May 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay and Buck encouraging listeners to subscribe to their podcast network, highlighting the variety of unique shows available. They then welcome Joe Concha from Fox News, who discusses his new book, "The Greatest Comeback Ever: Inside Trump's Big Beautiful Campaign." Concha recounts the dramatic events of the 2024 election, including Joe Biden's cognitive decline, the assassination attempt on Trump, and Kamala Harris's unexpected rise and fall. He emphasizes the unprecedented nature of these events and the media's role in covering them.
The conversation shifts to the future of the Democratic Party, with Concha speculating on potential candidates for 2028. He mentions Andy Beshear, AOC, and the possibility of an outsider like Mark Cuban. Clay and Buck express skepticism about Beshear's viability and discuss the challenges facing the Democrats in finding a strong candidate.
The show then transitions to an interview with Paul Mauro, former NYPD inspector, who is launching a new weekly Fox Nation show, "Karen Reed Retrial Live." Mauro provides an overview of the Karen Reed case, detailing the conflicting narratives and the evidence presented by both the prosecution and defense. He explains the significance of digital forensics in the case and the challenges faced by the defense in proving a police conspiracy.
Mauro also discusses the role of local law enforcement in immigration enforcement, highlighting the barriers created by sanctuary city policies. He explains the importance of ICE administrative warrants and the potential impact of a recent case in Milwaukee on immigration enforcement.
Next, the hosts delve into Sheryl Crow's comments about living in Tennessee, where she struggles with the state's conservative politics. They discuss the impact of celebrities moving to red states and the potential for these states to become more politically diverse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in final hour of the week. We appreciate
all of you who've spent fourteen hours with us so far.
Maybe you have not been able to we would encourage
you to go subscribe to the podcast. As you heard
as we went to break at the end of the
last hour. We have got a phenomenal podcast network, many
different unique shows out there dominating in many different aspects
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of the political, social, culture arenas, and so we appreciate
all of you. You can search out my name Clay Travis.
You can search out Buck Sexton. You can also listen
on the iHeart app, which is a fabulous app where
you can find all different sorts of musical opportunities, and
you can listen at clayanbuck dot com. We bring in
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now our friend from Fox News, Joe Kanca. Who is Joe?
Are you a Knicks fan?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh that's a shame, because Buck grew up a Knicks fan.
And I was going to give you a little bit
of praise because the Knicks finally won a playoff series
last night, and they did so an exciting fact, Jaywen
Buck Brunson Crossover draining a three, and so I thought
maybe you were a Knicks fan too.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, we'll skip that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It is a big week for you, however, because you've
got a brand new book out and it's about Trump's
greatest political comeback ever. And I know that it's been
six months ish since the election day itself, but it's
still kind of remarkable history, I think. And you're writing
a version of history with this first kind of draft
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of history because it's still so current. History's going to
have a hell of a story to tell in the
twenty twenty four election for a long time to come.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think it was the craziest time we've ever seen
guys in any campaign ever. I mean, there's one point,
Clay Buck June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, that debate
in Atlanta, I was there at Georgia Tech, and we
all saw Joe Biden's brain turned applesauce. The media was shocked.
Democrats for shocks. You guys have been talking about his
cognitive decline on this show for many years. I have
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as well, so it wasn't surprised to us. But then
think about what happens after that July eleventh, Joe Biden
says that we need to put Trump in a bullseye
unquote right. And then two days later Butler, Pennsylvania, somehow
a twenty year old kid is able to hide a
high powered rifle next to the one building that has
perfect line of sight to Donald Trump. He's then able
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to get up on the building because nobody decided to
secure it. They had some personnel inside of it, which
does nothing. But there that kid is right up on
the building. And if Donald Trump doesn't turn his head
hard to the right to read a chart that he
had never read before in a rally, then we're having
a much different conversation right now. And then July fifteenth,
there he is at the RNC with a big bandage
on his ear. He chooses jd Vance, which not a
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lot of people expected. Six days later, Joe Biden drops
out of the race, and a day or two later,
pretty much the Democratic Party consolidated around Kamala Harris. So
if you just look at that twenty four day stretch alone,
it's never going to get any nutier than that. And
yet they thought Kamala Harris was going to be able
to pull this out at the last second.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, I remember there, Do you remember, Joe?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I know you do, because you wrote the book about it,
and also you're Joe and you cover this too.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But uh, when they.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Had that, I think it was about two weeks, maybe
in August or all of a sudden it was, oh,
look at Kamala's numbers, She's the greatest.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And I got nervous, Box stayed strong. I was a
little bit nervous, I'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I actually that was when I made the call that
Trump would win by more than he beat Hillary by,
which in August of twenty twenty four felt like a
little bit of a little bit of a crazy thing
to say. But now, of course, looks great in retrospect.
But do you think any of them actually believed it,
Joe when it came to Kamala or did they just
have no choice and they knew it. It was like
Hope casting right. And it was a mirage because she
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was doing these rallies and you saw the big crowds
in the enthusiasm and Brat's summer and she's bringing joy
back to the campaign. But she wasn't doing any interviews
during that time. Remember July twenty third or so, she
became the nominee in essence, and then she didn't do
an interview when until September, like they wouldn't even let
her go on the view or MSNBC, so she was,
you know, the prompter candidate and read the same speeches
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over and over again and talked about how she worked
at a McDonald's, which of course never happened. What I
knew that Trump was going to win was the teamsters
had these internal polls that they put out, and one
when he was up against Joe Biden, that being Trump
bidens up by ten points because he's always portrayed himself
as a very pro union guy. Kamala then gets installed
Soviet style and they do another poll among the rank
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and file teamsters and Trump is up by thirty. You're like, wow,
that's a forty point friggin swing. And then Trump's gaining
Black vote and he's gaining Latino votes, and you're thinking,
who's left to vote for Kamala Harris exactly. I mean
the childless cat ladies. I mean, that was basically all
that was left over.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's so many different angles.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And I got your book, and I appreciate you you
sending it out, and I'm looking forward to checking it
out in general. But this thing of suddenly pivoting and
going after people that they claimed were phenomenal. I don't
know if you've seen this today, but New York magazine
has a huge cover story where they say, and I'm
(05:07):
reading from the teas from New York Magazine, it's about
John Fetterman, Pennsylvania Center senator. Former current staffers paint a
picture of an erratic senator who's become almost impossible to
work for and whose mental health situation is more serious
and complicated than previously reported. It's become harder to tell
whether or not he can even do the job, and
(05:30):
it ends with they worry he may present a danger
to the Democrat Party and maybe even to himself if
he's not pro Israel. Is this story ever written, in
your opinion, Joe.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
If he didn't go to mar A Lago to meet
with Trump? Would it be ever written if you didn't
say that we need much stronger border security, like things
that Democrats have a real problem saying yeah, all these things.
If I'm John Fetterman, I say Democratic Party, screw all right,
I'm out. I'll go caucus with Republicans now. If you
don't want me, that's fine. Because this was clearly a
plant and the fact that everybody cheered on John Fetterman
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in twenty twenty two when he ran against doctor Oz
from the Pennsylvania Senate seat while he literally needed like
close captioning in order to like do interviews. He couldn't
do small talk. Oh no, that's ableism. You guys can't
attack him from because he had a heart attack. And now,
of course they're trying to drive him out because he's
the one Democrat that I could see at this point
that is making common sense arguments and that's a big
no no in the Party of Crazy. We're speaking of
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Joe Conca Fox News and of course his book out
this week, the greatest comeback ever Inside Trump's Big Beautiful Campaign,
probably the biggest, the most beautiful of all campaigns all time.
And Joe, what happens now? You know, I know you've
covered the media a lot. You're a media guy who
covers media. You covered them for many years. And for example,
(06:49):
we have discussed on this show that there's another book
that will be coming out next month which we don't
have to give the title of, not that we didn't
even know the title, but where Jake Tapper of CNN
has team up with a Axios reporter or political Alex tos. Yeah,
to write a book about the Biden dementia cover up?
What is the possible rationale to be in the Democrat
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aligned media and writing a book now about the Biden
dementia cover up? If you weren't walking around wearing a
bright orange T shirt saying, guys are our man has dementia?
He can't be president anymore? When it mattered, like, what's
the game plan here? The game plan is three letters
buck c why A. They're going to pretend that they
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actually were covering this and covering it in a tough way.
You could probably find the SoundBite. It's from twenty twenty.
Laura Trump is on CNN with Jake Tapper and she
says that she believes that Joe Biden is going through
a cognitive decline, which was obvious even during that campaign,
and Tapper just scolds her, says, no, it's a stutter. Oh,
you don't have any proof of that. We don't like
conspiracy theories on this network. And you're like, oh, boy,
(07:58):
so you know pain is temporary, but film is forever.
So please, but let's play that clip as much as
possible on this show. Because for Jake Tapper now to
turn around then talk about how the media missed the
story about Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Alex Thompson, who wrote
this with him, kept saying this at the White House
Correspondents Center, that reporters missed the story, that they were
deceived by the White House. No, there's no story to miss.
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If you had eyes, ears, sobriety and sanity, you could
see Joe Biden shaking hands with the air after he
finished his speech. You could see you to know how
to get off a stage after doing it for fifty years.
You could see he's like the kid from the sixth Sense,
having conversations with dead people, in this case, like dead leaders.
You don't need to be told by a White House
source that Joe Biden's having problems. You just needed to
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observe him five minutes outside of a teleprompter, where he
was a human chernobyl when speaking outside of one.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Where did democrats go from here? You're writing the book
about the greatest political comeback. To be fair, if you
had been on with us in May of twenty twenty
one and you had said, hey, guys, Trump's gonna win
it lnslide victory in November twenty twenty four. I don't
think it's going to be close. A lot of people
would have said that's a bold prediction. I wouldn't have
bought onto it then. Obviously we're now in May of
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twenty twenty five. It doesn't feel like Democrats have any
future at all.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Bluck. I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
CBS News has a big expose up about Kamala Harris.
They say she's not sure what she's gonna do, but
she her options are she may do nothing at all,
she may run for governor, or she may run for president.
So they have an entire feature where they say she
could do anything. Where does Kamala go from here? She's
the defeated candidate. It's May twenty twenty five. Is her
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career over or not? And who are the Democrats?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Do you buye?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Smith?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Do you think there's any outsiders? Who are the Democrats
that might emerge as we get closer to.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Twenty twenty eight? Okay, Clay, So if we're going to
apply logic here, then Democrats would be wise to nominate
Andy Vasher Kentucky governor. I know he's a bit vanilla.
I know he's boring, and you need to have a
performative aspect to every campaign. We saw with Obama, we
saw it with Trump. If Biden doesn't count because that
was COVID and that that was like the bubble year
when the Lakers won the championship. I can't even count that, right,
(10:11):
That wasn't a normal thing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let me let me pause here for a sec. Andy
Basheer is the biggest pussy willow on the planet.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I want.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I have to add willow. I hope they nominate him.
He is the most milk toast, complete loser with no
spine whatsoever. He would get obliterated, but he might be
their pick. Sorry, I just have to put that in there.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
This guy, I hate to say it because he went
to Vanderbilt or both the bumps on the same school,
but he's a total loser with no spont Wow. Okay,
I wanted to go pussy Willow, but I wasn't sure
if the SEC would have like that problem with that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So you have to add the willow. The willis the
whole thing. Yeah, no, I totally agree, blank Willow. That
was from the Howard Stern movie Let's see so. But
but my my mild retort would be that he is
at sixty eight percent approval in a red state like Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So I don't believe it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't believe Yeah, okay, yeah, good, I liked I
like when Tennessee sticks up for Kentucky on this one.
Clay is like, you know what, I'm naughty. I'm not
gonna throw Kentucky under the bus and believe it's seventy
percent of them actually like their governor. Yes, that's great,
but you're right about twenty twenty one. I never would
have predicted that Trump would be sitting where he is today.
I was on board with Ron DeSantis. I was publicly
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on board with Ron de Santis. I thought that he
was Trump without the baggage, without the ninety four felony accounts,
without not a hostile media, but not as hostile the media.
But it probably would have happened anyway. But the way
he was running Florida, he wins by eighteen points in
twenty twenty two, and I go down there to do
a speech. It was in Naples, Florida, and there's maybe
two two hundred and fifty people there, and I did
a straw poll, like who would you like to be
(11:43):
the nominee on the Republican side, And I thought that
DeSantis would get half the votes because he just did
so well in that election. And DeSantis maybe got ten percent.
Nicki Haley got like one percent, and the other ninety
basically went to Donald Trump. I'm a boy, no one's
going anywhere. They are loyal to this man. And that's
when I started to change my mind about Trump. As
for her, kammal or her career is over. I don't
even think she could win in California. You remember in
(12:04):
twenty nineteen when she ran for president, she dropped out
before the California primary because she was pulling at sixth
place in California, her own state, behind Andrew friggin Yang.
I mean, so, I don't know. After this election, I
think a lot of people saw that she's all foam
and no beer, all bubbles and no bath. And this
is somebody that if they nominate her, they could lose
fifty one states, which is mathematically impossible, but I think
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it would be that bad. Then the other alternative is AOC,
which she has the energy. I guess she has a
social media following, She has never passed one piece of
legislation since she's been in Congress. Sure, but that doesn't matter,
I guess in this world. So I could see AOC
But then again, she could really win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia,
North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada. I can't see her doing well
in those states. So I don't know where Democrats go here.
(12:48):
It's probably someone we're not even talking about, like a
Mark Cuban or somebody like that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
God forbid, Joe, go get the book. We encourage everybody
to check it out. Give us the title one more
time for people as they roll into the weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, I'll give you the title that I wanted, all right,
The greatest comeback ever inside Trump's big, beautiful campaign, unburdened
by what has been. But they said I couldn't put
the lastart on because there wasn't enough real state on
the cover.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So go figure.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So yeah, the greatest comeback ever. Thank you guys. It's
a bestseller. Awesome, Joe Kanca. You'll see them on Fox News.
You can find them in your bookstores. Best comeback to ever.
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Speaker 3 (15:09):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Paul Morrow
of Fox News formerly the NYPD joining us here in
a few minutes to talk about the series he's launching
on Fox Business. And also when I ask him about
the law enforcement piece, you know, Stephen Miller said something
really interesting about what's going to happen with the deportations,
which is he said state and local law enforcement are
going to get involved very interesting Clay, because up to
(15:32):
this point, in a lot of places, state and local
law enforcement are barred from assisting federal immigration authorities by
the state and local authorities themselves by elected officials. Right,
So the Mayor of New York essentially can say NYPD
can't help immigrations and customs enforcement. But there may be
(15:53):
some leverage to get that changed. Last week, I was
with Tom Homan and he said, I think I can
say it now. Wait two weeks, We're going to have
some big news for you. I think they're going to
go after some of these sanctuary city laws and some
of these sanctuary city politicians and say, hey, if you
(16:15):
are helping to conceal illegal immigrants, you're violating federal law
and we're going to start to come after you. And
that's going to set off some fireworks, and as Steven
Miller said, it will also then force the courts to say, hey,
does the president have the ability to do this? Tom
Holman's rock star dude.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That guy's such an amazing guy.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So Steve, it's funny we actually get home in Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean, these are.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The krem de la krem of the Trump White House
and the Trump inner Circle on policy and they're doing
great things for the American people. We got a funny
talk back here, Bob from Beaumont. This is BB and Beaumont,
Texas listens on a five sixty KLV. I play it, hey,
Clayan book.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
And she's a hot chick. So you know, there is.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Most important one do work most importantly, Bob, congrats on
having a hot chick wife. And secondly, let's just say, Clay,
if someone's I'm gonna throw a little bit of a
flag on this. If someone's moving in with you, I
think that changes the calculation a little bit. Yeah, they
might want to help a little more.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And also they may not trust you to move their stuff.
I don't know right now, Laura, my wife is downstairs.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If you told me what's the most miserable thing you
could be doing this weekend, she's trying to distinguish between
different palettes for the colors of the new chairs in
our house, and just looking at it gave me hives,
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I am Paul Morrow, former NYPD inspector, attorney and founder
of opsdesk dot org. Also formerly my boss and the
(19:10):
chain of command at the NYPD Intelligence Division. Paul, it's
going back fifteen years now. I'm getting old, my friend.
You know, I got to think back to these times now,
and I was I was just a young buck making
my way in the world. And I appreciated your your
steadfast leadership in the Intel Division, always doing a great job.
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
First and foremost of course, thank you for having me.
Fuck you haven't changed. I gotta tell you look the same, brother,
Thank you. That is true.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I definitely, I definitely do look the same. A little
more little hair, yeah, you know, the hair is still there.
I'm a lucky man. So you're launching, let's talk about
this for a second. If you're launching a new weekly
Fox Nation show, Karen Reid Retrial Live. So you know,
my wife is a little more into the true crime
stuff than I am, which I don't think think I'm
(20:00):
the only guy in America who's going to say that.
But the Karen Reid trial, we haven't talked about this
on the show. Can you tell everybody, like why this
has fascinated so many people? They're all focused in on
this what's going on?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So the stories are so divergent, and obviously only one
side can be true, and this is one of those
things where there are undeniably strong indicators on both sides. Now, look,
I incline heavily towards the law enforcement side of things.
The idea that something like five different agencies and well
into double figures all colluded to try to frame this woman,
(20:38):
I find preposterous. And now apparently that conspiracy has grown
to include the forensics team that dumped the phone of
a woman named Jen McCabe, who's the prime witness. So
that is kind of the beauty of the defense of
a police conspiracy because everything can come under that rubric,
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and so as the prosecution presents its evidence, the implication
on the defense side is these people have all been
co opted into some sort of a police conspiracy. But
that is something that you only need one juror to entertain.
For Karen Reid to this time around. She remember she
was tried once already and the jury hung. You only
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need one to have either beyond a reasonable doubt questions
to hang the jury, or if you can get all
twelve to have the reasonable doubt, you have an acquittal.
So despite the fact that there is some really compelling
evidence in my mind and that should likely hold sway here,
there is this what happened?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm not sure that everybody listening knows just the what
are the basic facts of the case of this paren
Reid trial, because I know in the true crime world
everyone's watching this, they're fastening. There's a network series I
think out on this right now. What happened?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, there's several Oh all right, So she comes back
from drinking at a bar with her boyfriend. They're not living,
but they practically live together, etc. And they go to
a house party after they're out at this bar with
a bunch of people, and they're invited back to this
house party, and a lot of the same people are
at the house party as we're at the bar. That's
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where the stories diverge. He claims that he went in
the house, never to be seen alive again by her,
and that in the house, something happened and he was
dumped on the lawn to expire from blunt force's trauma
and hypothermia. On the prosecution side, they say that she
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let him out of the car to go into the house.
They were having an argument. She reversed into him, hit him,
he fell backwards, bumped his head on the curb. It
was the night of a historic blizzard in New England.
This is all happening in Massachusetts, and then she leaves
the scene. Now that from there, that's the basic facts
of the two sides of things, and that's with a
(23:00):
story diverge. And one of the things that emerges when
you tease it out is, even under the fact pattern
that the prosecution is a legend, can you get to
the point that it is an intentional murder? And a
lot of people feel the question becomes was the case overcharged?
Because she's charged with murder two intentional murder and then
(23:21):
manslaughter and then leaving the scene charge. So those are
the two sides of things, and there are strong indicators
on both sides.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
What's the motivation why?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I mean, she was angry at him, but is this
a couple that had a history of domestic violence?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm like Buck, I have not followed these cases. Sometimes
I get super fascinated by them. I bet a lot
of our audience is very well informed. I've bet a
lot of them also have not been following this. You
laid out the two different arguments, But what was the
motive to precipitate the argument in general? What was their relationship?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Why would something like I think most people would say, hey,
getting in a fight and all betting. There was a
lot of alcohol involved, which makes it more difficult to
know anybody who has ever been outside in cold weather.
That's one of the dangers when you drink is you
don't feel the cold in the same way. And if
she's driving and she's been consuming alcohol, that certainly can
impact things. How would we assess that?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So certainly they were drinking. The video they pulled from
the night in the bar and they've been at another
bar first has her drinking about nine drinks. They were
all drinking a lot, There's no doubt about that. And
in fact, she has nine drinks with sidecars. In other words,
of nine.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Drinks that I've seen her picture, she weighs like one
hundred and twenty pounds. I mean, we're not talking about
nine drinks for like a three hundred and fifty pound guy.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's right. And then she drives. She's the one who's driving, remember,
and all this comes into play because it damages potentially
her recollections of what occurred. So they're all banged up.
There's no toys about that. They drive to the house party.
She's never been to the house before they they get there. Now, look,
there's no in Disha of any domestic violence in the past.
But you raise a really salient question because what is
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there is after she lets him out of the car
under either fact pattern, when they dump his phone, they
get voicemails from her to him, and she is screaming
at him. And there's something like fifty sixty calls from
her over the next couple of hours where she is screaming, cursing, Adam,
yelling at him. Is why that matters. Sure, it indicates
that the relationship was praying, they'd only been together a
(25:27):
couple of years, etc. But what it also indicates to
me is that she thought he was alive. She's leaving
him these messages. She does sound to me like she's acting.
So if she's yelling at him, she thinks he's alive,
she thinks he's going to get these messages. Well, then
this to me undermines the idea that the murder was intentional.
And so that's why a lot of people do feel
(25:48):
like the case maybe it was overcharged, and that the
manslaughter charge that is an intent to injure results in death,
that might have been a more reasonable top charge.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Not to mention, if she's that drunk and driving a car,
she may be reckless to your point, but the intent
of committing a murder, she might not have even been
capable of it, right because she might be engaging in
reckless behavior. But also she's so drunk she might not
have been able to even understand exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So generally in the law, the idea that you were
incapacitated due to your own actions. You were drinking, you
were on drugs, et cetera is not going to be
a defense. Where it can sometimes come in is under
a diminished capacity calculus in the sentencing phase. So you know,
we'd have to see if you know that has any
impact on the way this goes with the judge and
(26:41):
so forth, if it gets that far. But at this
point in the proceedings. The key witnesses have already in
my mind, taken the stand. The prosecution really front loaded
things and that is the and you know, Buck, you're
well familiar with this. We were doing this when you
were at the PD. The forensic digital work on the
phones involved here in addition to the phone stuff I
(27:04):
just talked about from one of the witnesses, one man
Jen McCabe, who's been testifying they dumped her phone at
two twenty seven. The original allegation was that Jen mccab
googled how long to die in the cold. If that
happened to two twenty seven, Karen Reid has got to
get off because the body's not found till oh six
hundred six o'clock actually about six twenty. However, the firm
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that dumped the phone, firm called Celebrate, which Buck and
I worked with. We did all kinds of work with them.
It's an Israeli firm, the top of the food chain
when it comes to digital forensics. They now have had
to come back and cop to the fact that their
software didn't really get it right. And this time around
it's probably the most compelling prosecution witness who now says
(27:50):
that search was done by Jen McCabe at six twenty three.
If that's the case, it happened after the body was found,
and then Jen McCain took the stand and said, yes,
that's exactly what happened. And in fact, I did that
search because Karen Reid asked me to do it at
the scene when we found a body. So if you
believe Jen McCabe and the Google forensics guy, it's not Google,
(28:12):
but it was a Google search. If you believe to
celebrate guy, then you really got to come out and
saying to yourself, Karen Reid's been lying about this and
it looks bad for her.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
All Right, I'm sold. I'm watching Paul Morrow's new show,
Karen Reid Retrial Live. My wife, I think is going
to be She likes the true crime stuff. She's gonna
love this, so we're going have to check this out.
It's on Fox Nation, Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It is on Fox Nation Live today starting it through.
We got an all star cast coming in. It's not
just me, I'm just the host. I'm the goalie. But
we're gonna be doing it every week Friday at three,
recapping this case as long as it goes on, and
a lot of drama coming.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Oh, that's great, that's gonna be coming up then right
after we finished here, so folks can go tune right
in at three eastern on Fox Nation if I could, Paul,
I want to switch gears for a second and draw
upon your extensive NYPD experience. You know, we had Steven
Miller on before, who's a senior White House You know,
Steve Miller is a senior White House guy works a
lot of the immigrant on the immigration piece. He was
talking about getting more cooperation from local law enforcement on
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immigration issues for federal law enforcement. Can you lay out
you know, we worked in a place where because it's terrorism, FBI,
US marshalls, NYPD, everybody's trying to work together for the
same mission on immigration. That is not the case, right.
Can you give everyone some census to what some of
the rules are, what some of the walls that are
(29:34):
implemented by the mayor, the governor, et cetera, so that
NYPD can and can't what can they do, what can
they not do when it comes to helping ice.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, So all of this started under the previous mayor,
who was not a disaster for this city, a guy
named Doblasio and he put through two pieces of legislation
in conjunction with the City Council making New York City
a sanctuary city. And that's really the salient thing. We're
also a sanctuary state, but nypedia City employees, and that's
what applies now. The out even in this legislation, the
(30:09):
out is that if you are a member of a
task force, a federal task force, well then you're federalized
and you can do immigration enforcement. You can look into
a person's immigration status, and that can be a lever
that you use as part of a criminal case. And
that's why, Buck, when you and I were in the
task force. Now, those laws were not in place yet,
but even had they been, we would have been carved
(30:32):
out of it as members of a task force. If
you're not a member of the task force. Now it
becomes a policy and law issue, sort of ping pong game.
The policy issue is as follows, they won't ut a
detainer's now a detainer is not in order from a judge.
That is something that essentially Ice says, we conjured this.
We need a detainer. He's in jail. We need you
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to hang on to him for a couple of days.
So we can go get them, and essentially the local
jurisdictions in sanctuary cities say no, we're not gonna do that.
They probably can't get away with that even if we
go forward and run all the legal traps on it,
because it's a separate sovereign state, the federal, etc. We
have more trouble. And we're seeing this come to a
(31:14):
head now in the case in Milwaukee. Is this judge
who tried to hide this guy and slip them out
the back door? Why because Ice had a warrant, and
it doesn't matter that it was not from a judge.
She tried to hang her hat on that. This is
not a judicial warrant. This is an administrative warrants. Some
federal agencies can issue their own warrants. This was an
arrest warrant, period, and the story the guy was amenable
to deportation, They came with the proper PaperWorks. She tried
(31:37):
to slide them out of the door. That's why that
case is so important because ICE can issue administrative warrants
all day long. And if the Feds win that case,
which I think they're gonna, you're gonna now put in
you're going to compromize the idea that the ICE warrants,
the administrative warrants have the force of law and judges
(31:57):
you can't get in a way. So now Ice knows
a body's gonna be because these guys all get locked up.
You know that buck Dale commit robberies, etc. So now
you know where they're gonna be. They're gonna be in
state court. They got to go in front of a judge.
You wait in the hallway, just like these guys were doing.
You know, they didn't budge into her courtroom. This was
all ego. She didn't want them in her building. In
the sudd of nonsense. You don't own the building. It's
(32:17):
a pro public building. They didn't go into her courthouse.
They waited in the hallway, which is what Warren cops
do all the time. Now Ice can wait in the
hallway when they know these guys are gonna be there,
they come out boom, You got them. Nobody can get
in the way, and out they go. And this is
crucial to the worst first paradigm that the Trump administration
wants to put into place. I think they win this one,
(32:38):
and god speed to them, because they should.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Paul Morrow, everybody go check out Karen Reid retrial Live
coming up here in just a few minutes on Fox Nation.
Inspect Tomorrow always an honors. Come back and talk to
us again soon.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, anytime, You guys are the best. Love it.
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You get your podcasts. You guys know, I live in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Buck just ducked out by the way for the last
couple of minutes of the show, but I saw this.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
He'll be back Monday.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Cheryl Crowe, who frankly had a lot of music that
I liked back in the day, she said that she
struggles living in a red state like Tennessee. Calls her
congress members every single morning, and this is in Variety.
She lives here in Nashville, and she said she's uncomfortable
(34:41):
with the state as a whole because of its conservative
leadership and quote, Tennessee is a hard place for me.
I struggle. I call my representatives every single morning. Andy
Ogle's really good guy. Marsha Blackburn, you heard her here
on the show. They hear from me every day because
we have to stand up and be vocal and fight
for the future for our kids. This is crazy talk,
(35:07):
and I sometimes think that people like Cheryl Crow are
going to move here to the state of Tennessee and
they're going to try and take over what I consider
to be one of the best places to live in America.
And one of our talkbacks wanted to weigh in on this,
and that was, let's see CC from Colorado. Paul certainly
(35:32):
understands that because I know a lot of y'all living
in Colorado used to live in a sane state and
then a lot of crazy people moved in and now
your state has some crazy politics.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But here's CEC.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Plan is for you. I wanted to see you get
your take on Cheryl Crow read an article on Fox
Newsday today that she's moved to she's living in Tennessee now,
and she's complaining about the policies and all the Trump
supartners she has to live amongst.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I just wanted to get your take.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
On it on a see what you say about him.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Have a good beginning, you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So I'm cautiously optimistic because I know a lot of
you out there in Texas or Florida, or Georgia or Tennessee,
places where people have North Carolina, South Carolina, in the
South where lots of people have moved in. I talk
about this quite a lot, including with Marsha Blackburn ANDed
with Andy Ogles. The data reflects that these states are
actually getting redder, that the people who are moving in
(36:21):
fleeing from a Chicago from a New York City. Buck
is a refugee now lives in Florida, California. People are
moving here for the politics, not in spite of the politics.
And I think that's why COVID has created red Redder,
and I think the power and influence and significance of
red states only going to continue to grow. We love
you guys, have fabulous weekends. Enjoy the Kentucky Derby. We'll
(36:45):
be back with all of you Monday
Welcome back in final hour of the week. We appreciate
all of you who've spent fourteen hours with us so far.
Maybe you have not been able to we would encourage
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of the political, social, culture arenas, and so we appreciate
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you can listen at clayanbuck dot com. We bring in
(00:41):
now our friend from Fox News, Joe Kanca. Who is Joe?
Are you a Knicks fan?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh that's a shame, because Buck grew up a Knicks fan.
And I was going to give you a little bit
of praise because the Knicks finally won a playoff series
last night, and they did so an exciting fact, Jaywen
Buck Brunson Crossover draining a three, and so I thought
maybe you were a Knicks fan too.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, we'll skip that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It is a big week for you, however, because you've
got a brand new book out and it's about Trump's
greatest political comeback ever. And I know that it's been
six months ish since the election day itself, but it's
still kind of remarkable history, I think. And you're writing
a version of history with this first kind of draft
(01:29):
of history because it's still so current. History's going to
have a hell of a story to tell in the
twenty twenty four election for a long time to come.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think it was the craziest time we've ever seen
guys in any campaign ever. I mean, there's one point,
Clay Buck June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, that debate
in Atlanta, I was there at Georgia Tech, and we
all saw Joe Biden's brain turned applesauce. The media was shocked.
Democrats for shocks. You guys have been talking about his
cognitive decline on this show for many years. I have
(01:59):
as well, so it wasn't surprised to us. But then
think about what happens after that July eleventh, Joe Biden
says that we need to put Trump in a bullseye
unquote right. And then two days later Butler, Pennsylvania, somehow
a twenty year old kid is able to hide a
high powered rifle next to the one building that has
perfect line of sight to Donald Trump. He's then able
(02:21):
to get up on the building because nobody decided to
secure it. They had some personnel inside of it, which
does nothing. But there that kid is right up on
the building. And if Donald Trump doesn't turn his head
hard to the right to read a chart that he
had never read before in a rally, then we're having
a much different conversation right now. And then July fifteenth,
there he is at the RNC with a big bandage
on his ear. He chooses jd Vance, which not a
(02:41):
lot of people expected. Six days later, Joe Biden drops
out of the race, and a day or two later,
pretty much the Democratic Party consolidated around Kamala Harris. So
if you just look at that twenty four day stretch alone,
it's never going to get any nutier than that. And
yet they thought Kamala Harris was going to be able
to pull this out at the last second.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, I remember there, Do you remember, Joe?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I know you do, because you wrote the book about it,
and also you're Joe and you cover this too.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
But uh, when they.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Had that, I think it was about two weeks, maybe
in August or all of a sudden it was, oh,
look at Kamala's numbers, She's the greatest.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And I got nervous, Box stayed strong. I was a
little bit nervous, I'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I actually that was when I made the call that
Trump would win by more than he beat Hillary by,
which in August of twenty twenty four felt like a
little bit of a little bit of a crazy thing
to say. But now, of course, looks great in retrospect.
But do you think any of them actually believed it,
Joe when it came to Kamala or did they just
have no choice and they knew it. It was like
Hope casting right. And it was a mirage because she
(03:45):
was doing these rallies and you saw the big crowds
in the enthusiasm and Brat's summer and she's bringing joy
back to the campaign. But she wasn't doing any interviews
during that time. Remember July twenty third or so, she
became the nominee in essence, and then she didn't do
an interview when until September, like they wouldn't even let
her go on the view or MSNBC, so she was,
you know, the prompter candidate and read the same speeches
(04:08):
over and over again and talked about how she worked
at a McDonald's, which of course never happened. What I
knew that Trump was going to win was the teamsters
had these internal polls that they put out, and one
when he was up against Joe Biden, that being Trump
bidens up by ten points because he's always portrayed himself
as a very pro union guy. Kamala then gets installed
Soviet style and they do another poll among the rank
(04:29):
and file teamsters and Trump is up by thirty. You're like, wow,
that's a forty point friggin swing. And then Trump's gaining
Black vote and he's gaining Latino votes, and you're thinking,
who's left to vote for Kamala Harris exactly. I mean
the childless cat ladies. I mean, that was basically all
that was left over.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's so many different angles.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And I got your book, and I appreciate you you
sending it out, and I'm looking forward to checking it
out in general. But this thing of suddenly pivoting and
going after people that they claimed were phenomenal. I don't
know if you've seen this today, but New York magazine
has a huge cover story where they say, and I'm
(05:07):
reading from the teas from New York Magazine, it's about
John Fetterman, Pennsylvania Center senator. Former current staffers paint a
picture of an erratic senator who's become almost impossible to
work for and whose mental health situation is more serious
and complicated than previously reported. It's become harder to tell
whether or not he can even do the job, and
(05:30):
it ends with they worry he may present a danger
to the Democrat Party and maybe even to himself if
he's not pro Israel. Is this story ever written, in
your opinion, Joe.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
If he didn't go to mar A Lago to meet
with Trump? Would it be ever written if you didn't
say that we need much stronger border security, like things
that Democrats have a real problem saying yeah, all these things.
If I'm John Fetterman, I say Democratic Party, screw all right,
I'm out. I'll go caucus with Republicans now. If you
don't want me, that's fine. Because this was clearly a
plant and the fact that everybody cheered on John Fetterman
(06:05):
in twenty twenty two when he ran against doctor Oz
from the Pennsylvania Senate seat while he literally needed like
close captioning in order to like do interviews. He couldn't
do small talk. Oh no, that's ableism. You guys can't
attack him from because he had a heart attack. And now,
of course they're trying to drive him out because he's
the one Democrat that I could see at this point
that is making common sense arguments and that's a big
no no in the Party of Crazy. We're speaking of
(06:26):
Joe Conca Fox News and of course his book out
this week, the greatest comeback ever Inside Trump's Big Beautiful Campaign,
probably the biggest, the most beautiful of all campaigns all time.
And Joe, what happens now? You know, I know you've
covered the media a lot. You're a media guy who
covers media. You covered them for many years. And for example,
(06:49):
we have discussed on this show that there's another book
that will be coming out next month which we don't
have to give the title of, not that we didn't
even know the title, but where Jake Tapper of CNN
has team up with a Axios reporter or political Alex tos. Yeah,
to write a book about the Biden dementia cover up?
What is the possible rationale to be in the Democrat
(07:13):
aligned media and writing a book now about the Biden
dementia cover up? If you weren't walking around wearing a
bright orange T shirt saying, guys are our man has dementia?
He can't be president anymore? When it mattered, like, what's
the game plan here? The game plan is three letters
buck c why A. They're going to pretend that they
(07:35):
actually were covering this and covering it in a tough way.
You could probably find the SoundBite. It's from twenty twenty.
Laura Trump is on CNN with Jake Tapper and she
says that she believes that Joe Biden is going through
a cognitive decline, which was obvious even during that campaign,
and Tapper just scolds her, says, no, it's a stutter. Oh,
you don't have any proof of that. We don't like
conspiracy theories on this network. And you're like, oh, boy,
(07:58):
so you know pain is temporary, but film is forever.
So please, but let's play that clip as much as
possible on this show. Because for Jake Tapper now to
turn around then talk about how the media missed the
story about Joe Biden's cognitive decline. Alex Thompson, who wrote
this with him, kept saying this at the White House
Correspondents Center, that reporters missed the story, that they were
deceived by the White House. No, there's no story to miss.
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If you had eyes, ears, sobriety and sanity, you could
see Joe Biden shaking hands with the air after he
finished his speech. You could see you to know how
to get off a stage after doing it for fifty years.
You could see he's like the kid from the sixth Sense,
having conversations with dead people, in this case, like dead leaders.
You don't need to be told by a White House
source that Joe Biden's having problems. You just needed to
(08:41):
observe him five minutes outside of a teleprompter, where he
was a human chernobyl when speaking outside of one.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Where did democrats go from here? You're writing the book
about the greatest political comeback. To be fair, if you
had been on with us in May of twenty twenty
one and you had said, hey, guys, Trump's gonna win
it lnslide victory in November twenty twenty four. I don't
think it's going to be close. A lot of people
would have said that's a bold prediction. I wouldn't have
bought onto it then. Obviously we're now in May of
(09:10):
twenty twenty five. It doesn't feel like Democrats have any
future at all.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Bluck. I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
CBS News has a big expose up about Kamala Harris.
They say she's not sure what she's gonna do, but
she her options are she may do nothing at all,
she may run for governor, or she may run for president.
So they have an entire feature where they say she
could do anything. Where does Kamala go from here? She's
the defeated candidate. It's May twenty twenty five. Is her
(09:39):
career over or not? And who are the Democrats?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Do you buye?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Smith?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Do you think there's any outsiders? Who are the Democrats
that might emerge as we get closer to.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Twenty twenty eight? Okay, Clay, So if we're going to
apply logic here, then Democrats would be wise to nominate
Andy Vasher Kentucky governor. I know he's a bit vanilla.
I know he's boring, and you need to have a
performative aspect to every campaign. We saw with Obama, we
saw it with Trump. If Biden doesn't count because that
was COVID and that that was like the bubble year
when the Lakers won the championship. I can't even count that, right,
(10:11):
That wasn't a normal thing.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let me let me pause here for a sec. Andy
Basheer is the biggest pussy willow on the planet.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I want.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I have to add willow. I hope they nominate him.
He is the most milk toast, complete loser with no
spine whatsoever. He would get obliterated, but he might be
their pick. Sorry, I just have to put that in there.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
This guy, I hate to say it because he went
to Vanderbilt or both the bumps on the same school,
but he's a total loser with no spont Wow. Okay,
I wanted to go pussy Willow, but I wasn't sure
if the SEC would have like that problem with that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So you have to add the willow. The willis the
whole thing. Yeah, no, I totally agree, blank Willow. That
was from the Howard Stern movie Let's see so. But
but my my mild retort would be that he is
at sixty eight percent approval in a red state like Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So I don't believe it.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't believe Yeah, okay, yeah, good, I liked I
like when Tennessee sticks up for Kentucky on this one.
Clay is like, you know what, I'm naughty. I'm not
gonna throw Kentucky under the bus and believe it's seventy
percent of them actually like their governor. Yes, that's great,
but you're right about twenty twenty one. I never would
have predicted that Trump would be sitting where he is today.
I was on board with Ron DeSantis. I was publicly
(11:23):
on board with Ron de Santis. I thought that he
was Trump without the baggage, without the ninety four felony accounts,
without not a hostile media, but not as hostile the media.
But it probably would have happened anyway. But the way
he was running Florida, he wins by eighteen points in
twenty twenty two, and I go down there to do
a speech. It was in Naples, Florida, and there's maybe
two two hundred and fifty people there, and I did
a straw poll, like who would you like to be
(11:43):
the nominee on the Republican side, And I thought that
DeSantis would get half the votes because he just did
so well in that election. And DeSantis maybe got ten percent.
Nicki Haley got like one percent, and the other ninety
basically went to Donald Trump. I'm a boy, no one's
going anywhere. They are loyal to this man. And that's
when I started to change my mind about Trump. As
for her, kammal or her career is over. I don't
even think she could win in California. You remember in
(12:04):
twenty nineteen when she ran for president, she dropped out
before the California primary because she was pulling at sixth
place in California, her own state, behind Andrew friggin Yang.
I mean, so, I don't know. After this election, I
think a lot of people saw that she's all foam
and no beer, all bubbles and no bath. And this
is somebody that if they nominate her, they could lose
fifty one states, which is mathematically impossible, but I think
(12:26):
it would be that bad. Then the other alternative is AOC,
which she has the energy. I guess she has a
social media following, She has never passed one piece of
legislation since she's been in Congress. Sure, but that doesn't matter,
I guess in this world. So I could see AOC
But then again, she could really win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia,
North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada. I can't see her doing well
in those states. So I don't know where Democrats go here.
(12:48):
It's probably someone we're not even talking about, like a
Mark Cuban or somebody like that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
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to check it out. Give us the title one more
time for people as they roll into the weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, I'll give you the title that I wanted, all right,
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the cover.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So go figure.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So yeah, the greatest comeback ever. Thank you guys. It's
a bestseller. Awesome, Joe Kanca. You'll see them on Fox News.
You can find them in your bookstores. Best comeback to ever.
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Speaker 3 (15:09):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got Paul Morrow
of Fox News formerly the NYPD joining us here in
a few minutes to talk about the series he's launching
on Fox Business. And also when I ask him about
the law enforcement piece, you know, Stephen Miller said something
really interesting about what's going to happen with the deportations,
which is he said state and local law enforcement are
going to get involved very interesting Clay, because up to
(15:32):
this point, in a lot of places, state and local
law enforcement are barred from assisting federal immigration authorities by
the state and local authorities themselves by elected officials. Right,
So the Mayor of New York essentially can say NYPD
can't help immigrations and customs enforcement. But there may be
(15:53):
some leverage to get that changed. Last week, I was
with Tom Homan and he said, I think I can
say it now. Wait two weeks, We're going to have
some big news for you. I think they're going to
go after some of these sanctuary city laws and some
of these sanctuary city politicians and say, hey, if you
(16:15):
are helping to conceal illegal immigrants, you're violating federal law
and we're going to start to come after you. And
that's going to set off some fireworks, and as Steven
Miller said, it will also then force the courts to say, hey,
does the president have the ability to do this? Tom
Holman's rock star dude.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That guy's such an amazing guy.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So Steve, it's funny we actually get home in Stephen Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I mean, these are.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The krem de la krem of the Trump White House
and the Trump inner Circle on policy and they're doing
great things for the American people. We got a funny
talk back here, Bob from Beaumont. This is BB and Beaumont,
Texas listens on a five sixty KLV. I play it, hey,
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And she's a hot chick. So you know, there is.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Most important one do work most importantly, Bob, congrats on
having a hot chick wife. And secondly, let's just say, Clay,
if someone's I'm gonna throw a little bit of a
flag on this. If someone's moving in with you, I
think that changes the calculation a little bit. Yeah, they
might want to help a little more.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And also they may not trust you to move their stuff.
I don't know right now, Laura, my wife is downstairs.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Buck.
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could be doing this weekend, she's trying to distinguish between
different palettes for the colors of the new chairs in
our house, and just looking at it gave me hives,
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I am Paul Morrow, former NYPD inspector, attorney and founder
of opsdesk dot org. Also formerly my boss and the
(19:10):
chain of command at the NYPD Intelligence Division. Paul, it's
going back fifteen years now. I'm getting old, my friend.
You know, I got to think back to these times now,
and I was I was just a young buck making
my way in the world. And I appreciated your your
steadfast leadership in the Intel Division, always doing a great job.
So thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
First and foremost of course, thank you for having me.
Fuck you haven't changed. I gotta tell you look the same, brother,
Thank you. That is true.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I definitely, I definitely do look the same. A little
more little hair, yeah, you know, the hair is still there.
I'm a lucky man. So you're launching, let's talk about
this for a second. If you're launching a new weekly
Fox Nation show, Karen Reid Retrial Live. So you know,
my wife is a little more into the true crime
stuff than I am, which I don't think think I'm
(20:00):
the only guy in America who's going to say that.
But the Karen Reid trial, we haven't talked about this
on the show. Can you tell everybody, like why this
has fascinated so many people? They're all focused in on
this what's going on?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So the stories are so divergent, and obviously only one
side can be true, and this is one of those
things where there are undeniably strong indicators on both sides. Now, look,
I incline heavily towards the law enforcement side of things.
The idea that something like five different agencies and well
into double figures all colluded to try to frame this woman,
(20:38):
I find preposterous. And now apparently that conspiracy has grown
to include the forensics team that dumped the phone of
a woman named Jen McCabe, who's the prime witness. So
that is kind of the beauty of the defense of
a police conspiracy because everything can come under that rubric,
(20:59):
and so as the prosecution presents its evidence, the implication
on the defense side is these people have all been
co opted into some sort of a police conspiracy. But
that is something that you only need one juror to entertain.
For Karen Reid to this time around. She remember she
was tried once already and the jury hung. You only
(21:21):
need one to have either beyond a reasonable doubt questions
to hang the jury, or if you can get all
twelve to have the reasonable doubt, you have an acquittal.
So despite the fact that there is some really compelling
evidence in my mind and that should likely hold sway here,
there is this what happened?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm not sure that everybody listening knows just the what
are the basic facts of the case of this paren
Reid trial, because I know in the true crime world
everyone's watching this, they're fastening. There's a network series I
think out on this right now. What happened?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, there's several Oh all right, So she comes back
from drinking at a bar with her boyfriend. They're not living,
but they practically live together, etc. And they go to
a house party after they're out at this bar with
a bunch of people, and they're invited back to this
house party, and a lot of the same people are
at the house party as we're at the bar. That's
(22:18):
where the stories diverge. He claims that he went in
the house, never to be seen alive again by her,
and that in the house, something happened and he was
dumped on the lawn to expire from blunt force's trauma
and hypothermia. On the prosecution side, they say that she
(22:39):
let him out of the car to go into the house.
They were having an argument. She reversed into him, hit him,
he fell backwards, bumped his head on the curb. It
was the night of a historic blizzard in New England.
This is all happening in Massachusetts, and then she leaves
the scene. Now that from there, that's the basic facts
of the two sides of things, and that's with a
(23:00):
story diverge. And one of the things that emerges when
you tease it out is, even under the fact pattern
that the prosecution is a legend, can you get to
the point that it is an intentional murder? And a
lot of people feel the question becomes was the case overcharged?
Because she's charged with murder two intentional murder and then
(23:21):
manslaughter and then leaving the scene charge. So those are
the two sides of things, and there are strong indicators
on both sides.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
What's the motivation why?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I mean, she was angry at him, but is this
a couple that had a history of domestic violence?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm like Buck, I have not followed these cases. Sometimes
I get super fascinated by them. I bet a lot
of our audience is very well informed. I've bet a
lot of them also have not been following this. You
laid out the two different arguments, But what was the
motive to precipitate the argument in general? What was their relationship?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Like?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Why would something like I think most people would say, hey,
getting in a fight and all betting. There was a
lot of alcohol involved, which makes it more difficult to
know anybody who has ever been outside in cold weather.
That's one of the dangers when you drink is you
don't feel the cold in the same way. And if
she's driving and she's been consuming alcohol, that certainly can
impact things. How would we assess that?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So certainly they were drinking. The video they pulled from
the night in the bar and they've been at another
bar first has her drinking about nine drinks. They were
all drinking a lot, There's no doubt about that. And
in fact, she has nine drinks with sidecars. In other words,
of nine.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Drinks that I've seen her picture, she weighs like one
hundred and twenty pounds. I mean, we're not talking about
nine drinks for like a three hundred and fifty pound guy.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's right. And then she drives. She's the one who's driving, remember,
and all this comes into play because it damages potentially
her recollections of what occurred. So they're all banged up.
There's no toys about that. They drive to the house party.
She's never been to the house before they they get there. Now, look,
there's no in Disha of any domestic violence in the past.
But you raise a really salient question because what is
(25:04):
there is after she lets him out of the car
under either fact pattern, when they dump his phone, they
get voicemails from her to him, and she is screaming
at him. And there's something like fifty sixty calls from
her over the next couple of hours where she is screaming, cursing, Adam,
yelling at him. Is why that matters. Sure, it indicates
that the relationship was praying, they'd only been together a
(25:27):
couple of years, etc. But what it also indicates to
me is that she thought he was alive. She's leaving
him these messages. She does sound to me like she's acting.
So if she's yelling at him, she thinks he's alive,
she thinks he's going to get these messages. Well, then
this to me undermines the idea that the murder was intentional.
And so that's why a lot of people do feel
(25:48):
like the case maybe it was overcharged, and that the
manslaughter charge that is an intent to injure results in death,
that might have been a more reasonable top charge.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Not to mention, if she's that drunk and driving a car,
she may be reckless to your point, but the intent
of committing a murder, she might not have even been
capable of it, right because she might be engaging in
reckless behavior. But also she's so drunk she might not
have been able to even understand exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So generally in the law, the idea that you were
incapacitated due to your own actions. You were drinking, you
were on drugs, et cetera is not going to be
a defense. Where it can sometimes come in is under
a diminished capacity calculus in the sentencing phase. So you know,
we'd have to see if you know that has any
impact on the way this goes with the judge and
(26:41):
so forth, if it gets that far. But at this
point in the proceedings. The key witnesses have already in
my mind, taken the stand. The prosecution really front loaded
things and that is the and you know, Buck, you're
well familiar with this. We were doing this when you
were at the PD. The forensic digital work on the
phones involved here in addition to the phone stuff I
(27:04):
just talked about from one of the witnesses, one man
Jen McCabe, who's been testifying they dumped her phone at
two twenty seven. The original allegation was that Jen mccab
googled how long to die in the cold. If that
happened to two twenty seven, Karen Reid has got to
get off because the body's not found till oh six
hundred six o'clock actually about six twenty. However, the firm
(27:28):
that dumped the phone, firm called Celebrate, which Buck and
I worked with. We did all kinds of work with them.
It's an Israeli firm, the top of the food chain
when it comes to digital forensics. They now have had
to come back and cop to the fact that their
software didn't really get it right. And this time around
it's probably the most compelling prosecution witness who now says
(27:50):
that search was done by Jen McCabe at six twenty three.
If that's the case, it happened after the body was found,
and then Jen McCain took the stand and said, yes,
that's exactly what happened. And in fact, I did that
search because Karen Reid asked me to do it at
the scene when we found a body. So if you
believe Jen McCabe and the Google forensics guy, it's not Google,
(28:12):
but it was a Google search. If you believe to
celebrate guy, then you really got to come out and
saying to yourself, Karen Reid's been lying about this and
it looks bad for her.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
All Right, I'm sold. I'm watching Paul Morrow's new show,
Karen Reid Retrial Live. My wife, I think is going
to be She likes the true crime stuff. She's gonna
love this, so we're going have to check this out.
It's on Fox Nation, Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It is on Fox Nation Live today starting it through.
We got an all star cast coming in. It's not
just me, I'm just the host. I'm the goalie. But
we're gonna be doing it every week Friday at three,
recapping this case as long as it goes on, and
a lot of drama coming.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Oh, that's great, that's gonna be coming up then right
after we finished here, so folks can go tune right
in at three eastern on Fox Nation if I could, Paul,
I want to switch gears for a second and draw
upon your extensive NYPD experience. You know, we had Steven
Miller on before, who's a senior White House You know,
Steve Miller is a senior White House guy works a
lot of the immigrant on the immigration piece. He was
talking about getting more cooperation from local law enforcement on
(29:12):
immigration issues for federal law enforcement. Can you lay out
you know, we worked in a place where because it's terrorism, FBI,
US marshalls, NYPD, everybody's trying to work together for the
same mission on immigration. That is not the case, right.
Can you give everyone some census to what some of
the rules are, what some of the walls that are
(29:34):
implemented by the mayor, the governor, et cetera, so that
NYPD can and can't what can they do, what can
they not do when it comes to helping ice.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, So all of this started under the previous mayor,
who was not a disaster for this city, a guy
named Doblasio and he put through two pieces of legislation
in conjunction with the City Council making New York City
a sanctuary city. And that's really the salient thing. We're
also a sanctuary state, but nypedia City employees, and that's
what applies now. The out even in this legislation, the
(30:09):
out is that if you are a member of a
task force, a federal task force, well then you're federalized
and you can do immigration enforcement. You can look into
a person's immigration status, and that can be a lever
that you use as part of a criminal case. And
that's why, Buck, when you and I were in the
task force. Now, those laws were not in place yet,
but even had they been, we would have been carved
(30:32):
out of it as members of a task force. If
you're not a member of the task force. Now it
becomes a policy and law issue, sort of ping pong game.
The policy issue is as follows, they won't ut a
detainer's now a detainer is not in order from a judge.
That is something that essentially Ice says, we conjured this.
We need a detainer. He's in jail. We need you
(30:54):
to hang on to him for a couple of days.
So we can go get them, and essentially the local
jurisdictions in sanctuary cities say no, we're not gonna do that.
They probably can't get away with that even if we
go forward and run all the legal traps on it,
because it's a separate sovereign state, the federal, etc. We
have more trouble. And we're seeing this come to a
(31:14):
head now in the case in Milwaukee. Is this judge
who tried to hide this guy and slip them out
the back door? Why because Ice had a warrant, and
it doesn't matter that it was not from a judge.
She tried to hang her hat on that. This is
not a judicial warrant. This is an administrative warrants. Some
federal agencies can issue their own warrants. This was an
arrest warrant, period, and the story the guy was amenable
to deportation, They came with the proper PaperWorks. She tried
(31:37):
to slide them out of the door. That's why that
case is so important because ICE can issue administrative warrants
all day long. And if the Feds win that case,
which I think they're gonna, you're gonna now put in
you're going to compromize the idea that the ICE warrants,
the administrative warrants have the force of law and judges
(31:57):
you can't get in a way. So now Ice knows
a body's gonna be because these guys all get locked up.
You know that buck Dale commit robberies, etc. So now
you know where they're gonna be. They're gonna be in
state court. They got to go in front of a judge.
You wait in the hallway, just like these guys were doing.
You know, they didn't budge into her courtroom. This was
all ego. She didn't want them in her building. In
the sudd of nonsense. You don't own the building. It's
(32:17):
a pro public building. They didn't go into her courthouse.
They waited in the hallway, which is what Warren cops
do all the time. Now Ice can wait in the
hallway when they know these guys are gonna be there,
they come out boom, You got them. Nobody can get
in the way, and out they go. And this is
crucial to the worst first paradigm that the Trump administration
wants to put into place. I think they win this one,
(32:38):
and god speed to them, because they should.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Paul Morrow, everybody go check out Karen Reid retrial Live
coming up here in just a few minutes on Fox Nation.
Inspect Tomorrow always an honors. Come back and talk to
us again soon.
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You get your podcasts. You guys know, I live in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Buck just ducked out by the way for the last
couple of minutes of the show, but I saw this.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
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Speaker 2 (34:17):
Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Cheryl Crowe, who frankly had a lot of music that
I liked back in the day, she said that she
struggles living in a red state like Tennessee. Calls her
congress members every single morning, and this is in Variety.
She lives here in Nashville, and she said she's uncomfortable
(34:41):
with the state as a whole because of its conservative
leadership and quote, Tennessee is a hard place for me.
I struggle. I call my representatives every single morning. Andy
Ogle's really good guy. Marsha Blackburn, you heard her here
on the show. They hear from me every day because
we have to stand up and be vocal and fight
for the future for our kids. This is crazy talk,
(35:07):
and I sometimes think that people like Cheryl Crow are
going to move here to the state of Tennessee and
they're going to try and take over what I consider
to be one of the best places to live in America.
And one of our talkbacks wanted to weigh in on this,
and that was, let's see CC from Colorado. Paul certainly
(35:32):
understands that because I know a lot of y'all living
in Colorado used to live in a sane state and
then a lot of crazy people moved in and now
your state has some crazy politics.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But here's CEC.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Plan is for you. I wanted to see you get
your take on Cheryl Crow read an article on Fox
Newsday today that she's moved to she's living in Tennessee now,
and she's complaining about the policies and all the Trump
supartners she has to live amongst.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I just wanted to get your take.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
On it on a see what you say about him.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Have a good beginning, you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So I'm cautiously optimistic because I know a lot of
you out there in Texas or Florida, or Georgia or Tennessee,
places where people have North Carolina, South Carolina, in the
South where lots of people have moved in. I talk
about this quite a lot, including with Marsha Blackburn ANDed
with Andy Ogles. The data reflects that these states are
actually getting redder, that the people who are moving in
(36:21):
fleeing from a Chicago from a New York City. Buck
is a refugee now lives in Florida, California. People are
moving here for the politics, not in spite of the politics.
And I think that's why COVID has created red Redder,
and I think the power and influence and significance of
red states only going to continue to grow. We love
you guys, have fabulous weekends. Enjoy the Kentucky Derby. We'll
(36:45):
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