February 20, 2025 • 37 mins
Ryan Girdusky, our favorite data nerd, on Trump's winning numbers. Kash Patel is confirmed for FBI director: 51 to 49. Karol Markowicz shares her thoughts on the tragic day for Israel. The Bibas family weren't kidnapped by Hamas; they were kidnapped by Gazan civilians. Trump's possible play for NJ? America should Don Draper Canada: "I don't think about you at all."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three edition of the program.
I appreciate all of you hanging out with us as
we are rolling through a lot of reactions.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Will play some of the best talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Producer Greg says, we have been deluged by responses from
you guys about whether or not to boo the Canadian
national anthem tonight during the big hockey game. Caroline Levitt
just addressed it from the White House Press briefing room
about what Trump thought, and we read you Trump's comments
earlier today. Fun responses rolling in, as you might well
(00:38):
imagine on the VIP emails as well. John, this is
very funny, John says, don't boo Canada's national anthem? Instead
chant fifty one fifty one fifty one. I think that's
a very funny idea, John.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Not exactly a call for sportsmanship, a call for more
funny trolling. Does this meet your school marmish expectations? Buck,
as in terms of behavior, would that be okay to
chant fifty one fifty I think John would get detention.
I think John would have to fee in detention for this.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, We're gonna bring in our friend Ryan Gurdusky
and the Clay and Buck podcast network in a moment,
but I did want to play. This is Caroline Levitt,
just moments ago cut thirty one from the White House.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He looks forward to watching the game tonight and we
look forward to the United States feeding our soon to
be fifty first state Canada.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Very funny trolling from Caroline Levitt, who has a great
sense of humor from New Hampshire, by the way, and
the Granite Staters are very proud of her. We bring
in now our good friend Ryan Gurdusky, affectionately the Data Nerd,
a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network, and
(01:49):
we wanted to get you on to talk about one
month into the Trump term what the data is looking like.
So let's start here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Are you surprised, pure from a you know, just kind
of analytics perspective, by how much ground Democrats have given
Trump to go after, whether it's men and women sports,
whether it's going after waste and fraud in the government,
how much ground they've given him that is actually very
(02:18):
very popular with large swaths of the American voting public. Democrat,
Republican and independent does it seem like a calculated error
by you on the side of the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I talked to actually Marjorie Taylor Green on my podcast
on your network, Numbers Game on the iHeart Network, and
we talked a bit about how the conversation around DOGE
especially is two separate conversations people are having, and the
concern over spending over deficit, spending over the debt kind
of supersedes that over data and protection and Elon Musk. Now,
(02:51):
Elon Musk is not a popular figure in almost every
single poll. Most Americans do not like Elon and they
feel very uncomfortable with how much influenced Elon has as
but that has not affected Trump himself. Trump is at
his most popular he's ever been. In the new C
and M pull that came out today, he is at
forty seven percent favorability fifty one percent unfavorable, which is
(03:12):
not bad. It's it's five points better than it was
in twenty seventeen at the same exact time, and that's
primarily because younger people have a nine point bounce in
favorability towards Trump, Minorities have a significant bounce towards Trump,
and men have a significant increase support for Trump. So
all three of those things, He's just really changed the
(03:33):
path for which they have And I think that I
think that where Democrats are is that they don't have it. One,
they don't have a central messenger, and too they don't
have a central message. And having Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters,
you know, grabbing their canes screaming out in the public,
and you know for USA idea program no one knew
about a year and a half ago or even a
(03:53):
month and a half ago. They it's not really that
appealing to them, and the conversation over a bad spy,
treadmills for shrimp or whatever they're spending money on really
supersedes a lot of their concerns. Is they don't have
a central concern.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Hey, Ryan, good to have you with us. As always
in congrats on the success of the podcast. The thank
you who listened, love it. It's been great. The numbers game,
so it seems like everything Trump is doing so far,
border does stuff, the cutting falls pretty close into a
sixty forty or something along those lines. A polling breakdown,
(04:31):
what is the what is the you think the next
important move for the administration? What are some of the
things that have been discussed that are on the near
horizon that could continue to just rack up the wins,
because it is in fact the case that we are
not tired of winning. Well.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The most popular thing, believe or not in polling for
that Trump has done is the girls and Men and
Girls sports. I mean, it is wildly popular, even among
polls that have over sampled. I think Democrats and the
independent category or liberals in the independent category, wildly popular.
On immigration, it's pretty good on even on tariffs, which
(05:07):
have overwhelming negative news coverage, it's not that bad. The
only negative thing that they have really have that Democrats
have that is actually getting some traction is elon Musk
News and that's why I think you're going to hear
a lot more of it, and he will be the
central character more so than even Donald Trump himself as
far as attack goes. When it comes to Trump, the
(05:28):
economy has to be the next thing, because that's actually
where a lot of people are waiting for this magical
recovery to start, and inflation numbers are still modelly high. Obviously,
it's only been a month, so I'm not blaming Donald
Trump for that. But this major tax budget that's coming out,
that's supposed to sit there and reduce and tax on
(05:48):
tips and tax and overtime and tax on social security.
That may be a big boost the middle class and
the working class. And if that happens, and that's I think,
I think the central thing that Trump's is there and
rallies are, but that is really where he's got to
get more of a more of control over his death
economy because it was his strongest issue going into this election,
and or second strongest immigration, but one of his strongest
(06:11):
issues going to this election, and he's really got to
make good on it. And a lot of is out
of his hands, like the egg the price of eggs
because of you know, the even flu, but he's got
to sit there and start really leaning heavily into it.
The economy should be stronger on his list according to
most of these polls, and it's not, and part of
it's out of his hands, but he's got to really
really increase the effort, just real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Ryan, I think in the team fact check me on
this if I'm incorrect. With the cash Betel voting has
been happening, and I think Mitch McConnell just voted yes
on Cash. We had been told that it was going
to be a no or that was the reporting. How
do you see the positioning of some of these senators
who have been racal citrant about some of Trump's nominees
(06:53):
up to this point. You know they've some of them
have gone with it, some of them haven't. I guess
you know, for Maine, it's the best we can do
to have Susan conn Collins the way she is. But
how do you see the way the Senate has responded
to these these nominations so far? And what do you
think about if Cash gets Mitch voting for him, is
that a surprise to you?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, I was actually surprised by that information. I mean,
Susan Collins, I think is the only Republican voted to
know the first time around. And Collins did vote for Toulci,
she did vote for RFK. She has a really good
relationship with Senate Vice President jd Vance when they were
senators together. So Van's really trying to meet with her
and help with getting Tolsi over the finish line. I
(07:32):
think made a big impact. McConnell also has to say
this is his last term. No one is surprised by that.
He's had a lot of health issues. And I'm not,
you know, ah any ill for that, but he has
had a lot of health issues. I think that I
think that McConnell's making his legacy right now, and he's
hoping that his legacy is that he will be the
voice of reason in an era of MAGA when the
(07:53):
history books are written. I think that is what he's
hoping his legacy will be. And you know, he doesn't
like Donald Trump. He's never liked Donald Trump. And he's
come up on the losing side of the Republican political revolution.
So he's doing what he thinks is his last Dan
Curtis is a very moderate Republican. He'll probably be the
leader of that. But this is Curtis. Senator Curtis is
(08:13):
from Utah. He took over from Mitt Romney. Lisa Murkowski
is Lisa Murkowski. No one particularly cares for her. But
even Senator Cassidy, who voted to impeach Donald Trump, has
voted for all of his people. Now that he's going
into a very tough reelection fight that he's not doing
very well in the early polling for so, I think
a lot of it is sitting there and saying we
(08:34):
have to capitulate, we have to work. I mean, it's
it would not be shocking. Actually if we if we
turn back time and Matt Gates sat instead in the position,
if he would have actually gone through, by how much
people have sat there and changed their minds and capitulated
towards getting Trump's the administration that he wants cash Battell
you know he did a lot. He said, he was
on a lot of cookie podcasts in twenty twenty one,
(08:56):
twenty one on but he has a very very astounding
career and the FBI so maybe him and McConnell had
a meeting and he told him his his credentials and
that was enough to win McConnell over.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
We're talking to Ryan Gardeski.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Ryan, big discussion of late about the Democrats hemorrhaging support
with men. You mentioned the transsports issue, that is men
identifying as women. Men are like ninety ten on that
ninety five to five. But CBS even had it, and
I had not seen this in a long time. They
(09:29):
had Trump plus twenty in male approval rating sixty forty.
How much of it And you may have seen me
talking about this last week at the University of Chicago.
How concerned do you think Democrats should be about their
loss of support among male voters.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I mean, they have a Democrats have a fundamental branding problem,
and it's a branding problem where they.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Are the HR party.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They're the ones who are going to turn you in
for you know, anything you possibly do wrong. Is it
is a it is a cultural loss, the likes we
haven't seen in decades. I mean it's probably since I
was a child, where a lot of the cultural influence
is coming from Conservatives and from Republicans, and there is
a general sense of defeat and a general sense of
(10:17):
eye rolling when they talk about things like DEI or
the future's female, or just constant nagging, like they are
the Party of nagging. There's been so many clips of
side by sides of like female journalists or female Democratic
senators yelling at Republican senators or Jdvans when he's on
with on CBS and you just sit there and every
(10:37):
man can sit there and say, yeah, I've had that
kind of moment. God, is it annoying. I think that
that is. I think that that is part of their
problems as a brand, as a party brand, And I
don't think that AOC is the salvation for it, and
David Hogg is not the answer for it. Maybe John
Fetterman is. I'm not even making a joke, but it's
(10:58):
who has come up and asked to lead the party
is not that. And the central problem that Democrats have
had for a long time, in the last like ten
to fifteen years, is the people that they've had to replace,
the Nancy Pelosis and the Stenny Hoyters and the Jim Clyburns.
Therefore the most part insane, like they went to the
Men's Institution as their reinforcements, and that's who they have
(11:21):
to lead the party. The leaders don't the next generation leaders.
It's not Josh Gottheimer, you know, the head of the
mainstream Democrats in New Jersey. It is the aocs and
the ilan Omars and the people who really are You know,
if you think the Democratic Party was radical under Nancy Pelosi,
you haven't seen anything yet. So until you get a
(11:42):
hold of that, and until central Central's Democrats are voting
in primaries and huge numbers to really upset that and
kick out the loudest voice in the room, I don't know.
You know, a BuzzFeed culture is not the one that's
going to sit there and lead the Democratic Party to salvation.
And that's who they have is their next lead.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Ryan's podcast is It's a numbers game. It's up in
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Gosh it all. Check
it out. He does a great data break down, a
lot of political analysis. Ryan knows the ins and outs
of that backwards and forwards Ron before we let you go.
Clay loves to make far out predictions and we have
to always flag it and see he has predicted that
(12:22):
right now based on what we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Michelle.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
No, no, no, don't worry. He was wrong on that one.
I have a let him forget. I said, no more,
Michelle Obama talk. No one's allowed to say. Oprah is
gonna run like these are. We've heard this before. It's
not gonna happen, he says. Cuomo right now, Andrew Cuomo
for twenty twenty eight after he becomes mayor in New York,
do you agree with that? Is that insane? And who
(12:48):
do you think is going to emerge? And I know
we're going way out in the future here, but just
kind of curious. We'll make a note of this.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't I don't think so. I mean, I like, listen,
I don't. I have a tougher time thinking Democratic Party
is going to become the party of white men. Then
they are going to stop nominating women. It's just the
functionality of the party. Maybe Andrewomo could do it, but
I don't know. I mean, I don't. I have a hard,
hard sense of that. He is a disgrace from our governor.
He's running for mayor. He may be mayor, but a
(13:15):
New York City mayor. Of the last four have either
talked about running for president or have ran for president,
all remarkably unsuccessfully.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If if you, if you Ryan, if you had to
abandon all of your principles and run a campaign for
a Democrat in twenty twenty eight, based on the field
right now, who would it be?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Wes Moore? From the governor and Wes Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's what we've talked.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
We have discussed, Yeah, Wes more government, very very very
very like good candidate, strong candidate, you know, not some
on the issues, but good candidate. Actually, next Monday, when
my podcast drops, I have a whole episode on the
business of campaigns and the business of politics. What it
actually very run for office? You really really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, well check it out. I mean that's stuff that
people really need to know. I'm going to listen to it,
qu no doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
One last question here for you, Ryan, I encourage everybody
to go subscribe to the podcast. You can find it
in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Do you think
Kamala has a viable political future going forward? We were
talking about this, debating this earlier in the show. What
happens with Kamala next? I know she signed with CIA,
She's gonna make a lot of money giving speeches, but
(14:23):
does she run for governor? Does she think that she
has a chance in twenty eight? Do you think where
do we go from here with Kamala?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I mean the joke in me since here and says
her futures at AA, But I mean the real the
thing is I think that she has no, she doesn't
have a future. She lost She is like, did John
Kerry have a future in two thousand and four? I
mean that's literally saying, hey, you know, should run in
two thousand and eight John Kerry, Like no, it's over,
Like put a pin. I would have a hard time
(14:53):
seeing Democrats run a woman for president for the next decade.
The last two did not go well for them and
it led to Trump. Who is their most hated person
is Richard Nixon. I don't see how they're going to
nominate another woman. So Gretchen Whitmer, with all the plastic
surgery she's done, I think it was old waste. I
don't see how they're gonna nominate it. I think it's
going to be a man. I would put my money
(15:13):
either on Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, and Wes More and
more likely because he's black. Joshapiro is Jewish, which creates
a ton of problems. Also, if anyone has a tape
of Joshapiro pre two thousand and eight and when he
started speaking like Obama, I would love to know what
he actually sounds like, because I've never met a Jew
from the suburbs who talks like a black pastor before.
But that's Josh Shapiro the But that's who I would
(15:34):
put my money on. They're gonna sit there and pick
a centrist Democrat man. They're not going to pick a woman,
and they're not. I don't have a hard time just
gonna pick a white guy. It's a party that has
told white men forever. You are the problem behind every
civilizational you know, issue and problematic. You're problematic. You're problematic.
You're problematic. I don't see how they're going to.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
To get the rest of it. We got to go
to Ryan's podcast. Everybody. It's a numbers game in the
Clan Black Network. Ryan Gerdusky. Great to have you. We'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (19:02):
As we went to break official Now, Cash Patel has
been confirmed as the next director of the FBI. Fifty
one to forty nine vote. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins,
the two Republican senators who voted against Cash Patel. I'll
just say this as we bring in our friend Carol Markowitz.
(19:26):
I understand Susan Collins, she's in Maine. It is a
state that Trump has never won. It is a state
that would be hard for a Republican to win. She
has to balance all of that, and she's up for
reelection in twenty twenty six. Lisa Markowski, what are you
doing Alaska? Why do you have a state that Trump
(19:47):
won overwhelmingly, a senator that is refusing to support many
of the nominees that Trump has put forward. I think
Alaska could do better, let me just say it, than
Lisa Murkowski. We bring in now well, Carol Markowitz. Carol,
we got a lot to talk about with you, but
I want to start with sadly, the awful, the awful
(20:10):
video we saw of true babies that have been killed,
kidnapped by Hamas and the reaction as those caskets were
turned over to the people of Israel. You've talked a
lot about your reaction to October seventh, and you're a
mom of three. I imagine that that was devastating to
(20:32):
watch and see what is actually still the consequences are
October seventh, to kill true babies and hold them hostage
is beyond the pale.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It really is. And thank you so much for having
me on. I have two little redheaded boys. Myself, I
have felt the pain of the Babist family the whole time,
just horrific to know what they went through and what
their last moments were. Probably, Like I think anybody, whether
or not you have children, anybody human should understand that
(21:02):
this was not something that happens in war. You know,
my nine year old last year said to me something like,
why doesn't Israel just kidnap the Palestinian children and then
you know they can salt to them? Because Israel would
never do that. That's why it's something that would only
monsters would do that. And an important part to understand
(21:23):
is that it wasn't Hamas who kidnapped that family. It
was normal Gosins who had broken through the fence and
stole these children, you know, in their pajamas from their
home with their mom. And it was you know, what
people call normal Palestinians who are not in Kamas. And
still this is what happened, so very tragic day. I
(21:43):
think a lot of us knew that it was heading
in this direction, but still just the sadness and the
anger today is palpable.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So Carol, I guess now we should just expect that
the very zealous pro Hamas pro Palestinian wing of the
Democrat Party in this country is just going to be
quiet about this for the next few days because it
seems to me that in any circumstance, when you have
(22:13):
an entity, whether it's a government, a terrorist group, anything,
that kidnaps literal babies and then kills them, I mean,
refrains from or refuses to keep them alive while in
their custody as hostages, you couldn't have a more clear
depiction of the active decision to conduct evil And I
(22:36):
just feel like this should be something that every person
who's been out there crying about the devastation of buildings
in Gaza should have to answer for. Why shouldn't Gaza
be raised to the ground if Hamas is going to
conduct terrorist attacks that include the kidnapping and decision to
(22:57):
murder babies in their custody.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Yeah, well that's again, that's the whole thing with noting
that it's every day Palestinians who did this, because the
argument usually goes, look, the Palestinians don't want Hamas in charge,
they have no choice. This is not them, This is
only a terrorist group. You can't blame all Palestinians for this.
But it actually was all Palestinians. And you know, people
have noted that there were Nazis who helped, you know,
(23:23):
high Jews, for example, during World War Two, there were
no Palestinians who helped a single hostage here. There was
not one Palestinian who said, I'm going to take the
reward that Israel is offering that will change my family's
life forever and help return these hostages to their homes.
None of them did that. So yeah, I think what
the squad and people like that count on is a
(23:44):
short memory. Americans are very pro Israel, and it makes
sense where both you know, both countries are a civilization.
They're not backward, murderous countries that think it's okay to
kidnap children. So you know, what they have to do.
Who is to kind of keep this quiet from Americans
so that Americans aren't enraged by the murder of two
(24:06):
children and their mother. And also today another the fourth
body coming home today is an eighty four year old
man who was a peace activist who brought Palestinians to
Israel to the hospitals for treatment because he wanted so
badly to have this peace with the Palestinians. And then
they used his peacefulness against him and murdered him. So
I think what the squad is trying to do is
(24:28):
trying to minimize the attentions of this gift and hope
that Americans don't notice. But I believe in Americans, and
I know that Americans care a lot about justice and fairness,
and I know that they stand with Israel because Israel
represents our values over.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
There, Carol, shifting gears here a bit. One month in
the Trump administration? What grade would you give them? Have
you been surprised by how quickly they've moved? How do
you think they're doing?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I am so pleasant surprised.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Look, I was very excited for this administration. I early
voted for Donald Trump on day one of early voting
in Florida. I could not wait to vote for Trump fans.
I was excited about it. But they have exceeded all
of my expectations. And you know, I wrote about this
today for Fox News. But the one month anniversary, what
I really have noticed in the last month is that
(25:23):
we have a president again, and that is such a
comforting feeling. Even though I didn't like Joe Biden, I
didn't want the Joe Biden administration. The fact that he
was absent for such long periods of time and we
didn't know who was making policies or what to expect
from that administration. It's scary. And I think that what
Americans have felt in the last year and the last month, sorry,
(25:44):
is a sense of comfort where we know who's making policies,
we know who's in charge, we know what to expect,
and that is a really important feeling. So I've been thrilled,
I mean a plus plus. I, you know, have minor
quibbles with the Trump administration right now that I can't
even know verbalize that I is mostly I'm very, very
(26:07):
happy with how things are going.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Speaking to Carol Marko, which she's got a podcast with
us on the Clay and Buck network, and what is
the Normy Mom's podcast called You Give Two Podcast, I.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Have two podcasts on the Clay and Buck Network. I
have the Carol markt which show, which I say is
my sort of non political podcast where I ask political
people non political questions. And then I have Normally that
I co hosted Mary Catherine Ham where we talk news
of the day and break it down in a humorous fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Well, thank you for doing great work on that audience,
really enjoying both of those shows. As the numbers attest
to Carol, I want to switch gears for a second
to New York. Actually, we're doing around the world that
everyone want to configue New York City. So it comes
out that a couple of things have happened the last
twenty four hours. Trump has squashed congestion pricing, which was
(26:58):
pushed by Governor Kathy Hoak over the strenuous objections of
many many New Yorkers, not just Republicans or people on
the right, a lot of New Yorkers like this is nuts.
And now Kathy Hochel has also made it clear she
will not just unilaterally fire the Mayor of New York City,
Eric Adams. What the heck is going on here? It
(27:19):
just feels like the Democrats can't get out of their
own way in the Empire State.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
It's amazing. So what's really interesting to me is why
would Trump care about this congestion pricing? And I think
that one of the criticisms I had of the Trump
administration last time around was that they weren't looking towards
the future, that they weren't thinking about Republican wins in
the future. And to me, this congestion pricing thing is
very much a future looking thing. This wasn't about New York.
(27:44):
This was about New Jersey. New Jersey drivers were having
to pay this congestion pricing in New York City if
they drove into the city, and they were really suffering
with it. It was nine dollars is going to go
up even higher. And it's the New Jersey voter that
I think the Trump administration is courting here. New Jersey
has been kind of close in the last few elections,
and there's a real chance that it can go right
(28:06):
in the future. So to me, this was a future
election vision where New Jersey can possibly be moved, and
I love it. I love everything about that. Then the
Kathy Hokal not getting rid of Mayor Eric Adams, I
think it would have been really difficult for her to
do that. He's an elected mayor, whatever you think of him,
and I happen to think he's the best of a
(28:27):
really terrible bunch in New York City. So I think
if she had gotten rid of him, I don't know
how her own political career would have survived it. And
I think that's really where she came down on this.
It's not that she cared about New York. It's not
that she cared about Mayor Adam. She was looking at
her own career and saying, where will this leave me?
And I think a lot of people would have been really,
really mad had she gotten rid of him, and then
(28:51):
Jamaine Williams, the public defender on sorry the public advocate,
would have become the mayor. And he's super far left,
you know, big on defunding the police while himself living
on a military base with full security, of course, and
I think people would have been really pissed off. So
that's why she backed off and win win for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
We're talking to Carol Marco. It's okay, really important question
here to close out. Carol, your husband is a big
football fan. I know that you have sons who are
big fans too of sports. Will you be watching US
Canada tonight in your home, this big hockey game, and
do you have a strong take on whether I'm sure
(29:33):
you saw that Canada booed the United States national anthem
on Saturday? Should we boo mean Boston sports fans the
Canadian national anthem tonight?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
So, I would say, no, we shouldn't boo because look,
it's more like we don't even think about them. Who
are they? They're not relevant to us. You know, they
think about us quite a bit, and so that's why
they boot our anthem. They're real mad at us whatever.
Mary Catherine Ham and I talked about this on normally,
but there's nothing that Americans like more than succeeding in
(30:06):
a sport that we largely don't care about. So I'm
going to be watching this game for sure. I'm going
to be rooting for America. And you know, living in Florida,
it's extra fun because Florida has had a really good
run in hockey in the last few years. Florida Pantas
has been doing great, and it's it's great because you
live in this warm climate and hockey is what we're
winning down here. So it's terrific, It's and I can't
(30:29):
wait to watch the game. No, don't believe the anthem.
Let them have this. You know, again, we don't even
think of them.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What does Canada have if we beat them in hockey? Carol, Like,
what does the whole country have to go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All day to day? I'm just saying this is their thing.
You mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This is not even that high of a priority for
American sports fans. If we take hockey from them, what
do they have left?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, that's exactly it. I don't know they have their
maple syrup, even though you know, Vermont.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is kind of your preacher the choir. I think Vermont
better maple syrup.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Than Canada, right, So that's it. They're really they're out
of the game altogether.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
They always it always just to bother me when I
would travel and Canadians would wear the Canadian flag on
their backpack so nobody would mistake them for American, and
I'd be like, nobody cares about you, and nobody cares
if you're an American or not, like, get over yourselves. They
have this odd you know, nationalism that they pretend is positive,
but it's really not. So I don't know, let's, you
(31:28):
know again, let's just beat them and go home and
forget about it completely for another year, because that's how
we do it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I'm just agast at how many shots Canada's taken to
the face on the ice on this show today. It's
just they're missing the front tooth. They got the whole
hockey thing going. They got califlower ear. It's a rough
day for Canada. But Carol markle w it's go check
out the Karen Marco would show on the Clan book
networking also normally with her and Mary Catherine Ham. Great
for everybody, especially the moms and our audience. You will
(31:57):
love it, Carol. Give a big hug to Shy from
both of us and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That is Carol Markowitch. She is fabulous and I think
buck she might have been more crushing of Canada than me,
because I was just kind of taking shots in a
fun way.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Like Mama Grizzly. She has Mamma Grizzly zone she can
go into, and when it comes to her American patriotism,
she's ready to.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He was just kind of clinically pointing out, don't It's
like when you break up with somebody and you don't
even bother to care about them anymore, right, Like She's like,
there are you saying that America is Don draper looking
at Canada saying I don't think about you at all.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That famous meme from uh from mad Men For those
of you watch guy says, hey, I'm really worried about you,
and Don Draper just says, I don't think about you
at all. Look, I'm out of Miami right now, running around.
We got a fun dinner schedule tonight with the iHeart Crew.
But if you are out there right now, and maybe
you're gonna stay up tonight and you're gonna watch that
(32:56):
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
My name Clay closing up shop today on Clay and
Buck and I have to say, I feel like we're
going to get some interesting emails from our Canadian listeners
after today. This just note that the Buckster did his
(34:35):
best for you Canooks, but some heat was coming your way.
Let's get to some of these talkbacks real quick here.
Let's see New York City listener James on the talkback
on the iHeart App BB play It producer Greg. That
was awesome. Poutine eating monkeys.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Oh my god, nice my crack coffee right quest, thanks
for that.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'm going to have a good game, all right, that
guy's can I just say clay producer Greg is generally
a very just like polite and and you know, spitting
polished guy, you know, but when the hockey comes out,
all of a sudden, he's like the brawl. He's like
the enforcer on the ice. I was not expecting it,
(35:24):
no doubt. Let's see, uh DeWeese.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
By the way, you can talk back on the iHeartRadio app.
Producer Greg sees all these DeWeese. Uh listener on KFBK
in Sacramento, California.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
All right? To drinking at sporting events, I'm sorry. The
Philadelphia Eagles football team out, I mean, anybody, anybody. They
have their own jail in the stadium. So no, the Eagles,
those are some fish.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
They consume more alcohol than any sports. I mean you
can find excuse me, hockey and baseball the Eagles, Eagles
stadium period.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh these are great South Florida listener, Oswaldo listening to
us down here on WIOD where we both are in
Miami at double FF here, let's play this.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I had a change of heart about this.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Initially, I thought we should boo the Canadian national anthem
if they bow ours. But the better thing is to
if they decide to boo our national anthem, we should
just cheer very very loud, or actually sing our national
anthem and drown them out.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
We're in last world. We don't have time play. We're
at time. But that was a great one from Asvaldo.
We'll hold something's over to tomorrow for Friday Day Friday Sleeve.
Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in our number three edition of the program.
I appreciate all of you hanging out with us as
we are rolling through a lot of reactions.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Will play some of the best talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Producer Greg says, we have been deluged by responses from
you guys about whether or not to boo the Canadian
national anthem tonight during the big hockey game. Caroline Levitt
just addressed it from the White House Press briefing room
about what Trump thought, and we read you Trump's comments
earlier today. Fun responses rolling in, as you might well
(00:38):
imagine on the VIP emails as well. John, this is
very funny, John says, don't boo Canada's national anthem? Instead
chant fifty one fifty one fifty one. I think that's
a very funny idea, John.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Not exactly a call for sportsmanship, a call for more
funny trolling. Does this meet your school marmish expectations? Buck,
as in terms of behavior, would that be okay to
chant fifty one fifty I think John would get detention.
I think John would have to fee in detention for this.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, We're gonna bring in our friend Ryan Gurdusky
and the Clay and Buck podcast network in a moment,
but I did want to play. This is Caroline Levitt,
just moments ago cut thirty one from the White House.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He looks forward to watching the game tonight and we
look forward to the United States feeding our soon to
be fifty first state Canada.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Very funny trolling from Caroline Levitt, who has a great
sense of humor from New Hampshire, by the way, and
the Granite Staters are very proud of her. We bring
in now our good friend Ryan Gurdusky, affectionately the Data Nerd,
a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network, and
(01:49):
we wanted to get you on to talk about one
month into the Trump term what the data is looking like.
So let's start here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Are you surprised, pure from a you know, just kind
of analytics perspective, by how much ground Democrats have given
Trump to go after, whether it's men and women sports,
whether it's going after waste and fraud in the government,
how much ground they've given him that is actually very
(02:18):
very popular with large swaths of the American voting public. Democrat,
Republican and independent does it seem like a calculated error
by you on the side of the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I talked to actually Marjorie Taylor Green on my podcast
on your network, Numbers Game on the iHeart Network, and
we talked a bit about how the conversation around DOGE
especially is two separate conversations people are having, and the
concern over spending over deficit, spending over the debt kind
of supersedes that over data and protection and Elon Musk. Now,
(02:51):
Elon Musk is not a popular figure in almost every
single poll. Most Americans do not like Elon and they
feel very uncomfortable with how much influenced Elon has as
but that has not affected Trump himself. Trump is at
his most popular he's ever been. In the new C
and M pull that came out today, he is at
forty seven percent favorability fifty one percent unfavorable, which is
(03:12):
not bad. It's it's five points better than it was
in twenty seventeen at the same exact time, and that's
primarily because younger people have a nine point bounce in
favorability towards Trump, Minorities have a significant bounce towards Trump,
and men have a significant increase support for Trump. So
all three of those things, He's just really changed the
(03:33):
path for which they have And I think that I
think that where Democrats are is that they don't have it. One,
they don't have a central messenger, and too they don't
have a central message. And having Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters,
you know, grabbing their canes screaming out in the public,
and you know for USA idea program no one knew
about a year and a half ago or even a
(03:53):
month and a half ago. They it's not really that
appealing to them, and the conversation over a bad spy,
treadmills for shrimp or whatever they're spending money on really
supersedes a lot of their concerns. Is they don't have
a central concern.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Hey, Ryan, good to have you with us. As always
in congrats on the success of the podcast. The thank
you who listened, love it. It's been great. The numbers game,
so it seems like everything Trump is doing so far,
border does stuff, the cutting falls pretty close into a
sixty forty or something along those lines. A polling breakdown,
(04:31):
what is the what is the you think the next
important move for the administration? What are some of the
things that have been discussed that are on the near
horizon that could continue to just rack up the wins,
because it is in fact the case that we are
not tired of winning. Well.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
The most popular thing, believe or not in polling for
that Trump has done is the girls and Men and
Girls sports. I mean, it is wildly popular, even among
polls that have over sampled. I think Democrats and the
independent category or liberals in the independent category, wildly popular.
On immigration, it's pretty good on even on tariffs, which
(05:07):
have overwhelming negative news coverage, it's not that bad. The
only negative thing that they have really have that Democrats
have that is actually getting some traction is elon Musk
News and that's why I think you're going to hear
a lot more of it, and he will be the
central character more so than even Donald Trump himself as
far as attack goes. When it comes to Trump, the
(05:28):
economy has to be the next thing, because that's actually
where a lot of people are waiting for this magical
recovery to start, and inflation numbers are still modelly high. Obviously,
it's only been a month, so I'm not blaming Donald
Trump for that. But this major tax budget that's coming out,
that's supposed to sit there and reduce and tax on
(05:48):
tips and tax and overtime and tax on social security.
That may be a big boost the middle class and
the working class. And if that happens, and that's I think,
I think the central thing that Trump's is there and
rallies are, but that is really where he's got to
get more of a more of control over his death
economy because it was his strongest issue going into this election,
and or second strongest immigration, but one of his strongest
(06:11):
issues going to this election, and he's really got to
make good on it. And a lot of is out
of his hands, like the egg the price of eggs
because of you know, the even flu, but he's got
to sit there and start really leaning heavily into it.
The economy should be stronger on his list according to
most of these polls, and it's not, and part of
it's out of his hands, but he's got to really
really increase the effort, just real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Ryan, I think in the team fact check me on
this if I'm incorrect. With the cash Betel voting has
been happening, and I think Mitch McConnell just voted yes
on Cash. We had been told that it was going
to be a no or that was the reporting. How
do you see the positioning of some of these senators
who have been racal citrant about some of Trump's nominees
(06:53):
up to this point. You know they've some of them
have gone with it, some of them haven't. I guess
you know, for Maine, it's the best we can do
to have Susan conn Collins the way she is. But
how do you see the way the Senate has responded
to these these nominations so far? And what do you
think about if Cash gets Mitch voting for him, is
that a surprise to you?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, I was actually surprised by that information. I mean,
Susan Collins, I think is the only Republican voted to
know the first time around. And Collins did vote for Toulci,
she did vote for RFK. She has a really good
relationship with Senate Vice President jd Vance when they were
senators together. So Van's really trying to meet with her
and help with getting Tolsi over the finish line. I
(07:32):
think made a big impact. McConnell also has to say
this is his last term. No one is surprised by that.
He's had a lot of health issues. And I'm not,
you know, ah any ill for that, but he has
had a lot of health issues. I think that I
think that McConnell's making his legacy right now, and he's
hoping that his legacy is that he will be the
voice of reason in an era of MAGA when the
(07:53):
history books are written. I think that is what he's
hoping his legacy will be. And you know, he doesn't
like Donald Trump. He's never liked Donald Trump. And he's
come up on the losing side of the Republican political revolution.
So he's doing what he thinks is his last Dan
Curtis is a very moderate Republican. He'll probably be the
leader of that. But this is Curtis. Senator Curtis is
(08:13):
from Utah. He took over from Mitt Romney. Lisa Murkowski
is Lisa Murkowski. No one particularly cares for her. But
even Senator Cassidy, who voted to impeach Donald Trump, has
voted for all of his people. Now that he's going
into a very tough reelection fight that he's not doing
very well in the early polling for so, I think
a lot of it is sitting there and saying we
(08:34):
have to capitulate, we have to work. I mean, it's
it would not be shocking. Actually if we if we
turn back time and Matt Gates sat instead in the position,
if he would have actually gone through, by how much
people have sat there and changed their minds and capitulated
towards getting Trump's the administration that he wants cash Battell
you know he did a lot. He said, he was
on a lot of cookie podcasts in twenty twenty one,
(08:56):
twenty one on but he has a very very astounding
career and the FBI so maybe him and McConnell had
a meeting and he told him his his credentials and
that was enough to win McConnell over.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
We're talking to Ryan Gardeski.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Ryan, big discussion of late about the Democrats hemorrhaging support
with men. You mentioned the transsports issue, that is men
identifying as women. Men are like ninety ten on that
ninety five to five. But CBS even had it, and
I had not seen this in a long time. They
(09:29):
had Trump plus twenty in male approval rating sixty forty.
How much of it And you may have seen me
talking about this last week at the University of Chicago.
How concerned do you think Democrats should be about their
loss of support among male voters.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I mean, they have a Democrats have a fundamental branding problem,
and it's a branding problem where they.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Are the HR party.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
They're the ones who are going to turn you in
for you know, anything you possibly do wrong. Is it
is a it is a cultural loss, the likes we
haven't seen in decades. I mean it's probably since I
was a child, where a lot of the cultural influence
is coming from Conservatives and from Republicans, and there is
a general sense of defeat and a general sense of
(10:17):
eye rolling when they talk about things like DEI or
the future's female, or just constant nagging, like they are
the Party of nagging. There's been so many clips of
side by sides of like female journalists or female Democratic
senators yelling at Republican senators or Jdvans when he's on
with on CBS and you just sit there and every
(10:37):
man can sit there and say, yeah, I've had that
kind of moment. God, is it annoying. I think that
that is. I think that that is part of their
problems as a brand, as a party brand, And I
don't think that AOC is the salvation for it, and
David Hogg is not the answer for it. Maybe John
Fetterman is. I'm not even making a joke, but it's
(10:58):
who has come up and asked to lead the party
is not that. And the central problem that Democrats have
had for a long time, in the last like ten
to fifteen years, is the people that they've had to replace,
the Nancy Pelosis and the Stenny Hoyters and the Jim Clyburns.
Therefore the most part insane, like they went to the
Men's Institution as their reinforcements, and that's who they have
(11:21):
to lead the party. The leaders don't the next generation leaders.
It's not Josh Gottheimer, you know, the head of the
mainstream Democrats in New Jersey. It is the aocs and
the ilan Omars and the people who really are You know,
if you think the Democratic Party was radical under Nancy Pelosi,
you haven't seen anything yet. So until you get a
(11:42):
hold of that, and until central Central's Democrats are voting
in primaries and huge numbers to really upset that and
kick out the loudest voice in the room, I don't know.
You know, a BuzzFeed culture is not the one that's
going to sit there and lead the Democratic Party to salvation.
And that's who they have is their next lead.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Ryan's podcast is It's a numbers game. It's up in
the Clay and Buck podcast network. Gosh it all. Check
it out. He does a great data break down, a
lot of political analysis. Ryan knows the ins and outs
of that backwards and forwards Ron before we let you go.
Clay loves to make far out predictions and we have
to always flag it and see he has predicted that
(12:22):
right now based on what we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Michelle.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
No, no, no, don't worry. He was wrong on that one.
I have a let him forget. I said, no more,
Michelle Obama talk. No one's allowed to say. Oprah is
gonna run like these are. We've heard this before. It's
not gonna happen, he says. Cuomo right now, Andrew Cuomo
for twenty twenty eight after he becomes mayor in New York,
do you agree with that? Is that insane? And who
(12:48):
do you think is going to emerge? And I know
we're going way out in the future here, but just
kind of curious. We'll make a note of this.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't I don't think so. I mean, I like, listen,
I don't. I have a tougher time thinking Democratic Party
is going to become the party of white men. Then
they are going to stop nominating women. It's just the
functionality of the party. Maybe Andrewomo could do it, but
I don't know. I mean, I don't. I have a hard,
hard sense of that. He is a disgrace from our governor.
He's running for mayor. He may be mayor, but a
(13:15):
New York City mayor. Of the last four have either
talked about running for president or have ran for president,
all remarkably unsuccessfully.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If if you, if you Ryan, if you had to
abandon all of your principles and run a campaign for
a Democrat in twenty twenty eight, based on the field
right now, who would it be?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Wes Moore? From the governor and Wes Moore.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's what we've talked.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
We have discussed, Yeah, Wes more government, very very very
very like good candidate, strong candidate, you know, not some
on the issues, but good candidate. Actually, next Monday, when
my podcast drops, I have a whole episode on the
business of campaigns and the business of politics. What it
actually very run for office? You really really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, well check it out. I mean that's stuff that
people really need to know. I'm going to listen to it,
qu no doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
One last question here for you, Ryan, I encourage everybody
to go subscribe to the podcast. You can find it
in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Do you think
Kamala has a viable political future going forward? We were
talking about this, debating this earlier in the show. What
happens with Kamala next? I know she signed with CIA,
She's gonna make a lot of money giving speeches, but
(14:23):
does she run for governor? Does she think that she
has a chance in twenty eight? Do you think where
do we go from here with Kamala?
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I mean the joke in me since here and says
her futures at AA, But I mean the real the
thing is I think that she has no, she doesn't
have a future. She lost She is like, did John
Kerry have a future in two thousand and four? I
mean that's literally saying, hey, you know, should run in
two thousand and eight John Kerry, Like no, it's over,
Like put a pin. I would have a hard time
(14:53):
seeing Democrats run a woman for president for the next decade.
The last two did not go well for them and
it led to Trump. Who is their most hated person
is Richard Nixon. I don't see how they're going to
nominate another woman. So Gretchen Whitmer, with all the plastic
surgery she's done, I think it was old waste. I
don't see how they're gonna nominate it. I think it's
going to be a man. I would put my money
(15:13):
either on Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, and Wes More and
more likely because he's black. Joshapiro is Jewish, which creates
a ton of problems. Also, if anyone has a tape
of Joshapiro pre two thousand and eight and when he
started speaking like Obama, I would love to know what
he actually sounds like, because I've never met a Jew
from the suburbs who talks like a black pastor before.
But that's Josh Shapiro the But that's who I would
(15:34):
put my money on. They're gonna sit there and pick
a centrist Democrat man. They're not going to pick a woman,
and they're not. I don't have a hard time just
gonna pick a white guy. It's a party that has
told white men forever. You are the problem behind every
civilizational you know, issue and problematic. You're problematic. You're problematic.
You're problematic. I don't see how they're going to.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
To get the rest of it. We got to go
to Ryan's podcast. Everybody. It's a numbers game in the
Clan Black Network. Ryan Gerdusky. Great to have you. We'll
talk to you soon.
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Speaker 2 (19:02):
As we went to break official Now, Cash Patel has
been confirmed as the next director of the FBI. Fifty
one to forty nine vote. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins,
the two Republican senators who voted against Cash Patel. I'll
just say this as we bring in our friend Carol Markowitz.
(19:26):
I understand Susan Collins, she's in Maine. It is a
state that Trump has never won. It is a state
that would be hard for a Republican to win. She
has to balance all of that, and she's up for
reelection in twenty twenty six. Lisa Markowski, what are you
doing Alaska? Why do you have a state that Trump
(19:47):
won overwhelmingly, a senator that is refusing to support many
of the nominees that Trump has put forward. I think
Alaska could do better, let me just say it, than
Lisa Murkowski. We bring in now well, Carol Markowitz. Carol,
we got a lot to talk about with you, but
I want to start with sadly, the awful, the awful
(20:10):
video we saw of true babies that have been killed,
kidnapped by Hamas and the reaction as those caskets were
turned over to the people of Israel. You've talked a
lot about your reaction to October seventh, and you're a
mom of three. I imagine that that was devastating to
(20:32):
watch and see what is actually still the consequences are
October seventh, to kill true babies and hold them hostage
is beyond the pale.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
It really is. And thank you so much for having
me on. I have two little redheaded boys. Myself, I
have felt the pain of the Babist family the whole time,
just horrific to know what they went through and what
their last moments were. Probably, Like I think anybody, whether
or not you have children, anybody human should understand that
(21:02):
this was not something that happens in war. You know,
my nine year old last year said to me something like,
why doesn't Israel just kidnap the Palestinian children and then
you know they can salt to them? Because Israel would
never do that. That's why it's something that would only
monsters would do that. And an important part to understand
(21:23):
is that it wasn't Hamas who kidnapped that family. It
was normal Gosins who had broken through the fence and
stole these children, you know, in their pajamas from their
home with their mom. And it was you know, what
people call normal Palestinians who are not in Kamas. And
still this is what happened, so very tragic day. I
(21:43):
think a lot of us knew that it was heading
in this direction, but still just the sadness and the
anger today is palpable.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So Carol, I guess now we should just expect that
the very zealous pro Hamas pro Palestinian wing of the
Democrat Party in this country is just going to be
quiet about this for the next few days because it
seems to me that in any circumstance, when you have
(22:13):
an entity, whether it's a government, a terrorist group, anything,
that kidnaps literal babies and then kills them, I mean,
refrains from or refuses to keep them alive while in
their custody as hostages, you couldn't have a more clear
depiction of the active decision to conduct evil And I
(22:36):
just feel like this should be something that every person
who's been out there crying about the devastation of buildings
in Gaza should have to answer for. Why shouldn't Gaza
be raised to the ground if Hamas is going to
conduct terrorist attacks that include the kidnapping and decision to
(22:57):
murder babies in their custody.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Yeah, well that's again, that's the whole thing with noting
that it's every day Palestinians who did this, because the
argument usually goes, look, the Palestinians don't want Hamas in charge,
they have no choice. This is not them, This is
only a terrorist group. You can't blame all Palestinians for this.
But it actually was all Palestinians. And you know, people
have noted that there were Nazis who helped, you know,
(23:23):
high Jews, for example, during World War Two, there were
no Palestinians who helped a single hostage here. There was
not one Palestinian who said, I'm going to take the
reward that Israel is offering that will change my family's
life forever and help return these hostages to their homes.
None of them did that. So yeah, I think what
the squad and people like that count on is a
(23:44):
short memory. Americans are very pro Israel, and it makes
sense where both you know, both countries are a civilization.
They're not backward, murderous countries that think it's okay to
kidnap children. So you know, what they have to do.
Who is to kind of keep this quiet from Americans
so that Americans aren't enraged by the murder of two
(24:06):
children and their mother. And also today another the fourth
body coming home today is an eighty four year old
man who was a peace activist who brought Palestinians to
Israel to the hospitals for treatment because he wanted so
badly to have this peace with the Palestinians. And then
they used his peacefulness against him and murdered him. So
I think what the squad is trying to do is
(24:28):
trying to minimize the attentions of this gift and hope
that Americans don't notice. But I believe in Americans, and
I know that Americans care a lot about justice and fairness,
and I know that they stand with Israel because Israel
represents our values over.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
There, Carol, shifting gears here a bit. One month in
the Trump administration? What grade would you give them? Have
you been surprised by how quickly they've moved? How do
you think they're doing?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I am so pleasant surprised.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Look, I was very excited for this administration. I early
voted for Donald Trump on day one of early voting
in Florida. I could not wait to vote for Trump fans.
I was excited about it. But they have exceeded all
of my expectations. And you know, I wrote about this
today for Fox News. But the one month anniversary, what
I really have noticed in the last month is that
(25:23):
we have a president again, and that is such a
comforting feeling. Even though I didn't like Joe Biden, I
didn't want the Joe Biden administration. The fact that he
was absent for such long periods of time and we
didn't know who was making policies or what to expect
from that administration. It's scary. And I think that what
Americans have felt in the last year and the last month, sorry,
(25:44):
is a sense of comfort where we know who's making policies,
we know who's in charge, we know what to expect,
and that is a really important feeling. So I've been thrilled,
I mean a plus plus. I, you know, have minor
quibbles with the Trump administration right now that I can't
even know verbalize that I is mostly I'm very, very
(26:07):
happy with how things are going.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Speaking to Carol Marko, which she's got a podcast with
us on the Clay and Buck network, and what is
the Normy Mom's podcast called You Give Two Podcast, I.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Have two podcasts on the Clay and Buck Network. I
have the Carol markt which show, which I say is
my sort of non political podcast where I ask political
people non political questions. And then I have Normally that
I co hosted Mary Catherine Ham where we talk news
of the day and break it down in a humorous fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Well, thank you for doing great work on that audience,
really enjoying both of those shows. As the numbers attest
to Carol, I want to switch gears for a second
to New York. Actually, we're doing around the world that
everyone want to configue New York City. So it comes
out that a couple of things have happened the last
twenty four hours. Trump has squashed congestion pricing, which was
(26:58):
pushed by Governor Kathy Hoak over the strenuous objections of
many many New Yorkers, not just Republicans or people on
the right, a lot of New Yorkers like this is nuts.
And now Kathy Hochel has also made it clear she
will not just unilaterally fire the Mayor of New York City,
Eric Adams. What the heck is going on here? It
(27:19):
just feels like the Democrats can't get out of their
own way in the Empire State.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
It's amazing. So what's really interesting to me is why
would Trump care about this congestion pricing? And I think
that one of the criticisms I had of the Trump
administration last time around was that they weren't looking towards
the future, that they weren't thinking about Republican wins in
the future. And to me, this congestion pricing thing is
very much a future looking thing. This wasn't about New York.
(27:44):
This was about New Jersey. New Jersey drivers were having
to pay this congestion pricing in New York City if
they drove into the city, and they were really suffering
with it. It was nine dollars is going to go
up even higher. And it's the New Jersey voter that
I think the Trump administration is courting here. New Jersey
has been kind of close in the last few elections,
and there's a real chance that it can go right
(28:06):
in the future. So to me, this was a future
election vision where New Jersey can possibly be moved, and
I love it. I love everything about that. Then the
Kathy Hokal not getting rid of Mayor Eric Adams, I
think it would have been really difficult for her to
do that. He's an elected mayor, whatever you think of him,
and I happen to think he's the best of a
(28:27):
really terrible bunch in New York City. So I think
if she had gotten rid of him, I don't know
how her own political career would have survived it. And
I think that's really where she came down on this.
It's not that she cared about New York. It's not
that she cared about Mayor Adam. She was looking at
her own career and saying, where will this leave me?
And I think a lot of people would have been really,
really mad had she gotten rid of him, and then
(28:51):
Jamaine Williams, the public defender on sorry the public advocate,
would have become the mayor. And he's super far left,
you know, big on defunding the police while himself living
on a military base with full security, of course, and
I think people would have been really pissed off. So
that's why she backed off and win win for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
We're talking to Carol Marco. It's okay, really important question
here to close out. Carol, your husband is a big
football fan. I know that you have sons who are
big fans too of sports. Will you be watching US
Canada tonight in your home, this big hockey game, and
do you have a strong take on whether I'm sure
(29:33):
you saw that Canada booed the United States national anthem
on Saturday? Should we boo mean Boston sports fans the
Canadian national anthem tonight?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
So, I would say, no, we shouldn't boo because look,
it's more like we don't even think about them. Who
are they? They're not relevant to us. You know, they
think about us quite a bit, and so that's why
they boot our anthem. They're real mad at us whatever.
Mary Catherine Ham and I talked about this on normally,
but there's nothing that Americans like more than succeeding in
(30:06):
a sport that we largely don't care about. So I'm
going to be watching this game for sure. I'm going
to be rooting for America. And you know, living in Florida,
it's extra fun because Florida has had a really good
run in hockey in the last few years. Florida Pantas
has been doing great, and it's it's great because you
live in this warm climate and hockey is what we're
winning down here. So it's terrific, It's and I can't
(30:29):
wait to watch the game. No, don't believe the anthem.
Let them have this. You know, again, we don't even
think of them.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
What does Canada have if we beat them in hockey? Carol, Like,
what does the whole country have to go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All day to day? I'm just saying this is their thing.
You mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This is not even that high of a priority for
American sports fans. If we take hockey from them, what
do they have left?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, that's exactly it. I don't know they have their
maple syrup, even though you know, Vermont.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is kind of your preacher the choir. I think Vermont
better maple syrup.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Than Canada, right, So that's it. They're really they're out
of the game altogether.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
They always it always just to bother me when I
would travel and Canadians would wear the Canadian flag on
their backpack so nobody would mistake them for American, and
I'd be like, nobody cares about you, and nobody cares
if you're an American or not, like, get over yourselves. They
have this odd you know, nationalism that they pretend is positive,
but it's really not. So I don't know, let's, you
(31:28):
know again, let's just beat them and go home and
forget about it completely for another year, because that's how
we do it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I'm just agast at how many shots Canada's taken to
the face on the ice on this show today. It's
just they're missing the front tooth. They got the whole
hockey thing going. They got califlower ear. It's a rough
day for Canada. But Carol markle w it's go check
out the Karen Marco would show on the Clan book
networking also normally with her and Mary Catherine Ham. Great
for everybody, especially the moms and our audience. You will
(31:57):
love it, Carol. Give a big hug to Shy from
both of us and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That is Carol Markowitch. She is fabulous and I think
buck she might have been more crushing of Canada than me,
because I was just kind of taking shots in a
fun way.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Like Mama Grizzly. She has Mamma Grizzly zone she can
go into, and when it comes to her American patriotism,
she's ready to.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He was just kind of clinically pointing out, don't It's
like when you break up with somebody and you don't
even bother to care about them anymore, right, Like She's like,
there are you saying that America is Don draper looking
at Canada saying I don't think about you at all.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
That famous meme from uh from mad Men For those
of you watch guy says, hey, I'm really worried about you,
and Don Draper just says, I don't think about you
at all. Look, I'm out of Miami right now, running around.
We got a fun dinner schedule tonight with the iHeart Crew.
But if you are out there right now, and maybe
you're gonna stay up tonight and you're gonna watch that
(32:56):
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a stay up a little bit later than you usually would,
and then when you wake up on Friday morning, maybe
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
My name Clay closing up shop today on Clay and
Buck and I have to say, I feel like we're
going to get some interesting emails from our Canadian listeners
after today. This just note that the Buckster did his
(34:35):
best for you Canooks, but some heat was coming your way.
Let's get to some of these talkbacks real quick here.
Let's see New York City listener James on the talkback
on the iHeart App BB play It producer Greg. That
was awesome. Poutine eating monkeys.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Oh my god, nice my crack coffee right quest, thanks
for that.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'm going to have a good game, all right, that
guy's can I just say clay producer Greg is generally
a very just like polite and and you know, spitting
polished guy, you know, but when the hockey comes out,
all of a sudden, he's like the brawl. He's like
the enforcer on the ice. I was not expecting it,
(35:24):
no doubt. Let's see, uh DeWeese.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
By the way, you can talk back on the iHeartRadio app.
Producer Greg sees all these DeWeese. Uh listener on KFBK
in Sacramento, California.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What you got for us?
Speaker 6 (35:37):
All right? To drinking at sporting events, I'm sorry. The
Philadelphia Eagles football team out, I mean, anybody, anybody. They
have their own jail in the stadium. So no, the Eagles,
those are some fish.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
They consume more alcohol than any sports. I mean you
can find excuse me, hockey and baseball the Eagles, Eagles
stadium period.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh these are great South Florida listener, Oswaldo listening to
us down here on WIOD where we both are in
Miami at double FF here, let's play this.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I had a change of heart about this.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Initially, I thought we should boo the Canadian national anthem
if they bow ours. But the better thing is to
if they decide to boo our national anthem, we should
just cheer very very loud, or actually sing our national
anthem and drown them out.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
We're in last world. We don't have time play. We're
at time. But that was a great one from Asvaldo.
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