November 27, 2024 • 34 mins
We dug into the archives to honor Rush’s cherished tradition of re-telling the true story of Thanksgiving, in two parts. Callers react to hearing Rush again.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's heard on News.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Talk eleven and ninety nine point three WBT and Charlotte,
North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Please welcome Brett Winterble filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And it is a pleasure to be here with you
on this auspicious occasion, Thanksgiving. And you know, when you
think back about all the Thanksgivings you've experienced, you think
about the people who had the biggest impacts on your life,
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And certainly one of the biggest impacts in my life
was Rush. And I thought it would be very fitting
to be the person to get to do this in
this in this way, I want to go to eleven,
twenty seven nineteen, So that's November twenty seven, twenty nineteen,
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and it is Rush Limbaugh telling the story of Thanksgiving,
Part one, the journey.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Find what you were taught about Thanksgiving that I was
taught a version that goes like this. The pilgrim showed
up and they were incompetence. They were well intentioned, good
hearted people in common, they didn't know how to do anything,
and they were stumbling and bumbling around in a foreign place.
They had no idea even where they were. And as
they're on the verge of starvation, the Indians stumbled across them,
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across them and showed them how to basically live, gave
them everything, showed them how to grow crops and kill
turkey and build tepees and stuff. And so the pilgrim survived,
and that we were giving thanks. That thanksgiving is to
acknowledge the Indians role in saving the first Pilgrims, not
to quaint story. And it has attached itself to a
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number of people, but it is nothing to do. Well,
I can't say that it's nothing to do, but it
is very far removed from what the first Thanksgiving is
really a thanksgiving. George Washington first proclaimed it thanksgiving. Well,
who was thanking who for what? That's the root of
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the error. The root of it is that the Pilgrims
must have been giving thanks to the Indians for saving them.
That's not what the Pilgrims were thankful for. As you
will soon hear, the story of the Pilgrims begins in
the early part of the seventeenth century sixteen hundreds for
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those of you in Rio London, the Church of England
under King James the first was secuting anyone and everyone
who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority.
The first Pilgrims were Christian rebels, folks. Those who challenged
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King james ecclesiastical authority and those who believe strongly in
freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed
for their religious beliefs. In England in the sixteen hundreds,
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a group of separatists Christians who didn't want to buy
into the Church of England or living under the living
of the rule of King James fled to Holland and
established a community among themselves there for eleven years. After
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eleven years, about forty of them, having heard about this
new world Christopher Columbus and discovered forty of them decided
to go. Forty of them agreed to make a perilous
journey to what was called a new world, where they
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knew they would face hardships, but the reason they did
it so they could live and worship God according to
their own beliefs and consciences. On the first of August
sixteen twenty, the Mayflower set sail one hundred and two passengers,
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forty of them Pilgrims. Now known as Pilgrims. They were
led by a man named William Bradford. Now on the journey,
William Bradford set up an agreement, a contract that established
how they would live once they got there. Tract set
forth just and equal laws for all members of the
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new community, irrespective of political or religious beliefs. The revolutionary
ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact are derived straight from
the Bible. The Pilgrims were a devoutly religious people, completely
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steeped in lessons about the Old and New Testaments, among others.
They looked at the ancient Israelites for examples, and because
of the biblical precedence set forth in scripture, they never
doubted that their experiment would work. They believed in God.
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They believe they were in the hands of God. As
you know, is not a pleasure cruise. The journey to
the New World on a tiny by today's standage ship
sailing ship. It was long, it was arduous, There was sickness,
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there was seasickness. It was cold, it was wet, the
exact opposite of anything you think of today as a
cruise on the open ocean. When they landed in New
England in November, they found, according to William Bradford's journal,
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a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to
greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them.
There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. There
was nothing. The sacrifice they made for freedom was just beginning.
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During the first winter, half of the pilgrims, including William
Bradford's own wife, died either starvation, sickness, or exposure. They
endured that first winter. When spring finally came, they had
by that time met the indigenous peoples, the Indians, and
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the Indians indeed taught settlers how to plant corn, how
to fish, how to skin beavers and other animals for coats,
and life improved, but there wasn't any prosperity. They did
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not yet prosper They were still dependent, they were still confused.
They were still in a new place, essentially alone among
like minded people. Now it's important to understand all this
because this is where the modern American history lessons often end.
Thanksgiving is explained that a lot of textbooks as a
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holiday for which the pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians
for saving their lives instead of what it really was.
Now that happened. Don't misunderstand that all happened, but that's
not from William Bradford's own journal. What they ultimately gave thanks.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
For that is a rush. Part one the journey coming
up in just a little bit. We'll get to the
part of part two, the Plymouth Colony. This is such
an important piece of American history, but really, broadly speaking,
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that the history of all of us. Without without this
charting that we're seeing, we wouldn't we wouldn't know this story.
And it's it's a special special thing to hear this,
especially in his voice, with his with his style.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Including references to Rio Linda. You know, not to not.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
To take this to any much of a silly place,
but there are some very strange Thanksgiving traditions that exist
out there. Turkey bowling. Did you ever hear about turkey bowling?
It involves using a frozen turkey as a bowling ball
and soda bottles as pins. Started in Newport Newport Beach,
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California and has become a fun, albeit unusual Thanksgiving activity.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Turkey bowling.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
How about turkey tossing? They have that in Indianapolis, Indiana.
People dress turkeys and baby onesies douse them in light
lighter fluid and then throw them across a football field.
It's bizarre, but it's entertaining. It's just amazing how the
how the society evolves. Then you've got frozen turkey bowling
at the University of Wisconsin lacrosse. They they have an
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annual event where people bowl with rosen turkeys, a quirky
way to raise money to combat smoking. And then, of course,
we have as everybody knows, we see it, we saw
it last week, and that is the presidential turkey pardon.
Since the nineteen forties, the presidents have been pardoning turkeys,
sparing it from becoming dinner. The turkey is then sent
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to live out its stays at Mount Vernon, George Washington's
former estate, have turkey eating competitions. Some people will sit
back and eat turkey, trying to eat as much of
a twenty pound turkey as possible. My gosh, you're going
to sleep for another six months. Thanksgiving masking, how about that?
You heard of that one? In the nineteenth century, people
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would dress up in costumes and masks on Thanksgiving, similar
to Halloween. The tradition eventually evolved.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Into ragamuffin day. Whoever heard of ragamuffin Day? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And then finally, for your consideration, pi throwing because you
can eat the pie or you can throw the pie.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Pie throwing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Some families have a tradition of throwing pies at each
other after the Thanksgiving meal, leading to a fun and
messy dessert fight.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Why are you doing that that? That's one.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's one that I'm just I'm out on. I would
be one hundred percent out on that whole deal. Coming
up bottom of the hour, second part of Rush, and
of course the story of Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm Brett Winterval. You're listening to the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Back after this, Clay TRAVISI you are happy Thanksgiving from
all of us at the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And I am Brett Witavile in for Clay and Buck today.
It is great to be with you.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Our telephone number, taking your phone calls eight hundred two
two two eight A two and a big round of
applause for the great people who are making this happen today,
Greg and Ali and Mike Maimon. It's just great to
be here. Let's go and talk to Lisa next in Huntsville, Alabama. Lisa,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Hey, thank you, Wen, Happy Thanksgiving. And I just want
to really thank you for sharing these words from Rush
that we can use at our Thanksgiving dinner table with
our family to remind them that Thanksgiving is a long
standing tradition, not just some American fake holiday. Thank you
for sharing what was one of what is one of
the best stories from the Rush Limbaught Institute of Advanced
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Conservative Studies, the Thanksgiving story. And while we're talking about
the traditions of the holidays, I also hope that maybe
we can get the tradition of listening to some Mannheim
Steamroller Christmas music because that was always a huge tradition
for Rush, and my heart was a little broken when
it ended with his passing. So maybe Clay and Buck
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can figure out who they are and play some music
for us to keep up our traditions with Rush.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That you're very very kind saying that, and thank you
very much for being here, and Happy Thanksgiving. And I'm
sure that you're gonna hear some really beautiful music in
the season. It's going to be amazing. And I hope
you have a really blessed Thanksgiving thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Thank you. Oh you're very welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I look, this is what is so great because if
you think about this, right when you're listening to them
doing that reading, and you're listening to all that is
attached to that reading of the first Thanksgiving, it feels
like we're all sitting in a theater where we're all
sitting around a giant table and we're all experiencing it
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at the same time, and it's hitting every person in
a different way. There are people who probably can recite
it almost word for word, and then there are people
who are hearing it for the first time and they're
driving around going, WHOA, that's incredible. I can't wait to
hear the second part of this. It's going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And that that's the thing that's that's always awesome. It's
always awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Because there's an edification that comes from from from learning
not just information, but from learning good information.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Edification is like helping to build out yourself, right, app
helping to be a stronger person, and so we get
smarter and we get to think about this and it's
it's one of the great things, especially at this stage
of the day, right because everyone is either getting their
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preparations ready for for Thanksgiving. People are driving to the store,
they're going to the market, they're coming back, they're getting
set up. They're getting their their kids from school or
or the ski kids are already and you know, out
of school. And then you've got the college kids that
are coming home and all this sort of stuff and
you have like sort of an interesting conversation you get
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to have at the table talking about this. Now, look,
there's also the weird Thanksgiving foods, and we were kind
of talking about this off the air, you know, turn Ducan.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I would be willing to try it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I've not ever tried the turn ducan. It feels like
it's a big it feels like it's a very big
commitment because you are using a chicken and a duck
and a turkey. I mean, you want to talk about
like wow, and it's probably fairly dense. I'm gonna guess
jello salad. There's people that like the jello salad. You know,
they take the jello and then they mix in that
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jello vegetables like carrots and celery to create.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
A salad healthy.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
We gotta just call that healthy, right there? Boom winner
candy yams with marshmallows. A lot of staple there. The
combination of sweet potatoes and marshmallows.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Can't be divisive. It can be divisive, but that's how
it is.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
How about pickle dip or stuffing flavored ice cream?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
We got a sweet treat for you coming up? See
what I said there?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Coming up, We've got the second part of the Thanksgiving
story when they actually get to the point where it's
amazing and you're gonna hear it from Rush. I'm Brett Whitterble.
You are listening to the Clay and Buckshaw.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Please welcome back Brett Winterble, filling in for Clay and
buck and.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's great to be here today, continuing our journey courtesy
of Rush the Plymouth Colony. This is part two of
the first Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Here's the part this original contract that they made on
the Mayflower as they were traveling to the New World.
They actually had to enter into that contract with merchant
sponsors in London because they had no money on their own.
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They needed sponsors, and that they found merchants in London
to sponsor them. The merchants in London were making an
investment and as such, the pilgrims agreed that everything they
produced would go into a common store or bank common account.
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Each member of the community was entitled to one common
share in this bank, and out of this the merchants
would be repaid until they were paid off. All the
land that they cleared and all the houses they ultimately
build would belong to the community as well. Everything belonged
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to everybody, and everybody had one share in it. They
were going to distribute everything equally. That was thought to
be the epitome of fairness, sharing the hardship, burdens and
all that. Nobody owned anything, they just had a share
in it. It was a commune essentially, and it was
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the forerunner of the communes we saw in the sixties
and seventies in California and other parts of the country.
And it was complete. They had organic vegetables. By the way, Bradford,
who had become the new governor of this colony, recognized
that it wasn't working, It was costly, and it was destructive.
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His own journals chronicle the reasons it didn't work. Bradford
assigned a plot of land to fix this to each
family to work and manage as their own. He got
rid of the whole commune structure and assigned plots of
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land to each family to work and manage. And whatever
they made, however much they made, was theirs. They could
sell it, they could share it, they could keep it,
whatever they wanted to do. What really happened they turned
loose the power of a free market after enduring months
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and months of hardship, first on the Mayflower and then
getting settled, and then the failure of the common account
from which everybody got. There was no incentive for anybody
to do anything. And as is human nature, some of
the pilgrims are a bunch of lazy twerps, and others
busted their rere ins, but it didn't matter, because even
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the people that weren't very industrious got the same as
everybody else. And Bradford wrote about how this just wasn't working.
What Bradford and his community found, I'm going to use
his basically his own words, the most creative and industrious
people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else.
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While most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over one hundred years, trying
to refine it and perfect it and reinvent it. The
Pilgrims decided early on. William Bradford decided to scrap it
permanently because it brought out the worst in human nature.
It emphasized laziness. It created resentment because in every group
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of people, you've got your self starters, and you've got
your hard workers, and you've got your lazy twerbs and
so forth, and there was no difference at the end
of the day. The resentment sprang up on both sides.
So Bradford wrote about this for this community, so far
as it was was found to breed much confusion and
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discontent and retard much employment that would have been to
their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most
able and fit for labor and service, did repine that
they should spend their time and strength to work for
other men's wives and children without any recompense, without any payment.
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That was thought injustice. Why should you work for other
people when you can't even work for yourself? What's the point.
The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to
do their best work without any incentive. So what did
Bradford's community try next? They harnessed the power of good
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old free enterprise, they invoked the undergirding capitalistic principle of
private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of
line and work, and permitted to market its own crops
and products. And you know what happened. This had very
good success, wrote Bradford, For it made everybody industrious. So
as much more corn was planted than would have been.
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Is it possible supply side economics could have existed before
the nineteen eighties. In no time, the Pilgrims found they
had more food than they could eat themselves. Now this
is where it gets really good if you're laboring under
any misconception that I was as I was taught in school.
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They set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians.
The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to
the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of
the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and becan what became
known as the Great Puritan Migration. The word of the
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success of the free enterprise Plymouth colony spread like wildfire,
and that began the Great Migration. Everybody wanted a part
of it. There was no mass slaughtering of the Indians.
There was no wiping out of the indigenous people, and eventually,
in William Bradford's own journal, unleashing the industriousness of all
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hands ended up producing more than they could ever need themselves.
So trading posts began selling an exchanging thing with the
and the Indians, by the way, were very helpful. Puritan
kids had relationships with the children of the Native Americans
that they found this killing the Indigenous people stuff. This
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this they're they're talking about, much much, much, much later,
has nothing to do with the first thing. The first
Thanksgiving was William Bradford and Plymouth Colony thanking God for
their blessings. That's the first Thanksgiving. Nothing wrong with being
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grateful to the Indians, thought missus Nan. But the true
meaning of Thanksgiving. And this is what George Washington recognized
in his first Thanksgiving proclamation.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And that is the real story. So when you sit
down to your meal tomorrow and the leftovers and the
family is talking to you and saying, well, you know,
this is really the worst thing ever. You now know
you have been immunized in the best possible way because
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you understand the full story. My name is Brett Winterble.
I'm in for Clay and Buck, we're gonna get a
break in. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And I am Bretwitable in for Clay and Buck. Thanks
so much to Claim Buck for having me in here today.
It's a real pleasure and I am very very grateful
to get to spend time with this incredible audience.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Thanks so much for that.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Let's go out and talk to Ken, who's part of
the audience in Southeast Michigan.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Ken, Welcome to the show. What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I just wanted to share with you that I'm very
grateful that I discovered years ago Rush Limbaugh because thanks
to the education I got from Rush, he transformed me
from someone who at the time was an atheist, someone
who embraced the Communist manifesto. And what that does is
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leads you to serve it to to the government. And
I became a Christian who embraces the free market system
and capitalism, which leads you to freedom. And I think
it's important for people to understand the difference between being
a servant, a slave subject to the government, and a
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person who is free, and I think Russia Limbaugh for
the education I got.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Okay, that is fantastic. I mean that is a huge,
huge tip of the hat to him. So here's the
question I would have for you, because I think a
lot of people in the audience would be curious about this.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
When did it click? When did it click for you?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Where you said, you know what, I'm not that anymore,
I'm this What was the thing that took you to
that place?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
When I studied world history and I discovered that the
end result of any nation that follows the belief system
of the Democrat Party, the teachings of socialism, communism, Marxism,
is what we saw with the Soviet Union, I said,
wait a minute. And as they did more studying, I
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realized that if you want to be free, that requires
hard work. And that's how I realized that everything that
I had been told was wrong. Think of it this way,
I simplified it. If the nation was a automobile, everything
that socialism, communism, Marxism teaches is equivalent to soda pop
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and the opposite is premium gasoline. People, poor gasoline in
your nation's gas tank, and you'll be a free citizen.
But if you poor sort of pop, you'll just draw
your nation and you'll be a servant to the government.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Outstanding, outstanding. That's a great that's a great revelation from
you and I and I'm so happy that you called
in today, Ken, and thank you so much. I wish
you a very wonderful blessed Thanksgiving, and certainly don't be
a stranger a claim. Buck, come on back and say hi,
that is such a great call, really really really magnificent.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Thank you so much for being out there today.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Let's head on over and check in with Michael on
I twenty six in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What's on your mind today, Michael.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
Hey, gret, I want to say, first of all, you're
doing a great job of filling in in Rush's Shoes
Clan Bucks show, and I like their show, but you
do a better job of staying kind of weaving the
topics together like Rush use I do so well.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Every look, everybody's got a different sort of style.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well right, But but the thing is, you know, when
I'm when I'm when I'm putting together my show, one
of the things I do a lot is is listening
to to Clay and Buck because they they have this
ability you know when when you're when you're broadcasting uh
as a twosome versus a one someom, what's really cool
is to get the different sort of perspectives. And so
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I think I think that that they they do a
tremendous service, especially when they're able to break down these
things like when you go back to the interviews that
they did with with now now President Trump, uh, but
when he was a candidate, uh in this last run,
they were able to get so much great information uh
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with with with him, and that is attributable.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Let's be honest about this.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That is attributable because it's two people that are able
to kind of dance this sort of waltz, right, and
it's it's tricky at times to do that. So this
is absolutely a high honor for me to get to
spend time with this incredible audience. It's a smart audience,
and it is it is a group of people that
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that I think we'll see through a lot of the
nonsense that comes our way. And and by the way,
while we're while we're on this on this point, for
just a just a couple of moments here, one thing
I want to do is to is to say to
you You're going to be meeting people from time to
time who are going to disagree with the way you
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you think right, You're you're going to be there, maybe
this weekend coming up tomorrow with Thanksgiving, and then you
might be you might be with a group of people
over the course of the weekend before you travel back
home or or they travel back home. Effective persuasion. Effective
persuasion involves just a couple of things, okay it It
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involves the ability to listen to what the other person
is saying and then with good cheer and a desire
to help them become a better debater.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You can do this for folks.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think people believe too much in a zero sum
game where I have to win only by destroying you
or you have to win only by destroying me.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
When you talk to people in the.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Left, many of them will refuse to acknowledge even basic
precepts about Christianity, faith, traditions, the economy, how people are
allowed and should be allowed to take care of themselves
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and give stuff to their families right in a charitable way.
This is a great, great opportunity to do it in
an incredibly civil way where you are able to start
to work this process on them, but don't browbeat them.
If you browbeat them, it's like clapping your hands while
you're trying to go out hunting and you're trying to
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sneak up on a deer or a turkey. Right, perhaps
you want to approach smartly and quietly, and if they
get agitated, if they get louder and louder, get quieter
and quieter, because it's a very effective way to defeat
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an argument that if they're yelling about it, it means
they know they're not confident in what they're selling to you.
I want to thank so many great people here who
allowed me to come in here today. Greg did incredible
stuff on the screening, and of course Ali did incredible
stuff on the helming, and Mike Meimoon with the controls
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there at this incredible operation, and Clay and Buck. You
could not get a better duo. It's incredible. It is
my pleasure to be here. I am thankful for you
in so many ways. And I hope and I hope
you have an incredible weekend. I hope you have an
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incredible Thanksgiving. Not a thanksgetting. The getting comes at Christmas
and Hanukkah. Do the thanksgiving and you'll get the thanksgetting
in your heart. I am Brent Woitterble. Follow me on
Twitter at winterbal Show. It's been a pleasure to be
with you here today. You're listening to the Clay and
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Buck Show.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's heard on News.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Talk eleven and ninety nine point three WBT and Charlotte,
North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Please welcome Brett Winterble filling in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And it is a pleasure to be here with you
on this auspicious occasion, Thanksgiving. And you know, when you
think back about all the Thanksgivings you've experienced, you think
about the people who had the biggest impacts on your life,
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And certainly one of the biggest impacts in my life
was Rush. And I thought it would be very fitting
to be the person to get to do this in
this in this way, I want to go to eleven,
twenty seven nineteen, So that's November twenty seven, twenty nineteen,
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and it is Rush Limbaugh telling the story of Thanksgiving,
Part one, the journey.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Find what you were taught about Thanksgiving that I was
taught a version that goes like this. The pilgrim showed
up and they were incompetence. They were well intentioned, good
hearted people in common, they didn't know how to do anything,
and they were stumbling and bumbling around in a foreign place.
They had no idea even where they were. And as
they're on the verge of starvation, the Indians stumbled across them,
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across them and showed them how to basically live, gave
them everything, showed them how to grow crops and kill
turkey and build tepees and stuff. And so the pilgrim survived,
and that we were giving thanks. That thanksgiving is to
acknowledge the Indians role in saving the first Pilgrims, not
to quaint story. And it has attached itself to a
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number of people, but it is nothing to do. Well,
I can't say that it's nothing to do, but it
is very far removed from what the first Thanksgiving is
really a thanksgiving. George Washington first proclaimed it thanksgiving. Well,
who was thanking who for what? That's the root of
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the error. The root of it is that the Pilgrims
must have been giving thanks to the Indians for saving them.
That's not what the Pilgrims were thankful for. As you
will soon hear, the story of the Pilgrims begins in
the early part of the seventeenth century sixteen hundreds for
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those of you in Rio London, the Church of England
under King James the first was secuting anyone and everyone
who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority.
The first Pilgrims were Christian rebels, folks. Those who challenged
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King james ecclesiastical authority and those who believe strongly in
freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed
for their religious beliefs. In England in the sixteen hundreds,
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a group of separatists Christians who didn't want to buy
into the Church of England or living under the living
of the rule of King James fled to Holland and
established a community among themselves there for eleven years. After
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eleven years, about forty of them, having heard about this
new world Christopher Columbus and discovered forty of them decided
to go. Forty of them agreed to make a perilous
journey to what was called a new world, where they
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knew they would face hardships, but the reason they did
it so they could live and worship God according to
their own beliefs and consciences. On the first of August
sixteen twenty, the Mayflower set sail one hundred and two passengers,
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forty of them Pilgrims. Now known as Pilgrims. They were
led by a man named William Bradford. Now on the journey,
William Bradford set up an agreement, a contract that established
how they would live once they got there. Tract set
forth just and equal laws for all members of the
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new community, irrespective of political or religious beliefs. The revolutionary
ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact are derived straight from
the Bible. The Pilgrims were a devoutly religious people, completely
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steeped in lessons about the Old and New Testaments, among others.
They looked at the ancient Israelites for examples, and because
of the biblical precedence set forth in scripture, they never
doubted that their experiment would work. They believed in God.
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They believe they were in the hands of God. As
you know, is not a pleasure cruise. The journey to
the New World on a tiny by today's standage ship
sailing ship. It was long, it was arduous, There was sickness,
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there was seasickness. It was cold, it was wet, the
exact opposite of anything you think of today as a
cruise on the open ocean. When they landed in New
England in November, they found, according to William Bradford's journal,
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a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to
greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them.
There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. There
was nothing. The sacrifice they made for freedom was just beginning.
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During the first winter, half of the pilgrims, including William
Bradford's own wife, died either starvation, sickness, or exposure. They
endured that first winter. When spring finally came, they had
by that time met the indigenous peoples, the Indians, and
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the Indians indeed taught settlers how to plant corn, how
to fish, how to skin beavers and other animals for coats,
and life improved, but there wasn't any prosperity. They did
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not yet prosper They were still dependent, they were still confused.
They were still in a new place, essentially alone among
like minded people. Now it's important to understand all this
because this is where the modern American history lessons often end.
Thanksgiving is explained that a lot of textbooks as a
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holiday for which the pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians
for saving their lives instead of what it really was.
Now that happened. Don't misunderstand that all happened, but that's
not from William Bradford's own journal. What they ultimately gave thanks.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
For that is a rush. Part one the journey coming
up in just a little bit. We'll get to the
part of part two, the Plymouth Colony. This is such
an important piece of American history, but really, broadly speaking,
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that the history of all of us. Without without this
charting that we're seeing, we wouldn't we wouldn't know this story.
And it's it's a special special thing to hear this,
especially in his voice, with his with his style.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Including references to Rio Linda. You know, not to not.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
To take this to any much of a silly place,
but there are some very strange Thanksgiving traditions that exist
out there. Turkey bowling. Did you ever hear about turkey bowling?
It involves using a frozen turkey as a bowling ball
and soda bottles as pins. Started in Newport Newport Beach,
(09:29):
California and has become a fun, albeit unusual Thanksgiving activity.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Turkey bowling.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
How about turkey tossing? They have that in Indianapolis, Indiana.
People dress turkeys and baby onesies douse them in light
lighter fluid and then throw them across a football field.
It's bizarre, but it's entertaining. It's just amazing how the
how the society evolves. Then you've got frozen turkey bowling
at the University of Wisconsin lacrosse. They they have an
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annual event where people bowl with rosen turkeys, a quirky
way to raise money to combat smoking. And then, of course,
we have as everybody knows, we see it, we saw
it last week, and that is the presidential turkey pardon.
Since the nineteen forties, the presidents have been pardoning turkeys,
sparing it from becoming dinner. The turkey is then sent
(10:18):
to live out its stays at Mount Vernon, George Washington's
former estate, have turkey eating competitions. Some people will sit
back and eat turkey, trying to eat as much of
a twenty pound turkey as possible. My gosh, you're going
to sleep for another six months. Thanksgiving masking, how about that?
You heard of that one? In the nineteenth century, people
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would dress up in costumes and masks on Thanksgiving, similar
to Halloween. The tradition eventually evolved.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Into ragamuffin day. Whoever heard of ragamuffin Day? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And then finally, for your consideration, pi throwing because you
can eat the pie or you can throw the pie.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Pie throwing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Some families have a tradition of throwing pies at each
other after the Thanksgiving meal, leading to a fun and
messy dessert fight.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Why are you doing that that? That's one.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's one that I'm just I'm out on. I would
be one hundred percent out on that whole deal. Coming
up bottom of the hour, second part of Rush, and
of course the story of Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm Brett Winterval. You're listening to the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Back after this, Clay TRAVISI you are happy Thanksgiving from
all of us at the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And I am Brett Witavile in for Clay and Buck today.
It is great to be with you.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Our telephone number, taking your phone calls eight hundred two
two two eight A two and a big round of
applause for the great people who are making this happen today,
Greg and Ali and Mike Maimon. It's just great to
be here. Let's go and talk to Lisa next in Huntsville, Alabama. Lisa,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Hey, thank you, Wen, Happy Thanksgiving. And I just want
to really thank you for sharing these words from Rush
that we can use at our Thanksgiving dinner table with
our family to remind them that Thanksgiving is a long
standing tradition, not just some American fake holiday. Thank you
for sharing what was one of what is one of
the best stories from the Rush Limbaught Institute of Advanced
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Conservative Studies, the Thanksgiving story. And while we're talking about
the traditions of the holidays, I also hope that maybe
we can get the tradition of listening to some Mannheim
Steamroller Christmas music because that was always a huge tradition
for Rush, and my heart was a little broken when
it ended with his passing. So maybe Clay and Buck
(12:56):
can figure out who they are and play some music
for us to keep up our traditions with Rush.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
That you're very very kind saying that, and thank you
very much for being here, and Happy Thanksgiving. And I'm
sure that you're gonna hear some really beautiful music in
the season. It's going to be amazing. And I hope
you have a really blessed Thanksgiving thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Thank you. Oh you're very welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I look, this is what is so great because if
you think about this, right when you're listening to them
doing that reading, and you're listening to all that is
attached to that reading of the first Thanksgiving, it feels
like we're all sitting in a theater where we're all
sitting around a giant table and we're all experiencing it
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at the same time, and it's hitting every person in
a different way. There are people who probably can recite
it almost word for word, and then there are people
who are hearing it for the first time and they're
driving around going, WHOA, that's incredible. I can't wait to
hear the second part of this. It's going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And that that's the thing that's that's always awesome. It's
always awesome.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Because there's an edification that comes from from from learning
not just information, but from learning good information.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Edification is like helping to build out yourself, right, app
helping to be a stronger person, and so we get
smarter and we get to think about this and it's
it's one of the great things, especially at this stage
of the day, right because everyone is either getting their
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preparations ready for for Thanksgiving. People are driving to the store,
they're going to the market, they're coming back, they're getting
set up. They're getting their their kids from school or
or the ski kids are already and you know, out
of school. And then you've got the college kids that
are coming home and all this sort of stuff and
you have like sort of an interesting conversation you get
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to have at the table talking about this. Now, look,
there's also the weird Thanksgiving foods, and we were kind
of talking about this off the air, you know, turn Ducan.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I would be willing to try it.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I've not ever tried the turn ducan. It feels like
it's a big it feels like it's a very big
commitment because you are using a chicken and a duck
and a turkey. I mean, you want to talk about
like wow, and it's probably fairly dense. I'm gonna guess
jello salad. There's people that like the jello salad. You know,
they take the jello and then they mix in that
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jello vegetables like carrots and celery to create.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
A salad healthy.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
We gotta just call that healthy, right there? Boom winner
candy yams with marshmallows. A lot of staple there. The
combination of sweet potatoes and marshmallows.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Can't be divisive. It can be divisive, but that's how
it is.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
How about pickle dip or stuffing flavored ice cream?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
We got a sweet treat for you coming up? See
what I said there?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Coming up, We've got the second part of the Thanksgiving
story when they actually get to the point where it's
amazing and you're gonna hear it from Rush. I'm Brett Whitterble.
You are listening to the Clay and Buckshaw.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Please welcome back Brett Winterble, filling in for Clay and
buck and.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's great to be here today, continuing our journey courtesy
of Rush the Plymouth Colony. This is part two of
the first Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Here's the part this original contract that they made on
the Mayflower as they were traveling to the New World.
They actually had to enter into that contract with merchant
sponsors in London because they had no money on their own.
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They needed sponsors, and that they found merchants in London
to sponsor them. The merchants in London were making an
investment and as such, the pilgrims agreed that everything they
produced would go into a common store or bank common account.
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Each member of the community was entitled to one common
share in this bank, and out of this the merchants
would be repaid until they were paid off. All the
land that they cleared and all the houses they ultimately
build would belong to the community as well. Everything belonged
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to everybody, and everybody had one share in it. They
were going to distribute everything equally. That was thought to
be the epitome of fairness, sharing the hardship, burdens and
all that. Nobody owned anything, they just had a share
in it. It was a commune essentially, and it was
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the forerunner of the communes we saw in the sixties
and seventies in California and other parts of the country.
And it was complete. They had organic vegetables. By the way, Bradford,
who had become the new governor of this colony, recognized
that it wasn't working, It was costly, and it was destructive.
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His own journals chronicle the reasons it didn't work. Bradford
assigned a plot of land to fix this to each
family to work and manage as their own. He got
rid of the whole commune structure and assigned plots of
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land to each family to work and manage. And whatever
they made, however much they made, was theirs. They could
sell it, they could share it, they could keep it,
whatever they wanted to do. What really happened they turned
loose the power of a free market after enduring months
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and months of hardship, first on the Mayflower and then
getting settled, and then the failure of the common account
from which everybody got. There was no incentive for anybody
to do anything. And as is human nature, some of
the pilgrims are a bunch of lazy twerps, and others
busted their rere ins, but it didn't matter, because even
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the people that weren't very industrious got the same as
everybody else. And Bradford wrote about how this just wasn't working.
What Bradford and his community found, I'm going to use
his basically his own words, the most creative and industrious
people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else.
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While most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over one hundred years, trying
to refine it and perfect it and reinvent it. The
Pilgrims decided early on. William Bradford decided to scrap it
permanently because it brought out the worst in human nature.
It emphasized laziness. It created resentment because in every group
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of people, you've got your self starters, and you've got
your hard workers, and you've got your lazy twerbs and
so forth, and there was no difference at the end
of the day. The resentment sprang up on both sides.
So Bradford wrote about this for this community, so far
as it was was found to breed much confusion and
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discontent and retard much employment that would have been to
their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most
able and fit for labor and service, did repine that
they should spend their time and strength to work for
other men's wives and children without any recompense, without any payment.
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That was thought injustice. Why should you work for other
people when you can't even work for yourself? What's the point.
The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to
do their best work without any incentive. So what did
Bradford's community try next? They harnessed the power of good
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old free enterprise, they invoked the undergirding capitalistic principle of
private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of
line and work, and permitted to market its own crops
and products. And you know what happened. This had very
good success, wrote Bradford, For it made everybody industrious. So
as much more corn was planted than would have been.
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Is it possible supply side economics could have existed before
the nineteen eighties. In no time, the Pilgrims found they
had more food than they could eat themselves. Now this
is where it gets really good if you're laboring under
any misconception that I was as I was taught in school.
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They set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians.
The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to
the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of
the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and becan what became
known as the Great Puritan Migration. The word of the
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success of the free enterprise Plymouth colony spread like wildfire,
and that began the Great Migration. Everybody wanted a part
of it. There was no mass slaughtering of the Indians.
There was no wiping out of the indigenous people, and eventually,
in William Bradford's own journal, unleashing the industriousness of all
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hands ended up producing more than they could ever need themselves.
So trading posts began selling an exchanging thing with the
and the Indians, by the way, were very helpful. Puritan
kids had relationships with the children of the Native Americans
that they found this killing the Indigenous people stuff. This
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this they're they're talking about, much much, much, much later,
has nothing to do with the first thing. The first
Thanksgiving was William Bradford and Plymouth Colony thanking God for
their blessings. That's the first Thanksgiving. Nothing wrong with being
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grateful to the Indians, thought missus Nan. But the true
meaning of Thanksgiving. And this is what George Washington recognized
in his first Thanksgiving proclamation.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
And that is the real story. So when you sit
down to your meal tomorrow and the leftovers and the
family is talking to you and saying, well, you know,
this is really the worst thing ever. You now know
you have been immunized in the best possible way because
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you understand the full story. My name is Brett Winterble.
I'm in for Clay and Buck, we're gonna get a
break in. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And I am Bretwitable in for Clay and Buck. Thanks
so much to Claim Buck for having me in here today.
It's a real pleasure and I am very very grateful
to get to spend time with this incredible audience.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Thanks so much for that.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Let's go out and talk to Ken, who's part of
the audience in Southeast Michigan.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Ken, Welcome to the show. What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I just wanted to share with you that I'm very
grateful that I discovered years ago Rush Limbaugh because thanks
to the education I got from Rush, he transformed me
from someone who at the time was an atheist, someone
who embraced the Communist manifesto. And what that does is
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leads you to serve it to to the government. And
I became a Christian who embraces the free market system
and capitalism, which leads you to freedom. And I think
it's important for people to understand the difference between being
a servant, a slave subject to the government, and a
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person who is free, and I think Russia Limbaugh for
the education I got.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Okay, that is fantastic. I mean that is a huge,
huge tip of the hat to him. So here's the
question I would have for you, because I think a
lot of people in the audience would be curious about this.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
When did it click? When did it click for you?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Where you said, you know what, I'm not that anymore,
I'm this What was the thing that took you to
that place?
Speaker 6 (26:53):
When I studied world history and I discovered that the
end result of any nation that follows the belief system
of the Democrat Party, the teachings of socialism, communism, Marxism,
is what we saw with the Soviet Union, I said,
wait a minute. And as they did more studying, I
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realized that if you want to be free, that requires
hard work. And that's how I realized that everything that
I had been told was wrong. Think of it this way,
I simplified it. If the nation was a automobile, everything
that socialism, communism, Marxism teaches is equivalent to soda pop
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and the opposite is premium gasoline. People, poor gasoline in
your nation's gas tank, and you'll be a free citizen.
But if you poor sort of pop, you'll just draw
your nation and you'll be a servant to the government.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Outstanding, outstanding. That's a great that's a great revelation from
you and I and I'm so happy that you called
in today, Ken, and thank you so much. I wish
you a very wonderful blessed Thanksgiving, and certainly don't be
a stranger a claim. Buck, come on back and say hi,
that is such a great call, really really really magnificent.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Thank you so much for being out there today.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Let's head on over and check in with Michael on
I twenty six in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What's on your mind today, Michael.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
Hey, gret, I want to say, first of all, you're
doing a great job of filling in in Rush's Shoes
Clan Bucks show, and I like their show, but you
do a better job of staying kind of weaving the
topics together like Rush use I do so well.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Every look, everybody's got a different sort of style.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well right, But but the thing is, you know, when
I'm when I'm when I'm putting together my show, one
of the things I do a lot is is listening
to to Clay and Buck because they they have this
ability you know when when you're when you're broadcasting uh
as a twosome versus a one someom, what's really cool
is to get the different sort of perspectives. And so
(29:22):
I think I think that that they they do a
tremendous service, especially when they're able to break down these
things like when you go back to the interviews that
they did with with now now President Trump, uh, but
when he was a candidate, uh in this last run,
they were able to get so much great information uh
(29:44):
with with with him, and that is attributable.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Let's be honest about this.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That is attributable because it's two people that are able
to kind of dance this sort of waltz, right, and
it's it's tricky at times to do that. So this
is absolutely a high honor for me to get to
spend time with this incredible audience. It's a smart audience,
and it is it is a group of people that
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that I think we'll see through a lot of the
nonsense that comes our way. And and by the way,
while we're while we're on this on this point, for
just a just a couple of moments here, one thing
I want to do is to is to say to
you You're going to be meeting people from time to
time who are going to disagree with the way you
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you think right, You're you're going to be there, maybe
this weekend coming up tomorrow with Thanksgiving, and then you
might be you might be with a group of people
over the course of the weekend before you travel back
home or or they travel back home. Effective persuasion. Effective
persuasion involves just a couple of things, okay it It
(30:57):
involves the ability to listen to what the other person
is saying and then with good cheer and a desire
to help them become a better debater.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You can do this for folks.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think people believe too much in a zero sum
game where I have to win only by destroying you
or you have to win only by destroying me.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
When you talk to people in the.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Left, many of them will refuse to acknowledge even basic
precepts about Christianity, faith, traditions, the economy, how people are
allowed and should be allowed to take care of themselves
(31:55):
and give stuff to their families right in a charitable way.
This is a great, great opportunity to do it in
an incredibly civil way where you are able to start
to work this process on them, but don't browbeat them.
If you browbeat them, it's like clapping your hands while
you're trying to go out hunting and you're trying to
(32:15):
sneak up on a deer or a turkey. Right, perhaps
you want to approach smartly and quietly, and if they
get agitated, if they get louder and louder, get quieter
and quieter, because it's a very effective way to defeat
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an argument that if they're yelling about it, it means
they know they're not confident in what they're selling to you.
I want to thank so many great people here who
allowed me to come in here today. Greg did incredible
stuff on the screening, and of course Ali did incredible
stuff on the helming, and Mike Meimoon with the controls
(32:59):
there at this incredible operation, and Clay and Buck. You
could not get a better duo. It's incredible. It is
my pleasure to be here. I am thankful for you
in so many ways. And I hope and I hope
you have an incredible weekend. I hope you have an
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incredible Thanksgiving. Not a thanksgetting. The getting comes at Christmas
and Hanukkah. Do the thanksgiving and you'll get the thanksgetting
in your heart. I am Brent Woitterble. Follow me on
Twitter at winterbal Show. It's been a pleasure to be
with you here today. You're listening to the Clay and
(33:41):
Buck Show.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
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