March 18, 2025 • 35 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts cover a range of engaging topics, starting with an interview with West Virginia Governor Patrick Morrissey. Governor Morrissey discusses his dissatisfaction with West Virginia University being left out of the NCAA tournament and calls for greater transparency and accountability from the NCAA. He emphasizes the need for objective criteria in the selection process and highlights the importance of fair play in major sporting events. The hour also features an insightful interview with Josh Hammer, senior editor at large of Newsweek, about his new book, "Israel and Civilization: The Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West." Hammer discusses the end of the ceasefire in Israel and the renewed posture toward Hamas, emphasizing the critical role of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He also explores the broader implications of U.S.-Israel relations and the importance of a strong alliance between the two nations. Hammer's book delves into the historical and biblical foundations of Western civilization and argues for the continued support of Israel by both Jews and Christians. Additionally, Clay and Buck engage with listener feedback on various topics, including the logistics of maintaining a chicken coop and the debate over pickles on burgers. They address humorous and passionate responses from listeners, showcasing the show's interactive and relatable nature. The hosts also touch on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, responding to a listener's emotional plea for continued support for Ukraine and discussing the complexities of international relations and conflict resolution.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. Buck has already
filled out his bracket. I will fill mine out in
the next day or two and we will be posting
them up on clayanbuck dot com. We have a steake
dinner bet on the outcome of the bracket challenge. One
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man not very happy about the brackets. West Virginia Governor
Patrick Morrissey. You guys West Virginia, for those who don't know,
West Virginia Mountaineers left out of the NCUBA tournament and
Governor you are going to potentially be suing the nc
DOUBLEA over this. Thanks for coming on with us. What
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can you tell us about this story?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, a couple things first, So thank you so much
for having me on your program today. I thought West
Virginia being left out of the tournament was the ultimate
miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest level. And
so what we've asked to do is get to the
bottom of it and know just what happened. There's so
many suspicious things that have come up. The American public
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deserves to know about it. This is actually the NCAA
selection process involves Americans across the country. It's very important
here in West Virginia. We care a lot about WVU.
We don't have a pro team, so so much fan energy,
player energy, and quite frankly resources go in to building
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the Mountaineers up. And when you have a process where
you have an athletic director who skips out of the
room yet their reports about payments and centives that may
be in place, I think it's time that we have
more objective criteria. They say quad one wins really should
have mattered. Well, obviously that's not the case if wv
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left out. They say that they're trying to have a
fair process. But let's publicize the criteria and have this
be much more objective. It's not going to impact the
tournament this year, but as sure as heck, could make
it a lot better for the future to avoid these
kinds of outrageous decisions.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, So for people who don't know, a big controversy
is that North Carolina's athletic director sits on the committee.
The committee is apprized of many different athletic directors from
across the country. There's a conflict there they say when
they talk about North Carolina's contention or seating, that the
athletic director of North Carolina would recuse himself. Do you
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believe that that was on the up and up? Do
you think that it was fair? Do you think that
it was coincidental that North Carolina ended up being the
last team in?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Look, I think at a minimum, it smells a great deal. Right.
So part of the reason we ask for information and
we want to investigate this is we want to get
to the bottom of it, right, That's what the process
is all about. And so when I hear this, and
I hear the people jump out of the room at
the very end, and you know that North Carolina is
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the last team in and WU is the first team
that's out, you know, you start to say, wait a minute,
when are you jumping in and out? You're in there
the entire process, and there's not the transparency about what
factors really matter. So just to go through a few
of these details, imagine if you're WVU and you have
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one hundred and eleven bracketologists who are predicting using their
own models, that you're going to be in the tournament,
and then North Carolina twenty seven of the one hundred
and eleven are suggesting you're going to be in. You
look at the various ratings and you say, how does
this stuff happen? So here's what needs to happen for
the future. We need to make sure we have the
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better objective information. We're going to get it through the
investigation and trying to get all the facts. That's why
we need need the NC double A to step up
on this front.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Hey, Governor x Buck, I just have a quick question.
Is there some redress that you want on this or
do you just want transparency and accountability for what you
think is a very unfair outcome.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Look, I think that the NC double A I've found
over the years and I've been engaged with them on
a number of different topics. Sometimes they can be very arrogant,
and we saw that in the transfer eligibility rules. Some
of your listeners may know that I sued over that
with a number of other Attorneys general and we brought
that rule down. So I think the first thing you
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do is you have transparency and put a little more
to sunlight on the process. It's the best disinfectant, so
I said yesterday, Look, it's preliminary to talk about suing them.
I think what we want to focus on, let's get
to the bottom of it. But I will say this,
if the nc DOUBLEA doesn't act in a transparent manner,
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then they're going to lose a lot credibility nationally. To me,
that's the important part of the process. That's why a
governor gets involved, because a governor is standing up for
the state university in his state and ensuring that people
know this is a lot of money's at stake, a
lot of prides at stake, a lot of hard works
at state and it's got to change. But we've said, look,
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we're not going to talk about litigation until we get
to the other point. And I found that that's the
better approach. And that's why I'm just asking and pressing
the NCAA to respond to this, because if they don't,
it's clear they have something to hide.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All fifty states listen to this program right now. Everybody
in the state of West Virginia is saying, heck, yeah, governor,
you've got our back. Some people in the other forty
nine states who are not mountaineer fans, to be fair,
they're mountaineer fans everywhere it's a great university, great fan base.
Are saying, man, should in the political process anybody really
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get involved in who ends up in the Ends tournament.
I'm sure you've heard this already. Isn't there something else
for West Virginia's governor and elected officials to be concerned about?
How would you respond to that criticism?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, a couple of things. First of all, for all
those saying that there's some blowhards out there that talk
about this, but they don't know one, you can walk
and shoe gum at the same time. The second point,
I would say, if you want to effectuate change, you
actually have to do something. Do you think that if
anyone's saying that, do they think that it's acceptable to
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have something that smells so bad and no one's going
to address it? So maybe you shine a little spotlight
on it. And I know in the past by taking
this approach, we've caused change to happen. So we talked
about the transfer eligibility rule. You know, we know that
nil happened in the past because people spoke out, and
in West Virginia this is really a big deal that
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we take our sports seriously. We take w seriously. In fact,
We put a lot of resources invest in w every
single year, and when someone makes the cutter doesn't that matters.
But it's not that we're trying to say that we
deserve it more than others. What we're saying is when
the process is tainted, it calls into question what's going on.
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And we're a participant in the process. We're a grinded
out school, hard workers, and we're not asking for any
special treatment. We're just asking for the future. We need
the process to be a lot more clear. So if
you know that it's about quad win wins and great,
is it about ten palms? Hey? Great? Is it about
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net rankings? Or is it about an eye test? If
it's about an eye test, who is sitting in there
and are their potential conflicts of interest? How are those
processes raising? These are very reasonable things to raise, and
I'm not sure why people would be taking the opposite approach,
but it's important for anyone. You know, I'm a sports
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fan just like anyone else. I care about this stuff.
And you know, we're not talking about any extreme measures.
We're just drawing attention to something that matters for our state,
or frankly matters for a lot of American sports fans.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Governor, we appreciate the time. Will you still fill out
a bracket or are you boycotting the brackets?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Listen, I think that we're gonna fill out a bracket,
but I'm gonna tell you this, wu We're gonna get
ready for our comeback. And you watch next year our
basketball team with Coach DeVries, our football team with Rich Rod.
He always tells his players come with a whole, cold,
hard edge. That's what we're doing in West Virginia. We're
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speaking out against the efforts sometimes that these blue bloods
have and they try to keep us down. We're not
gonna let that happen.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Governor, we appreciate the time. Thank you, Governor Patrick Morsey
of West Virginia. Buck, was that all buy in law?
Did you have any idea that this controversy had arisen
as you prepare to fill out You already filled out
your whole bracket as you prepare for the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Clay, I was basically flipping a coin to fill up
my bracket yesterday. I have no idea and no idea
what you guys are talking about, and I just wish
all the best of the fans of WVU who feel
like they got the short.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
End of the stick on this one.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
All right, buck, We've got two listener talkbacks that I
want to play here. This is the wide range of
topics that we have had on the show. The first
one is from an unnamed listener in San Antonio, angry
at me for presuming that you had to have both
roosters and hens if you wanted to have eggs. Listen
(09:44):
to BB here boy, a couple of CURTI fall, can't
you You don't get a rooster if you want to
just have eggs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The only reason you get roosters because you want more chickens.
All right, So well I was, well, excuse use me, sir,
I will have you know that also a rooster provides
protection for the chickens against raccoons and foxes and other predators,
so it does not, in fact, just to make more chickens.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The city folk have access to the internet too, all.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Right, So here's the question. Do most people who have
hens not have a rooster? Because I would think that
you would have some protection and or want more egg
chicks to be able to be developed. Going for I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Again, my in laws, I mean, it's a little sad
they had. There was an incident. Yeah, there was an
incident where a raccoon got into the chicken coop and uh,
it was.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
It was rough. It gets messy real fast. You don't
realize how nasty those raccoons can be. Man, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It took out the hens. It was like a chicken
blender in there. Yeah it right, oh man, armageddon for
the chickens. All right, So there people wanted to come
after me over roosters. Now somebody's angry because not supportive
enough along with Ubuck of Ukraine and he's furious. This
is New York City listener on WR here he is.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You have no idea what's going on in Ukraine. Ukraine
is an innocent victim of Putin's aggression and desire to
rebuild the Soviet Empire. They are simply defending their land.
Wouldn't you do the same thing? What if Tennessee were
invaded or Florida? Would you just lay down and say, oh,
we have too many people dying, let's just give it up.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Why not screw you?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Screw us?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
All right?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, so my question would just be what is his answer,
like we should we actually fight the war ourselves.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, no, I mean nothing that we have said.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I've never said that Putin wasn't the aggressor we say
he's a bad guy. But see, this is when people
make this an emotional argument instead of a national security argument.
Do you have pathways here? You can continue to fund
a Ukrainian war machine that is run out of people,
which is true, and not going to gain back any
more territory than it currently has except through negotiation, which
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is true, or you know you can I don't know,
you can continue on the current pathway. You know, you
can either negotiate an end of this thing, you can
continue doing what it's doing. The fact that there are
bad people who have done bad things here doesn't change
the realities on the ground of what they face. I
don't know why I've never I mean anyway, some people
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they get very op.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, this isn't I just want to play it
because it is like this idea, my argument, and we
should Native Americans still, Like should Native Americans be running
around doing suicide bombings because we took their land?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean think about that for a second, right, I mean,
at what point, at some point you've lost right, at
some point you can't win, So what do you want
to do unless you're going to make the case that
Ukraine can beat Russia, which is insane. You have to
have this thing end and you have to negotiate an
end to the conflict. Otherwise you're just letting people die.
And it's very easy for people sitting wherever they are
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in this country to say, yeah, you know, it's the
brave resistance. People are being chewed up by machine gun
fire and artillery rounds every day for what that's the
argument I don't really get. I get the argument of
O Putin's a bad guy, okay, but the war cannot
be won by Ukraine. I haven't heard anybody say Ukraine's
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going to win the war. If you accept that as
a reality, even left wingers are like, yeah, they're not
going to win the war.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Then what is your solution? That they just continue to
fight sort of forever, which honestly probably benefits Russia because
they're just going to inexorably be slowly advancing across Ukraine's territory.
There isn't a counter argument to let's end the war.
And I understand, like screw, so you're you know, got angry,
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emotional responses. But I haven't heard a rational, coherent, not
emotional response about how to end this war. If you
disagree with us of the opinion that there needs to
be a ceasefire and a broker piece that will involve
Russia getting some land. Sometimes bad guys and they were
the aggressor, they were the bad guy benefit from war.
(14:16):
That's not unheard of. That, in fact, is much of
the history of the world. So eventually this thing has
to end.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, I mean, look at all the countries that fell
to communism that shouldn't have but that did through violence.
And you know, eventually that's just where things are.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
We go. Okay, sorry, you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Know China's you know now one Jenkai Czech lost.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I mean, things happen.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I don't know what to say, Like, you have to
deal with the reality as it stands before you and
I come back to the same thing, which is, okay,
what's the what's the better plan? The better plan is
to just keep funding this thing, so we have to
keep writing checks for this thing forever.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yes, that's according to our unnamed listener Wor who says
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
All right, we got talkbacks and vip emails flooding the
zone here on a bunch of things. Chickens, burgers, so much, yeah,
so many things, you know, musicals.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
This is uh, this is our listener.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
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Speaker 4 (16:56):
I love pickles on my burgers.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
What's the matter with you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, well, rita different strokes for different folks. You know,
I think that pickles are one of those things that
should be left off burgers unless you opt. In some
places they just put the pickles on the burgers, And
I don't want some weird vegetable. That's throw a little
slimy vegetable thrown on top of my delicious burger.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Clay, Oh, pickles are amazing. I think it's the perfect
condiment to kind of just set off the Chick fil
a sandwich. I think you're a communist if you take
the pickle off the Chick fil a sandwich or the hamburger.
I was it Rita who called in. I'm with her.
She's a stute woman who understands great cuisine. VIP email
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(17:44):
I hate noise and people who make noise. Well done,
sir two. I understand that pickles on burgers are the
devil's work. See Clay, They're sanity out there. It's a
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The Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of
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I wanted to get your take first if I could,
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Speaker 3 (19:30):
The end of the ceasefire in Israel and the new
posture or the renewed posture perhaps toward Hamas.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Well, but great to join you in Thanks for the
book support. Look to me, the ball is clearly in
benjaminten Yahu's court, Buck, I mean Donald Trump is all
in for us as relations. He's used the rhetoric of
give them hell to pay. He's made it very clear
that he and his cabinet are going to stand shoulder
to shoulder with the Israeli governments when it comes to diplomacy,
when it comes to the military, when it comes to
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trying to eradicate the entirety of the Hamas political and
military cancer from the Gaza's trip. So for some weeks now, Buck,
I've been saying the ball is in Antityahu's court. I
mean Biebe has basically lived his entire adult life for
moments just like this. He has led his entire adult
life to wait for the opportunity to go in and
do what needs to be done, so to speak, whether
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it's in Gaza, whether it's in Lebanon and has Ballah
he did that partially last summer actually, or whether it's
really the grand threat of all in the region, which
of course is the Islamus regime in Tehran. So I'm
not surprised that the ceasefire broke. Frankly, Hamas only has
it self to blame. I mean, with a medieval Islamis
death cult, they had any number of opportunities to avoid
(20:44):
this outcome. They completely brought this upon themselves, and frankly,
this is a necessary thing that has to happen or
if there to be any resolution whatsoever in the region.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Congrats on the book. I know all the work that
goes into that. I hope you're having a good time
with it officially being out. What is the ultimate goal
do you think when it comes to Gaza? What should happen,
what's likely to happen, what does history suggest should happen.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
It looks like Donald Trump has a certain vision in mind.
I mean, he wants the United States to take over Gaza.
I will I'll be honest with you, that was not
on my personal bingo card. I'm not sure that, frankly,
that it was on Bibi Netsa Nyahu's bingo card. I mean,
you look at his facial expression at the joint press
conference when Donald Trump announced that to the world. It
was quite humorous to look at the way that Netanyahu
and the Israeli officials in the room reacted to that.
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I'm open to being persuaded of that. That's not entirely
what my first guest would have been, Buck. Look in
my heart of hearts, I would love to see the
Arabs there find a permanent home in Jordan or Egypt,
which seems to be Donald Trump's preferred approach, and for
Israel to go ahead and take it over. Realistically speaking,
I think the most likely way that this ultimately ends
is you get some sort of consortium of the more
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moderate Sunni Arab states, the Saudis and Moradis, Bahraini's, maybe
the Egyptians if the willing to play ball, and they
kind of go in there jointly together and try to
make sure that Islamism and jihadism will not be the
way forward there. But that's going to entail some sort
of American Israeli or some sort of joint presence there
even with that, because frankly, even these guys, the more
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moderate forces, I'm not sure just how much we can
trust them for the mid.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
To long term.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Josh. For people who don't know, I was over in
Israel in December, the amount of Immen's popularity for Trump
in Israel is off the charts. In fact, Trump, if
they Israel had had a vote in the American presidential election,
would have won like he did in West Virginia or Wyoming.
What do you think Israeli's believe when they see that
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Trump is being attacked by Democrats here as Hitler.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Well, Clay, I'll tell you exactly what Israelis believed, because
I happened to be married to one, and I happened
to have in laws here in Florida where I live.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Who are them?
Speaker 7 (22:56):
And I taught them every day. The Israeli people are
about the trumpiest people in the basically the entire world.
I'm not sure if there's a single foreign country where
Trump has a higher approval rating than the state of
Israel for a very clear and compelling reasons, which is
that Donald Trump is the most pro Israel. Frankly, he's
the most pro Jewish president in American history there. And
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you know, this is something of an issue that I
think a lot of people here, even on the Rights
don't fully understand, is how can American Jews vote disproportionately
so much for the Democratic Party while Israeli Jews are
so supportive of the Republican person in this case, that
would be Donald Trump. I actually talked about that quite
a bit in the book Israel and Civilization, and it's
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maybe a longer and more complicated conversation there, but the
Israeli people in general are emphatically pro Trump. They even
named the town after him. Claid, there's literally a town
in the Goal On Heights called Trump Heights. Ramat Trump
would be the Hebrew word. I know it because I've
been there. I actually drove by, got out of the car,
took a selfie on the side of the road there
with the road signed Ramat Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So they're all in.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
They're all in for President Trump there, and as they should,
because Donald Trump is deeply supportive of the state of Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, let's talk about the book Josh out today,
Israel and Civilization, The fate of the Jewish Nation and
the destiny of the West by Josh Hammer. What do
people need to know and why should they pick up
their copy?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
So Buck, the book Israel and Civilization, both fortunately and unfortunately,
I think could not possibly be timelier. I'm a little biased,
but I happen to think that it is very timely.
On the one hand, Buck, you have the woke left,
which is obviously a horrific, cancerous actor. But there is
an increasing portion even of people on the nominal rights,
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not a loud portion, but there are some people that
are really calling for the US to abandon Israel, and Frankly,
I think, deep down on these people's hearts, what they
really want to do is ultimately to convince American Christians
to just leave the Jewish shade and leave the Jewish
people behind. So I took upon myself to write this
book basically calling for Jews and Christians alike to lock
arms and stand shoulder to shoulder like never before, and
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to fall in love with the biblical inheritance again, because
it actually is that ecumenical biblical inheritance that Frankly founded
this country, going back in seventeen seventy six, Thomas Jefferson,
Benjamin Franklin, they wanted the national seal of the United
States to be Moses parting the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln,
my own favorite figure in American history, described famously Americans
as an almost chosen people, using that covenantal language from
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the Hebrew Bible. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia literally has
a scriptural quote from the Book of Leviticus right on
the outside of it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
There.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
So the book is kind of painstakingly arguing that's so
much what we take for granted today when it comes
to our law, politics, morals, ethics, and so forth, really
does go back to scripture and that we cannot abandon that.
But the book is also relevant buff because I make
a very clear MAGA America first, hard headed realist case
for US Israel relations and the importance of US Israel ties.
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You have a lot of people that are screaming, oh,
the Israel issue. Oh, it's an old neo coon, neo
conservative issue. It's an old Bush administration, Dick Cheney, Don
Rum's issue. And I'm sorry, but the answer is no,
that's not what it is. Donald Trump is not a
neo consernive. He is a foreign policy realist, and he's
the most pro Israel president in American history there if
you want to focus disroportionately on China, which I think
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America needs to do, because again I'm a realist who
believes limited resources. The question is, how do you secure
American interest in the Middle East while allowing you to
extra kate resources to the Indo Pacific. And the obvious answer,
which Trump and BB got to in the Abrahamic Coords,
is to empower and embolden our allies in the region,
to secure that region in a way that redounds to
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all of our interests. So I think that this explicitly
realist case for us' relations is very timely and very important.
But it's all in there Israel and civilization, the fate
of the Jewish nation, and the destiny of the West Amazon,
Barnes and Noble, wherever you get your.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Books, Josha, when you look at the history, and I
got your book and I was looking through it, and
I was fascinated, because again I just came back from Israel.
How optimistic are you about peace in the Middle East?
Because for thousands of years, obviously it hasn't happened. Are
you optimistic that in the lifetime of the people that
are listening to us right now, we could have some
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form of peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Yes, and no, I think that there that there is
such a thing as a as a more tranquil region,
as a more peaceful region that is less prone to
violent eruptions of jihadism. Frankly, Clay, that's ultimately going to take.
It's gonna have to take the Iranian regime to go,
because the Irani regime currently is is the head of
the stake. They are the source of virtually all of
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the violent jiha that goes across the Middle East. Now,
to be clear, I'm not saying that America needs to
go and start toppling the Ayatola. That's not my stance.
But somewhere, some way or another, whether it comes from
sanctions or the or the Mike Pompeo esque maximum pressure campaign,
that regime is going to have to go. So at
some point, God willing in a post Islamic republic aroan
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there where jihad is on the decline, then yes, I
think the Middle East could be a lot more stable
than it is today. Has Blah, the Hoho, thys Hamas,
all these forces would be subdued, if not made completely
extinct without their major benefactor in Tehran. On the other hand,
you still do have the issue of Islam, and there
are very real questions I think are worth asking and
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exploring as to the extent to which Islam will ever itself,
even any more moderate form, ever be comfortable fully with
a Jewish state there in the heart of the Middle East.
And I don't really fully know the answer to that,
but I do think that after Iran goes and God willing,
going to be at some point again, not that the
US has to topple them, but at some point that
regime is going to have to go at some point, Clay,
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after that, I think things will definitely be better, if
not fully solved.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation, and
the destiny of the West. Josh Hammer is the author.
Go get your copy of the book today. Hammer time,
great to have you, my friend. Thanks for being here, gentlemen,
my pleasure.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (30:23):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are absolutely overloaded
with pickle takes, Pickles and chickens. Pickles and chickens. We've
covered a saying that we talked about the Nobel Peace Prize,
we talked about all sorts.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Of economies, we talked about, you know, the important things.
It's all about pickles and chickens on the talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That is true. And let's listen to junior up in
New York City. He has an idea for Buck Hi Clay,
this is a junior from Long Eyean.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Don't eat pickles on his burgers. He's eating pistason cobbler garbage.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Please take away another one of his man cards for
the day. I don't think he deserves one. Your hometown
of New York junior off the top rope on you
Buck pro He's right.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Juniors from Long Island, to be clear, which is almost
like its own state. But yes, it is nearby to
New York. And I would just say this junior, it
was pistachio crem Broulet, not cobbler. Cobblers for peasants.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
How dare you? How did cobbler cobbler is?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Who does I'm just saying. I'm just saying, hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You don't like fruit plus sugar plus delectable baked bread.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh my god, I think
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I cobbler universe. Better light up buck Sex than right now,
because every now and then, I remember this, this was
early days of Twitter, uh, before I really understood how
it worked. This is like two thousand and eight or whatever.
I have Twitter account, and I was like, man, you know,
I really love cobbler, like I like all types of cobbler.
And when I tweet, I think I was like eating
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and I put a picture up or something, and people
came after me like I was the anti crime. I
was like, who is anti cobbler? By the way, BlackBerry
cobbler the best cobbler on the planet, rarely offered, but
when it is the best of all cobblers. And that
was kind of my welcome to social media moment, where
it doesn't matter what opinion you have, there's somebody out
(32:33):
there that is outraged that you could have that opinion
that will immediately react.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But is cobbler not just a poor man's pie? Am
I missing something?
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Isn't that?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Isn't that just isn't cobbler poor man's pie? What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, now you've kind of blown my mind because I
never have thought about what the difference is between a
cobbler and a pie. I mean, I kind of think
of apple pie and apple cobbler is basically the same thing,
except a pie is circular and a cobbler tends to
be rectangular in my experience. So now my mind. Actually,
you've thrown me for a loop here because I've never
really thought I think the cobbler has a thicker bread
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based than the typical pie, which is why it's better.
That would be my on the fly distinction. I don't cook,
as everyone knows, I've never baked anything in my life.
If it can't be put in a microwave. I don't
know how to make it, so I clearly not the
the sterling knowledgeable person here. Cobble have a crust? Yeah,
(33:32):
I don't even think I mean that seems like it
not the right description pie for peasants. Am I am
I really off on this one. I'm just throwing it
out there.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The crust I mean is I think oftentimes very overrated
on the pie might have just come after people in
an aggressive way.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Here Big Pie is coming after Clay with that one.
That is how dare the crust is really where the
expertise comes in one confession, I was afraid that I
might be photographed in the midst of this. In Steamboat Springs,
I took the kids into an ice cream shop.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
There are a bunch of dads there from Dallas that
listen to the show, So shout out dads from Dallas
if they hear this. In Steamboat Springs, my kids didn't
want to get ice cream. I then violated my rule
on some level. I was a man eating an ice
cream cone. Nobody else was eating ice cream. Now, I
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think as an exception for alone, though your whole thing
was you're not a man alone getting it you'd your kids,
and my kids got like candy, right, they got like
Reese's pieces, Reese's peanut buttercups, like that was their choice.
If there were a photo, I don't want AI suggesting
that I was eating ice cream by myself. I just
don't want that out there.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Would what would be worse for you to get caught
in a photo eating like standing alone in the line
at the dairy queen with like a mix like chocolate
vanilla swirl, or or walking through the airport with a
mask on. Oh mask by far right, I mean, people
would think that I was pranking them. I think if
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I had a mask on, What if I wore the
mask on Air Force one in the media section, like, actually.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I think he might kick you off the plane. I
think he might be like off the plane, mask man,
off the plane.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What if I just sat down with the media with
a mask on and said, I really wish you guys
would take the virus more seriously. They're gonna hate me
in the media anyway. Me wearing a mask in the
banding that they wear masks on the airplane would be
I have a mask on.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I kind of want you to do this In videotape.
It like go up to the ap reporters like, oh,
I'm sorry, we don't wear masks anymore here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I didn't do this
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. As we are rolling
through the Tuesday edition of the program. Buck has already
filled out his bracket. I will fill mine out in
the next day or two and we will be posting
them up on clayanbuck dot com. We have a steake
dinner bet on the outcome of the bracket challenge. One
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man not very happy about the brackets. West Virginia Governor
Patrick Morrissey. You guys West Virginia, for those who don't know,
West Virginia Mountaineers left out of the NCUBA tournament and
Governor you are going to potentially be suing the nc
DOUBLEA over this. Thanks for coming on with us. What
(00:46):
can you tell us about this story?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, a couple things first, So thank you so much
for having me on your program today. I thought West
Virginia being left out of the tournament was the ultimate
miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest level. And
so what we've asked to do is get to the
bottom of it and know just what happened. There's so
many suspicious things that have come up. The American public
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deserves to know about it. This is actually the NCAA
selection process involves Americans across the country. It's very important
here in West Virginia. We care a lot about WVU.
We don't have a pro team, so so much fan energy,
player energy, and quite frankly resources go in to building
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the Mountaineers up. And when you have a process where
you have an athletic director who skips out of the
room yet their reports about payments and centives that may
be in place, I think it's time that we have
more objective criteria. They say quad one wins really should
have mattered. Well, obviously that's not the case if wv
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left out. They say that they're trying to have a
fair process. But let's publicize the criteria and have this
be much more objective. It's not going to impact the
tournament this year, but as sure as heck, could make
it a lot better for the future to avoid these
kinds of outrageous decisions.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, So for people who don't know, a big controversy
is that North Carolina's athletic director sits on the committee.
The committee is apprized of many different athletic directors from
across the country. There's a conflict there they say when
they talk about North Carolina's contention or seating, that the
athletic director of North Carolina would recuse himself. Do you
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believe that that was on the up and up? Do
you think that it was fair? Do you think that
it was coincidental that North Carolina ended up being the
last team in?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Look, I think at a minimum, it smells a great deal. Right.
So part of the reason we ask for information and
we want to investigate this is we want to get
to the bottom of it, right, That's what the process
is all about. And so when I hear this, and
I hear the people jump out of the room at
the very end, and you know that North Carolina is
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the last team in and WU is the first team
that's out, you know, you start to say, wait a minute,
when are you jumping in and out? You're in there
the entire process, and there's not the transparency about what
factors really matter. So just to go through a few
of these details, imagine if you're WVU and you have
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one hundred and eleven bracketologists who are predicting using their
own models, that you're going to be in the tournament,
and then North Carolina twenty seven of the one hundred
and eleven are suggesting you're going to be in. You
look at the various ratings and you say, how does
this stuff happen? So here's what needs to happen for
the future. We need to make sure we have the
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better objective information. We're going to get it through the
investigation and trying to get all the facts. That's why
we need need the NC double A to step up
on this front.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Hey, Governor x Buck, I just have a quick question.
Is there some redress that you want on this or
do you just want transparency and accountability for what you
think is a very unfair outcome.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Look, I think that the NC double A I've found
over the years and I've been engaged with them on
a number of different topics. Sometimes they can be very arrogant,
and we saw that in the transfer eligibility rules. Some
of your listeners may know that I sued over that
with a number of other Attorneys general and we brought
that rule down. So I think the first thing you
(04:38):
do is you have transparency and put a little more
to sunlight on the process. It's the best disinfectant, so
I said yesterday, Look, it's preliminary to talk about suing them.
I think what we want to focus on, let's get
to the bottom of it. But I will say this,
if the nc DOUBLEA doesn't act in a transparent manner,
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then they're going to lose a lot credibility nationally. To me,
that's the important part of the process. That's why a
governor gets involved, because a governor is standing up for
the state university in his state and ensuring that people
know this is a lot of money's at stake, a
lot of prides at stake, a lot of hard works
at state and it's got to change. But we've said, look,
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we're not going to talk about litigation until we get
to the other point. And I found that that's the
better approach. And that's why I'm just asking and pressing
the NCAA to respond to this, because if they don't,
it's clear they have something to hide.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All fifty states listen to this program right now. Everybody
in the state of West Virginia is saying, heck, yeah, governor,
you've got our back. Some people in the other forty
nine states who are not mountaineer fans, to be fair,
they're mountaineer fans everywhere it's a great university, great fan base.
Are saying, man, should in the political process anybody really
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get involved in who ends up in the Ends tournament.
I'm sure you've heard this already. Isn't there something else
for West Virginia's governor and elected officials to be concerned about?
How would you respond to that criticism?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, a couple of things. First of all, for all
those saying that there's some blowhards out there that talk
about this, but they don't know one, you can walk
and shoe gum at the same time. The second point,
I would say, if you want to effectuate change, you
actually have to do something. Do you think that if
anyone's saying that, do they think that it's acceptable to
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have something that smells so bad and no one's going
to address it? So maybe you shine a little spotlight
on it. And I know in the past by taking
this approach, we've caused change to happen. So we talked
about the transfer eligibility rule. You know, we know that
nil happened in the past because people spoke out, and
in West Virginia this is really a big deal that
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we take our sports seriously. We take w seriously. In fact,
We put a lot of resources invest in w every
single year, and when someone makes the cutter doesn't that matters.
But it's not that we're trying to say that we
deserve it more than others. What we're saying is when
the process is tainted, it calls into question what's going on.
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And we're a participant in the process. We're a grinded
out school, hard workers, and we're not asking for any
special treatment. We're just asking for the future. We need
the process to be a lot more clear. So if
you know that it's about quad win wins and great,
is it about ten palms? Hey? Great? Is it about
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net rankings? Or is it about an eye test? If
it's about an eye test, who is sitting in there
and are their potential conflicts of interest? How are those
processes raising? These are very reasonable things to raise, and
I'm not sure why people would be taking the opposite approach,
but it's important for anyone. You know, I'm a sports
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fan just like anyone else. I care about this stuff.
And you know, we're not talking about any extreme measures.
We're just drawing attention to something that matters for our state,
or frankly matters for a lot of American sports fans.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Governor, we appreciate the time. Will you still fill out
a bracket or are you boycotting the brackets?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Listen, I think that we're gonna fill out a bracket,
but I'm gonna tell you this, wu We're gonna get
ready for our comeback. And you watch next year our
basketball team with Coach DeVries, our football team with Rich Rod.
He always tells his players come with a whole, cold,
hard edge. That's what we're doing in West Virginia. We're
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speaking out against the efforts sometimes that these blue bloods
have and they try to keep us down. We're not
gonna let that happen.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Governor, we appreciate the time. Thank you, Governor Patrick Morsey
of West Virginia. Buck, was that all buy in law?
Did you have any idea that this controversy had arisen
as you prepare to fill out You already filled out
your whole bracket as you prepare for the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Clay, I was basically flipping a coin to fill up
my bracket yesterday. I have no idea and no idea
what you guys are talking about, and I just wish
all the best of the fans of WVU who feel
like they got the short.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
End of the stick on this one.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
All right, buck, We've got two listener talkbacks that I
want to play here. This is the wide range of
topics that we have had on the show. The first
one is from an unnamed listener in San Antonio, angry
at me for presuming that you had to have both
roosters and hens if you wanted to have eggs. Listen
(09:44):
to BB here boy, a couple of CURTI fall, can't
you You don't get a rooster if you want to
just have eggs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The only reason you get roosters because you want more chickens.
All right, So well I was, well, excuse use me, sir,
I will have you know that also a rooster provides
protection for the chickens against raccoons and foxes and other predators,
so it does not, in fact, just to make more chickens.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
The city folk have access to the internet too, all.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Right, So here's the question. Do most people who have
hens not have a rooster? Because I would think that
you would have some protection and or want more egg
chicks to be able to be developed. Going for I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Again, my in laws, I mean, it's a little sad
they had. There was an incident. Yeah, there was an
incident where a raccoon got into the chicken coop and uh,
it was.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
It was rough. It gets messy real fast. You don't
realize how nasty those raccoons can be. Man, it was.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It took out the hens. It was like a chicken
blender in there. Yeah it right, oh man, armageddon for
the chickens. All right, So there people wanted to come
after me over roosters. Now somebody's angry because not supportive
enough along with Ubuck of Ukraine and he's furious. This
is New York City listener on WR here he is.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
You have no idea what's going on in Ukraine. Ukraine
is an innocent victim of Putin's aggression and desire to
rebuild the Soviet Empire. They are simply defending their land.
Wouldn't you do the same thing? What if Tennessee were
invaded or Florida? Would you just lay down and say, oh,
we have too many people dying, let's just give it up.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Why not screw you?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Screw us?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
All right?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, so my question would just be what is his answer,
like we should we actually fight the war ourselves.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, no, I mean nothing that we have said.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I've never said that Putin wasn't the aggressor we say
he's a bad guy. But see, this is when people
make this an emotional argument instead of a national security argument.
Do you have pathways here? You can continue to fund
a Ukrainian war machine that is run out of people,
which is true, and not going to gain back any
more territory than it currently has except through negotiation, which
(12:09):
is true, or you know you can I don't know,
you can continue on the current pathway. You know, you
can either negotiate an end of this thing, you can
continue doing what it's doing. The fact that there are
bad people who have done bad things here doesn't change
the realities on the ground of what they face. I
don't know why I've never I mean anyway, some people
(12:29):
they get very op.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, this isn't I just want to play it
because it is like this idea, my argument, and we
should Native Americans still, Like should Native Americans be running
around doing suicide bombings because we took their land?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean think about that for a second, right, I mean,
at what point, at some point you've lost right, at
some point you can't win, So what do you want
to do unless you're going to make the case that
Ukraine can beat Russia, which is insane. You have to
have this thing end and you have to negotiate an
end to the conflict. Otherwise you're just letting people die.
And it's very easy for people sitting wherever they are
(13:04):
in this country to say, yeah, you know, it's the
brave resistance. People are being chewed up by machine gun
fire and artillery rounds every day for what that's the
argument I don't really get. I get the argument of
O Putin's a bad guy, okay, but the war cannot
be won by Ukraine. I haven't heard anybody say Ukraine's
(13:25):
going to win the war. If you accept that as
a reality, even left wingers are like, yeah, they're not
going to win the war.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Then what is your solution? That they just continue to
fight sort of forever, which honestly probably benefits Russia because
they're just going to inexorably be slowly advancing across Ukraine's territory.
There isn't a counter argument to let's end the war.
And I understand, like screw, so you're you know, got angry,
(13:53):
emotional responses. But I haven't heard a rational, coherent, not
emotional response about how to end this war. If you
disagree with us of the opinion that there needs to
be a ceasefire and a broker piece that will involve
Russia getting some land. Sometimes bad guys and they were
the aggressor, they were the bad guy benefit from war.
(14:16):
That's not unheard of. That, in fact, is much of
the history of the world. So eventually this thing has
to end.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, I mean, look at all the countries that fell
to communism that shouldn't have but that did through violence.
And you know, eventually that's just where things are.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
We go. Okay, sorry, you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Know China's you know now one Jenkai Czech lost.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I mean, things happen.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I don't know what to say, Like, you have to
deal with the reality as it stands before you and
I come back to the same thing, which is, okay,
what's the what's the better plan? The better plan is
to just keep funding this thing, so we have to
keep writing checks for this thing forever.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yes, that's according to our unnamed listener Wor who says
that we are need to be screwed, and not a
good way screw us. But you know what is going
to happen this weekend that can make everybody happy, Buck,
maybe even our listener in wr who's so angry. The
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Speaker 3 (16:36):
All right, we got talkbacks and vip emails flooding the
zone here on a bunch of things. Chickens, burgers, so much, yeah,
so many things, you know, musicals.
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Speaker 3 (16:51):
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Speaker 4 (16:56):
I love pickles on my burgers.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
What's the matter with you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, well, rita different strokes for different folks. You know,
I think that pickles are one of those things that
should be left off burgers unless you opt. In some
places they just put the pickles on the burgers, And
I don't want some weird vegetable. That's throw a little
slimy vegetable thrown on top of my delicious burger.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Clay, Oh, pickles are amazing. I think it's the perfect
condiment to kind of just set off the Chick fil
a sandwich. I think you're a communist if you take
the pickle off the Chick fil a sandwich or the hamburger.
I was it Rita who called in. I'm with her.
She's a stute woman who understands great cuisine. VIP email
from Graham. I could be Buck's long lost brother one.
(17:44):
I hate noise and people who make noise. Well done,
sir two. I understand that pickles on burgers are the
devil's work. See Clay, They're sanity out there. It's a
poor decision, poor hill, for you to die on big
pickles coming from here? Is that dangerous pray? Bigo coming
for you? Can mean a lot of different things depending
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on where you are. Look, I gotta tell you right
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Josh Hammer joins us now Senior editor at Large of
news Week and host of The Josh Hammer Show. He's
got a new book released today. He's coming out on
the show to tell everybody about it. Israel and Civilization,
(19:10):
The Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of
the West. Already doing great numbers on Amazon. Go get
your copy today. Mister Hammer great to have you with us, Sir.
I wanted to get your take first if I could,
before we dive into the book, which everyone should go
get a copy of. I know it's doing great so far.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
The end of the ceasefire in Israel and the new
posture or the renewed posture perhaps toward Hamas.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Well, but great to join you in Thanks for the
book support. Look to me, the ball is clearly in
benjaminten Yahu's court, Buck, I mean Donald Trump is all
in for us as relations. He's used the rhetoric of
give them hell to pay. He's made it very clear
that he and his cabinet are going to stand shoulder
to shoulder with the Israeli governments when it comes to diplomacy,
when it comes to the military, when it comes to
(20:01):
trying to eradicate the entirety of the Hamas political and
military cancer from the Gaza's trip. So for some weeks now, Buck,
I've been saying the ball is in Antityahu's court. I
mean Biebe has basically lived his entire adult life for
moments just like this. He has led his entire adult
life to wait for the opportunity to go in and
do what needs to be done, so to speak, whether
(20:23):
it's in Gaza, whether it's in Lebanon and has Ballah
he did that partially last summer actually, or whether it's
really the grand threat of all in the region, which
of course is the Islamus regime in Tehran. So I'm
not surprised that the ceasefire broke. Frankly, Hamas only has
it self to blame. I mean, with a medieval Islamis
death cult, they had any number of opportunities to avoid
(20:44):
this outcome. They completely brought this upon themselves, and frankly,
this is a necessary thing that has to happen or
if there to be any resolution whatsoever in the region.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Congrats on the book. I know all the work that
goes into that. I hope you're having a good time
with it officially being out. What is the ultimate goal
do you think when it comes to Gaza? What should happen,
what's likely to happen, what does history suggest should happen.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
It looks like Donald Trump has a certain vision in mind.
I mean, he wants the United States to take over Gaza.
I will I'll be honest with you, that was not
on my personal bingo card. I'm not sure that, frankly,
that it was on Bibi Netsa Nyahu's bingo card. I mean,
you look at his facial expression at the joint press
conference when Donald Trump announced that to the world. It
was quite humorous to look at the way that Netanyahu
and the Israeli officials in the room reacted to that.
(21:34):
I'm open to being persuaded of that. That's not entirely
what my first guest would have been, Buck. Look in
my heart of hearts, I would love to see the
Arabs there find a permanent home in Jordan or Egypt,
which seems to be Donald Trump's preferred approach, and for
Israel to go ahead and take it over. Realistically speaking,
I think the most likely way that this ultimately ends
is you get some sort of consortium of the more
(21:54):
moderate Sunni Arab states, the Saudis and Moradis, Bahraini's, maybe
the Egyptians if the willing to play ball, and they
kind of go in there jointly together and try to
make sure that Islamism and jihadism will not be the
way forward there. But that's going to entail some sort
of American Israeli or some sort of joint presence there
even with that, because frankly, even these guys, the more
(22:16):
moderate forces, I'm not sure just how much we can
trust them for the mid.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
To long term.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Josh. For people who don't know, I was over in
Israel in December, the amount of Immen's popularity for Trump
in Israel is off the charts. In fact, Trump, if
they Israel had had a vote in the American presidential election,
would have won like he did in West Virginia or Wyoming.
What do you think Israeli's believe when they see that
(22:42):
Trump is being attacked by Democrats here as Hitler.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Well, Clay, I'll tell you exactly what Israelis believed, because
I happened to be married to one, and I happened
to have in laws here in Florida where I live.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Who are them?
Speaker 7 (22:56):
And I taught them every day. The Israeli people are
about the trumpiest people in the basically the entire world.
I'm not sure if there's a single foreign country where
Trump has a higher approval rating than the state of
Israel for a very clear and compelling reasons, which is
that Donald Trump is the most pro Israel. Frankly, he's
the most pro Jewish president in American history there. And
(23:17):
you know, this is something of an issue that I
think a lot of people here, even on the Rights
don't fully understand, is how can American Jews vote disproportionately
so much for the Democratic Party while Israeli Jews are
so supportive of the Republican person in this case, that
would be Donald Trump. I actually talked about that quite
a bit in the book Israel and Civilization, and it's
(23:37):
maybe a longer and more complicated conversation there, but the
Israeli people in general are emphatically pro Trump. They even
named the town after him. Claid, there's literally a town
in the Goal On Heights called Trump Heights. Ramat Trump
would be the Hebrew word. I know it because I've
been there. I actually drove by, got out of the car,
took a selfie on the side of the road there
with the road signed Ramat Trump.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So they're all in.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
They're all in for President Trump there, and as they should,
because Donald Trump is deeply supportive of the state of Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All right, let's talk about the book Josh out today,
Israel and Civilization, The fate of the Jewish Nation and
the destiny of the West by Josh Hammer. What do
people need to know and why should they pick up
their copy?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
So Buck, the book Israel and Civilization, both fortunately and unfortunately,
I think could not possibly be timelier. I'm a little biased,
but I happen to think that it is very timely.
On the one hand, Buck, you have the woke left,
which is obviously a horrific, cancerous actor. But there is
an increasing portion even of people on the nominal rights,
(24:37):
not a loud portion, but there are some people that
are really calling for the US to abandon Israel, and Frankly,
I think, deep down on these people's hearts, what they
really want to do is ultimately to convince American Christians
to just leave the Jewish shade and leave the Jewish
people behind. So I took upon myself to write this
book basically calling for Jews and Christians alike to lock
arms and stand shoulder to shoulder like never before, and
(24:59):
to fall in love with the biblical inheritance again, because
it actually is that ecumenical biblical inheritance that Frankly founded
this country, going back in seventeen seventy six, Thomas Jefferson,
Benjamin Franklin, they wanted the national seal of the United
States to be Moses parting the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln,
my own favorite figure in American history, described famously Americans
as an almost chosen people, using that covenantal language from
(25:22):
the Hebrew Bible. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia literally has
a scriptural quote from the Book of Leviticus right on
the outside of it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
There.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
So the book is kind of painstakingly arguing that's so
much what we take for granted today when it comes
to our law, politics, morals, ethics, and so forth, really
does go back to scripture and that we cannot abandon that.
But the book is also relevant buff because I make
a very clear MAGA America first, hard headed realist case
for US Israel relations and the importance of US Israel ties.
(25:52):
You have a lot of people that are screaming, oh,
the Israel issue. Oh, it's an old neo coon, neo
conservative issue. It's an old Bush administration, Dick Cheney, Don
Rum's issue. And I'm sorry, but the answer is no,
that's not what it is. Donald Trump is not a
neo consernive. He is a foreign policy realist, and he's
the most pro Israel president in American history there if
you want to focus disroportionately on China, which I think
(26:13):
America needs to do, because again I'm a realist who
believes limited resources. The question is, how do you secure
American interest in the Middle East while allowing you to
extra kate resources to the Indo Pacific. And the obvious answer,
which Trump and BB got to in the Abrahamic Coords,
is to empower and embolden our allies in the region,
to secure that region in a way that redounds to
(26:33):
all of our interests. So I think that this explicitly
realist case for us' relations is very timely and very important.
But it's all in there Israel and civilization, the fate
of the Jewish nation, and the destiny of the West Amazon,
Barnes and Noble, wherever you get your.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Books, Josha, when you look at the history, and I
got your book and I was looking through it, and
I was fascinated, because again I just came back from Israel.
How optimistic are you about peace in the Middle East?
Because for thousands of years, obviously it hasn't happened. Are
you optimistic that in the lifetime of the people that
are listening to us right now, we could have some
(27:08):
form of peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Yes, and no, I think that there that there is
such a thing as a as a more tranquil region,
as a more peaceful region that is less prone to
violent eruptions of jihadism. Frankly, Clay, that's ultimately going to take.
It's gonna have to take the Iranian regime to go,
because the Irani regime currently is is the head of
the stake. They are the source of virtually all of
(27:31):
the violent jiha that goes across the Middle East. Now,
to be clear, I'm not saying that America needs to
go and start toppling the Ayatola. That's not my stance.
But somewhere, some way or another, whether it comes from
sanctions or the or the Mike Pompeo esque maximum pressure campaign,
that regime is going to have to go. So at
some point, God willing in a post Islamic republic aroan
(27:51):
there where jihad is on the decline, then yes, I
think the Middle East could be a lot more stable
than it is today. Has Blah, the Hoho, thys Hamas,
all these forces would be subdued, if not made completely
extinct without their major benefactor in Tehran. On the other hand,
you still do have the issue of Islam, and there
are very real questions I think are worth asking and
(28:11):
exploring as to the extent to which Islam will ever itself,
even any more moderate form, ever be comfortable fully with
a Jewish state there in the heart of the Middle East.
And I don't really fully know the answer to that,
but I do think that after Iran goes and God willing,
going to be at some point again, not that the
US has to topple them, but at some point that
regime is going to have to go at some point, Clay,
(28:33):
after that, I think things will definitely be better, if
not fully solved.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation, and
the destiny of the West. Josh Hammer is the author.
Go get your copy of the book today. Hammer time,
great to have you, my friend. Thanks for being here, gentlemen,
my pleasure.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (30:23):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are absolutely overloaded
with pickle takes, Pickles and chickens. Pickles and chickens. We've
covered a saying that we talked about the Nobel Peace Prize,
we talked about all sorts.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Of economies, we talked about, you know, the important things.
It's all about pickles and chickens on the talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That is true. And let's listen to junior up in
New York City. He has an idea for Buck Hi Clay,
this is a junior from Long Eyean.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Don't eat pickles on his burgers. He's eating pistason cobbler garbage.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Please take away another one of his man cards for
the day. I don't think he deserves one. Your hometown
of New York junior off the top rope on you
Buck pro He's right.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Juniors from Long Island, to be clear, which is almost
like its own state. But yes, it is nearby to
New York. And I would just say this junior, it
was pistachio crem Broulet, not cobbler. Cobblers for peasants.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
How dare you? How did cobbler cobbler is?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Who does I'm just saying. I'm just saying, hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You don't like fruit plus sugar plus delectable baked bread.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh my god, I think
I'm just.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I cobbler universe. Better light up buck Sex than right now,
because every now and then, I remember this, this was
early days of Twitter, uh, before I really understood how
it worked. This is like two thousand and eight or whatever.
I have Twitter account, and I was like, man, you know,
I really love cobbler, like I like all types of cobbler.
And when I tweet, I think I was like eating
(32:10):
and I put a picture up or something, and people
came after me like I was the anti crime. I
was like, who is anti cobbler? By the way, BlackBerry
cobbler the best cobbler on the planet, rarely offered, but
when it is the best of all cobblers. And that
was kind of my welcome to social media moment, where
it doesn't matter what opinion you have, there's somebody out
(32:33):
there that is outraged that you could have that opinion
that will immediately react.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But is cobbler not just a poor man's pie? Am
I missing something?
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Isn't that?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Isn't that just isn't cobbler poor man's pie? What's the difference?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, now you've kind of blown my mind because I
never have thought about what the difference is between a
cobbler and a pie. I mean, I kind of think
of apple pie and apple cobbler is basically the same thing,
except a pie is circular and a cobbler tends to
be rectangular in my experience. So now my mind. Actually,
you've thrown me for a loop here because I've never
really thought I think the cobbler has a thicker bread
(33:11):
based than the typical pie, which is why it's better.
That would be my on the fly distinction. I don't cook,
as everyone knows, I've never baked anything in my life.
If it can't be put in a microwave. I don't
know how to make it, so I clearly not the
the sterling knowledgeable person here. Cobble have a crust? Yeah,
(33:32):
I don't even think I mean that seems like it
not the right description pie for peasants. Am I am
I really off on this one. I'm just throwing it
out there.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The crust I mean is I think oftentimes very overrated
on the pie might have just come after people in
an aggressive way.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Here Big Pie is coming after Clay with that one.
That is how dare the crust is really where the
expertise comes in one confession, I was afraid that I
might be photographed in the midst of this. In Steamboat Springs,
I took the kids into an ice cream shop.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
There are a bunch of dads there from Dallas that
listen to the show, So shout out dads from Dallas
if they hear this. In Steamboat Springs, my kids didn't
want to get ice cream. I then violated my rule
on some level. I was a man eating an ice
cream cone. Nobody else was eating ice cream. Now, I
(34:26):
think as an exception for alone, though your whole thing
was you're not a man alone getting it you'd your kids,
and my kids got like candy, right, they got like
Reese's pieces, Reese's peanut buttercups, like that was their choice.
If there were a photo, I don't want AI suggesting
that I was eating ice cream by myself. I just
don't want that out there.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Would what would be worse for you to get caught
in a photo eating like standing alone in the line
at the dairy queen with like a mix like chocolate
vanilla swirl, or or walking through the airport with a
mask on. Oh mask by far right, I mean, people
would think that I was pranking them. I think if
(35:06):
I had a mask on, What if I wore the
mask on Air Force one in the media section, like, actually.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I think he might kick you off the plane. I
think he might be like off the plane, mask man,
off the plane.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What if I just sat down with the media with
a mask on and said, I really wish you guys
would take the virus more seriously. They're gonna hate me
in the media anyway. Me wearing a mask in the
banding that they wear masks on the airplane would be
I have a mask on.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I kind of want you to do this In videotape.
It like go up to the ap reporters like, oh,
I'm sorry, we don't wear masks anymore here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I didn't do this
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