fire Assistant Chief for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in
twenty twenty three for total pay and benefits made four
hundred and forty seven thousand dollars, So you know, you
got people that are are getting paid really well. To
do really worthless things in the name of DEI in
(20:05):
that department.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Were one hundred and forty k buck for a dude
who's in charge of DEI at the fire department.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, I understand now why some people are so
devoted to DEI within the system. That's great money for
a make believe job. You know what I'm saying that
that's a job that you could sit there.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
That's insane taxpayer funded job. That's more tho. You know
you're out there right now. And there's been a lot
of criticism of senators and congress people for wanting a
pay raise buck that's almost triple what a congressman makes
or a senator.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
To be Obama, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know, Michelle Obama back in like two thousand and
six was making close to three hundred grand as a
diversity educator at a hospital.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
In Chicago, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm going into the memory banks here, but making really
good money to do something that isn't needing to be done.
But yeah, you know again, play's just still upset that
she didn't go to the funeral so well in his.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Bonnet give bondt right, I'm still fired up. But we
got the clip Karen Bass. Yeah, yeah, Karen Bass.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well with the Karen Bass here and here she is
getting a little testy because she realizes the heat is on.
People feel like this has not been an acceptable response.
Here she is battling it out with the with the
the journals play thirty two. What explains this lack of
preparation and rapid response.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Let me just say, first and foremost, my number one focus,
and I think the focus of all of us here
with one voice, is that we have to protect lives.
We have to save lives, and we have to save homes.
Rest assured that time, rest assured. Let me finish when
that is done, when we are safe, when lives have
(21:58):
been saved and homes have been we will absolutely do
an evaluation to look at what worked, what didn't work,
and to correct or to hold accountable any body, department, individual, etc.
But my focus right now is on the lives and
on the homes. Do you think your leadership was effective
(22:19):
while responding to this disaster? I just said what I
believe is the most important thing for us to do
right now, and that is going to continue to be
my focus.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, I get Look what she said, Yes, like, we
want to save lives, we want to protect homes. That
should be the goal. It's also very fair for her
to be asked in the real time, do you think
that your leadership has been effective? My answer is no.
(22:49):
The answer of most Los Angelinos would also be no.
And Buck I come back to this. Remember the phrase,
which I think applies to so many different facts, and
we talk about it sometimes on the show Rumsfeld talking
about the things the known knowns. Remember, he got ridiculed
for the way that he broke down the things you
know and the things that you don't know. And what
(23:12):
basically he was analyzing is how do you deal with
expected outcomes and or expected scenarios. The idea that Los
Angeles could have a calamitous wildfire issue was well known.
I've spent a lot of time in La I've been
out there when they have had wildfire issues. This was
(23:33):
imminently foreseeable. This was not nine to eleven when nineteen
terrorists got on an airplane with box cutters and decided
they were going to fly airplanes into buildings. That was
totally unexpected. Right, there are things that occurred that are
totally unexpected. This is the equivalent of a hurricane hitting Florida.
(23:54):
Florida is prepared to respond to hurricanes, they cannot control
when hurricanes happen. I don't see how anybody watching this
response from Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass the leadership of California
can think that the city of Los Angeles has been
well served by their leadership during this crisis. I just
I don't see how it's possible. And I don't think
you have to wait till the crisis is over to
(24:16):
see whether or not you've gotten in adequate response, engauge
how you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
We understand why they want that to be the case,
because they are hoping that by the time they get
around to their own version of the accountability hot wash,
that you know, people will have not be focused on it.
The same way that delay is the bureaucrats best friend
(24:43):
most of the time, and that's what they'll do. They'll
make sure that they'll appoint some commission and in about
three years there'll be some big report that comes out
that nobody reads about, Oh, yeah, we should have done this,
that and the other thing.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
That we all know this right this.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Is the the classic way that this sort of thing
will be handled. Right now, the public is focused on
it and seeing it happen, and of course there's there's outrage,
and I just say this too, the.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Whole all, but don't politicize.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Look everything is political now, okay, And and so they
make everything political as soon as it happens. Like I said,
every time there's a shooting, it's band guns unless it
involves like you know, gang members, and then all of
a sudden, we don't care about the shooting as much.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Right there's always or it's a.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
See or it's a ceo get shot in the street,
and then nobody calls for banning guns at all, or there's.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like a trans terrorist running around somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Anyway, they they do this right away, and Gavin Newsom
is as guilty of it as anybody.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I mean, he immediately will and and.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right now, look if Ron DeSantis, I mean, this is
this I think is a good a good you know
example of what we're talking about. There have been some
big hurricanes that have hit while Ron DeSantis has been governored,
while I've been here in Florida, and they tried to
do the oh he was a ready or oh he
you know, for about a hot second, that's right, and
(26:03):
then it is apparent to everybody. No, he actually had
all the resources in place, and the preparations and the
and everything that could reasonably and and professionally be expected
to be there, and done was done. And that's why
Ron doesn't get hit by people on hurricane preparation stuff.
No one's saying, you know, he can't stop hurricanes, but
(26:25):
he can have the right pieces in place to mitigate
and to mitigate the damage into save lives. They clearly
didn't have that in Los Angeles, right, this is the
you know, this is not it's not just oh there
was a fire. Fires happen, it's they have gotten there.
It's way out of control. They have no emergency plan
(26:45):
to speak of, to escalate and to you know, expand
on whatever footprint they have for fire suppression and fire safety.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And and they got you know, they got caught here.
I mean they just got they got caught napping in
a sense, and now they don't want to take the
blame or the fall for it.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, you're right. And frankly, the bureaucrat recognizes, as you said,
that eventually people's attention moves on and the amount of
attention that is given in the aftermath of a crisis
is far less than in the midst of the crisis,
and I think it's fair to say, even though it's
still ongoing, the mayor and the leadership of Los Angeles,
(27:25):
as well as the governor, they failed the people of
Los Angeles. The question that I have already and certainly,
we want everybody to be safe, We want everybody's property
to survive these fires, We want everything to be done,
want the firemen to deserve as much praise as possible
for putting their lives on the line for multiple days
to save as many people as possible. All of that
(27:45):
can be true. The question that I ultimately have buck
is this an event that is so bad that people
in Los Angeles start looking around and saying, boy, who
we pick as leaders really matter? And instead of being
focused on the dei cosmetic identity politics associated with elections.
(28:08):
I think the evidence suggests Rick Caruso, who is also
a Democrat, I might add, would have done a far
better job of handling this catastrophe than Mayor Karen Bass
has done. I think there are many other politicians that
would have done a far better job of thinking about
these catastrophes than Gavin Newsom has done. What's my evidence
(28:31):
for that. I don't think any major state governor handled
COVID worse than Gavin Newsom did. What is evidence that
would suggest many agree? Five straight years California has led
the nation in people fleeing the state. Eventually, people get upset.
To your point, I think a lot of people hopefully
they have insurance in this context, because I know there's
going to be major insurance related issues here too. Given
(28:51):
how much this is going to cost. I think a
lot of people are going to take their money that
they got for their homes, they're not going to rebuild,
and they're going to move to other parts of the
country because they're just that up.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You might have some new neighbors outside of Tennessee there, buddy,
it's not I think that that is very likely to
be true. And by the way, you're going to have
a lot of them in Miami too, because the data
reflects Tennessee, Texas and Florida, alongside of North Carolina and
South Carolina, added the most people of any state in
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Those three that I just mentioned, the lack of state
income tax bringing a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I got to think that some of these other states
are are considering what it would mean if they were
to be able to get down to a zero zero
state income tax. Yes, for their economy and for it
because I get it in the for the annual budget.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It's, oh my gosh, how are we going to fund this?
We need to have a state income tax.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But when you think about all of the money that
has moved specifically from California and New York businesses, personal
income tax, just the productivity, the economic vitality that has
moved to Texas, to Tennessee, to.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Florida, Uh, look at there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
A lot of people have moved to the Carolinas, even
though they have from the Northeast at least, even though
every listening from the Carolinas knows this, even though they've
got pretty high taxes. I think five six percent for
North Carolina. I think it's about the same in South Carolina.
I know, because I've looked. I was like, I might
I would consider living. I love both of those states,
but I would think that some others would consider it
(30:28):
cly because the long term wealth transfer that is occurring
now for people who have capital and are mobile to
states that aren't going to penalize them with the state
income tax.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's uh. People look back on.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
This and it's gonna it's changing the future of Texas,
Tennessee and Florida for sure into becoming even more so
economic powerhouses and and really states that are havens of
a lot of high earners too, which then you got
people there that are are running businesses that pay for
everything and that you know, make it all work. You
(31:03):
know we didn't address this before, Clay, When do you
did you already take down all of your all of
your holiday stuff? Brucer Greg said this one around And
I had to carry the tree down to the dumpster yesterday,
and I know this is a husband's job. You got
to carry the tree down, and it seems like it'd
(31:23):
be an easy thing to do, but you know, you
got to keep your balance.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It's not that easy.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But Carrie wants to keep the garlands because they look
very pretty that she did a great job decorating for Christmas.
How long can you keep this stuff up before you
start to look like somebody who can't let it go.
I need time to think about maybe Easter instead.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, I understand that no one trusts me after my
pizza topping discussion. But I think you.
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Are getting housed by the way comments you're getting. It's
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Box Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We roll through the
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we're still going to be talking about the impact of
the wildfires in Los Angeles and that has been a
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Speaker 1 (35:58):
Greg and Florida way in real quick, because you want
to tell Clay that he's right.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Clay, Clay, You're so right, and you know, fuck, you
just need to try it. You know, it's not a
big deal. We grow them at our house here and
everything grows so good here in Florida. But I'm telling you, Clay,
you got it spot on, and it is one of
the best pizzas. And you can even add some pineapple
(36:24):
to it to give a little sweetness to it.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
All right, Greg, you're a wonder mad man. I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
The mushroom and jalapeno numbers are small, by the way.
Tomorrow I'll tell you when you should take down all
the decorations. I have a perfect tak Yet, we can
also get to some of these emails where you're taking
Clay to task for his eating the jalapeno and mushroom pizza,
probably with mountain dew.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, that's the real thing, exactly
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