September 23, 2024 • 36 mins
Letter from second Trump would-be assassin released, encouraging others to kill Trump if he failed. VIP emails from early voters. Karol Markowicz and Mary Katharine Ham join Clay and Buck to discuss their new show, "Normally," on the C&B Podcast Network. VIP emails. Will GOP change Omaha rule?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Bucks strunts right now, everybody, thank
you for being with us, for joining. We're just tuning
in now. We've got a lot to get to. Our
good friend Carol Markowitz bottom of this hour, launching a
new podcast. You want to tell you about that normally
and it's two moms, two conservative moms talking about life
(00:21):
and politics and everything. Mary Catherine Ham is your co
host on that. We think it's going to do great,
so please stick around for that conversation. We've got a
lot of the numbers coming into the polling first hour.
Spend quite a bit of time on that with a
deep dive. Wanted to return to something you're not seeing
a lot of in the media, and that is more
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coverage and follow up to the second assassination attempt on
Donald Trump. It is not an apparent assassination attempt, as
they were saying for days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
This guy in.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Every sense, wanted to kill President Trump, prepared to do it,
the means to do it, and then planned the whole
thing out, plotted it out, waited twelve hours on that
golf course and managed to figure out where Trump would be.
I mean, it's scary. I know that, you know our sense,
you know, Clay, I just want to put this in context.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Because Trump took a bullet.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
In the ear and there were multiple rounds fired around
his head and somebody was killed, as we know at
that rally. Our sense of this attack is that this
is kind of substantially less of a threat.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I think that's just that's just the way it goes, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But it's a.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Little bit like we almost got hit by a freight
train and then we almost got hit by a truck
on the sidewalk, you know, going sixty miles an hour,
and you're like, well, it wasn't at least it wasn't
a freight train, right. Our sense, what I mean is
the second assassination attempt on Trump would have been by
far the most dangerous attempt on a presidential candidate and
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former president since Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Alone.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Like the second attempt, people I think are a little
more like, oh, well, you know, at least he didn't
get shot, because he did in the first one. This
was dangerously close to more shots being fired at President Trump.
We have some additional information on this. I think I
said last week when I looked at the photo in New
York Post that it's an SKS rifle that has been confirmed,
(02:21):
so it's a semi automatic SKS rifle, had a detachable
curved magazine, had a scope added to it for longer
range shooting fires a seven six ' two round This
would were absolutely sufficient for somebody who was trying to
conduct some kind of an assassination attempt to have this
rifle under these circumstances. So the guy knew at least
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what he was doing with regard to that, which makes
him a greater threat. New to find cover or concealment,
and even a degree of cover by setting up these
plates ceramic bulletproof plates not really bulletproof, but you know,
bullet resistant. You could say plates in bad And we also,
Clay have the note that he wrote, dear world, I
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mean to talk to us. You said this to move
over the weekend. Yeah, this guy really thought that he
was going to become a global hero by assassinating a
former and likely future US president.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So this letter was released officially I think early this morning,
late last night, and it is from the would be assassin,
and I think to your point, it's very important that
we recognize this the one attempt in Butler, PA, because
it was on film, and because Trump was hit, struck
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people in a way that it was impossible to ignore.
I think a lot of people who are casual followers
of the news aren't even aware that this guy would
have been camped out for twelve hours beside the golf course,
and that he had a go pro, and that he
was prepared to film himself, and that he was saying
that he needed to kill Trump because Joe Biden in
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common Harris, convinced him that Trump was a direct threat
against democracy. But what strikes me, Buck, and I'm curious
what your analysis of this would be. The guy says
in the letter that if he fails, he will pay
someone one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to kill Trump. Now,
this guy's clearly crazy. This would be assassin. The second
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would be assassin one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He
doesn't have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But it's
not like he said, I'll give you fifteen million or
one hundred and fifty million. It's very strange one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. But why did they publish this letter,
and the reason why I ask that question is we
(04:44):
frequently are told, for instance, with the transshooter Manifesto in
the state of Tennessee where I'm from in Nashville, it
still hasn't been officially published, and the FBI and authority said, well,
we don't want to encourage another round of shooting based
on some of the things that were written in this
(05:05):
Trans manifesto. Right, that's the logic by which they chose
not to publish it. How just putting a letter out
where a guy puts a bounty on Trump's head and
encourages other people to kill him, how does that follow
the logic of not releasing the Trans manifesto. Because what
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I would argue Buck is there isn't a consistent principle here.
If your position is, hey, these crazy manifestos, these crazy letters,
were always going to publish them, like they published the
guy who shot up the grocery store in El Paso, Texas.
Remember his manifesto got out. They eventually published the unibomber's manifesto.
(05:47):
What seems to me to be the standard that's being
applied here, And tell me what I'm missing, And I'm
by the way, eight hundred and two eight two two
eight A two you guys, maybe I'm missing something here.
You guys can analyze. How could you justify not publishing
the trans manifesto because you said you were concerned that
it would encourage additional shootings, but you do publish the
(06:08):
second would be Assassin's letter where he says somebody else
needs to kill Trump if he can't, and I'll give
you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if you do it.
Either publish everything from crazy people or publish nothing from
crazy people. I don't understand the logic of publishing this
one and not publishing the trans shooter You got you
got my entente here?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I think there is no logic other than
they didn't want people to be focused on a transshooter
who was upset about what she believed to be anti
trans policy, So they just made this one off exception.
It's the notion that we're not going to release information
that is pertinent to not only an investigation, but an
(06:47):
issue of public safety and public security. In motive, of course,
this was a one and done, or at least one
and done for this situation rule that they came up with.
They had no intention of the the the rationale behind
keeping the trans trans Terrorists Manifesto secret would not be
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applied by the people using it to any other circumstance
that did not involve another trans terrorist, you know what
I mean. Yeah, So, so they never thought that they
were They were never acting on principle. It was just
political favoritism. And then they try to after the fact
justified in this way. But but what you say with
this guy is, look, I mean a lot of the
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arguments that he makes here are the arguments that they
have foreign policy experts making on you know, Mourning Joe,
which is you know, this is he's a threat to
the world. I'm doing this for the world.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
This guy was obsessed with Ukraine. I mean, you know,
you see that if you have convinced enough people, enough
people that Donald Trump is a unique threat to end
the Republic and to the war to the global order.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Part of this that we don't talk about because we're
emotionally stable people. Klana are emostly stable, happy people who
try to live in reality like you, which is why
all of you are listening to the show. We're emotionally stable,
overwhelmingly happy people that love our country and want what's
best for ourselves and our families and our neighbors. Right,
a lot of leftists are lunatics. They honestly have a
(08:15):
mental instability that is either exacerbated or caused by their
chosen politics.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We can argue about which one of those it really is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They've been saying, not only is Trump a threat to
the Republic Clay that that he's going to let dictators,
whether it's Putin or North Korea's Kim Jong un, do
whatever they want, destabilize the world order and lead to
nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I mean, this is the argument.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
This is the event which I know, it's like it's
going in deep into the rabbit hole and going into
crazy town. Trump is the guy who keeps us out
of wars, but they argue that he's actually a threat
of massive wards. You know what I'm saying, And that's
part of their whole logic.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
If the goal of I really can't get around releasing
this letter other than trying to encourage someone else to
kill Trump. I really can't. I mean you, I think
everybody knows what the motive was of the guy who
showed up to kill Trump. He wanted to kill Trump.
So I'm not persuaded that this letter changes anything in
(09:19):
terms of the motive. And again I don't understand why
publishing it but for the encouragement of other crazy people
to try to kill Trump. What the purpose of this
would be otherwise?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, And also he wrote in this or rather they've
they've done some investigation of his social media footprint everything else.
He was looking for how to get from Florida to Mexico,
which I don't know if I were, you know, if
you're if you're thinking about where you would try to
escape the US. First of all, you'd want to get
to a non extradition or a country that has a
(09:54):
history of refusing extraditions before. But for do you know
what some of the I know, I know, you know
this is a kind of a specialized area flow. Do
you know what some of the non extradition countries out
there are?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Partly because we talked about it last night at our
fancy state dinner, you knew more about this than I did.
A lot of the countries that are non extraditable countries
are not places that you would want to live. North Korea,
I'm not going to small not on the list.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
What else do we a China?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Which I mean yes, advanced, but I don't think you're
gonna have a great time living in China. I don't
think they would like me very much, and they might.
They might decide to just turn you over anyway. They
won't turn over a Chinese national though. Belarus and Russia.
You gotta like the cold, then you gotta like vodka.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, of those lists, I guess Russia would be
the best.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, there's there's more. I you know, I've been to Vietnam.
Vietnam's actually very I think you know, they didn't have
extra according to I just did a Google search, so
we can blame you know, blame doctor Google if this
is wrong. But Vietnam I don't think has has a
formal extradition country. There are a few Iran around.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I don't think you start to look at this like where.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Would Afghanistan in Not going to Afghanistan, yep, that's not
that's not agree in the Taliban. I don't think we
would get along. Well, not going to have a great time.
There are some other Gulf states in the Middle least.
But the point is, if you're trying to go full
on non extradition, you have very limited options.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And also it's hard to get there. A lot of
these countries you can't even fly into.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Now, yeah, Lebanon is yeah, Lebanon, no has that's going
to be rough.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, that's where the guy from who was the CEO
right of the car company fled to Beirut, right because
there was no extra diable. That's I think they put
him in the carry case right out of Japan. Yes,
that's fine, and that is one. Yeah, that is one.
I remember that he had done the specific research. Now
I think he was also a Lebanese citizen, the guy
(11:43):
who was So that's what makes a huge geft there,
whether they let you right, whether they let.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You into the country out anyway this guy was trying.
The point here is that this guy knew what he
was doing, set up to do it, had the equipment
to do it, had scoped out where he where he
thought Trump would be, was at a location where Trump
was going to be vulnerable. Got away initially. I mean,
I bring this up because it's not unthinkable that this
guy could have gotten from Florida to an island in
(12:09):
the Caribbean to Cuba where I don't know, you know,
I don't know if he get turned. I probably wouldn't
get turned over. I think they technically have an extradition
treaty with the US, but they don't honor it anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean, you get a lawyer on who knows about
extra territorial law. But the point here, Clay, is this
was a like I said, this would have been the
most dangerous, most serious assassination attempt on a president since
Ronald Reagan got shot.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
In the eighties.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And this was the second most dangerous attack against Trump
in the last two months, and it barely got twenty
four hours of coverage. And now to me, it feels
like they're further incentivizing assassination attempts by publishing this guy's letter,
which included a charge, a challenge, an offer of one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars if someone were able to
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complete the job of assassinating Trump, which he didn't do.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Again, what is the logic here? I would just like
it to be applied consistently. It's too dangerous to get
the trans manifesto, shooters information and words out there, but
this one immediately gets released. I I don't get it.
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this week. We're going to talk with them in just
a moment. Lots of people out there weighing in, many
of you starting to vote. I'm actually curious if you're
(14:54):
a VIP, share the experience that you have if you
go vote early. Milton Right, Hey, guys, my wife and
I went and did early voting in our county in Virginia,
just outside of Roanoke. Place was packed with a good
mixture of ages. In fact, they made people stay outside
the voting office let us in two by two. It
(15:15):
was great to see. Thanks for preaching for us to
do this. I thought that was super interesting. Doug writes
in I have a handful of adult children and my
wife always claim they're going to vote on election day.
But guess what. Something always keeps up and happens and
keeps them from going. Yes, because things happen, Life happens,
(15:38):
So I'm taking them early. I always tell them how
I'm voting and why. But this is your one true
freedom and your vote where your heart is I support
the fact more than who you vote for. But I agree,
get out early. Get out early, especially if you can
vote in person like I cam, or you walk in,
(15:58):
you go in the same voting booth that is going
to exist on election day. Buck. You know what's kind
of disappointing. Some people will pull up on election day.
They'll see that there's a long line, and they will
think to themselves, I don't have forty five minutes. I
don't have an hour. One thing you can do is
kind of keep in mind when the early voting dates
are for you. I do this in the past. I have.
(16:20):
You can drive by and see when the lines are
not so bad. Maybe on a lunch break you can
run in. Again, I'm voting early. You're voting early if
you want Trump to win. We are encouraging all of
you to get out and vote early so that all
of the less high propensity voters can be focused on.
It's going to be close, particularly if you're in one
(16:41):
of those battlegrounds we mentioned earlier. Buck, remember what happened
to Maricopa County. We got a monster audience of you
guys listening in Phoenix. I don't have to tell all
of you. But you know what happened. Republicans overwhelmingly show
up in Maricopa County, which is a huge population center
of the Phoenix area of Arizona. To say the elections,
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they had a bunch of glitches on election day. You
can eliminate that. You can also free it up for
the people who are going on that day. Get out,
get your ballot in as early as you possibly can.
For President Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know, one thing we haven't talked about much yet,
but we will be talking about it more. There's a
pretty good chance that we're not going to have a
result on election night ever, correct, just be prepared for that.
It's I would I would even go so I think
it's likely. Do you think it's likely. I think it's
a better than fifty to fifty shot that I still
think Trump's going to win. But some of these some
(17:37):
of these states, I mean, is Pennsylvania gonna be able
to get a final tally in election night if it's
super close?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm going to rely on every state that you know
you can trust. Florida in particular, to me, Florida is
going to be an early sort of judge of how
things are going for Trump. He needs to win by
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Welcome back in. We have Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine
(19:03):
Ham joining us now to talk about the launch of
their new podcast, which they're hosting together Normally. And my understanding, ladies,
and I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
We'll start with you Carol. We'll get to you Mary
in a second.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
My understanding is you're going to talk about stuff, it's
not just politics, and a lot of the moms listening
across America will want to hear what you guys have
to say.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome,
you know, Clay S Best Release, the childlest Cat people
are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast. It's going
to be normal conversation from normal people, from normal people,
and that's that's our goal there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I think it is super important and we're excited to
have this debut tomorrow as part of the Clay and
Buck podcast Network. Mary Katherine Ham, I'll bring you in
and I would encourage you guys to follow Carol Markowitz
and Mary Katherine Ham on social media because I think
you guys are really good and enjoy these conversations. I've
talked with both of you guys, and I feel like
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the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in terms of just
sort of the common sense universe. I think Megan Kelly
has done a good job speaking to moms out there,
and to Carrol's point, when to talk you guys are
talking to everybody, but as I think collectively the moms
of seven kids, I think I got that right. You
can correct me if I'm wrong on the on the
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numbers there, what do you think is not being shared
and what audience do you think is not really being
reflected in media? Do you buy into to that my
thesis there?
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Yeah, I think that, Look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
(21:00):
And I joke that we're sort of Normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normy, because we pay a lot of
attention to the news, but we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues, these are all things that moms, suburban
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women care about, right. It's a really important demo, and
there is some attempt to speak to it. Child Care
costs is another thing, But I think people get so
bogged down in the regular politics of the day and
are not able to just have a conversation with otherwise
normy moms about things that are affecting their lives. So
we hope that we can do that and sort of
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filter out some of the heightened emotion that many cable
news outlets bring to the table, which I had to
deal with when I was at CNN, and just like,
let's actually examine these things, you know, Carol.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Over the weekend I was seeing I saw a few
different friends here in South Florida, and it's funny because
you know what they all are talking about, not so
much the election.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They're all talking about how puff daddy he did.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He Sean Combe is in prison and being held, you know,
without bail until until his trial, and I can't even
really say on the radio, like, what's in all of
these articles because of some of the material and stuff
that they have found, But do you find that this
here's the sort of the thesis that was being brought up
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to me speaking of, like what more normal folks are
innsidered in other than just the polls, is that Sean
Combs isn't just a guy who made a lot of
money in the music industry. He was celebrated by name
somebody who's really big and powerful in the culture and
in politics in this country. And yet he had been
arrested or almost arrested, I should say almost arrested, but
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alleged to have been involved in crimes many many times
over the years. What does this say about the culture
that this guy was able to get away with what
he got away with as long as he did, And
now all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never
seen him before. He was like sitting at Anna Winter's
table at the met galer For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, well it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And this time.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
It's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about P Diddy that this is new information you have
presented me with. It's an interesting story because he has
been so in the limelight for so long. I mean,
I see him as the guy who ruined many Biggie
Small's albums by inserting his into all of his songs.
He is somebody who put you know, a lot of
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young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a lot
of people who owe him, so it's interesting to watch
his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in passing
with the story of the gun and the club with
Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another rapper,
Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor always
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was that P Diddy paid him a million dollars for it.
All of this kind of stuff has been around for
a long time, so it's interesting to watch him actually
get kind of pegged on.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
This interesting choice of words. Mary Catherine Buck and I
were talking last night at dinner that based on what
happened to Epstein, the puff Daddy story, P Diddy, whatever
you want to call him, it feels very Epstein esque
and whatever you think, the idea that Epstein in an
area that's supposed to be super secure, the video is
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not running, the security guard falls asleep, suddenly he kills himself.
There were a lot of allegations about video and who
was involved. It seems like there are potentially a ton
of celebrities involved. Oh, they're not giving Diddy a bail.
Do you see an overlap here potentially with Epstein and
Diddy in terms of maybe what happened to Epstein, but
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also the celebrity involved and maybe some different blackmail involved also.
I mean, I see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting. So I got to steal
myself for that. Two Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Natti,
also a great mom of three, called it Epstein for
millennials because we know all these figures. And one thing
on the mom front that strikes me about all these
stories is particularly with celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can
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singers and the like. You know, Usher was friends with
Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Bibs in there.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Doing stuff with I'm very young, and that worries me
and it makes me think for my for my front
talking to my kids about like why can't we be
on YouTube? And it's like, well, this is why you
will never have a path to any mogul's house ever
while you are in my care. And I think that's
something that lights up for people in this demographic when
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you look at these types of stories. And to Carol's point,
one of the things we'd like to talk about on
the podcast is things that everyone did know that the
media ignores for two years until they can safely tell
the story later. That is messed up to me. It's
something that normal people clock early, but the elites will
not sort of let it be talked about, and I
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think that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Speaking to Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow right now,
So now is a great time to subscribe to the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We also have Jan Parnell
and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours who are
doing great shows. But this normally show getting a lot
(26:48):
of hype online. Some people are saying Clay probably going
to be amazing, probably going to sit download records, and Carrol,
I feel like this is also part of a broader
conver station, which is I understand that people can say like,
oh like, don't subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in
the culture if it's going to be left wing and
all this other stuff, But there also needs to be
(27:10):
a culture for normal people, right. It can't just be
walling yourself off from whether it's like the Sean Combe
p Diddy stuff of the world that's in the news
cycle and you know, not wanting to be you know,
have that enter your consciousness. But also we have to
create content.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Of our own.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Again this is not to flatter you guys, but I
think that you guys do this so well where you
speak to normal people and they feel like they know you,
and they feel like you guys are friends, and you're
not screaming at them, we're saying crazy things where you know,
we're going to take a page out of that book
and hopefully do the same on normally for you know,
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a similar audience. So I love what you guys do,
and I think that that is exactly right. We need
to engage people on the right in culture, and we
need to have conversations, and we need to produce content
and we need to do all of that and not
just leave them kind of hanging and say, you know,
boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normal normally, to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(28:32):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State, who both got absolutely obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
(28:52):
What's going to happen Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that quote unquote the normal football fan of America,
which I think it's fair to say Kamala try to
appeal to with walls, is going to break Trump pretty
significantly over. Kamala. I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
(29:29):
they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block right
of huge football fans. That's why Trump is going to
try to go to this game. Is is he's still going?
I think they were working.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah. My understanding is he's going to be there. Yes,
my understanding is they going to He's going to be
in the stadium. He's going to be at this game,
which is, for those of you who are not football fans,
the biggest college football game of the year so far.
It's going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
And as far as what's going to have, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it. I will be at my
house cozy, trying to deal with my nerves. We have
a bit of a we have a great program under
Kurby Smart and a little bit of a mental block
(30:20):
for many years with taking on Alabama almost every time
we take them on, so I'm always concerned.
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Shlaves biography specifically, because it's just the truth of his life.
You know, there wasn't a huge war. I mean, there
wasn't like and it wasn't a great depression. You're reading
a biography about a guy who.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Did a good job.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The country was prosperous, and he didn't mess a lot
of things up. And while it's great, it's also you
know what I'm saying, It's not like there's not high
drama in Coolidge's life. I mean, I think the Schle's
biography is the best biography of Coolidge out there. But yes,
I've read that. That's excellent. The Totus biography of Pavlov.
Pavlov is fascinating. We'll talk about that another time. Trying
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I've got the Washington and the Grant biographies by Churnout.
Those are both I bet like half this audience has
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on whether he will change the rules to allow the
state to be won by only one person. After deep consideration,
it's clear to me that right now, forty three days
from election day, is not the moment to make the change.
Buck Democrats would have done it. I'm just gonna say,
(36:14):
if they had an electoral vote at stake and they
thought it might decide the presidency, they would have flipped
it and omaha, k fab listeners, you guys may hold
the presidency still in your hands. It's going to be
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lost it in twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I all I can say about this is Republicans do
have this, unfortunately, this residual desire to lose gracefully, and
we are here to remind them that that's just losing,
that's all that is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So let's try to win and that means let's change
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lot of the numbers coming into the polling first hour.
Spend quite a bit of time on that with a
deep dive. Wanted to return to something you're not seeing
a lot of in the media, and that is more
(00:42):
coverage and follow up to the second assassination attempt on
Donald Trump. It is not an apparent assassination attempt, as
they were saying for days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
This guy in.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Every sense, wanted to kill President Trump, prepared to do it,
the means to do it, and then planned the whole
thing out, plotted it out, waited twelve hours on that
golf course and managed to figure out where Trump would be.
I mean, it's scary. I know that, you know our sense,
you know, Clay, I just want to put this in context.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Because Trump took a bullet.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
In the ear and there were multiple rounds fired around
his head and somebody was killed, as we know at
that rally. Our sense of this attack is that this
is kind of substantially less of a threat.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I think that's just that's just the way it goes, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But it's a.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Little bit like we almost got hit by a freight
train and then we almost got hit by a truck
on the sidewalk, you know, going sixty miles an hour,
and you're like, well, it wasn't at least it wasn't
a freight train, right. Our sense, what I mean is
the second assassination attempt on Trump would have been by
far the most dangerous attempt on a presidential candidate and
(01:57):
former president since Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Alone.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Like the second attempt, people I think are a little
more like, oh, well, you know, at least he didn't
get shot, because he did in the first one. This
was dangerously close to more shots being fired at President Trump.
We have some additional information on this. I think I
said last week when I looked at the photo in New
York Post that it's an SKS rifle that has been confirmed,
(02:21):
so it's a semi automatic SKS rifle, had a detachable
curved magazine, had a scope added to it for longer
range shooting fires a seven six ' two round This
would were absolutely sufficient for somebody who was trying to
conduct some kind of an assassination attempt to have this
rifle under these circumstances. So the guy knew at least
(02:44):
what he was doing with regard to that, which makes
him a greater threat. New to find cover or concealment,
and even a degree of cover by setting up these
plates ceramic bulletproof plates not really bulletproof, but you know,
bullet resistant. You could say plates in bad And we also,
Clay have the note that he wrote, dear world, I
(03:06):
mean to talk to us. You said this to move
over the weekend. Yeah, this guy really thought that he
was going to become a global hero by assassinating a
former and likely future US president.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So this letter was released officially I think early this morning,
late last night, and it is from the would be assassin,
and I think to your point, it's very important that
we recognize this the one attempt in Butler, PA, because
it was on film, and because Trump was hit, struck
(03:38):
people in a way that it was impossible to ignore.
I think a lot of people who are casual followers
of the news aren't even aware that this guy would
have been camped out for twelve hours beside the golf course,
and that he had a go pro, and that he
was prepared to film himself, and that he was saying
that he needed to kill Trump because Joe Biden in
(03:59):
common Harris, convinced him that Trump was a direct threat
against democracy. But what strikes me, Buck, and I'm curious
what your analysis of this would be. The guy says
in the letter that if he fails, he will pay
someone one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to kill Trump. Now,
this guy's clearly crazy. This would be assassin. The second
(04:22):
would be assassin one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He
doesn't have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But it's
not like he said, I'll give you fifteen million or
one hundred and fifty million. It's very strange one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. But why did they publish this letter,
and the reason why I ask that question is we
(04:44):
frequently are told, for instance, with the transshooter Manifesto in
the state of Tennessee where I'm from in Nashville, it
still hasn't been officially published, and the FBI and authority said, well,
we don't want to encourage another round of shooting based
on some of the things that were written in this
(05:05):
Trans manifesto. Right, that's the logic by which they chose
not to publish it. How just putting a letter out
where a guy puts a bounty on Trump's head and
encourages other people to kill him, how does that follow
the logic of not releasing the Trans manifesto. Because what
(05:27):
I would argue Buck is there isn't a consistent principle here.
If your position is, hey, these crazy manifestos, these crazy letters,
were always going to publish them, like they published the
guy who shot up the grocery store in El Paso, Texas.
Remember his manifesto got out. They eventually published the unibomber's manifesto.
(05:47):
What seems to me to be the standard that's being
applied here, And tell me what I'm missing, And I'm
by the way, eight hundred and two eight two two
eight A two you guys, maybe I'm missing something here.
You guys can analyze. How could you justify not publishing
the trans manifesto because you said you were concerned that
it would encourage additional shootings, but you do publish the
(06:08):
second would be Assassin's letter where he says somebody else
needs to kill Trump if he can't, and I'll give
you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars if you do it.
Either publish everything from crazy people or publish nothing from
crazy people. I don't understand the logic of publishing this
one and not publishing the trans shooter You got you
got my entente here?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I think there is no logic other than
they didn't want people to be focused on a transshooter
who was upset about what she believed to be anti
trans policy, So they just made this one off exception.
It's the notion that we're not going to release information
that is pertinent to not only an investigation, but an
(06:47):
issue of public safety and public security. In motive, of course,
this was a one and done, or at least one
and done for this situation rule that they came up with.
They had no intention of the the the rationale behind
keeping the trans trans Terrorists Manifesto secret would not be
(07:10):
applied by the people using it to any other circumstance
that did not involve another trans terrorist, you know what
I mean. Yeah, So, so they never thought that they
were They were never acting on principle. It was just
political favoritism. And then they try to after the fact
justified in this way. But but what you say with
this guy is, look, I mean a lot of the
(07:31):
arguments that he makes here are the arguments that they
have foreign policy experts making on you know, Mourning Joe,
which is you know, this is he's a threat to
the world. I'm doing this for the world.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
This guy was obsessed with Ukraine. I mean, you know,
you see that if you have convinced enough people, enough
people that Donald Trump is a unique threat to end
the Republic and to the war to the global order.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Part of this that we don't talk about because we're
emotionally stable people. Klana are emostly stable, happy people who
try to live in reality like you, which is why
all of you are listening to the show. We're emotionally stable,
overwhelmingly happy people that love our country and want what's
best for ourselves and our families and our neighbors. Right,
a lot of leftists are lunatics. They honestly have a
(08:15):
mental instability that is either exacerbated or caused by their
chosen politics.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We can argue about which one of those it really is.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They've been saying, not only is Trump a threat to
the Republic Clay that that he's going to let dictators,
whether it's Putin or North Korea's Kim Jong un, do
whatever they want, destabilize the world order and lead to
nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I mean, this is the argument.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
This is the event which I know, it's like it's
going in deep into the rabbit hole and going into
crazy town. Trump is the guy who keeps us out
of wars, but they argue that he's actually a threat
of massive wards. You know what I'm saying, And that's
part of their whole logic.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
If the goal of I really can't get around releasing
this letter other than trying to encourage someone else to
kill Trump. I really can't. I mean you, I think
everybody knows what the motive was of the guy who
showed up to kill Trump. He wanted to kill Trump.
So I'm not persuaded that this letter changes anything in
(09:19):
terms of the motive. And again I don't understand why
publishing it but for the encouragement of other crazy people
to try to kill Trump. What the purpose of this
would be otherwise?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, And also he wrote in this or rather they've
they've done some investigation of his social media footprint everything else.
He was looking for how to get from Florida to Mexico,
which I don't know if I were, you know, if
you're if you're thinking about where you would try to
escape the US. First of all, you'd want to get
to a non extradition or a country that has a
(09:54):
history of refusing extraditions before. But for do you know
what some of the I know, I know, you know
this is a kind of a specialized area flow. Do
you know what some of the non extradition countries out
there are?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Partly because we talked about it last night at our
fancy state dinner, you knew more about this than I did.
A lot of the countries that are non extraditable countries
are not places that you would want to live. North Korea,
I'm not going to small not on the list.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
What else do we a China?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Which I mean yes, advanced, but I don't think you're
gonna have a great time living in China. I don't
think they would like me very much, and they might.
They might decide to just turn you over anyway. They
won't turn over a Chinese national though. Belarus and Russia.
You gotta like the cold, then you gotta like vodka.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, of those lists, I guess Russia would be
the best.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, there's there's more. I you know, I've been to Vietnam.
Vietnam's actually very I think you know, they didn't have
extra according to I just did a Google search, so
we can blame you know, blame doctor Google if this
is wrong. But Vietnam I don't think has has a
formal extradition country. There are a few Iran around.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I don't think you start to look at this like where.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Would Afghanistan in Not going to Afghanistan, yep, that's not
that's not agree in the Taliban. I don't think we
would get along. Well, not going to have a great time.
There are some other Gulf states in the Middle least.
But the point is, if you're trying to go full
on non extradition, you have very limited options.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And also it's hard to get there. A lot of
these countries you can't even fly into.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Now, yeah, Lebanon is yeah, Lebanon, no has that's going
to be rough.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, that's where the guy from who was the CEO
right of the car company fled to Beirut, right because
there was no extra diable. That's I think they put
him in the carry case right out of Japan. Yes,
that's fine, and that is one. Yeah, that is one.
I remember that he had done the specific research. Now
I think he was also a Lebanese citizen, the guy
(11:43):
who was So that's what makes a huge geft there,
whether they let you right, whether they let.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You into the country out anyway this guy was trying.
The point here is that this guy knew what he
was doing, set up to do it, had the equipment
to do it, had scoped out where he where he
thought Trump would be, was at a location where Trump
was going to be vulnerable. Got away initially. I mean,
I bring this up because it's not unthinkable that this
guy could have gotten from Florida to an island in
(12:09):
the Caribbean to Cuba where I don't know, you know,
I don't know if he get turned. I probably wouldn't
get turned over. I think they technically have an extradition
treaty with the US, but they don't honor it anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean, you get a lawyer on who knows about
extra territorial law. But the point here, Clay, is this
was a like I said, this would have been the
most dangerous, most serious assassination attempt on a president since
Ronald Reagan got shot.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
In the eighties.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And this was the second most dangerous attack against Trump
in the last two months, and it barely got twenty
four hours of coverage. And now to me, it feels
like they're further incentivizing assassination attempts by publishing this guy's letter,
which included a charge, a challenge, an offer of one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars if someone were able to
(13:00):
complete the job of assassinating Trump, which he didn't do.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Again, what is the logic here? I would just like
it to be applied consistently. It's too dangerous to get
the trans manifesto, shooters information and words out there, but
this one immediately gets released. I I don't get it.
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They got a brand new mom podcast and a debut
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this week. We're going to talk with them in just
a moment. Lots of people out there weighing in, many
of you starting to vote. I'm actually curious if you're
(14:54):
a VIP, share the experience that you have if you
go vote early. Milton Right, Hey, guys, my wife and
I went and did early voting in our county in Virginia,
just outside of Roanoke. Place was packed with a good
mixture of ages. In fact, they made people stay outside
the voting office let us in two by two. It
(15:15):
was great to see. Thanks for preaching for us to
do this. I thought that was super interesting. Doug writes
in I have a handful of adult children and my
wife always claim they're going to vote on election day.
But guess what. Something always keeps up and happens and
keeps them from going. Yes, because things happen, Life happens,
(15:38):
So I'm taking them early. I always tell them how
I'm voting and why. But this is your one true
freedom and your vote where your heart is I support
the fact more than who you vote for. But I agree,
get out early. Get out early, especially if you can
vote in person like I cam, or you walk in,
(15:58):
you go in the same voting booth that is going
to exist on election day. Buck. You know what's kind
of disappointing. Some people will pull up on election day.
They'll see that there's a long line, and they will
think to themselves, I don't have forty five minutes. I
don't have an hour. One thing you can do is
kind of keep in mind when the early voting dates
are for you. I do this in the past. I have.
(16:20):
You can drive by and see when the lines are
not so bad. Maybe on a lunch break you can
run in. Again, I'm voting early. You're voting early if
you want Trump to win. We are encouraging all of
you to get out and vote early so that all
of the less high propensity voters can be focused on.
It's going to be close, particularly if you're in one
(16:41):
of those battlegrounds we mentioned earlier. Buck, remember what happened
to Maricopa County. We got a monster audience of you
guys listening in Phoenix. I don't have to tell all
of you. But you know what happened. Republicans overwhelmingly show
up in Maricopa County, which is a huge population center
of the Phoenix area of Arizona. To say the elections,
(17:01):
they had a bunch of glitches on election day. You
can eliminate that. You can also free it up for
the people who are going on that day. Get out,
get your ballot in as early as you possibly can.
For President Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know, one thing we haven't talked about much yet,
but we will be talking about it more. There's a
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It's I would I would even go so I think
it's likely. Do you think it's likely. I think it's
a better than fifty to fifty shot that I still
think Trump's going to win. But some of these some
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of these states, I mean, is Pennsylvania gonna be able
to get a final tally in election night if it's
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I don't think so.
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I'm going to rely on every state that you know
you can trust. Florida in particular, to me, Florida is
going to be an early sort of judge of how
things are going for Trump. He needs to win by
five or more.
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Welcome back in. We have Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine
(19:03):
Ham joining us now to talk about the launch of
their new podcast, which they're hosting together Normally. And my understanding, ladies,
and I'll just because we're on radio, I'll try to clarify.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
We'll start with you Carol. We'll get to you Mary
in a second.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
My understanding is you're going to talk about stuff, it's
not just politics, and a lot of the moms listening
across America will want to hear what you guys have
to say.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know, we're not exclusive to moms. Dads are welcome,
you know, Clay S Best Release, the childlest Cat people
are welcome. Everyone's welcome to our Normally podcast. It's going
to be normal conversation from normal people, from normal people,
and that's that's our goal there.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I think it is super important and we're excited to
have this debut tomorrow as part of the Clay and
Buck podcast Network. Mary Katherine Ham, I'll bring you in
and I would encourage you guys to follow Carol Markowitz
and Mary Katherine Ham on social media because I think
you guys are really good and enjoy these conversations. I've
talked with both of you guys, and I feel like
(20:06):
the mom perspective is actually underrepresented in terms of just
sort of the common sense universe. I think Megan Kelly
has done a good job speaking to moms out there,
and to Carrol's point, when to talk you guys are
talking to everybody, but as I think collectively the moms
of seven kids, I think I got that right. You
can correct me if I'm wrong on the on the
(20:27):
numbers there, what do you think is not being shared
and what audience do you think is not really being
reflected in media? Do you buy into to that my
thesis there?
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Yeah, I think that, Look, we are different from a
lot of political elites, particularly those who are elected to
office national office, and that we like you know, buy
groceries regularly and drive our kids around to activities and
feel the pain of having to make those decisions in
this time of inflation. And I feel like there are
a lot of people who are not as connected to that.
(21:00):
And I joke that we're sort of Normy adjacent because
we're not exactly normy, because we pay a lot of
attention to the news, but we can be useful to
people who are normy because we can filter all that
news and talk about it normally, which is the idea.
But I think, look, the inflation problems, the economy, immigration
and safety issues, these are all things that moms, suburban
(21:20):
women care about, right. It's a really important demo, and
there is some attempt to speak to it. Child Care
costs is another thing, But I think people get so
bogged down in the regular politics of the day and
are not able to just have a conversation with otherwise
normy moms about things that are affecting their lives. So
we hope that we can do that and sort of
(21:41):
filter out some of the heightened emotion that many cable
news outlets bring to the table, which I had to
deal with when I was at CNN, and just like,
let's actually examine these things, you know, Carol.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Over the weekend I was seeing I saw a few
different friends here in South Florida, and it's funny because
you know what they all are talking about, not so
much the election.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They're all talking about how puff daddy he did.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He Sean Combe is in prison and being held, you know,
without bail until until his trial, and I can't even
really say on the radio, like, what's in all of
these articles because of some of the material and stuff
that they have found, But do you find that this
here's the sort of the thesis that was being brought up
(22:26):
to me speaking of, like what more normal folks are
innsidered in other than just the polls, is that Sean
Combs isn't just a guy who made a lot of
money in the music industry. He was celebrated by name
somebody who's really big and powerful in the culture and
in politics in this country. And yet he had been
arrested or almost arrested, I should say almost arrested, but
(22:49):
alleged to have been involved in crimes many many times
over the years. What does this say about the culture
that this guy was able to get away with what
he got away with as long as he did, And
now all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh, I've never
seen him before. He was like sitting at Anna Winter's
table at the met galer For people who watch this stuff.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah, well it's funny because Mary Catherine and I talk
about this, how when a scandal breaks like Harvey Weinstein,
everyone's like, oh, everybody knew, everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And this time.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
It's kind of like, oh, no, I had no idea
about P Diddy that this is new information you have
presented me with. It's an interesting story because he has
been so in the limelight for so long. I mean,
I see him as the guy who ruined many Biggie
Small's albums by inserting his into all of his songs.
He is somebody who put you know, a lot of
(23:41):
young rappers on the map. Basically, he has a lot
of people who owe him, so it's interesting to watch
his decline. Of course, you also mentioned or in passing
with the story of the gun and the club with
Jennifer Lopez and his passenger See and then another rapper,
Shine went away for that crime, and the rumor always
(24:01):
was that P Diddy paid him a million dollars for it.
All of this kind of stuff has been around for
a long time, so it's interesting to watch him actually
get kind of pegged on.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
This interesting choice of words. Mary Catherine Buck and I
were talking last night at dinner that based on what
happened to Epstein, the puff Daddy story, P Diddy, whatever
you want to call him, it feels very Epstein esque
and whatever you think, the idea that Epstein in an
area that's supposed to be super secure, the video is
(24:35):
not running, the security guard falls asleep, suddenly he kills himself.
There were a lot of allegations about video and who
was involved. It seems like there are potentially a ton
of celebrities involved. Oh, they're not giving Diddy a bail.
Do you see an overlap here potentially with Epstein and
Diddy in terms of maybe what happened to Epstein, but
(24:56):
also the celebrity involved and maybe some different blackmail involved also.
I mean, I see these stories as very much connected.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
One overlap is that I'm afraid to read the indictment
because it sounds so disgusting. So I got to steal
myself for that. Two Yeah, my smart friend Emily's Natti,
also a great mom of three, called it Epstein for
millennials because we know all these figures. And one thing
on the mom front that strikes me about all these
stories is particularly with celebrities and celebrity kids, wonder Can
(25:34):
singers and the like. You know, Usher was friends with
Diddy at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Bibs in there.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Doing stuff with I'm very young, and that worries me
and it makes me think for my for my front
talking to my kids about like why can't we be
on YouTube? And it's like, well, this is why you
will never have a path to any mogul's house ever
while you are in my care. And I think that's
something that lights up for people in this demographic when
(26:03):
you look at these types of stories. And to Carol's point,
one of the things we'd like to talk about on
the podcast is things that everyone did know that the
media ignores for two years until they can safely tell
the story later. That is messed up to me. It's
something that normal people clock early, but the elites will
not sort of let it be talked about, and I
(26:25):
think that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Speaking to Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham their new podcast, normally,
when's the first episode Guys Tomorrow comes out tomorrow right now,
So now is a great time to subscribe to the
Clay and Buck podcast network. We also have Jan Parnell
and Lisa Booth and other friends of ours who are
doing great shows. But this normally show getting a lot
(26:48):
of hype online. Some people are saying Clay probably going
to be amazing, probably going to sit download records, and Carrol,
I feel like this is also part of a broader
conver station, which is I understand that people can say like,
oh like, don't subscribe to Netflix and don't engage in
the culture if it's going to be left wing and
all this other stuff, But there also needs to be
(27:10):
a culture for normal people, right. It can't just be
walling yourself off from whether it's like the Sean Combe
p Diddy stuff of the world that's in the news
cycle and you know, not wanting to be you know,
have that enter your consciousness. But also we have to
create content.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Of our own.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Again this is not to flatter you guys, but I
think that you guys do this so well where you
speak to normal people and they feel like they know you,
and they feel like you guys are friends, and you're
not screaming at them, we're saying crazy things where you know,
we're going to take a page out of that book
and hopefully do the same on normally for you know,
(27:48):
a similar audience. So I love what you guys do,
and I think that that is exactly right. We need
to engage people on the right in culture, and we
need to have conversations, and we need to produce content
and we need to do all of that and not
just leave them kind of hanging and say, you know,
boycott this and boycott that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Mary Catherine, I'm going down to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, speaking of
normal normally, to watch your Georgia Bulldogs play against Alabama.
I want to get your take on what you expect
to happen in the game. But my thesis here, and
I may be completely wrong. We'll see whether I'm right
or wrong, is that college football fans, football fans in general,
(28:32):
loom extra large in the battleground states. Your state of
Georgia where you are right now, North Carolina. Condolences to
North Carolina and NC State, who both got absolutely obliterated,
and you still have to root for the Carolina Panthers.
But then you've got the big ten states, Wisconsin where
I just was a couple of weeks ago, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
(28:52):
What's going to happen Georgia, Bama. Do you buy into
me that quote unquote the normal football fan of America,
which I think it's fair to say Kamala try to
appeal to with walls, is going to break Trump pretty
significantly over. Kamala. I'm curious how you would break that down.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Look, I do think that's true, and I think this
is a gap in understanding for a lot of people
in Washington and a lot of people in sort of
elite media that don't understand how important football is to
so very many people in this country and have some
trouble relating to it. There are a few people who
maybe went to an SEC school and get it, but
(29:29):
they're few and far between. So I think you're right
that this is sort of a normy voter block right
of huge football fans. That's why Trump is going to
try to go to this game. Is is he's still going?
I think they were working.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah. My understanding is he's going to be there. Yes,
my understanding is they going to He's going to be
in the stadium. He's going to be at this game,
which is, for those of you who are not football fans,
the biggest college football game of the year so far.
It's going to be a massive earthquake like style game. Right,
So this is why he's going.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
And as far as what's going to have, I know
for sure that I will be extremely nervous and I
don't know if I could handle being there in person.
I would gladly take a ticket, but I don't know
if I can handle it. I will be at my
house cozy, trying to deal with my nerves. We have
a bit of a we have a great program under
Kurby Smart and a little bit of a mental block
(30:20):
for many years with taking on Alabama almost every time
we take them on, so I'm always concerned.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Ladies, lady out, good luck to you with the podcast
coming out tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Normally, thanks.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think you should normally be listening to it. Check
it out, Mary Katherine Ham and Carol Markowitz. Thanks, ladies,
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I asked my McClay, how much would I have to
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Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think I'll probably end up also, by the way,
Carol Markowitz, who was just on with us, and Lisa
Booth are going to be out there, so I bet
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Katherine Ham. If you are a mom in particular, they
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moms are regularly having. I think that both of them
are going to be super entertaining when it comes to
talking in ways that are very relatable to all of you.
Steve Wrights Buck and I didn't realize this although I'm
looking at myself in the mirror right now, and I
mean in the camera right now, and I can see
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your rack the collection Buck my bookshel my bookshelf, of
the book I rack here, And he wants to know,
is that John This is the super nerd email, which
I appreciate. He wants to know, is that John Keegan's
the First World War? And is that Amity Jay Coolidge's
two books to the left my opinion, Keegan has the
(33:48):
best single volume concise history of World War ones and twos.
He wants to know. He's from Cranberry Township, PA. Great
name of a town. He wants to know. Is he
accurately checking out your book? Rack here over my shoulder
right now?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He nailed it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
That is the Keegan both the Keegan History of the
First World War, the one volume and Keegan's History of
the Second World War. I agree with our esteem VIP
for single volume histories of what are massive conflicts that
you could spend a whole lifetime studying either of them.
But if you want a digestible single volume history, the
John Keegan First World War and John Keegan Second World
(34:26):
War I think top of the list. We've also got
the Amity Slaves biography of Coolidge. Calvin Coolidge, who went
to Amherst College like me, by the way, and him
and all of his buddies are what all the dorms
are named after there, the former governor of Massachusetts and
as we know, President of the United States, Silent cal
a cool customer. I will say the one thing about
his biography, and this is not a knock on the
(34:47):
Shlaves biography specifically, because it's just the truth of his life.
You know, there wasn't a huge war. I mean, there
wasn't like and it wasn't a great depression. You're reading
a biography about a guy who.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Did a good job.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
The country was prosperous, and he didn't mess a lot
of things up. And while it's great, it's also you
know what I'm saying, It's not like there's not high
drama in Coolidge's life. I mean, I think the Schle's
biography is the best biography of Coolidge out there. But yes,
I've read that. That's excellent. The Totus biography of Pavlov.
Pavlov is fascinating. We'll talk about that another time. Trying
(35:21):
to think what else is on that sholf Oh Churnout.
I've got the Washington and the Grant biographies by Churnout.
Those are both I bet like half this audience has
those books at home.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
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It might be a dog like ginger who is running
around here, might be a kid on my lap, my producer,
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from CNN. A key Nebraska senator has issued a statement
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on whether he will change the rules to allow the
state to be won by only one person. After deep consideration,
it's clear to me that right now, forty three days
from election day, is not the moment to make the change.
Buck Democrats would have done it. I'm just gonna say,
(36:14):
if they had an electoral vote at stake and they
thought it might decide the presidency, they would have flipped
it and omaha, k fab listeners, you guys may hold
the presidency still in your hands. It's going to be
a close race everywhere. Trump won that district in sixteen,
lost it in twenty.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I all I can say about this is Republicans do
have this, unfortunately, this residual desire to lose gracefully, and
we are here to remind them that that's just losing,
that's all that is.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So let's try to win and that means let's change
that vote in Omaha. We got to talk to this guy.
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