September 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives deep into the cultural and political fault lines shaping Gen Z America, with a sharp focus on gender roles, family values, and the generational divide in defining success. Using fresh NBC News polling data, Clay and Buck analyze how young men and women—particularly Trump and Harris voters—prioritize career, marriage, children, and emotional stability. The hosts argue that Gen Z men who support President Trump tend to value family formation, financial independence, and spiritual grounding, while Gen Z women aligned with Vice President Kamala Harris overwhelmingly prioritize career advancement and emotional wellness, placing marriage and motherhood at the bottom of their life goals.
This hour features a critical examination of modern feminism, the biological realities of aging and fertility, and the societal messaging that encourages women to delay family for career ambitions. Clay and Buck explore the psychological consequences of these choices, suggesting that many young women may be projecting personal dissatisfaction through political activism—such as labeling Trump “Hitler” at public events. The discussion also touches on dating trends, the decline of one-on-one relationships, and the impact of technology and ride-sharing on youth independence.
Listeners call in to share real-life perspectives. Stacy from Minnesota, a mother of 12, emphasizes raising children with Christian values and encourages her daughters to embrace womanhood without competing with men. Darcy from Houston, a mother of two Gen Z daughters, discusses homeschooling, life balance across stages, and managing a real estate investment portfolio while supporting her daughters’ academic and personal growth.
The hour concludes with breaking news of a shooting involving conservative activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University. Clay and Buck react in real time, expressing deep concern and calling for prayers. Kirk, known for his work with Turning Point USA and youth outreach, was reportedly hit in the neck during a live campus event. The hosts reflect on his impact, draw comparisons to President Trump’s previous shooting incident, and warn of the broader implications for political discourse and national unity.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck gets going
right now, everybody, thank you for being here with us.
And something that got well, honestly, just moved down the
news priority list because of some of the huge things
that have been going on this week. But I want
to spend some time to talking about it because it
is one of those broad conversations about politics and America
(00:23):
and what's going on today that answers a lot of
questions right now and also gives us a sense as
to what the future is going to look like, what
is going on when it comes to men and women
and their views of life, specifically for Gen Z adults. Now,
(00:44):
all of our boomers boomers listening, we love you. This matters,
as you know, because these are your kids or grandkids
in many cases, and they shall inherit this republic of ours.
And there's some really stark differences. This is from NBC
News polling data about people eighteen to twenty nine years old.
(01:10):
So that's Gen Z. I am a gray beard millennial. Clay,
what are you? Silent generation? You're some other You're not
a millennial.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I am the youngest Gen x'jo. I am the youngest
generation member of the generation that has saved America by
supporting Dona more than any other generation.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My older brother who is also of your generation, you
guys are the same age. Mason very quick to point
out that Gen X probably has the best generation rep
right now. It's certainly in the media world like everyone's
like Gen X just getting it done, all cool and
you know, collected, uh, millennials, we got some rough stuff
because we complained a lot about the housing and mortgage
(01:52):
meltdown stuff in two thousand and eight and what that
did to our careers. But let's let's look at the
gen Z situation right now, because Clay, perhaps this is
something you've addressed in your upcoming book. Pauls ye men
men are trending in a very clear direction in that generation.
So young men, young adult men right now. This is
(02:15):
from NBC News data. Young men who voted for Trump.
So gen Z eighteen to twenty nine, who voted for Trump.
What is important to a personal definition of success? Thirty
four percent of them said having children, thirty three percent,
financial independence, thirty percent, fulfilling job career, twenty nine percent,
(02:38):
being married. And then they go into some other things,
doing what you want, being grounded spiritually, twenty four percent.
Got to get those are rookie numbers on spiritual grant,
but you know, we got to get that up a
little bit, making community proud, all this stuff, right, women
who voted for Harris, this is what was really stark.
So remember young men who vote for Trump, young women
(03:00):
who vote for Harris. That's what we're looking at here.
Fifty one percent said fulfilling job or career. That's the
number one thing by far, fulfilling job, having money to
do what you want, forty six percent emotional stability, which
a lot of these women gotta work on, I gotta
tell you. Thirty nine percent financial independence, thirty two percent
(03:22):
have it using your talents, thirty seven percent owning a home,
twenty percent having children. Clay and being married were tied
for them at the very bottom of the list at
six percent. This is a vision of two paths for
(03:43):
the genders in America as defined by political affiliation today
or separated by political affiliation today. All these women who
are voting for Harris, who are in their twenties don't
care at all about family formation, which is stunning. Honestly,
you see that data, It is stunning.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I think it's a sign and this is probably gonna
get clipped, so prepare yourselves for the headlines.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I love it when he does this. Where's media matters
go for it?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I think it's a sign that women are have
been sold to mass delusion, a lot of young women.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And let me explain why. The only reason to.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Want, in my opinion, a fulfilling job and a career
is so you can afford.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To have a family.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I look, there are relatively few people whose careers are
so important that they change the world. Okay, if you
told me right now, Hey, Elon Musk, Yeah, he might
not be a great dad. I think he's an incredible
and he might be a great dad. I'm not saying
it's a negative, but I'm saying like his career is
(04:52):
so important potentially to the future of the civilization that
I can say, Okay, that seems like a real good
use of his time. You would want, I think people
who are supreme geniuses. If you could, you have two kids,
or you could solve cancer, I would submit to you.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Ideally you could do both, but if you had.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
To choose, curing cancer would be a better societal benefit
than you having two kids. Most people have jobs, though
not to cure cancer or to solve all the issues
that Evon Musk is trying to solve, but just to
be able to have the resources to have children.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's a means to an end to pay bills. That's
why you get paid for it. If it were fun,
they wouldn't have to pay you for it. Now, some jobs,
there's like Clay and I are lucky. We both love
our jobs and we get paid for it. But it
took a long time to get to a place where
that was the case. And this is the reality for
a lot of women play right now. I saw this
(05:53):
from my graduating class at Amherst, Okay, at Emher's College.
There are all these women who at that time, we're
going into management consulting like McKenzie bain remember where Mitt
Romney was, or they went into investment banking. That is
a situation where you are going to work eighty hours
(06:16):
a week for years and years and years to make money.
You are not curing cancer, you are not. All of
the women that I knew who went into that dropped out.
All of them dropped out because that is not the
way that they want to spend their lives. But society
had set them up for this society had convinced them
(06:37):
that this is what they should do.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I also think, and again, these are eighteen to twenty
nine year olds women who voted for Harris, men who
voted for Trump. I also think it is likely to
be the number one complaint of the Harris voting women
that they can't find good men worth dating and having
families with. But all of the young men who are
(07:01):
Trump voters actually want to get married and have kids,
and the women don't want to. And here's the other
thing about this that I think is indicative of having
been sold.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
A false bill of goods.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And by the way, eight hundred and two two two
eight a two, maybe you are in this eighteen to
twenty nine year old female group and you want to react,
maybe you are in the male group. But what is
interesting to me about this as well, Buck, is the
women should be the ones focused on having children because
and I don't want to throw anybody into a full
(07:33):
panic here, but a twenty nine year old woman who
hasn't gotten married and hasn't had kids has a biological
clock to worry about that a twenty nine year old
man does not have in the same way to worry about. So,
if anything, these should be flipped buck because women, because
of biology, have to think about having children at younger
(07:57):
ages than men do.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
If you're over thirty five, it's a geriatric it's officially
medically a geriatric pregnancy. That's what they call it, a
geriatric pregnancy. And the risks factors go up all across.
They should tell people this in schools. By the way,
I didn't learn this stuff until I was an adult,
to be honest with you, I didn't know all the things,
all the risk factors that increase.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm not saying that that people can make their own
life choices. Some people just want to have a career, some
people don't have a family. It's not about denying anybody
a choice. It's about giving them the facts and the
reality of what is likely and what is true in
general or true in the aggregate about these things. And
for most women, I mean, I'll put it this way, Clay,
most guys that I know, if they weren't trying to
(08:40):
date and orget, you know, date and get married, would
work a lot less hard Yea. They'd spend a lot
more time in leisure and whatever. But they want to
build something they'll want to be providers. There's something instinctive
and instinctual for men about this. For women, they are
generally not always generally set up differently for what will
(09:02):
be a successful and happy life path, but the influences. Now,
you grew up in a more traditional Americana place than
I did, so I can speak from the New York
City perspective, which is the same in Los Angeles, and
very similar in Chicago, and very similar in d C.
And you know these urban centers where the women of
(09:22):
my generation were all told you need to be you
need to compete with men in the workplace, you need
to spend the same kind of hours. You need to
put your career first and figure out family later. And
I have seen it now that I'm in my forties.
This has resulted in life path disappointment and in some
cases devastation for a lot of very talented and you know,
(09:43):
wonderful young women who now can have families or never
had a family, and they want to. I'm not talking
to the people that don't want to. They want to,
but they got their timelines mixed up. I see this
women who vote for Harris Thing and none of them
care about being married or having children, they're going to
change their So for what you can be the first
female VP at the marketing firm at age thirty five
(10:04):
or at age forty, You think that that's guys generally
want to do that so they can have a wife
and kids that they can provide for. Yes, what you
are aspiring to to be a suit in middle management
is what people usually do so they can have kids.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And when I look at this, I just think that
young women have been sold a bill of goods on
what the goal of life is. Because if your goal
is just to a mass job title and then die
by yourself, okay, that seems kind of lonely. It seems
not very fulfilling. And I just think that a lot
(10:51):
of young women and I think, frankly, Buck, this is
what you're seeing these women they get older, they deeply
inside this is me psychoanalyzing, They deeply inside reject some
of the choices that they made to give up a
family to be to your point of VP and a
(11:11):
bland accounting firm or something. No offense to everybody out
there working in accounting, but I don't think people are
doing cartwheels into the accounting office every day because they
feel like they're changing the world in such a positive way,
and they make politics their life's focus because they have
to pour their energy and their soul and their them
(11:33):
and vigor and vitality into something and it's not motherhood
and instead it's Donald Trump as Hitler. I thought about
this gen Z thing when I saw Trump goes to
a steakhouse and there's just a bunch of chicks that
show up and scream a chant that he's Hitler to him,
And you can watch Trump walk over and kind of
look at him like, you chicks are crazy, Like you
(11:55):
can kind of see it, as I guarantee you, in
his head, he's like, what one of these girls doing,
Like how is your life's ambition to show up when
somebody's eating at a steakhouse and call him hitler?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think you've given up the plot on life. And
I think you're a lot of a lot of projection.
The psychologists would call it of their frustration that they
externalize in order to avoid dealing with the realities of
the choices that they have made. So Trump is Hitler.
Gives them something to feel bigger than themselves and like
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they they're a part of something because a lot of
them the choices that they have made. Don't let them
feel that way day in and day out, you know.
I mean I tell my friends this, and my family
is play at the most basic level, not getting into
the spiritual and you know, being a Catholic who's trying
to now become actually more of a of a real
Catholic and going back to the church, but just a
(12:49):
on a basic day to day level. I just think
that take care of your people is my basic life philosophy. Obviously,
your family first and then the people around you, and
that can keep you really busy if you're actually doing that.
If you're taking care of your people, you really don't
have time like those sad people we saw in DC
at the inauguration to be out in the freezing cold
(13:10):
for six hours shouting about how Trump is hitler with
nobody listening. You know. Yeah, But if you don't have
that and you're not taking care of you, And I
don't just mean having kids, and some people can't have kids,
and we're sensitive to that, of course, but the people
around you making decisions to be meaningful in their lives
and to have that consideration and that discipline in your
(13:30):
day to day. That's hard showing up with your purple
hair and you're screaming and your you know, Trump is
is is the Antichrist, although they probably wouldn't put it
that way. He's hitler. That's easy, that's just that's just narcissism.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Here's a question for you as we go to break
and I'd be curious to hear from people again. This
is an NBC News poll eighteen to twenty nine year
old voters what they care about male and female? How
many women are lying? Because when I saw these numbers,
I'm like, how many women feel bad to say, hey,
what matters to me is getting married and having kids
(14:07):
because they feel like they're turning their back on feminism
if they say that, and so they're just lying because
they think other people want to hear. It's crazy to
me that fifty one percent of people would say my
career is my top priority.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, I don't know. Man. I had when before I
met my wife and the love of my life, I
had I had women bail on dates, but I'd asked
them out on because they found out that I was
a trumper. So they said, look, you may be incredibly
charming and have amazing hair, but you voted for Trump,
and I have to back out of this. Now. They
didn't say that first part, but that's what they were thinking.
So I'm just saying some of these ladies are crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think some of them are crazy. I think women
are more susceptible to worrying about what others think in
general than men are, and so I wonder whether they're
being honest in their responses.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Let's get some gen Z to away in on this one.
Gen Z Clay and buck Land out there or parents
of how about that. We'll take your thoughts on this.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show Buck. I
do write a ton about this because I've been thinking
about it a lot, and ultimately, the disconnect between men
(16:46):
and women is leading to no babies.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The overall population in Western civilization is collapsing. Women and
men are not having babies. You gotta have two point
one male or female in union ideally in order to
replace yourself. Right, that's not happening. And when we are
not having babies, I think a lot of people sit
back and say, Okay, what is causing this? And tons
(17:11):
of you are weighing in. I write about it a
lot in balls my very under trying to think under
the radar title about gender roles and how they impacted
the election and how Trump went on and won. You
can find it, you can pre order it, but we're
going to take a bunch of your reactions because we
are flooded with people out there who are saying yes.
(17:34):
And I know every generation thinks, hey, things are different.
For us, things are more challenging. The data actually reflects
that people are not getting together and they're not having
babies on a level that we've never seen in the
history of America before. So I think this is a
thing and we will talk about it when we come back.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
All right, welcome back into Clay on Buck. Every line
lit and we're gonna just Racken Stack calls here because
this is a passionate topic about life choices of young
Americans right now. What's important to them? If you're a
guy you voted for Trump, Yeah, you want a career,
but family, super important, kids, super important. Women who voted
for Kamala Harris according to these numbers, and Clay said,
(19:15):
maybe they're just saying what they should, which is there's
probably some of that, but the numbers are I mean,
they care more about where they're getting their nails done
than whether they're ever going to be married or have kids.
Based on this data, it is, it is outrageous stuff.
They care a lot about their about their career. All right,
we have Stacy first up here. You are a mother
of twelve in Minnesota. Did I get that right? You
(19:36):
are a mom of a dozen?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Wow, that is incredible. So what age did you have
your first baby.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I would have been twenty four when I had my
first son.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And so you have continued and had baby that that's incredible. Okay,
So how many of those are daughters?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
We have seven girls and five boys.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Okay, so I'm fascinated. What are you telling all of
these kids and what do you see from them as
it pertains to gender identity, gender roles, all these different things.
Uh that that you are you're an expert. If you
got seven of one and five of the other.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well, yeah, so you know, we just point them to
the Lord for first and foremost. He's the one who
He's the one who gave him to us, and we're
just they're just on loans, and so we need to
raise them to go into the world and to be
able to know the truth, which is only found in
His word, and also to you know, to be able
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to decipher, to be able to think critically, because obviously
nowadays that's kind of become a lost art.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Can I ask you, I'm curious about this. I want
to ask about the pressure if your your girls feel
pressure to delay family formation in order to do more
career stuff. Maybe you can tackle that one first, But
I also just have to throw in there. Do you
guys travel in like a like a motorcade? Like how
do you do that? You do you have a few suburbans,
you know, like that when the president moves. I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, that's a good question. We have an express fan.
So yeah, it's it's like a mini buss basically, is
kind of you know what you would can call it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I would say, that's fun, that's funny. You have all
your kids on the bus together, like, that's that's a
good time, right.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
And and obviously we have two that just got married
this past summer, so you know, they're starting to leave
the nest and and and they're definitely looking forward to
having their own children.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So yeah, but do you do you do your girls
feel like there's a lot of pressure on them socially
to delay you know, do you ever pick that up
from them that they feel like, oh, you know, at
first I have to make VP at the at the
accounting firm before I could even think about getting married.
Or not so much, no, not so much.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No, they they embrace the role as as a woman,
you know, and that doesn't and that doesn't have to
be competing with men. And I think that's where our
culture has gone wrong. We feel like we have to
compete with men, which we all have our different hells
and abilities and gifts. And why why don't we embrace,
you know, being a woman, because I mean, I don't
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sure don't want to be a man like I wouldn't
want his responsibilities in certain areas. And he can't have children, right,
we know biologically that a man can't have a child.
So like there's a reason God gave us different roles.
And I mean, I'm not saying there's different situations for
different people, but I think the more we fight against
the way we are created, that's why we're in the trouble.
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We're in this world.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Thank you, Thank you so much, family as well, and
that's that's incredible. And uh and Elon would be would
be proud of you for helping to repopulate the world.
You're doing more than your part, So God bless and
thank you so much for calling in. Uh let's twelve kids.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, that's an incredible accomplishment. Darcy in Houston, she said
she's got a couple of gen Z girls. Darcy, what
do you see.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I have two gen z girls. I have a senior
in high school and a senior in college. And we
have raised both of our girls to understand that you
don't have life balance in the day to day. You
have life balance in the cycle of life. So you know,
I was advanced maternal age buck on both of our girls,
(23:18):
and so I like I had a bit of a career.
Then I stepped away. I took time to be with
our kids. I homeschool them. The oldest graduated from homeschool.
She's now Texas A and M University College of Civil Engineering.
And now I haven't gone back to work full time,
but I work on our investments in our real estate
portfolio and we have three passive investments. We have numerous
(23:43):
single family homes and we're looking at an appartment complex.
So you have to understand that the balance of life
is day to day. I mean, I've been a university
professor overseas, We've lived in four different countries. It's life
has been an adventure, and both of our girls look
forward to achieving a balance that fits who they are
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and who that eventual partner husband in their life is.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you think that they're more challenged in their generation
than you were in yours. With balancing that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh absolutely. And the reason that I say that is
because I am Clay. I'm older than you. You're a
young buck in my world. I was born in sixty
nine and dating, I think the huge challenge right now
is dating. My oldest had a boyfriend, but in my
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youngest everything is groups. And I'm sure you see that
with your boys. Everything is a group date. Very seldom
do you have that one on one and even if
it's a one on one boyfriend girlfriend, there's still a group.
Everything is group, and so that opportunity to get to
know someone individually is lost in that generation, and that's
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something that's really hard for parents to overcome.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Thank you for the call, Buck. I don't know if
I've told you this. One of my kids, I won't
say which one was talking to a girl and I said, well,
you should just go get pizza with her, and I
think this is emblematic of their generation in general. He
was like just the two of us and I was
like yeah. It was like they like to call me
(25:30):
an unk. It was like I had given the most
unk advice of all time.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Was like, well, you know, instead.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Of just talking on the phone and not actually seeing
each other in person.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You should just go have pizza together. And I just
remember just the two of us.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
To her point, it is all group gatherings and or
not gathering at all because they're on their cell phones.
And here's the other thing. And I know this has
become huge all over the country. Everyone I knew when
you turn sixteen years old, this may be a little
(26:07):
bit different for you in New York City because you
guys got out and about without cars. Everybody I knew.
It wasn't just when you turned sixteen. It was your
oldest best friend who could suddenly take you in a
car and you could go to the movies, or you
could go to the mall, or you could go to
a fast food or restaurant, or you could go to
a sporting event together to go watch. It was a
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down the days until it could happen. We all knew
when somebody was going to take their driver's test. We
all knew when somebody was getting their permit. Nobody cares.
Kids today are like, eh, I could get a license
or I could not. Now, partly I think it's a
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in a significant way. But that in and of itself,
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Okay, we got some awful news during the break and
we're following it in real time. And obviously the show
is ending right now, so it's unlikely that we are
going to know officially what has happened. But Charlie Kirk,
who is a friend of ours, he's been on the show,
(28:52):
runs Turning Point USA. He was doing a rally at
Utah Valley and I'm trying to get all these facts right.
Obviously it's happening right now. Utah Valley University near Provo.
Video shows that there were shots fired there and he
you know, you probably have seen the incredible work that
(29:16):
Charlie has done. He goes to all these different college
campuses and does these question and answer sessions which have
motivated so many young people, and he was doing one
at Utah Valley just in the last couple of minutes,
there's videos shots being fired.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We're trying to follow it in real time, so we
are updating all of you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We don't have any confirmation beyond the video that there
were shots and it looks like he was hit. We
don't know how bad this is. Absolutely, I honestly, I
feel like I'm gonna throw up. It's's I'm praying for
Charlie right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Look, the videos are up. There's a huge crowd on
Utah Valley's campus and we're trying to follow this in
in real time. He is sitting as he has done
on these megaviral TikTok events for a long time. I mean,
there's probably a thousand people or more at this event
(30:21):
on the center of campus, and you can hear what
sounds like gunshots going off and then again their videos
being posted now here.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Look, I think if the if you can pray, this
would be a good time. Yeah, he's Charlie is hit
in the video, he's hit. Look, Trump got hit of
the neck and Trump was okay. I don't know. I
don't know what we don't none of us know whether
Charlie's We don't know. I can't say he is a
(30:53):
you know, he built a massive organization with Turning Point.
He helped Trump win this last election. He's very outspoken.
I know Charlie, uh personally, I mean he's he's got
a wife and two kids. That's what I was gonna say, Young,
he's an awesome guy. Uh again, I mean you can
(31:19):
all understand. I mean this is uh. I just look,
I pray, I pray for the country, and now this
is this is gonna take us into a very dark place.
If if if this, I mean, I just I'm hoping
we're gonna get We're gonna get reporting here any minute.
That Charlie is it's gonna be okay. He's you know,
in the you know, he's probably you know, taking the hospital.
(31:41):
I'm hoping we're get reporting that Charlie's okay. That's all.
I mean, I don't know what to say beyond that.
I mean, he got shot and then the neck. You know,
we know Trump got Trump got hit in the ear.
I said the neck before Trump got hit in the ear.
Charlie got hit in the neck. If it was a
superficial wound, there's a good chance. But there's obviously carotid artery,
and you know, this is a I don't know what
(32:04):
caliber he was. I can't believe we're sitting here and
this is happening as we're on the show right now,
and Clay, it's yeah, Fox's reporting, CNN is reporting, We've
seen the videos.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Look, this is I honestly, it's tough when you're dealing
with these live situations. I can't help but think as
he is a young dad, and for someone of his age,
(32:38):
he has had as profoundly positive of an impact as
someone could have, in my opinion, in the country.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He was enormously powerful in the best ways with young Americans.
And look, the demons didn't like it, the hard left,
the the the tear you know, the domestic terrorists of
Antifah and all these day he was a target as
(33:10):
we obviously now are seeing the results of it. He
would travel with security, he would have pretty substantial security
with him. But if somebody is willing to spend the
rest of their life in prison and you go to
a live public event, it's very hard to have. Look
at the President of the United States got shot last summer,
as we all recall, so it's very hard to have
(33:31):
perfect security. But in a situation like this, Clay with
Charlie who again you and I know I've spoke at
one of his events. I I mean, Charlie is you
know he sat in my living room when I lived
in DC and we were sketching out ways for the
MAGA movement to win back the youth. And I was
(33:52):
like this, this kid is going to do. You know,
this is now seven or eight years ago. I was like,
this kid's gonna do amazing stuff. And I just I
just can't be I mean, look, we are still. I'm
just sitting here holding on. I'm sorry. I've never had
to react to I've had to react to terrorist incidents before,
live in real time. I've never reacted to a friend,
(34:13):
uh and somebody who is in very much our business
and in our world being shot. You know, I look
Trump that when when Trump was hit, Clay, I remember,
I remember I called you, I called my family and
I called you right away. But we knew within a
few minutes he was okay. He put that fist up
in the air, so that you know, the trauma there
(34:33):
was was, thank god, was short lived. Right, We knew
Trump was okay quickly. I don't know what Charlie's status is,
and I don't know when we're gonna know. I'm I'm
hoping right now that we'll see a report come up
any second that he's in the hospital and he's stable.
That's that's just I mean, I am praying for that.
I'm praying for that because Charlie's a dad, and he's
a husband, and he's a and he's a honestly just
(34:56):
a just a great American and it's doing incredible things.
Also think this will take the country into a really
horrible place if if the worst happens here. So I
am I'm actually I'm worried for all of us in
a way. And uh, I'm just sitting here praying for
Charlie and his family. I mean, do we have guys,
(35:18):
do we have any updates on anything? Let me just
continue buck with this guy is tell me he's in
the hospital and he's okay.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Fox News said he's been taken to a hospital on
their official Fox News account. I don't think we're gonna
have any certainty before we leave today, which is why
I would say for those of you out there, pray.
There are lots of videos on social media. You and
(35:51):
I are both dads. He has young kids. This is
a super young guy. Little kids, little kids, really little kids.
He's just a fantastic guy who has put his heart
and soul into the country. And the reason on a
college campus, the reason he's on a college campus is
to try to talk to young people and make them
aware of what an exceptional, incredible place America is and
(36:14):
how fortunate we are all to be here and to
have a forum for free speech where you can show
up and agree or disagree with him and have public debates.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
And I just I look. Pray, pray for Charlie right now.
We don't know anything other than he's been hit and
he may be able to pull through and be okay.
Pray to God right now, all of you. We'll talk
to you tomorrow. We'll have updates for you, but that's
where we are for today. We're all just thinking about
Charlie Kirk. I'm gonna just be Clay. We're gonna be
(36:46):
burning off the phone, trying to find out as soon
as we can.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Prayers, Love all you guys, Hug the people you love,
Kiss him to see tomorrow.
All right, third hour of Clay and Buck gets going
right now, everybody, thank you for being here with us.
And something that got well, honestly, just moved down the
news priority list because of some of the huge things
that have been going on this week. But I want
to spend some time to talking about it because it
is one of those broad conversations about politics and America
(00:23):
and what's going on today that answers a lot of
questions right now and also gives us a sense as
to what the future is going to look like, what
is going on when it comes to men and women
and their views of life, specifically for Gen Z adults. Now,
(00:44):
all of our boomers boomers listening, we love you. This matters,
as you know, because these are your kids or grandkids
in many cases, and they shall inherit this republic of ours.
And there's some really stark differences. This is from NBC
News polling data about people eighteen to twenty nine years old.
(01:10):
So that's Gen Z. I am a gray beard millennial. Clay,
what are you? Silent generation? You're some other You're not
a millennial.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I am the youngest Gen x'jo. I am the youngest
generation member of the generation that has saved America by
supporting Dona more than any other generation.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
My older brother who is also of your generation, you
guys are the same age. Mason very quick to point
out that Gen X probably has the best generation rep
right now. It's certainly in the media world like everyone's
like Gen X just getting it done, all cool and
you know, collected, uh, millennials, we got some rough stuff
because we complained a lot about the housing and mortgage
(01:52):
meltdown stuff in two thousand and eight and what that
did to our careers. But let's let's look at the
gen Z situation right now, because Clay, perhaps this is
something you've addressed in your upcoming book. Pauls ye men
men are trending in a very clear direction in that generation.
So young men, young adult men right now. This is
(02:15):
from NBC News data. Young men who voted for Trump.
So gen Z eighteen to twenty nine, who voted for Trump.
What is important to a personal definition of success? Thirty
four percent of them said having children, thirty three percent,
financial independence, thirty percent, fulfilling job career, twenty nine percent,
(02:38):
being married. And then they go into some other things,
doing what you want, being grounded spiritually, twenty four percent.
Got to get those are rookie numbers on spiritual grant,
but you know, we got to get that up a
little bit, making community proud, all this stuff, right, women
who voted for Harris, this is what was really stark.
So remember young men who vote for Trump, young women
(03:00):
who vote for Harris. That's what we're looking at here.
Fifty one percent said fulfilling job or career. That's the
number one thing by far, fulfilling job, having money to
do what you want, forty six percent emotional stability, which
a lot of these women gotta work on, I gotta
tell you. Thirty nine percent financial independence, thirty two percent
(03:22):
have it using your talents, thirty seven percent owning a home,
twenty percent having children. Clay and being married were tied
for them at the very bottom of the list at
six percent. This is a vision of two paths for
(03:43):
the genders in America as defined by political affiliation today
or separated by political affiliation today. All these women who
are voting for Harris, who are in their twenties don't
care at all about family formation, which is stunning. Honestly,
you see that data, It is stunning.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I think it's a sign and this is probably gonna
get clipped, so prepare yourselves for the headlines.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I love it when he does this. Where's media matters
go for it?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, I think it's a sign that women are have
been sold to mass delusion, a lot of young women.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And let me explain why. The only reason to.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Want, in my opinion, a fulfilling job and a career
is so you can afford.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To have a family.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I look, there are relatively few people whose careers are
so important that they change the world. Okay, if you
told me right now, Hey, Elon Musk, Yeah, he might
not be a great dad. I think he's an incredible
and he might be a great dad. I'm not saying
it's a negative, but I'm saying like his career is
(04:52):
so important potentially to the future of the civilization that
I can say, Okay, that seems like a real good
use of his time. You would want, I think people
who are supreme geniuses. If you could, you have two kids,
or you could solve cancer, I would submit to you.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Ideally you could do both, but if you had.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
To choose, curing cancer would be a better societal benefit
than you having two kids. Most people have jobs, though
not to cure cancer or to solve all the issues
that Evon Musk is trying to solve, but just to
be able to have the resources to have children.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's a means to an end to pay bills. That's
why you get paid for it. If it were fun,
they wouldn't have to pay you for it. Now, some jobs,
there's like Clay and I are lucky. We both love
our jobs and we get paid for it. But it
took a long time to get to a place where
that was the case. And this is the reality for
a lot of women play right now. I saw this
(05:53):
from my graduating class at Amherst, Okay, at Emher's College.
There are all these women who at that time, we're
going into management consulting like McKenzie bain remember where Mitt
Romney was, or they went into investment banking. That is
a situation where you are going to work eighty hours
(06:16):
a week for years and years and years to make money.
You are not curing cancer, you are not. All of
the women that I knew who went into that dropped out.
All of them dropped out because that is not the
way that they want to spend their lives. But society
had set them up for this society had convinced them
(06:37):
that this is what they should do.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I also think, and again, these are eighteen to twenty
nine year olds women who voted for Harris, men who
voted for Trump. I also think it is likely to
be the number one complaint of the Harris voting women
that they can't find good men worth dating and having
families with. But all of the young men who are
(07:01):
Trump voters actually want to get married and have kids,
and the women don't want to. And here's the other
thing about this that I think is indicative of having
been sold.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
A false bill of goods.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And by the way, eight hundred and two two two
eight a two, maybe you are in this eighteen to
twenty nine year old female group and you want to react,
maybe you are in the male group. But what is
interesting to me about this as well, Buck, is the
women should be the ones focused on having children because
and I don't want to throw anybody into a full
(07:33):
panic here, but a twenty nine year old woman who
hasn't gotten married and hasn't had kids has a biological
clock to worry about that a twenty nine year old
man does not have in the same way to worry about. So,
if anything, these should be flipped buck because women, because
of biology, have to think about having children at younger
(07:57):
ages than men do.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
If you're over thirty five, it's a geriatric it's officially
medically a geriatric pregnancy. That's what they call it, a
geriatric pregnancy. And the risks factors go up all across.
They should tell people this in schools. By the way,
I didn't learn this stuff until I was an adult,
to be honest with you, I didn't know all the things,
all the risk factors that increase.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm not saying that that people can make their own
life choices. Some people just want to have a career, some
people don't have a family. It's not about denying anybody
a choice. It's about giving them the facts and the
reality of what is likely and what is true in
general or true in the aggregate about these things. And
for most women, I mean, I'll put it this way, Clay,
most guys that I know, if they weren't trying to
(08:40):
date and orget, you know, date and get married, would
work a lot less hard Yea. They'd spend a lot
more time in leisure and whatever. But they want to
build something they'll want to be providers. There's something instinctive
and instinctual for men about this. For women, they are
generally not always generally set up differently for what will
(09:02):
be a successful and happy life path, but the influences. Now,
you grew up in a more traditional Americana place than
I did, so I can speak from the New York
City perspective, which is the same in Los Angeles, and
very similar in Chicago, and very similar in d C.
And you know these urban centers where the women of
(09:22):
my generation were all told you need to be you
need to compete with men in the workplace, you need
to spend the same kind of hours. You need to
put your career first and figure out family later. And
I have seen it now that I'm in my forties.
This has resulted in life path disappointment and in some
cases devastation for a lot of very talented and you know,
(09:43):
wonderful young women who now can have families or never
had a family, and they want to. I'm not talking
to the people that don't want to. They want to,
but they got their timelines mixed up. I see this
women who vote for Harris Thing and none of them
care about being married or having children, they're going to
change their So for what you can be the first
female VP at the marketing firm at age thirty five
(10:04):
or at age forty, You think that that's guys generally
want to do that so they can have a wife
and kids that they can provide for. Yes, what you
are aspiring to to be a suit in middle management
is what people usually do so they can have kids.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And when I look at this, I just think that
young women have been sold a bill of goods on
what the goal of life is. Because if your goal
is just to a mass job title and then die
by yourself, okay, that seems kind of lonely. It seems
not very fulfilling. And I just think that a lot
(10:51):
of young women and I think, frankly, Buck, this is
what you're seeing these women they get older, they deeply
inside this is me psychoanalyzing, They deeply inside reject some
of the choices that they made to give up a
family to be to your point of VP and a
(11:11):
bland accounting firm or something. No offense to everybody out
there working in accounting, but I don't think people are
doing cartwheels into the accounting office every day because they
feel like they're changing the world in such a positive way,
and they make politics their life's focus because they have
to pour their energy and their soul and their them
(11:33):
and vigor and vitality into something and it's not motherhood
and instead it's Donald Trump as Hitler. I thought about
this gen Z thing when I saw Trump goes to
a steakhouse and there's just a bunch of chicks that
show up and scream a chant that he's Hitler to him,
And you can watch Trump walk over and kind of
look at him like, you chicks are crazy, Like you
(11:55):
can kind of see it, as I guarantee you, in
his head, he's like, what one of these girls doing,
Like how is your life's ambition to show up when
somebody's eating at a steakhouse and call him hitler?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think you've given up the plot on life. And
I think you're a lot of a lot of projection.
The psychologists would call it of their frustration that they
externalize in order to avoid dealing with the realities of
the choices that they have made. So Trump is Hitler.
Gives them something to feel bigger than themselves and like
(12:29):
they they're a part of something because a lot of
them the choices that they have made. Don't let them
feel that way day in and day out, you know.
I mean I tell my friends this, and my family
is play at the most basic level, not getting into
the spiritual and you know, being a Catholic who's trying
to now become actually more of a of a real
Catholic and going back to the church, but just a
(12:49):
on a basic day to day level. I just think
that take care of your people is my basic life philosophy. Obviously,
your family first and then the people around you, and
that can keep you really busy if you're actually doing that.
If you're taking care of your people, you really don't
have time like those sad people we saw in DC
at the inauguration to be out in the freezing cold
(13:10):
for six hours shouting about how Trump is hitler with
nobody listening. You know. Yeah, But if you don't have
that and you're not taking care of you, And I
don't just mean having kids, and some people can't have kids,
and we're sensitive to that, of course, but the people
around you making decisions to be meaningful in their lives
and to have that consideration and that discipline in your
(13:30):
day to day. That's hard showing up with your purple
hair and you're screaming and your you know, Trump is
is is the Antichrist, although they probably wouldn't put it
that way. He's hitler. That's easy, that's just that's just narcissism.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Here's a question for you as we go to break
and I'd be curious to hear from people again. This
is an NBC News poll eighteen to twenty nine year
old voters what they care about male and female? How
many women are lying? Because when I saw these numbers,
I'm like, how many women feel bad to say, hey,
what matters to me is getting married and having kids
(14:07):
because they feel like they're turning their back on feminism
if they say that, and so they're just lying because
they think other people want to hear. It's crazy to
me that fifty one percent of people would say my
career is my top priority.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, I don't know. Man. I had when before I
met my wife and the love of my life, I
had I had women bail on dates, but I'd asked
them out on because they found out that I was
a trumper. So they said, look, you may be incredibly
charming and have amazing hair, but you voted for Trump,
and I have to back out of this. Now. They
didn't say that first part, but that's what they were thinking.
So I'm just saying some of these ladies are crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think some of them are crazy. I think women
are more susceptible to worrying about what others think in
general than men are, and so I wonder whether they're
being honest in their responses.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Let's get some gen Z to away in on this one.
Gen Z Clay and buck Land out there or parents
of how about that. We'll take your thoughts on this.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show Buck. I
do write a ton about this because I've been thinking
about it a lot, and ultimately, the disconnect between men
(16:46):
and women is leading to no babies.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The overall population in Western civilization is collapsing. Women and
men are not having babies. You gotta have two point
one male or female in union ideally in order to
replace yourself. Right, that's not happening. And when we are
not having babies, I think a lot of people sit
back and say, Okay, what is causing this? And tons
(17:11):
of you are weighing in. I write about it a
lot in balls my very under trying to think under
the radar title about gender roles and how they impacted
the election and how Trump went on and won. You
can find it, you can pre order it, but we're
going to take a bunch of your reactions because we
are flooded with people out there who are saying yes.
(17:34):
And I know every generation thinks, hey, things are different.
For us, things are more challenging. The data actually reflects
that people are not getting together and they're not having
babies on a level that we've never seen in the
history of America before. So I think this is a
thing and we will talk about it when we come back.
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We can give it to him.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
All right, welcome back into Clay on Buck. Every line
lit and we're gonna just Racken Stack calls here because
this is a passionate topic about life choices of young
Americans right now. What's important to them? If you're a
guy you voted for Trump, Yeah, you want a career,
but family, super important, kids, super important. Women who voted
for Kamala Harris according to these numbers, and Clay said,
(19:15):
maybe they're just saying what they should, which is there's
probably some of that, but the numbers are I mean,
they care more about where they're getting their nails done
than whether they're ever going to be married or have kids.
Based on this data, it is, it is outrageous stuff.
They care a lot about their about their career. All right,
we have Stacy first up here. You are a mother
of twelve in Minnesota. Did I get that right? You
(19:36):
are a mom of a dozen?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Wow, that is incredible. So what age did you have
your first baby.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
I would have been twenty four when I had my
first son.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And so you have continued and had baby that that's incredible. Okay,
So how many of those are daughters?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
We have seven girls and five boys.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Okay, so I'm fascinated. What are you telling all of
these kids and what do you see from them as
it pertains to gender identity, gender roles, all these different things.
Uh that that you are you're an expert. If you
got seven of one and five of the other.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well, yeah, so you know, we just point them to
the Lord for first and foremost. He's the one who
He's the one who gave him to us, and we're
just they're just on loans, and so we need to
raise them to go into the world and to be
able to know the truth, which is only found in
His word, and also to you know, to be able
(20:36):
to decipher, to be able to think critically, because obviously
nowadays that's kind of become a lost art.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Can I ask you, I'm curious about this. I want
to ask about the pressure if your your girls feel
pressure to delay family formation in order to do more
career stuff. Maybe you can tackle that one first, But
I also just have to throw in there. Do you
guys travel in like a like a motorcade? Like how
do you do that? You do you have a few suburbans,
you know, like that when the president moves. I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, that's a good question. We have an express fan.
So yeah, it's it's like a mini buss basically, is
kind of you know what you would can call it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I would say, that's fun, that's funny. You have all
your kids on the bus together, like, that's that's a
good time, right.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
And and obviously we have two that just got married
this past summer, so you know, they're starting to leave
the nest and and and they're definitely looking forward to
having their own children.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So yeah, but do you do you do your girls
feel like there's a lot of pressure on them socially
to delay you know, do you ever pick that up
from them that they feel like, oh, you know, at
first I have to make VP at the at the
accounting firm before I could even think about getting married.
Or not so much, no, not so much.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No, they they embrace the role as as a woman,
you know, and that doesn't and that doesn't have to
be competing with men. And I think that's where our
culture has gone wrong. We feel like we have to
compete with men, which we all have our different hells
and abilities and gifts. And why why don't we embrace,
you know, being a woman, because I mean, I don't
(22:06):
sure don't want to be a man like I wouldn't
want his responsibilities in certain areas. And he can't have children, right,
we know biologically that a man can't have a child.
So like there's a reason God gave us different roles.
And I mean, I'm not saying there's different situations for
different people, but I think the more we fight against
the way we are created, that's why we're in the trouble.
(22:28):
We're in this world.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Thank you, Thank you so much, family as well, and
that's that's incredible. And uh and Elon would be would
be proud of you for helping to repopulate the world.
You're doing more than your part, So God bless and
thank you so much for calling in. Uh let's twelve kids.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, that's an incredible accomplishment. Darcy in Houston, she said
she's got a couple of gen Z girls. Darcy, what
do you see.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I have two gen z girls. I have a senior
in high school and a senior in college. And we
have raised both of our girls to understand that you
don't have life balance in the day to day. You
have life balance in the cycle of life. So you know,
I was advanced maternal age buck on both of our girls,
(23:18):
and so I like I had a bit of a career.
Then I stepped away. I took time to be with
our kids. I homeschool them. The oldest graduated from homeschool.
She's now Texas A and M University College of Civil Engineering.
And now I haven't gone back to work full time,
but I work on our investments in our real estate
portfolio and we have three passive investments. We have numerous
(23:43):
single family homes and we're looking at an appartment complex.
So you have to understand that the balance of life
is day to day. I mean, I've been a university
professor overseas, We've lived in four different countries. It's life
has been an adventure, and both of our girls look
forward to achieving a balance that fits who they are
(24:05):
and who that eventual partner husband in their life is.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Do you think that they're more challenged in their generation
than you were in yours. With balancing that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Oh absolutely. And the reason that I say that is
because I am Clay. I'm older than you. You're a
young buck in my world. I was born in sixty
nine and dating, I think the huge challenge right now
is dating. My oldest had a boyfriend, but in my
(24:38):
youngest everything is groups. And I'm sure you see that
with your boys. Everything is a group date. Very seldom
do you have that one on one and even if
it's a one on one boyfriend girlfriend, there's still a group.
Everything is group, and so that opportunity to get to
know someone individually is lost in that generation, and that's
(25:02):
something that's really hard for parents to overcome.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Thank you for the call, Buck. I don't know if
I've told you this. One of my kids, I won't
say which one was talking to a girl and I said, well,
you should just go get pizza with her, and I
think this is emblematic of their generation in general. He
was like just the two of us and I was
like yeah. It was like they like to call me
(25:30):
an unk. It was like I had given the most
unk advice of all time.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Was like, well, you know, instead.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Of just talking on the phone and not actually seeing
each other in person.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You should just go have pizza together. And I just
remember just the two of us.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
To her point, it is all group gatherings and or
not gathering at all because they're on their cell phones.
And here's the other thing. And I know this has
become huge all over the country. Everyone I knew when
you turn sixteen years old, this may be a little
(26:07):
bit different for you in New York City because you
guys got out and about without cars. Everybody I knew.
It wasn't just when you turned sixteen. It was your
oldest best friend who could suddenly take you in a
car and you could go to the movies, or you
could go to the mall, or you could go to
a fast food or restaurant, or you could go to
a sporting event together to go watch. It was a
(26:30):
level of liberation that we all desperately craved and counted
down the days until it could happen. We all knew
when somebody was going to take their driver's test. We
all knew when somebody was getting their permit. Nobody cares.
Kids today are like, eh, I could get a license
or I could not. Now, partly I think it's a
(26:52):
reality of uber and the fact that we're in different
communications and so all of that factors in, I think
in a significant way. But that in and of itself,
I think is a sign of how the culture has
changed in a significant way. And let's say a commercial
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Okay, we got some awful news during the break and
we're following it in real time. And obviously the show
is ending right now, so it's unlikely that we are
going to know officially what has happened. But Charlie Kirk,
who is a friend of ours, he's been on the show,
(28:52):
runs Turning Point USA. He was doing a rally at
Utah Valley and I'm trying to get all these facts right.
Obviously it's happening right now. Utah Valley University near Provo.
Video shows that there were shots fired there and he
you know, you probably have seen the incredible work that
(29:16):
Charlie has done. He goes to all these different college
campuses and does these question and answer sessions which have
motivated so many young people, and he was doing one
at Utah Valley just in the last couple of minutes,
there's videos shots being fired.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We're trying to follow it in real time, so we
are updating all of you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We don't have any confirmation beyond the video that there
were shots and it looks like he was hit. We
don't know how bad this is. Absolutely, I honestly, I
feel like I'm gonna throw up. It's's I'm praying for
Charlie right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Look, the videos are up. There's a huge crowd on
Utah Valley's campus and we're trying to follow this in
in real time. He is sitting as he has done
on these megaviral TikTok events for a long time. I mean,
there's probably a thousand people or more at this event
(30:21):
on the center of campus, and you can hear what
sounds like gunshots going off and then again their videos
being posted now here.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Look, I think if the if you can pray, this
would be a good time. Yeah, he's Charlie is hit
in the video, he's hit. Look, Trump got hit of
the neck and Trump was okay. I don't know. I
don't know what we don't none of us know whether
Charlie's We don't know. I can't say he is a
(30:53):
you know, he built a massive organization with Turning Point.
He helped Trump win this last election. He's very outspoken.
I know Charlie, uh personally, I mean he's he's got
a wife and two kids. That's what I was gonna say, Young,
he's an awesome guy. Uh again, I mean you can
(31:19):
all understand. I mean this is uh. I just look,
I pray, I pray for the country, and now this
is this is gonna take us into a very dark place.
If if if this, I mean, I just I'm hoping
we're gonna get We're gonna get reporting here any minute.
That Charlie is it's gonna be okay. He's you know,
in the you know, he's probably you know, taking the hospital.
(31:41):
I'm hoping we're get reporting that Charlie's okay. That's all.
I mean, I don't know what to say beyond that.
I mean, he got shot and then the neck. You know,
we know Trump got Trump got hit in the ear.
I said the neck before Trump got hit in the ear.
Charlie got hit in the neck. If it was a
superficial wound, there's a good chance. But there's obviously carotid artery,
and you know, this is a I don't know what
(32:04):
caliber he was. I can't believe we're sitting here and
this is happening as we're on the show right now,
and Clay, it's yeah, Fox's reporting, CNN is reporting, We've
seen the videos.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Look, this is I honestly, it's tough when you're dealing
with these live situations. I can't help but think as
he is a young dad, and for someone of his age,
(32:38):
he has had as profoundly positive of an impact as
someone could have, in my opinion, in the country.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
He was enormously powerful in the best ways with young Americans.
And look, the demons didn't like it, the hard left,
the the the tear you know, the domestic terrorists of
Antifah and all these day he was a target as
(33:10):
we obviously now are seeing the results of it. He
would travel with security, he would have pretty substantial security
with him. But if somebody is willing to spend the
rest of their life in prison and you go to
a live public event, it's very hard to have. Look
at the President of the United States got shot last summer,
as we all recall, so it's very hard to have
(33:31):
perfect security. But in a situation like this, Clay with
Charlie who again you and I know I've spoke at
one of his events. I I mean, Charlie is you
know he sat in my living room when I lived
in DC and we were sketching out ways for the
MAGA movement to win back the youth. And I was
(33:52):
like this, this kid is going to do. You know,
this is now seven or eight years ago. I was like,
this kid's gonna do amazing stuff. And I just I
just can't be I mean, look, we are still. I'm
just sitting here holding on. I'm sorry. I've never had
to react to I've had to react to terrorist incidents before,
live in real time. I've never reacted to a friend,
(34:13):
uh and somebody who is in very much our business
and in our world being shot. You know, I look
Trump that when when Trump was hit, Clay, I remember,
I remember I called you, I called my family and
I called you right away. But we knew within a
few minutes he was okay. He put that fist up
in the air, so that you know, the trauma there
(34:33):
was was, thank god, was short lived. Right, We knew
Trump was okay quickly. I don't know what Charlie's status is,
and I don't know when we're gonna know. I'm I'm
hoping right now that we'll see a report come up
any second that he's in the hospital and he's stable.
That's that's just I mean, I am praying for that.
I'm praying for that because Charlie's a dad, and he's
a husband, and he's a and he's a honestly just
(34:56):
a just a great American and it's doing incredible things.
Also think this will take the country into a really
horrible place if if the worst happens here. So I
am I'm actually I'm worried for all of us in
a way. And uh, I'm just sitting here praying for
Charlie and his family. I mean, do we have guys,
(35:18):
do we have any updates on anything? Let me just
continue buck with this guy is tell me he's in
the hospital and he's okay.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Fox News said he's been taken to a hospital on
their official Fox News account. I don't think we're gonna
have any certainty before we leave today, which is why
I would say for those of you out there, pray.
There are lots of videos on social media. You and
(35:51):
I are both dads. He has young kids. This is
a super young guy. Little kids, little kids, really little kids.
He's just a fantastic guy who has put his heart
and soul into the country. And the reason on a
college campus, the reason he's on a college campus is
to try to talk to young people and make them
aware of what an exceptional, incredible place America is and
(36:14):
how fortunate we are all to be here and to
have a forum for free speech where you can show
up and agree or disagree with him and have public debates.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
And I just I look. Pray, pray for Charlie right now.
We don't know anything other than he's been hit and
he may be able to pull through and be okay.
Pray to God right now, all of you. We'll talk
to you tomorrow. We'll have updates for you, but that's
where we are for today. We're all just thinking about
Charlie Kirk. I'm gonna just be Clay. We're gonna be
(36:46):
burning off the phone, trying to find out as soon
as we can.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Prayers, Love all you guys, Hug the people you love,
Kiss him to see tomorrow.
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