June 23, 2025 • 36 mins
In hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts provided breaking news coverage of Iran's missile attack on a US base in Qatar. They reported that all Iranian missiles were intercepted with no American casualties, suggesting Iran had "effectively thrown in the towel" with what appeared to be a face-saving gesture following the weekend's impressive US B-2 bomber strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. The hosts discussed how Iran seems increasingly isolated, with Saudi Arabia and Qatar both condemning the Iranian strikes, contradicting predictions that other nations would oppose US involvement.
The conversation shifted to New York City politics, with Buck (a former New York resident who relocated to Florida) and Clay discussing the concerning mayoral situation where Andrew Cuomo might be the "best case scenario" despite his controversial COVID-19 record and resignation over sexual harassment allegations. They examined how high taxes in states like New York, California, and Illinois are driving wealthy taxpayers to more affordable states like Florida, Tennessee, and Texas. The hosts also addressed some criticism from Republican figures, particularly Marjorie Taylor Greene's claim that the US was entering "World War III," which they characterized as an overreaction to current events in the Middle East. The hour concluded with Clay thanking WTCM Newstalk 580, a new affiliate in Traverse City, Michigan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour three of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
just in case you're joining us and missed the first
part of the show. Update here Iran fired ballistic missiles
at a US base and Cutter. So far reporting is
that all the missiles that are on fired have been intercepted.
No injuries to speak of yet, and it looks like
(00:21):
Iran going through the motions on some form of retaliation
after the US over the weekend had its B two bombers,
which I must say, big winner over the weekend, the
B two bomber program. Two point four billion dollars apiece
for those planes, but pretty impressive, pretty impressive what they
can do, fly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
From dudes fly in those and I know there was
we'll have some fun maybe at the end of the
show with the boys in the planes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
That turned into a controversy for the New York Times.
You saw this.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But thirty seven hours they start off going east. They
confuse people, make them think that we're headed west and NonStop.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Fueling in the air proceeding.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They got microwaves up there, they got a little laboratory
facility and they're basicallytting this cockpit. You know, it's not
deluxe accommodations, but they they're able to fly and deliver
these strikes they take off. I think the reports from Missouri,
from the air base in Missouri so pretty amazing when
you think about what the capabilities of the United States
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military are, and we saw them on display.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean, it was really really incredible. Thanks to them.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And again to update everybody out there, because I know
many of you may have family members serving in the
Middle East. Friends, it appears that Iran has effectively thrown
in the towel on their response. Here reports that they
fired the same number of missiles that we did, that
they were all intercepted, no casualty so far, And the
(01:51):
decision now will be back in the proverbial court of
Donald Trump. Do we say, okay, this is a you know,
we attack their nuclear weapons abilities, we wipe them largely out.
Iran has basically uttered a face saving gesture of response,
and we're now going to step back and let Israel
(02:12):
do as they see fit, like we'll see the balls
back in our court.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think it's fair to say yes.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So now we can take a moment because there's not
much in the way of updates on the Iran situation.
Now we can take a moment, I think to look
at the mayor's race in New York City, just as
we are on the eve of the primary there.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
As you know, New York is a very.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Much a Democrat enclave, something like eighty percent to eighty
percent of voters in the five boroughs though Democrat, give
or take. And so if you win the Democrat primary,
you're going to be the next mayor of New York.
I think that is clear. And they have ranked choice
(02:58):
as well, so you you're number one, and then your
number two and your three. It's a you go down
this whole rabbit hole of rank choice. Cuomo had been
the candidate that Clay has been saying is gonna win. Clay,
I don't know. I don't know if he's gonna win.
It's looking a little shaky. Here your whole comeback theory.
(03:19):
It might you know, it's looking a little.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How bad your home city of New York City has
gotten that the best case scenario for the city at
this point. Yeh seems to be one of the worst
governors during COVID, who sent people into nursing homes to
effectively die, who got everything wrong, and had to resign
in shame because of sexual harassment, is infinitely the best
(03:45):
choice that Democrats could pick, and that they actually have
a far worse decision that may be made.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This is like if Gavin Newsom was running for mayor
of New York and he was up against a lunatic socialist.
I guess Gavin Newsom would be a better choice too.
I mean, the Gavin Newsom in Cuomo to me are
very similar on the on the COVID record and just
both absolutely awful.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
When you see this as a born and raised New
York City resident who finally got fed up and moved
to Miami, but you have a lot of family and
friends in New York City, do you take it as
validation for the fact that leaving was the right call
or you more resigned and sad that New York City
could be in a position this bad.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Both.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I I you know, half my family still lives in
New York and in Manhattan. And you know we have
our studio in Manhattan, which you and I both make
pilgrimages too on a regular basis, not that regular New
York tax man, but you know, you know, once once
in a rare while in my case, but Clay is
(04:48):
not so much on the radarcs.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
He never lived in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But I I will say this, uh, it's okay, this
is a perfect we need to describe as Mamdani guy.
In a second, we'll give you some updates on this
guy is our friend Carol Markowitz, who's one of our
podcast hosts.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
In the Clay and Buck Network. It's this great show.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Longtime New Yorker like me, moved to Florida like me
also and right around the same time I did. And
she says, because I like to tell stories about the
old days in the early nineties, where there was just
crime everywhere, graffiti everywhere, people getting robbed, people getting mugged,
totally normal. No one even noticed people in my school.
We had to get a security guard posted outside of
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my Catholic school on the Upper East Side, which is
among and at the time was definitely the nicest, I
would argue Upper West, Upper East parts of the city
because so many kids play. They're talking about grammar school kids.
We're getting robbed, you know, by like young gang members
were showing up and they were, you know, saying, run
your pockets and take all your stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Anyway, it was crazy. I mean, I say this stuff
out loud. No onmal believes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
You.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Look at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
You had twenty one hundred homicides in nineteen ninety nineteen
ninety one.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Twenty one hundred homicides in New York City.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Terra Mark who had said this, though it's brilliant insight.
The difference between then and now is that then, even then,
even Democrats agreed that crime was a bad thing that
you want to get rid of. Now, they may may
have taken them too long to figure out how to
do it, but they wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Now I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Now, I think that they've been convinced that the true leftist,
socialist maniac Democrats out there, like this Mamdani guy.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They think that crime is like the cry of.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
The oppressed or something, and that this is something that
society just has to accept, and that is terrifying. I mean,
here's it. Let me give you an example. Here is Mamdani.
This is back in.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
This is the guy who's now ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
In the polls to be mayor of New York. Okay,
he's ahead of Cuomo, to be clear, as of today.
This is back in twenty twenty New York State Assemblyman
Zoran Mamdani Play thirty six.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Do you think that we have to almost do without
policing in certain areas which are labeled to being high
to have alternative bodies the listen and a more compassionate,
more merciful, more social assistant and helping more than arresting
and putting in jail.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I absolutely think that what we need to do is
give support and funding two institutions that are trained to
deal with.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
These kinds of issues.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
As you said, if you're having an argument with someone
and there's a risk of it escalating, who is better
positioned to.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
De escalate it?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Someone who is well known in the community, or someone
who has been trained specifically in de escalation, or a
stranger who has a gun?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, who wants that job? Who wants to be the
dif first side? This is so, this is living in
an alternate universe. But there was talking about this violence interrupters.
They were calling this, We're gonna have somebody who will
negotiate between the gangs. No, the gangs are shooting each
other over drug territory because that's what they do. Then
if you don't have a gun, they're gonna shoot you too.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, and look this guy, I believe we have another
cut that just kind of gives you a sense of
how crazy this guy is.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And he may be the next mayor of New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And if you're wondering, what's the timing on this, Tomorrow
is officially primary day, right. I believe New York City staff,
you guys can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Tomorrow is officially primary day. They have been doing early
voting every day up to the twenty fourth, and I
believe tomorrow is Democrat primary day. So this is the
(08:29):
day when everybody's gonna go out and be making the decisions.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
This guy said that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
He wants to launch government run supermarkets in New York
City if he's elected mayor. This is how crazy this
guy is. This is Mom, Donnie. And again, the primary
is tomorrow, so this will be decided in short order.
And there's the rank choice primary voting and everything else.
So it's a messy situation. But a lot of you
(08:56):
out there listening. This is the first major election that
we will have I seen since Trump was elected about
six months ago. Here he is saying, Hey, we need
government run supermarkets, like we're in Russia back in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Listen, ghostree prices are out of control. The cost of
eggs and milk has skyrocketed. The dumb stores are even
using dynamic pricing, jacking up the cost over the course
of a day depending on what they can get away with.
It doesn't need to be this way. I'm Zarambani and
as mayor, I will create a network of city owned
grocery stores. It's like a public option for produce. We
will redirect city funds from corporate supermarkets to city owned
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grocery stores whose mission is lower prices, not price gouging.
These stores will operate without a profit motive or having
to pay property taxes or rent, and we'll pass on
those savings to you.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Do you know where you're really going to be able
to trust the meat quality?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know where you're really going to be able to
know that you're getting the best delivery of that produce
and you can count on it. The DMV grocery store.
That's where you really want to be. You want on
accountable government bureaucrats to be in charge of picking the
freshest fish to put out on the counter. That's gonna
work out great.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This guy is offering people breadlines, yes, and they're voting
for it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Again.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is why I think everybody should have to go
walk through the streets of Cuba. Because you're down in
South Florida and a lot of our listeners have family
in Cuba. Go see what government runs supermarkets in Cuba
look like. See what's available on the shelves, See what's available.
See how long you have to stand in line to
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try and buy these products. This is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So sad that he's running.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's an Ada's running now. But it's so stupid too.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
This is like when people complain about about the gas stay.
You've pointed this out that the profit margin on gas
is tiny. The profit margin that grocery stores have to make, Yeah,
that that they make is like one or two percent.
But because they everyone has to buy groceries to live. Basically,
if you're in a neighborhood where there are people, yes
you're gonna make money. But this idea that the fat
(11:10):
cats are are somehow just extracting from everybody because they're
the price of eggs is the price of eggs because
of the demand versus the supply. The idiot socialists who
have no understanding of economics or history. Keep making these
same arguments. This guy's backed by AOC, he's backed by
Bernie Sanders. He's horrible on crime, he's horrible on the economy.
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I mean everything that New York City needs help with.
This guy is going to be a disaster on and
I just who is. But you know what, he'll be
the first Muslim mayor of New York City. They can
talk about diversity, they can talk about inclusion, and they
can talk about caring about the poor while they Oh,
he wants to create two hundred thousand new housing units. Okay,
(11:59):
how's that gonna go. Where's that money going to come from?
And what are those housing units going to be?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
You know, you start to look at this guy.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know what, people generally don't get excited about living
in government housing projects in New York.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You know why because.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
They're generally not very nice and they never increase in
real estate value because they're projects.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Did you see what Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida said
sharing a story about this guy's platform.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
This is going to be great for property values in
Palm Beach. That's what begins.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's totally true, it's totally true, We're just going to
keep it. You know that New York has lost what
do you remember what the figure is. I think it
was thirteen billion dollars, is what I saw. Oh the
percentage of people.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And this is so important, and I think a lot
of people still haven't recognized it. I live in Tennessee,
you live in Florida. A lot of you out there
live in Texas. When you have no state income tax,
it makes a difference if you make seventy five or
eighty or one hundred thousand dollars a year, if you
make ten million dollars a year or something like that,
like a lot of these hedge fund and private equity
(13:01):
guys do You're talking about putting an extra million dollars
in your pocket over the course of one year. And
they found out, now we can live anywhere. Why would
we give that to.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The This is also a way of saying and you
don't have to make even ten million dollars. I mean,
you look at this. You know, let's you're talking about
New York City, it's fourteen percent for a lot of people.
If you're in let's say you're making a million dollars
a year, which isn't you know, isn't as much as
it used to be. But if you make a million
dollars a year, you're saving one hundred and forty grand
under taxes. For a lot of people, that covers a
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lot of their living expense. So the state it's like, Clay,
imagine this, well, you actually have the same thing. It's
like the state of Tennessee is saying, hey, Clay, you
don't have to pay your rent, you don't have to
pay for your food. We'll cover that for you if
you live here. That's what it's like for people who
leave New York to go to Texas, Tennessee, Florida.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Uh In my neighborhood, Buck.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The number of people that have abandoned Florida, that have
abandoned Illinois, that have a abandon New York over state
and local tax and actually can pay almost their entire
mortgage just based off the money that they're saving on
those taxes is massive. And the more money you have,
the more flexibility you have to be able to live anywhere.
So the people that New York's losing, that Illinois is losing,
(14:15):
that California is losing, are the biggest taxpayers that are
funding all of this crazy government expense, and at some
point that becomes an issue, and I'm afraid New York
City is starting to figure that out.
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in updating you on what's
going on in the Middle East. Aaran seems to have
effectively down They noticed, gave us notice in advance of
their response. No American casualties on the ground. The Saudis
(16:09):
have now condemned Iranian strikes on Qatar, as Qatar also
condemned Iranian attacks. I think it's really important here and
we'll break down this for you more now that we
can kind of start to think about what's gonna happen next.
But Buck, the Iranians are effectively isolated. The people out
(16:30):
there who said, oh look out, China's gonna come in,
Russia's gonna come in. Other Middle Eastern countries are going
to line up and they are gonna be real consequences
if Israel attacks Iran, God forbid the United States gets involved.
Seems like that hasn't happened at all. In fact, Iran
has basically rolled over and is begging for the United
(16:53):
States not to attack them anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Like I said, we'll get into this and also some
of your some of your talk and calls on the
Iran issue here in just a moment. The remaining question, though,
is I would want to know, and you know, Trump
will probably tell us because he's Trump. Well, what does
Trump want next? He says he wants there to be
a deal, right, because he's Trump, he wants a deal.
Does that deal mean that the current Iranian regime, if
(17:19):
they repent of their ways in some way post nuclear program,
would be allowed to you know, if there's a trust
but verify in place.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Move more toward normalcy or is it? You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
We need somebody else in charge here, and good luck
to you guys over in Iran. We're not doing it
for you, That's what I don't have clarity. I don't
think anyone has clarity on these yet. What comes next?
In Iran if current trends continue.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, And I think the big question is this is
an Iranian decision. Do they look around and start to
recognize again if they can get access to the internet,
if they can see how this is playing out that
after forty six years, they have an impotent leader ship
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Speaker 4 (18:56):
All right, welcome back into clay Enbock.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
We're taking a look at the now after math of
the Iranian retaliatory missile strikes on a US base and Cutter,
and so far it was.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Pretty much a non event.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean so far as no casualties, no major destruction,
and the missiles were intercepted and the Iranians, it is
now reported coordinated like told America we're firing. So that
really is done, Clay, assuming that's all true, it is
like a stage managed response from the Mullahs, and so
(19:34):
we should continue to keep an eye on this, but
it looks pretty pretty contained for now. I want to
take some of your commentary thoughts into consideration here. The
lines are open eight hundred and two eighty two two
eight eight two we have. I thought this is funny
VIP email from Brian Liberals are against anyone having nuclear
(19:55):
power anywhere except for Iran. It is funny. Very Iranian
new clear ambitions are sacred. Anybody else nuclear power is scary, right,
but Irani and nuclear stuff is sacred according to the Libs.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I saw this and I thought this was kind of
a checkmate on the argument against nuclear strikes, strikes to
prevent nuclear weapons on our behalf by Trump. They said, oh,
now we're really in danger. There's no telling what Iran's
going to do now. And my argument was, well, if
you think that Iran is a huge threat, now, weren't
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they a way bigger threat with nuclear weapons? In other words,
I would rather than if they're going to attack us,
have less effective weapons than more effective weapons. I thought
that was kind of they were checkmating themselves with their
own logic, and they would say, well, now they're more
likely to strike us. I actually think we have ensured
and we're now seeing this that they don't have the
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ability to hit us with anything. Is the essence of this.
And I mentioned it earlier. If we could go back
in time and Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety four, I
saw Rama manual say this could have a do over.
He would have tried to wipe out North Korea. They said,
Jimmy Carter got over there.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Miss missile program, not the country, the missile program.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, yes, so yeah, yeah, we don't want to kill
in North Korea.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But yeah, he's like, hey, we bomb them, and we
bomb them again, and we bomb them some more.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
It's like, hey, buddy, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Of bombing UH North Korea nuclear weapons back in the nineties.
If we could have restricted their access to them, that
would have been a really good thing. And I think
the lesson that we learned from that is we cannot
allow these rogue dictator states to have access to nuclear
weapons because it's logical for them to want them, because
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it preserves their power because once you have them. Kim
Jong Un, your point, basically has created a theocracy built
around his father and UH and they you have to
bow down and worship him.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's not a good thing that they at some point
could have a guy just decide to bomb a nuclear
weapon there. But we don't have the ability to take
him out now and to take out their nuclear weapons.
We can't allow and Ron to be the equivalent of
North Korea in the decades to come.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Let's do a talk back here from Brian in Worcester, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
This is talkback d d.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Hi Buck Brian from Wister, mass I just wanted to
get your take on you have these leftist journals out
there this weekend saying that oh Iran, because Trump telegraphed
it so soon, Iran actually moved most of their enriched
uranium out of those sites and they still all have it.
I mean, I don't believe that, But I'm just wondering
what your analysis is on where they're getting that intel
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quote unquote from, and what you think the truthfulness of
it is. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, I don't I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And here here's why the Israelis have this whole place
mic though, Okay, this is one thing that we know.
If they know where to put the tactical missile strike
in an apartment building so that it only kills the
nuclear scientists, you are not about to believe. I don't
think anyone should believe that they would allow the evacuation
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of the most sensitive material from the sites that are
going to be completely saturated with intel, surveillance coverage, all
of that, right, So I do not buy. Yeah, did
they try to get some stuff out of there, I'm sure,
but I do not buy that they were able to
salvage their nuclear program with some last minute trucks. And
that the Israelis who are flying constant air strikes, let
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that that's the key, that's the key. Just logically think
through this. If you know that's a nuclear site.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And suddenly you bring the nuclear site out of the
bunkers to put it onto trucks, and Israel has complete
air superiority. You're actually making their job easier. So the
logic of that argument doesn't stand up to your point, Buck,
because Israel would just wipe out the trucks filled with
(24:08):
the nuclear armaments, and it would be way easier to
do that than have to go into the side of
a mountain like we had to do with the bunker
busting bombs.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Also, imagine that's your job. It's like you have to
move the enriched uranium.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I had last week, Buck, I was saying, I don't
know whether Orran had pulled all their guys out, but
can you imagine going into the FOURD dow the side
of the mountain for the last few weeks, when in
any moment you know that the US could decide to
just wipe you out. That's like the worst job in
the world. And I hope for those guys credit or safety.
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I don't want anybody to get killed who doesn't have
to get killed. I hope Iran didn't have them still
going into the mountain just waiting for the bunker busting
bomb to come in and wipe them out. I mean,
that's a kind of a that's a tough that's a
tough gig.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Some some folks on the right are gonna, i think,
have to take take a little bit of a moment
to collect themselves, maybe even take a chill pill and
and calm down about some of this stuff. I've seen
some really bad analysis of this from some and you're like, well, why,
(25:18):
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Why don't I name it?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's not about naming individuals, and people can see what
others have said, and I know I'm not I'm not
about and neither is Clay taking shots that are undermining
anybody on the on the right. Certainly in the commentary sphere. Politicians,
we have to hold du accounts. So sometimes we're gonna
get a little salty about what a Republican center is
voting for whatever. But other people that are commenting, they
have their audiences and they have what they do. And
(25:41):
but that's all the way of saying, you know, Marjorie
Taylor Green here saying that we are entering World War three,
in nuclear war, she she needs to calm down. That's
actually not that's actually not what we are doing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Play thirty seven, six months, six months.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
And see and here we are turning back on the
campaign promises and we bombed Iran on behalf of Israel. Yes,
it was on behalf of Israel. We are entering a
nuclear war, the World War three, because the entire world
is going to erupt. And you want to know, the
people that are cheering it on right now, their tune
(26:18):
is going to drastically change the minute we start seeing flag.
Drake Coffins on the Nightly News on Fox News that
brainwashes all the baby boomers, and on CNN that brainwashes
all the Democrat baby boomers. And that is exactly how
this is going.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
To go down.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That is not how this is going to go down.
I'm not saying, Look, we've left open. I said that
this thing could change overnight. There could be something that
happens and there's an issue and we have to handle it.
But what she's saying is that somehow Donald Trump would
have to be so inept, poor decision making, lacking in
strategic vision, that as commander in chief, you would allow
us to get drawn into a situation where the entire
(26:57):
world at some level, right, I mean not every country,
but where many countries are at war or of this
or that's crazy town stuff. And I can say that
very confidently, and if I end up being wrong, well,
who will care because it'll be the middle of World
War three. It's reckless to say this stuff. It's okay
to say we shouldn't strike Eram what we already have.
So that's you know, I don't begrudge anybody there. I
(27:19):
don't agree with the strike. I don't, you know, because
bad things are gonna happen. But when you're claiming that
we're in the midst now, or rather we're entering World
War three and nuclear war, you're saying crazy stuff that
is scaring people and preventing sober assessment of what's going
on and adult conversation about what should happen now. So
I very much disagree with Congresswoman Taylor Green's assessment here
(27:46):
to the point where I think she sounds like a
jackass and it's not a good thing to be doing.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I would just say, pretty straightforwardly, world War three requires
that ir On have an ally. Can you name one
country that has lined up behind Iran? This is where
I think that there has not been enough pointing this
out the middle Eastern countries want Israel to do this, right,
(28:12):
they may say again publicly, oh, Israel's like what Saudi
Arabia wants Iran to not.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Have nuclear weapons?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The UAE Qatar, all of them agree with what we
did and what.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Israel is doing.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
They're even China and Russia haven't said a word hardly.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
In definition.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
This is also like, think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You think the Chinese give a crap about what happens
to Iran, they do not. Okay, the Chinese, the Chinese
Communist Party doesn't care about what's happening to Chinese people
for the most part. Okay, they definitely don't care about
a few nuclear sites getting hit in Iran. Whatever their
diplomats say. No one's even gonna remember tomorrow, and their
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diplomats are just hoping they don't get thrown into some
dark celling portrait to death by Shijin Ping.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
So yeah, it's not This is not some there's no way.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If anything, China is looking at this and saying, oh,
maybe we need to reconsider invading Taiwan.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I know he's going to go Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I'm just saying, I don't know what would happen. Because
we have the strategic ambiguity perspective as it pertains to
what we would do if China tried to take Taiwan.
But I definitely think that the Chinese noticed, holy crap,
the US flew all around the world, wrecked the nuclear
capabilities of Iran, and the Iranians didn't even know we
(29:40):
were in their airspace. Maybe the US has got military
capabilities that would be a threat, and maybe they would
stand up for Tawan.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Maybe also just bringing back to Trump and the World
War three and all these conversations that are going on
right now, by the way, I think very few people
are actually making the case.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
There's some big voices that are saying.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But we're not we're not in the World War three
or you know, a long way from from anything that
would require or that should involve that level of it's hysterio. Okay,
that's hysteria. That's not that's not what's going on here.
Maybe Trump has learned the lesson though, you know, it's
amazing to me some of the people that have turned
And again MTG is a member of Congress, so i
(30:20):
I've a little more.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
But some of the people on the.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right that I'm seeing and including some that honestly look
I like and think are really good on a lot
of stuff. They're not good on this, and I think in.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Part it's you know, they.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
They've gone too far in the direction of you know,
everything everything now is the Iraq War and WMD lies,
everything is is a twenty year war in Afghanistan that
ends up with the Taliman coming back into power.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's like, well, you know, we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
There are plenty of things that happen that don't result
in this. And just because whether it's you know, airstrikes
in Syria, which by the way, Trump did in the
first Trump administration, nobody even remembers them.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
That's all you know about how much mission creep there was.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
There No one even remembers these missile strikes that we
did remember this, and there was talking about chemical weapons usage,
which now there's a lot of debate over whether that
even happened. Put that aside, I think Trump maybe did
learn the lesson though Clay, and the lesson is you
could hit people and then use hitting them as part
of the framework of understanding of you want to get
hit again or not behave you don't actually have to
(31:24):
remember the Colin Powell thing of you know, if you
break it, you buy it or whatever. I mean, that
was his that was his witticism that caught on with
so many people. No, actually, just because you bomb nuclear
reactors doesn't mean you have to have eighty second airborne
landing on the outskirts of Tehran season the airfields and
being in charge of like Iranian's plumbing for the next
(31:44):
ten years. Like, we don't actually have to do that.
Trump's not going to do that. I mean, that's what
I see from all this. I think the lesson has
been learned.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The other thing I would say here, some of you
were saying, Okay, how does this impact my pocket book?
Price of oil down seven and a half percent as
I am talking to you, down five dollars and fifty cents.
I was talking about this with buck Off Air. If
the big concern had been oh, the straight of hor moves,
how is this going to impact the overall price of oil?
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You know where most of Iran's oil goes, China. So
the last thing that China wants is Iranian oil fields
getting attacked because it increases the cost of their oil
and gas, which is about two percent of the overall population.
Overall supply, but overwhelmingly China benefits from discounted Iranian oil
(32:39):
and gas because of the sanctions that are in place.
So again, a lot of the analysis here has not
been sophisticated, and I think it builds on this buck
it's just an overall expectation of catastrophe everywhere. Sometimes catastrophe happens,
but if you expect all the time for everything to
(33:01):
end in catastrophe, most of the time you are going
to be wrong. And again, I think what we are
seeing in the reaction from Iran is it's very muted.
It's nowhere near World War three. And I would just say,
if you expect World War three to happen, you have
to name at least one significant country that is willing
to go to war to protect Iran.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I don't think there's even one of them. Just FYI, yeah,
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Think the Russians have a lot of extra manpower to
throw into situations. The Russians have had to bring North
Koreans to come help them out, and that's for a
fight that is very central to the Putin Russian Kremlin ethos.
So people, look, you don't need to know something about
something to have a lot of ideas about that thing.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And there are a lot of people out there right now.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Who don't know nothing about nothing, all right, and they're
really really flapping their gums on this stuff in ways
that I think are unhelpful.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Again, they're entied to America title do.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
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Speaker 2 (35:21):
Welcome back in Closing Up Shop Monday edition of the program,
just to reinforce if you happen to just be getting
in your car. Iran has responded, no casualties, no bombs reached,
the ground shot down, and they appear to be saying
basically we're done, so World War three does not appear
(35:42):
likely to have happened. We will continue to update you
on this. I'm sure there's going to be more drama
in the Middle East. Want to say this, thank you,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
This is the forty year anniversary of Buck and I
starting this show, and it.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Look we I hope you got me something nice.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I did not get you anything nice because I'm not
good at gifts, but we consider it a gift every
single day to get to talk to all of you.
And we have had a lot of experiences already with you,
hope to have many more. I am up here, by
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(36:21):
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good to have you back stateside and we will be
continuing to break down all of the absolute latest on this.
(36:42):
But good sign today it appears that much of the
angst has been dialed down.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Time in to this and more tomorrow. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Thanks for hanging I'm gonna go drink some tea with
Honey
Hour three of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
just in case you're joining us and missed the first
part of the show. Update here Iran fired ballistic missiles
at a US base and Cutter. So far reporting is
that all the missiles that are on fired have been intercepted.
No injuries to speak of yet, and it looks like
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Iran going through the motions on some form of retaliation
after the US over the weekend had its B two bombers,
which I must say, big winner over the weekend, the
B two bomber program. Two point four billion dollars apiece
for those planes, but pretty impressive, pretty impressive what they
can do, fly.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
From dudes fly in those and I know there was
we'll have some fun maybe at the end of the
show with the boys in the planes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
That turned into a controversy for the New York Times.
You saw this.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But thirty seven hours they start off going east. They
confuse people, make them think that we're headed west and NonStop.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Fueling in the air proceeding.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They got microwaves up there, they got a little laboratory
facility and they're basicallytting this cockpit. You know, it's not
deluxe accommodations, but they they're able to fly and deliver
these strikes they take off. I think the reports from Missouri,
from the air base in Missouri so pretty amazing when
you think about what the capabilities of the United States
(01:23):
military are, and we saw them on display.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean, it was really really incredible. Thanks to them.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And again to update everybody out there, because I know
many of you may have family members serving in the
Middle East. Friends, it appears that Iran has effectively thrown
in the towel on their response. Here reports that they
fired the same number of missiles that we did, that
they were all intercepted, no casualty so far, And the
(01:51):
decision now will be back in the proverbial court of
Donald Trump. Do we say, okay, this is a you know,
we attack their nuclear weapons abilities, we wipe them largely out.
Iran has basically uttered a face saving gesture of response,
and we're now going to step back and let Israel
(02:12):
do as they see fit, like we'll see the balls
back in our court.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think it's fair to say yes.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So now we can take a moment because there's not
much in the way of updates on the Iran situation.
Now we can take a moment, I think to look
at the mayor's race in New York City, just as
we are on the eve of the primary there.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
As you know, New York is a very.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Much a Democrat enclave, something like eighty percent to eighty
percent of voters in the five boroughs though Democrat, give
or take. And so if you win the Democrat primary,
you're going to be the next mayor of New York.
I think that is clear. And they have ranked choice
(02:58):
as well, so you you're number one, and then your
number two and your three. It's a you go down
this whole rabbit hole of rank choice. Cuomo had been
the candidate that Clay has been saying is gonna win. Clay,
I don't know. I don't know if he's gonna win.
It's looking a little shaky. Here your whole comeback theory.
(03:19):
It might you know, it's looking a little.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
How bad your home city of New York City has
gotten that the best case scenario for the city at
this point. Yeh seems to be one of the worst
governors during COVID, who sent people into nursing homes to
effectively die, who got everything wrong, and had to resign
in shame because of sexual harassment, is infinitely the best
(03:45):
choice that Democrats could pick, and that they actually have
a far worse decision that may be made.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
This is like if Gavin Newsom was running for mayor
of New York and he was up against a lunatic socialist.
I guess Gavin Newsom would be a better choice too.
I mean, the Gavin Newsom in Cuomo to me are
very similar on the on the COVID record and just
both absolutely awful.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
When you see this as a born and raised New
York City resident who finally got fed up and moved
to Miami, but you have a lot of family and
friends in New York City, do you take it as
validation for the fact that leaving was the right call
or you more resigned and sad that New York City
could be in a position this bad.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Both.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I I you know, half my family still lives in
New York and in Manhattan. And you know we have
our studio in Manhattan, which you and I both make
pilgrimages too on a regular basis, not that regular New
York tax man, but you know, you know, once once
in a rare while in my case, but Clay is
(04:48):
not so much on the radarcs.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
He never lived in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But I I will say this, uh, it's okay, this
is a perfect we need to describe as Mamdani guy.
In a second, we'll give you some updates on this
guy is our friend Carol Markowitz, who's one of our
podcast hosts.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
In the Clay and Buck Network. It's this great show.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Longtime New Yorker like me, moved to Florida like me
also and right around the same time I did. And
she says, because I like to tell stories about the
old days in the early nineties, where there was just
crime everywhere, graffiti everywhere, people getting robbed, people getting mugged,
totally normal. No one even noticed people in my school.
We had to get a security guard posted outside of
(05:28):
my Catholic school on the Upper East Side, which is
among and at the time was definitely the nicest, I
would argue Upper West, Upper East parts of the city
because so many kids play. They're talking about grammar school kids.
We're getting robbed, you know, by like young gang members
were showing up and they were, you know, saying, run
your pockets and take all your stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Anyway, it was crazy. I mean, I say this stuff
out loud. No onmal believes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
You.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Look at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
You had twenty one hundred homicides in nineteen ninety nineteen
ninety one.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Twenty one hundred homicides in New York City.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Terra Mark who had said this, though it's brilliant insight.
The difference between then and now is that then, even then,
even Democrats agreed that crime was a bad thing that
you want to get rid of. Now, they may may
have taken them too long to figure out how to
do it, but they wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Now I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Now, I think that they've been convinced that the true leftist,
socialist maniac Democrats out there, like this Mamdani guy.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They think that crime is like the cry of.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
The oppressed or something, and that this is something that
society just has to accept, and that is terrifying. I mean,
here's it. Let me give you an example. Here is Mamdani.
This is back in.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
This is the guy who's now ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
In the polls to be mayor of New York. Okay,
he's ahead of Cuomo, to be clear, as of today.
This is back in twenty twenty New York State Assemblyman
Zoran Mamdani Play thirty six.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Do you think that we have to almost do without
policing in certain areas which are labeled to being high
to have alternative bodies the listen and a more compassionate,
more merciful, more social assistant and helping more than arresting
and putting in jail.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I absolutely think that what we need to do is
give support and funding two institutions that are trained to
deal with.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
These kinds of issues.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
As you said, if you're having an argument with someone
and there's a risk of it escalating, who is better
positioned to.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
De escalate it?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Someone who is well known in the community, or someone
who has been trained specifically in de escalation, or a
stranger who has a gun?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, who wants that job? Who wants to be the
dif first side? This is so, this is living in
an alternate universe. But there was talking about this violence interrupters.
They were calling this, We're gonna have somebody who will
negotiate between the gangs. No, the gangs are shooting each
other over drug territory because that's what they do. Then
if you don't have a gun, they're gonna shoot you too.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, and look this guy, I believe we have another
cut that just kind of gives you a sense of
how crazy this guy is.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
And he may be the next mayor of New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And if you're wondering, what's the timing on this, Tomorrow
is officially primary day, right. I believe New York City staff,
you guys can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Tomorrow is officially primary day. They have been doing early
voting every day up to the twenty fourth, and I
believe tomorrow is Democrat primary day. So this is the
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day when everybody's gonna go out and be making the decisions.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
This guy said that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
He wants to launch government run supermarkets in New York
City if he's elected mayor. This is how crazy this
guy is. This is Mom, Donnie. And again, the primary
is tomorrow, so this will be decided in short order.
And there's the rank choice primary voting and everything else.
So it's a messy situation. But a lot of you
(08:56):
out there listening. This is the first major election that
we will have I seen since Trump was elected about
six months ago. Here he is saying, Hey, we need
government run supermarkets, like we're in Russia back in the
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Listen, ghostree prices are out of control. The cost of
eggs and milk has skyrocketed. The dumb stores are even
using dynamic pricing, jacking up the cost over the course
of a day depending on what they can get away with.
It doesn't need to be this way. I'm Zarambani and
as mayor, I will create a network of city owned
grocery stores. It's like a public option for produce. We
will redirect city funds from corporate supermarkets to city owned
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grocery stores whose mission is lower prices, not price gouging.
These stores will operate without a profit motive or having
to pay property taxes or rent, and we'll pass on
those savings to you.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Do you know where you're really going to be able
to trust the meat quality?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know where you're really going to be able to
know that you're getting the best delivery of that produce
and you can count on it. The DMV grocery store.
That's where you really want to be. You want on
accountable government bureaucrats to be in charge of picking the
freshest fish to put out on the counter. That's gonna
work out great.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
This guy is offering people breadlines, yes, and they're voting
for it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Again.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is why I think everybody should have to go
walk through the streets of Cuba. Because you're down in
South Florida and a lot of our listeners have family
in Cuba. Go see what government runs supermarkets in Cuba
look like. See what's available on the shelves, See what's available.
See how long you have to stand in line to
(10:38):
try and buy these products. This is.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So sad that he's running.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's an Ada's running now. But it's so stupid too.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
This is like when people complain about about the gas stay.
You've pointed this out that the profit margin on gas
is tiny. The profit margin that grocery stores have to make, Yeah,
that that they make is like one or two percent.
But because they everyone has to buy groceries to live. Basically,
if you're in a neighborhood where there are people, yes
you're gonna make money. But this idea that the fat
(11:10):
cats are are somehow just extracting from everybody because they're
the price of eggs is the price of eggs because
of the demand versus the supply. The idiot socialists who
have no understanding of economics or history. Keep making these
same arguments. This guy's backed by AOC, he's backed by
Bernie Sanders. He's horrible on crime, he's horrible on the economy.
(11:34):
I mean everything that New York City needs help with.
This guy is going to be a disaster on and
I just who is. But you know what, he'll be
the first Muslim mayor of New York City. They can
talk about diversity, they can talk about inclusion, and they
can talk about caring about the poor while they Oh,
he wants to create two hundred thousand new housing units. Okay,
(11:59):
how's that gonna go. Where's that money going to come from?
And what are those housing units going to be?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Like?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
You know, you start to look at this guy.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know what, people generally don't get excited about living
in government housing projects in New York.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
You know why because.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
They're generally not very nice and they never increase in
real estate value because they're projects.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Did you see what Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida said
sharing a story about this guy's platform.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
This is going to be great for property values in
Palm Beach. That's what begins.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's totally true, it's totally true, We're just going to
keep it. You know that New York has lost what
do you remember what the figure is. I think it
was thirteen billion dollars, is what I saw. Oh the
percentage of people.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And this is so important, and I think a lot
of people still haven't recognized it. I live in Tennessee,
you live in Florida. A lot of you out there
live in Texas. When you have no state income tax,
it makes a difference if you make seventy five or
eighty or one hundred thousand dollars a year, if you
make ten million dollars a year or something like that,
like a lot of these hedge fund and private equity
(13:01):
guys do You're talking about putting an extra million dollars
in your pocket over the course of one year. And
they found out, now we can live anywhere. Why would
we give that to.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The This is also a way of saying and you
don't have to make even ten million dollars. I mean,
you look at this. You know, let's you're talking about
New York City, it's fourteen percent for a lot of people.
If you're in let's say you're making a million dollars
a year, which isn't you know, isn't as much as
it used to be. But if you make a million
dollars a year, you're saving one hundred and forty grand
under taxes. For a lot of people, that covers a
(13:33):
lot of their living expense. So the state it's like, Clay,
imagine this, well, you actually have the same thing. It's
like the state of Tennessee is saying, hey, Clay, you
don't have to pay your rent, you don't have to
pay for your food. We'll cover that for you if
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts. Welcome back in updating you on what's
going on in the Middle East. Aaran seems to have
effectively down They noticed, gave us notice in advance of
their response. No American casualties on the ground. The Saudis
(16:09):
have now condemned Iranian strikes on Qatar, as Qatar also
condemned Iranian attacks. I think it's really important here and
we'll break down this for you more now that we
can kind of start to think about what's gonna happen next.
But Buck, the Iranians are effectively isolated. The people out
(16:30):
there who said, oh look out, China's gonna come in,
Russia's gonna come in. Other Middle Eastern countries are going
to line up and they are gonna be real consequences
if Israel attacks Iran, God forbid the United States gets involved.
Seems like that hasn't happened at all. In fact, Iran
has basically rolled over and is begging for the United
(16:53):
States not to attack them anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Like I said, we'll get into this and also some
of your some of your talk and calls on the
Iran issue here in just a moment. The remaining question, though,
is I would want to know, and you know, Trump
will probably tell us because he's Trump. Well, what does
Trump want next? He says he wants there to be
a deal, right, because he's Trump, he wants a deal.
Does that deal mean that the current Iranian regime, if
(17:19):
they repent of their ways in some way post nuclear program,
would be allowed to you know, if there's a trust
but verify in place.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Move more toward normalcy or is it? You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
We need somebody else in charge here, and good luck
to you guys over in Iran. We're not doing it
for you, That's what I don't have clarity. I don't
think anyone has clarity on these yet. What comes next?
In Iran if current trends continue.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, And I think the big question is this is
an Iranian decision. Do they look around and start to
recognize again if they can get access to the internet,
if they can see how this is playing out that
after forty six years, they have an impotent leader ship
that has lied to them about their ability to bring
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All right, welcome back into clay Enbock.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
We're taking a look at the now after math of
the Iranian retaliatory missile strikes on a US base and Cutter,
and so far it was.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Pretty much a non event.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean so far as no casualties, no major destruction,
and the missiles were intercepted and the Iranians, it is
now reported coordinated like told America we're firing. So that
really is done, Clay, assuming that's all true, it is
like a stage managed response from the Mullahs, and so
(19:34):
we should continue to keep an eye on this, but
it looks pretty pretty contained for now. I want to
take some of your commentary thoughts into consideration here. The
lines are open eight hundred and two eighty two two
eight eight two we have. I thought this is funny
VIP email from Brian Liberals are against anyone having nuclear
(19:55):
power anywhere except for Iran. It is funny. Very Iranian
new clear ambitions are sacred. Anybody else nuclear power is scary, right,
but Irani and nuclear stuff is sacred according to the Libs.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I saw this and I thought this was kind of
a checkmate on the argument against nuclear strikes, strikes to
prevent nuclear weapons on our behalf by Trump. They said, oh,
now we're really in danger. There's no telling what Iran's
going to do now. And my argument was, well, if
you think that Iran is a huge threat, now, weren't
(20:34):
they a way bigger threat with nuclear weapons? In other words,
I would rather than if they're going to attack us,
have less effective weapons than more effective weapons. I thought
that was kind of they were checkmating themselves with their
own logic, and they would say, well, now they're more
likely to strike us. I actually think we have ensured
and we're now seeing this that they don't have the
(20:57):
ability to hit us with anything. Is the essence of this.
And I mentioned it earlier. If we could go back
in time and Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety four, I
saw Rama manual say this could have a do over.
He would have tried to wipe out North Korea. They said,
Jimmy Carter got over there.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Miss missile program, not the country, the missile program.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, yes, so yeah, yeah, we don't want to kill
in North Korea.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But yeah, he's like, hey, we bomb them, and we
bomb them again, and we bomb them some more.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
It's like, hey, buddy, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Of bombing UH North Korea nuclear weapons back in the nineties.
If we could have restricted their access to them, that
would have been a really good thing. And I think
the lesson that we learned from that is we cannot
allow these rogue dictator states to have access to nuclear
weapons because it's logical for them to want them, because
(21:48):
it preserves their power because once you have them. Kim
Jong Un, your point, basically has created a theocracy built
around his father and UH and they you have to
bow down and worship him.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's not a good thing that they at some point
could have a guy just decide to bomb a nuclear
weapon there. But we don't have the ability to take
him out now and to take out their nuclear weapons.
We can't allow and Ron to be the equivalent of
North Korea in the decades to come.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Let's do a talk back here from Brian in Worcester, Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
This is talkback d d.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Hi Buck Brian from Wister, mass I just wanted to
get your take on you have these leftist journals out
there this weekend saying that oh Iran, because Trump telegraphed
it so soon, Iran actually moved most of their enriched
uranium out of those sites and they still all have it.
I mean, I don't believe that, But I'm just wondering
what your analysis is on where they're getting that intel
(22:46):
quote unquote from, and what you think the truthfulness of
it is. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, I don't I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And here here's why the Israelis have this whole place
mic though, Okay, this is one thing that we know.
If they know where to put the tactical missile strike
in an apartment building so that it only kills the
nuclear scientists, you are not about to believe. I don't
think anyone should believe that they would allow the evacuation
(23:17):
of the most sensitive material from the sites that are
going to be completely saturated with intel, surveillance coverage, all
of that, right, So I do not buy. Yeah, did
they try to get some stuff out of there, I'm sure,
but I do not buy that they were able to
salvage their nuclear program with some last minute trucks. And
that the Israelis who are flying constant air strikes, let
(23:38):
that that's the key, that's the key. Just logically think
through this. If you know that's a nuclear site.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And suddenly you bring the nuclear site out of the
bunkers to put it onto trucks, and Israel has complete
air superiority. You're actually making their job easier. So the
logic of that argument doesn't stand up to your point, Buck,
because Israel would just wipe out the trucks filled with
(24:08):
the nuclear armaments, and it would be way easier to
do that than have to go into the side of
a mountain like we had to do with the bunker
busting bombs.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Also, imagine that's your job. It's like you have to
move the enriched uranium.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I had last week, Buck, I was saying, I don't
know whether Orran had pulled all their guys out, but
can you imagine going into the FOURD dow the side
of the mountain for the last few weeks, when in
any moment you know that the US could decide to
just wipe you out. That's like the worst job in
the world. And I hope for those guys credit or safety.
(24:44):
I don't want anybody to get killed who doesn't have
to get killed. I hope Iran didn't have them still
going into the mountain just waiting for the bunker busting
bomb to come in and wipe them out. I mean,
that's a kind of a that's a tough that's a
tough gig.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Some some folks on the right are gonna, i think,
have to take take a little bit of a moment
to collect themselves, maybe even take a chill pill and
and calm down about some of this stuff. I've seen
some really bad analysis of this from some and you're like, well, why,
(25:18):
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Why don't I name it?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's not about naming individuals, and people can see what
others have said, and I know I'm not I'm not
about and neither is Clay taking shots that are undermining
anybody on the on the right. Certainly in the commentary sphere. Politicians,
we have to hold du accounts. So sometimes we're gonna
get a little salty about what a Republican center is
voting for whatever. But other people that are commenting, they
have their audiences and they have what they do. And
(25:41):
but that's all the way of saying, you know, Marjorie
Taylor Green here saying that we are entering World War three,
in nuclear war, she she needs to calm down. That's
actually not that's actually not what we are doing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Play thirty seven, six months, six months.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
And see and here we are turning back on the
campaign promises and we bombed Iran on behalf of Israel. Yes,
it was on behalf of Israel. We are entering a
nuclear war, the World War three, because the entire world
is going to erupt. And you want to know, the
people that are cheering it on right now, their tune
(26:18):
is going to drastically change the minute we start seeing flag.
Drake Coffins on the Nightly News on Fox News that
brainwashes all the baby boomers, and on CNN that brainwashes
all the Democrat baby boomers. And that is exactly how
this is going.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
To go down.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That is not how this is going to go down.
I'm not saying, Look, we've left open. I said that
this thing could change overnight. There could be something that
happens and there's an issue and we have to handle it.
But what she's saying is that somehow Donald Trump would
have to be so inept, poor decision making, lacking in
strategic vision, that as commander in chief, you would allow
us to get drawn into a situation where the entire
(26:57):
world at some level, right, I mean not every country,
but where many countries are at war or of this
or that's crazy town stuff. And I can say that
very confidently, and if I end up being wrong, well,
who will care because it'll be the middle of World
War three. It's reckless to say this stuff. It's okay
to say we shouldn't strike Eram what we already have.
So that's you know, I don't begrudge anybody there. I
(27:19):
don't agree with the strike. I don't, you know, because
bad things are gonna happen. But when you're claiming that
we're in the midst now, or rather we're entering World
War three and nuclear war, you're saying crazy stuff that
is scaring people and preventing sober assessment of what's going
on and adult conversation about what should happen now. So
I very much disagree with Congresswoman Taylor Green's assessment here
(27:46):
to the point where I think she sounds like a
jackass and it's not a good thing to be doing.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I would just say, pretty straightforwardly, world War three requires
that ir On have an ally. Can you name one
country that has lined up behind Iran? This is where
I think that there has not been enough pointing this
out the middle Eastern countries want Israel to do this, right,
(28:12):
they may say again publicly, oh, Israel's like what Saudi
Arabia wants Iran to not.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Have nuclear weapons?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The UAE Qatar, all of them agree with what we
did and what.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Israel is doing.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
They're even China and Russia haven't said a word hardly.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
In definition.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
This is also like, think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You think the Chinese give a crap about what happens
to Iran, they do not. Okay, the Chinese, the Chinese
Communist Party doesn't care about what's happening to Chinese people
for the most part. Okay, they definitely don't care about
a few nuclear sites getting hit in Iran. Whatever their
diplomats say. No one's even gonna remember tomorrow, and their
(28:54):
diplomats are just hoping they don't get thrown into some
dark celling portrait to death by Shijin Ping.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
So yeah, it's not This is not some there's no way.
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If anything, China is looking at this and saying, oh,
maybe we need to reconsider invading Taiwan.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I know he's going to go Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I'm just saying, I don't know what would happen. Because
we have the strategic ambiguity perspective as it pertains to
what we would do if China tried to take Taiwan.
But I definitely think that the Chinese noticed, holy crap,
the US flew all around the world, wrecked the nuclear
capabilities of Iran, and the Iranians didn't even know we
(29:40):
were in their airspace. Maybe the US has got military
capabilities that would be a threat, and maybe they would
stand up for Tawan.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Maybe also just bringing back to Trump and the World
War three and all these conversations that are going on
right now, by the way, I think very few people
are actually making the case.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
There's some big voices that are saying.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But we're not we're not in the World War three
or you know, a long way from from anything that
would require or that should involve that level of it's hysterio. Okay,
that's hysteria. That's not that's not what's going on here.
Maybe Trump has learned the lesson though, you know, it's
amazing to me some of the people that have turned
And again MTG is a member of Congress, so i
(30:20):
I've a little more.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
But some of the people on the.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right that I'm seeing and including some that honestly look
I like and think are really good on a lot
of stuff. They're not good on this, and I think in.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Part it's you know, they.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
They've gone too far in the direction of you know,
everything everything now is the Iraq War and WMD lies,
everything is is a twenty year war in Afghanistan that
ends up with the Taliman coming back into power.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's like, well, you know, we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
There are plenty of things that happen that don't result
in this. And just because whether it's you know, airstrikes
in Syria, which by the way, Trump did in the
first Trump administration, nobody even remembers them.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
That's all you know about how much mission creep there was.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
There No one even remembers these missile strikes that we
did remember this, and there was talking about chemical weapons usage,
which now there's a lot of debate over whether that
even happened. Put that aside, I think Trump maybe did
learn the lesson though Clay, and the lesson is you
could hit people and then use hitting them as part
of the framework of understanding of you want to get
hit again or not behave you don't actually have to
(31:24):
remember the Colin Powell thing of you know, if you
break it, you buy it or whatever. I mean, that
was his that was his witticism that caught on with
so many people. No, actually, just because you bomb nuclear
reactors doesn't mean you have to have eighty second airborne
landing on the outskirts of Tehran season the airfields and
being in charge of like Iranian's plumbing for the next
(31:44):
ten years. Like, we don't actually have to do that.
Trump's not going to do that. I mean, that's what
I see from all this. I think the lesson has
been learned.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The other thing I would say here, some of you
were saying, Okay, how does this impact my pocket book?
Price of oil down seven and a half percent as
I am talking to you, down five dollars and fifty cents.
I was talking about this with buck Off Air. If
the big concern had been oh, the straight of hor moves,
how is this going to impact the overall price of oil?
(32:17):
You know where most of Iran's oil goes, China. So
the last thing that China wants is Iranian oil fields
getting attacked because it increases the cost of their oil
and gas, which is about two percent of the overall population.
Overall supply, but overwhelmingly China benefits from discounted Iranian oil
(32:39):
and gas because of the sanctions that are in place.
So again, a lot of the analysis here has not
been sophisticated, and I think it builds on this buck
it's just an overall expectation of catastrophe everywhere. Sometimes catastrophe happens,
but if you expect all the time for everything to
(33:01):
end in catastrophe, most of the time you are going
to be wrong. And again, I think what we are
seeing in the reaction from Iran is it's very muted.
It's nowhere near World War three. And I would just say,
if you expect World War three to happen, you have
to name at least one significant country that is willing
to go to war to protect Iran.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I don't think there's even one of them. Just FYI, yeah,
I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Think the Russians have a lot of extra manpower to
throw into situations. The Russians have had to bring North
Koreans to come help them out, and that's for a
fight that is very central to the Putin Russian Kremlin ethos.
So people, look, you don't need to know something about
something to have a lot of ideas about that thing.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And there are a lot of people out there right now.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Who don't know nothing about nothing, all right, and they're
really really flapping their gums on this stuff in ways
that I think are unhelpful.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Again, they're entied to America title do.
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I just think they don't know what they're talking about,
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Speaker 2 (35:21):
Welcome back in Closing Up Shop Monday edition of the program,
just to reinforce if you happen to just be getting
in your car. Iran has responded, no casualties, no bombs reached,
the ground shot down, and they appear to be saying
basically we're done, so World War three does not appear
(35:42):
likely to have happened. We will continue to update you
on this. I'm sure there's going to be more drama
in the Middle East. Want to say this, thank you,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
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And we have had a lot of experiences already with you,
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good to have you back stateside and we will be
continuing to break down all of the absolute latest on this.
(36:42):
But good sign today it appears that much of the
angst has been dialed down.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Time in to this and more tomorrow. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
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