September 8, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful and emotionally charged continuation of the day’s dominant theme: the failure of progressive criminal justice policies and the media’s selective outrage. Buck Sexton opens the hour by revisiting the brutal murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, emphasizing the media blackout surrounding the case despite its viral spread on social media. He argues that the mainstream media, including outlets like The New York Times and The Washington Post, deliberately ignore stories that don’t align with their ideological narrative—particularly when the racial dynamics of a crime don’t fit the preferred script. Sexton contrasts this with the wall-to-wall coverage of cases like George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, and Jussie Smollett, asserting that the media only amplifies stories that can be framed as examples of systemic racism or white-on-black violence.
The hour expands to include another tragic case: the stabbing death of Dr. Julie Gard Schnuelle, a former Auburn University veterinary professor, who was murdered while walking her dog in Alabama. Sexton draws a direct line between these two cases—both involving white female victims and black male suspects with extensive criminal histories—and the broader failures of the justice system. He argues that these are not isolated incidents but symptoms of a systemic refusal to incarcerate dangerous repeat offenders due to ideological commitments to social justice, racial equity, and decarceration. Sexton calls for a national reckoning on crime, demanding that public safety take precedence over political correctness.
President Trump’s recent remarks are also featured prominently in this hour. Trump condemns cashless bail policies and vows to take federal action to restore law and order in cities like Chicago. Sexton praises Trump’s tough-on-crime stance and frames it as a necessary corrective to the chaos unleashed by progressive prosecutors and Democrat-run cities. The show also features commentary from Heather Mac Donald, author of The War on Cops and When Race Trumps Merit, who reinforces Sexton’s arguments with data and analysis. Mac Donald cites a 2023 study from the National Academy of Sciences showing that black-on-white violence is far more common than the reverse, yet receives far less media attention. She criticizes the criminal justice system for prioritizing the rights of offenders over the safety of law-abiding citizens and calls for the construction of more jails and mental health facilities to address the crisis.
The conversation also touches on the role of surveillance and body cameras in undermining false narratives. Sexton and Mac Donald discuss how viral video footage—such as the Charlotte light rail stabbing—has become a threat to the media’s control over public perception. They argue that platforms like X (formerly Twitter) are essential for bypassing censorship and exposing the truth about crime in America. The hour concludes with listener emails reinforcing the show’s themes, including one from a VIP in Alabama who personally knew the Auburn victim and calls for capital punishment for her killer.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Third hour play and buck Kicksoff now plays
off today back tomorrow. He sends his regards to all
of you, and we have much to discuss here. We
started the first hour with the biggest story, I would say,
in the country right now, despite the extensive efforts by
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the Democrat media to make this story go away, despite
efforts by Wikipedia editors to remove the article from Wikipedia.
Despite all of that, because we have shows like this one,
and because we have X, where there is not the
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left wing elbow on this scale all the time, as
there are on so many of these other social media platforms,
and I'm curious. I basically stopped using for anything other
than just posting photos of ginger or speed like Instagram
and Facebook. I don't know if there's I assume they're
still doing the kind of political nonsense that they've always
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been doing. But at least on X you can share
the truth. At least on X there's some chance of
finding out what's really going on. And so this story
of a Ukrainian refugee, Irena Zarutska, twenty three years old.
She's a beautiful young woman. On August twenty second, she
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is heinously murdered by a maniac with a knife sitting
behind her. It's all on video, and it's just it
is true nightmare fuel. It's the worst kind of situation
because any one of us can be sitting anywhere and
there's supposed to be some belief that the system is
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protecting us. I know it doesn't, but we're supposed to
believe at some level the system protects us, that dangerous
psychopaths who have proven themselves over and over to be
a danger of the public will be incarcerated, will no
longer be able to threaten the general public. But what
you say is that you have a situation like this
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where the alleged murderer to Carlos Brown, a black man
who has been arrested thirteen times, including assaults previous assaults
against women, This man murdered this woman. She's a you
can see in the video with the video is just
harrowing to watch. She's a blonde haired, white girl. And
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the media doesn't want to talk about this, even though
it's all over the internet. I mean, if you're judging
it by Internet focus, this is the biggest story in
the country right now. And one thing we talked about
in that first down, and if you missed it, I
would advise it please go back and listen, because I really,
I think laid it out and got into all the
different layers of the story. But one component of that
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is when is it indicative of a broad When is
an incident? Let's put this say, when is a murder
national news? When is a murder national news? If it's
particularly heinous, as this clearly was, you tend to think
that maybe it will be national news. Depence, if it
is a murder of a black person by a white
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person that is also heinous, the chance of it being
national news is essentially one hundred percent right. It will
turn into a story. In fact, it could just be
a hoax hate crime, as we talked about with Jesse Smolett.
But if it is alleged that two white Trump voters
did something mean to a gay black man in Chicago,
it's it is walthall coverage national news. This happens again
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and again. I understand we're not supposed to notice, but
the Democrats war on noticing has gone on law long enough.
We've noticed, we get this, we understand this dynamic. When
is something indicative of a broader problem? We have to
have a nation conversation about I talked to you about
all of the BLM cases. They'll discuss, Oh, this is
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indicative of police and how police are racist and our
society is racist. And you say, well, hold on, no,
it's not. And first of all, on some of the
BLM cases, it was completely lawful use of force. But
put that aside. In what way is the elevation of
George Floyd to near sainthood by the left, a career
criminal who died of a fental overdose with a cop
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with a knee on his back, his neck. In what
way does that advanced society's interest? It doesn't by telling
this story about us. Oh, it's that one incident in
Minnesota means there should be riots all over the country,
race riots all over the country based on what It's
very rare for an unarmed black men to be killed
by law enforcement in this country. This is a fact,
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people can argue, but it's a fact very rare by
the numbers, And so why is it indicative of a
broader conversation? You'll notice on the other side of things,
why is it that when a white woman is murdered
by a career criminal who is a black man. Why
is this not something that gets more attention? That is
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what everyone is asking right now. That is what the
conversation is, at least among people that want to take
a look at criminal justice with seriousness. And so that
brings me to this story of the Ukrainian girl who
was killed by this man who was again career criminal,
should not have been on the streets. Judges saw that
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this was a problem, they decided not to act on it.
This isn't even the only story like this out there
right now. Again, this goes to our when is it
in dick When is there a bigger problem? When is
a systemic failure versus it's just a thing, a random
thing that happened, right If somebody is walking their dog
in my neighborhood and they are truly struck and we
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get a lot of thunderlight lightning storms here, now they're
struck by lightning. Am I going to march out on
the streets and be angry about thunder and lightning? No,
it's a horrible random event, a sad event, tragic event.
And I'd say, well sometimes people get struck by lightning.
You know, there's no systemic change to be had as
a result of that other than you know, try to
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not be out there in a really serious lightning storm.
But you know, who knows, right, Sometimes it's fine. Okay.
So we had that story about the Ukrainian girl, this
white Ukrainian girl. She's murdered by this guy. He's a
career criminal. He's a black guy. He was known to
authorities for a long time. And okay, you say, well, Buck,
that's that's just one incident. Well, here's another incident from
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over the weekend. A beloved This is from the New
York Post. A belove ex veterinary professor, was hacked to
death while walking her dog in an Alabama park where
she took her pet to exercise almost daily. The killer
stole her truck and fled, but was caught by cops
a short distance away. The next day. The body of
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doctor Julie Schnuell, fifty nine, a former professor of large
animal Medicine at Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine, was
discovered in a wooded area on Saturday afternoon. The truck
was recovered on Sunday. By the way, the dog, I
mean like cry even it's a horrible, you know story,
it's such a tragedy. Dog was okay, the dog stayed
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by the owner's body the whole time. I'm you know,
dogs amazing, you know, a gift from God for for
all of us who have dogs. But uh, just anyway,
So the guy arrested for this capital murder, Harold Rashad
Dabney A. He's a black man with a history of
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you know, a history of uh crime. And so you
sit there and you go, all right, is this now
a story for the national media? Why not tainous? Why
isn't it a bigger thing? Isn't this you know, you
you hear this old phrase for the for the news media,
if it bleeds at lee right, horrible? But it's true.
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I mean that's the way it generally goes. You turn
on local news and an'ty given a night there's a shooting,
that's usually the number one story in the local news,
national news. Why isn't this a bigger story? Why isn't
this situation something that we're supposed to have a national
conversation about. I mean, here's another white woman who was
stabbed to death by a black man, and nobody wants
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to talk about it. It at CNN MSNBC, the New
York Times, a Washington Post. Now you could just say, well, uh,
that's just about media focus, you know, because so what's
the takeaway from this? Because if it's just about the
media focus and about you're not supposed to notice that
when the race is this is where you go. What
if the races were different? Right? What if it was
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if it was a young black woman who was stabbed
to death by a white guy, would this be the
biggest story in the country in every news outlet out there? Yes,
yes it would. And so you say, well, why is
that happening? You change the races, and you change the
national media's interest in the story. This is something you
wanted to talk about a national conversation. This is a
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national conversation that should be had. Why does that Why
do we all know that that is the case. Why
do we know that the New York Times is not
covering this or the Ukrainian refugee being stabbed to death
at all. We know they're doing it for ideological reasons.
We know they're doing it because of the narrative and
because of their desire to suppress. And you can say,
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well is this important? Right, that's another layer of this
one is understanding why the media covers us the way
that they do. Right, any violence against a black person
by a non black, particularly by a white person, is
national news by its very nature. According to The New
York Times Washington Post, you'll see this over and over again,
or is certainly much more likely to be national news
than when it is the reverse. This is just observable,
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observable fact by everybody. Why is that? Isn't it just
a human being a stabbed the death in a heinous way.
We should treat the action as worthy of public notice
the same, irrespective of what the victim's race would be.
Why is one more important to the media than another,
or at least the Democrat media. You asked that question.
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And then the other part of it is, so, here
we have two cases of women stabbed to death, white
women stabbed to death by black men in recent in
you know, this just happened over the weekend. The other
one happened a few weeks ago in the most grizzly
and horrific fashion. And there's just an absolute lack of
interest in this. And then we compare from a lot
of the media, and then we compare it to the
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jussy's a small let case. We compare it to George Floyd,
We compare it to Mike Brown BLM, hands up all
the or Trayvon Martin. We're the president at the time,
Barack Obama said, if I had a son, he would
look like Trayvon. I mean, that was That's the level
of attention those stories got. Why why Trayvon Martin shouldn't
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have jumped on a guy and pounded his head into
the pavement because they had some kind of a disagreement.
The guy had a it wasn't a good idea. Why
did the president have to weigh in on that one?
Because it became a story transformed into a story of
white racism in the Trayvon Martin case, that was remarkable. Right,
a Latino guy gets into a fight with a black
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guy and it's about white racism. I mean, this is
what they do. This is what the media does. But
the other part of it is we want this to stop,
and we wanted to stop because when we see or
how we want it to stop is when you see
these cases and you see these people that have been
through the system, they are a clear and present danger
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to the society that they are in and they need
a lengthy period of incarceration and rehabilitation would be nice.
But more importantly, they can't stab any ladies to death,
walking their dogs, or taking the subway if they're in
a prison cell. And we've tried the other way. We
didn't want to, but the country has been put through this.
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We have seen the Democrat soorros prosecutor way, which is,
you know, in the interests of social justice and the
interests of racial justice and the interest of you know,
righting historical wrongs, or however they want to frame this,
we're going to go soft on people who have no
sense of respect for the law, who have no accountability,
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and who are a danger to those around them. And
enough is enough. And this brings me, of course to
the Daniel Penny case in New York City on the subway. Authorities,
prosecute authorities wanted to lock him up because there was
a maniac. In this case, the maniac was a black
guy and the guy who stepped in was a white guy.
There was a maniac who had been arrested, who had
assaulted people, who'd over and over and over again, and
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someone Daniel Penny stepped up and was like, we're I
can't allow this threat against these women in this way.
And the jury had defined in his favor, not the system.
The system wanted to destroy his life. The jury had
defined in his favor because there were enough people on
that jury that are sick of the system failing and
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saying it is about justice. They are sick of the
injustice that this system perpetuates over and over again, allowing
the constant victimization of people, by the way, the disproportionate
victimization of the Black community, by the very small percentage
within that community who are black. What could be better
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for neighborhoods that have too much crime then making them
relatively crime free, making them safe, so that you know,
the black moms and black dads and black residents can
go to their jobs, can go to their work, and
go to the park, do whatever they want to do
in peace, safety and tranquility. That's the way it's supposed
to be for all of us. And I think we've
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just reached a point where whoever it is that has
to get locked up. The small part I told you
about the end the New York City stats about the subway,
sixty three people, thousand arrests. We're not saying lock up.
You know, millions of people here, you're saying lock up
to sixty three, save yourself. Thousands of arrests, make the
subway safer for everybody. What is the counter argument to this?
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There's some kind of a sickness in the liberal mind.
What is the counter argument to this? Other than you know,
social justice. We're all you're racist. It's like, it's not racist.
You know what's horrible. What's horrible is to leave minority
of you know, dominant communities to hide crime rates because
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you're unwilling to take the one percent that's committing all
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Speaker 1 (15:57):
So Trump has been speaking this morning about a lot
of issues, including crime, and he said some words about
the terrible murder on video of that beautiful young Ukrainian refugee,
twenty three year old woman. Just absolutely the most heinous
and just horrific kind of crime. But Trump is also
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saying he's going to do stuff about it. He's not
just expressing his sense of shared grief and prayers and
love for the families. Here, he's saying, we're going to
do something. This is cut five. He's talking about going
into cities and just cleaning out the criminal rot play five.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You know, when you have horrible killings, you have to
take horrible actions. And the actions that we take are nothing.
This cashless veil started a wave in our country where
a killer kills somebody and has out on the street
by the afternoon, in many cases going out and killing again.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Cashless veil.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And you try and reason with people, like in Chicago
with the governor and the mayor, you try and reason
with them, it's like you're talking to a wall. It's
just doesn't I assume it's just a political ideology.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
People must be an ideology that's just buried in the
head and you can't do a damn thing about it.
And we'd love to go into Chicago and straighten the dead.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Going to Chicago and straightened out, going to other places
and straighten it out. This would be certainly a worthy crusade.
And I think that the fact that you have a
president who is taking law enforcement action as a major
component of his administration's focus is something to be really praised.
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And you know, there's we just it doesn't have to
be this way, And that's the sentiment, that's the that's
the reckoning that the country is having right now about
the numbers, yes, but about some of these particularly heinous
cases of career criminals murdering people. So we'll talk to
Heather MacDonald, author of The War on Cops, about this
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Now you're only seeing the very beginnings of this. So
during the first few weeks, of course, we've seen these
radical reductions of violent crime or just get start a
daatf FBI. I've only just begun to identify, disrupt and
dismantle the criminal organizations that have been wreaking havoc on
the city for so long. We're going to take him apart,
member by member, group by group, peace by peace.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That is Stephen Miller saying that the law enforcement deployment
to bring down crime is just beginning. On of course,
the issue of immigration, but also on violent crime. We're
joined out by Heather MacDonald. She's a fellow at the
Manhattan Institute and also author of Well, the War on
Cops and When Race Trump's Merit. Heather, always good to
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have you on the program.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Thank you so much, Bud.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I have to say, I expect a certain degree of
what we're going to talk about, but Heather, for two
heinous murders to occur within pretty close proximity in terms
of time, a couple of weeks of each other. The
New York Times hasn't covered either of them. The Washington
Post hasn't covered either, the murder of this veterinary professor
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in Alabama and also the murder in North Carolina of
this Ukrainian refugee. People see this and our outrage understandably
what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Well, sadly, it's all about race. The black on white
crime gets virtually no attention. And we're supposed to believe
that white on black crime is the dominant reality in
our country today. It is not. A twenty twenty three
study from the National Academy of Sciences left wing group.
Left wing professors involved in it said that there is
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virtually zero white on black homicides in this country, and
that blacks are thirty five times more likely to commit
an act of violence against whites than vice versa. That
is a narrative that is simply not allowed into the
public sphere. And we have allowed this crime to get
out of control for the absolutely phony reason that we
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don't if we incarcerate people will put more black criminals
in jail. Of course, the answer to that is yes,
but blacks are overwhelmingly the victims of crime, but they
don't count because we only care about black victims in
the excruciatingly rare instances when they're killed by a police
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officer or even more rarely, a non official white person.
We have completely forgotten the purpose of government, buck which
is to protect the law abiding. We're living through the
Great inversion, where government has decided that its priorities are
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for the dysfunctional, the criminal, the antisocial. It loads rights
on people that are a threat to society, and it
treats the law abiding merely as ATMs for government's effeckless
social policies from now on, and Trump is leading us
in this direction. We had the government has one obligation,
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and one obligation only protect life. Protect property, protect safety.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, Heather, I'm sure you might have seen this.
There's already some very interesting and somewhat or very troubling
conversations around particularly the Ukrainian, the Ukrainian refugee who was
murdered on video on the North Carolina light rail and Charlotte.
People just starting to GoFundMe. Those have been taken down
Wikipedia trying to take this off the case off of Wikipedia.
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That obviously is getting attention. But this from Axios. You know,
bodycams I think are the single biggest impediment that BLM
has to three point zero. I mean, I've been tech
talking to this for a while that the more familiar
people become with body camera footage in general but also
in specific incidents, the less likely they are to believe
some of these tales and some of these initial narratives
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that are put out there. Axios wrote, the rising this
is just this more the big picture. The rising number
of surveillance cameras in public spaces, including on Charlotte's light rail,
has become a big accelerate. In these cases, the video
is easily shared or leaked and can pollinate across social media.
I'm starting to feel like they don't want us to
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see what's going on.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
It's hilarious. I found that that headline simply stunning. It
is about as clarifying as it gets. They had control
of the narrative. They decided what the public was allowed
to know and what it wasn't. The public is completely
in the dark about the reality of inner city crime
because the media has decided we don't dare to know
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it because we might become racists and axios. And the
mainstream media is terrified that they are losing control of
the narrative. That's why, of course Biden tried, through the
collusion of the pressure on social media companies to shut
down x for once. You know, we were also optimistic
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about the web when it came into being. We thought
it's going to crowdsource knowledge, and then it turned out
to have many many downsides as far as social addiction
to this. But here again is one of the great
upsides is it does give the people a way to
fight back against the censorship of the elite media establishment
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and the elite political establishment as well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
When President Trump was speaking about this is year recently
talked about no cash bail and just the out. Can
you just take us back a little bit in time.
Here heather to the argument that we had to have
no cash bail in places like New York, and then
what has this what have the numbers told us this
has resulted? Enemy, what has that carnage looked like?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Well, the argument, and I'm going to be honest here, Buck,
I'm somewhat sympathetic to the anti bail argument because as
it is sort of a form of preemptive detention before
you have made a judgment that under a probable cause
standard of criminal guilt. But the argument is, the non
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race argument, is that it's unfair to the poor. It
is economically discriminatory because if you don't have the money
to make cash bail, you're going to be held, and
if you have the money, you're going to be out.
The real argument, again, everything, I'm sorry to say it
is depressing, it's disheartening, but everything in our criminal justice
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system today is driven by race. And that means it's
driven by the fact that the crime rate among blacks
is exponentially higher than among whites. Again, we're not supposed
to say these things, but that's why we are not
enforcing the law. That is why we are not imposing bail.
It is why judges are letting people go, and above all,
it's why prosecutors are not prosecuting crimes. And it's also
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driving our mental health system. I mean, in New York
you can see it. These schizophrenics. De Carlos Brown was
a schizophrenic. They're all out on the streets. It's like
a scene out of Bedlam. And that too, we're not
going to incarcerate the mentally ill or take them off
the streets because again the racial disproportionality. And so there
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is some argument that the failure to impose bail is
allowing a lot of recidivism. I think the solution is
to just give judges power with regards would I would
get rid of the cash component and just give judges
the ability to say, no, you're risk.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You're being held.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Ye, And you know, again this is where the great
inversion comes in. But you get at most one free
bite of the apple and then that's it. This is
a statistical certainty. It was a known certainty that something
like this horrific stabbing and the stabbing in Alabama was
going to happen. When you will allow criminals, when you
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allow the mentally ill, drug addicted on the streets. It
will happen. That is no longer acceptable. We have to
put the burden on the criminal to justify himself. The
responsibility is to protect the public. If somebody has committed
one crime that is putting the establishment, the government officials unnoticed,
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they will likely commit it again. We have to be
much more safe to protective. Right now, all we care
about is protecting the rights of the mentally ill, the
vagrants and the criminals. That has got to end.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know, there's this story Heather in the New York Post.
I'm sure you saw it, your New Yorker, about sixty
three people who are responsible. And I would not have
I would have guessed that it was six hundred and
thirty arrests. No, No, five thousand, five thousand arrests, sixty
three people. You hear this? How is that even? How
is it even possible? Well, they've got people like this guy,
(28:06):
sixty twenty eight year old Kenny Mitchell. This is the
New York Post arrested a total of one hundred and
forty nine times eighteen times since May of this year
for alleged theft and forgery. Found lying on the sea
train platform with pockets full of crack viiles one hundred
and fifty someone's arrested one hundred and fifty times. What
(28:28):
is a judge doing when this person the one hundred
and forty ninth time goes in front of them, Like,
what is the thought process?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
The thought process is I am. My responsibility is to
the down trodden, the allegedly downtrodden, the discriminated against the
people that are the victims of racial injustice. That's who
I care about. The public is not before me. Again,
this has to end. If there's any excuse about we
(28:58):
don't have the jail space to hold people, we don't
have the mental institutions to hold people. Build them Trump,
build them. You know, I'm not a big fan of
distributing federal tax dollars to localities because it's just a
shell game. It's the same tax dollars that began in
the locality that come back to it minus you know,
(29:19):
fifty percent of red tape cause having gone to Washington
and back. Nevertheless, if there's anything that deserves federal funding,
build the jails, build of the facilities, get rid of
the damn laws that give priority to keeping the homeless
people on the streets. Get rid of the homeless outreach teams.
(29:42):
This is not housing. Everybody on the street has been
offered shelter multiple times. They do not have the right
to say no. They do not have the right to colonize.
You can go to Penn Station. You will see dozens
of de Carlos Browns. They are walking to I'm bombs.
They are going to explode, and every time they explode.
(30:05):
That is on the hands of our government officials. They
have one duty and one duty only protect the public.
Their duty is not to protect the dysfunctional and the
anti social.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know, Heather, I just another staff from this New
York Post piece. Ten years ago, eighty one percent of
transit felony arrests in New York City resulted in convictions.
It's thirty six percent today. It's not because they're arresting
all the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
It's because, again, we feel guilty wrongly as a society.
We have historical guilt. We are not guilty today. This
is not a white supremacist society. It is just the opposite.
We are giving benefits and opportunities and preferences to underrepresented
minorities all the time. It is time to end the
(30:57):
racial grift. To end the racial guilt again. If you
want to play this black victims by all means.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Do it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
When we allow criminals to stay on the streets, it's
the it's the safe. The safety observing hard working residents
of East Harlem, the South Side of Chicago that are
finding their children gunned down. The media and the activists
tell them hilariously that they should fear white people or
(31:28):
they should fear the National Guard. Are you kidding me?
The National Guard is their only hope. And we have
this completely contradictory message on the one hand that comes
out of the New York Times and everybody else in
the Washington Post wle the national Guard is making everybody scared.
They're like so traumatized. And yet the National Guard is
(31:49):
going to the mall. It is going to the Washington Mall,
it is going to the Smithsonian. It isn't going to Anacostia.
So you know, decide do you want Do you want
them in the high crime neighborhoods or not? Are you
scared of them or not? The fact is is that
law enforcement works. As you were saying earlier today, we
know how to do this. As you were saying, earlier. Today,
(32:10):
this is a choice. It is not an inevitability. Homelessness,
vagrancy street colonization choice policy outcome, not a naturally occurring phenomenon.
Policy choices. We knew how to do this a century ago.
We did not allow people to colonize city streets. When
you do do that, you're going to get more of this.
(32:32):
Because these people, they have shown themselves to be threats.
They have to be off the streets. We have to
say no more. And thank Heavens, we have a president
who understands one murder is too many. I cannot believe
in the Axio story. They're also trotting out the usual. Well,
the problem with these videos is it's giving people a
(32:56):
way to not believe that crime is dropping. If I
hear the crime is dropped meme one more time, I
am going to go nuts because it doesn't matter. It's
a non sequitor. Crime is dropping a little bit, since
it's post George Floyd Race ride astronomical high, it doesn't matter.
(33:16):
One is too many. It is still way too high.
Our homicide rate is sixty times that of Switzerland, twenty
seven times that of London. In Washington, DC. This is
not acceptable in a civilized society.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Nathan MacDonald, author of The War on Cops and When
Race Trump's Merit. Heather always appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Thank you for having me on Buck.
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You just had the day off today and we will
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I'm sure of many of the conversations we had to
day probably get into some of the economies. Really talk
much about that one Heather McDonald always just brings so
(35:25):
much clarity and forceful thinking, strong thinking to the conversation.
VIP email from Edgar here. The question that needs to
be asked is if it was a black Muslim woman
stabbed by a white man, what would the outcome be?
I can tell you riots twenty four to seven liberal
media coverage forever. Yeah, of course, we just run this
(35:46):
experiment over and over again. Just find me, I mean,
any any number of cases where this is, this is
what has happened. And then a VIP email here from
Mike in Alabama, say, is the suspect in that stabbing
was arrested three hundred yards from my house. The vet
doctor who was murdered in Auburn was a beloved was
(36:07):
beloved by many vet school staff. My wife worked at
the vet school, knew the victim. Kudos the Auburn Police
department for identifying the suspect. He deserves capital punishment for
this murder. And uh yeah, I agree, and uh I
just you know, pray for the pray for this, for
that woman's soul and for those who knew and loved her.
(36:27):
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Welcome everybody. Third hour play and buck Kicksoff now plays
off today back tomorrow. He sends his regards to all
of you, and we have much to discuss here. We
started the first hour with the biggest story, I would say,
in the country right now, despite the extensive efforts by
(00:21):
the Democrat media to make this story go away, despite
efforts by Wikipedia editors to remove the article from Wikipedia.
Despite all of that, because we have shows like this one,
and because we have X, where there is not the
(00:44):
left wing elbow on this scale all the time, as
there are on so many of these other social media platforms,
and I'm curious. I basically stopped using for anything other
than just posting photos of ginger or speed like Instagram
and Facebook. I don't know if there's I assume they're
still doing the kind of political nonsense that they've always
(01:07):
been doing. But at least on X you can share
the truth. At least on X there's some chance of
finding out what's really going on. And so this story
of a Ukrainian refugee, Irena Zarutska, twenty three years old.
She's a beautiful young woman. On August twenty second, she
(01:28):
is heinously murdered by a maniac with a knife sitting
behind her. It's all on video, and it's just it
is true nightmare fuel. It's the worst kind of situation
because any one of us can be sitting anywhere and
there's supposed to be some belief that the system is
(01:50):
protecting us. I know it doesn't, but we're supposed to
believe at some level the system protects us, that dangerous
psychopaths who have proven themselves over and over to be
a danger of the public will be incarcerated, will no
longer be able to threaten the general public. But what
you say is that you have a situation like this
(02:12):
where the alleged murderer to Carlos Brown, a black man
who has been arrested thirteen times, including assaults previous assaults
against women, This man murdered this woman. She's a you
can see in the video with the video is just
harrowing to watch. She's a blonde haired, white girl. And
(02:37):
the media doesn't want to talk about this, even though
it's all over the internet. I mean, if you're judging
it by Internet focus, this is the biggest story in
the country right now. And one thing we talked about
in that first down, and if you missed it, I
would advise it please go back and listen, because I really,
I think laid it out and got into all the
different layers of the story. But one component of that
(02:59):
is when is it indicative of a broad When is
an incident? Let's put this say, when is a murder
national news? When is a murder national news? If it's
particularly heinous, as this clearly was, you tend to think
that maybe it will be national news. Depence, if it
is a murder of a black person by a white
(03:20):
person that is also heinous, the chance of it being
national news is essentially one hundred percent right. It will
turn into a story. In fact, it could just be
a hoax hate crime, as we talked about with Jesse Smolett.
But if it is alleged that two white Trump voters
did something mean to a gay black man in Chicago,
it's it is walthall coverage national news. This happens again
(03:44):
and again. I understand we're not supposed to notice, but
the Democrats war on noticing has gone on law long enough.
We've noticed, we get this, we understand this dynamic. When
is something indicative of a broader problem? We have to
have a nation conversation about I talked to you about
all of the BLM cases. They'll discuss, Oh, this is
(04:04):
indicative of police and how police are racist and our
society is racist. And you say, well, hold on, no,
it's not. And first of all, on some of the
BLM cases, it was completely lawful use of force. But
put that aside. In what way is the elevation of
George Floyd to near sainthood by the left, a career
criminal who died of a fental overdose with a cop
(04:25):
with a knee on his back, his neck. In what
way does that advanced society's interest? It doesn't by telling
this story about us. Oh, it's that one incident in
Minnesota means there should be riots all over the country,
race riots all over the country based on what It's
very rare for an unarmed black men to be killed
by law enforcement in this country. This is a fact,
(04:46):
people can argue, but it's a fact very rare by
the numbers, And so why is it indicative of a
broader conversation? You'll notice on the other side of things,
why is it that when a white woman is murdered
by a career criminal who is a black man. Why
is this not something that gets more attention? That is
(05:06):
what everyone is asking right now. That is what the
conversation is, at least among people that want to take
a look at criminal justice with seriousness. And so that
brings me to this story of the Ukrainian girl who
was killed by this man who was again career criminal,
should not have been on the streets. Judges saw that
(05:27):
this was a problem, they decided not to act on it.
This isn't even the only story like this out there
right now. Again, this goes to our when is it
in dick When is there a bigger problem? When is
a systemic failure versus it's just a thing, a random
thing that happened, right If somebody is walking their dog
in my neighborhood and they are truly struck and we
(05:48):
get a lot of thunderlight lightning storms here, now they're
struck by lightning. Am I going to march out on
the streets and be angry about thunder and lightning? No,
it's a horrible random event, a sad event, tragic event.
And I'd say, well sometimes people get struck by lightning.
You know, there's no systemic change to be had as
a result of that other than you know, try to
(06:09):
not be out there in a really serious lightning storm.
But you know, who knows, right, Sometimes it's fine. Okay.
So we had that story about the Ukrainian girl, this
white Ukrainian girl. She's murdered by this guy. He's a
career criminal. He's a black guy. He was known to
authorities for a long time. And okay, you say, well, Buck,
that's that's just one incident. Well, here's another incident from
(06:30):
over the weekend. A beloved This is from the New
York Post. A belove ex veterinary professor, was hacked to
death while walking her dog in an Alabama park where
she took her pet to exercise almost daily. The killer
stole her truck and fled, but was caught by cops
a short distance away. The next day. The body of
(06:54):
doctor Julie Schnuell, fifty nine, a former professor of large
animal Medicine at Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine, was
discovered in a wooded area on Saturday afternoon. The truck
was recovered on Sunday. By the way, the dog, I
mean like cry even it's a horrible, you know story,
it's such a tragedy. Dog was okay, the dog stayed
(07:15):
by the owner's body the whole time. I'm you know,
dogs amazing, you know, a gift from God for for
all of us who have dogs. But uh, just anyway,
So the guy arrested for this capital murder, Harold Rashad
Dabney A. He's a black man with a history of
(07:39):
you know, a history of uh crime. And so you
sit there and you go, all right, is this now
a story for the national media? Why not tainous? Why
isn't it a bigger thing? Isn't this you know, you
you hear this old phrase for the for the news media,
if it bleeds at lee right, horrible? But it's true.
(08:02):
I mean that's the way it generally goes. You turn
on local news and an'ty given a night there's a shooting,
that's usually the number one story in the local news,
national news. Why isn't this a bigger story? Why isn't
this situation something that we're supposed to have a national
conversation about. I mean, here's another white woman who was
stabbed to death by a black man, and nobody wants
(08:24):
to talk about it. It at CNN MSNBC, the New
York Times, a Washington Post. Now you could just say, well, uh,
that's just about media focus, you know, because so what's
the takeaway from this? Because if it's just about the
media focus and about you're not supposed to notice that
when the race is this is where you go. What
if the races were different? Right? What if it was
(08:45):
if it was a young black woman who was stabbed
to death by a white guy, would this be the
biggest story in the country in every news outlet out there? Yes,
yes it would. And so you say, well, why is
that happening? You change the races, and you change the
national media's interest in the story. This is something you
wanted to talk about a national conversation. This is a
(09:06):
national conversation that should be had. Why does that Why
do we all know that that is the case. Why
do we know that the New York Times is not
covering this or the Ukrainian refugee being stabbed to death
at all. We know they're doing it for ideological reasons.
We know they're doing it because of the narrative and
because of their desire to suppress. And you can say,
(09:28):
well is this important? Right, that's another layer of this
one is understanding why the media covers us the way
that they do. Right, any violence against a black person
by a non black, particularly by a white person, is
national news by its very nature. According to The New
York Times Washington Post, you'll see this over and over again,
or is certainly much more likely to be national news
than when it is the reverse. This is just observable,
(09:51):
observable fact by everybody. Why is that? Isn't it just
a human being a stabbed the death in a heinous way.
We should treat the action as worthy of public notice
the same, irrespective of what the victim's race would be.
Why is one more important to the media than another,
or at least the Democrat media. You asked that question.
(10:13):
And then the other part of it is, so, here
we have two cases of women stabbed to death, white
women stabbed to death by black men in recent in
you know, this just happened over the weekend. The other
one happened a few weeks ago in the most grizzly
and horrific fashion. And there's just an absolute lack of
interest in this. And then we compare from a lot
of the media, and then we compare it to the
(10:35):
jussy's a small let case. We compare it to George Floyd,
We compare it to Mike Brown BLM, hands up all
the or Trayvon Martin. We're the president at the time,
Barack Obama said, if I had a son, he would
look like Trayvon. I mean, that was That's the level
of attention those stories got. Why why Trayvon Martin shouldn't
(10:55):
have jumped on a guy and pounded his head into
the pavement because they had some kind of a disagreement.
The guy had a it wasn't a good idea. Why
did the president have to weigh in on that one?
Because it became a story transformed into a story of
white racism in the Trayvon Martin case, that was remarkable. Right,
a Latino guy gets into a fight with a black
(11:16):
guy and it's about white racism. I mean, this is
what they do. This is what the media does. But
the other part of it is we want this to stop,
and we wanted to stop because when we see or
how we want it to stop is when you see
these cases and you see these people that have been
through the system, they are a clear and present danger
(11:38):
to the society that they are in and they need
a lengthy period of incarceration and rehabilitation would be nice.
But more importantly, they can't stab any ladies to death,
walking their dogs, or taking the subway if they're in
a prison cell. And we've tried the other way. We
didn't want to, but the country has been put through this.
(11:59):
We have seen the Democrat soorros prosecutor way, which is,
you know, in the interests of social justice and the
interests of racial justice and the interest of you know,
righting historical wrongs, or however they want to frame this,
we're going to go soft on people who have no
sense of respect for the law, who have no accountability,
(12:23):
and who are a danger to those around them. And
enough is enough. And this brings me, of course to
the Daniel Penny case in New York City on the subway. Authorities,
prosecute authorities wanted to lock him up because there was
a maniac. In this case, the maniac was a black
guy and the guy who stepped in was a white guy.
There was a maniac who had been arrested, who had
assaulted people, who'd over and over and over again, and
(12:45):
someone Daniel Penny stepped up and was like, we're I
can't allow this threat against these women in this way.
And the jury had defined in his favor, not the system.
The system wanted to destroy his life. The jury had
defined in his favor because there were enough people on
that jury that are sick of the system failing and
(13:05):
saying it is about justice. They are sick of the
injustice that this system perpetuates over and over again, allowing
the constant victimization of people, by the way, the disproportionate
victimization of the Black community, by the very small percentage
within that community who are black. What could be better
(13:27):
for neighborhoods that have too much crime then making them
relatively crime free, making them safe, so that you know,
the black moms and black dads and black residents can
go to their jobs, can go to their work, and
go to the park, do whatever they want to do
in peace, safety and tranquility. That's the way it's supposed
to be for all of us. And I think we've
(13:50):
just reached a point where whoever it is that has
to get locked up. The small part I told you
about the end the New York City stats about the subway,
sixty three people, thousand arrests. We're not saying lock up.
You know, millions of people here, you're saying lock up
to sixty three, save yourself. Thousands of arrests, make the
subway safer for everybody. What is the counter argument to this?
(14:12):
There's some kind of a sickness in the liberal mind.
What is the counter argument to this? Other than you know,
social justice. We're all you're racist. It's like, it's not racist.
You know what's horrible. What's horrible is to leave minority
of you know, dominant communities to hide crime rates because
(14:34):
you're unwilling to take the one percent that's committing all
the crimes and lock them up. That's horrible, that's wrong,
that's inhumane. Actually, and I think the Republicans see this.
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So Trump has been speaking this morning about a lot
of issues, including crime, and he said some words about
the terrible murder on video of that beautiful young Ukrainian refugee,
twenty three year old woman. Just absolutely the most heinous
and just horrific kind of crime. But Trump is also
(16:18):
saying he's going to do stuff about it. He's not
just expressing his sense of shared grief and prayers and
love for the families. Here, he's saying, we're going to
do something. This is cut five. He's talking about going
into cities and just cleaning out the criminal rot play five.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You know, when you have horrible killings, you have to
take horrible actions. And the actions that we take are nothing.
This cashless veil started a wave in our country where
a killer kills somebody and has out on the street
by the afternoon, in many cases going out and killing again.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Cashless veil.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And you try and reason with people, like in Chicago
with the governor and the mayor, you try and reason
with them, it's like you're talking to a wall. It's
just doesn't I assume it's just a political ideology.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
People must be an ideology that's just buried in the
head and you can't do a damn thing about it.
And we'd love to go into Chicago and straighten the dead.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Going to Chicago and straightened out, going to other places
and straighten it out. This would be certainly a worthy crusade.
And I think that the fact that you have a
president who is taking law enforcement action as a major
component of his administration's focus is something to be really praised.
(17:36):
And you know, there's we just it doesn't have to
be this way, And that's the sentiment, that's the that's
the reckoning that the country is having right now about
the numbers, yes, but about some of these particularly heinous
cases of career criminals murdering people. So we'll talk to
Heather MacDonald, author of The War on Cops, about this
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Now you're only seeing the very beginnings of this. So
during the first few weeks, of course, we've seen these
radical reductions of violent crime or just get start a
daatf FBI. I've only just begun to identify, disrupt and
dismantle the criminal organizations that have been wreaking havoc on
the city for so long. We're going to take him apart,
member by member, group by group, peace by peace.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That is Stephen Miller saying that the law enforcement deployment
to bring down crime is just beginning. On of course,
the issue of immigration, but also on violent crime. We're
joined out by Heather MacDonald. She's a fellow at the
Manhattan Institute and also author of Well, the War on
Cops and When Race Trump's Merit. Heather, always good to
(19:36):
have you on the program.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Thank you so much, Bud.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I have to say, I expect a certain degree of
what we're going to talk about, but Heather, for two
heinous murders to occur within pretty close proximity in terms
of time, a couple of weeks of each other. The
New York Times hasn't covered either of them. The Washington
Post hasn't covered either, the murder of this veterinary professor
(20:00):
in Alabama and also the murder in North Carolina of
this Ukrainian refugee. People see this and our outrage understandably
what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Well, sadly, it's all about race. The black on white
crime gets virtually no attention. And we're supposed to believe
that white on black crime is the dominant reality in
our country today. It is not. A twenty twenty three
study from the National Academy of Sciences left wing group.
Left wing professors involved in it said that there is
(20:34):
virtually zero white on black homicides in this country, and
that blacks are thirty five times more likely to commit
an act of violence against whites than vice versa. That
is a narrative that is simply not allowed into the
public sphere. And we have allowed this crime to get
out of control for the absolutely phony reason that we
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don't if we incarcerate people will put more black criminals
in jail. Of course, the answer to that is yes,
but blacks are overwhelmingly the victims of crime, but they
don't count because we only care about black victims in
the excruciatingly rare instances when they're killed by a police
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officer or even more rarely, a non official white person.
We have completely forgotten the purpose of government, buck which
is to protect the law abiding. We're living through the
Great inversion, where government has decided that its priorities are
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for the dysfunctional, the criminal, the antisocial. It loads rights
on people that are a threat to society, and it
treats the law abiding merely as ATMs for government's effeckless
social policies from now on, and Trump is leading us
in this direction. We had the government has one obligation,
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and one obligation only protect life. Protect property, protect safety.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, Heather, I'm sure you might have seen this.
There's already some very interesting and somewhat or very troubling
conversations around particularly the Ukrainian, the Ukrainian refugee who was
murdered on video on the North Carolina light rail and Charlotte.
People just starting to GoFundMe. Those have been taken down
Wikipedia trying to take this off the case off of Wikipedia.
(22:35):
That obviously is getting attention. But this from Axios. You know,
bodycams I think are the single biggest impediment that BLM
has to three point zero. I mean, I've been tech
talking to this for a while that the more familiar
people become with body camera footage in general but also
in specific incidents, the less likely they are to believe
some of these tales and some of these initial narratives
(22:56):
that are put out there. Axios wrote, the rising this
is just this more the big picture. The rising number
of surveillance cameras in public spaces, including on Charlotte's light rail,
has become a big accelerate. In these cases, the video
is easily shared or leaked and can pollinate across social media.
I'm starting to feel like they don't want us to
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see what's going on.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
It's hilarious. I found that that headline simply stunning. It
is about as clarifying as it gets. They had control
of the narrative. They decided what the public was allowed
to know and what it wasn't. The public is completely
in the dark about the reality of inner city crime
because the media has decided we don't dare to know
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it because we might become racists and axios. And the
mainstream media is terrified that they are losing control of
the narrative. That's why, of course Biden tried, through the
collusion of the pressure on social media companies to shut
down x for once. You know, we were also optimistic
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about the web when it came into being. We thought
it's going to crowdsource knowledge, and then it turned out
to have many many downsides as far as social addiction
to this. But here again is one of the great
upsides is it does give the people a way to
fight back against the censorship of the elite media establishment
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and the elite political establishment as well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
When President Trump was speaking about this is year recently
talked about no cash bail and just the out. Can
you just take us back a little bit in time.
Here heather to the argument that we had to have
no cash bail in places like New York, and then
what has this what have the numbers told us this
has resulted? Enemy, what has that carnage looked like?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Well, the argument, and I'm going to be honest here, Buck,
I'm somewhat sympathetic to the anti bail argument because as
it is sort of a form of preemptive detention before
you have made a judgment that under a probable cause
standard of criminal guilt. But the argument is, the non
(25:15):
race argument, is that it's unfair to the poor. It
is economically discriminatory because if you don't have the money
to make cash bail, you're going to be held, and
if you have the money, you're going to be out.
The real argument, again, everything, I'm sorry to say it
is depressing, it's disheartening, but everything in our criminal justice
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system today is driven by race. And that means it's
driven by the fact that the crime rate among blacks
is exponentially higher than among whites. Again, we're not supposed
to say these things, but that's why we are not
enforcing the law. That is why we are not imposing bail.
It is why judges are letting people go, and above all,
it's why prosecutors are not prosecuting crimes. And it's also
(26:00):
driving our mental health system. I mean, in New York
you can see it. These schizophrenics. De Carlos Brown was
a schizophrenic. They're all out on the streets. It's like
a scene out of Bedlam. And that too, we're not
going to incarcerate the mentally ill or take them off
the streets because again the racial disproportionality. And so there
(26:24):
is some argument that the failure to impose bail is
allowing a lot of recidivism. I think the solution is
to just give judges power with regards would I would
get rid of the cash component and just give judges
the ability to say, no, you're risk.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You're being held.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Ye, And you know, again this is where the great
inversion comes in. But you get at most one free
bite of the apple and then that's it. This is
a statistical certainty. It was a known certainty that something
like this horrific stabbing and the stabbing in Alabama was
going to happen. When you will allow criminals, when you
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allow the mentally ill, drug addicted on the streets. It
will happen. That is no longer acceptable. We have to
put the burden on the criminal to justify himself. The
responsibility is to protect the public. If somebody has committed
one crime that is putting the establishment, the government officials unnoticed,
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they will likely commit it again. We have to be
much more safe to protective. Right now, all we care
about is protecting the rights of the mentally ill, the
vagrants and the criminals. That has got to end.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know, there's this story Heather in the New York Post.
I'm sure you saw it, your New Yorker, about sixty
three people who are responsible. And I would not have
I would have guessed that it was six hundred and
thirty arrests. No, No, five thousand, five thousand arrests, sixty
three people. You hear this? How is that even? How
is it even possible? Well, they've got people like this guy,
(28:06):
sixty twenty eight year old Kenny Mitchell. This is the
New York Post arrested a total of one hundred and
forty nine times eighteen times since May of this year
for alleged theft and forgery. Found lying on the sea
train platform with pockets full of crack viiles one hundred
and fifty someone's arrested one hundred and fifty times. What
(28:28):
is a judge doing when this person the one hundred
and forty ninth time goes in front of them, Like,
what is the thought process?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
The thought process is I am. My responsibility is to
the down trodden, the allegedly downtrodden, the discriminated against the
people that are the victims of racial injustice. That's who
I care about. The public is not before me. Again,
this has to end. If there's any excuse about we
(28:58):
don't have the jail space to hold people, we don't
have the mental institutions to hold people. Build them Trump,
build them. You know, I'm not a big fan of
distributing federal tax dollars to localities because it's just a
shell game. It's the same tax dollars that began in
the locality that come back to it minus you know,
(29:19):
fifty percent of red tape cause having gone to Washington
and back. Nevertheless, if there's anything that deserves federal funding,
build the jails, build of the facilities, get rid of
the damn laws that give priority to keeping the homeless
people on the streets. Get rid of the homeless outreach teams.
(29:42):
This is not housing. Everybody on the street has been
offered shelter multiple times. They do not have the right
to say no. They do not have the right to colonize.
You can go to Penn Station. You will see dozens
of de Carlos Browns. They are walking to I'm bombs.
They are going to explode, and every time they explode.
(30:05):
That is on the hands of our government officials. They
have one duty and one duty only protect the public.
Their duty is not to protect the dysfunctional and the
anti social.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know, Heather, I just another staff from this New
York Post piece. Ten years ago, eighty one percent of
transit felony arrests in New York City resulted in convictions.
It's thirty six percent today. It's not because they're arresting
all the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
It's because, again, we feel guilty wrongly as a society.
We have historical guilt. We are not guilty today. This
is not a white supremacist society. It is just the opposite.
We are giving benefits and opportunities and preferences to underrepresented
minorities all the time. It is time to end the
(30:57):
racial grift. To end the racial guilt again. If you
want to play this black victims by all means.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Do it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
When we allow criminals to stay on the streets, it's
the it's the safe. The safety observing hard working residents
of East Harlem, the South Side of Chicago that are
finding their children gunned down. The media and the activists
tell them hilariously that they should fear white people or
(31:28):
they should fear the National Guard. Are you kidding me?
The National Guard is their only hope. And we have
this completely contradictory message on the one hand that comes
out of the New York Times and everybody else in
the Washington Post wle the national Guard is making everybody scared.
They're like so traumatized. And yet the National Guard is
(31:49):
going to the mall. It is going to the Washington Mall,
it is going to the Smithsonian. It isn't going to Anacostia.
So you know, decide do you want Do you want
them in the high crime neighborhoods or not? Are you
scared of them or not? The fact is is that
law enforcement works. As you were saying earlier today, we
know how to do this. As you were saying, earlier. Today,
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this is a choice. It is not an inevitability. Homelessness,
vagrancy street colonization choice policy outcome, not a naturally occurring phenomenon.
Policy choices. We knew how to do this a century ago.
We did not allow people to colonize city streets. When
you do do that, you're going to get more of this.
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Because these people, they have shown themselves to be threats.
They have to be off the streets. We have to
say no more. And thank Heavens, we have a president
who understands one murder is too many. I cannot believe
in the Axio story. They're also trotting out the usual. Well,
the problem with these videos is it's giving people a
(32:56):
way to not believe that crime is dropping. If I
hear the crime is dropped meme one more time, I
am going to go nuts because it doesn't matter. It's
a non sequitor. Crime is dropping a little bit, since
it's post George Floyd Race ride astronomical high, it doesn't matter.
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One is too many. It is still way too high.
Our homicide rate is sixty times that of Switzerland, twenty
seven times that of London. In Washington, DC. This is
not acceptable in a civilized society.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Nathan MacDonald, author of The War on Cops and When
Race Trump's Merit. Heather always appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Thank you for having me on Buck.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
We're gonna be closing up shop here shortly on Clay
and Buck for the day. Thanks for being here with us.
Clay is if you would find he'll be back tomorrow.
You just had the day off today and we will
dive into all the latest news and we'll get into more.
I'm sure of many of the conversations we had to
day probably get into some of the economies. Really talk
much about that one Heather McDonald always just brings so
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much clarity and forceful thinking, strong thinking to the conversation.
VIP email from Edgar here. The question that needs to
be asked is if it was a black Muslim woman
stabbed by a white man, what would the outcome be?
I can tell you riots twenty four to seven liberal
media coverage forever. Yeah, of course, we just run this
(35:46):
experiment over and over again. Just find me, I mean,
any any number of cases where this is, this is
what has happened. And then a VIP email here from
Mike in Alabama, say, is the suspect in that stabbing
was arrested three hundred yards from my house. The vet
doctor who was murdered in Auburn was a beloved was
(36:07):
beloved by many vet school staff. My wife worked at
the vet school, knew the victim. Kudos the Auburn Police
department for identifying the suspect. He deserves capital punishment for
this murder. And uh yeah, I agree, and uh I
just you know, pray for the pray for this, for
that woman's soul and for those who knew and loved her.
(36:27):
And you know, look, it's a tough day today talking
about these things. But we have to. We have to
do so honestly and sincerely here on the show, and
we do. We'll come back tomorrow, We'll get to you
with all the latest news of the day. Appreciate your
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