December 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show delivers a powerful mix of economic analysis, public safety concerns, and global security issues. The hour begins with a deep dive into the U.S. economy, highlighting President Donald Trump’s claims of historic tariff revenue and investment commitments totaling $18 trillion, contrasted with previous administrations. Clay and Buck discuss the national debt approaching $40 trillion, the deficit reduction of $600 billion compared to last year, and whether AI-driven growth could help America “grow its way out” of fiscal challenges. They stress that while Trump’s first year in office has been highly successful—border security improvements and crime reduction—the looming deficit remains a generational threat.
The conversation then pivots to the Brown University mass shooting, where two students were killed and nine injured during an exam session. The hosts criticize Brown’s strict gun-free zone policy, arguing that banning lawful concealed carry left students defenseless. They question the effectiveness of campus security, noting the university’s nearly $100,000 annual cost for tuition and board yet an inability to prevent or respond to the attack. A former law enforcement officer calls in to explain why campus police staffing and reactive policies make universities far less safe than advertised. Clay and Buck warn that elite campuses across America may be equally vulnerable, raising urgent questions about school safety, concealed carry laws, and law enforcement readiness.
The hour also revisits the Bondi Beach Hanukkah terror attack in Australia, where 15 Jewish worshippers were slaughtered by jihadists. Special guest Yael Eckstein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews joins to discuss the global surge in antisemitism, failures by governments to curb violent extremism, and the need for Christians and Jews to unite against this “global threat of darkness.” She details humanitarian efforts, including millions of meals distributed and security enhancements for Jewish institutions worldwide, emphasizing that individuals must take action rather than rely solely on politicians.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thank
you for being here with us. Everyone. Let's talk to
the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into
the swing of things here on the news front after
Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those
talkbacks later this hour. Keep them common, people, don't don't
let him. Don't let him stop digging just because the
(00:22):
hole keeps getting deeper and deeper. But let's get it.
Speaking of holes getting deeper and deeper, we're gonna be
at forty trillion dollars of debt before Trump's term is up.
That is, unfortunately the financial reality we face. However, however,
it is the holiday, it's the holiday time, and we'd
like to bring you some at least somewhat encouraging news
(00:43):
whenever we can about the economy. Here is, for example,
National Economic Council Director. He was on Face the Nation
saying this is Kevin Hassett saying that there will be
a six hundred billion there will be six hundred billion
dollars less in added to the deficit this year, or
(01:06):
rather in the deficit this year than last year. Play five.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We've got deficit going way way down. So right now
it's looking like the deficit for the sheeral B six
one hundred billion dollars lower than it was last year.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That really helps lower inflation.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We've got the trade deficit cut in half from last year,
and so all these things are things that should continue
to move us towards the FED target of two percent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So that means that we could see continued rate cuts.
That means that things are I think moving in the
right direction. It's a massive challenge the overall debt and
our cycle of overspending. But Trump is this administration is
taking action. And there's also the tariff's component of this.
(01:50):
This has got twenty two. Trump on Sunday was that
a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of
a victory lap here on what he says is is
the income from I assume clay this is tariffs as
well as commitments to invest because the tariff number is
not eighteen trillion, but tariffs slash investment commitments in the
(02:11):
US from countries like South Korea and others. It's cut
twenty two. Play it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Without the November fifth election, you would have had a
president that didn't have the courage to use tariffs the
way they should be used. And because of the tariffs,
we've taken in more than eighteen Think of this, eighteen
trillion dollars has never been.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Anything like it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
As an example, the previous administration, Sleepy Joe Biden took
in less than one trillion in four years. We took
in more than eighteen trillion in ten months. I'd say
that's pretty good, right, I'd say that's very good. And
if you go back, if you go back into history,
there's never been a country that's taken in more than
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three trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Clay, what do you make of it? Things to be
at least feeling optimistic about with this economy. The economy
is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
The deficits were screwed, and I just you and I
have talked about this a lot in the five years
that we've been on this show, nearly together. There is
no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists
when it comes to growing deficit. And I think Elon
(03:23):
may have said it best Buck when he just basically
threw up at his hands and said, we've got to
grow our way out of this and grow our way
out of This means that the economy has to grow
fast enough that we can start to reverse the tie
of these deficits, and Elon is actually optimistic that we're
(03:47):
going to be able to do it with AI fingers crossed.
But no one wants their benefits cut, no one wants
to pay higher taxes. We are in a society that
is aging, and so the idea that somehow we're going
to create surplus is going forward and pay it back.
(04:08):
I'm just incredibly skeptical that the dynamics will allow that
to be true.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And so.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think all of these challenges are coming together. I
said as we went to break, so let let's be
positive here as we come up on the end of
the first year. I think that two things can be
true simultaneously. Trump has had one of the most successful
years of a presidency that has ever existed in any
of our lives. I really do believe that. I think
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he deserves an A rating. He solved everything at the border.
Crime generally speaking, has come down, but we remain in
a situation where the bigger threat for generational issues is
the deficit that we have created. And one of the
challenges associated with the deficit buck is everybody has to
(04:59):
be greed to be pulling in the same direction. And
I actually think this ties in with some of the
challenges that we are seeing being brought to bear across
the country. Shooting at Brown University. We do not know
who the shooter was. If you watch the video, looks
to be someone clad a male, basically likely clad in
(05:23):
all black, walking away. The fact that they cannot catch
that person is a symptom of failure in policing in
my opinion, given all the security that exists on Brown's campus,
that this was allowed to occur and that someone could
open fire and get away like this is a failure
on all facets. What we just saw happen in Bondai,
(05:45):
I think is an evidence of the generational battle that
we are fighting for the future of Western civilization. When
you have people that are cultivated in some way, have
spent a generation or more living in Australia, and yet
they want to kill innocent Jews more than they want
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to take advantage of the abundance and opportunity that Western
freedoms bring to bear. Also, I think you look at, unfortunately,
the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle. They
were murdered by their son. All of these stories are
awful that happened over the weekend, probably the three biggest
stories that we've been talking about during the course of
(06:28):
today's show, and they all kind of tie into me,
Buck with the number one goal of any society has
to be to provide security to the people that live there,
because if there is not security, then all of the
other things can't follow. You can't have a functional economy
if people aren't safe to be able to live within
(06:50):
the structure of that country. And I think they represent
all of them on different levels, left wing failures. Frankly,
I think we're going to see these all interconnected. Still
remains to be seen what the motive is of the
Brown shooter, the Brown University shooter. We should mention I
was just in Birmingham, buck Ella Cook, one of the
(07:13):
victims that was killed by this shooter at Brown University,
was the vice president of the College Republicans. You know
a little bit about this because you were conservative and
you went to an East Coast school. There's hardly any
outspoken public college Republicans in general on many of these campuses.
(07:33):
Ella Cook seems to have been a unique voice for
good well liked by many people on campus and willing
to stand up for political opinions which are in a
substantial minority. And we remain to see whether there was
any sort of connection as to why these people were killed.
They were two dead kids. But I do think that
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all of this awfulness, coming as it does on the
precipice of the holiday season, I think you can go
and look at all of it and rooted in failure
to provide security for people who live in Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, let's look at some of the security failure there.
Brown University campus is a gun free zone. Brown is
very explicit that now some states ban any firearms on
public university campuses like state schools effectively, and then there's
private institutions that can make their own decisions depending on
(08:30):
the state Brown prohibits. Brown prohibits not only any firearm
carrying by any person clay, the prohibit paintball guns, slingshots,
knives with a blade longer than three inches, and any
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toy firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I
read that all out to you, because what exactly is
the point of that. Think about this for a moment.
Who is let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh,
I want to be clear. They also ban people who
have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one
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is allowed to carry except for law enforcement. Where was
law enforcement during the shooting? Not there? Were they even
able to apprehend the suspect. No, everyone on that campus
was left utterly defenseless by Brown University as a result
of you know, in the moment and building on that
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buck how many?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is something that I think if we had real
media they would dive into it. You and I both
spent a lot of time on campus campuses in speeches
and schooling and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown
would have hundreds of people that they employ in security
on that campus, Like that doesn't seem like a crazy
(09:58):
number to me? Does it seem like a crazy numbered year?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Probably not armed, probably mostly not armed, but with but
aren't but yes, okay, maybe not armed security, But the
number of security guards on that campus would be in
the hundreds. I would bet that they will. What value
is an unarmed security guard when you have an running
around shooting people?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
This is what I'm asking, Like, what are they actually
providing security for? If you can have someone go armed
into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people,
and they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Even stop him.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I mean, this is if I'm a parent, if I'm
a parent of a Brown University student, I'm looking around saying,
wait a minute, you charge. What does Brown cost? I
bet it's eighty or ninety thousand dollars a year when
you roll in room and board and everything else. Seventy
five certainly at least room and board, intuition and everything else.
(11:00):
The number one thing that you should be providing on
Brown is the same thing that I would say that
we should provide to every citizen. But if you're paying
all that money, you should have security on campus at
a minimum, to stop a guy from going shooting up
a building and walking off and getting away. It's been
forty eight hours now. I mean, the security on campus
could be helpful. What would be even more helpful is
if you had somebody on Brown campus who was concealed, caring,
(11:23):
who's a good guy, who the shooter wouldn't know about
and would have to take into account if he's going
to engage in something like this. All a gun free
zone on a college campus does is make sure that
there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian
being able to defend himself or herself and those around
that person from a determined murderer. Because the murderer, this
(11:48):
should be a shock to no one doesn't care about
violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all you're doing is
preventing people who remember, you can't even have it in
your car, Clay, you can't even have it in your
dorm room. It cannot even be excessed, nevermind like carrying
around with You can't even have possession of it anywhere
(12:08):
on Brown University's campus.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How in what universe does that make anyone safer? How
could anyone be safer as a result, that's safer from what?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, by the way, seventy two thousand dollars a year
Brown tuition, tuition and room and board now costs, according
to Google AI and our staff ninety five nine and
eighty four dollars a year. So you're talking about just
shy of one hundred thousand dollars a year intuition, room
and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually
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no one to provide security when a true bad guy
shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even
know who the heck he is. But now we know
that he was able to go into a campus building,
kill two, hospitalize nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of
the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever.
(13:07):
And to your point, we've talked about this off air.
If you go and look a lot of times when
these guys and gals go shoot up schools. It happened
at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently,
they actually go scout the places out, confirm that there
aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness
(13:30):
and their violence upon those locations. In other words, they've
actually done the research. And I bet this shooter will
have tubuck to know where they can go, and the
fact that they are unlikely to be confronted by.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Anybody, unfortunately, Clay, in the context of schools, you know
that if you don't see security, there's nobody who's going
to have a gun other than security. So this is
why conceal carrey is such a useful component of the
security equation because you know, it reminds me of my
my my brother. We used to go out together. We
(14:04):
would joke around, I mean he has he has a Pomeranian,
a little carrying case and he had like a SIG
three sixty five X in that Pomeranian carrying case with
three magazines at all times. Yeah, and he shoots even
more than he shoots all the time. So it's like
if you're a bad guy. Now, I understand that's just
one person, but there's a lot of that here in Florida.
There's a lot of that. People at your Christmas party.
(14:25):
You think had guns in that Christmas party, Well, that's
different because you can't conceal carry at a bar, and
we were at a bar. Okay, so but there was
if you want to know, there were there was armed
security there because of some of the personnel who attended.
So there were guns in that room, but only by
people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that situation.
(14:45):
At Dave Ruben's party, I think we said we went
there not trying to put him on blast. Here, good party.
A bunch of people had guns. Yeah, there are people
that there are people that had firearms. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And as a result, I frankly, I mean the world
that we live in right now, if I'm going to
be with people that have been targeted. I would rather
there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right,
and so I've said this every time a school gets
shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville,
Tennessee area.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Every school in.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
My county has an armed security guard there. I think
this should be standard everywhere. The fact that brown one
hundred thousand dollars a year nearly these kids parents are
paying for them to go to school there, the fact
that this could happen, it should be we may never
get this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know. I mean the evidence that they.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Seem to have right now. They arrested some random guy
at a hotel who had nothing to do with it.
That's not a sign that they have very good sense
for what's going on. Buck, and the tips so far
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joined by Yell Eckstein here at the bottom of the
next hour. We're going to talk more about the Bondai
Beach terror attack. Fifteen Jewish people slaughtered there. We've been
talking about it quite a lot during the course of
(17:42):
the program, so that is where we are going to
head next, and we look forward to hearing from her
the latest on that issue.
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coming to town. As long as you don't agree with
Clay that R and B is the worst form of music,
that's for sure. Crazy crazy takes flying around like Rudolph
himself here up in the sky today on the Clay
and Buck Show. You look like you look like you're
you're chomping at the bit to jump in on this one. Sir.
I'm trying to give you a an off ramp here.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I don't think No, I think, I think I'm one
hundred percent right on this, and uh, it's there's so
much darkness out in the world today. Why would we
add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has
been created in the last twenty five or so years
R and B music. So I just I refuse to
play that game and go down that dark hole of
(19:39):
despair by making it even darker and even more what
is the plural of despair? Even more despairrier, and even worse.
I think depressing would work there, buddy. I think the
depressing the well is that? Is that an actual direct
connection to despair though?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No, no, I was just trying to think they're synonym Yeah, okay,
Oh that's what I get for trying to help. Frank
in Kentucky he worked at law Enforce and wants to
weigh in on the news today. What's going on? Frank?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Hey, guys love the show. Hey, listen to put in
perspective where Klay can grab it. Brown's about the same
size as Vanderbilt. They have about eighty five police officer slots.
No police department is fully compliment right now because it's
hard to want people to be the police. So they
probably had seventy five officers on hired at the time.
(20:30):
Take the administration out, because you're always going to have them,
take the detectives out. Divide it three shifts days off.
They'd be lucky if they had ten guys working that day.
And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those
are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if
they had five on the street, it would be amazing.
And then think about the fact, do you think Brown
University is actually going to have the back of any
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cop that's doing proactive work. Heck no, so it's all reactive.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
This is all super good analysis because we were talking
for people who maybe didn't hear. This guy shoots up
the building, kills two students, wounds nine other people's, many
of those severe wounds, and just walks out of the
campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that
(21:19):
surprise you that he could do that? I like the
way that you're analyzing this. Or do you think you
mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here I'm in
a lum I mean to give me a size. It's
not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there.
We're not talking about an Ohio State sized campus where
there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of
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acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen
or do you think there's a lot of college campuses
where kids may think they're safe and parents may think
their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot
them up, and walk right off the campus and get
away with it. Because while you're talking about just the
Brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area
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police that I would think should also be able to respond,
right because it's in the middle of a city, so
it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus
environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, I worked in the city that has a university.
We were not the first call when things jumped off
on campus. So it does take a little bit of
time before your city police get involved or your state
or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe
as they lead people to believe. Because they see the
police as an unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't
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go out here stirring up stuff, don't be proactive, because
then we have to report the crime and we don't
want to report the crime, so if you don't go
find it, we don't have to report it, and we'll
get more students that come to our school. So it
absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as
people are led to believe.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean, this is all really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I think to walk through because when I was on campus,
they would always tell us, and I think you hear
it all the time, this is a very safe place.
A lot of campuses have like the big blue lights
that you hit where somebody could show up if you
feel uncomfortable, safeer eyed stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But I just never would have believed, would you, Buck?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in if you
had told me, hey, you can walk into an IVY
League campus with a gun. I think we just lost
Frank and shoot up a building and the guy can
walk off campus. I would have never believed that was
possible because that video is him just walking off campus
and we may never know who did it. I mean,
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that is utterly insane to me that that could happen.
But it makes me wonder how many other campuses are
equally as susceptible to an attack like this as Brown was,
and what safety have we been sold? Because I think
most people understand that it's almost impossible to stop the shooting.
(24:03):
There's a new video by the way that Fox News
is playing of the person they say an interest in
at Brown University. But I'm not saying that I'm stunned
that there could be a shooting on campus. I am
utterly stunned that someone could leave a campus like a
Brown University and just get away with it. I would
not have believed that was possible that you could shoot
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up a place and just walk off the off the facility.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, it depends on how many exits you. I mean,
you have to look at the specifics, the tactical realities
that you're dealing with. You would think that the police
response that I think would be fast enough where that
would be that would be hard. But Clay, you know,
people get away with a lot of things. I worked
the Times Square bombing as part of a pass force
of hundreds of people. Just to be clear, I was
(24:50):
one of, you know, a cast of thousands practically by
the Time Square bombing back in twenty ten. Faizel Shazad
and I read about this in my book manufacturing Delu.
I've never written about it before. You should go get
a copy of it on Amazon or wherever fine books
are sold. But I remember that case. The guy set
a truck a car bomb in Times Square on an
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absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday, and Clay he got to
the airport and got on the plane. Yeah, he was
heading back to Pakistan. He almost got So people do
get away when they you think, oh, it's Time Square,
all the cops and everything. They're like, no, if you
get a start, you never know. The shooter that would.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Be assassin of Trump at the West Palm Beach golf
Course he got.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Out in the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
The only reason they caught him was because a woman
in the parking lot where he had been set up
for hours, jotted down his license plate number as he
was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Clay, the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in. Yeah, we
did not catch him. He turned himself in. Yeah, so
you know this is this is the reality that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
One reason they did find the gun for the Charlie
Kirk assass and he abandoned it. According to reports on
the Utah Valley campus. There has there been any discussion
about the weapon that was used and whether it was
abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued
with that weapon afterwards. I haven't seen the specifics on
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that particular case. Some of you may know, but I
haven't seen that reported in the same in the same
way we were able to find that gun because he
had to abandon it. Now was a long rifle, so
it was harder to conceal. I think the shooting in Brown,
if I'm not mistaken, was a handgun. So the individual
in question here may well have just been able to
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put that gun inside of inside of his outfit and
continued on. But we may never catch him. And I
think that's a question that a lot of campus security
officials have to be asking in the wake of this.
Is it's one thing to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible,
I should say, stop a shooting from happening. That's very
difficult if someone is committed to it. But the idea
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that someone could do it, kill two people, wound nine,
and then just leave and they wouldn't be able to
stop it, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It is indeed, so I wonder I honestly was thinking
that they would have an update for his clay during
the quarter. Yeah, I thought they'll probably get them during
the show, and maybe they will lie when we're finished.
But you would think, I mean, the era that we're
in of cell phone tracking, cameras everywhere, a lot of surveillance,
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it should be a lot harder to get away with
crimes now that it has been previously. But it's still
situations like this still happened far too frequently where an
assailant in broad daylight in a crowded place is able
to kill a bunch of people and get away, which
which causes also a continuing risk of the public too.
It's it's not just the frustration of we haven't gotten
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this person. Maybe they're going to go try to shoot
somebody else. And that was certainly a member of the
Boston Marathon bombers. The manhunt for them, the huge concern
there was, well, they're not done. I mean, these guys
probably want to go out in a you know, in
a shootout of some kind or something. So and they
remember they got away after being at the Boston Marathon.
So it's a pretty common thing for the assailants to escape.
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But We don't know anything about this guy right now
who did the shooting on the Brown campus other than
the only thing that goes to motive at this point
is the the the vice president of the Republican Club
was one of those killed. That could be coincidental. To
be clear, it could be. It does seem that that
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would be quite a coincidence, but it could be. You know,
we don't know. That's the only data point we have
that starts to go toward any kind of a motive.
It could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just
guessing and surmising at this point. Clay, Yeah, Look, we
had some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen.
A lot of you went to great Christmas parties and
(29:11):
we had a grandpa throw a touchdown pass in the NFL.
Philip Rivers, forty four year old grandpa came out of
retirement and threw a touchdown pass. And Price Picks they
actually put up this was very funny. Buck.
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do
not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode Island shooting. They
have now released a second video. You can barely see
anything on this video too, so in addition to the
fact that there was no response at all, I think
(30:49):
if you are spending the money that these universities are
susposed supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video
that they now have released. This is the second video.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You could still see nothing.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
They have eight hundred cameras on campus. Now, maybe some
of these cameras are inoperable, and they're more for show
than they are for actual detection of crime or danger
on campus. But not only did this guy, presumably it's
a guy although we don't even really know, go into
campus and kill two people and shoot up a building
(31:27):
and have nine different people that he put in the hospital,
but he was able to walk all the way through
the campus, and they have virtually zero footage of him
at all in a way that could remotely help someone
catch this guy. I mean, I'm watching again all in black.
You can see very little about him. It's cold and
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it's difficult to see, y'all. Extein is with us now
right before we finished the program. We've talked to her
quite a lot, and I bet you like both Buck
and myself. Yeao, when you woke up and saw the
news about the shooting in Sydney, it's awful. But given
all the anti Semitism that had been occurring in Australia,
(32:11):
did it surprise you, unfortunately that this even happened.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Wow, Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad
to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I
lived through October seventh, and I've lived through thirty five
thousand rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts,
and so when I.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
See the terror attacks that are happening around.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
The world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising. And
the message that's very clear to me is that it's
not isolated to Australia or America, or Europe or Israel.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
We are in this together.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
It is a global threat, that of darkness that hates light.
And so when I saw it, the first thing that
I thought about was how Christians and Jews and those
who sanctify life we have to come together to do
whatever we can.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
To bring light in the world and not just rely.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
On the politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, well it's buck. Thank you for being with us.
If you could just speak to how has Australia been
when it comes to the handling of anti Semitism. I
just think there's a there's always a context here in
countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know,
there was there's obviously been anti semitism here in America,
specifically after the October seventh attacks and then on campuses,
(33:32):
people saw a lot of that, but there was a
huge pushback against that from Trump administration, from millions and
millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to
is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness
or is it allowed to fester perhaps more than it should.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, we've seen across Australia lots of not just rallies
that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel and
attack on Juwe, but we've seen politicians take part in that.
In Australia, they have not done a good job at
trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been growing over
the years. And that's when I realized that it's US.
(34:13):
It's the silenced majority.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
There are I would say, three hundred.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Million Christians around the world. You look at the Far East,
you look at Korea and China, you look at South America,
you look America, you look in Australia and across North America.
Jews and Christians today need to stand together, and when
we don't rely on the government to take the right stand,
we can make such a big difference. Just since October seventh,
(34:38):
the Fellowship have distributed six million meals to people who
needed it. We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel,
We've provided security to Jewish institutions around the.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
World, including in Australia where there are threats.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
And we've gone into Syria to provide medical conics and
food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria. And so I
think we have to start relying on the government and
we have to do whatever we can the little bit
each one of us can to go out and do
it in order to bring comfort and hope to each other.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Because is this the worst happy, Yeah, sorry to cut
you off. There, is this the worst that you've ever
seen when it comes to anti Semitism around the world.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Well, it took twenty minutes for the authorities to respond,
and it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked
one of the gunmen and took the gun out of
his hand that stabbed so many more people from being killed.
But yes, we've seen it though across the world. We've
seen it in Buenos Aires, we've seen it in America.
(35:41):
We've seen it. Synagogue is being shot up.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
So fifteen people killed and that number.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Is still going up. It's something. There are no words
to describe the pain of the global Jewish community and
all people who think.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Of my life.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
But it's going to get worse if we don't take
a stand against it, both politically and as individuals.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
There's no more. We don't have the luxury of staying
silent anymore. Just like we put our Christmas trees on
the public square and our hanakamnours on the public square,
we have to go to the public square and say we.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
Stand for life, we stand for freedom.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
We won't let this happen under our watch. And I'm
my brother's keeper.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yes, I am very well said.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
We appreciate all the work that you and the Fellowship
is doing of Christians and Jews around the world, particularly
as we move closer and closer to Christmas and Hanukkah
itself is already underway. We'll be talking more and more
about this, the latest on the brown shooter. Hopefully we'll
be able to catch the person who shot up the
university soon and more tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us
(36:48):
on Clay and Buck
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thank
you for being here with us. Everyone. Let's talk to
the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into
the swing of things here on the news front after
Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those
talkbacks later this hour. Keep them common, people, don't don't
let him. Don't let him stop digging just because the
(00:22):
hole keeps getting deeper and deeper. But let's get it.
Speaking of holes getting deeper and deeper, we're gonna be
at forty trillion dollars of debt before Trump's term is up.
That is, unfortunately the financial reality we face. However, however,
it is the holiday, it's the holiday time, and we'd
like to bring you some at least somewhat encouraging news
(00:43):
whenever we can about the economy. Here is, for example,
National Economic Council Director. He was on Face the Nation
saying this is Kevin Hassett saying that there will be
a six hundred billion there will be six hundred billion
dollars less in added to the deficit this year, or
(01:06):
rather in the deficit this year than last year. Play five.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We've got deficit going way way down. So right now
it's looking like the deficit for the sheeral B six
one hundred billion dollars lower than it was last year.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That really helps lower inflation.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We've got the trade deficit cut in half from last year,
and so all these things are things that should continue
to move us towards the FED target of two percent.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So that means that we could see continued rate cuts.
That means that things are I think moving in the
right direction. It's a massive challenge the overall debt and
our cycle of overspending. But Trump is this administration is
taking action. And there's also the tariff's component of this.
(01:50):
This has got twenty two. Trump on Sunday was that
a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of
a victory lap here on what he says is is
the income from I assume clay this is tariffs as
well as commitments to invest because the tariff number is
not eighteen trillion, but tariffs slash investment commitments in the
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US from countries like South Korea and others. It's cut
twenty two. Play it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Without the November fifth election, you would have had a
president that didn't have the courage to use tariffs the
way they should be used. And because of the tariffs,
we've taken in more than eighteen Think of this, eighteen
trillion dollars has never been.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Anything like it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
As an example, the previous administration, Sleepy Joe Biden took
in less than one trillion in four years. We took
in more than eighteen trillion in ten months. I'd say
that's pretty good, right, I'd say that's very good. And
if you go back, if you go back into history,
there's never been a country that's taken in more than
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three trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Clay, what do you make of it? Things to be
at least feeling optimistic about with this economy. The economy
is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
The deficits were screwed, and I just you and I
have talked about this a lot in the five years
that we've been on this show, nearly together. There is
no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists
when it comes to growing deficit. And I think Elon
(03:23):
may have said it best Buck when he just basically
threw up at his hands and said, we've got to
grow our way out of this and grow our way
out of This means that the economy has to grow
fast enough that we can start to reverse the tie
of these deficits, and Elon is actually optimistic that we're
(03:47):
going to be able to do it with AI fingers crossed.
But no one wants their benefits cut, no one wants
to pay higher taxes. We are in a society that
is aging, and so the idea that somehow we're going
to create surplus is going forward and pay it back.
(04:08):
I'm just incredibly skeptical that the dynamics will allow that
to be true.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And so.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think all of these challenges are coming together. I
said as we went to break, so let let's be
positive here as we come up on the end of
the first year. I think that two things can be
true simultaneously. Trump has had one of the most successful
years of a presidency that has ever existed in any
of our lives. I really do believe that. I think
(04:38):
he deserves an A rating. He solved everything at the border.
Crime generally speaking, has come down, but we remain in
a situation where the bigger threat for generational issues is
the deficit that we have created. And one of the
challenges associated with the deficit buck is everybody has to
(04:59):
be greed to be pulling in the same direction. And
I actually think this ties in with some of the
challenges that we are seeing being brought to bear across
the country. Shooting at Brown University. We do not know
who the shooter was. If you watch the video, looks
to be someone clad a male, basically likely clad in
(05:23):
all black, walking away. The fact that they cannot catch
that person is a symptom of failure in policing in
my opinion, given all the security that exists on Brown's campus,
that this was allowed to occur and that someone could
open fire and get away like this is a failure
on all facets. What we just saw happen in Bondai,
(05:45):
I think is an evidence of the generational battle that
we are fighting for the future of Western civilization. When
you have people that are cultivated in some way, have
spent a generation or more living in Australia, and yet
they want to kill innocent Jews more than they want
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to take advantage of the abundance and opportunity that Western
freedoms bring to bear. Also, I think you look at, unfortunately,
the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle. They
were murdered by their son. All of these stories are
awful that happened over the weekend, probably the three biggest
stories that we've been talking about during the course of
(06:28):
today's show, and they all kind of tie into me,
Buck with the number one goal of any society has
to be to provide security to the people that live there,
because if there is not security, then all of the
other things can't follow. You can't have a functional economy
if people aren't safe to be able to live within
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the structure of that country. And I think they represent
all of them on different levels, left wing failures. Frankly,
I think we're going to see these all interconnected. Still
remains to be seen what the motive is of the
Brown shooter, the Brown University shooter. We should mention I
was just in Birmingham, buck Ella Cook, one of the
(07:13):
victims that was killed by this shooter at Brown University,
was the vice president of the College Republicans. You know
a little bit about this because you were conservative and
you went to an East Coast school. There's hardly any
outspoken public college Republicans in general on many of these campuses.
(07:33):
Ella Cook seems to have been a unique voice for
good well liked by many people on campus and willing
to stand up for political opinions which are in a
substantial minority. And we remain to see whether there was
any sort of connection as to why these people were killed.
They were two dead kids. But I do think that
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all of this awfulness, coming as it does on the
precipice of the holiday season, I think you can go
and look at all of it and rooted in failure
to provide security for people who live in Western civilization.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Well, let's look at some of the security failure there.
Brown University campus is a gun free zone. Brown is
very explicit that now some states ban any firearms on
public university campuses like state schools effectively, and then there's
private institutions that can make their own decisions depending on
(08:30):
the state Brown prohibits. Brown prohibits not only any firearm
carrying by any person clay, the prohibit paintball guns, slingshots,
knives with a blade longer than three inches, and any
(08:51):
toy firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I
read that all out to you, because what exactly is
the point of that. Think about this for a moment.
Who is let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh,
I want to be clear. They also ban people who
have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one
(09:14):
is allowed to carry except for law enforcement. Where was
law enforcement during the shooting? Not there? Were they even
able to apprehend the suspect. No, everyone on that campus
was left utterly defenseless by Brown University as a result
of you know, in the moment and building on that
(09:36):
buck how many?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
This is something that I think if we had real
media they would dive into it. You and I both
spent a lot of time on campus campuses in speeches
and schooling and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown
would have hundreds of people that they employ in security
on that campus, Like that doesn't seem like a crazy
(09:58):
number to me? Does it seem like a crazy numbered year?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Probably not armed, probably mostly not armed, but with but
aren't but yes, okay, maybe not armed security, But the
number of security guards on that campus would be in
the hundreds. I would bet that they will. What value
is an unarmed security guard when you have an running
around shooting people?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
This is what I'm asking, Like, what are they actually
providing security for? If you can have someone go armed
into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people,
and they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Even stop him.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I mean, this is if I'm a parent, if I'm
a parent of a Brown University student, I'm looking around saying,
wait a minute, you charge. What does Brown cost? I
bet it's eighty or ninety thousand dollars a year when
you roll in room and board and everything else. Seventy
five certainly at least room and board, intuition and everything else.
(11:00):
The number one thing that you should be providing on
Brown is the same thing that I would say that
we should provide to every citizen. But if you're paying
all that money, you should have security on campus at
a minimum, to stop a guy from going shooting up
a building and walking off and getting away. It's been
forty eight hours now. I mean, the security on campus
could be helpful. What would be even more helpful is
if you had somebody on Brown campus who was concealed, caring,
(11:23):
who's a good guy, who the shooter wouldn't know about
and would have to take into account if he's going
to engage in something like this. All a gun free
zone on a college campus does is make sure that
there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian
being able to defend himself or herself and those around
that person from a determined murderer. Because the murderer, this
(11:48):
should be a shock to no one doesn't care about
violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all you're doing is
preventing people who remember, you can't even have it in
your car, Clay, you can't even have it in your
dorm room. It cannot even be excessed, nevermind like carrying
around with You can't even have possession of it anywhere
(12:08):
on Brown University's campus.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How in what universe does that make anyone safer? How
could anyone be safer as a result, that's safer from what?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, by the way, seventy two thousand dollars a year
Brown tuition, tuition and room and board now costs, according
to Google AI and our staff ninety five nine and
eighty four dollars a year. So you're talking about just
shy of one hundred thousand dollars a year intuition, room
and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually
(12:42):
no one to provide security when a true bad guy
shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even
know who the heck he is. But now we know
that he was able to go into a campus building,
kill two, hospitalize nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of
the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever.
(13:07):
And to your point, we've talked about this off air.
If you go and look a lot of times when
these guys and gals go shoot up schools. It happened
at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently,
they actually go scout the places out, confirm that there
aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness
(13:30):
and their violence upon those locations. In other words, they've
actually done the research. And I bet this shooter will
have tubuck to know where they can go, and the
fact that they are unlikely to be confronted by.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Anybody, unfortunately, Clay, in the context of schools, you know
that if you don't see security, there's nobody who's going
to have a gun other than security. So this is
why conceal carrey is such a useful component of the
security equation because you know, it reminds me of my
my my brother. We used to go out together. We
(14:04):
would joke around, I mean he has he has a Pomeranian,
a little carrying case and he had like a SIG
three sixty five X in that Pomeranian carrying case with
three magazines at all times. Yeah, and he shoots even
more than he shoots all the time. So it's like
if you're a bad guy. Now, I understand that's just
one person, but there's a lot of that here in Florida.
There's a lot of that. People at your Christmas party.
(14:25):
You think had guns in that Christmas party, Well, that's
different because you can't conceal carry at a bar, and
we were at a bar. Okay, so but there was
if you want to know, there were there was armed
security there because of some of the personnel who attended.
So there were guns in that room, but only by
people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that situation.
(14:45):
At Dave Ruben's party, I think we said we went
there not trying to put him on blast. Here, good party.
A bunch of people had guns. Yeah, there are people
that there are people that had firearms. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And as a result, I frankly, I mean the world
that we live in right now, if I'm going to
be with people that have been targeted. I would rather
there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right,
and so I've said this every time a school gets
shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville,
Tennessee area.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Every school in.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
My county has an armed security guard there. I think
this should be standard everywhere. The fact that brown one
hundred thousand dollars a year nearly these kids parents are
paying for them to go to school there, the fact
that this could happen, it should be we may never
get this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I don't know. I mean the evidence that they.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Seem to have right now. They arrested some random guy
at a hotel who had nothing to do with it.
That's not a sign that they have very good sense
for what's going on. Buck, and the tips so far
have not seemed very good either. I want to tell
you all about chalk and how much of a difference
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I had a couple of Christmas parties yesterday Long Days.
(16:01):
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get it gearing up for travel. We leave on Friday,
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in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going to be
joined by Yell Eckstein here at the bottom of the
next hour. We're going to talk more about the Bondai
Beach terror attack. Fifteen Jewish people slaughtered there. We've been
talking about it quite a lot during the course of
(17:42):
the program, so that is where we are going to
head next, and we look forward to hearing from her
the latest on that issue.
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coming to town. As long as you don't agree with
Clay that R and B is the worst form of music,
that's for sure. Crazy crazy takes flying around like Rudolph
himself here up in the sky today on the Clay
and Buck Show. You look like you look like you're
you're chomping at the bit to jump in on this one. Sir.
I'm trying to give you a an off ramp here.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I don't think No, I think, I think I'm one
hundred percent right on this, and uh, it's there's so
much darkness out in the world today. Why would we
add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has
been created in the last twenty five or so years
R and B music. So I just I refuse to
play that game and go down that dark hole of
(19:39):
despair by making it even darker and even more what
is the plural of despair? Even more despairrier, and even worse.
I think depressing would work there, buddy. I think the
depressing the well is that? Is that an actual direct
connection to despair though?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No, no, I was just trying to think they're synonym Yeah, okay,
Oh that's what I get for trying to help. Frank
in Kentucky he worked at law Enforce and wants to
weigh in on the news today. What's going on? Frank?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Hey, guys love the show. Hey, listen to put in
perspective where Klay can grab it. Brown's about the same
size as Vanderbilt. They have about eighty five police officer slots.
No police department is fully compliment right now because it's
hard to want people to be the police. So they
probably had seventy five officers on hired at the time.
(20:30):
Take the administration out, because you're always going to have them,
take the detectives out. Divide it three shifts days off.
They'd be lucky if they had ten guys working that day.
And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those
are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if
they had five on the street, it would be amazing.
And then think about the fact, do you think Brown
University is actually going to have the back of any
(20:52):
cop that's doing proactive work. Heck no, so it's all reactive.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
This is all super good analysis because we were talking
for people who maybe didn't hear. This guy shoots up
the building, kills two students, wounds nine other people's, many
of those severe wounds, and just walks out of the
campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that
(21:19):
surprise you that he could do that? I like the
way that you're analyzing this. Or do you think you
mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here I'm in
a lum I mean to give me a size. It's
not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there.
We're not talking about an Ohio State sized campus where
there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of
(21:41):
acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen
or do you think there's a lot of college campuses
where kids may think they're safe and parents may think
their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot
them up, and walk right off the campus and get
away with it. Because while you're talking about just the
Brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area
(22:01):
police that I would think should also be able to respond,
right because it's in the middle of a city, so
it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus
environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Yeah, I worked in the city that has a university.
We were not the first call when things jumped off
on campus. So it does take a little bit of
time before your city police get involved or your state
or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe
as they lead people to believe. Because they see the
police as an unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't
(22:41):
go out here stirring up stuff, don't be proactive, because
then we have to report the crime and we don't
want to report the crime, so if you don't go
find it, we don't have to report it, and we'll
get more students that come to our school. So it
absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as
people are led to believe.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean, this is all really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I think to walk through because when I was on campus,
they would always tell us, and I think you hear
it all the time, this is a very safe place.
A lot of campuses have like the big blue lights
that you hit where somebody could show up if you
feel uncomfortable, safeer eyed stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But I just never would have believed, would you, Buck?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in if you
had told me, hey, you can walk into an IVY
League campus with a gun. I think we just lost
Frank and shoot up a building and the guy can
walk off campus. I would have never believed that was
possible because that video is him just walking off campus
and we may never know who did it. I mean,
(23:43):
that is utterly insane to me that that could happen.
But it makes me wonder how many other campuses are
equally as susceptible to an attack like this as Brown was,
and what safety have we been sold? Because I think
most people understand that it's almost impossible to stop the shooting.
(24:03):
There's a new video by the way that Fox News
is playing of the person they say an interest in
at Brown University. But I'm not saying that I'm stunned
that there could be a shooting on campus. I am
utterly stunned that someone could leave a campus like a
Brown University and just get away with it. I would
not have believed that was possible that you could shoot
(24:24):
up a place and just walk off the off the facility.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, it depends on how many exits you. I mean,
you have to look at the specifics, the tactical realities
that you're dealing with. You would think that the police
response that I think would be fast enough where that
would be that would be hard. But Clay, you know,
people get away with a lot of things. I worked
the Times Square bombing as part of a pass force
of hundreds of people. Just to be clear, I was
(24:50):
one of, you know, a cast of thousands practically by
the Time Square bombing back in twenty ten. Faizel Shazad
and I read about this in my book manufacturing Delu.
I've never written about it before. You should go get
a copy of it on Amazon or wherever fine books
are sold. But I remember that case. The guy set
a truck a car bomb in Times Square on an
(25:11):
absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday, and Clay he got to
the airport and got on the plane. Yeah, he was
heading back to Pakistan. He almost got So people do
get away when they you think, oh, it's Time Square,
all the cops and everything. They're like, no, if you
get a start, you never know. The shooter that would.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Be assassin of Trump at the West Palm Beach golf
Course he got.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Out in the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
The only reason they caught him was because a woman
in the parking lot where he had been set up
for hours, jotted down his license plate number as he
was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Clay, the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in. Yeah, we
did not catch him. He turned himself in. Yeah, so
you know this is this is the reality that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
One reason they did find the gun for the Charlie
Kirk assass and he abandoned it. According to reports on
the Utah Valley campus. There has there been any discussion
about the weapon that was used and whether it was
abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued
with that weapon afterwards. I haven't seen the specifics on
(26:27):
that particular case. Some of you may know, but I
haven't seen that reported in the same in the same
way we were able to find that gun because he
had to abandon it. Now was a long rifle, so
it was harder to conceal. I think the shooting in Brown,
if I'm not mistaken, was a handgun. So the individual
in question here may well have just been able to
(26:49):
put that gun inside of inside of his outfit and
continued on. But we may never catch him. And I
think that's a question that a lot of campus security
officials have to be asking in the wake of this.
Is it's one thing to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible,
I should say, stop a shooting from happening. That's very
difficult if someone is committed to it. But the idea
(27:12):
that someone could do it, kill two people, wound nine,
and then just leave and they wouldn't be able to
stop it, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It is indeed, so I wonder I honestly was thinking
that they would have an update for his clay during
the quarter. Yeah, I thought they'll probably get them during
the show, and maybe they will lie when we're finished.
But you would think, I mean, the era that we're
in of cell phone tracking, cameras everywhere, a lot of surveillance,
(27:44):
it should be a lot harder to get away with
crimes now that it has been previously. But it's still
situations like this still happened far too frequently where an
assailant in broad daylight in a crowded place is able
to kill a bunch of people and get away, which
which causes also a continuing risk of the public too.
It's it's not just the frustration of we haven't gotten
(28:06):
this person. Maybe they're going to go try to shoot
somebody else. And that was certainly a member of the
Boston Marathon bombers. The manhunt for them, the huge concern
there was, well, they're not done. I mean, these guys
probably want to go out in a you know, in
a shootout of some kind or something. So and they
remember they got away after being at the Boston Marathon.
So it's a pretty common thing for the assailants to escape.
(28:29):
But We don't know anything about this guy right now
who did the shooting on the Brown campus other than
the only thing that goes to motive at this point
is the the the vice president of the Republican Club
was one of those killed. That could be coincidental. To
be clear, it could be. It does seem that that
(28:49):
would be quite a coincidence, but it could be. You know,
we don't know. That's the only data point we have
that starts to go toward any kind of a motive.
It could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just
guessing and surmising at this point. Clay, Yeah, Look, we
had some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen.
A lot of you went to great Christmas parties and
(29:11):
we had a grandpa throw a touchdown pass in the NFL.
Philip Rivers, forty four year old grandpa came out of
retirement and threw a touchdown pass. And Price Picks they
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Speaker 4 (29:26):
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do
not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode Island shooting. They
have now released a second video. You can barely see
anything on this video too, so in addition to the
fact that there was no response at all, I think
(30:49):
if you are spending the money that these universities are
susposed supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video
that they now have released. This is the second video.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You could still see nothing.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
They have eight hundred cameras on campus. Now, maybe some
of these cameras are inoperable, and they're more for show
than they are for actual detection of crime or danger
on campus. But not only did this guy, presumably it's
a guy although we don't even really know, go into
campus and kill two people and shoot up a building
(31:27):
and have nine different people that he put in the hospital,
but he was able to walk all the way through
the campus, and they have virtually zero footage of him
at all in a way that could remotely help someone
catch this guy. I mean, I'm watching again all in black.
You can see very little about him. It's cold and
(31:50):
it's difficult to see, y'all. Extein is with us now
right before we finished the program. We've talked to her
quite a lot, and I bet you like both Buck
and myself. Yeao, when you woke up and saw the
news about the shooting in Sydney, it's awful. But given
all the anti Semitism that had been occurring in Australia,
(32:11):
did it surprise you, unfortunately that this even happened.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Wow, Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad
to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I
lived through October seventh, and I've lived through thirty five
thousand rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts,
and so when I.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
See the terror attacks that are happening around.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
The world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising. And
the message that's very clear to me is that it's
not isolated to Australia or America, or Europe or Israel.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
We are in this together.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
It is a global threat, that of darkness that hates light.
And so when I saw it, the first thing that
I thought about was how Christians and Jews and those
who sanctify life we have to come together to do
whatever we can.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
To bring light in the world and not just rely.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
On the politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, well it's buck. Thank you for being with us.
If you could just speak to how has Australia been
when it comes to the handling of anti Semitism. I
just think there's a there's always a context here in
countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know,
there was there's obviously been anti semitism here in America,
specifically after the October seventh attacks and then on campuses,
(33:32):
people saw a lot of that, but there was a
huge pushback against that from Trump administration, from millions and
millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to
is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness
or is it allowed to fester perhaps more than it should.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Well, we've seen across Australia lots of not just rallies
that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel and
attack on Juwe, but we've seen politicians take part in that.
In Australia, they have not done a good job at
trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been growing over
the years. And that's when I realized that it's US.
(34:13):
It's the silenced majority.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
There are I would say, three hundred.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Million Christians around the world. You look at the Far East,
you look at Korea and China, you look at South America,
you look America, you look in Australia and across North America.
Jews and Christians today need to stand together, and when
we don't rely on the government to take the right stand,
we can make such a big difference. Just since October seventh,
(34:38):
the Fellowship have distributed six million meals to people who
needed it. We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel,
We've provided security to Jewish institutions around the.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
World, including in Australia where there are threats.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
And we've gone into Syria to provide medical conics and
food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria. And so I
think we have to start relying on the government and
we have to do whatever we can the little bit
each one of us can to go out and do
it in order to bring comfort and hope to each other.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Because is this the worst happy, Yeah, sorry to cut
you off. There, is this the worst that you've ever
seen when it comes to anti Semitism around the world.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Well, it took twenty minutes for the authorities to respond,
and it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked
one of the gunmen and took the gun out of
his hand that stabbed so many more people from being killed.
But yes, we've seen it though across the world. We've
seen it in Buenos Aires, we've seen it in America.
(35:41):
We've seen it. Synagogue is being shot up.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
So fifteen people killed and that number.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Is still going up. It's something. There are no words
to describe the pain of the global Jewish community and
all people who think.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Of my life.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
But it's going to get worse if we don't take
a stand against it, both politically and as individuals.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
There's no more. We don't have the luxury of staying
silent anymore. Just like we put our Christmas trees on
the public square and our hanakamnours on the public square,
we have to go to the public square and say we.
Speaker 8 (36:16):
Stand for life, we stand for freedom.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
We won't let this happen under our watch. And I'm
my brother's keeper.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yes, I am very well said.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
We appreciate all the work that you and the Fellowship
is doing of Christians and Jews around the world, particularly
as we move closer and closer to Christmas and Hanukkah
itself is already underway. We'll be talking more and more
about this, the latest on the brown shooter. Hopefully we'll
be able to catch the person who shot up the
university soon and more tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us
(36:48):
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