September 4, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a dynamic mix of cultural commentary, political insight, and engaging interviews, spotlighting the intersection of lifestyle, media, and conservative values. The hour kicks off with a lively conversation featuring Katie Miller, host of the newly launched Katie Miller Podcast and wife of Trump Senior advisor Stephen Miller. Katie discusses her mission to reshape cultural narratives by connecting with women through relatable, non-political conversations. She emphasizes the importance of winning the culture war by meeting people where they are—whether folding laundry or driving kids to school—and shares insights from interviews with figures like Vice President JD Vance, Senator Katie Britt, Airbnb co-founder Joe Gebbia, and boxing legend Mike Tyson.
The discussion explores the resurgence of traditional gender roles and cultural normalcy, citing the viral popularity of SEC sorority videos and the success of American Eagle’s Sydney Sweeney campaign. Katie and the hosts reflect on the societal shift toward embracing femininity, masculinity, and family values, with Katie advocating for earlier marriage and childbirth to combat declining birth rates and societal fragmentation.
The hour transitions into a fiery recap of RFK Jr.’s testimony before the Senate, where he criticized the Biden administration’s handling of public health and vaccine mandates. Dr. Nicole Sapphire joins the show to analyze the hearing, condemning the politicization of healthcare and calling for a return to data-driven, transparent public health policy. She highlights the erosion of trust in institutions like the CDC and HHS and urges a reevaluation of the childhood vaccine schedule, advocating for fewer shots and more nuanced messaging to combat vaccine hesitancy.
Dr. Sapphire also shares personal anecdotes, including her awkward first encounter with her now-husband, and promotes her podcast Wellness Unmasked, part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. The hosts wrap up the hour with humorous banter about bad dates, movie preferences—including The English Patient and Bloodsport—and Buck’s misadventures bathing his dog after a messy walk, adding a dose of comic relief to the show’s cultural and political depth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We got a couple of great guests coming for you
this hour. Tons of reactions pouring in. I bet Katie
Miller will have a good answer on this and we
will bring her in. She got a great new podcast,
wife of Steven Miller, Trump White House Official. She has
(00:22):
done a lot of different things, a lot of positive
things about her. One negative I would have to share
right off the top is that she is a Florida
Gator and she graduated from there back when Florida was
actually still good at football, see like a long time ago.
And we bring in now Katie Miller with that introduction. Katie,
I hope everything is going well. I've seen the podcast
(00:42):
the clips as well, and it seems to be going
very well there much better than Florida Gator football. But
right off the top here you and Katie Britt I
actually watched a decent amount of this, had a big
conversation about the We started off the show today talking
about culture and how culture you have to win in
(01:03):
culture in order to win in politics. And I love
what you're doing with the podcast because I think this
is a big part of that but you have seen
Sidney Sweeney stock of American Eagle at skyrocketing today they
put a pretty girl in jeans and said, go buy jeans.
You have seen and I wanted to lead with this
because you are a former Florida Gator sorority girl. So
was Katie Britt. You have seen these sorority videos. Just
(01:26):
take over TikTok, take over Instagram, take over Twitter. It
feels like cultural normalcy. Boys or boys, girls are girls,
football setting records, good sec schools are flooded with applications.
It feels like there's just a huge desperate demand for
the country to return to normal. Do you feel that?
Is that a part of what you're tapping into with
(01:48):
your show?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thanks the Claim Bucks for having me on today. It's
very exciting to do your show for the first time.
And I be remiss if I did not say go
Gators and very much an ouch that Florida football is
indeed fantastic. There is nothing like being in the swamp
on a Saturday cheering alongside ninety thousand fans for the
Gators to get a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Can I jump in really quick, Katie?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Just because so my wife is also a Gator and
She's also a follower listener of your podcast. By the way,
she has fabulous taste and everything audio husbands Colleges, What
year were you at UF?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
For years?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I was Pledge class twenty ten, University of Florida, Alpha Omicron, Hi,
Proud Panda.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Thank you guys. You guys might have overlapped. I know
it's a big place, but anyway, keep going. UF ladies
are the best.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Go ahead, we are one hundred percent the best. Still
remember my sorority cheers. But no, why I launched the
podcast is you're so right, is in order to change culture,
you have to talk to people where they are. And
we saw in the twenty twenty four election President Trump
talked to every podcaster out there. Right, they called it
the bro Election and having bros be bros again, Right,
(03:03):
guys be guys, women be women. But there is no
female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability, what's going
on in the lives of women that's not political, and
that isn't just politics all day long. And so in
order for us to change culture, we have to talk
to women where they are. You know, what are you
listening to when you're washing dishes? When you're folding laundry,
(03:25):
when you're doing a craft with your kids. I didn't
think there was anything out there for me, so I thought,
why not do it myself.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So you've had conversations already, Katie, with Vice President jd Vance,
Senator Katie Brad. I mean, clearly you're getting some very
big names to sit down with you. What are some
of the topics. I mean you've mentioned them in broadstroke,
but some of the specific, more specific issues that you
think conservative women want discussed more, want more attention, whether
(03:53):
it's in the podcast universe or just in the broader
media ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I just think a women's issue is not just and
I hate to be like crewe do I say this.
It's not just our period and sex and those type
of issues, right. A women's issue is just how a
woman talks about issues. And I hate being bucketed into
just saying my brain can only handle what is quote
unquote a women's issue, because I think it does a
disservice to all smart women out there and women who
have a brain, which is one hundred percent of us,
(04:19):
though some may not use it as well as others.
And so what issues do we talk about? You know,
you mentioned Katie Britt, you mentioned JD Vance, and with
two political guests, we did everything except politics, right What
does JD make for breakfast in the morning, What time
does he get home, is he putting his kids to bed?
What's his favorite condiment? You know, the really important issues
you want to know from your vice president. And so
(04:43):
you know, next this episode we just released Monday night
at six o'clock, was with Joe Geba, the co founder
of Airbnb. How did he start Airbnb? You know, we
asked him important questions like what's this dumbest thing he's
ever spent money on? If you had all the money
in the world, what's the craziest thing you've spent it on?
You know, what's life like as a billionaire that you
know only I think it's twenty eight hundred people in
(05:05):
the whole world get to experience that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Which you know, people don't ever ask those questions because
they're probably inappropriate, but I've somehow lost a filter over
years of working for President Trump. And then there's also
you know, questions like next week we have on Mike Tyson,
which is you know, really fun for your audience, but
I asked him about everything except boxing, and so what
(05:28):
did we talk about? We talked about what did he
do when he works out? Which day is leg day,
which day is arm day? Which guess what? He works
out every part of his body every day. Apparently he's
in his gym most hours of the day. We talked
about which would be really fun? What was it like
living next to Wayne Noton? And they have two different
types of animals, one as horses and one as tigers,
(05:49):
and lets you know how that works out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
On the podcast, we somehow got onto a conversation because
Buck was watching with his wife Carrie the movie The
English Patient, and I mentioned that in nineteen ninety six,
when that movie came out, I went on a date
with a girl that I liked at the time, The
English Patient, which is closer to going on a date
(06:11):
to watch Schindler's List than it is to go watch
The New Happy Gilmore, What is the worst date that
you've ever been on? And do you remember like part
of way through it, like thinking I've got to get
a girlfriend to call me to get out of this.
Have you ever had a situation where you were like
this is absolute misery? How do I get out of this.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I've had one I can recall, and it was actually
and I was at Florida a friend of mine. We
had gone on a double date to Oh my gosh,
it was a steakhouse in Tampa. So we were in
a car with these guys for like an hour and
a half. We're at the restaurant. We're both like, we
got a run, but we're an hour and a half
away from home, and so we ended up. This is
like pre uber, right, so you're like, how do you
(06:51):
get from Tampa back to Gainesville. We ended up staying
in a hotel for the night and renting a car
the next day.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But that was probably that's how bad the day was.
You refuse to get in a card to drive back
to Gainesville with them.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, we ended up staying the night in Tampa at
a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly,
because those are the nights you remember. I don't remember
why we went on this double date. I don't remember
who the double date was with. If I couldn't even
recall like what their faces looked like, I just knew
this was like not the vibe.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
All right, Wait, hold on, so we're talking to Katie
Miller here of the Katie Miller Podcast, which was just launched,
And Katie, we can't let you go, we can't let
you bypass. Do you agree with me that The English
Patient is a wildly overrated movie or are you on
team Peterman from Seinfeld that it's so good? If anyone
doesn't like it, they should be fired.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I've never seen it, guys.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
See, I hadn't seen it till this weekend, so that's
why we were talking about it. Whichever, I feel like
I thought everyone Katie had seen it. I thought everybody knew.
So that's you and Steve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'll tell you a really good a good one here,
some breaking news for you. So I asked Mike Tyson
would he rather watch The Notebook every day, every every
Friday for the rest of his life or never watched
sports again? And he said The Notebook is his ultimate
favorite movie. So I come home, Steven and I are
talking about this, right We're like and He's like, I've
(08:13):
never seen The Notebook. So to me, if you're saying
The English Patient is one of these that like everyone's
got to see, is they're like ultimate date night movie.
I thought The Notebook was that for sure, and Steven's
never seen it, So.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, well, I've never seen a book. Have you seen
the Notebook Book?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Clay? I was a single guy going on Dan. Of
course I got I got dragged to the Notebook. Every guy,
every guy who has ever been seening when it came out,
saw the Notebook. But Katie, do you I mean, I
know you know this because your husband. We're both Steven
Miller fans here and uh, you know, back in the
back in the OG days, back in the first administration.
And do you realize that his favorite movie is also
(08:48):
probably the favorite movie of my two brothers and me,
which is Blood Sport with Jean Claude van dam which
we can quote every single line from this movie. Stephen
said on the show that he believes that is the
best movie ever made.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I agree. Steven loves movies, he really, I guess I
agree with that because we watched that. All the time.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You have watched you've been forced to watch Bloodsport. Let
me ask you this so many times, guys, it's so Clay,
I can do every line from that movie. You start
talking to me in Bloodsport, I can respond in Bloodsport.
It's like its own language. You worked with Elon. You're
talking about all of these different guests that you have.
I imagine at some point Elon will be on but leaving
(09:32):
aside obviously like trying to put people on Mars and
and all the success with the different companies. What surprised
you about Elon as a person? Like you said Mike Tyson,
you didn't expect him to like the notebook surprise. What
do you think would surprise people about Elon That doesn't
have to do with the brilliant entrepreneurial aspect based on
(09:54):
your experience with him.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To me, the most surprising part about Elon was is
how much he truly cares about his employees. And I
don't just mean that they're excellent and succeeding for him
in business. I mean how much he cares about their livelihoods,
their personal lives, and their general well being. You know,
you talk about Mars, and I believe everyone who's listening,
(10:18):
including both of you, should go to Star Based, Texas
if you haven't. It is an unbelievable town where they've
built just for the employees of SpaceX. But they have
flights that go to and from LA every week, so
that employees who live in Texas, can get to a
metropolis whenever they want to an urban city and get
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to their friends and family, and it's paid for by
the company and they can bring their family with them.
They built unbelievable houses and a pool and bars and
restaurants and a gym, and it is truly this like
little oasis on a strip of sand in Texas that's
meant to make his employees' lives better, with a doctor,
with medical care, with like a little convene in store.
(11:01):
That's all for his employees. And I believe you don't
do that and build something like that unless you really
want people who work for you to be extremely happy.
And everyone who works for him feels that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Similarly, Katie, I know you're talking again to the larger
culture here, and I bet you now think about this.
I think you have three kids. Buck's got one, I've
got three.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I have a four to three and two year old.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But yeah, I mean that is yes, so you have
you're in the weeds in a big way. Buck has
got an under one, and my boys are getting older seventeen, fourteen,
and ten. But I now think a lot about the
fact that and I know this is something that Elon
has been tweeting about I bet you think about it
some too. The population is collapsing. It feels like men
are often unhappy with women and women are often unhappy
(11:50):
with men. How do we get back the sexes to
being somewhat happy?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I understand there's jokes and relationships and everything else, but
when there aren't kids being produced, when there aren't a
lot of babies, society is legitimately being threatened. I worry
about this quite a lot. Do you think about it
at all? What advice would you have out there for
the single people time today?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah? Okay, good one of my most thought about topics.
If it was up to Stephen, we'd have probably a
dozen children. Though I don't know if your wife feels similarly,
but being pregnant is not my thing. However, you know,
still more kids to come in the Miller households. But
I would tell you this is that I think the
one of the worst things that happened to our country
was when sixteen Are Pregnant. That show an MTV that
(12:34):
we all credit with stopping you know, teen birth rates
is the one that started collapsing. You know, younger kids
having kids. You know, you saw with Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelsey, is that them getting engaged is a culmination
of their adulthood instead of the beginning we should be
having marriage. We should be getting married and having babies
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at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end,
because women were meant to have kids in younger years.
And I'll say this is I'm thirty three, and I
understand that every year I get older makes it harder
for me to have a kid. I'm not, you know,
immune to that fact. But we aren't encouraging women to
have kids younger. We are having encouraging and we're having
a society that is encouraging childbirth at older years. Right,
(13:18):
Why is it at hospitals in DC that they're old
that their first time moms are thirty nine years old.
That's a geriatric pregnancy. We shouldn't be doing that. It's
not healthy for the mother, it's not healthy for the child.
We should be encouraging younger rates. And I think that
goes to I see a lot of this is that
women feel that they're better than the men, and they
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must have the same equal degree as the man, and
then therefore it they don't feel less than we need
to be telling. And I also think one other point
on this is that when women were told to go
to the workplace and that that should have the same
job as a man, that did not glamorize going to
an office because I believe a woman's best job and
her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired
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to do, is raise children. Does that mean that should
be the only thing you do. No, but we should
not be in a society where women feel like they
have to go to work and raising their kids isn't
their first available option. Because I think when you're telling
a woman that they should feel that they should to
be equal to a man they have to go to
an office, that's when we're losing a society.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Katie Nailer podcast Everybody, Yeah, oh yeah, No the spot
on and a great way for all of you to
hear more of this analysis is to go subscribe to
Katie's podcast. Katie, tell Steven that we send a high
five and congrats on the podcast all the success you're
having so far, and come back after you've watched the
English Patient let us know what you think.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Thanks guys, and you can find the Katie Miller podcast
everywhere you find a podcast like, subscribe and.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Follow awesomely go check it out. Good luck to the Gators.
Not too good luck though, And I appreciate appreciate Katie.
I do think, and we'll come back and we'll have
some more conversations about this culture. Culture culture. You have
to win the culture wars. And I love what she's
trying to do with this podcast again, watching the clips,
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Speaker 3 (16:48):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck uh some feisty moments
on Capitol Hill today as RFK Junior was giving testimony
in front of the Senate. We've got a few of
those most interesting exchanges to play for you, but first
let's start with this one.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Play it as you're saying, the Biden administration politicize all
the day, go back.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
To campwell run, Surgeon General.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
They fired doctor Grunt, they fired all the people who
questioned the orthodoxy. They fired doctor Grouper, doctor Kelsi, Secretary
of Health.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I liked it. He's getting after it their clay because
they're trying to say, oh, during COVID there was no
politicization or whatever it was. That's insane. He can't let
them get away with that. He cannot let that rewriting
of history happen. Here's something well said by JD. Vance
and I'll hit quickly. When I see all these senators
trying to lecture. Gotcha, Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
All I can think is you support off label, untested,
irreversible hormone therapies for kids, mutilating our kids and enriching
big Pharmer. You're full of blank and everyone knows it. JD.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Vane.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
There you go, all right, Look, President Trump wants to
see our country as the leader in AI. I mean,
this is a big deal, and the race to be
ahead of AI is as competitive as the race to
put a man in the moon. Back in the sixties,
we let on the AI front than Biden took office
and we lost a few steps to China, India, Russia.
But President Trump sees that this is a crucial technology
(18:18):
and he's his administration is prepairing and estimated trillion dollars
plus investment, drawing in multiple partners. It's what I call
Manhattan Project too, to take back our lead in the
AI arms race and potentially engage a handful of US
companies with billions in new contracts. It could trigger an
investment boom as soon as October fifteenth. I break it
all down in a brand new interview, including the companies
(18:39):
that I believe could soar when this comes about. Find
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This presentation is off Air twenty five dot com paid
for by Paradigm Press.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
We welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through
the edition of the program. We bring in our friend
doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
You can also see your regularly on Fox News. She
does fantastic work across the media spectrum. And doctor Sapphire,
we will start with the fireworks that have just come
(19:18):
as Senator, sorry, Senator as Robert Kennedy was testifying in
front of many different senators out there about what exactly
is going on as it pertains to rules on COVID
shots and rules on vaccines in general and science and
everything else. What did you take away from that testimony
(19:42):
and how would you assess what is going on right
now from a health care perspective.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah,
I'll tell you I try to live stream as much
as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as
I could. I'm in the hospital myself, clean patients. But
you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There were
name calling, there were yelling, there's eye rolling. I mean,
people were frustrated. But here's what I find as a
(20:09):
lay person but also someone in the medical community, what
I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people
just trying to get talking points out for media headlines.
This was not a conversation. This is not for the
greater good of America. What happens in these committee hearings,
and that is what I find the most frustrating. I
(20:29):
think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made
some really strong points. I think some of the senators
made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that
there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all.
And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in,
you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very
fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized
(20:51):
public health, we have politicized it. And I was all
I'm looking for is what are we going to do
to bring the country together, to try and get politics
out of public health out of our healthcare system as
best we can. I mean, you never will be able
to completely, but the best we can. And how are
we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some
of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to
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unifying the nation as we were four years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, I want to have you react here to an exchange,
Doctor Sapphire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's about forty seconds long.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This has cut eighteen hit it.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets
about anything you've done or plans to change it. And
my last comment is I hope that you will tell
the American people how many preventable child deaths are an
acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is
fundamentally cruel and defies common sense.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Senaty, You've said in that chair for how long twenty
twenty five years, while the chronic disease and our children
went up to seventy six percent, and you said you
never asked the question why why is this happening today
for the first time in twenty years, to learn that
infant mortality has increased in our country. It is not
because I came in here, is because of what happened
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during the Biden administration that we're going to end.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
How much, doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these
Democrat senators showed toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK
Junior and they don't like what he has stood for
in the past, or just because he happened to be
Trump's HHS guy.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, so that's a great question. And first of all,
that was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my
opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and
He's like, it turned to crap under you guys, you've
been in office for decades, sitting on this committee, and
this is the first time we're having these conversations about
making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather
(22:51):
cheeky but also very poignant. You know, Senator Widen came
out saying that he is going to be releasing a
report today. He asked to put it in evidence that
supposedly will show the damage to healthcare of the American
people done under OURFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption, and higher
health care costs. And yet he said these things, but
(23:12):
we did not see that report or the data. So again, Widen,
I thought, was trying to get some of those talking
points at the end of the day, And this is
something I've said now, you know for the last several
weeks that I get some criticism on is that we
already know Trump derangement syndrome is real. I mean, one
of these days it'll be a diagnosable condition. That is,
a medical doctor, I can code it and it'll be
(23:34):
a true diagnosis. But the RFK derangement syndrome is real
as well, and so for me, maybe he is not
the perfect messenger to be out in front of the
camera talking about the work that they're doing behind the scenes.
He is bringing a ton of insight and a ton
of innovation and a whole new thought process to the HHS.
They're finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness.
(23:56):
They're trying to make a systems more efficient.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Are all great.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Things, but the moment he steps in front of the
camera or gets behind the microphone, half of the country
is turning it off, just like they always do with
President Trump. And so when it comes to public health,
it would be great for me if there was another
spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message, because
as you see, if you look at social media right now,
people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy. They're making
(24:22):
fun the fact that he was breathing heavily into the microphone,
forget the fact that he has a neurological condition, and
what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate by making fun
of someone, but they don't like him, and that's the
bottom line.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Doctor Stapfire. I think the biggest issue that we face
as a country as it pertains to public health is
in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included, have
lost all faith in public health so called experts. To
give us the best possible advice, what would your advice
be to try to cure what I believe is the
(24:59):
biggest issue in America today, which is just lack of
trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not
going to be a one size fits all answer to that.
But part of that is going to be getting people
that are well respected on both sides of the aisle
into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when
we like Right now, what we're dealing with right now,
and you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC.
(25:32):
We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only
are parents questioning the COVID vaccines, because the CBC doubled
down on the mandates long after science changed the reality
is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really
questioning public health in general, and so we have to
take a big step back and what was settled science
(25:53):
for the last several decades. If people truly believe that
it's still settled science and the data is there to
support it, then you need to show the data because
just saying well, this is this is what's the right
thing to do, it doesn't work anymore. We can't have
that paternalistic attitude when we're talking to the American people,
because the American people are educated, they want to make
(26:14):
informed decisions. And when you have this digital era where
all of a sudden, they're realizing that the truth is
at their fingertips and it's not necessarily just from the
mouthpieces that they're seeing from the CDC or whatnot, you
have to make sure that you are being very nuanced
in the recommendations for public health. Part of that is
going to be right now. RFT Junior is having to
(26:35):
put together the Vaccine Advisory Committee right He got rid
of all the original members because he said that they
were essentially all part of the industry standard and it
was time for them to go. And while I may
not disagree with a lot of them needing to go.
You know, he's kind of swinging that pendulum far the
other way by putting all new members on that are
part of his inner circle and his inner thinking. We
(26:58):
have to make sure that we have dialogue and debate
on these committees, so we can't just go from one
inner circle to the next. We need to start building
these institutions that are with people who are going to
last much longer than just an administration.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Are there just.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire, in your opinion in
the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we
had doctor McCarry on and he said it was something
like seventy or something along those lines over the course
of Now I know that some of those are multiple
shots and they're given over years. That does seem like
that just seems like a lot of shots.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Sure, So, in my humble opinion, I think that we
need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's
happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away
with all vaccine mandates, that's a completely different conversation. What
I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling
or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's reevaluate
(27:56):
what we're even recommending. Can we change the timeline? Does
every single child need all of these vaccines? Because the
reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping them
together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine the
one with measles that provides decades of protection, while the
protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the public
(28:18):
health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're undermining
trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same,
and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change
the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of
vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual
child or the community. But it just means you have
(28:40):
to open up that conversation, and you have to be
willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a
lot of people who have a they're head in the
stand right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well,
if you start changing it now, you're going to change
the whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy.
But if you don't acknowledge the people both concerns, and
(29:00):
you don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal, you're actually
promoting vaccine hesitancy more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
How can people find your podcast and dive in if
they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, well.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Thanks to you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole
Saffire is part of the Clay and Buck family. We
have a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with
about just five minutes of me telling you what happened
that week. We're going to go all through the hearing
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Mass you have a longer full episode next week. You
(29:35):
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analyst for Restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We
talk all things make America healthy again. We get into
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Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to
ask you this as well, so I encourage you to
go follow Doctor Sapphire.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They play in Buck podcast network well on this unmasked
Doctor Sapphire tremendous collection of talent.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What's the worst date You've ever been? On? Doctor? Because
Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized that I
went on a high school date to watch that movie,
which was not a great movie to go on as
a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller on do
you recall the worst date that you've ever been on
in your life? Is there one that stands out?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I think the worst date I've ever been on my
life was my first kind of date, or not even
a date, but when I met my husband, because we
actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference.
But I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes
up to me and he starts he's thinking that my
tea is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot
(30:48):
believe that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in
a wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable.
And twenty years later we're married with kids.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Wait, how did he make the transition?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, Like, how do you go from like, Hey, like,
I think something's been spiked in your tea to I'd
like your phone number.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time.
It took about two years for us to actually go
on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll
tell you persistence pays off.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I had a very wise man tell me for many years.
Persistence is the key in all things. So there you go,
Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go check out
wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck podcast podcast network.
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We're gonna be closing up shop here shortly, and I
was just putting this out, maybe something something that some
of the dog experts in the audience can tell can
tell me about because we're doing some more training with
ginger Spice. We we have a baby, baby's gonna be walking,
and just there's new new things to take into account here.
So like we can't have her jumping on people. I'm
(33:00):
of course very bad about this.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Clay. I come home and I'm one of these people who.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I love the dog getting all excited and jumping on me,
and I'll carry her and she'll wrestle me and we
have so much fun. But with a toddler, that's not
good because she'll want to do that with the toddler
and she'll knock the toddler down and he can hit
his head and that kind of stuff. So you're doing
some new training. So I was taking Ginger out for
her walk today and I am always I'm amazed at
just how intuitive this little animal is and how she
(33:25):
picks up on my moods and my tone and emotions
everything else. And I was walking today and like she's
being such a great little companion. She's a little Australian
labradoodle weighs about twenty five pounds. A lot of you've
seen photos that I brought her in and then out
of nowhere, she dove into the biggest pile of poop
I think I have, like I don't know if it
was like a horse or something, and just got it
all over and I sit there, I'm like, why this
(33:47):
animal is so smart, she would she would never do that.
I don't understand why this happens, Clay, I don't know.
Then I'm reminded it is in fact an animal that
I'm dealing with. It is in fact a cat.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I think the funniest part of this story is you
put on a bathing suit and then got in the
sheep hour with your dog to clean the poop off
of her u for like half an hour before the
show today. That is what I was doing. I was
in there now rubbing away question why not fully nude
from you? Not to take people into the total nude
universe here, but what was the thought process? You didn't
(34:16):
want the dog to see you naked like you were modest? Well,
there was so much there was so much external refuse
on the dog that I aid your exposure. I don't
want to get you know what I'm saying, Like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like you know, I know it's a kind of thing,
but you don't want dog poop. It's one thing to
get on my wrists or my hands.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I don't want any dog.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Poop down there, buddy. So yes, I had to cover
up a little bit. I had to cover up a
little bit. I'm sorry, that's what I was thinking. I
wasn't thinking about them. I was like, is he modest?
Is he like I don't want to be the you know,
nude with the dog.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
No, it was, I remember it was. I felt weird
because it was so dirty.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So I wanted to have a little protection down below
because you know, guys, we all know you gotta protect
that area.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You gotta protect first and foremost. I when when my
youngest got sick once of many times, right if you're
a parent, and I mean just threw up all over
himself and my wife was also my wife was also
sick because unfortunately buck, as you will learn, when one
of the kid gets sick, everyone gets sick. Yeah, it
(35:20):
just runs through the whole family. Every kid gets it,
you know, it just it does stomach bug, whatever else.
And he threw up all over himself, and I was like,
I mean I can either like try to wash him,
and I just got in the shower with him, and
you know, cause kids are too young to get in
the shower when they're super young, but if you're holding
them there, and I was just like, I'm gonna get it.
(35:41):
So I was thinking about that when you were talking
about the dog. It's just I'm gonna get it all
off at once, and and so you're just in there
and you're just like, anyway, I'm glad that you and
the dog have survived, and I'm glad that you managed
to keep yourself from getting too covered in poop. Really
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Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
We got a couple of great guests coming for you
this hour. Tons of reactions pouring in. I bet Katie
Miller will have a good answer on this and we
will bring her in. She got a great new podcast,
wife of Steven Miller, Trump White House Official. She has
(00:22):
done a lot of different things, a lot of positive
things about her. One negative I would have to share
right off the top is that she is a Florida
Gator and she graduated from there back when Florida was
actually still good at football, see like a long time ago.
And we bring in now Katie Miller with that introduction. Katie,
I hope everything is going well. I've seen the podcast
(00:42):
the clips as well, and it seems to be going
very well there much better than Florida Gator football. But
right off the top here you and Katie Britt I
actually watched a decent amount of this, had a big
conversation about the We started off the show today talking
about culture and how culture you have to win in
(01:03):
culture in order to win in politics. And I love
what you're doing with the podcast because I think this
is a big part of that but you have seen
Sidney Sweeney stock of American Eagle at skyrocketing today they
put a pretty girl in jeans and said, go buy jeans.
You have seen and I wanted to lead with this
because you are a former Florida Gator sorority girl. So
was Katie Britt. You have seen these sorority videos. Just
(01:26):
take over TikTok, take over Instagram, take over Twitter. It
feels like cultural normalcy. Boys or boys, girls are girls,
football setting records, good sec schools are flooded with applications.
It feels like there's just a huge desperate demand for
the country to return to normal. Do you feel that?
Is that a part of what you're tapping into with
(01:48):
your show?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thanks the Claim Bucks for having me on today. It's
very exciting to do your show for the first time.
And I be remiss if I did not say go
Gators and very much an ouch that Florida football is
indeed fantastic. There is nothing like being in the swamp
on a Saturday cheering alongside ninety thousand fans for the
Gators to get a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Can I jump in really quick, Katie?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Just because so my wife is also a Gator and
She's also a follower listener of your podcast. By the way,
she has fabulous taste and everything audio husbands Colleges, What
year were you at UF?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
For years?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I was Pledge class twenty ten, University of Florida, Alpha Omicron, Hi,
Proud Panda.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Thank you guys. You guys might have overlapped. I know
it's a big place, but anyway, keep going. UF ladies
are the best.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Go ahead, we are one hundred percent the best. Still
remember my sorority cheers. But no, why I launched the
podcast is you're so right, is in order to change culture,
you have to talk to people where they are. And
we saw in the twenty twenty four election President Trump
talked to every podcaster out there. Right, they called it
the bro Election and having bros be bros again, Right,
(03:03):
guys be guys, women be women. But there is no
female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability, what's going
on in the lives of women that's not political, and
that isn't just politics all day long. And so in
order for us to change culture, we have to talk
to women where they are. You know, what are you
listening to when you're washing dishes? When you're folding laundry,
(03:25):
when you're doing a craft with your kids. I didn't
think there was anything out there for me, so I thought,
why not do it myself.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So you've had conversations already, Katie, with Vice President jd Vance,
Senator Katie Brad. I mean, clearly you're getting some very
big names to sit down with you. What are some
of the topics. I mean you've mentioned them in broadstroke,
but some of the specific, more specific issues that you
think conservative women want discussed more, want more attention, whether
(03:53):
it's in the podcast universe or just in the broader
media ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I just think a women's issue is not just and
I hate to be like crewe do I say this.
It's not just our period and sex and those type
of issues, right. A women's issue is just how a
woman talks about issues. And I hate being bucketed into
just saying my brain can only handle what is quote
unquote a women's issue, because I think it does a
disservice to all smart women out there and women who
have a brain, which is one hundred percent of us,
(04:19):
though some may not use it as well as others.
And so what issues do we talk about? You know,
you mentioned Katie Britt, you mentioned JD Vance, and with
two political guests, we did everything except politics, right What
does JD make for breakfast in the morning, What time
does he get home, is he putting his kids to bed?
What's his favorite condiment? You know, the really important issues
you want to know from your vice president. And so
(04:43):
you know, next this episode we just released Monday night
at six o'clock, was with Joe Geba, the co founder
of Airbnb. How did he start Airbnb? You know, we
asked him important questions like what's this dumbest thing he's
ever spent money on? If you had all the money
in the world, what's the craziest thing you've spent it on?
You know, what's life like as a billionaire that you
know only I think it's twenty eight hundred people in
(05:05):
the whole world get to experience that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Which you know, people don't ever ask those questions because
they're probably inappropriate, but I've somehow lost a filter over
years of working for President Trump. And then there's also
you know, questions like next week we have on Mike Tyson,
which is you know, really fun for your audience, but
I asked him about everything except boxing, and so what
(05:28):
did we talk about? We talked about what did he
do when he works out? Which day is leg day,
which day is arm day? Which guess what? He works
out every part of his body every day. Apparently he's
in his gym most hours of the day. We talked
about which would be really fun? What was it like
living next to Wayne Noton? And they have two different
types of animals, one as horses and one as tigers,
(05:49):
and lets you know how that works out.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
On the podcast, we somehow got onto a conversation because
Buck was watching with his wife Carrie the movie The
English Patient, and I mentioned that in nineteen ninety six,
when that movie came out, I went on a date
with a girl that I liked at the time, The
English Patient, which is closer to going on a date
(06:11):
to watch Schindler's List than it is to go watch
The New Happy Gilmore, What is the worst date that
you've ever been on? And do you remember like part
of way through it, like thinking I've got to get
a girlfriend to call me to get out of this.
Have you ever had a situation where you were like
this is absolute misery? How do I get out of this.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I've had one I can recall, and it was actually
and I was at Florida a friend of mine. We
had gone on a double date to Oh my gosh,
it was a steakhouse in Tampa. So we were in
a car with these guys for like an hour and
a half. We're at the restaurant. We're both like, we
got a run, but we're an hour and a half
away from home, and so we ended up. This is
like pre uber, right, so you're like, how do you
(06:51):
get from Tampa back to Gainesville. We ended up staying
in a hotel for the night and renting a car
the next day.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But that was probably that's how bad the day was.
You refuse to get in a card to drive back
to Gainesville with them.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, we ended up staying the night in Tampa at
a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly,
because those are the nights you remember. I don't remember
why we went on this double date. I don't remember
who the double date was with. If I couldn't even
recall like what their faces looked like, I just knew
this was like not the vibe.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
All right, Wait, hold on, so we're talking to Katie
Miller here of the Katie Miller Podcast, which was just launched,
And Katie, we can't let you go, we can't let
you bypass. Do you agree with me that The English
Patient is a wildly overrated movie or are you on
team Peterman from Seinfeld that it's so good? If anyone
doesn't like it, they should be fired.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I've never seen it, guys.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
See, I hadn't seen it till this weekend, so that's
why we were talking about it. Whichever, I feel like
I thought everyone Katie had seen it. I thought everybody knew.
So that's you and Steve.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I'll tell you a really good a good one here,
some breaking news for you. So I asked Mike Tyson
would he rather watch The Notebook every day, every every
Friday for the rest of his life or never watched
sports again? And he said The Notebook is his ultimate
favorite movie. So I come home, Steven and I are
talking about this, right We're like and He's like, I've
(08:13):
never seen The Notebook. So to me, if you're saying
The English Patient is one of these that like everyone's
got to see, is they're like ultimate date night movie.
I thought The Notebook was that for sure, and Steven's
never seen it, So.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, well, I've never seen a book. Have you seen
the Notebook Book?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Clay? I was a single guy going on Dan. Of
course I got I got dragged to the Notebook. Every guy,
every guy who has ever been seening when it came out,
saw the Notebook. But Katie, do you I mean, I
know you know this because your husband. We're both Steven
Miller fans here and uh, you know, back in the
back in the OG days, back in the first administration.
And do you realize that his favorite movie is also
(08:48):
probably the favorite movie of my two brothers and me,
which is Blood Sport with Jean Claude van dam which
we can quote every single line from this movie. Stephen
said on the show that he believes that is the
best movie ever made.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I agree. Steven loves movies, he really, I guess I
agree with that because we watched that. All the time.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You have watched you've been forced to watch Bloodsport. Let
me ask you this so many times, guys, it's so Clay,
I can do every line from that movie. You start
talking to me in Bloodsport, I can respond in Bloodsport.
It's like its own language. You worked with Elon. You're
talking about all of these different guests that you have.
I imagine at some point Elon will be on but leaving
(09:32):
aside obviously like trying to put people on Mars and
and all the success with the different companies. What surprised
you about Elon as a person? Like you said Mike Tyson,
you didn't expect him to like the notebook surprise. What
do you think would surprise people about Elon That doesn't
have to do with the brilliant entrepreneurial aspect based on
(09:54):
your experience with him.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To me, the most surprising part about Elon was is
how much he truly cares about his employees. And I
don't just mean that they're excellent and succeeding for him
in business. I mean how much he cares about their livelihoods,
their personal lives, and their general well being. You know,
you talk about Mars, and I believe everyone who's listening,
(10:18):
including both of you, should go to Star Based, Texas
if you haven't. It is an unbelievable town where they've
built just for the employees of SpaceX. But they have
flights that go to and from LA every week, so
that employees who live in Texas, can get to a
metropolis whenever they want to an urban city and get
(10:39):
to their friends and family, and it's paid for by
the company and they can bring their family with them.
They built unbelievable houses and a pool and bars and
restaurants and a gym, and it is truly this like
little oasis on a strip of sand in Texas that's
meant to make his employees' lives better, with a doctor,
with medical care, with like a little convene in store.
(11:01):
That's all for his employees. And I believe you don't
do that and build something like that unless you really
want people who work for you to be extremely happy.
And everyone who works for him feels that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Similarly, Katie, I know you're talking again to the larger
culture here, and I bet you now think about this.
I think you have three kids. Buck's got one, I've
got three.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I have a four to three and two year old.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But yeah, I mean that is yes, so you have
you're in the weeds in a big way. Buck has
got an under one, and my boys are getting older seventeen, fourteen,
and ten. But I now think a lot about the
fact that and I know this is something that Elon
has been tweeting about I bet you think about it
some too. The population is collapsing. It feels like men
are often unhappy with women and women are often unhappy
(11:50):
with men. How do we get back the sexes to
being somewhat happy?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I understand there's jokes and relationships and everything else, but
when there aren't kids being produced, when there aren't a
lot of babies, society is legitimately being threatened. I worry
about this quite a lot. Do you think about it
at all? What advice would you have out there for
the single people time today?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah? Okay, good one of my most thought about topics.
If it was up to Stephen, we'd have probably a
dozen children. Though I don't know if your wife feels similarly,
but being pregnant is not my thing. However, you know,
still more kids to come in the Miller households. But
I would tell you this is that I think the
one of the worst things that happened to our country
was when sixteen Are Pregnant. That show an MTV that
(12:34):
we all credit with stopping you know, teen birth rates
is the one that started collapsing. You know, younger kids
having kids. You know, you saw with Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelsey, is that them getting engaged is a culmination
of their adulthood instead of the beginning we should be
having marriage. We should be getting married and having babies
(12:55):
at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end,
because women were meant to have kids in younger years.
And I'll say this is I'm thirty three, and I
understand that every year I get older makes it harder
for me to have a kid. I'm not, you know,
immune to that fact. But we aren't encouraging women to
have kids younger. We are having encouraging and we're having
a society that is encouraging childbirth at older years. Right,
(13:18):
Why is it at hospitals in DC that they're old
that their first time moms are thirty nine years old.
That's a geriatric pregnancy. We shouldn't be doing that. It's
not healthy for the mother, it's not healthy for the child.
We should be encouraging younger rates. And I think that
goes to I see a lot of this is that
women feel that they're better than the men, and they
(13:38):
must have the same equal degree as the man, and
then therefore it they don't feel less than we need
to be telling. And I also think one other point
on this is that when women were told to go
to the workplace and that that should have the same
job as a man, that did not glamorize going to
an office because I believe a woman's best job and
her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired
(14:00):
to do, is raise children. Does that mean that should
be the only thing you do. No, but we should
not be in a society where women feel like they
have to go to work and raising their kids isn't
their first available option. Because I think when you're telling
a woman that they should feel that they should to
be equal to a man they have to go to
an office, that's when we're losing a society.
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Follow awesomely go check it out. Good luck to the Gators.
Not too good luck though, And I appreciate appreciate Katie.
I do think, and we'll come back and we'll have
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to win the culture wars. And I love what she's
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck uh some feisty moments
on Capitol Hill today as RFK Junior was giving testimony
in front of the Senate. We've got a few of
those most interesting exchanges to play for you, but first
let's start with this one.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Play it as you're saying, the Biden administration politicize all
the day, go back.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
To campwell run, Surgeon General.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
They fired doctor Grunt, they fired all the people who
questioned the orthodoxy. They fired doctor Grouper, doctor Kelsi, Secretary
of Health.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I liked it. He's getting after it their clay because
they're trying to say, oh, during COVID there was no
politicization or whatever it was. That's insane. He can't let
them get away with that. He cannot let that rewriting
of history happen. Here's something well said by JD. Vance
and I'll hit quickly. When I see all these senators
trying to lecture. Gotcha, Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
All I can think is you support off label, untested,
irreversible hormone therapies for kids, mutilating our kids and enriching
big Pharmer. You're full of blank and everyone knows it. JD.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Vane.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
There you go, all right, Look, President Trump wants to
see our country as the leader in AI. I mean,
this is a big deal, and the race to be
ahead of AI is as competitive as the race to
put a man in the moon. Back in the sixties,
we let on the AI front than Biden took office
and we lost a few steps to China, India, Russia.
But President Trump sees that this is a crucial technology
(18:18):
and he's his administration is prepairing and estimated trillion dollars
plus investment, drawing in multiple partners. It's what I call
Manhattan Project too, to take back our lead in the
AI arms race and potentially engage a handful of US
companies with billions in new contracts. It could trigger an
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(18:39):
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
We welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We're rolling through
the edition of the program. We bring in our friend
doctor Nicole Sapphire, part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
You can also see your regularly on Fox News. She
does fantastic work across the media spectrum. And doctor Sapphire,
we will start with the fireworks that have just come
(19:18):
as Senator, sorry, Senator as Robert Kennedy was testifying in
front of many different senators out there about what exactly
is going on as it pertains to rules on COVID
shots and rules on vaccines in general and science and
everything else. What did you take away from that testimony
(19:42):
and how would you assess what is going on right
now from a health care perspective.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Hey, guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah,
I'll tell you I try to live stream as much
as that Senate Finance Community Committee with RFK Junior as
I could. I'm in the hospital myself, clean patients. But
you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There were
name calling, there were yelling, there's eye rolling. I mean,
people were frustrated. But here's what I find as a
(20:09):
lay person but also someone in the medical community, what
I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people
just trying to get talking points out for media headlines.
This was not a conversation. This is not for the
greater good of America. What happens in these committee hearings,
and that is what I find the most frustrating. I
(20:29):
think RFK Junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he had made
some really strong points. I think some of the senators
made some really strong points, and ultimately I think that
there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all.
And unfortunately for me looking at this from the outside in,
you know, throughout all of COVID, we became a very
fractured society, and all of a sudden, we have weaponized
(20:51):
public health, we have politicized it. And I was all
I'm looking for is what are we going to do
to bring the country together, to try and get politics
out of public health out of our healthcare system as
best we can. I mean, you never will be able
to completely, but the best we can. And how are
we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some
of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to
(21:15):
unifying the nation as we were four years ago.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, I want to have you react here to an exchange,
Doctor Sapphire between RFK Junior and Senator Widen.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's about forty seconds long.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
This has cut eighteen hit it.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets
about anything you've done or plans to change it. And
my last comment is I hope that you will tell
the American people how many preventable child deaths are an
acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is
fundamentally cruel and defies common sense.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Senaty, You've said in that chair for how long twenty
twenty five years, while the chronic disease and our children
went up to seventy six percent, and you said you
never asked the question why why is this happening today
for the first time in twenty years, to learn that
infant mortality has increased in our country. It is not
because I came in here, is because of what happened
(22:12):
during the Biden administration that we're going to end.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
How much, doctor Sapphire of the apparent animosity that these
Democrat senators showed toward RFK Junior is because he's RFK
Junior and they don't like what he has stood for
in the past, or just because he happened to be
Trump's HHS guy.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, so that's a great question. And first of all,
that was one of RFK Junior's strongest messages in my
opinion during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and
He's like, it turned to crap under you guys, you've
been in office for decades, sitting on this committee, and
this is the first time we're having these conversations about
making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather
(22:51):
cheeky but also very poignant. You know, Senator Widen came
out saying that he is going to be releasing a
report today. He asked to put it in evidence that
supposedly will show the damage to healthcare of the American
people done under OURFK Junior, highlighting chaos, corruption, and higher
health care costs. And yet he said these things, but
(23:12):
we did not see that report or the data. So again, Widen,
I thought, was trying to get some of those talking
points at the end of the day, And this is
something I've said now, you know for the last several
weeks that I get some criticism on is that we
already know Trump derangement syndrome is real. I mean, one
of these days it'll be a diagnosable condition. That is,
a medical doctor, I can code it and it'll be
(23:34):
a true diagnosis. But the RFK derangement syndrome is real
as well, and so for me, maybe he is not
the perfect messenger to be out in front of the
camera talking about the work that they're doing behind the scenes.
He is bringing a ton of insight and a ton
of innovation and a whole new thought process to the HHS.
They're finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness.
(23:56):
They're trying to make a systems more efficient.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Are all great.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Things, but the moment he steps in front of the
camera or gets behind the microphone, half of the country
is turning it off, just like they always do with
President Trump. And so when it comes to public health,
it would be great for me if there was another
spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message, because
as you see, if you look at social media right now,
people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy. They're making
(24:22):
fun the fact that he was breathing heavily into the microphone,
forget the fact that he has a neurological condition, and
what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate by making fun
of someone, but they don't like him, and that's the
bottom line.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Doctor Stapfire. I think the biggest issue that we face
as a country as it pertains to public health is
in the wake of COVID, many people, myself included, have
lost all faith in public health so called experts. To
give us the best possible advice, what would your advice
be to try to cure what I believe is the
(24:59):
biggest issue in America today, which is just lack of
trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not
going to be a one size fits all answer to that.
But part of that is going to be getting people
that are well respected on both sides of the aisle
into the HHS into the CDC. We undermine trust when
we like Right now, what we're dealing with right now,
and you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines the CDC.
(25:32):
We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only
are parents questioning the COVID vaccines, because the CBC doubled
down on the mandates long after science changed the reality
is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really
questioning public health in general, and so we have to
take a big step back and what was settled science
(25:53):
for the last several decades. If people truly believe that
it's still settled science and the data is there to
support it, then you need to show the data because
just saying well, this is this is what's the right
thing to do, it doesn't work anymore. We can't have
that paternalistic attitude when we're talking to the American people,
because the American people are educated, they want to make
(26:14):
informed decisions. And when you have this digital era where
all of a sudden, they're realizing that the truth is
at their fingertips and it's not necessarily just from the
mouthpieces that they're seeing from the CDC or whatnot, you
have to make sure that you are being very nuanced
in the recommendations for public health. Part of that is
going to be right now. RFT Junior is having to
(26:35):
put together the Vaccine Advisory Committee right He got rid
of all the original members because he said that they
were essentially all part of the industry standard and it
was time for them to go. And while I may
not disagree with a lot of them needing to go.
You know, he's kind of swinging that pendulum far the
other way by putting all new members on that are
part of his inner circle and his inner thinking. We
(26:58):
have to make sure that we have dialogue and debate
on these committees, so we can't just go from one
inner circle to the next. We need to start building
these institutions that are with people who are going to
last much longer than just an administration.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Are there just.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Way too many vaccines doctor Sapphire, in your opinion in
the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we
had doctor McCarry on and he said it was something
like seventy or something along those lines over the course
of Now I know that some of those are multiple
shots and they're given over years. That does seem like
that just seems like a lot of shots.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Sure, So, in my humble opinion, I think that we
need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's
happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away
with all vaccine mandates, that's a completely different conversation. What
I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling
or getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's reevaluate
(27:56):
what we're even recommending. Can we change the timeline? Does
every single child need all of these vaccines? Because the
reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping them
together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine the
one with measles that provides decades of protection, while the
protessis one that immunity wanes within months. And the public
(28:18):
health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're undermining
trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same,
and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change
the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of
vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual
child or the community. But it just means you have
(28:40):
to open up that conversation, and you have to be
willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a
lot of people who have a they're head in the
stand right now with that vacuum thought mentality of well,
if you start changing it now, you're going to change
the whole thing, and that's going to creep in vaccine hesitancy.
But if you don't acknowledge the people both concerns, and
(29:00):
you don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal, you're actually
promoting vaccine hesitancy more than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
How can people find your podcast and dive in if
they haven't already? Doctor Sapphire, well.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Thanks to you, guys. Wellness on Mask with doctor Nicole
Saffire is part of the Clay and Buck family. We
have a weekly rundown every Friday at ten am with
about just five minutes of me telling you what happened
that week. We're going to go all through the hearing
tomorrow and then on Tuesdays, dropping at ten Wellness on
Mass you have a longer full episode next week. You
(29:35):
will hear me with Jennifer Gollardi. She's the senior policy
analyst for Restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We
talk all things make America healthy again. We get into
a little bit of a healthy debate on some things,
and I'll tell you it's a great interview, so please
make sure to catch it out. I'm also on x,
Instagram and Fox News.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to
ask you this as well, so I encourage you to
go follow Doctor Sapphire.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They play in Buck podcast network well on this unmasked
Doctor Sapphire tremendous collection of talent.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
There.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What's the worst date You've ever been? On? Doctor? Because
Buck brought up The English Patient, I realized that I
went on a high school date to watch that movie,
which was not a great movie to go on as
a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller on do
you recall the worst date that you've ever been on
in your life? Is there one that stands out?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I think the worst date I've ever been on my
life was my first kind of date, or not even
a date, but when I met my husband, because we
actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference.
But I was drinking hot tea and this guy comes
up to me and he starts he's thinking that my
tea is spiked, and the whole time he just cannot
(30:48):
believe that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in
a wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable.
And twenty years later we're married with kids.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Wait, how did he make the transition?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, Like, how do you go from like, Hey, like,
I think something's been spiked in your tea to I'd
like your phone number.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time.
It took about two years for us to actually go
on a date. But the man was persistent, and I'll
tell you persistence pays off.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I had a very wise man tell me for many years.
Persistence is the key in all things. So there you go,
Doctor Sapphire, Thank you so much. Guys, go check out
wellness on mass on the Clay and Buck podcast podcast network.
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We're gonna be closing up shop here shortly, and I
was just putting this out, maybe something something that some
of the dog experts in the audience can tell can
tell me about because we're doing some more training with
ginger Spice. We we have a baby, baby's gonna be walking,
and just there's new new things to take into account here.
So like we can't have her jumping on people. I'm
(33:00):
of course very bad about this.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Clay. I come home and I'm one of these people who.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I love the dog getting all excited and jumping on me,
and I'll carry her and she'll wrestle me and we
have so much fun. But with a toddler, that's not
good because she'll want to do that with the toddler
and she'll knock the toddler down and he can hit
his head and that kind of stuff. So you're doing
some new training. So I was taking Ginger out for
her walk today and I am always I'm amazed at
just how intuitive this little animal is and how she
(33:25):
picks up on my moods and my tone and emotions
everything else. And I was walking today and like she's
being such a great little companion. She's a little Australian
labradoodle weighs about twenty five pounds. A lot of you've
seen photos that I brought her in and then out
of nowhere, she dove into the biggest pile of poop
I think I have, like I don't know if it
was like a horse or something, and just got it
all over and I sit there, I'm like, why this
(33:47):
animal is so smart, she would she would never do that.
I don't understand why this happens, Clay, I don't know.
Then I'm reminded it is in fact an animal that
I'm dealing with. It is in fact a cat.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I think the funniest part of this story is you
put on a bathing suit and then got in the
sheep hour with your dog to clean the poop off
of her u for like half an hour before the
show today. That is what I was doing. I was
in there now rubbing away question why not fully nude
from you? Not to take people into the total nude
universe here, but what was the thought process? You didn't
(34:16):
want the dog to see you naked like you were modest? Well,
there was so much there was so much external refuse
on the dog that I aid your exposure. I don't
want to get you know what I'm saying, Like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like you know, I know it's a kind of thing,
but you don't want dog poop. It's one thing to
get on my wrists or my hands.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I don't want any dog.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Poop down there, buddy. So yes, I had to cover
up a little bit. I had to cover up a
little bit. I'm sorry, that's what I was thinking. I
wasn't thinking about them. I was like, is he modest?
Is he like I don't want to be the you know,
nude with the dog.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
No, it was, I remember it was. I felt weird
because it was so dirty.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So I wanted to have a little protection down below
because you know, guys, we all know you gotta protect
that area.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You gotta protect first and foremost. I when when my
youngest got sick once of many times, right if you're
a parent, and I mean just threw up all over
himself and my wife was also my wife was also
sick because unfortunately buck, as you will learn, when one
of the kid gets sick, everyone gets sick. Yeah, it
(35:20):
just runs through the whole family. Every kid gets it,
you know, it just it does stomach bug, whatever else.
And he threw up all over himself, and I was like,
I mean I can either like try to wash him,
and I just got in the shower with him, and
you know, cause kids are too young to get in
the shower when they're super young, but if you're holding
them there, and I was just like, I'm gonna get it.
(35:41):
So I was thinking about that when you were talking
about the dog. It's just I'm gonna get it all
off at once, and and so you're just in there
and you're just like, anyway, I'm glad that you and
the dog have survived, and I'm glad that you managed
to keep yourself from getting too covered in poop. Really
fun show. Encourage all of you subscribe to the podcast
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