March 28, 2024 • 37 mins
Author, journalist and C&B Podcast Network host Karol Markowicz joined C&B to discuss the possible realignment of the Jewish vote, crime-ridden NYC, DeSantis vs. Disney and more. Buck's defense of Travis Kelce's "dad bod." The View's Sunny Hostin attacks black author Coleman Hughes. VIP emails.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
We bring in now, Carol Markowitz of the Carol Markowitz podcast,
and Carol, I actually want to start with a question
for you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I shared it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You write at the New York Post, but you also
have a substack, and you wrote kind of a long
form rumination about the conversations that Jews in America are
having in the wake of October seventh, and this has
been something that we've continued to talk about, the political
realignment to the extent that it has occurred in the
country among Jewish voters. What how would you assess the
(01:45):
mind of Jewish voters now? I read on the Sunday
New York Times had a huge article about the future
of Jews may not be traditionally with the Democrat Party
anymore because it's the kind of the theme of the
article was, it's a time for choosing. You can't necessarily
be a liberal and a Jewish supporter of liberalism, as
(02:07):
might well have been connected in the past, given the
amount of Democrats supporting Palestinians.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, well, hi, guys, thank you so much for having
me on. You know, I have been hoping that Jews
would move rightward for a long time. Because history didn't
begin on October seventh. Anti Semitism in America. It didn't
begin on October seventh. And what I've seen over the
last decade is it's all coming from the left. Yes.
(02:33):
Does the right have a couple of you know, frog
avatars on Twitter who say ridiculous things and target Jews,
of course, but they're all anonymous and really small accounts,
and they do it because they get a rise out
of people. It isn't people in Congress like the Democrats
have who are targeting Jews. So I have hoped for
a long time that the shift would happen. I think
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it is happening, and I've seen it over the last
you know, two three four years happening. I think that
Jews went more than ever for Governor Ron DeSantis in
Florida the last time he ran for governor a year
and a half ago. They voted more for Donald Trump
than they had voted in the past. We're in like
the forties now percentage wise, and I think that if
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you look at the numbers of the last mitt from elections,
I think it was the Jewish vote on Long Island
in New York that swung the House to Republicans. So
the times they are a changing, maybe not as fast
as I would like personally, but I'm seeing it anecdotally
all around. I'm seeing Democrats, you know, Jews who always
voted Democrat, really taking a good look at what that
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means and that what they will do in the future.
I would hope that they would rethink a lot of
their political philosophy, like their support of things like DEI
should be the end here, but you know, it's hard
to get people to really rethink everything, and I hope
this is the first step right now.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Hey, Carol, appreciate you being with us. I wanted to
ask you about the situation in New York. It's really
two things coming together. One is you have Daniel Penny
facing trial and people are connecting this to you know,
just for review for everyone. He is the marine who
stepped in when an individual was threatening people on the
(04:16):
subway put him in a choke hold. That individual died
subsequently two being put in the choke hold. But that's happening.
But also women are randomly being punched on the streets
of New York City. There's been some press about this
down on Lower Manhattan. They're just getting punched in the
face by some stranger and some i think member of
the city council said, why aren't men doing something about this?
(04:38):
And you might have seen the tweets all saying because
you lock them up.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, well, yes, that's really it. Council Member Amanda Parius,
w's the majority Democrat council member on the New York
City Council, she said, where are the men calling this out? Well,
there were men calling this out, and there were men
who would be willing to step in between a woman
and a man trying punch. But after Daniel Penny got arrested,
(05:02):
I've heard from so many New Yorkers I'm not getting involved.
That's crazy. I'm not getting involved. I'm not risking my
life to protect other people on the subway. And the
thing about New York was that we always counted on
strangers stepping in. That was what made New York amazing.
I think after nine to eleven, everybody always wanted to
(05:22):
be a hero. And I think that what we've seen
is when you target the heroes, when you put them
in jail. When you have people like Daniel Penny who
were willing to risk their own lives to help a
train full of people, and you see him get arrested,
and you see him be charged. Why do it? Why
why would anybody do it? And I have to tell
you that I feel like a genius every day from
moving to Florida. New York is just cannot dig itself
(05:45):
out of this pandemic era slump that it's in. They
can't do the most rational same things. I feel so
sorry for the people in New York who are trying
to vote themselves to sanity, who do try to make
their city a better place because their face with the
Amanda Phariuses of the world, who do nothing to make
the city better and then complain about men not stepping.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
In Carol, what do you think We talked about it
a little bit earlier in this hour, but Ron DeSantis
basically spiking the football on disney front page by the
way of the New York Times and the Wall Street
Journal today as they're doing my pregame reading what's the
reaction you're down in Florida. Now you heard all the
(06:27):
people out there who said, oh, Disney's gonna win this.
Desantas has no leg to stand on, and then Disney
basically waves the white flag.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Is this over between DeSantis and Disney?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is Disney trying to avoid the cultural battles or do
you think this is just a battle one for now,
but the war wages on.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, I think that this is the end. I think
that in the settlement, Disney, you know, agreed to dismiss
multiple lawsuits that they had, And I really do think
that this is I mean, I at least I should
hope so to me, I would really hope that this
is the beginning of sanity of Disney coming back to sanity.
Nobody wants to hate Disney, no, no, you know, I
grew up with Disney. All of us did, and we
(07:06):
all want to take our kids to Disney World, and
we want to do things like that. But Disney has
been sort of the enemy of families for the last
few years. And I hope that this ending, this ending
of the battle with Governor DeSantis, and this ending of
trying to trying to have their own, you know, really
creak improvement district. I really do hope that the company
(07:27):
realizes that they've made some serious errors and they reverse
themselves and they go back to the vision that Walt
Disney had a family friendly entertainment, not indoctrination, you know,
really wholesome things that are you can put the kids
on for the kids and just know that they're not
going to be indoctrinated by some crazy leftism. I hope
that this is the beginning of the road back for Disney.
(07:49):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
For Speaking of Carol Markwitz of the Carroll Markowitz Show,
you can listen to it on the Client Buck podcast network,
which so many of you are already doing. Would invite
you to join by subscribing. Download the iHeart radio app,
look at Clay and Buck. Subscribe Carol mark which show
will be right there. And Carol, I want you to
weigh in on something that got really I was surprised.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yesterday got a little bit heat. It got a little
bit controversial.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
People who are commenting that Travis Kelcey has a dad
boss and and and also I would say a lot
of people very critical of Taylor Swift in a bathing suit.
Clay was pointed out to me by Carrie. They invited
the photographers to take photos of them by Is this true?
They invited the photographers? Is that true?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Carrol?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is that I rescind All, like.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
If you choose, was flipping out. He thought he thought
they were like in Gillie suits, you know, like a sniper.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But with a camera.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, I don't think there should be secret photos taken
of people on vacation if they were not secret.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, okay, I don't know about the part about them
inviting them, you know, I don't know about the photographer part,
but the idea that those two people don't have good bodies,
like what lunacy are we living with on the internet?
I think people have really lost it. He's a football player,
she's in fantastic shape. I mean, just we've gotten to
(09:17):
where we're so used to these overfiltered bodies and faces.
We have no idea what people really look like anymore.
And I mean, come on, when Trevors Kelsey and Taylor
Swift are not good looking anymore, we've really lost it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, this is what I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I mean, I think that social media in particular has
created and really I blame Instagram. You know, Facebook is
where you like, you know, show the jam preserves that
you're making and you know your grandchildren. Instagram is where
people put the Yeah, Instagram is where you put your
first trap.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Instagram, which is for those who don't know, that's when
ladies all of a sudden have like a photo of
them and very revealing clothing and they just see all
the comments. That's called the first trap. Or I guess
maybe Ginger when I hold her up that's a thirst
trap too. But anyway, but the truth here is that
I think people are losing sight of well, first of all,
what's important, but beyond that, what's normal. And i'd also say, Carol,
(10:14):
you know I think that you're I always think you
have interesting takes on aesthetics. I understand people can have
different views of things. I also think that plastic surgery,
maybe just because I live in Miami, it's just getting
completely out of control, though, And the people you see
in the media are also getting completely out We're not.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Talking about a little snip or a little you know,
change here or there.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Like everyone's walking around like they've got this plastic face
now full of all this puffed up stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Right, it's I do not like it, do not approve
at all. Yeah, that's really it, though. You it's the
fact that we're not seeing real faces on social media.
And you know, Facebook is the last place you could
see real faces. You could see your grandma's face.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So yeah, I think people have forgotten what people really
look like.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So the data you've got I think three kids, I've
got three Carol when I don't think we've asked you
about this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But when you see the gap.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
In happiness between in America right now between people who
are sixty plus and people who are under thirty, how
do we fix that?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And a part of it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Is generational, but you know, people as they age tend
to get happier. But never in American history of anybody
living right now have people under the age of thirty
historically been as unhappy as people say they are under
thirty right now.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
How does it get fixed?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wild?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's so wild, And you know, they also have the
most that anybody has ever had in human history. They're
like the luckiest, most blessed, most correct, having these abundant lifestyles,
and they're unhappy. It is partly social media, absolutely, but
partly that they have no strife. They have nothing to
struggle again, so they invent problems for themselves. I mean
(11:55):
just the fact that so many of them don't sleep
at night because of climate change. They've been told to
worry about something that is ridiculous and they can't solve
and they should be getting a good night sleep and
not thinking about it at all. But like, these kids
are so lucky. I always say, you know, I don't
know my kids are going to turn out to be.
I can tell you they're not going to be Communists,
(12:15):
they're not going to be in America, and they're going
to feel lucky and blessed for their lives because I've
spent you know, their whole childhoods telling them about how
my life could have gone in the Soviet Union, how
my poor childhood in Brooklyn, how it's not like this
for everybody, and that they should feel lucky. Every day
I have them say thank you to military and police
(12:36):
environment when they see them. My kids are going to
be full of gratitude no matter what happens. That's really
my main goal.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Yeah, and I think that, Carol, increasingly, that the data
reflects that people who who approach life with gratitude but
also with a sense of purpose that is externalized, like
doing things for others, helping others. That I know that
it can sound like something that you'd get from like
a Hallmark after school special or whatever, but the data
(13:07):
about people's self reported happiness shows that the more you
externalize your purpose and get beyond say the narcissism of
Instagram filters and all the rest to bring a full
circle for a moment. The more likely one is to
continue to be happy and to feel good about their
day to day.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, having kids volunteer or really do good work is
so important. I think that we really overlook that we
give kids these easy lives that make them not appreciate
what they have. Again, I don't know, you know, I
don't know how my kids are going to turn out,
but I'm going to instill that they have to appreciate
everything they have, that they have to work for everything
(13:44):
they have. It's definitely the way to go. I know,
you guys interviewed Abigail Schreyer her book You Know Bad
Therapy so much in it about not focusing on all
your problems, not being mired down in the minutia of
your life and thinking that you're so important and that
everything bad that happens to you is unique to just you.
It's so important to get kids out of that headspace.
(14:05):
I think that, you know, you have to raise kids
who are not going to be indulgent and full of themselves,
and that's really priority number one.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Carol mark Witz Everybody check out the Carol Markowitz podcast. Wait,
you launched a substack too, right, I.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Have a substack. It's Carol Markowitz at dot substack dot com.
We know if the kids are into it, so I'm
thinking I'm going to give it a try. We'll see
how it goes well.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
We'll have a bunch of everyone listening subscribing to help out.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Thanks so much, Carol. Great to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Thanks guys.
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Speaker 6 (16:31):
I gotta tell you, I was a little surprised to
see this, and I brought it up with Carol, and
I didn't think this was a huge news story by
any means, but the whole like Travis Kelcey being body
shamed and Taylor Swift too. I think I just sort
of see some of this down in Miami because there's
such an obsession with physique here and there's so much Honestly,
(16:53):
people are just taking all kinds of stuff. Clay that
X tweet on that six point eight million views, one
hundred and twenty three thousand likes of my little musing
on Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift, which you said, I
think is very astute. The Swifties may have caught onto this,
and unfortunately I have not offended them.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You may be the swifties favorite media person now. One
hundred and twenty three thousand likes for you defending Travis
Kelcey and his dad Bod, But I think it that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Look, dad Bod. Defense is a hill I will die
on I'll tell you. Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I mean, I'm looking at the comments, and I do
think so many people out there, why about the fact
that they're taking things that will probably make them illegal
to play in sports? Right, That's the other thing about
why Travis Kelcey isn't super ripped. He gets tested for
this stuff all the time. And I've come across people
who are delusional. I've come across people who have told
me that they're taking stuff and then later on they'll
(17:54):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I saw a.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Discussion on the view. I know, I know, I watch
so you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Guy by the name of Coleman Hughes who has a
new book out saying that we are talking about race
incorrectly in this country and that we need to change
our discussion. And I want to play this for you
because Sonny Houstin who I would say regularly has among
the worst takes in anyone for anyone who is on
(19:38):
daily media attacked this author. I think Coleman Hughes in
his twenties, relatively young guy listen to I want to
play a couple of these cuts and let you guys
hear him. I give credit to the View for actually
having a discussion, being willing to have this author on,
but I do think it represents two different views of
how the world should be. Listen to cut twenty six
(20:00):
yere this is Coleman Hughes Sonny Houstin on the View.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Your argument that race has no place in that equation
is really fundamentally flawed.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
No, well, there's two separate questions. One is whether each
racial group is socioeconomically the same that I agree with
you they're not.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
So yeah, of course I agree with that fully.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
The question is how do you address that in the
way that actually targets poverty the best rate. And what
Martin Luther King wrote in his book Why We Can't
Wait is he called it, we need a bill of
rights for the disadvantage, And he said, yes, we should
address racial inequality, Yes we should address the legacy of slavery.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
But the way to do that is on the basis.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
Of class, and that will disproportionately target Blacks and Hispanics
because they're disproportionately poor, but it will be doing so
in a way that also helps the white poor, in
a way that addresses poverty as the thing to be addressed.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Okay, so that was part one. That's part of the discussion.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And then Sonny Houston decides she's going to directly attack him.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Listen to this.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Many in the black community believe that you are being
used as a pawn by the right and that you
were a Charlattan of sort. How do you respond to
those critics.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I don't think I've been co opted by anyone. I've
only voted twice, both for Democrats, although I'm an independent.
I would vote for a Republican, probably a non Trump Republican,
if they were compelling. I don't think there's any evidence
I've been co opted by anyone, and I think that
that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address
really the important conversations we're having here, and I think
(21:33):
it's better and it would be better for everyone if
we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I want to give you the opportunity to respond to this.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
I appreciate the criticism. I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
There's no evidence that I've been co opted by anyone.
I have an independent podcast, I work for CNN as
an analyst.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
I write for the Free Press.
Speaker 9 (21:52):
I'm independent in all of these endeavors, and no one
is paying me to say what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
I'm saying it because I feel it.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Okay, Can I just she's not only she's actually my
least favorite.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
At the table?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I will say, I agree with you, she's the worst.
She is she has become. She's super you know, just
sort of always takes the most entitled position. You know,
she's very, very smug with everybody all the time. I
was like, oh, I'm a lawyer, so I know more
than everybody. She's honestly, deeply unimpressive and not very bright.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But I'll just.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Say this, her whole thing there, and this is what
really bothered me of people are saying, no, she's saying it.
She's saying it. She's using this ploy on a show
where this gentleman is being very gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
By the way, Coleman Hughes.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
She's the one who is taking upon herself to say, well,
you know, everybody says you're a fraud in the black
community and that you've been co opted. So what do
you say to that? Like, first of all, I wish
she had gone. You know, that Pierre Poliev guy in Canada,
he should have been like, whoo who name and name?
You're the one who said.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It, you know, remember, just like Laise it out with
that guy.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
He should he should have forced her because because what
she's doing is hiding behind this, oh, this generic perception. No,
she clearly believes that too. And look, you know her,
she has a she has a child at Harvard. She's
a fan of racial preferences. I think she might think
that her career may have been helped by racial preferences.
And she is a female, minority, multi multimillionaire and still
(23:27):
thinks that life is really hard for her and she's
a victim, so she takes it personally. It's very obvious
from her analysis on that set to call somebody a
charlaton is a pretty significant attack, even if you put
it in someone else's voices. Remember, also, Sonny Hostin's ancestors
own slaves, remember we had that discussion where she found
out that actually she was the beneficiary of slavery having existed.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You could do this.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Do you think anybody who writes a controversial book or
not even controversial, a book that makes a political argument
that she likes, she has a moment to dive into
the argument or to do with what he writes about.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do you think that she would ever say to Ibram
x Kendy on that stage, for example, same kind of
issues written about. Do you think she'd say, you know,
people think that you're a hack who uses racial division
to unjustly enrich yourself with idiotic theories, and you're not
even a real public intellectual, like you're just spewing stuff
that other people have spewed and using race people say that,
(24:24):
do you think she would ever do that?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Of course or not? She doesn't say think she wouldn't
do it?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For Nicole Hanna Jones that also, I think it's interesting
how she is saying that he's this is this is
I think such an important point here. What identity politics
requires is that no one be able to speak out
on their own opinion irrespective of their race. And what
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she's saying to Coleman Hughes is, you basically aren't allowed
to have the opinions that you have because you're a
black man. And if you do have them, you can't
really believe them because you're just a tool of others.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Probably that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And also, I mean, would I would if I ever
consider that, I would say the world that or the
America that Sonny Houston and those who are left dislike
her want, is one in which the following they consider
to be just a Vietnamese immigrant comes to this country penniless, Okay,
And at no point in that penniless journey arriving here
(25:31):
looks at the parents. You know, they bring their child
with them. They are not beneficiaries of affirmative action. They
do not get government contracts. They are not, in fact
of ending discriminate against negatively in the higher education system.
Even though they don't speak English. They come here with nothing.
If you are the son of a black medical doctor,
(25:53):
you know, a black heart surgeon. If you are the
son of Ben Carson, for example, I don't know if
he has kids, Anonymous me, he probably does think he's
going to be he's yeah, well, you know, he's an
amazingly successful and well off guy, the son of somebody
whos accomplished, as Ben Carson in that situation, in Sonny
Austin's world, or any black Cardio Cratis, Malia and Sash Obama,
(26:14):
Melias Sasha bab right, perfect examples. It doesn't matter Milia
and Sasha Obama. Well they're Obama. So there's you know that,
there's like the political affirmative action that happens too for
famous Democrats. But point being, if you, if you're the
son of a black billionaire, you get the advantage of
going to going to apply to Harvard.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
As a black person.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And if you are a tenningless Vietnamese immigrant who comes
to America with nothing, and all he or she has
is hard work.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Harvard says to.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
You, sorry, too many of your kind applying. And Sonny Houston,
who is a millionaire with children who go to Harvard herself,
thinks that is justice. Why do you think she gets
so nasty about this, because ultimately she knows if the
argument were exposed, it's clearly unjust. People just want their stuff,
(27:06):
they want their special privileges. It has nothing to do
with what is fair. It has nothing to do with
what is constitutional. Clay Supreme Court's already ruled it is
unconstitutional to do what Sonny Hostin wants.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She doesn't care. She's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, No, I think it's really important here, And that's
why his better point that Sonny Houstin didn't address is
if you look at elite colleges, do you know who's
actually hugely underrepresented poor people? Because socioeconomics is actually what
(27:41):
keeps someone from oftentimes being able to go to an
elite college.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
If you want to tell me that somebody with two
parents who went to college and a house with a
household income of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or
more has an advantage over somebody from a single parent
household with a single parent not finishing high school and
a household income of forty grand and you win that
argument every time because you know, or rather I would
agree with that argument every time. Right, That is true.
(28:06):
The world in which Sunny Hostin the left one who
operate is it is the skin color or the ethnicity
of the individual that matters, not socioeconomic status, and that,
unfortunately is farcical, it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I would also build on this buck by saying
the person with the lower socioeconomics status, if they have
been able to elevate themselves closer to the person who
is the advantage socioeconomic status, I would argue that their
actual potential is far higher because they haven't been able
(28:40):
to unlock all of the advantages that someone else has.
Almost like a venture capital, if you're looking at individuals
and thinking, Okay, this person from a single parent household
to your point, who has a forty thousand dollars income,
they got let's say a thirteen hundred on the SAT.
Somebody with every advantage got thirteen sixty. Well, how much
(29:02):
higher could the SAT of thirteen one hundred go? How
much higher is their ceiling? Who would you rather invest
in the person who hasn't had the opportunity yet to
maximize their potential or the person who's had every advantage
and probably has already.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Gone as far as they can go.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It really to me, if you're trying to produce elite,
meritocratic individuals, you want to go with the guy or
gal who has the biggest possible ceiling, not the person
who's already maximized their ability thanks to their advantages.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
But again, the Sunny hoston argument on this and what
she was really just so nasty to Coleman Hughes about
is if you are a white kid from Appalachia who
has one parent and you grow up with you know,
you know, on welfare, you've had it easier than Obama's kids.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's that's the argument.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And for the purposes of college application, for the purposes
of hiring, you've had it easier, and for there should
be discrimination in favor of the latter and not the former.
That is the argument that she's because she is eliminating
economics as a factor in the disparity. It is only
about ethnicity, It is only about skin color.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It also then gets really crazy and super racist, right
because then you start asking, Okay, what percentage minority do
you have to be toccount as a minority for purposes
of applying to Harvard. Yes, if you have one grandparent
who is black, I bet you're applying as a black person.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I know someone who basically lied about being a Pacific
islander so she could get into Stanford and it worked.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah, she was one sixteenth. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Right, I mean it's like it's crazy, but you end
up back in the super racist if you have one
drop of black blood, then you are black world that
actually existed during slavery.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Elizabeth Warren got hired as a Harvard law professor pretending
to be a Cherokee.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
True, she's the whitest woman we've ever seen. You can't
get any whiter. And then cited her cheek bones as
evidence of her Native American heritage. And then what was
she one one, one thousand and sixty fourth or something.
She put out the genetic history like, oh, this proves
that I wasn't lying, and the data somebody looked up
(31:15):
with the percentage. I think it was like one of
one thousand and sixty four percent, and somebody said, that's
actually less CNN than the average white person has in
America today.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I was immediately on Twitter lighting up CNN Communications over
this because they were like, shit, it proves that I
was like, nope, it does not prove that Elizabeth Warren
as Native American.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Tom proved that you were idiots. And this is where
do you remember Sean King, the fake black guy on Twitter?
You know that guy?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, I told him I don't remember what the percentage
I said. I think twenty five percent that I would
give fifty thousand dollars to the charity of his choice
if he would take a DNA test to prove that
he was black. Did not take it up. But the
guy is just a white dude, I think pretending to
be black. He has a white white I mean he's
(32:02):
got red hair. You know.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
He look at the pictures of him when he was
a kid. He's at Kentucky white. My understanding is your
if your parents are white, then you are considered to
be white. So that is a good place to start with.
If both your parents are white, you're generally considered to
be a white sentter to be white generally.
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Speaker 6 (33:35):
We're closing up shop today on Clayanbuck and I am
very excited actually because I have my whole New York
City wing of the Sexton family coming on down today.
So I'm gonna be showing them around of the weekend
here in South Florida, and they're gonna we have my
little three year old nephew will be here, my sister,
brother in law, mom, dad, We got a whole squad
(33:57):
coming down. Should be a lot of fun. We're going
to get out on the airboats in the Everglades.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
That is super fun, just.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Because so Ryan, who is my little nephew, who is
you know, souper rambunctious but very very cute three years old.
He loves dinosaurs like that's dinosaurs and trucks, as I
understand it. For my sister, well, actually I can see
they're all over the floor of my sister's house. And
you know, dinosaurs and trucks are like the two favorite
(34:25):
things in the whole world. And so I've I've had
her explain to him that really the closest thing I
think you can get to seeing a dinosaur is to
see a big old, like eight nine foot long alligator,
you know what I mean. So we're going to take
him to see some some gators. Pretty awesome, Yeah, gators
in the swamp. You know, my mom has never seen
an alligator, so he's does. It's been a lot of
(34:45):
time in Florida, and when she does, it's, you know,
at like a hotel on the beach.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Not a lot of alligators running around.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I was obsessed and still am kind of with alligators
in general. Crocodiles. My kids are too. The airboat tour,
I think you're gonna love it. That's gonna be on one. Yeah,
we're looking forward to it should be really cool. Get
to some of your emails here. Let's say, first off,
will right, the teachers Union will never vote for a
Republican will correct check we can all agree on that one.
(35:15):
Bruce writes, Sam Bankman Freed stole over eight billion dollars
of customer assets. The only reason they're getting money back
is the crypto market has increased. He still stole money.
The recovery has nothing to do with the fraud. Play
lightning round. What do you say to this? I believe
that he borrowed money based on the assets that other
people had and then used it to place bets elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So I don't think he took the cash.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I think he used the cash as assets, which raises
the question how in the world was he given the
ability to do this? And I think one of his
defenses is that the lawyer signed off on all of this.
The larger picture here is it is very complicated, the
financial wranglings, the investments that he made, everything else, I
think he slopping. But if you don't lose any money ultimately,
(36:03):
I think this case is very strange.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Well twenty five years to me, that just feels like
if there's not actual financial losses still, that feels like
a long time to go away. Anyway, we got one
more here, Lloyd writes Clay, very easy to never get
a kidney stone again. Problem is you are not hydrating enough.
I'm a former operator from the Navy. I consume one
hundred and seventy to two hundred and fifty ounces of
liquid a day. You have to flush your kidneys. I'm
(36:28):
just trying to have.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It sounds like a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I drink a lot of water and have always drink
a lot of water, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Think that it is a lack of.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Fluidation that is causing my Lloyd also right in Buck,
A real man's dog is a malanoa.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Let me tell you something, Lloyd.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
I love malanoaw as much as the next guy. But
they call them malligators for a reason. Those guys are
they got big jaws. They're a lot to handle. They
got to have a dog our job rather as a dog,
so yeah, it's fine if you want to spend a
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
We bring in now, Carol Markowitz of the Carol Markowitz podcast,
and Carol, I actually want to start with a question
for you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I shared it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You write at the New York Post, but you also
have a substack, and you wrote kind of a long
form rumination about the conversations that Jews in America are
having in the wake of October seventh, and this has
been something that we've continued to talk about, the political
realignment to the extent that it has occurred in the
country among Jewish voters. What how would you assess the
(01:45):
mind of Jewish voters now? I read on the Sunday
New York Times had a huge article about the future
of Jews may not be traditionally with the Democrat Party
anymore because it's the kind of the theme of the
article was, it's a time for choosing. You can't necessarily
be a liberal and a Jewish supporter of liberalism, as
(02:07):
might well have been connected in the past, given the
amount of Democrats supporting Palestinians.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, well, hi, guys, thank you so much for having
me on. You know, I have been hoping that Jews
would move rightward for a long time. Because history didn't
begin on October seventh. Anti Semitism in America. It didn't
begin on October seventh. And what I've seen over the
last decade is it's all coming from the left. Yes.
(02:33):
Does the right have a couple of you know, frog
avatars on Twitter who say ridiculous things and target Jews,
of course, but they're all anonymous and really small accounts,
and they do it because they get a rise out
of people. It isn't people in Congress like the Democrats
have who are targeting Jews. So I have hoped for
a long time that the shift would happen. I think
(02:55):
it is happening, and I've seen it over the last
you know, two three four years happening. I think that
Jews went more than ever for Governor Ron DeSantis in
Florida the last time he ran for governor a year
and a half ago. They voted more for Donald Trump
than they had voted in the past. We're in like
the forties now percentage wise, and I think that if
(03:17):
you look at the numbers of the last mitt from elections,
I think it was the Jewish vote on Long Island
in New York that swung the House to Republicans. So
the times they are a changing, maybe not as fast
as I would like personally, but I'm seeing it anecdotally
all around. I'm seeing Democrats, you know, Jews who always
voted Democrat, really taking a good look at what that
(03:39):
means and that what they will do in the future.
I would hope that they would rethink a lot of
their political philosophy, like their support of things like DEI
should be the end here, but you know, it's hard
to get people to really rethink everything, and I hope
this is the first step right now.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Hey, Carol, appreciate you being with us. I wanted to
ask you about the situation in New York. It's really
two things coming together. One is you have Daniel Penny
facing trial and people are connecting this to you know,
just for review for everyone. He is the marine who
stepped in when an individual was threatening people on the
(04:16):
subway put him in a choke hold. That individual died
subsequently two being put in the choke hold. But that's happening.
But also women are randomly being punched on the streets
of New York City. There's been some press about this
down on Lower Manhattan. They're just getting punched in the
face by some stranger and some i think member of
the city council said, why aren't men doing something about this?
(04:38):
And you might have seen the tweets all saying because
you lock them up.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, well, yes, that's really it. Council Member Amanda Parius,
w's the majority Democrat council member on the New York
City Council, she said, where are the men calling this out? Well,
there were men calling this out, and there were men
who would be willing to step in between a woman
and a man trying punch. But after Daniel Penny got arrested,
(05:02):
I've heard from so many New Yorkers I'm not getting involved.
That's crazy. I'm not getting involved. I'm not risking my
life to protect other people on the subway. And the
thing about New York was that we always counted on
strangers stepping in. That was what made New York amazing.
I think after nine to eleven, everybody always wanted to
(05:22):
be a hero. And I think that what we've seen
is when you target the heroes, when you put them
in jail. When you have people like Daniel Penny who
were willing to risk their own lives to help a
train full of people, and you see him get arrested,
and you see him be charged. Why do it? Why
why would anybody do it? And I have to tell
you that I feel like a genius every day from
moving to Florida. New York is just cannot dig itself
(05:45):
out of this pandemic era slump that it's in. They
can't do the most rational same things. I feel so
sorry for the people in New York who are trying
to vote themselves to sanity, who do try to make
their city a better place because their face with the
Amanda Phariuses of the world, who do nothing to make
the city better and then complain about men not stepping.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
In Carol, what do you think We talked about it
a little bit earlier in this hour, but Ron DeSantis
basically spiking the football on disney front page by the
way of the New York Times and the Wall Street
Journal today as they're doing my pregame reading what's the
reaction you're down in Florida. Now you heard all the
(06:27):
people out there who said, oh, Disney's gonna win this.
Desantas has no leg to stand on, and then Disney
basically waves the white flag.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Is this over between DeSantis and Disney?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Is Disney trying to avoid the cultural battles or do
you think this is just a battle one for now,
but the war wages on.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, I think that this is the end. I think
that in the settlement, Disney, you know, agreed to dismiss
multiple lawsuits that they had, And I really do think
that this is I mean, I at least I should
hope so to me, I would really hope that this
is the beginning of sanity of Disney coming back to sanity.
Nobody wants to hate Disney, no, no, you know, I
grew up with Disney. All of us did, and we
(07:06):
all want to take our kids to Disney World, and
we want to do things like that. But Disney has
been sort of the enemy of families for the last
few years. And I hope that this ending, this ending
of the battle with Governor DeSantis, and this ending of
trying to trying to have their own, you know, really
creak improvement district. I really do hope that the company
(07:27):
realizes that they've made some serious errors and they reverse
themselves and they go back to the vision that Walt
Disney had a family friendly entertainment, not indoctrination, you know,
really wholesome things that are you can put the kids
on for the kids and just know that they're not
going to be indoctrinated by some crazy leftism. I hope
that this is the beginning of the road back for Disney.
(07:49):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
For Speaking of Carol Markwitz of the Carroll Markowitz Show,
you can listen to it on the Client Buck podcast network,
which so many of you are already doing. Would invite
you to join by subscribing. Download the iHeart radio app,
look at Clay and Buck. Subscribe Carol mark which show
will be right there. And Carol, I want you to
weigh in on something that got really I was surprised.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yesterday got a little bit heat. It got a little
bit controversial.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
People who are commenting that Travis Kelcey has a dad
boss and and and also I would say a lot
of people very critical of Taylor Swift in a bathing suit.
Clay was pointed out to me by Carrie. They invited
the photographers to take photos of them by Is this true?
They invited the photographers? Is that true?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Carrol?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is that I rescind All, like.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
If you choose, was flipping out. He thought he thought
they were like in Gillie suits, you know, like a sniper.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But with a camera.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, I don't think there should be secret photos taken
of people on vacation if they were not secret.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, okay, I don't know about the part about them
inviting them, you know, I don't know about the photographer part,
but the idea that those two people don't have good bodies,
like what lunacy are we living with on the internet?
I think people have really lost it. He's a football player,
she's in fantastic shape. I mean, just we've gotten to
(09:17):
where we're so used to these overfiltered bodies and faces.
We have no idea what people really look like anymore.
And I mean, come on, when Trevors Kelsey and Taylor
Swift are not good looking anymore, we've really lost it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, this is what I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
I mean, I think that social media in particular has
created and really I blame Instagram. You know, Facebook is
where you like, you know, show the jam preserves that
you're making and you know your grandchildren. Instagram is where
people put the Yeah, Instagram is where you put your
first trap.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Instagram, which is for those who don't know, that's when
ladies all of a sudden have like a photo of
them and very revealing clothing and they just see all
the comments. That's called the first trap. Or I guess
maybe Ginger when I hold her up that's a thirst
trap too. But anyway, but the truth here is that
I think people are losing sight of well, first of all,
what's important, but beyond that, what's normal. And i'd also say, Carol,
(10:14):
you know I think that you're I always think you
have interesting takes on aesthetics. I understand people can have
different views of things. I also think that plastic surgery,
maybe just because I live in Miami, it's just getting
completely out of control, though, And the people you see
in the media are also getting completely out We're not.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Talking about a little snip or a little you know,
change here or there.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Like everyone's walking around like they've got this plastic face
now full of all this puffed up stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Right, it's I do not like it, do not approve
at all. Yeah, that's really it, though. You it's the
fact that we're not seeing real faces on social media.
And you know, Facebook is the last place you could
see real faces. You could see your grandma's face.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
So yeah, I think people have forgotten what people really
look like.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So the data you've got I think three kids, I've
got three Carol when I don't think we've asked you
about this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But when you see the gap.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
In happiness between in America right now between people who
are sixty plus and people who are under thirty, how
do we fix that?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And a part of it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Is generational, but you know, people as they age tend
to get happier. But never in American history of anybody
living right now have people under the age of thirty
historically been as unhappy as people say they are under
thirty right now.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
How does it get fixed?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wild?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's so wild, And you know, they also have the
most that anybody has ever had in human history. They're
like the luckiest, most blessed, most correct, having these abundant lifestyles,
and they're unhappy. It is partly social media, absolutely, but
partly that they have no strife. They have nothing to
struggle again, so they invent problems for themselves. I mean
(11:55):
just the fact that so many of them don't sleep
at night because of climate change. They've been told to
worry about something that is ridiculous and they can't solve
and they should be getting a good night sleep and
not thinking about it at all. But like, these kids
are so lucky. I always say, you know, I don't
know my kids are going to turn out to be.
I can tell you they're not going to be Communists,
(12:15):
they're not going to be in America, and they're going
to feel lucky and blessed for their lives because I've
spent you know, their whole childhoods telling them about how
my life could have gone in the Soviet Union, how
my poor childhood in Brooklyn, how it's not like this
for everybody, and that they should feel lucky. Every day
I have them say thank you to military and police
(12:36):
environment when they see them. My kids are going to
be full of gratitude no matter what happens. That's really
my main goal.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Yeah, and I think that, Carol, increasingly, that the data
reflects that people who who approach life with gratitude but
also with a sense of purpose that is externalized, like
doing things for others, helping others. That I know that
it can sound like something that you'd get from like
a Hallmark after school special or whatever, but the data
(13:07):
about people's self reported happiness shows that the more you
externalize your purpose and get beyond say the narcissism of
Instagram filters and all the rest to bring a full
circle for a moment. The more likely one is to
continue to be happy and to feel good about their
day to day.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, having kids volunteer or really do good work is
so important. I think that we really overlook that we
give kids these easy lives that make them not appreciate
what they have. Again, I don't know, you know, I
don't know how my kids are going to turn out,
but I'm going to instill that they have to appreciate
everything they have, that they have to work for everything
(13:44):
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I gotta tell you, I was a little surprised to
see this, and I brought it up with Carol, and
I didn't think this was a huge news story by
any means, but the whole like Travis Kelcey being body
shamed and Taylor Swift too. I think I just sort
of see some of this down in Miami because there's
such an obsession with physique here and there's so much Honestly,
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X tweet on that six point eight million views, one
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on Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift, which you said, I
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and unfortunately I have not offended them.
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You may be the swifties favorite media person now. One
hundred and twenty three thousand likes for you defending Travis
Kelcey and his dad Bod, But I think it that's it.
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Look, dad Bod. Defense is a hill I will die
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I mean, I'm looking at the comments, and I do
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I saw a.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Discussion on the view. I know, I know, I watch
so you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Guy by the name of Coleman Hughes who has a
new book out saying that we are talking about race
incorrectly in this country and that we need to change
our discussion. And I want to play this for you
because Sonny Houstin who I would say regularly has among
the worst takes in anyone for anyone who is on
(19:38):
daily media attacked this author. I think Coleman Hughes in
his twenties, relatively young guy listen to I want to
play a couple of these cuts and let you guys
hear him. I give credit to the View for actually
having a discussion, being willing to have this author on,
but I do think it represents two different views of
how the world should be. Listen to cut twenty six
(20:00):
yere this is Coleman Hughes Sonny Houstin on the View.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Your argument that race has no place in that equation
is really fundamentally flawed.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
No, well, there's two separate questions. One is whether each
racial group is socioeconomically the same that I agree with
you they're not.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
So yeah, of course I agree with that fully.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
The question is how do you address that in the
way that actually targets poverty the best rate. And what
Martin Luther King wrote in his book Why We Can't
Wait is he called it, we need a bill of
rights for the disadvantage, And he said, yes, we should
address racial inequality, Yes we should address the legacy of slavery.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
But the way to do that is on the basis.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
Of class, and that will disproportionately target Blacks and Hispanics
because they're disproportionately poor, but it will be doing so
in a way that also helps the white poor, in
a way that addresses poverty as the thing to be addressed.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Okay, so that was part one. That's part of the discussion.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And then Sonny Houston decides she's going to directly attack him.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Listen to this.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
Many in the black community believe that you are being
used as a pawn by the right and that you
were a Charlattan of sort. How do you respond to
those critics.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I don't think I've been co opted by anyone. I've
only voted twice, both for Democrats, although I'm an independent.
I would vote for a Republican, probably a non Trump Republican,
if they were compelling. I don't think there's any evidence
I've been co opted by anyone, and I think that
that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address
really the important conversations we're having here, and I think
(21:33):
it's better and it would be better for everyone if
we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
I want to give you the opportunity to respond to this.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
I appreciate the criticism. I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
There's no evidence that I've been co opted by anyone.
I have an independent podcast, I work for CNN as
an analyst.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
I write for the Free Press.
Speaker 9 (21:52):
I'm independent in all of these endeavors, and no one
is paying me to say what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
I'm saying it because I feel it.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Okay, Can I just she's not only she's actually my
least favorite.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
At the table?
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I will say, I agree with you, she's the worst.
She is she has become. She's super you know, just
sort of always takes the most entitled position. You know,
she's very, very smug with everybody all the time. I
was like, oh, I'm a lawyer, so I know more
than everybody. She's honestly, deeply unimpressive and not very bright.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
But I'll just.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Say this, her whole thing there, and this is what
really bothered me of people are saying, no, she's saying it.
She's saying it. She's using this ploy on a show
where this gentleman is being very gentlemanly.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
By the way, Coleman Hughes.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
She's the one who is taking upon herself to say, well,
you know, everybody says you're a fraud in the black
community and that you've been co opted. So what do
you say to that? Like, first of all, I wish
she had gone. You know, that Pierre Poliev guy in Canada,
he should have been like, whoo who name and name?
You're the one who said.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It, you know, remember, just like Laise it out with
that guy.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
He should he should have forced her because because what
she's doing is hiding behind this, oh, this generic perception. No,
she clearly believes that too. And look, you know her,
she has a she has a child at Harvard. She's
a fan of racial preferences. I think she might think
that her career may have been helped by racial preferences.
And she is a female, minority, multi multimillionaire and still
(23:27):
thinks that life is really hard for her and she's
a victim, so she takes it personally. It's very obvious
from her analysis on that set to call somebody a
charlaton is a pretty significant attack, even if you put
it in someone else's voices. Remember, also, Sonny Hostin's ancestors
own slaves, remember we had that discussion where she found
out that actually she was the beneficiary of slavery having existed.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You could do this.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Do you think anybody who writes a controversial book or
not even controversial, a book that makes a political argument
that she likes, she has a moment to dive into
the argument or to do with what he writes about.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
Do you think that she would ever say to Ibram
x Kendy on that stage, for example, same kind of
issues written about. Do you think she'd say, you know,
people think that you're a hack who uses racial division
to unjustly enrich yourself with idiotic theories, and you're not
even a real public intellectual, like you're just spewing stuff
that other people have spewed and using race people say that,
(24:24):
do you think she would ever do that?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Of course or not? She doesn't say think she wouldn't
do it?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
For Nicole Hanna Jones that also, I think it's interesting
how she is saying that he's this is this is
I think such an important point here. What identity politics
requires is that no one be able to speak out
on their own opinion irrespective of their race. And what
(24:49):
she's saying to Coleman Hughes is, you basically aren't allowed
to have the opinions that you have because you're a
black man. And if you do have them, you can't
really believe them because you're just a tool of others.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Probably that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And also, I mean, would I would if I ever
consider that, I would say the world that or the
America that Sonny Houston and those who are left dislike
her want, is one in which the following they consider
to be just a Vietnamese immigrant comes to this country penniless, Okay,
And at no point in that penniless journey arriving here
(25:31):
looks at the parents. You know, they bring their child
with them. They are not beneficiaries of affirmative action. They
do not get government contracts. They are not, in fact
of ending discriminate against negatively in the higher education system.
Even though they don't speak English. They come here with nothing.
If you are the son of a black medical doctor,
(25:53):
you know, a black heart surgeon. If you are the
son of Ben Carson, for example, I don't know if
he has kids, Anonymous me, he probably does think he's
going to be he's yeah, well, you know, he's an
amazingly successful and well off guy, the son of somebody
whos accomplished, as Ben Carson in that situation, in Sonny
Austin's world, or any black Cardio Cratis, Malia and Sash Obama,
(26:14):
Melias Sasha bab right, perfect examples. It doesn't matter Milia
and Sasha Obama. Well they're Obama. So there's you know that,
there's like the political affirmative action that happens too for
famous Democrats. But point being, if you, if you're the
son of a black billionaire, you get the advantage of
going to going to apply to Harvard.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
As a black person.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And if you are a tenningless Vietnamese immigrant who comes
to America with nothing, and all he or she has
is hard work.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Harvard says to.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
You, sorry, too many of your kind applying. And Sonny Houston,
who is a millionaire with children who go to Harvard herself,
thinks that is justice. Why do you think she gets
so nasty about this, because ultimately she knows if the
argument were exposed, it's clearly unjust. People just want their stuff,
(27:06):
they want their special privileges. It has nothing to do
with what is fair. It has nothing to do with
what is constitutional. Clay Supreme Court's already ruled it is
unconstitutional to do what Sonny Hostin wants.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She doesn't care. She's a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, No, I think it's really important here, And that's
why his better point that Sonny Houstin didn't address is
if you look at elite colleges, do you know who's
actually hugely underrepresented poor people? Because socioeconomics is actually what
(27:41):
keeps someone from oftentimes being able to go to an
elite college.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
If you want to tell me that somebody with two
parents who went to college and a house with a
household income of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or
more has an advantage over somebody from a single parent
household with a single parent not finishing high school and
a household income of forty grand and you win that
argument every time because you know, or rather I would
agree with that argument every time. Right, That is true.
(28:06):
The world in which Sunny Hostin the left one who
operate is it is the skin color or the ethnicity
of the individual that matters, not socioeconomic status, and that,
unfortunately is farcical, it's absurd.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And I would also build on this buck by saying
the person with the lower socioeconomics status, if they have
been able to elevate themselves closer to the person who
is the advantage socioeconomic status, I would argue that their
actual potential is far higher because they haven't been able
(28:40):
to unlock all of the advantages that someone else has.
Almost like a venture capital, if you're looking at individuals
and thinking, Okay, this person from a single parent household
to your point, who has a forty thousand dollars income,
they got let's say a thirteen hundred on the SAT.
Somebody with every advantage got thirteen sixty. Well, how much
(29:02):
higher could the SAT of thirteen one hundred go? How
much higher is their ceiling? Who would you rather invest
in the person who hasn't had the opportunity yet to
maximize their potential or the person who's had every advantage
and probably has already.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Gone as far as they can go.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It really to me, if you're trying to produce elite,
meritocratic individuals, you want to go with the guy or
gal who has the biggest possible ceiling, not the person
who's already maximized their ability thanks to their advantages.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
But again, the Sunny hoston argument on this and what
she was really just so nasty to Coleman Hughes about
is if you are a white kid from Appalachia who
has one parent and you grow up with you know,
you know, on welfare, you've had it easier than Obama's kids.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's that's the argument.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
And for the purposes of college application, for the purposes
of hiring, you've had it easier, and for there should
be discrimination in favor of the latter and not the former.
That is the argument that she's because she is eliminating
economics as a factor in the disparity. It is only
about ethnicity, It is only about skin color.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It also then gets really crazy and super racist, right
because then you start asking, Okay, what percentage minority do
you have to be toccount as a minority for purposes
of applying to Harvard. Yes, if you have one grandparent
who is black, I bet you're applying as a black person.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
I know someone who basically lied about being a Pacific
islander so she could get into Stanford and it worked.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah, she was one sixteenth. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Right, I mean it's like it's crazy, but you end
up back in the super racist if you have one
drop of black blood, then you are black world that
actually existed during slavery.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Elizabeth Warren got hired as a Harvard law professor pretending
to be a Cherokee.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
True, she's the whitest woman we've ever seen. You can't
get any whiter. And then cited her cheek bones as
evidence of her Native American heritage. And then what was
she one one, one thousand and sixty fourth or something.
She put out the genetic history like, oh, this proves
that I wasn't lying, and the data somebody looked up
(31:15):
with the percentage. I think it was like one of
one thousand and sixty four percent, and somebody said, that's
actually less CNN than the average white person has in
America today.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I was immediately on Twitter lighting up CNN Communications over
this because they were like, shit, it proves that I
was like, nope, it does not prove that Elizabeth Warren
as Native American.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Tom proved that you were idiots. And this is where
do you remember Sean King, the fake black guy on Twitter?
You know that guy?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, I told him I don't remember what the percentage
I said. I think twenty five percent that I would
give fifty thousand dollars to the charity of his choice
if he would take a DNA test to prove that
he was black. Did not take it up. But the
guy is just a white dude, I think pretending to
be black. He has a white white I mean he's
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Speaker 6 (32:03):
He look at the pictures of him when he was
a kid. He's at Kentucky white. My understanding is your
if your parents are white, then you are considered to
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If both your parents are white, you're generally considered to
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We're closing up shop today on Clayanbuck and I am
very excited actually because I have my whole New York
City wing of the Sexton family coming on down today.
So I'm gonna be showing them around of the weekend
here in South Florida, and they're gonna we have my
little three year old nephew will be here, my sister,
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coming down. Should be a lot of fun. We're going
to get out on the airboats in the Everglades.
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That is super fun, just.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Because so Ryan, who is my little nephew, who is
you know, souper rambunctious but very very cute three years old.
He loves dinosaurs like that's dinosaurs and trucks, as I
understand it. For my sister, well, actually I can see
they're all over the floor of my sister's house. And
you know, dinosaurs and trucks are like the two favorite
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her explain to him that really the closest thing I
think you can get to seeing a dinosaur is to
see a big old, like eight nine foot long alligator,
you know what I mean. So we're going to take
him to see some some gators. Pretty awesome, Yeah, gators
in the swamp. You know, my mom has never seen
an alligator, so he's does. It's been a lot of
(34:45):
time in Florida, and when she does, it's, you know,
at like a hotel on the beach.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Not a lot of alligators running around.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I was obsessed and still am kind of with alligators
in general. Crocodiles. My kids are too. The airboat tour,
I think you're gonna love it. That's gonna be on one. Yeah,
we're looking forward to it should be really cool. Get
to some of your emails here. Let's say, first off,
will right, the teachers Union will never vote for a
Republican will correct check we can all agree on that one.
(35:15):
Bruce writes, Sam Bankman Freed stole over eight billion dollars
of customer assets. The only reason they're getting money back
is the crypto market has increased. He still stole money.
The recovery has nothing to do with the fraud. Play
lightning round. What do you say to this? I believe
that he borrowed money based on the assets that other
people had and then used it to place bets elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So I don't think he took the cash.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I think he used the cash as assets, which raises
the question how in the world was he given the
ability to do this? And I think one of his
defenses is that the lawyer signed off on all of this.
The larger picture here is it is very complicated, the
financial wranglings, the investments that he made, everything else, I
think he slopping. But if you don't lose any money ultimately,
(36:03):
I think this case is very strange.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Well twenty five years to me, that just feels like
if there's not actual financial losses still, that feels like
a long time to go away. Anyway, we got one
more here, Lloyd writes Clay, very easy to never get
a kidney stone again. Problem is you are not hydrating enough.
I'm a former operator from the Navy. I consume one
hundred and seventy to two hundred and fifty ounces of
liquid a day. You have to flush your kidneys. I'm
(36:28):
just trying to have.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It sounds like a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I drink a lot of water and have always drink
a lot of water, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Think that it is a lack of.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Fluidation that is causing my Lloyd also right in Buck,
A real man's dog is a malanoa.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Let me tell you something, Lloyd.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
I love malanoaw as much as the next guy. But
they call them malligators for a reason. Those guys are
they got big jaws. They're a lot to handle. They
got to have a dog our job rather as a dog,
so yeah, it's fine if you want to spend a
lot of time training your dog
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