May 6, 2025 • 35 mins
In hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, the hosts cover a range of critical topics, starting with a discussion on tariffs for movies. They explore the idea proposed by President Trump to impose tariffs on films made outside the U.S. to encourage domestic production. This segment highlights the economic impact on the movie industry, particularly in Los Angeles, and the potential benefits of onshoring film production to create more American jobs.
The conversation then shifts to Whoopi Goldberg's criticism of Trump's tariff proposal on "The View." The hosts clarify that Trump's plan aims to keep American films produced in the U.S., not restrict creative content set in foreign locations. They emphasize the importance of supporting American workers in the film industry, many of whom are blue-collar and supportive of Trump's policies.
Next, Clay and Buck discuss the broader implications of tariffs and trade policies, including reports that India might agree to zero tariffs on American goods. They analyze the dual arguments within the Trump administration regarding protectionist trade policies versus free trade, and the potential impact on the "big beautiful bill" that includes tax cuts and border security measures.
The hosts also delve into the latest developments regarding Dr. Anthony Fauci and gain-of-function research. Senator Rand Paul joins the show to provide updates on the investigation into Fauci's role in funding dangerous research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Paul discusses the importance of holding Fauci accountable and preventing future pandemics by scrutinizing gain-of-function research.
Additionally, the show covers President Trump's announcement about the Houthis in Yemen, who have reportedly agreed to cease hostilities. This development is seen as a positive step towards stabilizing shipping lanes and reducing conflict in the region. The hosts also touch on the broader geopolitical implications of Trump's approach to Iran and the potential for diplomatic negotiations to prevent nuclear proliferation.
The hour concludes with a discussion on government spending and the need for significant cuts to address the national debt. Senator Paul emphasizes the importance of fiscal responsibility and the challenges of achieving meaningful reductions in government spending. He also explains why he disagrees with President Trump on tariffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the third hour of the program, Tuesday edition. Sator Ran
Paul just had to reach out. He has had a
last minute issue come up on Capitol Hill. He's going
to try to join us at the bottom of this hour.
Just FYI will take some of your calls and continue
(00:23):
to break down everything that is moving rapidly in the
world as we are rolling today. I did want to
mention I know we talked a little bit about this
buck yesterday, Trump announced a idea for tariffs for movies
and it has provoked a ton of response. And I
(00:45):
think this is very interesting, the idea, and I actually
don't dislike it, and let me explain why in a
little bit more detail. Interestingly, there was an article that
came out I think it was in the New York
Time and I'm betting Trump read it, and it was
an article or his staff read it. It was an
(01:06):
article that dealt with the collapse of jobs in the
movie industry in the Los Angeles area in particular, and
there were several people who had worked on film and
television for years and years that basically said, hey, there's
no jobs here anymore. And you mentioned Buck that you
(01:27):
can now go to Europe and make movies cheaper all
over Europe, which certainly has crazy tax rates than you
can in the United States. Was it Hungary in particular
that you were citing Budapest where you could go well.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
As Actually I think Rob Lowe in a podcast talking
about this, a guy who's been in the business for
like fifty years, and he said, it's cheaper to do
a show or a movie in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Think about that, though, it's not that you're using Eastern
European cruise.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Maybe someone to fly all of the cast and the
director and this and that and everything over there, put
them up in hotels, do all of that. Then to
use empty studio lots in Los Angeles right now, think
about that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I think this is actually a good explanation of
how offshoring has worked, even for high end industry. And
I want you to think about this for a minute.
They're doing, oftentimes this movie making and this television making
in countries with much higher.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Tax rates than the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So initially it was a lot of people started to
move to Vancouver Canada was giving huge advantages for making
film and movies, television and movies in Canada, even though Canada,
as you heard Trump talking about earlier, as a country,
has much higher rates on average of taxes than people
do in the United States. And then European countries. England
(03:02):
has for instance, built up I think they did all
the Star Wars movies, and I think all the Harry
Potter movies on huge studios that they have built outside
of London. Well, we all know English taxes are much
higher than they are in the United States. And so
Trump looked at this and he is saying, well, this
is not ideal. We need to be producing American movies
(03:25):
in the United States. And I don't think he's wrong
on that. And there has been some pushback because I
think even people in Hollywood are kind of a little
bit skeptical over this. But it is the same thing
that has happened in Midwest with factory jobs. As I
told you yesterday, a lot of these people that are
working on movies, they're blue collar workers. They I know,
(03:47):
people think, oh it's Hollywood, Oh it's movies. That's a
lot of you know, super rich limousine people. And yeah,
if you're a movie star, you make a lot of money.
But the monies that are spent on films trickle down
in a huge way to the guy that's making a
set and sitting there with a saw, to the person
who's got to be pretty physically strong that's running around
(04:08):
with a mobile camera. And I've talked about as a
guy who did television in LA for years, I have
met a lot of the cast and crew that are
involved in producing television. I'm telling y'all a lot of
them are big Trump supporters. So this has I think
a really interesting conversation aspect to it Trump because it
(04:29):
creates unnatural or unexpected political alliances.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, if you think about somebody like the key grip right,
who is involved with rigging for camera movements and the
physical mechanical components of the camera guys, the lighting guys
and gals, but a lot of them are going to
be more sympathetic to let's say the Trump and capitalist
(04:56):
point of view. It's really the producers, the actor in
the writer's room where you tend to have much of
the communist stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So, not surprisingly many people have missed this aspect, which
is just hey, we should be on shoring. That is,
making even more movies in America that are designed for
Americans instead of shipping them overseas. Let's figure out how
to do that in the most of the most capitalistic
way imaginable. Right whoopee. Goldberg is mad at Trump over
(05:28):
trying to come up with a solution here on the view.
She decided to instead say, Hey, this is what's going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay, Look, you can't do that, because what that equates
to is you going to tell me how to write
the story I want to write if.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It happens in Europe.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You're telling me that if my book comes out and
I want to write it, you tell me how to
write it. You're telling me you're going to charge me
for that.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Well, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I Look, could you please lower the price of eggs
before you start this set?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The price of eggs is their talking point. It's actually
going to be near historical low. They're at wholesale prices now.
The prices that you pay in grocery stores are coming down.
But she just doesn't under I mean, this is embarrassing,
I think for someone who should be an entertainment and
making movies. Trump is not saying you can't set a
book in Europe, you moron. He's saying, hey, American movies
(06:32):
that are set in America shouldn't be filmed on European
sound stages, paying Europeans to make American films. The reason
Los Angeles exists as a movie capital is historically because
it rains so irregularly and the weather is so good,
by and large, you could film on more days than
(06:54):
almost anywhere else in the United States, and therefore Tinseltown developed.
I think continuing to produce American movies in America is
actually a really good goal because it gives Americans jobs
to entertain Americans by producing these films.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Also, I would just point out clearly a lot of
states are already hip to this.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If you will, they get their.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Competecause there's yeah, yeah, because they compete with each other
for this business, right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I mean, I think I have.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It hasn't been something I've looked at it a while,
but states like Georgia, I think South Carolina, there are
states that gave some pretty hefty tax breaks to movie
productions because they realize it brings a lot of good
stuff into the state, a lot of dollars a lot
of attention, you know, maybe too much attention. I feel
like some of you who live in Montana after the
Yellowstone series are like buying up outside of Bozeman, but
(07:48):
that obviously affects the real estate markets. I mean, there's
a lot to be said for bringing these productions into
these places. And I think about something like New York City.
So many great iconic movies and and TV shows were
filmed in New York when I was growing up in
New York, and a lot of people felt like they
knew New York City from watching those even if they
(08:08):
grew up in Oklahoma. Well, that's not happening the same
way anymore, and it's nonsense. And the fact that it's
not even happening in California, the home of the movie industry,
or really kind of the original birthplace of the movie industry,
is something that is clearly indicative of how bad policy is.
This is not a free market thing. This is a
(08:29):
bad policy thing, and it's because California's wage and just
job regulations and taxation are completely.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Out of control. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Look, I think that's totally true, and California has got
its own issues. I don't have a problem with Georgia deciding, hey,
we're going to produce our own studio system. I think
a lot of that actually emanated, if I'm not mistaken,
from Tyler Perry, who had tremendous success making movies and
television shows, and he said, Hey, I'm from Atlanta. I
(09:02):
want to build my own studio here. And I think
there are going to be a lot of challenges. I
saw quotes from Tyler Perry talking about, Hey, man, I
don't know exactly what needs to be built going forward,
because I'm sure you've seen some of this buck and
certainly you guys have had fun with doing AI versions
of us. But the ability of special effects with AI,
(09:23):
it's going to make the making of films in particular
special effects far more affordable. And that's different in terms
of how the jobs are going to be associated there
with a lot of the challenges that I think exists now,
which is we shouldn't be competing with London for whether
(09:43):
it's more affordable to make an American movie here or
in London or in any other European country.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You want to talk about in a sense the incentives
countries like Portugal and Hungary, and some of these are
not Portugal is not a rich country. A lot of
Americans are moving there because it's actually such a good
Your dollar goes so far. It's become a popular producer.
Alli just went there. She said it was amazing. I
actually really want to go side note. But these countries
(10:10):
play when they're giving incentives, it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
A reverse tariff. Right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
When we start to think about it that way, you
see that this is a game that people are.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Playing in a whole range of ways. If if you
bring a.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Movie to let's say you're gonna film a movie in Portugal,
and they're gonna say, hey, we're gonna give you the
following financial incentives for you to make your movie here, well,
it's very similar to the mindset of we're gonna have
a tariff on external movies so that you'll make them
here in America. Right, They're just this is just cash
(10:45):
exchanging hands one way or another to create an incentive structure.
And I think that with the with the movie industry
of the TV industry, this is the one thing I
might add that just traditional America needs to make. This
is where we really need to push now, because the
time has never been more ripe, more clear, and more obvious.
(11:06):
I think for a film studio slash, you know, TV,
some kind of a production house that's not going to
make stuff that is necessarily like right wing or conservative,
but that will appeal to the broadest possible audience, which
will inherently seem conservative compared to some of the slop
(11:26):
they've been putting out on Netflix and Hulu in recent years.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And let me just say again to what Pi Goldberg
you more on, no one is saying if a movie
set in Paris, that the movie shouldn't be shot in Paris. Right,
she doesn't even read the news story she talks about
on the show anymore. I mean she really she's mailing
it in, you know. I've just I've heard things from
people in and who are around that world on the
(11:54):
view that she.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Doesn't really want to be there anymore. No, I'm being serious.
She doesn't want to be there anymore, doesn't want to
do the homework she ever did. And it just comes
across now because what she's saying is so dumb that
it's not even wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well you would, yeah, no, that's you would think. Of
all of the subjects out there, Hollywood, movies, given that
she has been in Hollywood movies historically, would be.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Something that she I know it's been forty it's been
forty years, but she was in some good ones.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You would think that she would be able to intelligently
talk about that. But instead, she's so reflexively anti Trump
that even something that could make sense to help have
more homegrown American jobs in the creative space, which I
think is a good thing, she would be opposed to.
It's just moronic. If anything. You can argue, and some
of you may be of this disposition, I don't want
(12:42):
to do anything for anybody that works in the movies
because they're so left wing and everything else.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I understand that argument. I'm just telling you that, having been.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Out in La a lot, and having worked a lot
in television and movies, I think you would be surprised
the actors and actresses get all the attention.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They're going to be fine, they're super rich.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But I think you'd be surprised by the regular guys
and gals out there working on movies who love Donald
Trump and just want to have a good job so
they can take care of their families.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
We should have more of those in America.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And this is also a time when if you had
the right group of conservative and again I just traditional,
I would say traditional entertainment, not not even it's not
about the politics. It's just about stories that are meant
to inspire and appeal to people in the broadest possible way.
The only stuff that even comes close to that has
been like superhero movies for the past decade. Please don't
(13:33):
send me. I love Kevin Sorbo and some of these
people that have worked on more you know, independent projects
and stuff, and they're doing the best that they can.
I'm saying the big studios. I'm talking about what's getting
made by Amazon and Netflix, and these are the places
that are right Apple, TV, Clay. The time has never
been better to get your you know, undaunted Lewis and
(13:54):
Clark as a series in because I think someone like
a Jeff Bezos could tell the head of content at Amazon, hey,
how about we make a kick ass series that isn't
about how you have to trans your twelve year old
How about that?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Let me give credit here. These guys live in my neighborhood.
Andrew and John Irwin, Andy and John Irwin. They've been
doing tremendous jobs making movies in a lot of the
arena that you're talking about, Buck And what they've seen
is the math on these has really kind of taken off.
They did the best Christmas Badge and ever, they did,
(14:31):
American Underdog they did. They've done a lot of different movies.
I think we had them on I can only imagine
the Jesus Music, the Jesus Revolution, and they're involved in
a lot of a lot of these different The new
David documentary that I think is just I'm not a documentary,
but I mean it's based on a true life history
(14:51):
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Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's killing it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love that Trump has gone after the stranglehold on
elite academia with Harvard, etc. That's critical and it's part
of the long term play of putting this country, you know,
back in a sane place. M clay entertainment industry, yep it.
You know, this is another place where we need to
really make gains.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
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(17:42):
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Speaker 3 (17:44):
But it's not final.
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They have not stopped.
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(18:59):
hanging out with us. We're joined now by Senator Rand Paul,
a Great State of Kentucky and Senat Paul. I know
there's a ton of things we're going to get into
with you, but I want to start with this Anthony Fauci.
The evidence continues to mount that he lied about gain
a function research. You, uniquely, I think in the entire
political class, have continued to hold his feet to the fire.
(19:22):
What is the latest about that that you can tell us.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
We've been trying to get records on the deliberation of
who made the call to send the money to Wuhan,
the research, the lab, the league, who funded it. We
know the nih did it, but we're going to know
who met about it, who discussed it, and who made
the final approval. We think that's Anthony Fauci, and we're
getting closer to that. The Biden administration refused to give
us any documents. They basically refuse for years to give
(19:49):
any Robert Kennedy has opened up the books to us.
Jay Battachari and NIH is also helping us, and we're
sorting through it. We're going to begin interviewing everybody who's
part of the process. So there's a committee over there
that discussed it when Fauci said everybody told him that
it wasn't gain a function. It's interesting though, that the
committee has documents, and in the documents they have EcoHealth Alliance.
(20:13):
This is a group that got the money that took
it to Wuhan. They have EcoHealth Alliance sending notes back
in the NIA saying thank you for lifting our gain
of function pause. So they were paused the government quits
funding gain of function between fourteen and twenty sixteen. They
thanked them for lifting their pause on the same research
that Fauci said was never gained function. So how do
(20:36):
you lift a pause in funding for a project that
was never gain a function if it was never a
gain a function. So we've got evidence like that. But ultimately,
once we've interviewed everybody, we will get to Anthony Fauci.
That will be within a month or two and we'll
be having him come in and testify.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
In terms of that testimony, what are you hoping to
be able to get final answers from fauci on and
given the Senator Paul given the preemptive pardon that he
was given, which is still pretty remarkable when I say
that out loud, that that even happened. What are you
hoping the final disposition of this whole situation will be?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You know, you realize that's a preemptive pardon where they
don't even list your crime. That he's pardoned for anything,
stealing in a larceny, grand larceny, assault, you name it.
He's pardoned for anything he could have done over a
ten year period. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I've never ever heard of a pardon. It's preemptive and
also includes any possible crime he committed over a ten
(21:35):
year period. I don't have high hopes that he's going
to be ultimately held criminally responsible, but I think it's
important that history judges him accurately and harshly. He made
a decision that led to the million, millions of people dying,
basically a decision to fund a lab that was not
up to safety standards and fund research that was incredibly dangerous.
(22:00):
We also were concerned that this kind of research still
goes on. So the President came out in the last
day or so, with a pause once again on gain
to function research, importantly, not just in our country, but
a pause on all funding we do around the world,
because of course, you know, Uncle Sam funds everybody's research
lab everywhere in the world. And some of this, some
(22:20):
people conjecture Anthony Fauci farmed out because he wanted less scrutiny.
So if he wanted, you know, for example, some of
the most gruesome stuff that was done on beagles was
done in Tunisia. They did in Tunisia hoping that their
sensibility is about sewing their eyelids open and infecting them
with sand fleas and then cutting their larynx out so
you couldn't hear the dogs cry. That there'd be less
(22:43):
sensibility for that somewhere else other than the United States.
But same way with the gain of function, we think
some of it was farmed out. We need to know
the degree of this, and we need to get to
the bottom of it. We're also very concerned with a
couple of labs near Fort Tetrick Kennedy closed one down
and the media reporting he was anti science. I heard
there of the accurate story from Jay Battachari. The accurate
(23:05):
story is someone's asthmat suit was purposely cut in one
of the areas dealing with ebola in different very dangerous viruses.
So getting that kind of disease out of a lab,
if he were to have gotten infected, is incredibly dangerous.
And so next to that lab is an NIHT a
DHS lab Department of Homeland Security that we now have
(23:28):
reports are doing experiments aerosolizing ebola. We think that somebody,
you know, somebody representing the taxpayer and the citizens of
the country ought to be able to take a look
at these labs and find out what experiments are doing
and really should we be doing some of this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think both all of this you just said is
really important because I think it answers two questions. One,
it is backward looking in the context of Fauci should
be seen as a villain of history and his full
trajectory of stories and lies should be analyzed for years
to come. That's backwards looking prospectively, as you just laid out.
The reason why this matters is if China created COVID,
(24:08):
which I think it's quite clear that they did, partly
based on having gain a function access to American taxpayer dollars.
We should be massively concerned about. As you just laid out,
whatever the next iteration of the virus that could be
created is because it could end up far more deadly
than anything that we dealt with with COVID. I think
(24:29):
that's kind of a synthesis of all of this for
people out there who would say, Okay, why are we
still talking about COVID.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, you know, the next virus could be avian flu.
Avian flu has a fifty percent death rate. Coronavirus or
COVID was less than one percent. So avian flu currently
can a human can get it from chickens or from birds,
but doesn't go human to human. But there are experiments
trying to get it to go human to human, mammal
to mammal through the air. These have been funded by NIH.
(24:58):
This is the kind of stuff that has to be discussed.
Is it a death wish for humanity for someone to
try to get av and fluid make it more transmissible
among humans? I think is we should be shouting this
from the rooftop. This kind of research should not occur,
and the tax player shouldn't pay for it. But I
don't know that we've actually gotten to that point yet
the Trump administration's ban or at least temporary or maybe
(25:22):
longer on this as a good step. I have legislation
that would do this, and we actually have gotten bipartisan support.
I've passed it out unanimously out of committee last Congress.
Do it again in the next month or so, and
then we're hoping it can be included in some kind
of legislation that's going to pass soon. But this would
actually let President Trump appoint a panel of scientists. And importantly,
(25:45):
these scientists would not be ones who get NIH grants,
so they can't be bribed to have an opinion. They
will be independent voices, but experts in their field, and
they will examine all government research, all classified and unclassified documents,
and they will give their opinion on whether it should
be funded, and they will have the ability to stop funding.
And it will be a powerful committee. But it won't
(26:06):
be a total ban. It would be we're going to
look at case by case. The reason you need that
is if you just ban it and then the next
people come in and say, well, that's not gain to function.
That's what Anthony Vauci did is oh yeah, we were
had special safety for gaining to function, but this wasn't
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that the research and WU on that led to the
death of six to ten million people. He said that
(26:29):
wasn't gain of function, which nobody else he's other than
Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Speaking the Senator Raan Paul Kentucky Senator on President Trump today,
he spoke about the Houthis. I think he said there's
a deal that they have now. Essentially it's please stop
bombing us and we'll stop blowing up ships. But the
Houthis are an extension and allied with Iran. There's a
lot of talk right now about one kind of I
think you could say a rare disconnect or disagreement at
(26:57):
the senior levels of some of the Trump personnel, and
it has to do with Iran and what we should
do about Iran and its nuclear ambitions going forward. How
do you see that? Where do you think Trump is
on this and where would you like to see this go?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
You know, I'm encouraged by the announcement today and Trump
shows great strength and they back down, and so I
think that is a good thing. And my hope is
that we can get to a point where international shipping
is safe to go around the bend there and up
to the sus With regard to Iran, my hope is
that we can move forward. And this is where Trump
is different than some of the neo conservatives. The new
(27:37):
Conservatives never want to get to the next step of negotiation.
So Trump goes in with a firm hand. But he
does get to the next step of negotiation. He did
it with North Korea. Didn't necessarily work out, But most
of the neocons, from Hillary Clinton to Bill Crystal, would
have never talked to North Korea. They would never talk
to an Iran. Ultimately, getting to the point where we
(27:58):
talk to them is good because really, the only realistic
way of stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon isn't
all Likelihoore likelihood, through diplomacy. I don't think you can
bomb away their nuclear knowledge. I don't think once they
haven't rich unuranium. You know, a cupful of uranium enriched
to ninety five or ninety eight percent is probably enough
for a bomb. You know, you once you get six
(28:19):
or eight or ten cupfuls of the uranium, you're mitched
to that point. You have the rest of the technical
knowledge to do it. You know, you can hide that
thousands of feet below the ground where no bomb can
get to. So you know, I don't want that to happen,
and we want to stop it. But ultimately it has
to be both stick and carrot, and so ultimately you
have to talk to people and you have to This
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is the same thing we should be doing with Russia.
You know, they're wanting to put more more sanctions on Russia.
The Lindsey Grahamville wants to put a five hundred percent
tariff on everybody who buys oil from Russia. You know
what that is. That's about forty or fifty countries by
oil and gas and from from Russia. Present tariff would
(29:01):
be a shutdown of basically all commerce in the world.
I mean, it's a terrible idea. What we should be
doing instead is going to rush and say you want
to get back in the banking system, you want to
get rid of some sanctions of Venezuela, and let's have
a ceasefire and peace dogs. I think we have the
ability to offer stuff, but I think we have so
many sanctions already on these countries that really to get
(29:24):
to diplomacy and get to peace. The piece should be
offering to remove sanctions and allow Russia back into the
banking world. But they have to do something real. It
has to be real ceasefire and has to really ultimately
be a peace plan.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
All right, I know it's a complicated topic, but I
want to give you an opportunity to weigh in on
tariffs and analyze this. Reports today that India might be
willing to go to zero tariffs for American goods. It
seems to me that there is dual arguments here. One
is you hear it from a lot of Trump people, Hey,
we want to actually eliminate many of the tariffs and
(29:59):
have more free trade. The other argument is we need
to have more protectionist trade potentially with China other countries.
How do you analyze this, what should we do? And
bigger picture, how does it impact the big beautiful bill.
I know that's a big question, but the tax cut
bill that's currently making its way along with border security
(30:20):
through Congress right now.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
There's two camps on tariffs. They're all pro tariff in
the Trump administration, but two camps. One of the Neanderthal camp.
The Neanderthal camp says that we keep tariffs on until
there's no more trade deficits. Well, you think we're ever
going to get to the point where Bangladesh buys as
much from US as we five from them, Same with Vietnam.
We're a very, very rich country, and part of a
(30:44):
trade deficit is when you're richer, you buy more stuff
from other people than they buy from you. So it's
just that's a ridiculous Neanderthal sort of argument. The other
camp says, well, we want reciprocal agreements, we want fairness,
but we'll you know, we'd like to see lower tariffs.
That's a more reasonable camp actually said, well, I'm not
for the tariffs, and I think tariff's from this guided.
If Trump is able to use as a negotiating technique
(31:06):
the ability of lower terraffs with India and they get
to a much lower level than when we started, I'll
be the first to compliment him on that. But realize
that the tariff bill or the sanctioned bill that Lindsay
is proposing on Russia actually would tearif because India is
an India and China the two biggest purchasers of oil
and gas from from Russia, and if you put a
(31:27):
five hundred percent tariff. That's going the opposite way. So
I don't think we're going to zero. If we passed
this new Russia sanction bill that puts a five hundred
five hundred percent tariff is an embargo. It's it's almost
like a declaration of war basically, So it's a it's
a really really really foolish notion. But uh, if you know,
they come up with a deal with India, I will
(31:49):
be the first to compliment the President and say, gay job.
You know, if he gets if he gets lower tariffs,
we'll see what happens. But I think that should be
the goal really with every country, and I would say
even including China, because I think the moment that we
have no trade with China is the moment that they
become less predictable and potentially more militaristic.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Senator, one more for you. Only got about a minute,
but I just wanted to hear you weigh in on
this because I know government spending and our unsustainable data
is something been for a long time. The dog cuts,
I'm hearing there's been some cuts actually made a lot
of cuts.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Advise, what do you think where are we on that?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
None of them actually count until they come back to Congress.
So if you say you've cut spending unless it's actually
booked by Congress and Congress boats on it, it doesn't really.
It hasn't been transmitted or accounted for. There's supposedly a
recision package. It can be voted on by a simple majority.
That's coming back to us of only nine billion. That's
a pittance. That's a rounding era. I'm for it, but
(32:49):
I'll say send us more please. We'll see. But right
now we have We've been hearing about that for two
weeks and haven't seen that. And if that gets over
here and the weak need Republicans won't go over that,
then I say, Katie bar the door, you might as
well plan on a full scale bankruptcy in the country.
It's the converscating cut nine billion.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
On that note, Senator and Paul, thank you for being
with us as always, Sro.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, Hopefully hopefully it doesn't come to that. He's right
by the way on the numbers and he knows it
and always such a good conversation with the senator from Kentucky.
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(00:23):
to break down everything that is moving rapidly in the
world as we are rolling today. I did want to
mention I know we talked a little bit about this
buck yesterday, Trump announced a idea for tariffs for movies
and it has provoked a ton of response. And I
(00:45):
think this is very interesting, the idea, and I actually
don't dislike it, and let me explain why in a
little bit more detail. Interestingly, there was an article that
came out I think it was in the New York
Time and I'm betting Trump read it, and it was
an article or his staff read it. It was an
(01:06):
article that dealt with the collapse of jobs in the
movie industry in the Los Angeles area in particular, and
there were several people who had worked on film and
television for years and years that basically said, hey, there's
no jobs here anymore. And you mentioned Buck that you
(01:27):
can now go to Europe and make movies cheaper all
over Europe, which certainly has crazy tax rates than you
can in the United States. Was it Hungary in particular
that you were citing Budapest where you could go well.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
As Actually I think Rob Lowe in a podcast talking
about this, a guy who's been in the business for
like fifty years, and he said, it's cheaper to do
a show or a movie in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Think about that, though, it's not that you're using Eastern
European cruise.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Maybe someone to fly all of the cast and the
director and this and that and everything over there, put
them up in hotels, do all of that. Then to
use empty studio lots in Los Angeles right now, think
about that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I think this is actually a good explanation of
how offshoring has worked, even for high end industry. And
I want you to think about this for a minute.
They're doing, oftentimes this movie making and this television making
in countries with much higher.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Tax rates than the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So initially it was a lot of people started to
move to Vancouver Canada was giving huge advantages for making
film and movies, television and movies in Canada, even though Canada,
as you heard Trump talking about earlier, as a country,
has much higher rates on average of taxes than people
do in the United States. And then European countries. England
(03:02):
has for instance, built up I think they did all
the Star Wars movies, and I think all the Harry
Potter movies on huge studios that they have built outside
of London. Well, we all know English taxes are much
higher than they are in the United States. And so
Trump looked at this and he is saying, well, this
is not ideal. We need to be producing American movies
(03:25):
in the United States. And I don't think he's wrong
on that. And there has been some pushback because I
think even people in Hollywood are kind of a little
bit skeptical over this. But it is the same thing
that has happened in Midwest with factory jobs. As I
told you yesterday, a lot of these people that are
working on movies, they're blue collar workers. They I know,
(03:47):
people think, oh it's Hollywood, Oh it's movies. That's a
lot of you know, super rich limousine people. And yeah,
if you're a movie star, you make a lot of money.
But the monies that are spent on films trickle down
in a huge way to the guy that's making a
set and sitting there with a saw, to the person
who's got to be pretty physically strong that's running around
(04:08):
with a mobile camera. And I've talked about as a
guy who did television in LA for years, I have
met a lot of the cast and crew that are
involved in producing television. I'm telling y'all a lot of
them are big Trump supporters. So this has I think
a really interesting conversation aspect to it Trump because it
(04:29):
creates unnatural or unexpected political alliances.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, if you think about somebody like the key grip right,
who is involved with rigging for camera movements and the
physical mechanical components of the camera guys, the lighting guys
and gals, but a lot of them are going to
be more sympathetic to let's say the Trump and capitalist
(04:56):
point of view. It's really the producers, the actor in
the writer's room where you tend to have much of
the communist stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So, not surprisingly many people have missed this aspect, which
is just hey, we should be on shoring. That is,
making even more movies in America that are designed for
Americans instead of shipping them overseas. Let's figure out how
to do that in the most of the most capitalistic
way imaginable. Right whoopee. Goldberg is mad at Trump over
(05:28):
trying to come up with a solution here on the view.
She decided to instead say, Hey, this is what's going
to happen.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay, Look, you can't do that, because what that equates
to is you going to tell me how to write
the story I want to write if.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It happens in Europe.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
You're telling me that if my book comes out and
I want to write it, you tell me how to
write it. You're telling me you're going to charge me
for that.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Well, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I Look, could you please lower the price of eggs
before you start this set?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The price of eggs is their talking point. It's actually
going to be near historical low. They're at wholesale prices now.
The prices that you pay in grocery stores are coming down.
But she just doesn't under I mean, this is embarrassing,
I think for someone who should be an entertainment and
making movies. Trump is not saying you can't set a
book in Europe, you moron. He's saying, hey, American movies
(06:32):
that are set in America shouldn't be filmed on European
sound stages, paying Europeans to make American films. The reason
Los Angeles exists as a movie capital is historically because
it rains so irregularly and the weather is so good,
by and large, you could film on more days than
(06:54):
almost anywhere else in the United States, and therefore Tinseltown developed.
I think continuing to produce American movies in America is
actually a really good goal because it gives Americans jobs
to entertain Americans by producing these films.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Also, I would just point out clearly a lot of
states are already hip to this.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If you will, they get their.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Competecause there's yeah, yeah, because they compete with each other
for this business, right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I mean, I think I have.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It hasn't been something I've looked at it a while,
but states like Georgia, I think South Carolina, there are
states that gave some pretty hefty tax breaks to movie
productions because they realize it brings a lot of good
stuff into the state, a lot of dollars a lot
of attention, you know, maybe too much attention. I feel
like some of you who live in Montana after the
Yellowstone series are like buying up outside of Bozeman, but
(07:48):
that obviously affects the real estate markets. I mean, there's
a lot to be said for bringing these productions into
these places. And I think about something like New York City.
So many great iconic movies and and TV shows were
filmed in New York when I was growing up in
New York, and a lot of people felt like they
knew New York City from watching those even if they
(08:08):
grew up in Oklahoma. Well, that's not happening the same
way anymore, and it's nonsense. And the fact that it's
not even happening in California, the home of the movie industry,
or really kind of the original birthplace of the movie industry,
is something that is clearly indicative of how bad policy is.
This is not a free market thing. This is a
(08:29):
bad policy thing, and it's because California's wage and just
job regulations and taxation are completely.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Out of control. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Look, I think that's totally true, and California has got
its own issues. I don't have a problem with Georgia deciding, hey,
we're going to produce our own studio system. I think
a lot of that actually emanated, if I'm not mistaken,
from Tyler Perry, who had tremendous success making movies and
television shows, and he said, Hey, I'm from Atlanta. I
(09:02):
want to build my own studio here. And I think
there are going to be a lot of challenges. I
saw quotes from Tyler Perry talking about, Hey, man, I
don't know exactly what needs to be built going forward,
because I'm sure you've seen some of this buck and
certainly you guys have had fun with doing AI versions
of us. But the ability of special effects with AI,
(09:23):
it's going to make the making of films in particular
special effects far more affordable. And that's different in terms
of how the jobs are going to be associated there
with a lot of the challenges that I think exists now,
which is we shouldn't be competing with London for whether
(09:43):
it's more affordable to make an American movie here or
in London or in any other European country.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You want to talk about in a sense the incentives
countries like Portugal and Hungary, and some of these are
not Portugal is not a rich country. A lot of
Americans are moving there because it's actually such a good
Your dollar goes so far. It's become a popular producer.
Alli just went there. She said it was amazing. I
actually really want to go side note. But these countries
(10:10):
play when they're giving incentives, it's kind of like.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
A reverse tariff. Right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
When we start to think about it that way, you
see that this is a game that people are.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Playing in a whole range of ways. If if you
bring a.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Movie to let's say you're gonna film a movie in Portugal,
and they're gonna say, hey, we're gonna give you the
following financial incentives for you to make your movie here, well,
it's very similar to the mindset of we're gonna have
a tariff on external movies so that you'll make them
here in America. Right, They're just this is just cash
(10:45):
exchanging hands one way or another to create an incentive structure.
And I think that with the with the movie industry
of the TV industry, this is the one thing I
might add that just traditional America needs to make. This
is where we really need to push now, because the
time has never been more ripe, more clear, and more obvious.
(11:06):
I think for a film studio slash, you know, TV,
some kind of a production house that's not going to
make stuff that is necessarily like right wing or conservative,
but that will appeal to the broadest possible audience, which
will inherently seem conservative compared to some of the slop
(11:26):
they've been putting out on Netflix and Hulu in recent years.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And let me just say again to what Pi Goldberg
you more on, no one is saying if a movie
set in Paris, that the movie shouldn't be shot in Paris. Right,
she doesn't even read the news story she talks about
on the show anymore. I mean she really she's mailing
it in, you know. I've just I've heard things from
people in and who are around that world on the
(11:54):
view that she.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Doesn't really want to be there anymore. No, I'm being serious.
She doesn't want to be there anymore, doesn't want to
do the homework she ever did. And it just comes
across now because what she's saying is so dumb that
it's not even wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well you would, yeah, no, that's you would think. Of
all of the subjects out there, Hollywood, movies, given that
she has been in Hollywood movies historically, would be.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Something that she I know it's been forty it's been
forty years, but she was in some good ones.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You would think that she would be able to intelligently
talk about that. But instead, she's so reflexively anti Trump
that even something that could make sense to help have
more homegrown American jobs in the creative space, which I
think is a good thing, she would be opposed to.
It's just moronic. If anything. You can argue, and some
of you may be of this disposition, I don't want
(12:42):
to do anything for anybody that works in the movies
because they're so left wing and everything else.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I understand that argument. I'm just telling you that, having been.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Out in La a lot, and having worked a lot
in television and movies, I think you would be surprised
the actors and actresses get all the attention.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They're going to be fine, they're super rich.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But I think you'd be surprised by the regular guys
and gals out there working on movies who love Donald
Trump and just want to have a good job so
they can take care of their families.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
We should have more of those in America.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And this is also a time when if you had
the right group of conservative and again I just traditional,
I would say traditional entertainment, not not even it's not
about the politics. It's just about stories that are meant
to inspire and appeal to people in the broadest possible way.
The only stuff that even comes close to that has
been like superhero movies for the past decade. Please don't
(13:33):
send me. I love Kevin Sorbo and some of these
people that have worked on more you know, independent projects
and stuff, and they're doing the best that they can.
I'm saying the big studios. I'm talking about what's getting
made by Amazon and Netflix, and these are the places
that are right Apple, TV, Clay. The time has never
been better to get your you know, undaunted Lewis and
(13:54):
Clark as a series in because I think someone like
a Jeff Bezos could tell the head of content at Amazon, hey,
how about we make a kick ass series that isn't
about how you have to trans your twelve year old
How about that?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Let me give credit here. These guys live in my neighborhood.
Andrew and John Irwin, Andy and John Irwin. They've been
doing tremendous jobs making movies in a lot of the
arena that you're talking about, Buck And what they've seen
is the math on these has really kind of taken off.
They did the best Christmas Badge and ever, they did,
(14:31):
American Underdog they did. They've done a lot of different movies.
I think we had them on I can only imagine
the Jesus Music, the Jesus Revolution, and they're involved in
a lot of a lot of these different The new
David documentary that I think is just I'm not a documentary,
but I mean it's based on a true life history
(14:51):
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Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's killing it.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love that Trump has gone after the stranglehold on
elite academia with Harvard, etc. That's critical and it's part
of the long term play of putting this country, you know,
back in a sane place. M clay entertainment industry, yep it.
You know, this is another place where we need to
really make gains.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
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there's a ton of things we're going to get into
with you, but I want to start with this Anthony Fauci.
The evidence continues to mount that he lied about gain
a function research. You, uniquely, I think in the entire
political class, have continued to hold his feet to the fire.
(19:22):
What is the latest about that that you can tell us.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
We've been trying to get records on the deliberation of
who made the call to send the money to Wuhan,
the research, the lab, the league, who funded it. We
know the nih did it, but we're going to know
who met about it, who discussed it, and who made
the final approval. We think that's Anthony Fauci, and we're
getting closer to that. The Biden administration refused to give
us any documents. They basically refuse for years to give
(19:49):
any Robert Kennedy has opened up the books to us.
Jay Battachari and NIH is also helping us, and we're
sorting through it. We're going to begin interviewing everybody who's
part of the process. So there's a committee over there
that discussed it when Fauci said everybody told him that
it wasn't gain a function. It's interesting though, that the
committee has documents, and in the documents they have EcoHealth Alliance.
(20:13):
This is a group that got the money that took
it to Wuhan. They have EcoHealth Alliance sending notes back
in the NIA saying thank you for lifting our gain
of function pause. So they were paused the government quits
funding gain of function between fourteen and twenty sixteen. They
thanked them for lifting their pause on the same research
that Fauci said was never gained function. So how do
(20:36):
you lift a pause in funding for a project that
was never gain a function if it was never a
gain a function. So we've got evidence like that. But ultimately,
once we've interviewed everybody, we will get to Anthony Fauci.
That will be within a month or two and we'll
be having him come in and testify.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
In terms of that testimony, what are you hoping to
be able to get final answers from fauci on and
given the Senator Paul given the preemptive pardon that he
was given, which is still pretty remarkable when I say
that out loud, that that even happened. What are you
hoping the final disposition of this whole situation will be?
Speaker 6 (21:15):
You know, you realize that's a preemptive pardon where they
don't even list your crime. That he's pardoned for anything,
stealing in a larceny, grand larceny, assault, you name it.
He's pardoned for anything he could have done over a
ten year period. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I've never ever heard of a pardon. It's preemptive and
also includes any possible crime he committed over a ten
(21:35):
year period. I don't have high hopes that he's going
to be ultimately held criminally responsible, but I think it's
important that history judges him accurately and harshly. He made
a decision that led to the million, millions of people dying,
basically a decision to fund a lab that was not
up to safety standards and fund research that was incredibly dangerous.
(22:00):
We also were concerned that this kind of research still
goes on. So the President came out in the last
day or so, with a pause once again on gain
to function research, importantly, not just in our country, but
a pause on all funding we do around the world,
because of course, you know, Uncle Sam funds everybody's research
lab everywhere in the world. And some of this, some
(22:20):
people conjecture Anthony Fauci farmed out because he wanted less scrutiny.
So if he wanted, you know, for example, some of
the most gruesome stuff that was done on beagles was
done in Tunisia. They did in Tunisia hoping that their
sensibility is about sewing their eyelids open and infecting them
with sand fleas and then cutting their larynx out so
you couldn't hear the dogs cry. That there'd be less
(22:43):
sensibility for that somewhere else other than the United States.
But same way with the gain of function, we think
some of it was farmed out. We need to know
the degree of this, and we need to get to
the bottom of it. We're also very concerned with a
couple of labs near Fort Tetrick Kennedy closed one down
and the media reporting he was anti science. I heard
there of the accurate story from Jay Battachari. The accurate
(23:05):
story is someone's asthmat suit was purposely cut in one
of the areas dealing with ebola in different very dangerous viruses.
So getting that kind of disease out of a lab,
if he were to have gotten infected, is incredibly dangerous.
And so next to that lab is an NIHT a
DHS lab Department of Homeland Security that we now have
(23:28):
reports are doing experiments aerosolizing ebola. We think that somebody,
you know, somebody representing the taxpayer and the citizens of
the country ought to be able to take a look
at these labs and find out what experiments are doing
and really should we be doing some of this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think both all of this you just said is
really important because I think it answers two questions. One,
it is backward looking in the context of Fauci should
be seen as a villain of history and his full
trajectory of stories and lies should be analyzed for years
to come. That's backwards looking prospectively, as you just laid out.
The reason why this matters is if China created COVID,
(24:08):
which I think it's quite clear that they did, partly
based on having gain a function access to American taxpayer dollars.
We should be massively concerned about. As you just laid out,
whatever the next iteration of the virus that could be
created is because it could end up far more deadly
than anything that we dealt with with COVID. I think
(24:29):
that's kind of a synthesis of all of this for
people out there who would say, Okay, why are we
still talking about COVID.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, you know, the next virus could be avian flu.
Avian flu has a fifty percent death rate. Coronavirus or
COVID was less than one percent. So avian flu currently
can a human can get it from chickens or from birds,
but doesn't go human to human. But there are experiments
trying to get it to go human to human, mammal
to mammal through the air. These have been funded by NIH.
(24:58):
This is the kind of stuff that has to be discussed.
Is it a death wish for humanity for someone to
try to get av and fluid make it more transmissible
among humans? I think is we should be shouting this
from the rooftop. This kind of research should not occur,
and the tax player shouldn't pay for it. But I
don't know that we've actually gotten to that point yet
the Trump administration's ban or at least temporary or maybe
(25:22):
longer on this as a good step. I have legislation
that would do this, and we actually have gotten bipartisan support.
I've passed it out unanimously out of committee last Congress.
Do it again in the next month or so, and
then we're hoping it can be included in some kind
of legislation that's going to pass soon. But this would
actually let President Trump appoint a panel of scientists. And importantly,
(25:45):
these scientists would not be ones who get NIH grants,
so they can't be bribed to have an opinion. They
will be independent voices, but experts in their field, and
they will examine all government research, all classified and unclassified documents,
and they will give their opinion on whether it should
be funded, and they will have the ability to stop funding.
And it will be a powerful committee. But it won't
(26:06):
be a total ban. It would be we're going to
look at case by case. The reason you need that
is if you just ban it and then the next
people come in and say, well, that's not gain to function.
That's what Anthony Vauci did is oh yeah, we were
had special safety for gaining to function, but this wasn't
kay to function. Anthony Falci to this day still argues
that the research and WU on that led to the
death of six to ten million people. He said that
(26:29):
wasn't gain of function, which nobody else he's other than
Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Speaking the Senator Raan Paul Kentucky Senator on President Trump today,
he spoke about the Houthis. I think he said there's
a deal that they have now. Essentially it's please stop
bombing us and we'll stop blowing up ships. But the
Houthis are an extension and allied with Iran. There's a
lot of talk right now about one kind of I
think you could say a rare disconnect or disagreement at
(26:57):
the senior levels of some of the Trump personnel, and
it has to do with Iran and what we should
do about Iran and its nuclear ambitions going forward. How
do you see that? Where do you think Trump is
on this and where would you like to see this go?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
You know, I'm encouraged by the announcement today and Trump
shows great strength and they back down, and so I
think that is a good thing. And my hope is
that we can get to a point where international shipping
is safe to go around the bend there and up
to the sus With regard to Iran, my hope is
that we can move forward. And this is where Trump
is different than some of the neo conservatives. The new
(27:37):
Conservatives never want to get to the next step of negotiation.
So Trump goes in with a firm hand. But he
does get to the next step of negotiation. He did
it with North Korea. Didn't necessarily work out, But most
of the neocons, from Hillary Clinton to Bill Crystal, would
have never talked to North Korea. They would never talk
to an Iran. Ultimately, getting to the point where we
(27:58):
talk to them is good because really, the only realistic
way of stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon isn't
all Likelihoore likelihood, through diplomacy. I don't think you can
bomb away their nuclear knowledge. I don't think once they
haven't rich unuranium. You know, a cupful of uranium enriched
to ninety five or ninety eight percent is probably enough
for a bomb. You know, you once you get six
(28:19):
or eight or ten cupfuls of the uranium, you're mitched
to that point. You have the rest of the technical
knowledge to do it. You know, you can hide that
thousands of feet below the ground where no bomb can
get to. So you know, I don't want that to happen,
and we want to stop it. But ultimately it has
to be both stick and carrot, and so ultimately you
have to talk to people and you have to This
(28:40):
is the same thing we should be doing with Russia.
You know, they're wanting to put more more sanctions on Russia.
The Lindsey Grahamville wants to put a five hundred percent
tariff on everybody who buys oil from Russia. You know
what that is. That's about forty or fifty countries by
oil and gas and from from Russia. Present tariff would
(29:01):
be a shutdown of basically all commerce in the world.
I mean, it's a terrible idea. What we should be
doing instead is going to rush and say you want
to get back in the banking system, you want to
get rid of some sanctions of Venezuela, and let's have
a ceasefire and peace dogs. I think we have the
ability to offer stuff, but I think we have so
many sanctions already on these countries that really to get
(29:24):
to diplomacy and get to peace. The piece should be
offering to remove sanctions and allow Russia back into the
banking world. But they have to do something real. It
has to be real ceasefire and has to really ultimately
be a peace plan.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
All right, I know it's a complicated topic, but I
want to give you an opportunity to weigh in on
tariffs and analyze this. Reports today that India might be
willing to go to zero tariffs for American goods. It
seems to me that there is dual arguments here. One
is you hear it from a lot of Trump people, Hey,
we want to actually eliminate many of the tariffs and
(29:59):
have more free trade. The other argument is we need
to have more protectionist trade potentially with China other countries.
How do you analyze this, what should we do? And
bigger picture, how does it impact the big beautiful bill.
I know that's a big question, but the tax cut
bill that's currently making its way along with border security
(30:20):
through Congress right now.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
There's two camps on tariffs. They're all pro tariff in
the Trump administration, but two camps. One of the Neanderthal camp.
The Neanderthal camp says that we keep tariffs on until
there's no more trade deficits. Well, you think we're ever
going to get to the point where Bangladesh buys as
much from US as we five from them, Same with Vietnam.
We're a very, very rich country, and part of a
(30:44):
trade deficit is when you're richer, you buy more stuff
from other people than they buy from you. So it's
just that's a ridiculous Neanderthal sort of argument. The other
camp says, well, we want reciprocal agreements, we want fairness,
but we'll you know, we'd like to see lower tariffs.
That's a more reasonable camp actually said, well, I'm not
for the tariffs, and I think tariff's from this guided.
If Trump is able to use as a negotiating technique
(31:06):
the ability of lower terraffs with India and they get
to a much lower level than when we started, I'll
be the first to compliment him on that. But realize
that the tariff bill or the sanctioned bill that Lindsay
is proposing on Russia actually would tearif because India is
an India and China the two biggest purchasers of oil
and gas from from Russia, and if you put a
(31:27):
five hundred percent tariff. That's going the opposite way. So
I don't think we're going to zero. If we passed
this new Russia sanction bill that puts a five hundred
five hundred percent tariff is an embargo. It's it's almost
like a declaration of war basically, So it's a it's
a really really really foolish notion. But uh, if you know,
they come up with a deal with India, I will
(31:49):
be the first to compliment the President and say, gay job.
You know, if he gets if he gets lower tariffs,
we'll see what happens. But I think that should be
the goal really with every country, and I would say
even including China, because I think the moment that we
have no trade with China is the moment that they
become less predictable and potentially more militaristic.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Senator, one more for you. Only got about a minute,
but I just wanted to hear you weigh in on
this because I know government spending and our unsustainable data
is something been for a long time. The dog cuts,
I'm hearing there's been some cuts actually made a lot
of cuts.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Advise, what do you think where are we on that?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
None of them actually count until they come back to Congress.
So if you say you've cut spending unless it's actually
booked by Congress and Congress boats on it, it doesn't really.
It hasn't been transmitted or accounted for. There's supposedly a
recision package. It can be voted on by a simple majority.
That's coming back to us of only nine billion. That's
a pittance. That's a rounding era. I'm for it, but
(32:49):
I'll say send us more please. We'll see. But right
now we have We've been hearing about that for two
weeks and haven't seen that. And if that gets over
here and the weak need Republicans won't go over that,
then I say, Katie bar the door, you might as
well plan on a full scale bankruptcy in the country.
It's the converscating cut nine billion.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
On that note, Senator and Paul, thank you for being
with us as always, Sro.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, Hopefully hopefully it doesn't come to that. He's right
by the way on the numbers and he knows it
and always such a good conversation with the senator from Kentucky.
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