May 31, 2023 • 36 mins
Gallup: Just 18% satisfied with state of the nation. Biden crime family corruption. Joy Reid says Florida is a totalitarian state. ESPN raising trans/gay flag on campus is direct assault on employees like Sam Ponder who have spoken out against men competing in women's sports. OutKick's Ian Miller joins Clay and Buck to discuss his new book: "Illusion of Control: COVID-19 and the Collapse of Expertise." Callers on Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks
off right now. Thanks for rolling with us, everybody all
across the country. We've got a lot we've been talking
about today. Already started off the show talking about how
only eighteen percent of Americans, according to Gallup, are satisfied
with the state of the nation. So people are very
(00:23):
aware that the Biden presidency is a disaster. That's here
except for about twenty percent who are like Joe Biden's
just great, He's amazing. Which is that? Anna?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Even they twenty percent of people, Buck believe that, I
think they're just so committed to the left wing, but
they're not even committed to Biden. I know't thinks he's
the one who really likes Biden. No, no one thinks
he's doing a great job. They all just pretend because
he is a vessel for the radical left wing policy right,
(01:01):
and that's what you get with Biden.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, people that have said, oh, but Biden is
going to be a moderated absolutely is not a moderate
and he because he's not really any The thing of
a Biden is he stands for nothing. He's actually built
a whole career on Bidenism. He's also, in recent years,
as we've seen, built a career on taking money or
(01:23):
having his family members take money from foreign interests for
business ventures. I thought this is fascinating, you know, I
spoke Clay on our Clay and Buck podcast recently to
Peter Schweitzer, and I thought this was such an important
point about the Biden crime family. You know that the
money that Hunter Biden got from the Chinese interest for CFC,
(01:46):
I think it was CFC holdings for future to be
determined business activities. Yeah. I mean imagine if you were
on like, hey, guys, can you give me like eight
million dollars? I'm going to figure out something really cool
to do with it later. That is called a bribe.
That is called a bribe everybody. But you know it's
(02:06):
Hunter Biden, so it's not technically Joe. So as long
as they can't prove the money was getting siphoned to Joe,
can they prove it in some way, it's all fine.
But Biden is in some ways really the perfect prototypical
democrat of his era, which is whatever works, whatever the
leftist mob wants, whatever's going to help his career in
(02:28):
the moment. He is a pure political opportunist and now
one with dementia as well, and so at some level
he's perfect form many of these Democrats, because you know,
he's like the idiot king who the ministers are getting
whatever they want behind the scenes and they don't have
to take any of the heat.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think Buck when he got passed over in twenty
sixteen for Hillary and Barack Obama himself said you aren't
able to be president, I think everybody forgets that. Barack
Obama set down his vice president and basically said, you
aren't able to be president.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm supporting Hillary.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Which is you want to talk about loyalty as close
to a slap in the face as you can get
to tell your sitting vice president you aren't able to
do this job. I'm picking someone else to support instead. Right,
And remember, Obama never endorsed Biden in the twenty twenty
(03:30):
primaries either until he was already the nominee. It's not
like when Biden got into the race that Obama said, Okay,
you know what, in sixteen, I was wrong. Let me
make it clear. I'm all in on Joe Biden. He's
my guy. Everybody who supports me, go support him. No,
he stayed out of the primary. And my point on
(03:51):
this is, I think Biden as soon as he got
passed over looked in the mirror and said, I'm old,
Hillary's going to win in sixteen, then she's going to
run in twenty again. And then I'll be eighty four
years old or whatever it is. It's time to make money.
And I think he flipped the switch from I want
(04:13):
to maintain my political viability to I want to get
my family rich.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Can go back and look, and I bet the dollars
started flowing in aggressively about twenty fourteen and fifteen, even
while he was still vice president, when he realized that
he wasn't going to make the money, that he wasn't
going to be the president, and so let's start making
this money now. And that's when the Hunter Biden crime
family really kicked into high gear.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Democrats have really perfected the art of turning politics into
a cash cap. That's what's happened. It really started with
the Clintons, who will tell you, and they told everyone, oh,
we had no money, you know, we were leaving the
White House. And then they raised do you ever hear
about the Clinton Foundation anymore? Clay, No, you don't. Whatever
(05:03):
Hillary wasn't viable? He vanished. Yep, whatever happened the Clinton
Global Initiative tackling climate change and women's inequality globally. Sure
it was a bunch of foreign governments buying access and
influence with the Clinton crime family. What was the Clinton
Global What was the Clinton Foundation really about? It was
(05:25):
a pass through. Yeah, they'll tell you they give money
to charity, but they were taking a cut to pay
for I think it was eighty million dollars of private
jet travel for you guessed it. The Clinton family to
pay for their lifestyles, to send them around the world,
to give an excuse as well to pay Bill Clinton
up to eight hundred thousand dollars for a single speech.
(05:46):
Clon and I both give speech to somehoumes for money,
by the way, reach out to our people. And no
one gets paid eight hundred grand for a speech. That's
not a thing, that's a bribe. But the Clinton's did it,
The Bidens did it. You look at Nancy Pelosi, you
look at Dianne Feinstein and see their stock activities and
their stock trades, and you wonder hmm. Somehow Natzi Pelosi
(06:10):
is like better at trading than the hedge funds. How
is that possible, Nancy? How is Nancy Pelosi a more
astute stock market analyst? I don't think Nancy Pelosi could
name three of the first five presidents of the United States,
but man, is she good at trading the stock market.
So we all see this, right, the corruption, the craziness,
(06:34):
and I think Democrats at some level, no, there's a
little bit of panic. They think Joe is still their
best option. Is a little bit of panic. Did you
see this now? I mean, look, we talk about the
view sometimes here and in some ways, yes, is the
view bad for this country? Sure? Is the view making
people who watch it dumber? Absolutely? But is it a
rich source of content for Clay and Buck? Absolutely? The
(06:56):
same though can be said for MSNBC and even more
specifically Joy Reid show on MSNBC. Did you see this now?
They're going with after what was it a week or
two ago we were told that Florida was an unsafe
state for LGBT people, for black people. Joy Reid is
(07:17):
saying that DeSantis wants to make us like North Korea Cuba,
which I thought the left Love, Cuba and China Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
There is a model for what this little dictator in
the making wants to do. Just look at China, Cuba,
North Korea, Afghanistan or Iran, where the government censors the
media or force feeds a strict conservative religious ideology to
children in schools, deploys morality police to make sure you're
wearing what they want, learning what they want, doing what
(07:46):
they want. That model also happens to have a name,
and it's called totalitarianism, the political concept that the citizen
should totally be subject to an absolute state authority.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Now, I don't I don't know how to said is
the Democrats are full blown authoritarians and totalitarians. And we
saw it during COVID and it couldn't be any more clear.
And they're absolute lunatics. I'm never going to forget it.
We're gonna have Ian Miller joining us to talk about
his latest book. Who was the guy who was phenomenally
useful during COVID for sharing the graphs on masks? Spoiler alert.
(08:20):
They don't work at all. They don't do a thing.
It's fun to be able to say that. Now know
that you know, oh, we're not going to get like
censored on the interwebs. But joy read here's saying that
Florida is a totalitarian state. This is one thing we
have to be on guard for, Clay. When it comes
to Democrats, they don't just lie. They go to it's
(08:43):
like anti truth. They go to the absolute polar opposite
of the truth. Florida has built a brand as the
place where Donald Trump lives, the place where Ronda Santis lives,
a place where so many people place where I live,
so many people in the media live now as the
pro free state because of COVID, and now over at MSNBC,
(09:03):
they want to tell you that Florida is a totalitarianism
because they don't want third graders being handed books in
school that I don't even I'm not even comfortable telling
people on the radio, really what's in these books?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's It's also an easy argument to make on the
contrary buck how many people try to get into Cuba,
how many people try to get into North Korea? Right,
Florida has added millions of people in the four years
that Ron DeSantis has been governor. Thankfully, we still have
(09:39):
the free flow of people in this country.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You can move from one state to another. Although it's
worth noting that many of the furthest left wing science
advocates during COVID wanted to restrict your ability to actually
leave the state.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That you're in.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They forget about that now, But the Andy Slavic company
out there that was advising the Biden administration actually wanted
to restrict your ability to leave your.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
State over COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But an easy counter to joy read I mean, clearly
this is balder dash, buck, but it would just be hey,
wait a bit word, thank you. How many people out
there are trying to go to totalitarian countries? Am I
missing all of the people trying to get into Cuba?
Am I missing all of the people moving to North Korea?
(10:28):
Because everybody's moving to Florida? Yeah, which is the ultimate.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You may not know this, but as Joyrie will tell you,
real estate prices in Pyongyang or skyrocketing because everyone wants
a condo in Pyongyang, just like they do in Miami.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You know what, I left your Miami apartment. We were
doing the show by like hung Out. I had a
Cuban driver recently and she drove me to the airport
and she she was awesome, and she said, I hope
she's listening right now. She said, you know, there's a
lot of complaining in America. And I'm paraphrasing, but she said,
(11:03):
when I was in Cuba, it got really hot at night.
Nobody had air conditioning. She's like, every time I walk
around in Miami and I see anybody complaining about anything,
I'm like, go back to your air conditioned home and
live in your luxury. You don't even realize until you
(11:24):
have experienced what socialism is and what it does to
the people. You don't even realize in this country how
fortunate you are. And in South Florida, Buck, I bet
you're constantly surrounded by Venezuelans and Cubans and people who
have pled Latin American totalitarianism that are just a wash
(11:45):
in the freedoms that they get to embrace every single
day in Florida.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
They're very important. I actually just visited with a friend
of mine with Carrie over the weekend who was at
the Bay of Pigs. Oh wow. He was a fighter
at the Bay of Pigs, a dear friend of mine,
and later joined the Marine Corps, the United States Marine
Corps when we got him out because he loved this
country even though he felt like the Democrat Kennedy did
(12:09):
not give the air cover and kind of betrayed the
troops on the beach, but still loved America with all
of his heart. I think he would still sign up
to fight in the Marines tomorrow if he could. But
he's in his eighties. And when you see people that
have left in recent years, it's really, you know, a
lot of it is Venezuela. You still have Cuban immigration
to Florida from to Florida from Cuba, but from Venezuela
(12:33):
and the collapse of Venezuela. And I just wish people
would hear this more. And I think there's an important
part of the narrative in this country that sometimes doesn't
get enough attention. The policies that AOC and Bernie want
for America are the policies of the Maduro regime in Venezuela.
(12:53):
It's the end stage of those policies, but it is
ideologically aligned with a so socialist country run by social
justice principles, where all of a sudden, the elites are
the only ones doing well and everybody else can just
you know, go jump off a pier. And people should
(13:13):
be reminded that it's a country that was for the
region very wealthy for the region, culturally rich, highly educated population,
and in the span of twenty years, has been destroyed
and turned to penury, turned to just sheer poverty, malnutrition.
Why social justice got to spread a little more of
(13:36):
that money around for the poor people, got to take
a little more of the industry over by the government.
And I think the Venezuelan refugee population in America is
incredibly important as a warning of what happens when the
leftist lunatics take power.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Always worth mentioning. Do you remember where Bernie Sanders went
on his honeymoon.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Isn't that the craziest thing? Moscow when it was the
Soviet Union. What a maniac. That's why whenever someone says, oh,
he's like a cuddly old grandpa, No he's not, No
he's not, he would tell you that the price the
price of your slow starvation under Bernie's idiotic economic policies.
Because he's economically illiterate. He would say, yeah, well, you know,
(14:20):
sorry for you, but to make an omelet, you got
to break a few eggs that you don't have anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He went to the Soviet Union during his honeymoon during
the Cold War to celebrate their style of government.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Just think about that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Everybody wants to pretend it didn't happen. Think about how
much time you spend planning your honeymoon, and that numb
skull chose to go to the Soviet Union and actually
propagated lies about how great it was there. That's who
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
We mentioned this Buck in the open to the show,
and I do think this is getting crazy. Sam Ponder
is at ESPN, and she tweeted out during our show.
She is a prominent ESPN employee and she has been
one of the few ESPN employees who's outspoken and actually
(16:15):
supporting the idea of men not being able to compete
against women. And she said biology is not bigotry, which
is a great synthesis of why men pretending to be
women shouldn't be able to compete again women's athletics.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But she got called a bigot by USA today.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No one at ESPN in the corporate office Buck has
defended Sam Ponder at all.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Usually, when you get.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Attacks like that from other media outlets, your PR team
goes to work and they end up defending you. In fact,
quite the contrary. Tomorrow, Buck, ESPN is raising the trans
flag over the ESPN campus. This is more than just
the Pride flag. This is ESPN sticking their thumb in
(17:03):
all of your eyes. If you are a sports fan.
ESPN has already said Leah Thomas is a women's sports hero.
They're now raising the trans flag to fly over a
sports network, and they are now, to me making it
clear that their corporate mantra is if you're a man
(17:23):
and you want to identify as a women, as a woman,
you are a women sports champion. This is where we
are and even for me, this is a staggering spot.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Wait wait, hold, but hold on. So the corporate ESPN,
owned by Disney right doing this interesting, isn't it? Disney
on ESPN Disney Do the hosts, though publicly, all go.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Along with this, like many of them will, and a
lot of them are afraid if they don't have a
lot of security in their jobs to actually speak out
against it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I don't mean to speak out against it, I mean do
they affirm at public. But we can come back to this. Yeah,
it's a good question.
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
Cleay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth,
welcome back. We've got our friend Ian Miller with us now.
He is is a writer for out Kick and author
of a new book, Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and
the Collapse of Expertise. Ian, Welcome back to the show.
I'm assuming this is not a lot of Fauci is
(19:16):
brilliant and right analysis. Tell us what you get into
in this book.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
That's that's a good assumption. Yeah, it is kind of
going in detail on Fauci and the CEC and a
lot of other experts about how they kind of mismanaged
virtually everything about the COVID pandemic and our response to it,
and the mistakes they made, and more importantly, you know,
pointing out how little accountability there was. You know, they've
never took any responsibility for the mistakes that they've made.
(19:42):
They've never acknowledged half of them. A lot of cases,
they're still kind of maintaining that a lot of these
policies were actually effective. And so the case of the
book has kind of make this comprehensive overview of why
that's wrong, how they got it wrong, and why we
need to hold them accountable going forward.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, Ian, when you see arguments being made that Florida
handled COVID poorly, that the rate of death in Florida
was bad. This is actually the argument that Trump is
now trotting out against Ron DeSantis. You are a data guy,
you spent and you've lived in California, so you had
to deal with all the craziness of Gavin Newsom. You
(20:21):
shared incredible charts over the years. How did Florida do
relative to the rest of the country. What sort of
benefit if any, did say New York and California gain
from shutting down? What is the raw data intelligently analyzed?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Tell us.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Right, well, and it's the exact opposite conclusion of what
kind of the messaging has been. If you look at
age DIESIC code immortality, because obviously Florida has a much
more elderly population compared to New York and California, Florida
outperformed the rest of the country that had a much
lower age adjusted COVID death rate than New York. Despite
New Yorks lockdowns, had lower excess mortality than California, meaning
(21:04):
fewer people than over the expected normal died in Florida
and in California. And Florida benefited because they kept their
economy open as much as possible and kept kids in schools,
and which is going to have huge positive effects down
the road. California and New York had both been losing
huge numbers of people, and New York City lost almost
half a million people in just a couple of years.
That's a huge that's a huge difference, with a lot
(21:25):
of them going to Florida because it was open and
because they could get their kids in schools. So, you know,
trying to revision his history of trying to stay Florida
didn't perform well. Is just not backed up by data
at all.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Ian, is there any sign that you're seeing And as
part of the research for the book, did you find
meaningful maya culpas from major medical institutions, from you know,
the science as it was known for a while, not
just from the faucies, the CDCs, the NIHS, et cetera,
(21:58):
but you know, major hospital systems, the so called consensus
about so much of this stuff that was shockingly wrong.
I mean, the data, as I've been talking about on
this show. The data on for example, the frenzy to
put everybody on ventilators shows they were killing people by
putting them on ventilators. There were a lot of people
(22:19):
who would have survived their first bout with COVID who
were put on a ventilator far too quickly because there
was a panic in the medical community. Is anyone saying
we're sorry, we're we got this wrong, or does everyone
just move past it in the medical field at these
big institutions and act like it didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Definitely the latter. Pretty much everybody is just trying to
move on and kind of quietly dismiss everything and not
really take any responsibility or acknowledge that they were wrong
about this stuff. Like you said, ventilators are a huge issue,
you know, masking people forever and masking toddlers, and the
CDC director came out there not long ago, and so
you know, our guidance doesn't really change over time. We're
(22:57):
going to continue to recommend masking kids meally forever, based
off of community transmission. I think, you know, obviously public
health agencies have been in particular a lot of these
hospital systems that were very openly promoting you know, all
the vaccine passports and things like that. They just kind
of want to move past it because I think everybody
could see at this point, or people that have been
paying attention, that they were wrong. The data shows that
(23:19):
were wrong. Everybody got COVID anyway, despite what all these
experts were saying to do, And so I think they
feel like it would undermine their credibility if they admitted
that they got this wrong and that they made mistakes.
So instead they're just kind of trying to move past it.
If anything, there's been, I mean a shocking lack of
accountability as opposed to kind of taking responsibility for their actions.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Ian now that we look back where three years removed.
I think you wrote an article at OutKick about the
fact that only now is air travel getting back to
where it was when we shut down in March of
twenty twenty, which is really kind of crazy to think
about the three years country did actually handle COVID the
(24:04):
best is there now that we've got three years of
data and we can look and analyze all the different perspectives.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
We talk about states, But is it Sweden?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Like if you could point to a European or United
States or you know, the North American country, is there
a country that you think handled COVID really well and
if so, who and what should we have done in retrospect?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, it has to be Sweden. I mean they did
the most to keep their economy moving they didn't close
schools if at all, or for very limited age groups
were very limited amount of time. You know, there were
no mask manmates generally for the whole country basically. And
what's so frustrating is that they essentially followed all of
these pre COVID pandemic planning documents that all these public
(24:49):
health agencies spent years developing. They followed it. Everybody else
panicked and threw it out, and you know, I write
a chapter about it in the book. But you can
compare Sweden to all these other countries, to European countries,
and in every comparison they come out looking really well
where you know, they have lower excess mortality rates or
they overperformed compared to other countries that have some more populations.
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And they did it all without disrupting their population as
much as we did in the United States and most
states especially or places like Australia and New Zealand that
went the entire opposite direction. And if you look, Australia
has now had huge excess mortality rates where over the
last year and a half. So I think there's a
there's a clear winner here in Sweden. And it's not
that they did anything particularly special. It's just that they
(25:30):
actually followed the guidance that everybody had set out before COVID.
For some reason, our experts just completely panicked and throw
it out, and they stayed strong.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The book is Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and the
Collapse of Expertise. Ian Miller, thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
For being with us, well, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 5 (28:00):
So, guys, this is like a little double meaning thing.
It's Trump and the whole trans flag thing at ESPN,
it's the pride before the fall. With Trump, it's the
pride before the fall because he's just running people away
from him.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I know people in.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Florida, all the Trump supporters, I know, they're just sick
and tired. They want to hear policy. They're tired of
this tit for tat. What happened to Kaylee mcanelly That
stupid commercially runs on Fox News every night. Looks like
you know, Nanny Nanny booboo.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
A third grader.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
And then you got all the woke you know, companies
that are going under because they're flying the pride flag.
So there is the pride before their fall. And quite frankly,
you know, the United States is looking like it's going
the way of the Romans. We're just allowing this stuff
to take over and we're just playing games and we're
no longer taking our country and our lives seriously.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Buck, if we got into a real war, the pronouns
that we would use in battle, I think we'd go
out the window in a hurry, And I think we'd
want the baddest of the baddest asses to be fighting
for us. And a part of me feels like we're
just getting lost in all of this absurdity on a
day to day basis. But the other part of me says,
(29:12):
as soon as you can get someone to get you
to admit something that you know to be untrue is true,
then you've given up on your ability to live as
an independent and flourishing country.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah that's the first step. Yeah, No, it's we will
always adhere to the truth here and come what may.
Jim in Minnesota, what do you got first, Jim?
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to say that I've voted
for Trump place and if he's nominated, I'll vote for
him again happily. But the stuff he said about Kaylee.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Mc and any.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Among other things, that's the reason he's not sitting in
the White House today, because that's what turns fifty percent
of the country off to him, and we' compeeding over
really small flights the pie to get the independent voters.
And if you put Trump nominate Trump for the Republicans,
(30:10):
that pipe that slight, the pie just became significantly smaller.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, you know, you know, Jim, thanks yeah, Jim, I
thank you for calling in. I just would say there's
something that I put out as an as an open
question and not for one person to answer, because I
don't believe Clay there is an answer to it. But
I think it's an important question as he moved through
this primary. What is the Trump plan to win the
(30:37):
independence that he needs in the states that he needs.
I don't say that because there is no answer. I
say it because I want to know the answer, and
I think we ought to all keep that in mind.
How is Trump going to do better with independence this time?
And I'm you know, the campaign may well address that.
I'm I'm sure this is something that his uh strategists
(30:58):
are are thinking about, and I think it's something we
all need to know. And if someone asked me, well,
what is it, uh, you know, what is it exactly
that you would say in the case of rondescentis Rohn decentis.
I can just point out what his pitch is to
people who are independence. He's not going to win the
(31:19):
far left, obviously, he's not going to win Democrats. His
pitch to independence is, look at everybody who's moving to
my state scoreboard. That's basically the pitch. People want the
kind of policies that I enact. Does that work for independence?
That's another question.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He says he's going to make America Florida, and there
are a lot of people in Florida that are happy
about that. Tom and Benita Springs, Florida. I think, speaking
of Florida, how would you assess what's going on right now?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Well? I think with Trump it's the problem of the
personality versus policy. He weighs them on his personality too much.
And if you just worked on reminding the people what
he did from two sixteen to twenty twenty, even with
all the headwinds that he had, he'd do a lot better.
But his own mouth puts a crisis in play almost
every day instead of shaping a solid message that says
(32:12):
this is where we're going. I am my feeling with
Donald Trump. I know he's got great polsy. But I
honestly don't know if he sees what's over the horizon
so much very well. And I look at this whole
Kaylie Mack and anything, and I ask myself, how well
does Trump surround himself with good people? And I think
is Scaramucci, I think of Cohen, I think of Amrosa
in the White House, going why is that woman in
(32:35):
the White House? Okay, she's college educated, what be? But
she had no legitimate reason for history for being there.
And one of the people you'll know when Trump has
finally thrown everybody overboard when he attached Sean Hannity that
what will happen is he'll get a Herschel Walker type electric.
They will vote for everybody else but them. We're just
not gonna check the box for him.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's look.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I did everything I could, and We've talked about this
on the show, and I've used Georgia as a specific example.
That's my concern. Seven out of eight statewide Republicans one
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
The only one who didn't was Herschel Walker.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Herschel was the most closely connected to Donald Trump. Now,
Herschel had in his past all sorts of as everyone
does things that are not ideal. They came after him
with everything they had. They spent probably one hundred million
dollars buck trying to tear him down, and he came
very close to winning.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But I look at it and say.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
A generic Republican running for the Senate seven out of
eight statewide one in Georgia, the only one who didn't
was Herschel, A generic Republican would have won.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And if someone believes that Georgia is just Democrats cheating,
I need an explanation for why they only cheat in
that race and not the other. Right, you know, they're
only picking the race where the Trump backed guy isn't
gonna win. And then now maybe some people believe that,
but I would just want to hear the explanation for
(34:04):
why they would risk, you know, being caught and risk
possible prison time for one race but not all the others. Uh,
you know, because because you could make a very clear
case if you lose all the races, it's a Democrat wave,
right yep. But if you're gonna rig it and riggots
to only lose one of them, that seems very weird,
doesn't it. It's a big risk for one race.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And also to win a lot of them, not close.
I mean, Kemp beat Stacy Abrams, who was a well
funded challenger by almost eight points. He's a great email
from Julio. Oh yeah, he's a vip Hi to both
of you, and thank you for the show. I was
born and raised in Venezuela and came here shortly after
(34:44):
Chavez got into power. And you guys are correct when
you said socialism destroyed Venezuela. They sell the idea they're
fighting for the poor, which is a lie because there
are more poor people and misery in Venezuela than ever before.
That must all caps never happen with the USA. That's
(35:04):
why it's always funny, buck when democrats try to lecture people, Oh,
you don't know what socialism really is. Oh, you want
to tell Venezuelans really the people who are risking their
lives to get here, to fight for the freedoms that
many of us unfortunately take for granted on a.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Day to day basis.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Now, I think they have a pretty good idea, same
thing for the Cubans, of what socialism can do.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh so I always say this, Some of the people
you'll come across who appreciate and love America the most
are those who have come here from totalitarian regimes, legally
come here as true refugees, which is an important thing
and is something that you know, should continue on, not
(35:49):
the abuse of this notion that goes on at our
southern border right now, because they understand when things go
badly what that really means. They understand if you're in Ambodia,
or you're in Cuba, or you're in Venezuela, or you're
in the Soviet Union, when the aocs of the world
get their way, everyone's gonna have everything and it's gonna
(36:10):
be great. It's actually horrible and people end up in
camps and it's awful. So there's that bit of breaking news.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
As we go to finish off today's show, we'll talk
about tomorrow Mike Pence, according to NBC News officially announcing
June seventh, So we think we're going to add not
only Chris Christy, former governor of New Jersey, but also
former Vice President Mike Pence to the race.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Both next week. I think we're going to be hearing
a lot about loyalty in the weeks ahead here, which
will be interesting. I think maybe guys, it's going to
be quite a primary. We're honored you're spending time with
us talking about this and everything else going on in
the news. Thank you.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show Podcast. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks
off right now. Thanks for rolling with us, everybody all
across the country. We've got a lot we've been talking
about today. Already started off the show talking about how
only eighteen percent of Americans, according to Gallup, are satisfied
with the state of the nation. So people are very
(00:23):
aware that the Biden presidency is a disaster. That's here
except for about twenty percent who are like Joe Biden's
just great, He's amazing. Which is that? Anna?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Even they twenty percent of people, Buck believe that, I
think they're just so committed to the left wing, but
they're not even committed to Biden. I know't thinks he's
the one who really likes Biden. No, no one thinks
he's doing a great job. They all just pretend because
he is a vessel for the radical left wing policy right,
(01:01):
and that's what you get with Biden.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, people that have said, oh, but Biden is
going to be a moderated absolutely is not a moderate
and he because he's not really any The thing of
a Biden is he stands for nothing. He's actually built
a whole career on Bidenism. He's also, in recent years,
as we've seen, built a career on taking money or
(01:23):
having his family members take money from foreign interests for
business ventures. I thought this is fascinating, you know, I
spoke Clay on our Clay and Buck podcast recently to
Peter Schweitzer, and I thought this was such an important
point about the Biden crime family. You know that the
money that Hunter Biden got from the Chinese interest for CFC,
(01:46):
I think it was CFC holdings for future to be
determined business activities. Yeah. I mean imagine if you were
on like, hey, guys, can you give me like eight
million dollars? I'm going to figure out something really cool
to do with it later. That is called a bribe.
That is called a bribe everybody. But you know it's
(02:06):
Hunter Biden, so it's not technically Joe. So as long
as they can't prove the money was getting siphoned to Joe,
can they prove it in some way, it's all fine.
But Biden is in some ways really the perfect prototypical
democrat of his era, which is whatever works, whatever the
leftist mob wants, whatever's going to help his career in
(02:28):
the moment. He is a pure political opportunist and now
one with dementia as well, and so at some level
he's perfect form many of these Democrats, because you know,
he's like the idiot king who the ministers are getting
whatever they want behind the scenes and they don't have
to take any of the heat.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think Buck when he got passed over in twenty
sixteen for Hillary and Barack Obama himself said you aren't
able to be president, I think everybody forgets that. Barack
Obama set down his vice president and basically said, you
aren't able to be president.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm supporting Hillary.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Which is you want to talk about loyalty as close
to a slap in the face as you can get
to tell your sitting vice president you aren't able to
do this job. I'm picking someone else to support instead. Right,
And remember, Obama never endorsed Biden in the twenty twenty
(03:30):
primaries either until he was already the nominee. It's not
like when Biden got into the race that Obama said, Okay,
you know what, in sixteen, I was wrong. Let me
make it clear. I'm all in on Joe Biden. He's
my guy. Everybody who supports me, go support him. No,
he stayed out of the primary. And my point on
(03:51):
this is, I think Biden as soon as he got
passed over looked in the mirror and said, I'm old,
Hillary's going to win in sixteen, then she's going to
run in twenty again. And then I'll be eighty four
years old or whatever it is. It's time to make money.
And I think he flipped the switch from I want
(04:13):
to maintain my political viability to I want to get
my family rich.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And I think you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Can go back and look, and I bet the dollars
started flowing in aggressively about twenty fourteen and fifteen, even
while he was still vice president, when he realized that
he wasn't going to make the money, that he wasn't
going to be the president, and so let's start making
this money now. And that's when the Hunter Biden crime
family really kicked into high gear.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Democrats have really perfected the art of turning politics into
a cash cap. That's what's happened. It really started with
the Clintons, who will tell you, and they told everyone, oh,
we had no money, you know, we were leaving the
White House. And then they raised do you ever hear
about the Clinton Foundation anymore? Clay, No, you don't. Whatever
(05:03):
Hillary wasn't viable? He vanished. Yep, whatever happened the Clinton
Global Initiative tackling climate change and women's inequality globally. Sure
it was a bunch of foreign governments buying access and
influence with the Clinton crime family. What was the Clinton
Global What was the Clinton Foundation really about? It was
(05:25):
a pass through. Yeah, they'll tell you they give money
to charity, but they were taking a cut to pay
for I think it was eighty million dollars of private
jet travel for you guessed it. The Clinton family to
pay for their lifestyles, to send them around the world,
to give an excuse as well to pay Bill Clinton
up to eight hundred thousand dollars for a single speech.
(05:46):
Clon and I both give speech to somehoumes for money,
by the way, reach out to our people. And no
one gets paid eight hundred grand for a speech. That's
not a thing, that's a bribe. But the Clinton's did it,
The Bidens did it. You look at Nancy Pelosi, you
look at Dianne Feinstein and see their stock activities and
their stock trades, and you wonder hmm. Somehow Natzi Pelosi
(06:10):
is like better at trading than the hedge funds. How
is that possible, Nancy? How is Nancy Pelosi a more
astute stock market analyst? I don't think Nancy Pelosi could
name three of the first five presidents of the United States,
but man, is she good at trading the stock market.
So we all see this, right, the corruption, the craziness,
(06:34):
and I think Democrats at some level, no, there's a
little bit of panic. They think Joe is still their
best option. Is a little bit of panic. Did you
see this now? I mean, look, we talk about the
view sometimes here and in some ways, yes, is the
view bad for this country? Sure? Is the view making
people who watch it dumber? Absolutely? But is it a
rich source of content for Clay and Buck? Absolutely? The
(06:56):
same though can be said for MSNBC and even more
specifically Joy Reid show on MSNBC. Did you see this now?
They're going with after what was it a week or
two ago we were told that Florida was an unsafe
state for LGBT people, for black people. Joy Reid is
(07:17):
saying that DeSantis wants to make us like North Korea Cuba,
which I thought the left Love, Cuba and China Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
There is a model for what this little dictator in
the making wants to do. Just look at China, Cuba,
North Korea, Afghanistan or Iran, where the government censors the
media or force feeds a strict conservative religious ideology to
children in schools, deploys morality police to make sure you're
wearing what they want, learning what they want, doing what
(07:46):
they want. That model also happens to have a name,
and it's called totalitarianism, the political concept that the citizen
should totally be subject to an absolute state authority.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Now, I don't I don't know how to said is
the Democrats are full blown authoritarians and totalitarians. And we
saw it during COVID and it couldn't be any more clear.
And they're absolute lunatics. I'm never going to forget it.
We're gonna have Ian Miller joining us to talk about
his latest book. Who was the guy who was phenomenally
useful during COVID for sharing the graphs on masks? Spoiler alert.
(08:20):
They don't work at all. They don't do a thing.
It's fun to be able to say that. Now know
that you know, oh, we're not going to get like
censored on the interwebs. But joy read here's saying that
Florida is a totalitarian state. This is one thing we
have to be on guard for, Clay. When it comes
to Democrats, they don't just lie. They go to it's
(08:43):
like anti truth. They go to the absolute polar opposite
of the truth. Florida has built a brand as the
place where Donald Trump lives, the place where Ronda Santis lives,
a place where so many people place where I live,
so many people in the media live now as the
pro free state because of COVID, and now over at MSNBC,
(09:03):
they want to tell you that Florida is a totalitarianism
because they don't want third graders being handed books in
school that I don't even I'm not even comfortable telling
people on the radio, really what's in these books?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's It's also an easy argument to make on the
contrary buck how many people try to get into Cuba,
how many people try to get into North Korea? Right,
Florida has added millions of people in the four years
that Ron DeSantis has been governor. Thankfully, we still have
(09:39):
the free flow of people in this country.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You can move from one state to another. Although it's
worth noting that many of the furthest left wing science
advocates during COVID wanted to restrict your ability to actually
leave the state.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That you're in.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They forget about that now, But the Andy Slavic company
out there that was advising the Biden administration actually wanted
to restrict your ability to leave your.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
State over COVID.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But an easy counter to joy read I mean, clearly
this is balder dash, buck, but it would just be hey,
wait a bit word, thank you. How many people out
there are trying to go to totalitarian countries? Am I
missing all of the people trying to get into Cuba?
Am I missing all of the people moving to North Korea?
(10:28):
Because everybody's moving to Florida? Yeah, which is the ultimate.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You may not know this, but as Joyrie will tell you,
real estate prices in Pyongyang or skyrocketing because everyone wants
a condo in Pyongyang, just like they do in Miami.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You know what, I left your Miami apartment. We were
doing the show by like hung Out. I had a
Cuban driver recently and she drove me to the airport
and she she was awesome, and she said, I hope
she's listening right now. She said, you know, there's a
lot of complaining in America. And I'm paraphrasing, but she said,
(11:03):
when I was in Cuba, it got really hot at night.
Nobody had air conditioning. She's like, every time I walk
around in Miami and I see anybody complaining about anything,
I'm like, go back to your air conditioned home and
live in your luxury. You don't even realize until you
(11:24):
have experienced what socialism is and what it does to
the people. You don't even realize in this country how
fortunate you are. And in South Florida, Buck, I bet
you're constantly surrounded by Venezuelans and Cubans and people who
have pled Latin American totalitarianism that are just a wash
(11:45):
in the freedoms that they get to embrace every single
day in Florida.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
They're very important. I actually just visited with a friend
of mine with Carrie over the weekend who was at
the Bay of Pigs. Oh wow. He was a fighter
at the Bay of Pigs, a dear friend of mine,
and later joined the Marine Corps, the United States Marine
Corps when we got him out because he loved this
country even though he felt like the Democrat Kennedy did
(12:09):
not give the air cover and kind of betrayed the
troops on the beach, but still loved America with all
of his heart. I think he would still sign up
to fight in the Marines tomorrow if he could. But
he's in his eighties. And when you see people that
have left in recent years, it's really, you know, a
lot of it is Venezuela. You still have Cuban immigration
to Florida from to Florida from Cuba, but from Venezuela
(12:33):
and the collapse of Venezuela. And I just wish people
would hear this more. And I think there's an important
part of the narrative in this country that sometimes doesn't
get enough attention. The policies that AOC and Bernie want
for America are the policies of the Maduro regime in Venezuela.
(12:53):
It's the end stage of those policies, but it is
ideologically aligned with a so socialist country run by social
justice principles, where all of a sudden, the elites are
the only ones doing well and everybody else can just
you know, go jump off a pier. And people should
(13:13):
be reminded that it's a country that was for the
region very wealthy for the region, culturally rich, highly educated population,
and in the span of twenty years, has been destroyed
and turned to penury, turned to just sheer poverty, malnutrition.
Why social justice got to spread a little more of
(13:36):
that money around for the poor people, got to take
a little more of the industry over by the government.
And I think the Venezuelan refugee population in America is
incredibly important as a warning of what happens when the
leftist lunatics take power.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Always worth mentioning. Do you remember where Bernie Sanders went
on his honeymoon.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Isn't that the craziest thing? Moscow when it was the
Soviet Union. What a maniac. That's why whenever someone says, oh,
he's like a cuddly old grandpa, No he's not, No
he's not, he would tell you that the price the
price of your slow starvation under Bernie's idiotic economic policies.
Because he's economically illiterate. He would say, yeah, well, you know,
(14:20):
sorry for you, but to make an omelet, you got
to break a few eggs that you don't have anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
He went to the Soviet Union during his honeymoon during
the Cold War to celebrate their style of government.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Just think about that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Everybody wants to pretend it didn't happen. Think about how
much time you spend planning your honeymoon, and that numb
skull chose to go to the Soviet Union and actually
propagated lies about how great it was there. That's who
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Speaker 2 (15:52):
We mentioned this Buck in the open to the show,
and I do think this is getting crazy. Sam Ponder
is at ESPN, and she tweeted out during our show.
She is a prominent ESPN employee and she has been
one of the few ESPN employees who's outspoken and actually
(16:15):
supporting the idea of men not being able to compete
against women. And she said biology is not bigotry, which
is a great synthesis of why men pretending to be
women shouldn't be able to compete again women's athletics.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
But she got called a bigot by USA today.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
No one at ESPN in the corporate office Buck has
defended Sam Ponder at all.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Usually, when you get.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Attacks like that from other media outlets, your PR team
goes to work and they end up defending you. In fact,
quite the contrary. Tomorrow, Buck, ESPN is raising the trans
flag over the ESPN campus. This is more than just
the Pride flag. This is ESPN sticking their thumb in
(17:03):
all of your eyes. If you are a sports fan.
ESPN has already said Leah Thomas is a women's sports hero.
They're now raising the trans flag to fly over a
sports network, and they are now, to me making it
clear that their corporate mantra is if you're a man
(17:23):
and you want to identify as a women, as a woman,
you are a women sports champion. This is where we
are and even for me, this is a staggering spot.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Wait wait, hold, but hold on. So the corporate ESPN,
owned by Disney right doing this interesting, isn't it? Disney
on ESPN Disney Do the hosts, though publicly, all go.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Along with this, like many of them will, and a
lot of them are afraid if they don't have a
lot of security in their jobs to actually speak out
against it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I don't mean to speak out against it, I mean do
they affirm at public. But we can come back to this. Yeah,
it's a good question.
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
Cleay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth,
welcome back. We've got our friend Ian Miller with us now.
He is is a writer for out Kick and author
of a new book, Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and
the Collapse of Expertise. Ian, Welcome back to the show.
I'm assuming this is not a lot of Fauci is
(19:16):
brilliant and right analysis. Tell us what you get into
in this book.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
That's that's a good assumption. Yeah, it is kind of
going in detail on Fauci and the CEC and a
lot of other experts about how they kind of mismanaged
virtually everything about the COVID pandemic and our response to it,
and the mistakes they made, and more importantly, you know,
pointing out how little accountability there was. You know, they've
never took any responsibility for the mistakes that they've made.
(19:42):
They've never acknowledged half of them. A lot of cases,
they're still kind of maintaining that a lot of these
policies were actually effective. And so the case of the
book has kind of make this comprehensive overview of why
that's wrong, how they got it wrong, and why we
need to hold them accountable going forward.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, Ian, when you see arguments being made that Florida
handled COVID poorly, that the rate of death in Florida
was bad. This is actually the argument that Trump is
now trotting out against Ron DeSantis. You are a data guy,
you spent and you've lived in California, so you had
to deal with all the craziness of Gavin Newsom. You
(20:21):
shared incredible charts over the years. How did Florida do
relative to the rest of the country. What sort of
benefit if any, did say New York and California gain
from shutting down? What is the raw data intelligently analyzed?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Tell us.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Right, well, and it's the exact opposite conclusion of what
kind of the messaging has been. If you look at
age DIESIC code immortality, because obviously Florida has a much
more elderly population compared to New York and California, Florida
outperformed the rest of the country that had a much
lower age adjusted COVID death rate than New York. Despite
New Yorks lockdowns, had lower excess mortality than California, meaning
(21:04):
fewer people than over the expected normal died in Florida
and in California. And Florida benefited because they kept their
economy open as much as possible and kept kids in schools,
and which is going to have huge positive effects down
the road. California and New York had both been losing
huge numbers of people, and New York City lost almost
half a million people in just a couple of years.
That's a huge that's a huge difference, with a lot
(21:25):
of them going to Florida because it was open and
because they could get their kids in schools. So, you know,
trying to revision his history of trying to stay Florida
didn't perform well. Is just not backed up by data
at all.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Ian, is there any sign that you're seeing And as
part of the research for the book, did you find
meaningful maya culpas from major medical institutions, from you know,
the science as it was known for a while, not
just from the faucies, the CDCs, the NIHS, et cetera,
(21:58):
but you know, major hospital systems, the so called consensus
about so much of this stuff that was shockingly wrong.
I mean, the data, as I've been talking about on
this show. The data on for example, the frenzy to
put everybody on ventilators shows they were killing people by
putting them on ventilators. There were a lot of people
(22:19):
who would have survived their first bout with COVID who
were put on a ventilator far too quickly because there
was a panic in the medical community. Is anyone saying
we're sorry, we're we got this wrong, or does everyone
just move past it in the medical field at these
big institutions and act like it didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Definitely the latter. Pretty much everybody is just trying to
move on and kind of quietly dismiss everything and not
really take any responsibility or acknowledge that they were wrong
about this stuff. Like you said, ventilators are a huge issue,
you know, masking people forever and masking toddlers, and the
CDC director came out there not long ago, and so
you know, our guidance doesn't really change over time. We're
(22:57):
going to continue to recommend masking kids meally forever, based
off of community transmission. I think, you know, obviously public
health agencies have been in particular a lot of these
hospital systems that were very openly promoting you know, all
the vaccine passports and things like that. They just kind
of want to move past it because I think everybody
could see at this point, or people that have been
paying attention, that they were wrong. The data shows that
(23:19):
were wrong. Everybody got COVID anyway, despite what all these
experts were saying to do, And so I think they
feel like it would undermine their credibility if they admitted
that they got this wrong and that they made mistakes.
So instead they're just kind of trying to move past it.
If anything, there's been, I mean a shocking lack of
accountability as opposed to kind of taking responsibility for their actions.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Ian now that we look back where three years removed.
I think you wrote an article at OutKick about the
fact that only now is air travel getting back to
where it was when we shut down in March of
twenty twenty, which is really kind of crazy to think
about the three years country did actually handle COVID the
(24:04):
best is there now that we've got three years of
data and we can look and analyze all the different perspectives.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
We talk about states, But is it Sweden?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Like if you could point to a European or United
States or you know, the North American country, is there
a country that you think handled COVID really well and
if so, who and what should we have done in retrospect?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, it has to be Sweden. I mean they did
the most to keep their economy moving they didn't close
schools if at all, or for very limited age groups
were very limited amount of time. You know, there were
no mask manmates generally for the whole country basically. And
what's so frustrating is that they essentially followed all of
these pre COVID pandemic planning documents that all these public
(24:49):
health agencies spent years developing. They followed it. Everybody else
panicked and threw it out, and you know, I write
a chapter about it in the book. But you can
compare Sweden to all these other countries, to European countries,
and in every comparison they come out looking really well
where you know, they have lower excess mortality rates or
they overperformed compared to other countries that have some more populations.
(25:09):
And they did it all without disrupting their population as
much as we did in the United States and most
states especially or places like Australia and New Zealand that
went the entire opposite direction. And if you look, Australia
has now had huge excess mortality rates where over the
last year and a half. So I think there's a
there's a clear winner here in Sweden. And it's not
that they did anything particularly special. It's just that they
(25:30):
actually followed the guidance that everybody had set out before COVID.
For some reason, our experts just completely panicked and throw
it out, and they stayed strong.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The book is Illusion of Control, COVID nineteen and the
Collapse of Expertise. Ian Miller, thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
For being with us, well, thanks for having me.
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(27:50):
Tim in Upstate New York. Tim, what you got for us?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Not a lot? Okay, Let's go to Charlie and Ventura, California. Charlie,
what do you have for us?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
So, guys, this is like a little double meaning thing.
It's Trump and the whole trans flag thing at ESPN,
it's the pride before the fall. With Trump, it's the
pride before the fall because he's just running people away
from him.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I know people in.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Florida, all the Trump supporters, I know, they're just sick
and tired. They want to hear policy. They're tired of
this tit for tat. What happened to Kaylee mcanelly That
stupid commercially runs on Fox News every night. Looks like
you know, Nanny Nanny booboo.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
A third grader.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
And then you got all the woke you know, companies
that are going under because they're flying the pride flag.
So there is the pride before their fall. And quite frankly,
you know, the United States is looking like it's going
the way of the Romans. We're just allowing this stuff
to take over and we're just playing games and we're
no longer taking our country and our lives seriously.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Buck, if we got into a real war, the pronouns
that we would use in battle, I think we'd go
out the window in a hurry, And I think we'd
want the baddest of the baddest asses to be fighting
for us. And a part of me feels like we're
just getting lost in all of this absurdity on a
day to day basis. But the other part of me says,
(29:12):
as soon as you can get someone to get you
to admit something that you know to be untrue is true,
then you've given up on your ability to live as
an independent and flourishing country.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah that's the first step. Yeah, No, it's we will
always adhere to the truth here and come what may.
Jim in Minnesota, what do you got first, Jim?
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to say that I've voted
for Trump place and if he's nominated, I'll vote for
him again happily. But the stuff he said about Kaylee.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Mc and any.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Among other things, that's the reason he's not sitting in
the White House today, because that's what turns fifty percent
of the country off to him, and we' compeeding over
really small flights the pie to get the independent voters.
And if you put Trump nominate Trump for the Republicans,
(30:10):
that pipe that slight, the pie just became significantly smaller.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, you know, you know, Jim, thanks yeah, Jim, I
thank you for calling in. I just would say there's
something that I put out as an as an open
question and not for one person to answer, because I
don't believe Clay there is an answer to it. But
I think it's an important question as he moved through
this primary. What is the Trump plan to win the
(30:37):
independence that he needs in the states that he needs.
I don't say that because there is no answer. I
say it because I want to know the answer, and
I think we ought to all keep that in mind.
How is Trump going to do better with independence this time?
And I'm you know, the campaign may well address that.
I'm I'm sure this is something that his uh strategists
(30:58):
are are thinking about, and I think it's something we
all need to know. And if someone asked me, well,
what is it, uh, you know, what is it exactly
that you would say in the case of rondescentis Rohn decentis.
I can just point out what his pitch is to
people who are independence. He's not going to win the
(31:19):
far left, obviously, he's not going to win Democrats. His
pitch to independence is, look at everybody who's moving to
my state scoreboard. That's basically the pitch. People want the
kind of policies that I enact. Does that work for independence?
That's another question.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He says he's going to make America Florida, and there
are a lot of people in Florida that are happy
about that. Tom and Benita Springs, Florida. I think, speaking
of Florida, how would you assess what's going on right now?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
Well? I think with Trump it's the problem of the
personality versus policy. He weighs them on his personality too much.
And if you just worked on reminding the people what
he did from two sixteen to twenty twenty, even with
all the headwinds that he had, he'd do a lot better.
But his own mouth puts a crisis in play almost
every day instead of shaping a solid message that says
(32:12):
this is where we're going. I am my feeling with
Donald Trump. I know he's got great polsy. But I
honestly don't know if he sees what's over the horizon
so much very well. And I look at this whole
Kaylie Mack and anything, and I ask myself, how well
does Trump surround himself with good people? And I think
is Scaramucci, I think of Cohen, I think of Amrosa
in the White House, going why is that woman in
(32:35):
the White House? Okay, she's college educated, what be? But
she had no legitimate reason for history for being there.
And one of the people you'll know when Trump has
finally thrown everybody overboard when he attached Sean Hannity that
what will happen is he'll get a Herschel Walker type electric.
They will vote for everybody else but them. We're just
not gonna check the box for him.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's look.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I did everything I could, and We've talked about this
on the show, and I've used Georgia as a specific example.
That's my concern. Seven out of eight statewide Republicans one
in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
The only one who didn't was Herschel Walker.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Herschel was the most closely connected to Donald Trump. Now,
Herschel had in his past all sorts of as everyone
does things that are not ideal. They came after him
with everything they had. They spent probably one hundred million
dollars buck trying to tear him down, and he came
very close to winning.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But I look at it and say.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
A generic Republican running for the Senate seven out of
eight statewide one in Georgia, the only one who didn't
was Herschel, A generic Republican would have won.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And if someone believes that Georgia is just Democrats cheating,
I need an explanation for why they only cheat in
that race and not the other. Right, you know, they're
only picking the race where the Trump backed guy isn't
gonna win. And then now maybe some people believe that,
but I would just want to hear the explanation for
(34:04):
why they would risk, you know, being caught and risk
possible prison time for one race but not all the others. Uh,
you know, because because you could make a very clear
case if you lose all the races, it's a Democrat wave,
right yep. But if you're gonna rig it and riggots
to only lose one of them, that seems very weird,
doesn't it. It's a big risk for one race.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And also to win a lot of them, not close.
I mean, Kemp beat Stacy Abrams, who was a well
funded challenger by almost eight points. He's a great email
from Julio. Oh yeah, he's a vip Hi to both
of you, and thank you for the show. I was
born and raised in Venezuela and came here shortly after
(34:44):
Chavez got into power. And you guys are correct when
you said socialism destroyed Venezuela. They sell the idea they're
fighting for the poor, which is a lie because there
are more poor people and misery in Venezuela than ever before.
That must all caps never happen with the USA. That's
(35:04):
why it's always funny, buck when democrats try to lecture people, Oh,
you don't know what socialism really is. Oh, you want
to tell Venezuelans really the people who are risking their
lives to get here, to fight for the freedoms that
many of us unfortunately take for granted on a.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Day to day basis.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Now, I think they have a pretty good idea, same
thing for the Cubans, of what socialism can do.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh so I always say this, Some of the people
you'll come across who appreciate and love America the most
are those who have come here from totalitarian regimes, legally
come here as true refugees, which is an important thing
and is something that you know, should continue on, not
(35:49):
the abuse of this notion that goes on at our
southern border right now, because they understand when things go
badly what that really means. They understand if you're in Ambodia,
or you're in Cuba, or you're in Venezuela, or you're
in the Soviet Union, when the aocs of the world
get their way, everyone's gonna have everything and it's gonna
(36:10):
be great. It's actually horrible and people end up in
camps and it's awful. So there's that bit of breaking news.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
As we go to finish off today's show, we'll talk
about tomorrow Mike Pence, according to NBC News officially announcing
June seventh, So we think we're going to add not
only Chris Christy, former governor of New Jersey, but also
former Vice President Mike Pence to the race.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Both next week. I think we're going to be hearing
a lot about loyalty in the weeks ahead here, which
will be interesting. I think maybe guys, it's going to
be quite a primary. We're honored you're spending time with
us talking about this and everything else going on in
the news. Thank you.
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