September 19, 2025 • 36 mins
In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton hosts a compelling segment featuring Karol Markowitz, a contributor to the Clay and Buck Podcast Network and co-host of the "Karol Markowitz Show" and "Normally" podcast. This hour dives deep into cultural commentary, media accountability, parenting in the digital age, and the political fallout surrounding Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The conversation opens with light banter about sports and family dynamics, highlighting Buck’s non-sports lifestyle and Karol’s humorous take on football fandom. The tone quickly shifts to a serious discussion about Jimmy Kimmel’s recent controversy, where Karol and Buck dissect the implications of cancel culture, media bias, and corporate accountability. They argue that Kimmel’s refusal to apologize for spreading misinformation about the Charlie Kirk shooting reflects a broader issue of left-wing media impunity and declining network credibility. The hour also explores parenting strategies in the digital era, with Karol sharing her approach to internet safety, social media restrictions, and value-based communication with her children. She emphasizes the importance of open dialogue, monitoring online behavior, and instilling conservative values to counteract ideological influence from platforms like TikTok and Twitch. Buck and Karol further analyze the political polarization surrounding Charlie Kirk’s legacy, particularly the backlash from figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC). They critique AOC’s rhetoric as emblematic of leftist hypocrisy, emotional manipulation, and ignorance of conservative principles. Buck defends Kirk’s intellectual contributions and his commitment to free speech and civil discourse, contrasting it with the hostile environment conservative speakers face on college campuses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Just Buck Today Clay taking a day to do important
stuff up in Michigan. Our friend Carol Markowitz joins us now.
She is on the Clay and Buck podcast network with
The Carol Markowitz Show. Also, she teams up with Mary
Catherine ham On normally, and normally she would be making
jokes at Clay's expense about football and the Tennessee Titans.
(00:31):
But Carol, I must warn you in advance. They will
go over my head like a football pass meant for
a receiver that he cannot catch. I have no idea
what is going on, but if you say something, maybe
Clay is listening and so he'll catch it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, I think he knows what I'm going to say,
so I'll just keep it at that. But I actually
love that you're not super into sports. There's something very,
very charming about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I appreciate that, Thank you. My wife appreciates that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
On Sundays, like we just generally hang out and always
says to me, she goes, you know, you don't watch
sports all day, and I like that, So I feel
like I get some some bonus points from her on
that one.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, you know what, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'll take them where I can get them.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And turned it into a family day, so you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Know, yeah, that's a that's a good bit of do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Look, I used to watch football to be to be
totally clear on this, I used to watch football when
I lived at home with my dad and my brothers,
so I I watched in the early two I aesus
used to watch a lot of basketball with them, but
that was like family together, right, So that to me
is a fun way to do it. But for me
just watching alone because Carrie doesn't like watching sports on
(01:38):
TV and so it doesn't really have the same residence
for me. So anyway, play will be back. You can
talk football with him when he is very excited for
that one. Jimmy Kimmel, speaking of things, I don't watch
Jimmy Kimmel. Well, I guess nobody's watching right now. But
he's running to run into some trouble. What do you
make of all the hubbub around this, all all the hullabaloo.
(02:01):
People are upset. They're saying, oh my gosh, kay still culture,
you know, Brian Stelter is, you know, getting he's getting
a melt out about it, very sad. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I think that a lot of this is that conservatives
have been correctly feeling a lot of rage and sadness
since the Charlie Kirk assassination, and the left has been
kind of quiet because they know that it was a
leftist responsible and they know that, you know, their side
is continuing to behave in a very violent fashion and
(02:33):
nobody's stopping it and nobody's slowing it down. So they
finally found something that they could rally around, like, oh,
getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel is the greatest First Amendment
violation ever, when, of course it has nothing to do
with the First Amendment, and it's because he lied on
television and his bosses asked him to apologize and he
refused to. And that's what happened to any of us.
(02:55):
If we lied on our show and our bosses told
us to apologize and we didn't, we'd be out of
a show too.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I just to me, this is so straightforward, and yet
I the way people talk about this, and I understand
their motivations for it. I also think a big part
of it is they just they need to get their
own side to not be talking about their reaction to
Charlie Kirk's assassination anymore, because getting it's worse than every
day that passes and there's still some maniac saying something
(03:23):
horrible about Charlie's death. That shows what these people are
really like and what they really think. You know, the normies,
you know, you do that show normally, the normies are
not liking this, They're not liking what they're seeing. But
I also just feel like, what would the what would
the rules be, Carol? In a world where Jimmy Kimmel
gets his way? So does that mean he can just
(03:44):
say absolutely anything and he can't be fired? Like, I
don't understand what the outer limits are supposed to.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Be, right, absolutely, you know. In twenty twenty one, Brian Stelter,
when CNN was trying to go after Fox uses cable carriers,
he said, reducing a liar's reach is not the same
as censoring freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh we played that in the first hour just so
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Reach. Yeah, I mean that is a classic, a classic
Brian stelterism because obviously it didn't matter then, it didn't
matter at all. What the freedom of speech guidelines were.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The thing is that Jimmy Kimmel has for so many
years had that free reign. He's blamed Republicans for mass shootings,
and he didn't mean like Republican politicians. He specifically said
Republican voters. He has said so many vile and disgusting things,
and he's so deeply unfunny. But I think that his
ratings continue to decrease. I think that they just decided
(04:39):
now is a good time to get rid of him.
And if he refuses to apologize, refuses to kind of
talk to the audience that they're trying to reach, they
don't need him.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And yet if you saw Stephen Colbert, he says that
we are all Jimmy Kimmel, to which I just have
to say, no, only those two clowns.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, I don't feel like Jimmy kim li att all.
I definitely try to tell my audience the truth, and
I think that that's something that he specifically was not doing.
He was lying to his audience on purpose. He knew
that the shooter of Charlie Kirk wasn't a leftist by
the time that he said that it was I'm sorry
it was a leftist. By the time he said that
(05:24):
MAGA was trying to pretend that it wasn't a MAGA
person who shot Charlie, it was already days and days
into it when we all knew the reality of it.
He was spreading a conspiracy theory on his show. I'm
completely glad that he got in trouble for it, because
that's the right thing to do, and this idea that
the SEC was trying to, you know, get rid of him.
(05:44):
They warned the network, sure, because he lied, but other
than that, they didn't really do anything to move him
out of his job or do anything like that. That
was Disney, that was ABC. That that was them deciding
to make that call.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, And as i A noted on the show yesterday, Carol,
the Supreme Court made it very clear that unless you
can prove a direct like causal effect from the private
of the private company or private entity in result resulting
from the government pressure and a government action to cause.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It, they don't really care.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They're like, they're like, you know, if the government just says, hey,
we'd like you to do this, and you choose to
do it, and now, look, I'm not sure I agree
with that Supreme Court decision. I'm just saying that's the
law of the land. That's what they decided. So those
are the rules that we're operating under right now. We're
speaking to Carol Markets everybody. She of course does the
Caral Markets Show, which is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And you can listen to it on the Clay and
Buck podcast network.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And you know, I think Carol, as we're seeing this
continue to play out, there's been a big change in
the overall corporate response mechanism to what is you know,
would used to get what they used to be able
to get away with as as a part is in
Democrat on TV, and what I think is going to
(07:01):
be possible for them, at least in the foreseeable future
is different.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I think this is a good thing. I think
we should all celebrate this.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like anybody who sees a problem with this, I feel
like I've been fighting for this for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's been a major vibe shift since Trump
was reelected, and it's good. It's good for all of
us to be involved in culture. I can't remember the
last time that I watched network TV. Maybe something be
back at some point, Maybe something brings a lot of
conservatives back at some point, you know, the idea that
half the country is being alienated by what your host
(07:33):
is saying. That's a real problem for these networks. And
for so long they didn't care because you know, the
mission mattered more than anything else. But eventually at the
bottom line starts to matter, and there's more outlets, more podcasters,
more different you know, personalities go to YouTube and et
cetera and other places. They're going to have to fight
for audience share, and the way to do that is
not to insult and lie to your audience and have
(07:57):
half the country hate you. And the truth is that
Jimmy Kimmel has been this and Stephen Colbert very part
is deeply unfunny, nothing good about their delivery at all.
They're both just there to send a leftist message, and
it's one that has managed to reduce their audience side.
The networks just simply can't have that anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know, Carol, you're one of my Carol's a good
friend of mine. I think a lot of you listening
know that you've seen photos of us online and stuff.
You know, Carol's husband and my wife and we all
hang out and go to dinner, so we know each
other on a personal level, and you're one of my
parent gurus, right, Like, I'll ask you about parent stuff
because I think you are a totally devoted mom, and
it's true devoted. She's had to calm me down about
(08:41):
the whole babysitter thing where I'm like, I'm going to
trust somebody else, like I would do anything for my son,
but like I'm gonna trust somebody else to watch my
She's like, it's okay, it's okay. You know, it's a
good person, good referrals. You can leave the baby for
a couple of hours, so that's been very helpful. I
appreciate that I've gotten good at you know, the bottles
and the diaper chain all this, like you know my
my baby.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
My baby.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Dad skills are pretty solid. But I wanted to ask
you about this part of it because I think this
applies to a lot of the people listening online stuff
with kids these days.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, how you've got.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Two boys and a girl. You can tell everybody their ages.
I roughly know they're like young teens, right, but how
do you keep your kids?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'll say, like not just safe on the Internet from
you know, the bad people who are out there, but
I mean from the influences on the internet, like how
do you monitor? That's what's the game plan.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We have a lot of very open conversations about our
values and that kind of thing. That's huge tuss But
on a practical level, they're not allowed to be on
TikTok at all. I have fifteen, twelve, and nine, and
I would tell you that the nine year old is
actually most interested. He wants to be on TikTok. He
wants to see the videos and all of that. He's
also my girl crazy one, which is you know, I'm
(09:56):
gonna have to watch him real closely, so you know,
it really depends on the kids. My older two, I
would say, are more like super nerdy, and the stuff
that they're following and watching is I consider pretty safe. Nevertheless,
we do limit and if we find that they're not,
you know, following our rules, which we haven't found yet,
(10:17):
they would get cut off from all Internet usage. So
we don't play in our household. But I would say
that in open links communication, make sure that you're telling
your kids about the dangers. They're not all out of
chat with anybody in any game. I don't care if
even like, you know, a look behind you, somebody's coming
chatting aloud.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Which wait, do you Carol, you're breaking up. You're breaking
up a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But I just so if you can try to get
uh you know, get to a better spot, just to
the connection. But in the meantime, were you familiar with
this twitch thing? I had kind of heard about it before,
and and now I'm hearing that there's huge ecosystems of
young people online, like massive, hundreds of thousands of them
will watch people playing video games and talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I don't even know about this.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, so it is huge. I've heard about it before.
It is scary because obviously they could talk to anyone,
which is again you have to have rules. Be the parent,
parent your children and don't listen to what you know
anybody else is telling you, like, oh all the kids
do this, It's okay, everybody's on this. Nor your kids.
Your rules and keep those rules tight. My kids are
(11:24):
not talk not a lot of talking any strangers at
all online. You have to maintain that for your kids.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think that's a very I mean, that's a very
good place to start. What do you think about about
the smartphone, like when when do they get a do
you have sort of teared, you know, phone access for
when they get a full scale smartphone or you know,
because I think they have some that are like limited. Again,
I'm still in the bottles and diaper face, so this
is a little early for me. But for the people
listening with kids who are twelve or you know, eleven, like,
(11:53):
when how do.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You do that?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You really you have to judge the kids for themselves,
because again my fifteen and twelve year olds, like I
have trusted them with phones when they were like five
or six, but my nine year old has to be
monitored and you have to know your kid. So I
would say, do it from whatever age feels right to
you with your individual kid. So the other thing I'd
just add is a lot of times people talk to
(12:16):
me about losing their kids once they go to college.
To left his ideology, Tell your kids your values, tell them,
say the words, tell them what you want them to think,
tell them how you think. Explain to them what your
family believes in. There's nothing wrong with that. I think
a lot of people on the right don't think that
they should be kind of convincing their kids different opinions.
My opinions are the right ones. That's what I want
(12:38):
my kids to understand. I want them to take those
opinions and have them as their own.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, totally, I totally hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean people ask me, like you went to Amherstbuck
twenty years ago, like how did you come out?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Because I was like, I showed up. So I was like,
these people are all nuts. It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It wasn't some hard thing for me. I was like
my mom and dad taught me. Well, I looked around,
like these people are living in a fantasy land. So
Daryl Mark, what's everybody parenting guru and podcast host?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And when's the next normally episode?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Normally it comes out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Anywhere you
get your podcasts, Carol Mark, which show Wednesdays and Fridays.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
There you go go check it out, Carol. This great stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Carol.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Give Shy a big hug hug for me. Good to
see you or good.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
To talk to you. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
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I think I think this guy, Christy, our caller from Utah.
I think this guy wants to know of your signal.
That's one of the first times that's happened here.
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including shared interest in audio. But I don't think we've
(16:18):
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and Buck. We have some Oh boy, AOC. AOC has
(19:06):
decided she's going to weigh in on the legacy of
Charlie Kirk, and I was saying before that she thinks
she's going to run. I think she is going to run,
and she is a leftist. To be a real leftist
in America, you have to be somewhat delusional or entirely delusional.
(19:31):
You have to be ignorant of history. You have to
be hypocritical, you have to be childish in your view
of the world around you. You have to be emotionally driven.
There are preconditions to be a leftist in America today.
And that's why if I know that somebody is a leftist,
I can already know all these things about them, one
(19:54):
and the other. They always go together, the characteristics and
the political affiliation. And AOC is a perfect example of this.
And maybe she's the pinnacle of this in many ways.
But instead of grace, instead of oh, I don't know,
(20:16):
just basic respect, she when she speaks about the recently
assassinated Charlie Kirk, had this to say Play twenty one.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to
disenfranchise millions of Americans far from the working quote working
tirelessly to promote unity unquote asserted by the majority in
this resolution, it is equally important that Congress does unite
(20:48):
to reject the government's attempt to weaponize this moment into
an all out assault on free speech across the country,
all in the name of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So, yeah, the House and the Senate have approved a
resolution to honor Charlie Kirk, and this has gone to
a It's a ceremonial measure, something that Charlie clearly deserves,
and I'm glad that they're doing it. But Democrats are
standing against it. Although one hundred rankinfiled Democrats joined, so
(21:25):
there's that there are some Democrats that went along with it.
Three fifty eight on that one. AOC, it seems, has
a problem with it. Notice the words that she chooses
to use here as saying things like he is well,
first of all, uneducated and ignorant.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's one thing to disagree with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Charlie, put to suggest that he is uneducated on politics
is to announce the stupidity of the person making the claim.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He clearly no matter.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What you think of his uh positions, and obviously I
agree with this positions you. But I just mean, if
we're trying to look at this from an objective reality,
this is a guy who knew politics and history and
at a very impressive level. And that's coming from a
guy who also honestly knows those things at a pretty
high level. So I think I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He was very skilled, uh in those areas. And what's
even more.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Galling I think about this is AOC is not you know,
this is like a junior high school basketball player.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Saying that this guy who was in the NBA can't
shoot one. Is way out of depth on this.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Now. I understand AOC also very famous social media personality,
but she's talking about education level and she's talking about ignorance. Remember,
ignorance would be you don't know, you don't know the things.
It's not that you're choosing the wrong formulation or ignorance
is different than wisdom. Ignorance is you're just well, you're ignorant.
You don't even know what you don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
To say that.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Charlie is ignorant is the kind of criticism you could
only make about him if you knew nothing about him,
which maybe that's true of AOC. Or you're just a
brainless demagogue, which is definitely true of AOC. And then
she says to disenfranchise people, this is one of these words.
(23:33):
You know, whenever you hear that, you should remember this.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's not like Charlie was.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You know, she doesn't mean that just in the context
of like voting rights issues. But they try to hijack
the language of the great moral peak, if you will,
of the Democrat Party today is still supposed to be
the civil rights movie, even though that's totally rewritten. I know,
the Democrats of the Party of slavery and segregation and
Jim Crow, and you know, Eisenhower was the one who
(24:01):
actually moved first to do some of the biggest things
in civil rights, and he was a Republican. So but
just we'll forget it, but forget about that debate for
a second, because we could do that all We could
do that all day. She says, disenfranchised because it is
meant to evoke certain feelings of revulsion from the Democrats
(24:21):
listening and moral superiority.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
For he's disenfranchising people.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But even more than that, how and think about this,
She's claiming he's disenfranchising people when his primary vehicle for
reaching the public was inviting people onto a stage, onto
a platform with him for that exchange of ideas. In fact,
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what Charlie was doing was offering to enfranchise anybody who
was willing to come up to a microphone, and the
left killed him for it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But that is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Saying, let's have this disbate, let's have this debate, let's
have this discussion. He didn't call people names, he didn't
curse it them, he didn't none of that. Let's just
talk about this and let's see if the best ideas
can win. And you know, even if the best ideas
don't win, it's a good thing to have spent the
(25:24):
time to hear the other side.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That you learn pretty quickly in a marriage, and you know,
I mean, I've learned this too, is that it's not
always about who's right. In fact, a lot of the
time it's not really about who's right in a marriage.
It's about the willingness to hear each other out and
do so with respect, and the closeness and there and
(25:50):
the trust that that process brings. Right, I don't need
my wife and hopefully she doesn't need me to always
say you know, you're right, I'm right, who's right?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You know, it's not let's talk. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then that alone, if it's done the right way,
is helpful, and I mean, I think that there's some
truth to that in politics as well.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Not politics is not the same as a.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Marriage, but it's not always about getting the end results
you want. Just going through that process and respecting that
process can be a very positive thing. It creates trust,
It creates open lines of communication, It creates a sense
that we have a forum to address this and other
(26:39):
things as I of course that forum in the case
of Charlie was stolen from us by a psycho murderer,
but it was very powerful to have that. It was
very powerful to have a place where people could go
and be heard, and I think for a lot of them,
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and there weren't people that spoke out, even who disagreed
with Charlie, who were students and such, who said, you know,
I respected that he was willing to do that. You know,
it's it's been the case for a long time that
these campus speeches. I wanted to say this earlier, so
I'm going to just put a pin in what I
was about to say because we're running. I'm running out
of show and I have about three hours more show
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in my head to do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm not going to put it all on your plate today.
But why is it that if I asked any of
you to show me a in the last I would
go so far as to say, the last twenty years,
show me a left wing speaker who has been subjected
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to serious threats, violence and intimidation on the college campus
anywhere in America.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
None of us could come up with one off the
top of our hands. None of us could come up
with one.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And why is it that if even the most vile
and men are there's some vile left wingers out there,
the most vile, incendiary, you know, race baiting, communists, lunatic,
somebody that AOC would think is fantastic. By the way,
why is it that that person could go speak? Not
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only at any college, that person could go, not that
I don't think they would. It's one thing to platform somebody,
I want to be clear, and that's not always. You know,
you shouldn't invite you know, you shouldn't invite Osama bin
Laden to come speak at your university. He's dead, So
you get what I'm saying, right, I'm not saying disinvite anybody,
but I can tell you this, if there was somebody
who had very who was necessary for the conversation. Let's say, oh, here,
(28:48):
irre perfect example, an irreperfect example. If Katangie Brown Jackson
was invited to speak at Hillsdale College, why is it
that we all know and by the way, maybe she,
I mean she very well could be Supreme Court justice.
So that that's why I didn't want to say some
crazy left winger and somebody says, well, they would never
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be invited. Catanji Brown Jackson could be invited to speak
at at Hillsdale College and would know that she would
be treated, that she would be treated with respect, that
she would be able to speak, that they wouldn't try
to drown her out, That there wouldn't be people, you know,
dressed up outside and you know, animal costumes and banging
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drums and.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Doing all kinds of crazy stuff to create a you know,
that wouldn't happen. There would be respect offered.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now, Hillsdale's a conservative and traditional college. So I just
but that we all know that, you know it and
I know it. And yet, for example, I went to
Amherst and Justice Scalia. When I was there spoke. I
know this is a while ago, but it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Was a zoo. Oh my gosh, people in the political.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Science department boycotted it and the professor and everything and
oh and people were, you know, banging cow bells.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And it was a total just madness. This is not
a both sides thing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They embraced this because it's who they are fundamentally. This
is what the left, this is what the Democrat Party
has become. And that's why you run through these examples
in your head and you go hold.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
On a second.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
By the way, there are people that were dressed up
at that at that remember at the Scalia speech, who
were in duck costumes because the big scandal of the
day some remember, was that Scalia had gone duck hunting
with Dick Cheney at some some ranch or something somewhere,
and so that was a schedule they did just they
(30:45):
were both there. They both went duck hunting, and that
was a big scandal. So there was people in duck
costumes outside, like, but this is the.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Stuff that they do.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It is our cultures, the right and the left in
this country. The political cultures are different. And we need
to be very clear on this. Yes we know, but
we can't allow them to pretend that this is something
that we both have to work.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
On or No.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
No, we are the ones who do things with some
respect and civility and they simply do not. And that's
why when AOC is saying something like, Charlie Kirk is,
you know, ignorant and uneducated?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, like on what also?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I know some of you already thinking this, if there
would be such a thing as a mercy rule in
a debate, if we could have had Charlie and AOC
on a stage together, first of all, it would have
been amazing viewing. I mean I would have been there
with the popcorn and thing, and it would have been
an absolute butt kicking. And we all know that, and
(31:50):
I think AOC even knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So for him to.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Call Charlie for her rather to call Charlie ignorant and uneducated,
is is just so there's so much hutzpa there, there's
so much dishonesty there, and I just I just couldn't
let it, couldn't let it go. And she is going
to be the standard bearer for the Democrats, for a
(32:14):
big part of the Democrats going forward. This is what
we are going to be up again, So get ready
for it. A person who is who is very politically
savvy in her own way, in her own way, she
gets the branding, she gets the presentation. Yeah she's an airhead,
but doesn't mean she's not gonna be a problem. Look
(32:35):
at what she's already been able to accomplish. Yeah, she
doesn't understand reality and policy and history, but.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know who doesn't either. Maduro in Venezuela like that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Some of the people that there are there are there
are moro on thugs who run entire countries.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, there are you know, look at look at the
history of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Communism, just littered with people who should have been left
to what they were originally doing, which is usually you know, throwing,
you know, throwing bricks at people on the street. So
I'm just saying, get ready for it. I think the
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Speaker 1 (34:44):
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Speaker 1 (35:28):
Stuff going on. Jerrell in in Los Angeles. What's going on? Buck?
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I am a real life couch streamer and you didn't
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to tell you how it works. So basically, it's kind
of like YouTube, but live action. So I, as a streamer,
can have a channel where I go on live and
a lot of people play video games, but some people
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(35:54):
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There are people who even show their knitting. There are
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have left the chat option on. But it's not quite
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It's more of a present presentation where I am presenting
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Speaker 1 (36:32):
I like video games, what I like Twitch?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
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Speaker 1 (36:43):
Sure? Because you're closing up ahead? Nope, Nope, I don't sleep.
I tried on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Just Buck Today Clay taking a day to do important
stuff up in Michigan. Our friend Carol Markowitz joins us now.
She is on the Clay and Buck podcast network with
The Carol Markowitz Show. Also, she teams up with Mary
Catherine ham On normally, and normally she would be making
jokes at Clay's expense about football and the Tennessee Titans.
(00:31):
But Carol, I must warn you in advance. They will
go over my head like a football pass meant for
a receiver that he cannot catch. I have no idea
what is going on, but if you say something, maybe
Clay is listening and so he'll catch it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, I think he knows what I'm going to say,
so I'll just keep it at that. But I actually
love that you're not super into sports. There's something very,
very charming about that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I appreciate that, Thank you. My wife appreciates that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
On Sundays, like we just generally hang out and always
says to me, she goes, you know, you don't watch
sports all day, and I like that, So I feel
like I get some some bonus points from her on
that one.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, you know what, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'll take them where I can get them.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
And turned it into a family day, so you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Know, yeah, that's a that's a good bit of do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Look, I used to watch football to be to be
totally clear on this, I used to watch football when
I lived at home with my dad and my brothers,
so I I watched in the early two I aesus
used to watch a lot of basketball with them, but
that was like family together, right, So that to me
is a fun way to do it. But for me
just watching alone because Carrie doesn't like watching sports on
(01:38):
TV and so it doesn't really have the same residence
for me. So anyway, play will be back. You can
talk football with him when he is very excited for
that one. Jimmy Kimmel, speaking of things, I don't watch
Jimmy Kimmel. Well, I guess nobody's watching right now. But
he's running to run into some trouble. What do you
make of all the hubbub around this, all all the hullabaloo.
(02:01):
People are upset. They're saying, oh my gosh, kay still culture,
you know, Brian Stelter is, you know, getting he's getting
a melt out about it, very sad. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I think that a lot of this is that conservatives
have been correctly feeling a lot of rage and sadness
since the Charlie Kirk assassination, and the left has been
kind of quiet because they know that it was a
leftist responsible and they know that, you know, their side
is continuing to behave in a very violent fashion and
(02:33):
nobody's stopping it and nobody's slowing it down. So they
finally found something that they could rally around, like, oh,
getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel is the greatest First Amendment
violation ever, when, of course it has nothing to do
with the First Amendment, and it's because he lied on
television and his bosses asked him to apologize and he
refused to. And that's what happened to any of us.
(02:55):
If we lied on our show and our bosses told
us to apologize and we didn't, we'd be out of
a show too.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I just to me, this is so straightforward, and yet
I the way people talk about this, and I understand
their motivations for it. I also think a big part
of it is they just they need to get their
own side to not be talking about their reaction to
Charlie Kirk's assassination anymore, because getting it's worse than every
day that passes and there's still some maniac saying something
(03:23):
horrible about Charlie's death. That shows what these people are
really like and what they really think. You know, the normies,
you know, you do that show normally, the normies are
not liking this, They're not liking what they're seeing. But
I also just feel like, what would the what would
the rules be, Carol? In a world where Jimmy Kimmel
gets his way? So does that mean he can just
(03:44):
say absolutely anything and he can't be fired? Like, I
don't understand what the outer limits are supposed to.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Be, right, absolutely, you know. In twenty twenty one, Brian Stelter,
when CNN was trying to go after Fox uses cable carriers,
he said, reducing a liar's reach is not the same
as censoring freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh we played that in the first hour just so
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Reach. Yeah, I mean that is a classic, a classic
Brian stelterism because obviously it didn't matter then, it didn't
matter at all. What the freedom of speech guidelines were.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The thing is that Jimmy Kimmel has for so many
years had that free reign. He's blamed Republicans for mass shootings,
and he didn't mean like Republican politicians. He specifically said
Republican voters. He has said so many vile and disgusting things,
and he's so deeply unfunny. But I think that his
ratings continue to decrease. I think that they just decided
(04:39):
now is a good time to get rid of him.
And if he refuses to apologize, refuses to kind of
talk to the audience that they're trying to reach, they
don't need him.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And yet if you saw Stephen Colbert, he says that
we are all Jimmy Kimmel, to which I just have
to say, no, only those two clowns.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, I don't feel like Jimmy kim li att all.
I definitely try to tell my audience the truth, and
I think that that's something that he specifically was not doing.
He was lying to his audience on purpose. He knew
that the shooter of Charlie Kirk wasn't a leftist by
the time that he said that it was I'm sorry
it was a leftist. By the time he said that
(05:24):
MAGA was trying to pretend that it wasn't a MAGA
person who shot Charlie, it was already days and days
into it when we all knew the reality of it.
He was spreading a conspiracy theory on his show. I'm
completely glad that he got in trouble for it, because
that's the right thing to do, and this idea that
the SEC was trying to, you know, get rid of him.
(05:44):
They warned the network, sure, because he lied, but other
than that, they didn't really do anything to move him
out of his job or do anything like that. That
was Disney, that was ABC. That that was them deciding
to make that call.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, And as i A noted on the show yesterday, Carol,
the Supreme Court made it very clear that unless you
can prove a direct like causal effect from the private
of the private company or private entity in result resulting
from the government pressure and a government action to cause.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It, they don't really care.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They're like, they're like, you know, if the government just says, hey,
we'd like you to do this, and you choose to
do it, and now, look, I'm not sure I agree
with that Supreme Court decision. I'm just saying that's the
law of the land. That's what they decided. So those
are the rules that we're operating under right now. We're
speaking to Carol Markets everybody. She of course does the
Caral Markets Show, which is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And you can listen to it on the Clay and
Buck podcast network.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And you know, I think Carol, as we're seeing this
continue to play out, there's been a big change in
the overall corporate response mechanism to what is you know,
would used to get what they used to be able
to get away with as as a part is in
Democrat on TV, and what I think is going to
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be possible for them, at least in the foreseeable future
is different.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And I think this is a good thing. I think
we should all celebrate this.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Like anybody who sees a problem with this, I feel
like I've been fighting for this for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's been a major vibe shift since Trump
was reelected, and it's good. It's good for all of
us to be involved in culture. I can't remember the
last time that I watched network TV. Maybe something be
back at some point, Maybe something brings a lot of
conservatives back at some point, you know, the idea that
half the country is being alienated by what your host
(07:33):
is saying. That's a real problem for these networks. And
for so long they didn't care because you know, the
mission mattered more than anything else. But eventually at the
bottom line starts to matter, and there's more outlets, more podcasters,
more different you know, personalities go to YouTube and et
cetera and other places. They're going to have to fight
for audience share, and the way to do that is
not to insult and lie to your audience and have
(07:57):
half the country hate you. And the truth is that
Jimmy Kimmel has been this and Stephen Colbert very part
is deeply unfunny, nothing good about their delivery at all.
They're both just there to send a leftist message, and
it's one that has managed to reduce their audience side.
The networks just simply can't have that anymore.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know, Carol, you're one of my Carol's a good
friend of mine. I think a lot of you listening
know that you've seen photos of us online and stuff.
You know, Carol's husband and my wife and we all
hang out and go to dinner, so we know each
other on a personal level, and you're one of my
parent gurus, right, Like, I'll ask you about parent stuff
because I think you are a totally devoted mom, and
it's true devoted. She's had to calm me down about
(08:41):
the whole babysitter thing where I'm like, I'm going to
trust somebody else, like I would do anything for my son,
but like I'm gonna trust somebody else to watch my
She's like, it's okay, it's okay. You know, it's a
good person, good referrals. You can leave the baby for
a couple of hours, so that's been very helpful. I
appreciate that I've gotten good at you know, the bottles
and the diaper chain all this, like you know my
my baby.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
My baby.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Dad skills are pretty solid. But I wanted to ask
you about this part of it because I think this
applies to a lot of the people listening online stuff
with kids these days.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, how you've got.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Two boys and a girl. You can tell everybody their ages.
I roughly know they're like young teens, right, but how
do you keep your kids?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'll say, like not just safe on the Internet from
you know, the bad people who are out there, but
I mean from the influences on the internet, like how
do you monitor? That's what's the game plan.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We have a lot of very open conversations about our
values and that kind of thing. That's huge tuss But
on a practical level, they're not allowed to be on
TikTok at all. I have fifteen, twelve, and nine, and
I would tell you that the nine year old is
actually most interested. He wants to be on TikTok. He
wants to see the videos and all of that. He's
also my girl crazy one, which is you know, I'm
(09:56):
gonna have to watch him real closely, so you know,
it really depends on the kids. My older two, I
would say, are more like super nerdy, and the stuff
that they're following and watching is I consider pretty safe. Nevertheless,
we do limit and if we find that they're not,
you know, following our rules, which we haven't found yet,
(10:17):
they would get cut off from all Internet usage. So
we don't play in our household. But I would say
that in open links communication, make sure that you're telling
your kids about the dangers. They're not all out of
chat with anybody in any game. I don't care if
even like, you know, a look behind you, somebody's coming
chatting aloud.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Which wait, do you Carol, you're breaking up. You're breaking
up a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But I just so if you can try to get
uh you know, get to a better spot, just to
the connection. But in the meantime, were you familiar with
this twitch thing? I had kind of heard about it before,
and and now I'm hearing that there's huge ecosystems of
young people online, like massive, hundreds of thousands of them
will watch people playing video games and talk to each other.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I don't even know about this.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, so it is huge. I've heard about it before.
It is scary because obviously they could talk to anyone,
which is again you have to have rules. Be the parent,
parent your children and don't listen to what you know
anybody else is telling you, like, oh all the kids
do this, It's okay, everybody's on this. Nor your kids.
Your rules and keep those rules tight. My kids are
(11:24):
not talk not a lot of talking any strangers at
all online. You have to maintain that for your kids.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think that's a very I mean, that's a very
good place to start. What do you think about about
the smartphone, like when when do they get a do
you have sort of teared, you know, phone access for
when they get a full scale smartphone or you know,
because I think they have some that are like limited. Again,
I'm still in the bottles and diaper face, so this
is a little early for me. But for the people
listening with kids who are twelve or you know, eleven, like,
(11:53):
when how do.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You do that?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You really you have to judge the kids for themselves,
because again my fifteen and twelve year olds, like I
have trusted them with phones when they were like five
or six, but my nine year old has to be
monitored and you have to know your kid. So I
would say, do it from whatever age feels right to
you with your individual kid. So the other thing I'd
just add is a lot of times people talk to
(12:16):
me about losing their kids once they go to college.
To left his ideology, Tell your kids your values, tell them,
say the words, tell them what you want them to think,
tell them how you think. Explain to them what your
family believes in. There's nothing wrong with that. I think
a lot of people on the right don't think that
they should be kind of convincing their kids different opinions.
My opinions are the right ones. That's what I want
(12:38):
my kids to understand. I want them to take those
opinions and have them as their own.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, totally, I totally hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean people ask me, like you went to Amherstbuck
twenty years ago, like how did you come out?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Because I was like, I showed up. So I was like,
these people are all nuts. It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It wasn't some hard thing for me. I was like
my mom and dad taught me. Well, I looked around,
like these people are living in a fantasy land. So
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we've never done is matchmaking among the patriots in our audience.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
We have what do we have here?
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Yes, an email in from Well, I'll read you what
it says from Gary. I'm a retired psychiatrist. In the
late nineteen seventies, if you wanted to transition sexes, you
had to live as the opposite gender for two years
and have two years of psychotherapy before any medical professional
would give you hormones or consider any surgery. By twenty fifteen,
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who had simply gone to an endro endocrinologist and said
they wanted hormones and got them without any questions. Nothing
against Caitlyn Jenner, but that changed everything. Kids who were
probably only homosexual became convinced they needed a sex change.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I mean, you're the doc.
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But that tracks with everything that I've read and heard
about on this issue, which is that they have just
completely without any explanation or data to support any of this,
just because of the emotions of the left wing movement
on it. They have changed all the rules, they've changed
all the terminology, they've changed everything. And there's that famous
case of the or instance of the long time head
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of the Johns Hopkins Gender Transition Surgery Center, and he
had written, I think the Wall Street Journal in other places,
an older guy, and he had just said, look, the surgeries,
the long term outcomes, it's really long term outcomes are
really bad, and this is not a good thing.
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And he of course got death.
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decided she's going to weigh in on the legacy of
Charlie Kirk, and I was saying before that she thinks
she's going to run. I think she is going to run,
and she is a leftist. To be a real leftist
in America, you have to be somewhat delusional or entirely delusional.
(19:31):
You have to be ignorant of history. You have to
be hypocritical, you have to be childish in your view
of the world around you. You have to be emotionally driven.
There are preconditions to be a leftist in America today.
And that's why if I know that somebody is a leftist,
I can already know all these things about them, one
(19:54):
and the other. They always go together, the characteristics and
the political affiliation. And AOC is a perfect example of this.
And maybe she's the pinnacle of this in many ways.
But instead of grace, instead of oh, I don't know,
(20:16):
just basic respect, she when she speaks about the recently
assassinated Charlie Kirk, had this to say Play twenty one.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to
disenfranchise millions of Americans far from the working quote working
tirelessly to promote unity unquote asserted by the majority in
this resolution, it is equally important that Congress does unite
(20:48):
to reject the government's attempt to weaponize this moment into
an all out assault on free speech across the country,
all in the name of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So, yeah, the House and the Senate have approved a
resolution to honor Charlie Kirk, and this has gone to
a It's a ceremonial measure, something that Charlie clearly deserves,
and I'm glad that they're doing it. But Democrats are
standing against it. Although one hundred rankinfiled Democrats joined, so
(21:25):
there's that there are some Democrats that went along with it.
Three fifty eight on that one. AOC, it seems, has
a problem with it. Notice the words that she chooses
to use here as saying things like he is well,
first of all, uneducated and ignorant.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's one thing to disagree with.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Charlie, put to suggest that he is uneducated on politics
is to announce the stupidity of the person making the claim.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He clearly no matter.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What you think of his uh positions, and obviously I
agree with this positions you. But I just mean, if
we're trying to look at this from an objective reality,
this is a guy who knew politics and history and
at a very impressive level. And that's coming from a
guy who also honestly knows those things at a pretty
high level. So I think I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He was very skilled, uh in those areas. And what's
even more.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Galling I think about this is AOC is not you know,
this is like a junior high school basketball player.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Saying that this guy who was in the NBA can't
shoot one. Is way out of depth on this.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Now. I understand AOC also very famous social media personality,
but she's talking about education level and she's talking about ignorance. Remember,
ignorance would be you don't know, you don't know the things.
It's not that you're choosing the wrong formulation or ignorance
is different than wisdom. Ignorance is you're just well, you're ignorant.
You don't even know what you don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
To say that.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Charlie is ignorant is the kind of criticism you could
only make about him if you knew nothing about him,
which maybe that's true of AOC. Or you're just a
brainless demagogue, which is definitely true of AOC. And then
she says to disenfranchise people, this is one of these words.
(23:33):
You know, whenever you hear that, you should remember this.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's not like Charlie was.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
You know, she doesn't mean that just in the context
of like voting rights issues. But they try to hijack
the language of the great moral peak, if you will,
of the Democrat Party today is still supposed to be
the civil rights movie, even though that's totally rewritten. I know,
the Democrats of the Party of slavery and segregation and
Jim Crow, and you know, Eisenhower was the one who
(24:01):
actually moved first to do some of the biggest things
in civil rights, and he was a Republican. So but
just we'll forget it, but forget about that debate for
a second, because we could do that all We could
do that all day. She says, disenfranchised because it is
meant to evoke certain feelings of revulsion from the Democrats
(24:21):
listening and moral superiority.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
For he's disenfranchising people.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
But even more than that, how and think about this,
She's claiming he's disenfranchising people when his primary vehicle for
reaching the public was inviting people onto a stage, onto
a platform with him for that exchange of ideas. In fact,
(24:48):
what Charlie was doing was offering to enfranchise anybody who
was willing to come up to a microphone, and the
left killed him for it.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But that is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Saying, let's have this disbate, let's have this debate, let's
have this discussion. He didn't call people names, he didn't
curse it them, he didn't none of that. Let's just
talk about this and let's see if the best ideas
can win. And you know, even if the best ideas
don't win, it's a good thing to have spent the
(25:24):
time to hear the other side.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That you learn pretty quickly in a marriage, and you know,
I mean, I've learned this too, is that it's not
always about who's right. In fact, a lot of the
time it's not really about who's right in a marriage.
It's about the willingness to hear each other out and
do so with respect, and the closeness and there and
(25:50):
the trust that that process brings. Right, I don't need
my wife and hopefully she doesn't need me to always
say you know, you're right, I'm right, who's right?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You know, it's not let's talk. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then that alone, if it's done the right way,
is helpful, and I mean, I think that there's some
truth to that in politics as well.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Not politics is not the same as a.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Marriage, but it's not always about getting the end results
you want. Just going through that process and respecting that
process can be a very positive thing. It creates trust,
It creates open lines of communication, It creates a sense
that we have a forum to address this and other
(26:39):
things as I of course that forum in the case
of Charlie was stolen from us by a psycho murderer,
but it was very powerful to have that. It was
very powerful to have a place where people could go
and be heard, and I think for a lot of them,
(26:59):
and there weren't people that spoke out, even who disagreed
with Charlie, who were students and such, who said, you know,
I respected that he was willing to do that. You know,
it's it's been the case for a long time that
these campus speeches. I wanted to say this earlier, so
I'm going to just put a pin in what I
was about to say because we're running. I'm running out
of show and I have about three hours more show
(27:20):
in my head to do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm not going to put it all on your plate today.
But why is it that if I asked any of
you to show me a in the last I would
go so far as to say, the last twenty years,
show me a left wing speaker who has been subjected
(27:45):
to serious threats, violence and intimidation on the college campus
anywhere in America.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
None of us could come up with one off the
top of our hands. None of us could come up
with one.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
And why is it that if even the most vile
and men are there's some vile left wingers out there,
the most vile, incendiary, you know, race baiting, communists, lunatic,
somebody that AOC would think is fantastic. By the way,
why is it that that person could go speak? Not
(28:22):
only at any college, that person could go, not that
I don't think they would. It's one thing to platform somebody,
I want to be clear, and that's not always. You know,
you shouldn't invite you know, you shouldn't invite Osama bin
Laden to come speak at your university. He's dead, So
you get what I'm saying, right, I'm not saying disinvite anybody,
but I can tell you this, if there was somebody
who had very who was necessary for the conversation. Let's say, oh, here,
(28:48):
irre perfect example, an irreperfect example. If Katangie Brown Jackson
was invited to speak at Hillsdale College, why is it
that we all know and by the way, maybe she,
I mean she very well could be Supreme Court justice.
So that that's why I didn't want to say some
crazy left winger and somebody says, well, they would never
(29:09):
be invited. Catanji Brown Jackson could be invited to speak
at at Hillsdale College and would know that she would
be treated, that she would be treated with respect, that
she would be able to speak, that they wouldn't try
to drown her out, That there wouldn't be people, you know,
dressed up outside and you know, animal costumes and banging
(29:32):
drums and.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Doing all kinds of crazy stuff to create a you know,
that wouldn't happen. There would be respect offered.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Now, Hillsdale's a conservative and traditional college. So I just
but that we all know that, you know it and
I know it. And yet, for example, I went to
Amherst and Justice Scalia. When I was there spoke. I
know this is a while ago, but it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Was a zoo. Oh my gosh, people in the political.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Science department boycotted it and the professor and everything and
oh and people were, you know, banging cow bells.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And it was a total just madness. This is not
a both sides thing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They embraced this because it's who they are fundamentally. This
is what the left, this is what the Democrat Party
has become. And that's why you run through these examples
in your head and you go hold.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
On a second.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
By the way, there are people that were dressed up
at that at that remember at the Scalia speech, who
were in duck costumes because the big scandal of the
day some remember, was that Scalia had gone duck hunting
with Dick Cheney at some some ranch or something somewhere,
and so that was a schedule they did just they
(30:45):
were both there. They both went duck hunting, and that
was a big scandal. So there was people in duck
costumes outside, like, but this is the.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Stuff that they do.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It is our cultures, the right and the left in
this country. The political cultures are different. And we need
to be very clear on this. Yes we know, but
we can't allow them to pretend that this is something
that we both have to work.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
On or No.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
No, we are the ones who do things with some
respect and civility and they simply do not. And that's
why when AOC is saying something like, Charlie Kirk is,
you know, ignorant and uneducated?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, like on what also?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I know some of you already thinking this, if there
would be such a thing as a mercy rule in
a debate, if we could have had Charlie and AOC
on a stage together, first of all, it would have
been amazing viewing. I mean I would have been there
with the popcorn and thing, and it would have been
an absolute butt kicking. And we all know that, and
(31:50):
I think AOC even knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So for him to.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Call Charlie for her rather to call Charlie ignorant and uneducated,
is is just so there's so much hutzpa there, there's
so much dishonesty there, and I just I just couldn't
let it, couldn't let it go. And she is going
to be the standard bearer for the Democrats, for a
(32:14):
big part of the Democrats going forward. This is what
we are going to be up again, So get ready
for it. A person who is who is very politically
savvy in her own way, in her own way, she
gets the branding, she gets the presentation. Yeah she's an airhead,
but doesn't mean she's not gonna be a problem. Look
(32:35):
at what she's already been able to accomplish. Yeah, she
doesn't understand reality and policy and history, but.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know who doesn't either. Maduro in Venezuela like that.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Some of the people that there are there are there
are moro on thugs who run entire countries.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Okay, there are you know, look at look at the
history of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Communism, just littered with people who should have been left
to what they were originally doing, which is usually you know, throwing,
you know, throwing bricks at people on the street. So
I'm just saying, get ready for it. I think the
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