November 17, 2023 • 36 mins
Conservatives have been slow to adopt new tech, Buck says, so this show is on TikTok to fight back against ignorance. Will Trump rally outside the GOP debate? Raymond Arroyo, author of "The Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln," talks President Lincoln's turkey pardon, his upcoming tour for his album, "Christmas Merry & Bright," joined by José Feliciano performing "Feliz Navidad.” C&B and Raymond also have a little food fight over the best Thanksgiving side dishes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So I know you went off on TikTok yesterday, Buck,
which had to pain you on some level being the
diehard TikTok aficionado of which you are.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well, yes, I mean I enjoyed the TikTok and I doubt.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fox News, Marquette, Quinnipiac, the Morning Consult, all New York Times,
every poll that is coming out has Joe Biden losing
now to Donald Trump. And I understand we're eleven and
a half months from the twenty twenty four election. A
lot can change. But I saw this story this morning, Buck,
(00:48):
and I couldn't help but laugh because I actually do
think it reflects the dire straits that the Biden administration
is finding itself in as they sit eleven and a
half of months away from the election, and they're trying
to say, well, we've been studying the incumbent campaigns of
other challenged individuals. It's a big article about, hey, we're
(01:10):
going to study what George W. Bush did in two
thousand and four in a challenging environment and manage to
win election.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Obama and what he did in the twenty twelve race
to try to make make his way back in what
was a supremely challenging environment. They're acknowledging that Joe Biden
is not in good shape, but they are so desperate
buck that they are considering having Joe Biden sign.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Up for a TikTok account. I can't I'm not making
this up.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They are trying to find any way that they can
to reverse a deep slide that they have seen in
voter support under the age of thirty and so the
brilliant minds at the Biden administration have started to significantly
debate inside of the president's brain trust whether or not
(02:02):
it makes sense for him to have an official TikTok account.
Now they've reached out to a lot of different high
end if you want to call them that maybe popular
TikTok influencers, to try to reach everyone. But they're also
simultaneously saying in some parts of the Biden administration, hey,
we need to ban this. We shouldn't be allowing federal
(02:22):
employees to use it. So you are more attuned to
TikTok than I am. Although I would point out that
the Clay and Buck Show to Be Fair is on TikTok,
and we are actually having a decent number of our
videos go viral.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We had one this week have over five hundred thousand views.
My WNBA challenge got five million views on TikTok. I mean,
these are massive numbers in terms of how many people
are viewing them. If the Biden administration came to you,
Buck and they said, hey, we're tanking on voters under thirty. Obviously,
(02:56):
if you've watched the Republican debates, whether or not to
ban TikTok has been a big point of contention this
week certainly has not helped TikTok. That the bin Laden
endorsement that is occurring on the left wing in this
country has gone viral in many different ways. Would you
advise Joe Biden to join TikTok? Would you advise Vivek Ramaswami,
(03:17):
I believe is the only Republican candidate on TikTok? Would
you advise other Republican candidates to get on TikTok, fair, foul,
smart or not?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah? Absolutely, you would say do it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'm I think that Joe Biden should be on TikTok
for his own purposes. I mean, I you know, obviously
hope he doesn't win the presidency, but I think he
should be on TikTok. I think that other Republicans should
be on TikTok. I think you you use the weapons
of information dissemination that are at your disposal. Yeah, And
(03:49):
I think that he's seeding the battlefield to others is
a bad idea. I mean, think about what's going on
right now. People say, okay, well why are you guys
on TikTok? And I say, well, well, that's where all
of the youth in America is these days. They can
have some clay and buck takes thrown in there too,
content that we're already doing here in the radio show,
or it can be you know, just left wing lunatics
(04:13):
were saying, hey, Ben Laden had some really interesting points
in this letter, right. I mean, this is I think
that one of the mistakes that we've we've had in
concern in the conservative realm is that we're slow to
adopt new technologies of communication.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Just we just are.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And that's been the case for a long time. There's
been dominance of these platforms. By I mean, I thought
this was so interesting that you know, when Elon Musk
actually pointed this out, I think it was in conversation
with Joe Rogan that because of Silicon Valley's geography, you
had the most dominant information dissemination machinery ever created, really
(04:51):
other than you set of printing press.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
But I mean in terms of instantaneous global reach with
the Internet and the social media platforms. Because it was
all out of sil Licon Valley, you also had it
co located with the most left wing radical ideology in
the entire United States, right, you know it Silicon Valley.
I mean theoretically, you know, this could have been in like, uh,
you know des Moines, right, I mean you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, it could have popped up anywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Uh, And there were efforts I think even in like Dallas, Texas,
for example. Wasn't Dell Computer out of there for a
while or there have been some you know that the
city has.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Got a little bit of a tech tech hub. I mean,
there have been other places that have made a run.
But Austin is not exactly known as a bastion of But.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, you you have the the communists in charge
of the information technology, and that's a bad thing. And now,
of course people are gonna, yeah, well, the Chinese communists
are in charge of TikTok, and I understand that My
thing all along has just been that they should it
should be under US, you know, it should be under
effectively US management and US operation or sort of a
(05:51):
forced sale, or or it should TikTok should be regulated
so that we don't have just the free flow of
all US user information going back to China. I think
that should be able to be accomplished. And people say, oh,
well that's imperfect. China hacks into all of our stuff
all the time. Anyway, everybody, you know, China's getting access
to all kinds of in a commercial sector, in the
(06:11):
commercial realm. I mean they're getting all kinds of stuff,
so it's not like that's something new and different. But
I think that with TikTok, you know, you want to
use the platforms you have to get the messages out
that are in line with your ideology and your thinking.
And you also can learn how to really do an
amazing reverse here on a stake. You can learn how
(06:31):
to make an arrowhead out of a piece of flint.
There's some cool stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I think about TikTok a lot because my boys
use YouTube and TikTok is their preferred method by which
they get almost all their news.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And this is not unique to the Travis family.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
If your kids are out there, I saw Ali just
shared with us, and I was reading this article about
it too. The is it gen Z. I can't even
keep up with all the different generation names. Gen Z
gets the majority of their news now from TikTok. So
you can say, oh, my goodness, that's scary, and it is.
But a lot of young kids now use TikTok as Google,
(07:15):
by which I mean they go on there and they
type in a query like you or me, if we're
out there, are going to use Google, and so it's
continuing to grow in popularity. My solution, if I were,
you know, waving a magic wand buck, would be what
almost ended up happening, which is, I think China should
be forced to divest its American version of TikTok to
(07:40):
American owned individuals.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's what I was trying to say before. Yeah, same idea.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, there should be you know, a regulation of it
that effectively protects our national security. Well, because people say
ban it, guess what they're just gonna someone will just
re you know, engineering, re engineer and just launch it
in the US.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I mean it's not so the algorithm is incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I would say, not only this, I think, and I'm
disappointed sometimes the way the conversation happens because they've debated
TikTok a lot on the stage in the Republican primary.
I think the best way to address it is what
we just said. It would be better if it had
American owners. But remember American owners doesn't mean that suddenly
there's going to be some sort of non asymmetric warfare.
Because other than Twitter, we get banned all the time
(08:26):
on YouTube. We've seen what Facebook was willing to do
with COVID. I worked with Tommy Lair and I was
with her at the Patriot Awards last night giving out
an award, and they tried the Biden administration tried to
ban her Facebook page from her opinions on COVID. I mean,
Tommy is I love Tommy. She's super talented, she works
with us, but she's thirty years old and not like
(08:48):
she has a massive apparatus around her. I mean, they're
willing to attack individuals who have opinions they don't like.
And so I would say, one, it should be owned
in America. That doesn't solve all the issues, but pivot.
There's a reason buck China doesn't allow Twitter, and doesn't
allow Google, and doesn't allow this show to be streamed,
(09:09):
and doesn't allow OutKick inside.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Of its borders.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
China is uniquely aware that internal dissent can be far
more powerful than external disagreement can be with other countries.
And so my argument's pretty simple. I don't think Facebook
is in China either. If you won't allow American tech
companies to compete in your country, why in the world
(09:33):
should we allow their companies, especially in the tech and
social media space, to compete here like that? That that
it just seems like there should be a mutual equivalency
here where there shouldn't be laws that apply that protect
Chinese businesses and disallow our businesses to compete and spread ideas,
you know, and meanwhile we're letting.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Them do it here.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is one of the one of the things about
about Trump's presidency that I think he does. He there
are some things that he does I get enough credit for.
And one of them is being the first guy to
really come forward as president and say that there's been
a bipartisan failure, a bi partisan failure on how to
deal with China, stretching back to the nineteen eighties, I
(10:14):
mean stretching back for forty years now. The idea was,
we'll trade with them more, they will get richer, and
they will liberalize. And what happened is they got richer,
didn't liberalize at all, and are now a competitor and
now want us to plant us And now are you
know we've created We've effectively financially armed our biggest opponent
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of the world.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So that's what we've done.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And the elites in this country have gotten very rich,
and all the offshoring and all the rest of it
that's gone with it. Trump was the first one who
came out and said, because I remember even early in
the Trump presidency, there was all this trade wars lead
to real wars, and like, we can't do anything about China,
and there was a recognition that China's.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Already fighting a trade war against us.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Basically, China already is cheating in all kinds of ways
in terms of trade, not just with US, but with
a lot of other countries as well. Never mind the
intellectual property theft and all the things that they're doing.
So it just went from being a one way trade
ward to well we'll start doing some stuff back right. Yeah,
punching back was treated like no, no, that's terrible. Let
(11:16):
the bully just keep punching you. And Trump turned that
whole thinking around that. I think he deserves a lot.
He deserves a lot of credit for that. Notice Biden administration,
if you ask people that are big, you know, China
policy followers and analysts, Biden administration hasn't really broken that
much with Trump policy visa v.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
China.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Now, the kind of kept some of this stuff going,
and you'd say, maybe that's because it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
The initial issue with China was they wanted to say
and I think this is why the movies is such
a great metaphor, because they would say, okay, if you
want to release I don't know, the new Fast and
the Furious movie. I think there's been like Fury Fast
in the Furious movies and they all make like a
billion dollars. They would say, remember when John Cena got
in trouble for saying that the movie debuted in Taiwan
(12:03):
and he had to issue an abject public apology. For
those of you who don't know John Cena, former WWE wrestler,
now action movie star.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
But they make you grovel.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So they moved from hey, okay, hey Hollywood, we're just
going to change some things in your movies in order
to air them here.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And Hollywood said, yeah, we'll take your money, We'll do
whatever else.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And then it's a great metaphor because they have then
established externally that they expect the world to be ruled
by Chinese values. And there's a big difference between Hey,
if you're going to come into our country, we're going
to require this, and what has been the outgrowth of that,
which is now Chinese values and more as we expect
to apply everywhere. And the NBA got caught up in
(12:43):
this because the NBA, the guy says he believes in
Hong Kong freedom right, basic human rights for people from
Hong Kong, and every NBA player refused to say a
word because China was paying them so much money.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And it's like Hollywood, It's like.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The NBA, the almighty dollar has overwhelmed and we've asked
this question Buck, and I think it's a fascinating one.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Everybody immediately pulled out of.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Russia, right, Oh, We're not going to have any All
American business basically pulled out of Russia.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We couldn't do that to China.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You think Apple's going to be like, yeah, we're not
going to make iPhones anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
China has so much economic power they could invade Taiwan
and we couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
What Russia has our assets that are effectively commodities that
make their way to the global market, no matter what oil,
natural gas, fertilizer, right, and so people can posture as
much as they want access to the Russians market. People
care so and this also raises the issue of you know,
(13:41):
in the last Cold War, we had the Soviets relied
on to try to influence our policy and are really
relied on ideological fellow travelers and people that were delusional
and deeply sympathetic to the Soviet Union, and then of
course just the massive mound of four that the Soviet
military you know, stood upon. In this case, the Chinese
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are are wearing us down and manipulating US policy with
payoffs effectively to the American elites, the American political class,
and to American corporations. That is a far more effective
and therefore more nefarious strategy. Right, They're not just relying.
They're not just hoping that some idiot intellectual is like,
I like the commis, I'm gonna steal a bunch of
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Speaker 1 (15:36):
Clay Travis and Buck Sex Tonight voices of sanity in
an Insane world, so we have here.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Look, it's a TMZ scoring, so take that for what
it's meaning. But it is reported on TMZ right now,
and uh, Megan Kelly retweeted it, so it's rocketing around
the Twitter sphere or x. I guess now that Donald
Trump may join the next Republican debate. And this is
(16:07):
based on a secret Service inspection of the venue that
has occurred. Now, a couple of things are one. This
seems very preliminary, so I don't think this is in
any way a confirmation, and it wouldn't it be the
most Trump thing ever if he's like, I'll inspect it
just so everyone thinks he's gonna go and he's like, nah,
I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I'm gonna win anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I have to say, Clay, I don't I don't think
if I were a Trump advisor right now, I think
I think you just you're running in the general. Basically
you're running against Joe Biden and the Democrats, and showing
up at a debate. People can say that they think
it's you know, it's cowardly, and they don't agree with it.
That's but if you're just talking about what will help
him win, why would he show up at the debate.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Because it'd be fun, but it would be far more
entertaining and I think probably far more enlightening if he
were there. And if he did decide to show up
at debate, it might be that he says, hey, now
it's down to three or four people on the state age,
so there's less of a cacophony, like these are the finalists.
I want to demonstrate that I'm better than them. To me,
if he showed up, it would be a sign that
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he's a little bit nervous about his standing in Iowa,
New Hampshire, because if you skip the first one, we
have three debates so far and suddenly parachute in for
the fourth, it would be strange to me. What I
think maybe more likely happening is a secret service checking
out the venue, because Trump might go to Tuscaloosa and
have a counter rally, because there's a lot of Trump
supporters at the University of Alabama. So if he had
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a rally outside of the debate, or even I don't
know if they'd let him in.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Bryant Anything says, that's like the cool kid in the
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That's not that.
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Welcome back in that is Raymond Arroyo seeing Christmas tunes.
I saw you last night, Raymond at the fabulous Patriot Awards.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I thought they'd did a really good job.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I also beautiful and I'm excited to share this with
my youngest son. You have a new book coming out,
The Magnifice sent mischief of Tad Lincoln, and Tad was
you can tell us on this. I mean the Lincoln
family obviously very very sad. Yeah, but Tad was the
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youngest of the Lincoln boys, if I remember correctly, who
was living in the White House during the Civil War.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, you're the big Civil War buff. Yeah, you know
that's right, because Tad was the youngest son of Abraham Lincoln.
And I for years covered the White House turkey part
in which people will remember. You see it on TV
all the time. Yeah, they bring two birds out. Biden
will will no doubt pardon the bird or whoever's in
the audience. I guess he doesn't know who's party, but
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assuming he does, he follows protocol. They bring two turkeys out,
he pardons one of them or both of them. I
didn't realize what the origins of this war, and years
ago somebody in the Trump White House told me it
was JFK Or Truman who started the tradition. So I
did a deep dive and discovered no, it was Tad
Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln. And the back story was so
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moving to me. And it really is about how a
child allowed to be a child and be a boy
and knock things over and have mishaps and create mischief,
which Tad Lincoln did in the White House. He would
hitch a goat to a dining room chair and gallop
through the east room. He dug up the rose garden.
All of that's in the book, but it really is
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about how a child has the capacity to save a
father in many ways. And it's about how Tad Lincoln
was the touchstone of normalcy and joy in a healthscape
that Lincoln was living in, literally with a war crowding
around him and a child whom he just lost in
the White House. It's a story of finding hope in
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dark places and finding light even where you least expect it,
right in your family. And I thought this was a
story worth telling and historic moment that we've lost sight
of because people don't realize where that turkey pardon came from.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, can you tell us? Let me by the way,
when we talk about the turkey pardon? Not my brain
now always goes to build a blasio with ponk Satanni
phil gopher that he dropped and killed killed him. Yeah,
the worst mayor of New York ever killed the gopher
for Groundhog Day. And I think it was a metaphor
for what he was doing in New York City. I'm
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just putting that out there.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
But anyway, well, thank goodness, mister Lincoln had a better
track record. I'll tell you the quick story and the
book The Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln captures this. And
I don't consider these children's books. I consider them family
reads because they're written for the whole family to encounter together,
and adults will learn as much or more than the kids.
But what happened is when Willie, the middle son of
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Abraham Lincoln, dies in the White House, Tad Lincoln and
Abraham Lincoln become inseparable. He takes his son to review
the troops. He goes with him to Richmond. After the war.
Tad sleeps next to his father and watches him give
pardons to all these people who come to the White
House asking for forgiveness, and he absorbs the well. As
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Christmas approaches, a turkey is brought to the White House.
Tad befriends the turkey, puts it on a leash, teaches
the tricks, and then Christmas Eve comes and the White
House chef collects Jack the bird and takes him to
the kitchen. Tad Lincoln totally freaks out, grabs the turkey,
runs upstairs to his father in tears and begs him
to extend a pardon to his bird, to his turkey,
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and Abraham Lincoln gives his son Tad that pardon. That
is the first White House turkey pardon and the beginning
of this beautiful national tradition. But you know, when I've
seen it for years, it's kind of a goofy affair.
Now you realize the backstory, and it really is a study,
and it's an insight into Lincoln's mind. He saw Thanksgiving,
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which Lincoln put on the calendar, by the way, as
a national holiday in eighteen sixty three, the same year
he pardons to Tad's turkey. He saw it as a
time of forgiveness, mercy to those in your family and commune,
and leading to a source of unity for the country. Boy,
do we need that today, guys?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I mean, I'm just wondering, is that the first? Is
that the first ever time? I've never heard of somebody
having a pet turkey before me?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Neither, No, I didn't, but apparently, you know, I guess
when the poor boys alone in the house. It was
the goat and the turkey that arrived that was it.
So he took what he had and used it. But
the fact that he trained the thing put it on
a leash. And by the way, that turkey would continue
to live with the Lincolns for another couple of years.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But you'll never look at a christ You'll never look
at a Thanksgiving turkey in quite the same way. It
just helps put I love origin stories, I mean, and
the whole this whole musical adventure I've been on. I
dug into all of these Christmas carols and discovered the
backstories of them, and it just blew my mind. We
totally misunderstand so much of the things that we just
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take for granted and do.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Give us an example on a song that we don't
understand that everybody you will have heard that we play
all the time during Christmas.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, the biggest one, the most popular song of Christmas
probably jingle Bells. How many times have we heard jingle
bells are a sung it ourselves and you think, oh,
this is a happy Christmas song about bells ringing in
the snow. Right wrong. James Lord Pierpont wrote the song.
He wrote it in a tavern, guys, and it was
in the eighteen sixties eighteen fifties. A bar made a
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test that he wrote it at a tavern. He was
swilling down the rum that they made in Medford, Massachusetts.
But here's the deal. When he snowed in Medford down
Main Street, they would drag race sleighs down the middle
of town. So and this guy, James Lord Pierpont, was
a notorious skirt taser. He ran after women no matter
where he traveled. When you break the song down, when
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you realize the context and you look at the lyrics
a new you realize it is really a girl chasing,
drag racing, drinking song. I'm sorry to report that that's
what it is. So when I went into the studio
with Kevin Costa, the guy who arranged The Greatest Showman
and Jungle Book and Lion King for Disney, he rearranged
all these songs and we used that research to govern
(25:11):
the direction in which we would proceed, both in arrangements
and my performance on the album. So Our jingle Bells
is a little randy, it's a little bumpy and wild,
but it gives new context. And look, it's not all that.
There's some tender songs. I Heard the Bells, which was
written by Longfellow. He lost his wife just before Christmas.
His son came home from the Civil War nearly paralyzed,
(25:34):
and he hears bells down the street, and he gives
him hope. He finds new life in the hope of
those bells and what they promise. And then he wrote
this poem, I heard the Bells on Christmas Day, their
old familiar carol's play, and it goes on and on.
But we tried to capture all the emotions of Christmas,
but restore these songs to their real contexts, their real origins.
(25:58):
And you know, it's both carols that have been with
us for centuries and even modern classics. Jose Feliciano, Jose,
can we do a Boston over treatment of the song?
He agreed to do that. We did it on the album.
It's been at the top of Billboard's charts for weeks
and weeks, and I'm just look, I'm delighted the audience.
He obviously hears something new here and yet something very familiar.
(26:20):
And I love that.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We're speaking of Raymond Arroyo about his book The magnificent
Mischief of Tad Lincoln and he's also got the album
and tour going on. Where can people go to learn
more about the tour if they want to see you
in person?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Christmas, Mary and Bright is the name of the album.
The tour is happening. We open in Phoenix on November
twenty fifth, Thanksgiving weekend, then more in Dallas at the
House of Blues. Jose Feliciano is with me there. We
go to Tampa Cleveland, we end the tour, play and
you're coming a buck. You have to come into town
for this too. The Ryman Auditorium December twenty first, Jose Feliciano,
(26:54):
the Big Band and me and we have special guest stars.
Go to Raymondarroyo Christmas dot com. Raymond Royal Christmas dot
com is the address. I cannot wait to see everybody there.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sounds fantastic.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can I just we We've got all these people now
are going to be going to check out your tour
dates and buying your books.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
But I want to cause some trouble for you. Raymond.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
The best go ahead, the best and worst Thanksgiving sides.
And I'm I'm I'm not We're not pulling any punches here.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Okay, the best and worst I think personally the worst
is probably Cranberry sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I hang up on it, hang up, I'm buying.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I like all the stuffing we have Oyster dressing in
New Orleans and Meloton dressing, odd things you probably don't
have elsewhere. So those are my favorite. My favorite Oyster
dressing and Meloton dressing, which Meloton's kind of a squash
or green squash that grows and buy your country. But
I never you know, I like fresh cranberry sauce, but
so often it's that canned thing and it comes, you know,
(27:53):
it looks like a little power there.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
We are losing our Cranberry sponsor right now, Clay.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We just endorsprin Big Cranberry, and then you just come
on and just immediately decapit.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I loved it. I just I just I'm the form
of that, the solid gelatine form of that thing, like
a little barrel oil barrel there, a red oil barrel.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It kind of scares me, Raymond.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
We had just won over Big Cranberry and then you
just totally Tanya Harding our Nancy Carrigan Cranberry dream here
just ran right in hit us, right, and the kneecap,
We're done if you.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Put it in the middle of the stuffing, particular particularly
oyster stuffing.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'm sure I was hoping. I was hoping that throw
What is it? What is the one that they love
in the South?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is it? Is it? Green bean casserole?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Is the Thanksgiving side that's so popular in the South
that doesn't exist anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Naughty list. I don't like that, damn green bean.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm very anti green bean, so we're not going to
get a green bean sponsorship. I think green beans probably
the most overrated of all the vegetable group. I hate
green beans like I won't eat a mouth and.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
The Christmas what do they call that? Stupid fruitcake?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I also anti fruitcake?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Oh? That stuff is like eating sawdust and grit. I
don't know what it is, but it's it's old. It
should never be consumed by human beings. Give that to animals.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Well, if you want to get on the holiday spirit, everybody,
check out Raymond's book and check out his tour. The
Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln is the book that the
album One More Time.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Raymond, Christmas, Mary and Bright go to Raymond Royal Christmas
dot com. All the details are there. Please come see
me on the world. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Happy Holiday, Christmas, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there as
we get ready to roll in holiday's.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Merry Christmas to both of you and everybody.
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Listening, no doubt at all.
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Speaker 3 (31:52):
Closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for the weekend.
Apparently we just got a phone call in Clay from
a very nice woman who used to cut my hair
when I was in great school. So we got an
audience that listens, you know, stretching way back when to
coast to coast, all over the country, all over the US,
including back in my hometown of New York City. Uh yeah,
(32:13):
her name was. Her name is Kim, Kim the hair adresser.
Thank you for calling in. I hope I always behaved
well seated in the in the chair, and uh have
you ever gotten to truly? I will tell you I
got when I moved to Miami because I was like,
I'm just gonna go to like one of the local
places here.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't know if you could really tell.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I don't even know if people at home could really tell,
but it was one of the It was the worst
haircut I've ever gotten in my life. And it was
because they there's a very common thing here. I think
it's called I don't know if it's a fade or
they like shave around your head and then sort of
faded in to the rest of your hair. And I basically,
like the back of my head six months ago was effective.
(32:51):
People couldn't see it when I went on TV whatever,
but it was shaved like it was almost all the
way all the way down. It was a very Miami haircut,
so you got to be careful. You don't know what
you're getting into. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
My wife is still fired up about the haircut I
got for the day before our wedding.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You had some pretty funky haircuts back then.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I had some wacky haircuts over the years, But my.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Time, did you have this too, where like like like
circa nineteen ninety eight where people started doing like long hair,
like guys did long hairs but center part and behind
they'd put their hair behind that.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I did a lot of the ear tuck long hair
hair tuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My my wife said, first
of all, she was like, don't get your haircut because
I go to and I'm probably gonna lose some more
sponsors here somewhere. I go a lot to like great clips,
and you know, like the I pay like twenty dollars
for a haircut. I don't go to like fancy haircut places. Typically,
(33:46):
I'll just go into you know, mall place, mastercuts, whatever
these places are called. And the day before my wedding,
I went, and my wife, if she were here right
now and grabbed them mind would describe it as the
worst haircut that any groom has ever gotten in the
history of a wedding probably And it was a real
(34:07):
bowl cut, like the bowl cut that little.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Boys get, you know, like when this whole website right
didn't we actually didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
We did find my phot.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
My senior year class photo is is an exercise in
in in wackiness. The boys, my three boys, and my
wife at one point all had as their backdrop, you know,
the picture on their on their iPads or their screens,
my senior year class photo. But this, uh, this photo,
the haircut that I got was awful. Her mom went
(34:37):
with me and we got back. She was like, just
how did you let this happen? Like what were you
thinking that you allowed this haircut to occur? So all
the all the wedding photos she considers to be ruined
because of my bowl cut.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
That how is How is training your oldest son to
drive going?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I have to tell you, uh, it is. It is
maybe the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my life,
is parent.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Why don'd you just hire a driving instructor? First of all,
I don't know how. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think we do have a driving instructor, but he
has to have two hundred miles of instruction before the
driving instructor will take him. So we're in the process
of working our way towards two hundred miles and the
roundabout is terrifying. Also the number of people that will
be unhappy because we're not driving very fast, you know,
(35:27):
and they like drive by and you see him like
looking back at you and.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Sort of like a placard you can put in your
rear window that's student driver.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, it would help because I'll look down he's like, man, Dad,
we're going really fast, and like we're going eighteen all right,
we're going eighteen miles an hour, buddy, you can step it.
Up a little bit, but uh, but yeah, it's It
is the most nerve wracking thing I have done as
a parent. And I'm not even sure what the co
Maybe maybe the actual birth. Watching the actual birth the
second most nerve racking, but the from a parenting.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Perspective, this is terrifying.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean, I can tell you puppy training is coming along.
It's really rough. The puppy wakes carry up every morning
at six o'clock in the morning to go play and
take it outside and stuff. I probably should take over
some of that duty myself, but so far Carrie's been
handling it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Not a surprise to anybody. She's much more on it
than I am.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But the problem with trying to train the puppy is
that they're very cute and mischievous, and they want to
do things that you don't want them to do. But
then they just look at you with the puppy eyes,
play and then.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
When do you do work? By the way, I'll be
at Georgia, Tennessee for Big Noon
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So I know you went off on TikTok yesterday, Buck,
which had to pain you on some level being the
diehard TikTok aficionado of which you are.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well, yes, I mean I enjoyed the TikTok and I doubt.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fox News, Marquette, Quinnipiac, the Morning Consult, all New York Times,
every poll that is coming out has Joe Biden losing
now to Donald Trump. And I understand we're eleven and
a half months from the twenty twenty four election. A
lot can change. But I saw this story this morning, Buck,
(00:48):
and I couldn't help but laugh because I actually do
think it reflects the dire straits that the Biden administration
is finding itself in as they sit eleven and a
half of months away from the election, and they're trying
to say, well, we've been studying the incumbent campaigns of
other challenged individuals. It's a big article about, hey, we're
(01:10):
going to study what George W. Bush did in two
thousand and four in a challenging environment and manage to
win election.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And we're looking at.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Obama and what he did in the twenty twelve race
to try to make make his way back in what
was a supremely challenging environment. They're acknowledging that Joe Biden
is not in good shape, but they are so desperate
buck that they are considering having Joe Biden sign.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Up for a TikTok account. I can't I'm not making
this up.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
They are trying to find any way that they can
to reverse a deep slide that they have seen in
voter support under the age of thirty and so the
brilliant minds at the Biden administration have started to significantly
debate inside of the president's brain trust whether or not
(02:02):
it makes sense for him to have an official TikTok account.
Now they've reached out to a lot of different high
end if you want to call them that maybe popular
TikTok influencers, to try to reach everyone. But they're also
simultaneously saying in some parts of the Biden administration, hey,
we need to ban this. We shouldn't be allowing federal
(02:22):
employees to use it. So you are more attuned to
TikTok than I am. Although I would point out that
the Clay and Buck Show to Be Fair is on TikTok,
and we are actually having a decent number of our
videos go viral.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We had one this week have over five hundred thousand views.
My WNBA challenge got five million views on TikTok. I mean,
these are massive numbers in terms of how many people
are viewing them. If the Biden administration came to you,
Buck and they said, hey, we're tanking on voters under thirty. Obviously,
(02:56):
if you've watched the Republican debates, whether or not to
ban TikTok has been a big point of contention this
week certainly has not helped TikTok. That the bin Laden
endorsement that is occurring on the left wing in this
country has gone viral in many different ways. Would you
advise Joe Biden to join TikTok? Would you advise Vivek Ramaswami,
(03:17):
I believe is the only Republican candidate on TikTok? Would
you advise other Republican candidates to get on TikTok, fair, foul,
smart or not?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah? Absolutely, you would say do it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'm I think that Joe Biden should be on TikTok
for his own purposes. I mean, I you know, obviously
hope he doesn't win the presidency, but I think he
should be on TikTok. I think that other Republicans should
be on TikTok. I think you you use the weapons
of information dissemination that are at your disposal. Yeah, And
(03:49):
I think that he's seeding the battlefield to others is
a bad idea. I mean, think about what's going on
right now. People say, okay, well why are you guys
on TikTok? And I say, well, well, that's where all
of the youth in America is these days. They can
have some clay and buck takes thrown in there too,
content that we're already doing here in the radio show,
or it can be you know, just left wing lunatics
(04:13):
were saying, hey, Ben Laden had some really interesting points
in this letter, right. I mean, this is I think
that one of the mistakes that we've we've had in
concern in the conservative realm is that we're slow to
adopt new technologies of communication.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Just we just are.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And that's been the case for a long time. There's
been dominance of these platforms. By I mean, I thought
this was so interesting that you know, when Elon Musk
actually pointed this out, I think it was in conversation
with Joe Rogan that because of Silicon Valley's geography, you
had the most dominant information dissemination machinery ever created, really
(04:51):
other than you set of printing press.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
But I mean in terms of instantaneous global reach with
the Internet and the social media platforms. Because it was
all out of sil Licon Valley, you also had it
co located with the most left wing radical ideology in
the entire United States, right, you know it Silicon Valley.
I mean theoretically, you know, this could have been in like, uh,
you know des Moines, right, I mean you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, it could have popped up anywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Uh, And there were efforts I think even in like Dallas, Texas,
for example. Wasn't Dell Computer out of there for a
while or there have been some you know that the
city has.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Got a little bit of a tech tech hub. I mean,
there have been other places that have made a run.
But Austin is not exactly known as a bastion of But.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, you you have the the communists in charge
of the information technology, and that's a bad thing. And now,
of course people are gonna, yeah, well, the Chinese communists
are in charge of TikTok, and I understand that My
thing all along has just been that they should it
should be under US, you know, it should be under
effectively US management and US operation or sort of a
(05:51):
forced sale, or or it should TikTok should be regulated
so that we don't have just the free flow of
all US user information going back to China. I think
that should be able to be accomplished. And people say, oh,
well that's imperfect. China hacks into all of our stuff
all the time. Anyway, everybody, you know, China's getting access
to all kinds of in a commercial sector, in the
(06:11):
commercial realm. I mean they're getting all kinds of stuff,
so it's not like that's something new and different. But
I think that with TikTok, you know, you want to
use the platforms you have to get the messages out
that are in line with your ideology and your thinking.
And you also can learn how to really do an
amazing reverse here on a stake. You can learn how
(06:31):
to make an arrowhead out of a piece of flint.
There's some cool stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So I think about TikTok a lot because my boys
use YouTube and TikTok is their preferred method by which
they get almost all their news.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And this is not unique to the Travis family.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
If your kids are out there, I saw Ali just
shared with us, and I was reading this article about
it too. The is it gen Z. I can't even
keep up with all the different generation names. Gen Z
gets the majority of their news now from TikTok. So
you can say, oh, my goodness, that's scary, and it is.
But a lot of young kids now use TikTok as Google,
(07:15):
by which I mean they go on there and they
type in a query like you or me, if we're
out there, are going to use Google, and so it's
continuing to grow in popularity. My solution, if I were,
you know, waving a magic wand buck, would be what
almost ended up happening, which is, I think China should
be forced to divest its American version of TikTok to
(07:40):
American owned individuals.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's what I was trying to say before. Yeah, same idea.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, there should be you know, a regulation of it
that effectively protects our national security. Well, because people say
ban it, guess what they're just gonna someone will just
re you know, engineering, re engineer and just launch it
in the US.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I mean it's not so the algorithm is incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I would say, not only this, I think, and I'm
disappointed sometimes the way the conversation happens because they've debated
TikTok a lot on the stage in the Republican primary.
I think the best way to address it is what
we just said. It would be better if it had
American owners. But remember American owners doesn't mean that suddenly
there's going to be some sort of non asymmetric warfare.
Because other than Twitter, we get banned all the time
(08:26):
on YouTube. We've seen what Facebook was willing to do
with COVID. I worked with Tommy Lair and I was
with her at the Patriot Awards last night giving out
an award, and they tried the Biden administration tried to
ban her Facebook page from her opinions on COVID. I mean,
Tommy is I love Tommy. She's super talented, she works
with us, but she's thirty years old and not like
(08:48):
she has a massive apparatus around her. I mean, they're
willing to attack individuals who have opinions they don't like.
And so I would say, one, it should be owned
in America. That doesn't solve all the issues, but pivot.
There's a reason buck China doesn't allow Twitter, and doesn't
allow Google, and doesn't allow this show to be streamed,
(09:09):
and doesn't allow OutKick inside.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Of its borders.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
China is uniquely aware that internal dissent can be far
more powerful than external disagreement can be with other countries.
And so my argument's pretty simple. I don't think Facebook
is in China either. If you won't allow American tech
companies to compete in your country, why in the world
(09:33):
should we allow their companies, especially in the tech and
social media space, to compete here like that? That that
it just seems like there should be a mutual equivalency
here where there shouldn't be laws that apply that protect
Chinese businesses and disallow our businesses to compete and spread ideas,
you know, and meanwhile we're letting.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Them do it here.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is one of the one of the things about
about Trump's presidency that I think he does. He there
are some things that he does I get enough credit for.
And one of them is being the first guy to
really come forward as president and say that there's been
a bipartisan failure, a bi partisan failure on how to
deal with China, stretching back to the nineteen eighties, I
(10:14):
mean stretching back for forty years now. The idea was,
we'll trade with them more, they will get richer, and
they will liberalize. And what happened is they got richer,
didn't liberalize at all, and are now a competitor and
now want us to plant us And now are you
know we've created We've effectively financially armed our biggest opponent
(10:34):
of the world.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So that's what we've done.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And the elites in this country have gotten very rich,
and all the offshoring and all the rest of it
that's gone with it. Trump was the first one who
came out and said, because I remember even early in
the Trump presidency, there was all this trade wars lead
to real wars, and like, we can't do anything about China,
and there was a recognition that China's.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Already fighting a trade war against us.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Basically, China already is cheating in all kinds of ways
in terms of trade, not just with US, but with
a lot of other countries as well. Never mind the
intellectual property theft and all the things that they're doing.
So it just went from being a one way trade
ward to well we'll start doing some stuff back right. Yeah,
punching back was treated like no, no, that's terrible. Let
(11:16):
the bully just keep punching you. And Trump turned that
whole thinking around that. I think he deserves a lot.
He deserves a lot of credit for that. Notice Biden administration,
if you ask people that are big, you know, China
policy followers and analysts, Biden administration hasn't really broken that
much with Trump policy visa v.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
China.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Now, the kind of kept some of this stuff going,
and you'd say, maybe that's because it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
The initial issue with China was they wanted to say
and I think this is why the movies is such
a great metaphor, because they would say, okay, if you
want to release I don't know, the new Fast and
the Furious movie. I think there's been like Fury Fast
in the Furious movies and they all make like a
billion dollars. They would say, remember when John Cena got
in trouble for saying that the movie debuted in Taiwan
(12:03):
and he had to issue an abject public apology. For
those of you who don't know John Cena, former WWE wrestler,
now action movie star.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
But they make you grovel.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So they moved from hey, okay, hey Hollywood, we're just
going to change some things in your movies in order
to air them here.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
And Hollywood said, yeah, we'll take your money, We'll do
whatever else.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
And then it's a great metaphor because they have then
established externally that they expect the world to be ruled
by Chinese values. And there's a big difference between Hey,
if you're going to come into our country, we're going
to require this, and what has been the outgrowth of that,
which is now Chinese values and more as we expect
to apply everywhere. And the NBA got caught up in
(12:43):
this because the NBA, the guy says he believes in
Hong Kong freedom right, basic human rights for people from
Hong Kong, and every NBA player refused to say a
word because China was paying them so much money.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And it's like Hollywood, It's like.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The NBA, the almighty dollar has overwhelmed and we've asked
this question Buck, and I think it's a fascinating one.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Everybody immediately pulled out of.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Russia, right, Oh, We're not going to have any All
American business basically pulled out of Russia.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
We couldn't do that to China.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
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They can't.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
China has so much economic power they could invade Taiwan
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What Russia has our assets that are effectively commodities that
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Clay Travis and Buck Sex Tonight voices of sanity in
an Insane world, so we have here.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Look, it's a TMZ scoring, so take that for what
it's meaning. But it is reported on TMZ right now,
and uh, Megan Kelly retweeted it, so it's rocketing around
the Twitter sphere or x. I guess now that Donald
Trump may join the next Republican debate. And this is
(16:07):
based on a secret Service inspection of the venue that
has occurred. Now, a couple of things are one. This
seems very preliminary, so I don't think this is in
any way a confirmation, and it wouldn't it be the
most Trump thing ever if he's like, I'll inspect it
just so everyone thinks he's gonna go and he's like, nah,
I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I'm gonna win anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I have to say, Clay, I don't I don't think
if I were a Trump advisor right now, I think
I think you just you're running in the general. Basically
you're running against Joe Biden and the Democrats, and showing
up at a debate. People can say that they think
it's you know, it's cowardly, and they don't agree with it.
That's but if you're just talking about what will help
him win, why would he show up at the debate.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I hope he does.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Because it'd be fun, but it would be far more
entertaining and I think probably far more enlightening if he
were there. And if he did decide to show up
at debate, it might be that he says, hey, now
it's down to three or four people on the state age,
so there's less of a cacophony, like these are the finalists.
I want to demonstrate that I'm better than them. To me,
if he showed up, it would be a sign that
(17:09):
he's a little bit nervous about his standing in Iowa,
New Hampshire, because if you skip the first one, we
have three debates so far and suddenly parachute in for
the fourth, it would be strange to me. What I
think maybe more likely happening is a secret service checking
out the venue, because Trump might go to Tuscaloosa and
have a counter rally, because there's a lot of Trump
supporters at the University of Alabama. So if he had
(17:31):
a rally outside of the debate, or even I don't
know if they'd let him in.
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Speaker 2 (18:41):
Welcome back in that is Raymond Arroyo seeing Christmas tunes.
I saw you last night, Raymond at the fabulous Patriot Awards.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I thought they'd did a really good job.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I also beautiful and I'm excited to share this with
my youngest son. You have a new book coming out,
The Magnifice sent mischief of Tad Lincoln, and Tad was
you can tell us on this. I mean the Lincoln
family obviously very very sad. Yeah, but Tad was the
(19:12):
youngest of the Lincoln boys, if I remember correctly, who
was living in the White House during the Civil War.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, you're the big Civil War buff. Yeah, you know
that's right, because Tad was the youngest son of Abraham Lincoln.
And I for years covered the White House turkey part
in which people will remember. You see it on TV
all the time. Yeah, they bring two birds out. Biden
will will no doubt pardon the bird or whoever's in
the audience. I guess he doesn't know who's party, but
(19:37):
assuming he does, he follows protocol. They bring two turkeys out,
he pardons one of them or both of them. I
didn't realize what the origins of this war, and years
ago somebody in the Trump White House told me it
was JFK Or Truman who started the tradition. So I
did a deep dive and discovered no, it was Tad
Lincoln and Abraham Lincoln. And the back story was so
(20:01):
moving to me. And it really is about how a
child allowed to be a child and be a boy
and knock things over and have mishaps and create mischief,
which Tad Lincoln did in the White House. He would
hitch a goat to a dining room chair and gallop
through the east room. He dug up the rose garden.
All of that's in the book, but it really is
(20:21):
about how a child has the capacity to save a
father in many ways. And it's about how Tad Lincoln
was the touchstone of normalcy and joy in a healthscape
that Lincoln was living in, literally with a war crowding
around him and a child whom he just lost in
the White House. It's a story of finding hope in
(20:42):
dark places and finding light even where you least expect it,
right in your family. And I thought this was a
story worth telling and historic moment that we've lost sight
of because people don't realize where that turkey pardon came from.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, can you tell us? Let me by the way,
when we talk about the turkey pardon? Not my brain
now always goes to build a blasio with ponk Satanni
phil gopher that he dropped and killed killed him. Yeah,
the worst mayor of New York ever killed the gopher
for Groundhog Day. And I think it was a metaphor
for what he was doing in New York City. I'm
(21:17):
just putting that out there.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
But anyway, well, thank goodness, mister Lincoln had a better
track record. I'll tell you the quick story and the
book The Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln captures this. And
I don't consider these children's books. I consider them family
reads because they're written for the whole family to encounter together,
and adults will learn as much or more than the kids.
But what happened is when Willie, the middle son of
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Abraham Lincoln, dies in the White House, Tad Lincoln and
Abraham Lincoln become inseparable. He takes his son to review
the troops. He goes with him to Richmond. After the war.
Tad sleeps next to his father and watches him give
pardons to all these people who come to the White
House asking for forgiveness, and he absorbs the well. As
(22:01):
Christmas approaches, a turkey is brought to the White House.
Tad befriends the turkey, puts it on a leash, teaches
the tricks, and then Christmas Eve comes and the White
House chef collects Jack the bird and takes him to
the kitchen. Tad Lincoln totally freaks out, grabs the turkey,
runs upstairs to his father in tears and begs him
to extend a pardon to his bird, to his turkey,
(22:25):
and Abraham Lincoln gives his son Tad that pardon. That
is the first White House turkey pardon and the beginning
of this beautiful national tradition. But you know, when I've
seen it for years, it's kind of a goofy affair.
Now you realize the backstory, and it really is a study,
and it's an insight into Lincoln's mind. He saw Thanksgiving,
(22:46):
which Lincoln put on the calendar, by the way, as
a national holiday in eighteen sixty three, the same year
he pardons to Tad's turkey. He saw it as a
time of forgiveness, mercy to those in your family and commune,
and leading to a source of unity for the country. Boy,
do we need that today, guys?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I mean, I'm just wondering, is that the first? Is
that the first ever time? I've never heard of somebody
having a pet turkey before me?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Neither, No, I didn't, but apparently, you know, I guess
when the poor boys alone in the house. It was
the goat and the turkey that arrived that was it.
So he took what he had and used it. But
the fact that he trained the thing put it on
a leash. And by the way, that turkey would continue
to live with the Lincolns for another couple of years.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
But you'll never look at a christ You'll never look
at a Thanksgiving turkey in quite the same way. It
just helps put I love origin stories, I mean, and
the whole this whole musical adventure I've been on. I
dug into all of these Christmas carols and discovered the
backstories of them, and it just blew my mind. We
totally misunderstand so much of the things that we just
(23:55):
take for granted and do.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Give us an example on a song that we don't
understand that everybody you will have heard that we play
all the time during Christmas.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well, the biggest one, the most popular song of Christmas
probably jingle Bells. How many times have we heard jingle
bells are a sung it ourselves and you think, oh,
this is a happy Christmas song about bells ringing in
the snow. Right wrong. James Lord Pierpont wrote the song.
He wrote it in a tavern, guys, and it was
in the eighteen sixties eighteen fifties. A bar made a
(24:27):
test that he wrote it at a tavern. He was
swilling down the rum that they made in Medford, Massachusetts.
But here's the deal. When he snowed in Medford down
Main Street, they would drag race sleighs down the middle
of town. So and this guy, James Lord Pierpont, was
a notorious skirt taser. He ran after women no matter
where he traveled. When you break the song down, when
(24:48):
you realize the context and you look at the lyrics
a new you realize it is really a girl chasing,
drag racing, drinking song. I'm sorry to report that that's
what it is. So when I went into the studio
with Kevin Costa, the guy who arranged The Greatest Showman
and Jungle Book and Lion King for Disney, he rearranged
all these songs and we used that research to govern
(25:11):
the direction in which we would proceed, both in arrangements
and my performance on the album. So Our jingle Bells
is a little randy, it's a little bumpy and wild,
but it gives new context. And look, it's not all that.
There's some tender songs. I Heard the Bells, which was
written by Longfellow. He lost his wife just before Christmas.
His son came home from the Civil War nearly paralyzed,
(25:34):
and he hears bells down the street, and he gives
him hope. He finds new life in the hope of
those bells and what they promise. And then he wrote
this poem, I heard the Bells on Christmas Day, their
old familiar carol's play, and it goes on and on.
But we tried to capture all the emotions of Christmas,
but restore these songs to their real contexts, their real origins.
(25:58):
And you know, it's both carols that have been with
us for centuries and even modern classics. Jose Feliciano, Jose,
can we do a Boston over treatment of the song?
He agreed to do that. We did it on the album.
It's been at the top of Billboard's charts for weeks
and weeks, and I'm just look, I'm delighted the audience.
He obviously hears something new here and yet something very familiar.
(26:20):
And I love that.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
We're speaking of Raymond Arroyo about his book The magnificent
Mischief of Tad Lincoln and he's also got the album
and tour going on. Where can people go to learn
more about the tour if they want to see you
in person?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Christmas, Mary and Bright is the name of the album.
The tour is happening. We open in Phoenix on November
twenty fifth, Thanksgiving weekend, then more in Dallas at the
House of Blues. Jose Feliciano is with me there. We
go to Tampa Cleveland, we end the tour, play and
you're coming a buck. You have to come into town
for this too. The Ryman Auditorium December twenty first, Jose Feliciano,
(26:54):
the Big Band and me and we have special guest stars.
Go to Raymondarroyo Christmas dot com. Raymond Royal Christmas dot
com is the address. I cannot wait to see everybody there.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sounds fantastic.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Can I just we We've got all these people now
are going to be going to check out your tour
dates and buying your books.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
But I want to cause some trouble for you. Raymond.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
The best go ahead, the best and worst Thanksgiving sides.
And I'm I'm I'm not We're not pulling any punches here.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Okay, the best and worst I think personally the worst
is probably Cranberry sauce.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I hang up on it, hang up, I'm buying.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I like all the stuffing we have Oyster dressing in
New Orleans and Meloton dressing, odd things you probably don't
have elsewhere. So those are my favorite. My favorite Oyster
dressing and Meloton dressing, which Meloton's kind of a squash
or green squash that grows and buy your country. But
I never you know, I like fresh cranberry sauce, but
so often it's that canned thing and it comes, you know,
(27:53):
it looks like a little power there.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
We are losing our Cranberry sponsor right now, Clay.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We just endorsprin Big Cranberry, and then you just come
on and just immediately decapit.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I loved it. I just I just I'm the form
of that, the solid gelatine form of that thing, like
a little barrel oil barrel there, a red oil barrel.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It kind of scares me, Raymond.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
We had just won over Big Cranberry and then you
just totally Tanya Harding our Nancy Carrigan Cranberry dream here
just ran right in hit us, right, and the kneecap,
We're done if you.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Put it in the middle of the stuffing, particular particularly
oyster stuffing.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'm sure I was hoping. I was hoping that throw
What is it? What is the one that they love
in the South?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is it? Is it? Green bean casserole?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Is the Thanksgiving side that's so popular in the South
that doesn't exist anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Naughty list. I don't like that, damn green bean.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm very anti green bean, so we're not going to
get a green bean sponsorship. I think green beans probably
the most overrated of all the vegetable group. I hate
green beans like I won't eat a mouth and.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
The Christmas what do they call that? Stupid fruitcake?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I also anti fruitcake?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Oh? That stuff is like eating sawdust and grit. I
don't know what it is, but it's it's old. It
should never be consumed by human beings. Give that to animals.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Well, if you want to get on the holiday spirit, everybody,
check out Raymond's book and check out his tour. The
Magnificent Mischief of Tad Lincoln is the book that the
album One More Time.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Raymond, Christmas, Mary and Bright go to Raymond Royal Christmas
dot com. All the details are there. Please come see
me on the world. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Happy Holiday, Christmas, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there as
we get ready to roll in holiday's.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Merry Christmas to both of you and everybody.
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Listening, no doubt at all.
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Speaker 3 (31:52):
Closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for the weekend.
Apparently we just got a phone call in Clay from
a very nice woman who used to cut my hair
when I was in great school. So we got an
audience that listens, you know, stretching way back when to
coast to coast, all over the country, all over the US,
including back in my hometown of New York City. Uh yeah,
(32:13):
her name was. Her name is Kim, Kim the hair adresser.
Thank you for calling in. I hope I always behaved
well seated in the in the chair, and uh have
you ever gotten to truly? I will tell you I
got when I moved to Miami because I was like,
I'm just gonna go to like one of the local
places here.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't know if you could really tell.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I don't even know if people at home could really tell,
but it was one of the It was the worst
haircut I've ever gotten in my life. And it was
because they there's a very common thing here. I think
it's called I don't know if it's a fade or
they like shave around your head and then sort of
faded in to the rest of your hair. And I basically,
like the back of my head six months ago was effective.
(32:51):
People couldn't see it when I went on TV whatever,
but it was shaved like it was almost all the
way all the way down. It was a very Miami haircut,
so you got to be careful. You don't know what
you're getting into. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
My wife is still fired up about the haircut I
got for the day before our wedding.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You had some pretty funky haircuts back then.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I had some wacky haircuts over the years, But my.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
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circa nineteen ninety eight where people started doing like long hair,
like guys did long hairs but center part and behind
they'd put their hair behind that.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I did a lot of the ear tuck long hair
hair tuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My my wife said, first
of all, she was like, don't get your haircut because
I go to and I'm probably gonna lose some more
sponsors here somewhere. I go a lot to like great clips,
and you know, like the I pay like twenty dollars
for a haircut. I don't go to like fancy haircut places. Typically,
(33:46):
I'll just go into you know, mall place, mastercuts, whatever
these places are called. And the day before my wedding,
I went, and my wife, if she were here right
now and grabbed them mind would describe it as the
worst haircut that any groom has ever gotten in the
history of a wedding probably And it was a real
(34:07):
bowl cut, like the bowl cut that little.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Boys get, you know, like when this whole website right
didn't we actually didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
We did find my phot.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
My senior year class photo is is an exercise in
in in wackiness. The boys, my three boys, and my
wife at one point all had as their backdrop, you know,
the picture on their on their iPads or their screens,
my senior year class photo. But this, uh, this photo,
the haircut that I got was awful. Her mom went
(34:37):
with me and we got back. She was like, just
how did you let this happen? Like what were you
thinking that you allowed this haircut to occur? So all
the all the wedding photos she considers to be ruined
because of my bowl cut.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
That how is How is training your oldest son to
drive going?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I have to tell you, uh, it is. It is
maybe the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my life,
is parent.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Why don'd you just hire a driving instructor? First of all,
I don't know how. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I think we do have a driving instructor, but he
has to have two hundred miles of instruction before the
driving instructor will take him. So we're in the process
of working our way towards two hundred miles and the
roundabout is terrifying. Also the number of people that will
be unhappy because we're not driving very fast, you know,
(35:27):
and they like drive by and you see him like
looking back at you and.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Sort of like a placard you can put in your
rear window that's student driver.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, it would help because I'll look down he's like, man, Dad,
we're going really fast, and like we're going eighteen all right,
we're going eighteen miles an hour, buddy, you can step it.
Up a little bit, but uh, but yeah, it's It
is the most nerve wracking thing I have done as
a parent. And I'm not even sure what the co
Maybe maybe the actual birth. Watching the actual birth the
second most nerve racking, but the from a parenting.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Perspective, this is terrifying.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean, I can tell you puppy training is coming along.
It's really rough. The puppy wakes carry up every morning
at six o'clock in the morning to go play and
take it outside and stuff. I probably should take over
some of that duty myself, but so far Carrie's been
handling it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Not a surprise to anybody. She's much more on it
than I am.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But the problem with trying to train the puppy is
that they're very cute and mischievous, and they want to
do things that you don't want them to do. But
then they just look at you with the puppy eyes,
play and then.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
When do you do work? By the way, I'll be
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