September 18, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay Travis dives deep into the controversial suspension of Jimmy Kimmel, exploring the broader implications for free speech, cancel culture, and media bias. The hour opens with Clay addressing Kimmel’s remarks about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which sparked outrage and led to Kimmel’s potential firing. Clay critiques the mainstream media’s double standards, comparing Kimmel’s situation to past cancellations of Roseanne Barr and Gina Carano, both of whom were removed from their platforms for politically charged statements. The discussion expands into the erosion of free speech in America, with Clay arguing that principle must triumph over politics. He emphasizes the dangers of setting precedents where individuals are removed from public platforms for expressing controversial opinions, warning that such actions will inevitably backfire on both sides of the political spectrum. Clay also reflects on his own experience with cancel culture, recounting his viral CNN appearance where he was banned for making a provocative joke. He uses this anecdote to highlight the hypocrisy of media gatekeepers and the importance of defending speech—even when it’s unpopular. Later in the hour, Peter Navarro joins the show, fresh off a call with President Trump. Navarro discusses his new book, I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To, detailing his time behind bars and the broader campaign of lawfare targeting Trump allies. He shares insights into the weaponization of the justice system, the Bureau of Prisons scandal, and the political persecution he and others faced. Listeners also weigh in via calls and emails, offering perspectives on media censorship, misinformation, and the role of corporate interests—particularly Disney’s alleged motivations tied to its pursuit of acquiring the NFL Network. Clay underscores that business decisions, not government mandates, often drive these high-profile cancellations. The hour closes with a passionate defense of First Amendment rights, a critique of the left’s shifting standards, and a call to uphold free expression across all platforms. This segment is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of politics, media, and free speech in America.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome an hour number three, Thursday edition
Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is on the road
traveling with his family. He will have the show tomorrow solo,
as I'll be up in Michigan doing a keynote for
(00:20):
the Michigan Republican Party, and to look forward to seeing
a bunch of you there. There are a lot of
different stories that we have been talking about, and I
thought I would circle back the top of the third
hour here to what is unquestionably the biggest story out
there right now. Jimmy Kimmel suspended, potentially going to be
fired over comments that he made on the air Monday.
(00:44):
Got a lot of thoughts on those still. You should
know we're going to be joined by Peter Navarro. I
imagine he will have some thoughts on free speech given
what happened to him. He will be with us at
the bottom of the hour on the program. Here, let's
go back into the Jimmy Kimmel controversy. I've got some
(01:04):
more thoughts and I want to get your reactions. Eight
hundred and two to two eight A two. You can
also give us talkbacks. Let's play one more time, because
I know many people join the show at different times.
This is what created the latest free speech controversy. This
was Monday, during the monologue Jimmy Kimmel on the Charlie
Kirk assassination Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We hit some new.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Lows over the weekend with the Maggi gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them and everything they can to
score political points from it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, so that is the that is the commentary. It
tied in in the minds of many to this calculated
attempt to try to make this crazy assassin seem as
if he were a member of the Trump's supporting right.
And there was a very calculated attempt to try to say, oh,
(02:06):
the reason Charlie Kirk was assassinated was because he wasn't
right wing enough, when all of the evidence that you
have all been exposed to and had shared with you,
certainly on this program and in other places, clearly evinces
that this was a guy who was dating a trans person.
Family says had gone far left wing, wrote anti fascist,
(02:30):
anti Nazi, pro trans messages, on the shellcasings of his
of the bullets of the weapon that he was planning
to use to kill Charlie Kirk. All of these things
clearly demonstrate that he was of the left and that
he was motivated by a decade plus of people out
there calling Donald Trump and his supporters hitler and Nazis.
(02:55):
And now that there is a suspension that has come
thanks to some of the affiliate stations out there saying
we won't air this, there is now a pushback in
an aggressive way against the idea that Jimmy Kimmel should
have been suspended over this. I'm gonna play some of
that audio so that you have a context of what's
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going on, But let me just say this. I think
in general, you have to remain committed to principle over politics,
even sometimes when it leads to situations that you may
not like. The left has not done that, and the left,
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in fact, let's use Disney examples. Roseanne Barr shared a
tweet that was deemed to be unacceptable and she was
immediately canceled, even though she was on the most popular
show on ABC at the time other than sports, most
popular scripted show, and they wrote off her character as
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dying of a drug overdose. Gina Carano was on the
most popular streaming show in all of Disney, plus The Mandalorian.
She shared opinions that were considered to bexpected unacceptable on
social media. She was fired. So when the left has
established and when the Disney Corporation has established that their
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standard of speech is, if we decide that it is
unacceptable in any way, we're going to fire you. I
don't think they have any legs to stand on with
Jimmy Kimmel, I just don't. I think they have cut
the legitimacy of their arguments out from underneath me. Now,
some of you are not going to appreciate this argument,
but I have made it consistently. Some of you are
(04:45):
going to nod along and say this is important. I
don't think anybody actually benefits from cancel culture. I don't
think society benefits from cancel culture. I don't think when
they tried to cancel Rush that that was a benefit
for this show. And many of you who listened to
Rush know exactly what I'm talking about. Rush was at
the forefront of cancel culture. I not surprisingly to some
(05:09):
of you out there, people have tried to cancel me
for a long time. In fact, I shared this clip
from eight years ago this week when I went on CNN.
I've been banned from CNN for making a joke when
I said, Hey, the only two things I've ever believed
in completely are the First Amendment in boobs. If you
haven't heard that, here it is. CNN has still banned
me for that. Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I
(05:31):
believe in only two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs.
And so once they made the decision that they were
not related commentary, they called, I.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Just want to make sure I heard you correctly as
a woman anchoring the show, did you say what did
you just say? You believe in the First Amendment ends btwbs.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Boobs, two things that have only never let me down
in this entire country's history, the First Amendment and boobs.
So those are the only two things I believe absolutely
in the country.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly,
b oo ze or boobs, because as a woman, I'm
i'm as.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
In boobs, I believe completely in the First Amendment and
in boobs. Those are the only two things I believe
one hundred percent in in this country. And by the way,
Jamel has actually sit up there.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
To say that live on national television and with a
female host.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Why I say it live on the radio all the time,
because it's true, and that's what I do because I
like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what
I said. All right, So if you haven't seen that clip.
Eight years ago, that was the number one trending story
in America, Brooke Baldwin wrote an editorial essentially demanding that
I'd be fired. I was doing sports talker radio. Everybody
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tried to get me fired over that. Now it's ironic,
certainly that to make a point about believing in the
First Amendment, I would do it in a humorous that
would get more attention and not immediately apologized to a
woman who tried to play the identity politics card live
on CNN and tried to get me fired. But all
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of these people that claim now that they are First
Amendment warriors for Jimmy Kimmel, they cheered when Roseanne Barr
was fired, They cheered when Gina Carano was fired, They
cheered when Tucker Carlson was taken off the air. They
would cheer and do cartwheels if I or Buck were
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taken off the air, because they aren't really committed to
the First Amendment. They are committed to removing people they
disagree with from the airwaves. And that's why I think
the principle here matters, because the politics is constantly going
to shift. I've said before when Bill Maher got pulled
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off the air ABC on a show called Politically Incorrect
for making politically incorrect comments about terrorists, I didn't think
that was appropriate. Now, Bill Maher's talented enough that HBO
came and they hired him, and he's probably got a
way better show now than he did when he was
at ABC. I give credit to the boss that Buck
and I have now and the reason that I am
(08:17):
sitting talking to all of you, Julie Talbot, because at iHeart,
they are committed to allowing people from a wide variety
of perspectives to be able to talk to large audiences.
There's a big difference between what you will hear on
this show and what Charlemagne the God will say, or
what Bobby Bones will say, or what Ryan Seacrest will say,
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or what Steve Harvey will say. That's good That's how
the country should be. You should be able to go
out and be exposed to the largest possible collection of
arguments out there and the largest possible collection of entertainers.
Now Here is my take on why I don't necessarily
(08:59):
agree with the way all this went down. I think
firing someone because of something that they said on air
is a form of cancel culture. For sure. If you
do not believe that Jimmy Kimmel's show is worthy of
being on the air, just pull it. They didn't pull
Stephen Colbert directly because of something he said on the air.
(09:20):
They said, he's losing forty million dollars a year. We
don't want to be in this business anymore. I think
we all, all of us actually end up in a
worse place when we are saying, you can't make that
joke that's offensive, you can't use that word in that context.
All of these things, I think actually limit the larger
(09:41):
scope of discussion in this country. So I'm probably going
to be the only person on the planet who said,
wrong decision on Roseanne, wrong decision on Gina Carano, and
I think wrong decision on the timing surrounding Jimmy Kimmel now,
I have tons of thoughts, and we've talked about it
all on the program, about the decline of late night
(10:02):
television and the fact that basically all late night television
turned into left wing propaganda where you can only make
fun of one side, and as a result, they destroyed
their business in the process. That I have no issue with.
If tomorrow iHeart decided, hey, you know what, Clay, you
(10:25):
and Buck, your show's not highly rated enough. You're not
making us enough money. We got to move on, I'd say, hey,
you know what, that's a business imperative. By the way,
thanks to you guys, that's not the case. In fact,
we just found out yesterday ratings are up twenty five
percent over last year. That's pretty damn good. Thank you,
But that's the business we're in. If you don't make
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your boss's money, then at some point in time, they're
going to come to you and they're going to try
to find somebody who can or somebody who will. And
so if Disney had had the hutzba to come forward
and say, you know what, we're not getting a great
rating in this hour, we think it's time to move
on and try something new in that hour With ABC,
we think we can make more money doing something else.
(11:05):
I would have said, hey, you know what, more power
to you. I think deciding to pull him based on
comments ultimately is not beneficial. And some of you out
there goes, oh, at some point, I don't know what
it's going to be. They'll come for us. You know this.
They came for Rush now, I hope partly because of
what I did eight years ago when they came for me.
(11:27):
I like to think that I'm somewhat uncancellable. I'd like
to think that Buck is somewhat uncancellable. But when you
set the precedent that what people say on live shows
can lead to them losing their job immediately, it's never
going to stop, right, And that's what the left is
learning right now. They made these rules, and now they're
(11:48):
looking around and saying, wait a minute, I don't like
these rules. This is why people like me have been saying. Ultimately,
the precedent is going to blow up on YouTube, and
so there are going to be at some point in
time eight years from now, might be ten years from now.
But if we establish the precedent of if someone says
something I don't like, they can't make a living doing
(12:09):
that job anymore. Eventually, it's going to boomerang back on
the right, just like it's boomeranging back on the left
right now. And I'm gonna be the guy sitting back saying, hey,
I don't think that's the right decision, and I'm going
to stand on principle over the politics of the moment.
Now again, if CBS, when CBS made the decision, hey
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Colbert's gone, We're losing forty million dollars a year, I
think that's a rational, reasonable choice that they could make.
I'm a business guy. I ran a media business. They
are people we've had to move on from because we
can't afford their salary because they're not actually making us money.
You heard stephen A and I have this exact discussion
on Tuesday where he said, ultimately, all of our jobs
come down to are we making bosses money? And if
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you're not, you're not going to be employed very long.
This is, not, however, to me, a First Amendment issue.
It's a creative freedom issue, because nobody is keeping Jimmy
Kimmel from coming out and saying exactly what he thinks.
In any other form. He can start a podcast, he
can start a YouTube, Channel. Same thing for Stephen Colbert.
Look at what Tucker did when Fox News took him
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off the air. It has never been easier for the
name on the back of the jersey to be able
to be followed anywhere. So I don't buy into this
idea of, oh my god, this is the biggest attack
on the First Amendment that we've ever seen. You know what,
a real attack on the First Amendment would look like,
murdering somebody in cold blood while they're at a free
speech event because you don't like what they are saying,
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which is exactly what happened to Charlie Kirk. And it's
why there is a strong argument to be made that
part of the sickness that afflicts the left in this
country is they are more outspoken about a comedian not
being able to continue on his late night comedy show
than they are a dad being assassinated in cold blood
at a free speech event. One of those is a
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significant threat to free speed each in America. That is
Charlie Kirk's assassination. The other is just a debate about
where a person should go to share his or her opinions.
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reached out said he's about to hop on a call
with the President of the United States, so he may
or may not be with us at the bottom of
the hour. But a lot of you weighing in on
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the show so far during the course of the program,
and VIP email from Jennifer just came in. Didn't ABC
just lose a big lawsuit from Trump? Could it be
that Kimmel was fired because they were afraid of another lawsuit.
They didn't lose the lawsuit, they settled it. But I
think what you are getting at, Jennifer is ABC that
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is owned by Disney basically decided they didn't think Jimmy
Kimmel was worth the risk that the Jimmy Kimmel Show
was creating. Now, you want to know what's really going
on here, Disney's trying to buy the NFL network, and
they're trying to curry favor from the Trump administration to
get that approved. I'm just telling you that's really if
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you're if you're wondering, hey, what's going on? Why is
Disney suddenly sucking up to Trump? And anyway, why are
they firing Jimmy Kimmel. Why did Stephen Colbert get fired?
It's because those guys, Colbert and Kimmel were seen as
problems more than they were seen as talent. And this
is where great lesson for life. So long as your
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talent exceeds your problems, you're always going to be employed.
If you're a great quarterback in the NFL, you can
get away with a lot. If you're not a very
good quarterback, you get fired. If you are making your
employers a lot of money, like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen
Colbert used to do fifteen years ago, they'll take a
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lot of flak for you. As soon as they start
losing money and they need to get approval on mergers
or acquisitions. Guess what, your butt's getting kicked to the curb.
I think that's the bigger story here of what's actually
going on. We come back, we'll take more of your calls.
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to weigh in on the Jimmy Kimmel News. By the way,
Peter Navarro was going to be on with us. We'll
try to schedule him later, maybe tomorrow if he can't
get in today. He was going to talk with all
of us, but he's now on the phone with the President. Yeah,
kind of an important thing to do. I think a
lot of you out there weighing in, though. Let's see
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Kenny in Central Texas. What you got for is Kenny, thank.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You for having me. I just just wanted to point
out I've noticed that no one has mentioned that the
Democrats and the dj to press freedom of speech by
creating this concept of misinterpretation or misinformation or disinformation. And
I don't understand why no one's pointed out that what
Kimmel did was exactly misinformation and disinformation and would be
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silenced using the Biden rules.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, thank you for the call. Of course, it wouldn't
be silenced by the Biden rules, because the Biden rules
were not about actually trying to create a fair and
even playing field. They were about labeling speech. They did
not like misinformation or disinformation. And look, I've testified in
front of Congress about this and one of the reasons
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why there are so many but Trump's win in twenty
twenty four was so incredibly important. Is all of the
people lecturing you right now about how Jimmy Kimmel's free
speech rights are being restricted. We're fine with Twitter, Facebook, Pinterurist, Instagram, TikTok,
every major social media platform in the country banning the
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sitting president of the United States, every single one. I
think the number of people that are upset by Jimmy
Kimmel's cancelation and cheered President Trump's cancelation is almost almost
one hundred percent consistent right what I'm pointing out, And
I think this is important, and I understand power shifts,
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power shifts, and right now, I love that Trump is
in office, and I hope that there are saying Republicans
in leadership for decades to come. History teaches us that
is not going to be true. Right now. What I say,
what Buck says, is favored by the party that happens
to control the White House and the Senate and the
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House of Representatives. That's great, It's not always going to
be the case. And so if you set the standard
of speech that is acceptable is determined by the party
in power at any particular time, you are not standing
on principle. You are standing on power and minority speech rights.
And I don't mean you know, Black, Asian, Hispanic speech right.
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I mean the party that is not in power, not
the majority. Minority speech rights are the most important in
the country. I had a con law professor. She was
actually a left winger, but she had a great line.
The reason why we focus on trying to protect minority
speech rights is she would always say, uh, free speech
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in a democracy without protection for speech is two wolves
and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. It's a great line.
Without free speech protections in a democracy, all we have
is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
The sheep always gets slaughtered. The person who doesn't have
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the votes gets wiped out. That's why principle matters. So
I think the Supreme Court got the ruling wrong on
Biden censoring people like me and Bach who were critics
of his COVID vaccine policy. You heard Eric Trump on
with us a little bit earlier. They went to Facebook
and they threatened Mark Zuckerberg and they said, if you
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don't restrict speech, then we are going to have significant
impact on you. I mean, I'm just telling you this
is the reality in which we live beyond to a
shadow of a doubt, A lot of you weighing in.
By the way, let me see if I can make
sure that I get everybody's name right. Peter Navarro, by
the way, has reached out. He's going to call us
(23:07):
here to close out the show, so we will get
him as well. But let me try to get a
couple more y'all in Fast Tracy and Wisconsin. What you
got well?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Three things. A boss can fire an employee if he
thinks that person said something horrible that either the boss
doesn't like or customers don't like. Number two, Jimmy Kimmel
is not totally censored. He can go on other platforms
and speak. And number three, he did say something that
these days, what you say if it could harm another
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group or people? He said, you know, regarding Mega. I
mean people these days, they hear something negative about a
group and they take bad actions. I'm not for censorship,
but a boss can fire someone for saying something horrible
that either the boss doesn't like or employees. And I
kind of look at it that way with Jimmy Kimmel,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
For the call. I think the second part of what
you said is also supremely important. Free speech is not
you aren't guaranteed a platform. Jimmy Kimmel can go speak anywhere.
If I heartfires me tomorrow, I can try to find
somewhere new to go talk to as many people as
I want. The government did not take this act. Disney did. Now.
(24:20):
Was there pressure from the government, Yeah, what's that pressure?
They want to be able to buy the NFL network,
and Disney decided for its business being able to buy
the NFL network is more important. That is what I
think is the story is more important than Jimmy Kimmel
doing a comedy show. David in Minneapolis. What you got?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The previous color kind of stole my thunder. But you
know what, guys, the Democrats started us down this road
decades ago. We've been punching bags for these punks for
long enough, and it's time that we use their own
texts and methods against them and shove it right back
down their throat. You said that it might blow up
in our face. It's been blowing up in our face
for and what if we do nothing this time, the
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next time the Democrats are in power, they're going to say,
oh yeah, well, they kind of played nice last time.
Maybe we'll give them a break. No, They're always going
to go for our throat. It's time for us to
fight back.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I certainly understand that argument. I did in my most
recent book, a whole section on how to deal with
Cancel Culture twenty thirty pages, American Playbook. If you like coffee,
you can get an autographed copy of my book at
Crocketcoffee dot com. Code book. Totally understand that, Totally understand
that argument. My perspective in general is the most important
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right we have is free speech, and I think we
need to defend it even from people that we disagree with,
because the principle of free speech over time is the
only thing that keeps us free in my opinion, Have
Democrats been wrong on many free speech issues for decades? Yes?
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Are they now reaping the consequences of the cure they created? Yes?
Do I think that one day, Buck, or me or
some of you are going to also reap the consequences
of the culture that was created by Democrats? Yes, potentially
as well. Let's see podcast listener, tim Gg. What you
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got for us.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Quickly was that the first time I've heard the first
amendment in Booths story by far the best way to
get banned from CNN.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
That is the best way to get banned from CNN.
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Speaker 7 (27:55):
Us, Clay, I agree fully with you about the free
speech point. And as you know, the First Amendment protects
freedom of speech, freedom of press. I take it from
your point you would say speech is more important than press.
Here's my question. We hear a lot about hate speech,
and we even hear it from the press talking about
hate speech, but we never hear anything on the other
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side about restrictions on the press the same way people
want to restrict speech. Wanted to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, it's a smart question. And England, for instance, has
way more stringent standards when it comes to defamation, which
is either spoken with slander or written with libel, and
so you will sometimes see prominent figures choose to sue
in England, where the press is held to a more
(28:47):
stringent standard than in the United States. Now, I could
probably do a whole deep dive on this, and I
bet the guy joining us right now. Peter Navarro could
too a lot of this, as we see in speech,
parameter code and law now comes out of Times v. Sullivan,
which is the Supreme Court case dealing with the most
of this. I could do an entire show on Times v.
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Sullivon and some of the flaws, but we bring in
Peter Navarro right now. Peter, you were just talking with
President Trump. I believe he's on his way back from England.
What was that conversation? Like, what can you tell us
about it?
Speaker 8 (29:18):
You never talked about what we're talking about. But I
was delayed because of President Trump. But what I can
tell you is this that they are out to get us.
And the new book I've got I went to prison
so you won't have to is all about how not
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only did they come after me, they came after President Trump,
they came after Steve Bannon. They targeted everybody I served
with in the White House in some manner with these
tools of law fare. And when I was in prison
for four months for defending the Constitution, I had the
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discipline to do a daily journal talk about these things,
and I got this book out because if we don't
hold these people accountable. They're going to just keep doing it.
Everybody I served with in the White House the first
term I was there for all four years, got targeted
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by the left in some way. The easiest thing that
would happen is they'd have to pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars or millions of dollars in legal fees. That's
the best they could do serving their country. The worst
you could do is what just freaking happened with my
brother Charlie Kirk taking a bullet by an assassin. And
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then then they four times they tried to put President
Trump in prison, two times they tried to kill them, Bannon,
myself in prison, Mike Flynn, Rudy Giuliani. So this is
not a good time for this Republic. But we're fighting back, sir.
(31:13):
And that's why I wrote I went to prison so
you won't have to. And by the way, I don't
know if you saw the speech I gave at the
Republican National Convention, but that speech was given the night
of the day I actually got out of prison, and
it's a wake up call. So I hope your listeners
(31:34):
and viewers will pay attention to this case. We can't
let them get power back. They will keep doing this
again until we hold them accountable.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Peter Navarrow with us now he started four months in prison.
What was prison like? I can't imagine. It was a
very fun experience, but hopefully most of people will never know.
And the idea that you were there for political persecution
is even more bonkers. But in terms of the physical
day to day for four months is like what in
your experience?
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, that's one of the stories that I went to prison,
so you won't have to. You know, it's a law
fair story about kind of how I got in there.
It's a love story about how my fiance Pixie and
I were able to manage the trauma of four months
in prison. But then the inside there's a couple of
things going on. I mean, you see kind of day
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to day life of how for example, you know, I
lost twelve pounds, I got COVID twice because of the
of the conditions in there. You know, I saw some
some some no shortage of violence, no shortage of danger,
but no shortage of humanity as well. I mean, they're
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they're they're good people in there who did bad things,
not just bad people who did bad things. And it's
just trying to navigate your way through that is a test,
the test of who you are and what you stand for.
And there's a funny story the beginning of I went
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to prison so you won't have to about getting me
getting surrounded in the yard by three guys and I'm thinking,
you know, okay, what's going to go wrong here? And
one of them starts talking about how how they liked me.
He use the word like they did, and uh, they
say why because I wasn't a snitch, And inside and
(33:32):
I kind of kept a straight face, but inside I'm
want to laughing my ass off because I'm trying to
figure out, like the moral equivalence between me refusing a
congressional subpoena to defend the Constitution and these guys in
the classical snitch is not not not snitching on their
fellow criminals. So there's stuff like that. There's some significant moments.
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I say, I saved one guy's life, I arguably helping
him get some emergency medical care. And I think one
of the most interesting stories inside the story is how
I became essentially an investigative reporter that uncovered a five
billion dollar, billion dollar scandal inside the Bureau of Prisons
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that now that I'm on the outside, I'd been able
to actually solve. So I think that's like a unique
historical moment that you'll never see. And I tell that
story as well.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
But where were you, Peter on election night? And what
was your reaction to Trump's victory?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh? This is great.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
So I get out of prison on July seventeenth, two
days after my birthday. The son of a bitch has
kept me in prison. It wouldn't let me out two
days early for my birthday. I give the speech that night,
and then Pitchy and I immediately go on the campaign
trail on the on the Trump bus and we were
going to uh, Georgia, We're going to Pennsylvania. We're going
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to North Carolina, working really hard. Uh, we'd go. I'd
go to sometimes I'd be the warm up one of
the warm up speakers for a Trump rally, things like that.
And so the night, the night of the election night
is like at midnight into three am in the morning,
I'm with the Boss and where I think it was?
(35:30):
Where was it the Morne may somewhere out He's He's
going on for like two hours in a speech like
he loves to do and stuff like that. Leaving.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think it was Grand Rapids, Michigan. If I'm not.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Michigan, that's right, it was Grand Rapids. We're up in
you know, the usual basketball hockey rink up in the country,
you and I love up in you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Know, flyover country.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Uh, and he hits three in the morning before we
get out of there and we land Uh beck in DC,
I don't know, good morning, something like that. And you
know I was. There was no doubt in my mind
he was gonna win that race.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
For Peter and Navarro. The show is ending here, but
I want you guys to go check it out. I
went to prison so you wouldn't have to won't have to.
A love and law fair story in trump Land being
released yesterday, guys, I'll be out tomorrow. I'll see a
bunch of you up in Michigan. Buckle have you. I'll
be back on Monday. Love y'all. Slay Travis and Buck
(36:36):
Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome an hour number three, Thursday edition
Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is on the road
traveling with his family. He will have the show tomorrow solo,
as I'll be up in Michigan doing a keynote for
(00:20):
the Michigan Republican Party, and to look forward to seeing
a bunch of you there. There are a lot of
different stories that we have been talking about, and I
thought I would circle back the top of the third
hour here to what is unquestionably the biggest story out
there right now. Jimmy Kimmel suspended, potentially going to be
fired over comments that he made on the air Monday.
(00:44):
Got a lot of thoughts on those still. You should
know we're going to be joined by Peter Navarro. I
imagine he will have some thoughts on free speech given
what happened to him. He will be with us at
the bottom of the hour on the program. Here, let's
go back into the Jimmy Kimmel controversy. I've got some
(01:04):
more thoughts and I want to get your reactions. Eight
hundred and two to two eight A two. You can
also give us talkbacks. Let's play one more time, because
I know many people join the show at different times.
This is what created the latest free speech controversy. This
was Monday, during the monologue Jimmy Kimmel on the Charlie
Kirk assassination Listen.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
We hit some new.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Lows over the weekend with the Maggi gang desperately trying
to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
other than one of them and everything they can to
score political points from it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, so that is the that is the commentary. It
tied in in the minds of many to this calculated
attempt to try to make this crazy assassin seem as
if he were a member of the Trump's supporting right.
And there was a very calculated attempt to try to say, oh,
(02:06):
the reason Charlie Kirk was assassinated was because he wasn't
right wing enough, when all of the evidence that you
have all been exposed to and had shared with you,
certainly on this program and in other places, clearly evinces
that this was a guy who was dating a trans person.
Family says had gone far left wing, wrote anti fascist,
(02:30):
anti Nazi, pro trans messages, on the shellcasings of his
of the bullets of the weapon that he was planning
to use to kill Charlie Kirk. All of these things
clearly demonstrate that he was of the left and that
he was motivated by a decade plus of people out
there calling Donald Trump and his supporters hitler and Nazis.
(02:55):
And now that there is a suspension that has come
thanks to some of the affiliate stations out there saying
we won't air this, there is now a pushback in
an aggressive way against the idea that Jimmy Kimmel should
have been suspended over this. I'm gonna play some of
that audio so that you have a context of what's
(03:16):
going on, But let me just say this. I think
in general, you have to remain committed to principle over politics,
even sometimes when it leads to situations that you may
not like. The left has not done that, and the left,
(03:37):
in fact, let's use Disney examples. Roseanne Barr shared a
tweet that was deemed to be unacceptable and she was
immediately canceled, even though she was on the most popular
show on ABC at the time other than sports, most
popular scripted show, and they wrote off her character as
(03:59):
dying of a drug overdose. Gina Carano was on the
most popular streaming show in all of Disney, plus The Mandalorian.
She shared opinions that were considered to bexpected unacceptable on
social media. She was fired. So when the left has
established and when the Disney Corporation has established that their
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standard of speech is, if we decide that it is
unacceptable in any way, we're going to fire you. I
don't think they have any legs to stand on with
Jimmy Kimmel, I just don't. I think they have cut
the legitimacy of their arguments out from underneath me. Now,
some of you are not going to appreciate this argument,
but I have made it consistently. Some of you are
(04:45):
going to nod along and say this is important. I
don't think anybody actually benefits from cancel culture. I don't
think society benefits from cancel culture. I don't think when
they tried to cancel Rush that that was a benefit
for this show. And many of you who listened to
Rush know exactly what I'm talking about. Rush was at
the forefront of cancel culture. I not surprisingly to some
(05:09):
of you out there, people have tried to cancel me
for a long time. In fact, I shared this clip
from eight years ago this week when I went on CNN.
I've been banned from CNN for making a joke when
I said, Hey, the only two things I've ever believed
in completely are the First Amendment in boobs. If you
haven't heard that, here it is. CNN has still banned
me for that. Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I
(05:31):
believe in only two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs.
And so once they made the decision that they were
not related commentary, they called, I.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Just want to make sure I heard you correctly as
a woman anchoring the show, did you say what did
you just say? You believe in the First Amendment ends btwbs.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Boobs, two things that have only never let me down
in this entire country's history, the First Amendment and boobs.
So those are the only two things I believe absolutely
in the country.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly,
b oo ze or boobs, because as a woman, I'm
i'm as.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
In boobs, I believe completely in the First Amendment and
in boobs. Those are the only two things I believe
one hundred percent in in this country. And by the way,
Jamel has actually sit up there.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
To say that live on national television and with a
female host.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Why I say it live on the radio all the time,
because it's true, and that's what I do because I
like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what
I said. All right, So if you haven't seen that clip.
Eight years ago, that was the number one trending story
in America, Brooke Baldwin wrote an editorial essentially demanding that
I'd be fired. I was doing sports talker radio. Everybody
(06:49):
tried to get me fired over that. Now it's ironic,
certainly that to make a point about believing in the
First Amendment, I would do it in a humorous that
would get more attention and not immediately apologized to a
woman who tried to play the identity politics card live
on CNN and tried to get me fired. But all
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of these people that claim now that they are First
Amendment warriors for Jimmy Kimmel, they cheered when Roseanne Barr
was fired, They cheered when Gina Carano was fired, They
cheered when Tucker Carlson was taken off the air. They
would cheer and do cartwheels if I or Buck were
(07:32):
taken off the air, because they aren't really committed to
the First Amendment. They are committed to removing people they
disagree with from the airwaves. And that's why I think
the principle here matters, because the politics is constantly going
to shift. I've said before when Bill Maher got pulled
(07:55):
off the air ABC on a show called Politically Incorrect
for making politically incorrect comments about terrorists, I didn't think
that was appropriate. Now, Bill Maher's talented enough that HBO
came and they hired him, and he's probably got a
way better show now than he did when he was
at ABC. I give credit to the boss that Buck
and I have now and the reason that I am
(08:17):
sitting talking to all of you, Julie Talbot, because at iHeart,
they are committed to allowing people from a wide variety
of perspectives to be able to talk to large audiences.
There's a big difference between what you will hear on
this show and what Charlemagne the God will say, or
what Bobby Bones will say, or what Ryan Seacrest will say,
(08:38):
or what Steve Harvey will say. That's good That's how
the country should be. You should be able to go
out and be exposed to the largest possible collection of
arguments out there and the largest possible collection of entertainers.
Now Here is my take on why I don't necessarily
(08:59):
agree with the way all this went down. I think
firing someone because of something that they said on air
is a form of cancel culture. For sure. If you
do not believe that Jimmy Kimmel's show is worthy of
being on the air, just pull it. They didn't pull
Stephen Colbert directly because of something he said on the air.
(09:20):
They said, he's losing forty million dollars a year. We
don't want to be in this business anymore. I think
we all, all of us actually end up in a
worse place when we are saying, you can't make that
joke that's offensive, you can't use that word in that context.
All of these things, I think actually limit the larger
(09:41):
scope of discussion in this country. So I'm probably going
to be the only person on the planet who said,
wrong decision on Roseanne, wrong decision on Gina Carano, and
I think wrong decision on the timing surrounding Jimmy Kimmel now,
I have tons of thoughts, and we've talked about it
all on the program, about the decline of late night
(10:02):
television and the fact that basically all late night television
turned into left wing propaganda where you can only make
fun of one side, and as a result, they destroyed
their business in the process. That I have no issue with.
If tomorrow iHeart decided, hey, you know what, Clay, you
(10:25):
and Buck, your show's not highly rated enough. You're not
making us enough money. We got to move on, I'd say, hey,
you know what, that's a business imperative. By the way,
thanks to you guys, that's not the case. In fact,
we just found out yesterday ratings are up twenty five
percent over last year. That's pretty damn good. Thank you,
But that's the business we're in. If you don't make
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your boss's money, then at some point in time, they're
going to come to you and they're going to try
to find somebody who can or somebody who will. And
so if Disney had had the hutzba to come forward
and say, you know what, we're not getting a great
rating in this hour, we think it's time to move
on and try something new in that hour With ABC,
we think we can make more money doing something else.
(11:05):
I would have said, hey, you know what, more power
to you. I think deciding to pull him based on
comments ultimately is not beneficial. And some of you out
there goes, oh, at some point, I don't know what
it's going to be. They'll come for us. You know this.
They came for Rush now, I hope partly because of
what I did eight years ago when they came for me.
(11:27):
I like to think that I'm somewhat uncancellable. I'd like
to think that Buck is somewhat uncancellable. But when you
set the precedent that what people say on live shows
can lead to them losing their job immediately, it's never
going to stop, right, And that's what the left is
learning right now. They made these rules, and now they're
(11:48):
looking around and saying, wait a minute, I don't like
these rules. This is why people like me have been saying. Ultimately,
the precedent is going to blow up on YouTube, and
so there are going to be at some point in
time eight years from now, might be ten years from now.
But if we establish the precedent of if someone says
something I don't like, they can't make a living doing
(12:09):
that job anymore. Eventually, it's going to boomerang back on
the right, just like it's boomeranging back on the left
right now. And I'm gonna be the guy sitting back saying, hey,
I don't think that's the right decision, and I'm going
to stand on principle over the politics of the moment.
Now again, if CBS, when CBS made the decision, hey
(12:29):
Colbert's gone, We're losing forty million dollars a year, I
think that's a rational, reasonable choice that they could make.
I'm a business guy. I ran a media business. They
are people we've had to move on from because we
can't afford their salary because they're not actually making us money.
You heard stephen A and I have this exact discussion
on Tuesday where he said, ultimately, all of our jobs
come down to are we making bosses money? And if
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you're not, you're not going to be employed very long.
This is, not, however, to me, a First Amendment issue.
It's a creative freedom issue, because nobody is keeping Jimmy
Kimmel from coming out and saying exactly what he thinks.
In any other form. He can start a podcast, he
can start a YouTube, Channel. Same thing for Stephen Colbert.
Look at what Tucker did when Fox News took him
(13:14):
off the air. It has never been easier for the
name on the back of the jersey to be able
to be followed anywhere. So I don't buy into this
idea of, oh my god, this is the biggest attack
on the First Amendment that we've ever seen. You know what,
a real attack on the First Amendment would look like,
murdering somebody in cold blood while they're at a free
speech event because you don't like what they are saying,
(13:36):
which is exactly what happened to Charlie Kirk. And it's
why there is a strong argument to be made that
part of the sickness that afflicts the left in this
country is they are more outspoken about a comedian not
being able to continue on his late night comedy show
than they are a dad being assassinated in cold blood
at a free speech event. One of those is a
(13:58):
significant threat to free speed each in America. That is
Charlie Kirk's assassination. The other is just a debate about
where a person should go to share his or her opinions.
It has never been easier for everybody in America to
share their opinions than it is today. I'll take some
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reached out said he's about to hop on a call
with the President of the United States, so he may
or may not be with us at the bottom of
the hour. But a lot of you weighing in on
(16:07):
the show so far during the course of the program,
and VIP email from Jennifer just came in. Didn't ABC
just lose a big lawsuit from Trump? Could it be
that Kimmel was fired because they were afraid of another lawsuit.
They didn't lose the lawsuit, they settled it. But I
think what you are getting at, Jennifer is ABC that
(16:29):
is owned by Disney basically decided they didn't think Jimmy
Kimmel was worth the risk that the Jimmy Kimmel Show
was creating. Now, you want to know what's really going
on here, Disney's trying to buy the NFL network, and
they're trying to curry favor from the Trump administration to
get that approved. I'm just telling you that's really if
(16:54):
you're if you're wondering, hey, what's going on? Why is
Disney suddenly sucking up to Trump? And anyway, why are
they firing Jimmy Kimmel. Why did Stephen Colbert get fired?
It's because those guys, Colbert and Kimmel were seen as
problems more than they were seen as talent. And this
is where great lesson for life. So long as your
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talent exceeds your problems, you're always going to be employed.
If you're a great quarterback in the NFL, you can
get away with a lot. If you're not a very
good quarterback, you get fired. If you are making your
employers a lot of money, like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen
Colbert used to do fifteen years ago, they'll take a
(17:39):
lot of flak for you. As soon as they start
losing money and they need to get approval on mergers
or acquisitions. Guess what, your butt's getting kicked to the curb.
I think that's the bigger story here of what's actually
going on. We come back, we'll take more of your calls.
We'll break all that down for you. But our friends
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to weigh in on the Jimmy Kimmel News. By the way,
Peter Navarro was going to be on with us. We'll
try to schedule him later, maybe tomorrow if he can't
get in today. He was going to talk with all
of us, but he's now on the phone with the President. Yeah,
kind of an important thing to do. I think a
lot of you out there weighing in, though. Let's see
(19:16):
Kenny in Central Texas. What you got for is Kenny, thank.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
You for having me. I just just wanted to point
out I've noticed that no one has mentioned that the
Democrats and the dj to press freedom of speech by
creating this concept of misinterpretation or misinformation or disinformation. And
I don't understand why no one's pointed out that what
Kimmel did was exactly misinformation and disinformation and would be
(19:44):
silenced using the Biden rules.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, thank you for the call. Of course, it wouldn't
be silenced by the Biden rules, because the Biden rules
were not about actually trying to create a fair and
even playing field. They were about labeling speech. They did
not like misinformation or disinformation. And look, I've testified in
front of Congress about this and one of the reasons
(20:07):
why there are so many but Trump's win in twenty
twenty four was so incredibly important. Is all of the
people lecturing you right now about how Jimmy Kimmel's free
speech rights are being restricted. We're fine with Twitter, Facebook, Pinterurist, Instagram, TikTok,
every major social media platform in the country banning the
(20:28):
sitting president of the United States, every single one. I
think the number of people that are upset by Jimmy
Kimmel's cancelation and cheered President Trump's cancelation is almost almost
one hundred percent consistent right what I'm pointing out, And
I think this is important, and I understand power shifts,
(20:51):
power shifts, and right now, I love that Trump is
in office, and I hope that there are saying Republicans
in leadership for decades to come. History teaches us that
is not going to be true. Right now. What I say,
what Buck says, is favored by the party that happens
to control the White House and the Senate and the
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House of Representatives. That's great, It's not always going to
be the case. And so if you set the standard
of speech that is acceptable is determined by the party
in power at any particular time, you are not standing
on principle. You are standing on power and minority speech rights.
And I don't mean you know, Black, Asian, Hispanic speech right.
(21:36):
I mean the party that is not in power, not
the majority. Minority speech rights are the most important in
the country. I had a con law professor. She was
actually a left winger, but she had a great line.
The reason why we focus on trying to protect minority
speech rights is she would always say, uh, free speech
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in a democracy without protection for speech is two wolves
and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. It's a great line.
Without free speech protections in a democracy, all we have
is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
The sheep always gets slaughtered. The person who doesn't have
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the votes gets wiped out. That's why principle matters. So
I think the Supreme Court got the ruling wrong on
Biden censoring people like me and Bach who were critics
of his COVID vaccine policy. You heard Eric Trump on
with us a little bit earlier. They went to Facebook
and they threatened Mark Zuckerberg and they said, if you
(22:46):
don't restrict speech, then we are going to have significant
impact on you. I mean, I'm just telling you this
is the reality in which we live beyond to a
shadow of a doubt, A lot of you weighing in.
By the way, let me see if I can make
sure that I get everybody's name right. Peter Navarro, by
the way, has reached out. He's going to call us
(23:07):
here to close out the show, so we will get
him as well. But let me try to get a
couple more y'all in Fast Tracy and Wisconsin. What you
got well?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Three things. A boss can fire an employee if he
thinks that person said something horrible that either the boss
doesn't like or customers don't like. Number two, Jimmy Kimmel
is not totally censored. He can go on other platforms
and speak. And number three, he did say something that
these days, what you say if it could harm another
(23:39):
group or people? He said, you know, regarding Mega. I
mean people these days, they hear something negative about a
group and they take bad actions. I'm not for censorship,
but a boss can fire someone for saying something horrible
that either the boss doesn't like or employees. And I
kind of look at it that way with Jimmy Kimmel,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
For the call. I think the second part of what
you said is also supremely important. Free speech is not
you aren't guaranteed a platform. Jimmy Kimmel can go speak anywhere.
If I heartfires me tomorrow, I can try to find
somewhere new to go talk to as many people as
I want. The government did not take this act. Disney did. Now.
(24:20):
Was there pressure from the government, Yeah, what's that pressure?
They want to be able to buy the NFL network,
and Disney decided for its business being able to buy
the NFL network is more important. That is what I
think is the story is more important than Jimmy Kimmel
doing a comedy show. David in Minneapolis. What you got?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The previous color kind of stole my thunder. But you
know what, guys, the Democrats started us down this road
decades ago. We've been punching bags for these punks for
long enough, and it's time that we use their own
texts and methods against them and shove it right back
down their throat. You said that it might blow up
in our face. It's been blowing up in our face
for and what if we do nothing this time, the
(25:02):
next time the Democrats are in power, they're going to say,
oh yeah, well, they kind of played nice last time.
Maybe we'll give them a break. No, They're always going
to go for our throat. It's time for us to
fight back.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I certainly understand that argument. I did in my most
recent book, a whole section on how to deal with
Cancel Culture twenty thirty pages, American Playbook. If you like coffee,
you can get an autographed copy of my book at
Crocketcoffee dot com. Code book. Totally understand that, Totally understand
that argument. My perspective in general is the most important
(25:36):
right we have is free speech, and I think we
need to defend it even from people that we disagree with,
because the principle of free speech over time is the
only thing that keeps us free in my opinion, Have
Democrats been wrong on many free speech issues for decades? Yes?
(25:57):
Are they now reaping the consequences of the cure they created? Yes?
Do I think that one day, Buck, or me or
some of you are going to also reap the consequences
of the culture that was created by Democrats? Yes, potentially
as well. Let's see podcast listener, tim Gg. What you
(26:18):
got for us.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Quickly was that the first time I've heard the first
amendment in Booths story by far the best way to
get banned from CNN.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
That is the best way to get banned from CNN.
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stole on the phone with President Trump, so we may
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Speaker 7 (27:55):
Us, Clay, I agree fully with you about the free
speech point. And as you know, the First Amendment protects
freedom of speech, freedom of press. I take it from
your point you would say speech is more important than press.
Here's my question. We hear a lot about hate speech,
and we even hear it from the press talking about
hate speech, but we never hear anything on the other
(28:17):
side about restrictions on the press the same way people
want to restrict speech. Wanted to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, it's a smart question. And England, for instance, has
way more stringent standards when it comes to defamation, which
is either spoken with slander or written with libel, and
so you will sometimes see prominent figures choose to sue
in England, where the press is held to a more
(28:47):
stringent standard than in the United States. Now, I could
probably do a whole deep dive on this, and I
bet the guy joining us right now. Peter Navarro could
too a lot of this, as we see in speech,
parameter code and law now comes out of Times v. Sullivan,
which is the Supreme Court case dealing with the most
of this. I could do an entire show on Times v.
(29:07):
Sullivon and some of the flaws, but we bring in
Peter Navarro right now. Peter, you were just talking with
President Trump. I believe he's on his way back from England.
What was that conversation? Like, what can you tell us
about it?
Speaker 8 (29:18):
You never talked about what we're talking about. But I
was delayed because of President Trump. But what I can
tell you is this that they are out to get us.
And the new book I've got I went to prison
so you won't have to is all about how not
(29:41):
only did they come after me, they came after President Trump,
they came after Steve Bannon. They targeted everybody I served
with in the White House in some manner with these
tools of law fare. And when I was in prison
for four months for defending the Constitution, I had the
(30:03):
discipline to do a daily journal talk about these things,
and I got this book out because if we don't
hold these people accountable. They're going to just keep doing it.
Everybody I served with in the White House the first
term I was there for all four years, got targeted
(30:26):
by the left in some way. The easiest thing that
would happen is they'd have to pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars or millions of dollars in legal fees. That's
the best they could do serving their country. The worst
you could do is what just freaking happened with my
brother Charlie Kirk taking a bullet by an assassin. And
(30:51):
then then they four times they tried to put President
Trump in prison, two times they tried to kill them, Bannon,
myself in prison, Mike Flynn, Rudy Giuliani. So this is
not a good time for this Republic. But we're fighting back, sir.
(31:13):
And that's why I wrote I went to prison so
you won't have to. And by the way, I don't
know if you saw the speech I gave at the
Republican National Convention, but that speech was given the night
of the day I actually got out of prison, and
it's a wake up call. So I hope your listeners
(31:34):
and viewers will pay attention to this case. We can't
let them get power back. They will keep doing this
again until we hold them accountable.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Peter Navarrow with us now he started four months in prison.
What was prison like? I can't imagine. It was a
very fun experience, but hopefully most of people will never know.
And the idea that you were there for political persecution
is even more bonkers. But in terms of the physical
day to day for four months is like what in
your experience?
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, that's one of the stories that I went to prison,
so you won't have to. You know, it's a law
fair story about kind of how I got in there.
It's a love story about how my fiance Pixie and
I were able to manage the trauma of four months
in prison. But then the inside there's a couple of
things going on. I mean, you see kind of day
(32:27):
to day life of how for example, you know, I
lost twelve pounds, I got COVID twice because of the
of the conditions in there. You know, I saw some
some some no shortage of violence, no shortage of danger,
but no shortage of humanity as well. I mean, they're
(32:48):
they're they're good people in there who did bad things,
not just bad people who did bad things. And it's
just trying to navigate your way through that is a test,
the test of who you are and what you stand for.
And there's a funny story the beginning of I went
(33:10):
to prison so you won't have to about getting me
getting surrounded in the yard by three guys and I'm thinking,
you know, okay, what's going to go wrong here? And
one of them starts talking about how how they liked me.
He use the word like they did, and uh, they
say why because I wasn't a snitch, And inside and
(33:32):
I kind of kept a straight face, but inside I'm
want to laughing my ass off because I'm trying to
figure out, like the moral equivalence between me refusing a
congressional subpoena to defend the Constitution and these guys in
the classical snitch is not not not snitching on their
fellow criminals. So there's stuff like that. There's some significant moments.
(33:58):
I say, I saved one guy's life, I arguably helping
him get some emergency medical care. And I think one
of the most interesting stories inside the story is how
I became essentially an investigative reporter that uncovered a five
billion dollar, billion dollar scandal inside the Bureau of Prisons
(34:22):
that now that I'm on the outside, I'd been able
to actually solve. So I think that's like a unique
historical moment that you'll never see. And I tell that
story as well.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
But where were you, Peter on election night? And what
was your reaction to Trump's victory?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh? This is great.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
So I get out of prison on July seventeenth, two
days after my birthday. The son of a bitch has
kept me in prison. It wouldn't let me out two
days early for my birthday. I give the speech that night,
and then Pitchy and I immediately go on the campaign
trail on the on the Trump bus and we were
going to uh, Georgia, We're going to Pennsylvania. We're going
(35:07):
to North Carolina, working really hard. Uh, we'd go. I'd
go to sometimes I'd be the warm up one of
the warm up speakers for a Trump rally, things like that.
And so the night, the night of the election night
is like at midnight into three am in the morning,
I'm with the Boss and where I think it was?
(35:30):
Where was it the Morne may somewhere out He's He's
going on for like two hours in a speech like
he loves to do and stuff like that. Leaving.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think it was Grand Rapids, Michigan. If I'm not.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Michigan, that's right, it was Grand Rapids. We're up in
you know, the usual basketball hockey rink up in the country,
you and I love up in you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Know, flyover country.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Uh, and he hits three in the morning before we
get out of there and we land Uh beck in DC,
I don't know, good morning, something like that. And you
know I was. There was no doubt in my mind
he was gonna win that race.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
For Peter and Navarro. The show is ending here, but
I want you guys to go check it out. I
went to prison so you wouldn't have to won't have to.
A love and law fair story in trump Land being
released yesterday, guys, I'll be out tomorrow. I'll see a
bunch of you up in Michigan. Buckle have you. I'll
be back on Monday. Love y'all. Slay Travis and Buck
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