February 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Secretary Rubio updates us on Trump foreign policy and how the U.S. will accomplish their goals. A Rush movie favorite, The Lives of Others, is a chilling example of a real police state. Trump is not a dictator. Tulsi Gabbard on her new role. Cobra Kai and Clay's dad advice to Buck.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Third hour of Clay end Buck goes right now, and
we are joined by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Mister Secretary,
I appreciate you making the time for us. A lot
going on in the world.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Let's jump right into it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
There's so much we want to ask you about the
start of this Trump administration. The domestic stuff, the executive
orders has gone a tremendous amount of focus, but the
president has an ambitious foreign policy agenda that you are
the point person for. Let's just start with if you
could set the table on Russia Ukraine and the reporting
that Trump is eager to have negotiations to end that conflict,
(00:39):
to at least bring about a ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, the great thing about working for President Trump is
there's not a lot of ambiguity. I mean, he's pretty straightforward,
and he's been campaigning and saying the war would have
never happened if he was president. I believe that to
be true. He said that yesterday too, to invidi me
putin by the way, and he wants it to end now,
wants to end the war. He's not looking for just
like a pause, you know, he's looking for it to
(01:03):
end and uh. And and then it's gonna it's gonna
be hard. Uh. And it's gonna have to move in stages.
You know, maybe it starts with a ceasefire that's not
been agreed to. I don't even negotiated, but I'm just
saying that. And then you know, opening things like aid
corridors and and ensuring that both sides you know, aren't
targeting energy infrastructure. So we'll see how that plays out.
And by the way, I think the US is not
going to happen without Trump. He's the only one in
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the world that can bring it something like this together.
But it has to be a global effort. It's not
just US, it's not just in Europe or NATO. I mean,
countries around the world are gonna have to participate. Now,
I will say Europe is going to have to provide
if there's going to be durable security guarantees for Ukraine. Uh,
that's gonna have to be the Europeans who have to
be willing to step up and do that. And but
(01:46):
there's a lot of sensitive issues to talk about, territorial claims,
you know, arms control and things of that nature, language
and cultural matters. All that's going to have to be
worked through. And finally, you know, the US is going
to have a stake in Ukraine's long term independence, and
that should be anchored in an ongoing economic interest. You know,
whether it's the ability to hopefully we'll have some newsier
(02:07):
soon on that, the ability to partner with Ukraine a
joint venture or something like that for their mineral rights,
you know, all the natural resources they have, and some
of that money will go back to pay back the
US taxpayer for the billions of dollars and that's been
spent there, and part of it was going to be
reinvested back into Ukraine to rebuild all the destruction that's
happened there, you know, their infrastructure and things like that.
(02:28):
But it's a lot of hard work. But yesterday was
the first step in a long journey that lies ahead.
But it's this all reiterate what the President said that
the killing and the dying has to stop in Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. There has
been talk that you are going to Munich and that
there could be conversations potentially as early as tomorrow. Is
that taking place, Will you be traveling to Europe. What
is the procedure under which conversations like these could lead
to a ceasefire would take place? What can you tell
(03:04):
us about that?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, first of all, I mean, we've got to work
through all that. I will be in Europe tomorrow, be
in Germany. It was already scheduled to be there. The
Vice President and I'll be meeting with Zelenski, and at
some point you know that you will have to engage
with Russian counterparts. We haven't talked to the Russians in
almost two and a half years, so I think the
president's call yesterday with Ladimir Putin was the first presidential
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call with Latimir Putin two and a half years. So
we'll have some work to do in terms of just
rebuilding the lines of communication. We'll have to wait for
the Russians to identify their counterparts and the people are
going to be involved on their end, and obviously you know,
we're going to be talking to Ukraine, and we're going
to be talking to all of our allies and partners
in Europe and around the world regarding this as well.
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They're going to be involved in all this. So there's
still some work to do and sort of setting all
that up to. Yesterday was really about confirming that both
Putin and Selensky want the war to end, and now
it's about the work of trying to figure out how
we get there.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
What does that meeting with Zolensky look and feel like
from your perspective? I mean, I'm just kind of curious.
Are there tons of Ukrainian tons, meaning four or five
Ukrainian leaders alongside of them? Is it jd Vance, you
and maybe heg Seth and Zolensky? What does a conversation
look like tomorrow in Munich?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
It'll be me and the vice the Vice president and
I and I'm not sure who else. I don't know
if Pete's going to be a part of that, or
he's got a bunch of other things he's working on.
He could be. I mean, he's great, he's doing a
great job. I was just watching him on TV here
a few minutes ago. He's doing phenomenal. And then you
have on the Ukrainian side. My guess is he'd probably
be accompanied by some of his people as well. But yeah,
they come in, they take a bunch of pictures, and
(04:47):
the press walks out, and then we talk about these
things as we've outlined, and we'll hear their point of view.
And the President talked to Zelenski, actually talked to him
close to forty five minutes. And by the way, some
people say, look how much shorter was The difference is
with Putin have these translators, and it just takes forever
back and forth. You know, a Zelenski speaks a little English.
You know, they're able to talk and communicate more directly,
and it moves a lot faster. So you know, my
(05:09):
sense is it'll be a good meeting, it'll be a
productive meeting, will sort of restate the President's position and
view of this moving forward. We'll hear their input and
they have to be a part of it. Obviously it's
their country, you know, so we're going to be talking
to them tomorrow. And like I said, now, much of
the stuff to be frank, and I know a lot
of people pretend, but let me just say a lot
of this stuff can't happen in front of cameras and
(05:29):
the press. You know, it's got to be that's not
the way this stuff works. I mean, you have to
do it in these meetings and private and just walk
through it. Until we have something to announce. That won't
be tomorrow, obviously, but we have a lot of work ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're speaking to the Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and
mister Secretary, if you could address a little bit of
where you see the Trump administration on Gaza. You know,
the comments that President Trump has made on that recently
get a lot of attention, the possibility of some kind
of rebuilding effort, I know it's very early stage. And
(06:03):
then if you would also just transition into what is
the Trump administration framework for the Mideast more broadly in
the next four years, and what are the things that
you're trying to accomplish top of the list.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, those two things are related. Let's just talk about
Gaza for a moment. I mean, obviously we've seen what's
happened there. It looked like that ceasefire might fall apart,
you know, at some point here because Hamas was saying
they weren't going to release the hostages that were scheduled
to be released. Now I see news reports that that's
back on, and that would be good. But ultimately, whenever
this process ends at some point, then you've got to
figure out, Okay, what happens with Gaza. So the president
(06:38):
you know, sitting around everybody, you know, all these countries
say how much they care about the Palestinians, but none
of them want to take any Palestinians. None of them
have a history of doing anything for Gaza in that matter.
And so President says, all right, then this is what
we're going to do. You know, we'll take it on.
We'll have to move people around. It's the only plan
out there right now. Now. If someone has a better plan,
and we hope they do, if the Arab countries have
(06:59):
a better place, then that's great, and they say they do,
they're going to come up with it. We're going to
look at it, see what it's you know, regarding and
what it does. Obviously, I can tell you that any
plan that leaves Humas there is going to be a
problem because Israel is not going to tolerate it. We're
going to be right back where we were. So but
we're going to give them a chance to come up
with a plan. You know, I think they're working in
good faith and not just to pay for it. By
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the way, because it's not just someone's going to have
to go on the ground. I mean Hamas has guns,
they have weapons. Someone has to confront those guys. Who's
that going to be. It's not going to be American soldiers.
If the countries in the region can't figure that peace out,
then Israel is going to have to do it, and
then we're back to where we've been, you know, So
that doesn't solve the problem. So we're going to give
them time. I know they're getting together. I think they're
meeting in Saudi Arabia in a couple of weeks, and
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then they're going to get back to us with a plan.
And it's one of the reasons why I'm traveling after
I leave Germany to the Middle East, to Saudi Arabia,
to the UAE and to Israel to hear from the
UAE and Saudi Arabia and our our partners. We already
met with the Egyptian We talked to the Egyptians this week,
We met with the Jordanians this week, and hopefully they're
going to have a really good plan and to present
(08:03):
the president. But right now, the only plan they don't
like it. But the only plan is the is the
Trump plan. So they've got a better plan, you know,
now's the time to present it, So we're looking forward
to that.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. You have
served in the Senate for a while, you are an
expert in foreign relations there. What is the difference when
you talk to foreign leaders between Joe Biden as president
and Donald Trump as president? How much different is difference
is it making? And what is the impact in two
(08:34):
fields of war where we're got to cease fire right
now hopefully it holds in the Middle East, and another
where hopefully one day in the near future we can
get one. And how much has Trump selection changed the
calculus for foreign leaders?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, you know, Biden and Trump not even in the
same universe, right, I mean, not even in the same universe.
I'll give you a great example. So President Trump said,
you know this hostage thing, you know where these people
are trickling out and now they're saying they're not going
to do it. He says, all right, you don't do it,
that's fine. If it's not done by Saturday, then all
hell's going to break loose. And all of a sudden,
Hima says, well, we're back on the deals, back on. So,
I mean that's night and day from what we used
(09:07):
to see in the past. I think part of it
is clarity. I mean, he's just very clear. Part of
it is action, he actually does things. And I think
the other point is that we have a president now
in Donald Trump, who says, like, this is what I'm
going to do, and then he like he does it.
And you know, a lot of these foreign leaders are
used to American diplomacy, where you sort of talk around
issues and use flowery language and you say, well, this
(09:29):
is what we might do, this is what we could do.
Trump doesn't work that way. He kind of says, this
is what I'm going to do, and then he actually
does it, and then there's a shock factor at this point.
But I and to some degree, but ultimately I think
the reason why you know, he's the only person in
the world that can end this conflict with Ukraine and Russia,
he's the only person in the world that can serve
as a catalyst for some structure in the Middle East
(09:50):
that prevents just endless cycles of war, is because he
understands the language of how to put deals together, and
that's what he's done his whole life. Now he's just
doing from a geopolitical perspective, and he speaks very clearly,
very bluntly, and then he acts. I'm watching on the
news right now. I remember he's They're like, oh, he's
not really going to do tariffs, and he's just announcing
(10:11):
reciprocal tariffs out there. So it's just an enormous advantage
because from a foreign policy standpoint, there's just a lot
of clarity of one. When I talk to my foreign counterparts,
there isn't any ambiguity. They're not wondering what does he
mean or what is he really going to do? No,
they know what he's going to do, and and it
gives this I think it actually makes foreign policy better.
You know, it makes foreign policy better when you're when
(10:32):
you're predictable, when they know what you're going to do
because you said that's what you're going to do. When
you when you act differently, they countries are all acting
in their own national interests. They'll try to take advantage
of you. They'll try to, you know, get ahead of you,
they'll try to work around you. You can't do that
with Donald Trump. So I would argue that probably the
best job in Washington right now is to be the
secretary of State for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Mister Secretary I know you were down in El Salvador
with President Buchalie recently and it's a small country, but
big lessons and I think could be big implications for
Latin America and honestly for any nation state paying attention.
Can you just speak to what seems like something of
a miracle that has occurred because of good governance in
(11:14):
that country and what it means for our relationship, not
just with El Salvador, but you know, with the region
with Latin America.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I mean, I buo Kelly is. First of all,
he's a big fan and supporter of the United States
and always has been. The Biden people treated him very poorly,
very bad. They you know, they treated him very poorly.
They they call them a dictator and an autocrat. Even
though the guy won like ninety percent of the votes.
Is huge popularity. I mean, the opposition to him and
(11:43):
Al Savadra is like a five percent movement, you know.
And one of the things that made him popular is this.
You know, for twenty years in Al Savada, you couldn't
live you really couldn't. I mean, if you owned this,
let's say you were you had a little small stand
that out in a you know, on a street corner
or something. Every week, some young kid would come up
on a bicycle and you'd have to pay him the
protection money. And if you didn't, then the gangs would
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come and you know, kill your daughter, or kidnap your son,
or murder your husband or whatever. I mean, that's what
used to happen. You couldn't walk, you couldn't be out
it after six pm at night. You couldn't be out
in the streets of El Salvador. So he went and
he basically wrapped up all these gang members and threw
them all in a big prison that he built by
the way in seven months, and all of a sudden,
the crime disappeared overnight. It's a completely different country, and
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people love it because they can they feel safe. And
that's why he's so popular. He doesn't have to be
an autocrat. He's not because he's popular and so I
think it's a great example. But he's also a good
friend of the United States. He was just treated very badly,
very poorly by the previous administration. But now with President Trump,
he's got an ally and someone we can work with.
(12:49):
And they made very generous offers last week. I mean,
they agreed that Obviously they're going to take all the
MS thirteen people in our country they're from Salar, but
they're also going to take gang members we send them
like Agua and those guns. And he also offered something
which you probably won't be able to do just because
of our constitution, but he said, look, if you've got
prisoners from the US and you want to outsource, you know,
(13:09):
the prison system to us, and you want to send
us some really bad guys, we've got room in our
jails for them as well. So very generous offer on
this part of me. No one's ever offered that, So
I think it just shows he's a very pro American
president who was treated very poorly by Joe Biden's administration.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And just one more for you, mister secretary on Mexico,
what do we want, what can we expect? What are
the goals for this Trump administration, because that's obviously a
critical relationship and there's a room for improvement.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, so that deal, I mean that situation is broken
up into two pieces. One is tariffs and that the
Treasury and Commerce Secretary are going to be handling that.
And I think how Lutnik will be confirmed here in
a few minutes, and when he is in the Senate,
then hopefully he'll be taking charge of the tariff piece
of it. They're interrelated, but they're separate topics. And then
I'm working with Pam Bondi and christynom on the security
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piece of it. You know, our interest is we want
to stop the human trafficking and the migratory trafficking across
the US border. We want the fentanyl to stop, we
want the drugs to stop. We don't want these cartel
people coming over our border. So we're asking them to
take steps even more steps to stop that from happening.
And they are asking us to help them keep guns
out of the hands of these these cartels. A lot
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of these cartels they're they're finding ways to buy guns
or whatever in the United States and they come back
the other way. So we're working on a plan with
them collectively. Right We're going to work together them on
their side of the border, us on our side of
the border, so we can take care of their you know,
their gun running problem, and they can help take care
of the fentanyl problem and the mass migration problem and
(14:40):
the cartel problem. And we're looking to our teams are
talking and hopefully we'll have something positive turn out soon.
And you know, we've got a great team with Christy
and Christy Noman and Pam Bondi and we were talking
to Pama Body yesterday, so we've got a good team.
And the Mexicans have a good team. So we're gonna
we're gonna work on that and I think we're gonna
have something positive on that front fair soon.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Last question for you, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, how
awesome was it watching your son score for the Florida
Gators in a bowl game?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Much less serious?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You got a lot of serious things going on in
your life, but that had to be pretty incredible as
a dad.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, no, of course it is. Now I'm happy. You
know the best part about that for me, it wasn't
the score. I mean, the score is great. He had
other carries. And let me tell you something. What happened
was that they had this big guy des Watson in there,
and they'd run him a couple of plays earlier, and
my son said, I know that we get to the
one yard line, they're going to put that guy in
to run it over the goal line to give him
his go away present. So he said, if he saw
that open and he hit that hole so hard he
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knew he had to score it. Because I got down
to the one or two, he wasn't going to get
the ball. But my favorite part, honestly, was not the score.
My favorite part was the way his teammates reacted to
see the entire bench come off, and I saw the
flags fly, and I was worried. You know, he had
spiked the bomb, like, oh damn, you know it's gonna
but they called it on the entire Florida bench. The
way his teammates reacted, it shows me that the kid
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is a good teammate. He works hard, he has the
respect and of his teammates, and that tells you, I mean,
that makes you proud. That's what I was the proud
of stuff. To be honest with you, that was where
I was proud of them.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well that's a proud dad moment.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I know you're out there busting your ass for the
country on a day to day basis, but it's good
to be a dad and get to celebrate some of
those things. We appreciate you making the time, be safe
on your trips, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
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You know it's remarkable, but somehow the libs are not
happy with Elon finding all this fraud, waste center and
abuse of our finances as a country via Doge and
(19:07):
CNN's Paul Bagala still doing his thing all these years.
CNN's Paul Bagala is I think speaking for the Democrat
mentality pretty well here when he's just crying and whining
and has to talk about big balls again. Play fourteen
who then.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Help voted for mister Musk, who the hell voted for?
Excuse the phrase, A guy who calls himself big balls.
A nineteen year old kid going in there and trying
to fire cancer researchers and scientists and teachers and agricultural specialists.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's appalling.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
And I say again, it is mister Trump's voters who
are far more dependent on government than the Democratic voters.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The ten states who were.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Like most, for example, on education funding for their schools
federal funding, all ten voted for mister Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Would you put that aside for a second, because somehow
it is the Democrats that are so upset about the
gravy train ending, But it's Republicans the gravy training. It's nonsense.
Department of Education doesn't fund state level schools. If they
get some grants, it's going to be a something that
could be made up for, I think relatively easily. I mean,
that's put that aside for a moment. Clay, the elon
(20:13):
wasn't elected, so why is he doing what he's doing.
A lot of people in the government aren't elected. There's
a lot there are people who are appointed. They're people
who just have jobs, right there. A lot of people
have a lot of power without being elected. The most
powerful elected official has brought in somebody who isn't doing
anything on his own. He is merely assisting and advising
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the top of the executive branch.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Like this isn't that hard?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Why don't libs No one's saying, Elon's the president and
he's not acting as the president. But they're just crying
about it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They don't know what to do. I think there's just
a panic. Think about what they're simultaneously arguing. Buck They
are saying that Trump is a dictator, which is the
argument they've been making since he came down the escalator
in twenty fifteen, and that he is going to destroy
democracy in America. That is argument one. Simultaneously, now they
have pivoted to Trump's not actually the president, Elon is.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So they are both.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Arguing that Trump is a unique threat to democracy the
likes of which our country has never seen. And also
Trump is so lacking in power that an unelected official
is actually acting as president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Which is it like they.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Can't even figure out what their doomsday scenario is and
both can't be true right now. I would point out
that the connecting tissue here for both of them is
something that doesn't make sense, which is and I saw
a bunch of people pick this up after we talked
about it last week.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Suddenly it was everywhere.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No one has ever shrunk the size of government while
being a dictator. Right, the whole purpose of dictatorial powers
is you grab more of power, the government expands, your
military grows. Like no one is like, hey, you know
the best thing we can do decrease the amount of
government size and actually be more efficient.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nobody does. That's part to be a dictator.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
There was a moment where they were hoping to argue
that Trump was a dictator during COVID, and and then
it just it faded because he allowed a lot of decisions.
I'm talking early COVID, you know, twenty twenty COVID. He
allowed a lot of decisions to just be determined by
the states, And so the he's a dictator. It's it's
similar to what we're seeing now. He's doing the opposite
(22:30):
of dictator stuff. This is the opposite of what somebody
does when they are trying to enforce their will against
your will via state mechanism. They don't fire government employees.
You know what, here's a simple, a simple way to
go through this. Do you think in the Soviet Union's heyday,
were there are a lot of KGB and you know,
secret police officials are very few in East Germany. In
(22:53):
the Stazi were there are a lot of secret police and
informers or very few. I mean, you know, just just
to put it in, by the way, there were one
hundred there were over one hundred thousand, I believe secret
informers that they that they had.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Are you a little bit jealous? Are you a little
bit jealous? Like sometimes you look back at history and think,
that would have been a pretty cool time to live
as a guy who worked in the CIA in the
pre Cold War, Berlin Wall coming down had to be
an unbelievable time to be in spycraft.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That was really what I mean. The CIA was really
meant for the Cold War. It was built for the
Cold War. Unfortunately, still uses some of that same mentality
and technology. You know, in the intelligence community. If you
have not seen the movie Clay, have you seen Das
Leben Derandrin the Lives of Others?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
No? I don't, I've never even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Dude, You and Laura, I am telling you. I am
telling you. I know you're gonna say, buck. It's a
German language movie with subtitles, Hey, the Lives of Others
it is.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You know you're talking to here, mister German cinema. I mean,
I remember I took Russian cinema classes. I took German cinema.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The Lives.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I thought you were talking about your German rock star doppelganger.
Dusk Travisa yah dos boot guy.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I bet he plays a mean flute as well.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
He shirtless with tattoos.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He's played a flute up there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Whatever that guy's name is from, Like the German American
idol that looks just like you.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
My doppelganger.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
For people who are new that someone discovered that I
had a German musician rocker doppelganger.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And I spend a lot of time looking at Clay's face,
and I'll be honest with you, I was like, Wow,
Clay has like this whole he's moonlighting as a German
rock star, Like it looks so much like him that
I didn't know what was going on. I thought it
was maybe Ai, But it's real. The Lives of others, though,
I am telling you are they're just It's staff says
it's one of the all time favorite movies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It is a ten out of ten. It is a
great watch. It is about it's so good about the
surveillance state, about autocracy, and about the human desire for
freedom and love and creativity. It is and I think
you were I would really enjoy it. It does have subtitles.
But also when you're watching a movie about a police
state and they're speaking in German, I'm just gonna say
(25:08):
this adds a little authenticity. You hear the German and
you're like, oh, oh man, that sounds pretty intense. So
it's a really really good movie that you should add,
like for a movie night with you guys if you
get you know, snowed in sometime top of the list.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know what we're doing tonight Cobra Kai Season six,
final five episodes. The Whole Travis Family is locked and
loaded tonight to watch all five. So that is on
the calendar watching. You're doing the whole they're doing the
whole thing, well, the last five episodes, so it's probably
like two and a half hours, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What I mean. But you're doing five episodes, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Boom boom boom, Whole Travis Family. All three boys were
watching We Love it. By the way, Senator Ron Johnson
in Wisconsin, our buddy's supposed to join us. He texted,
he is locked and loaded. They are swearing in RFK Junior.
We will get him rescheduled. A lot of these guys
and gals that we have on the show. I said
this yesterday. They have the schedule and then everything is
(26:06):
moving so rapidly suddenly in DC that they are running
into conflict. So we will get people on. Sometimes we'll say, Hey,
this guy or this gal is going to be a guest,
and then something happens. Just FYI will get Senator Ron
Johnson on either Tomorrow for Valentine's Day Valentine's Day Eve,
by the way, for anybody out there that has not
been paying attention to the calendar and doesn't want to
(26:28):
walk into a buzz saw tomorrow when you happen to recognize, uh, oh,
it's Valentine's Day. Buck, You're going to find this out
as soon as you have a kid, which is going
to be in a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You haven't even thought about this yet.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You're not just responsible for Mother's Day for your own mom.
All of a sudden, you now are double Mother's Day
and this kid is not going to be responsible for
his own Mother's Day till like twelve or thirteen, and
it is go time. And I didn't know what I
was walking into with this. I didn't just didn't think
about it. You've got your own mom and now you've
(27:03):
got your wife, and the kids are too young, they're
not they're not responsible for themselves. Yet you have to
now cover Mother's Day. And Mother's Day is a lot
more important than Father's Day. I'm just like, it's like
twenty War Day to Father's Day. Given yourself professed lack
of culinary skill and total who makes like the scrambled eggs,
(27:27):
toast and uh and bacon on Mother's Day?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
For for Laura in the household.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well, that has never happened, so you know, she's not
a very fortunate woman in that respect. Uh, dinner is
often purchased, and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, dinner is very often purchased.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Occasionally you might get out to Dunkin Donuts for some
donuts and uh yeah, the the morning breakfast is not
a staple of of my repertoire. There's a lot of
things that are not staples of my repertoire. Cooking the
morning certainly not one of them. If you can't make
it with a toaster or a microwave, it is beyond
(28:06):
my culinary skill.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Good to know or it does.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I can also handle things that don't need either of those,
So like meet on, like a sandwich, I can make
a killer sandwich.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And now I would just point out that for all
of you, we've given you a Friday night movie watch
if you would like, so that's very exciting. You can
always also go to Clayanbuck dot com and listen to
any of the podcasts of the Clay and Buck Show
that we put up there over the weekend. We have
all kinds of exciting stuff going on. I wanted to
just take a moment here, Clay. You know, Tulsi Gabbard
(28:43):
has gotten through RFK, has gotten through this cut sixteen.
Here is Tulsi telling everybody just how pleased and grateful
she is to be in a position to help at
the as DN I play it.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
The American people have very little trust in the intelligence community,
largely because they've seen the weaponization and politicization of an
entity that is supposed to be purely focused on ensuring
our national security. So I look forward to being able
to help fulfill that mandate that the American people delivered
to you very clearly in this election, to refocus our
(29:19):
intelligence community by empowering the great patriots who have chosen
to serve our country in this way and focus on
ensuring the safety, security, and freedom of the American people.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So I'm going to put this out there, Clay, because
we know Tulsi. We're very happy for I think she's
a patriot and going to do a great job in
this role. Even when she just to be clear, even
when she was a Democrat, it was clear that she
loved her country and didn't hate Republicans, which was really
That was when I was like, I don't know how
long she's gonna last in this Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I remember what she was running. I was like, Ah,
she's a little too patriotic. He likes Republicans a little
too much.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, you got to sort of hate America and
Republicans to be a really, you know, really top tier Democrat.
But I would put this out there, Clay for her.
In particular, I think one of the things that she
could do as D and I, she should do all
she can the D and I Director of National Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
A co coordinator role among the community. I would offer
to you, and I spent years in this community, so
I know I know about how it actually functions in
some ways. I think that she should do this until
she's done all that she can, and then she should
say we should go back and cut. I think the
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D and I should cease to exist as a position
and as an office. I think that the National counter
Terrorism Center NCTC should no longer like all this stuff
that was done post nine to eleven, with this enormous
infusion of cash that came in because we had failed.
So the intelligent community failed so badly and got so
much money. The intelligence community could be paired back dramatically,
(30:56):
dramatic there are here's the thing. People go, oh, abolish, No,
you can and abolish. If you you will be at
the mercy of foreign intelligence adversaries. If you do not,
you know, this would be like saying it's like almost
abolished police or abolish the military.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You do need an intelligence capacity, both counterintelligence and offensive
intelligence gathering operations, So you need that. You know, the
NSA is vast for example, I mean, you need this capability,
but there's so much bloat, and I would argue that
the and I job itself has become a symptom of
(31:32):
that bloat. And NCTC there's like seventeen intell agencies now
Clay seventeen. Yeah, and they all have again fire half
the people everywhere. Tomorrow's Valentine's Day, Buck, I said, tonight,
I'm going to be sitting around watching Cobra Kai that's
the Netflix series that follows Karate Kid. We're going to
(31:53):
be also eating some good Ranchers steaks. And I know
you have this. I have been beating my boys.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Look, I got three boys, and if you have three,
two of them are teenagers.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
The amount of.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Food that they can consume is I mean, they're like
a horde of beast when they come running through the kitchen.
I mean they are growing fast. If you have teenage boys,
you know what I'm talking about, just voluminous amounts of food.
They love these good Rancher steaks. And also, Buck, you
love these. My ten year old, my fourth grader. Every
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are fabulous, all very healthy, made right in the good
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(32:52):
it's great. I want to say, I was so blown
away by those chicken nugs. First all, the quality of
the steaks is the best steakhouse.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The meat is at that level.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Or better, depends on where you are and how good
the steakhouses are, and you can make it at home.
And it's just it's delicious. I mean, I think I
can make a better steak now here, and Carrie agrees
with me. So to my brothers they come over for
steak night because of good ranchers. Then we can get
anywhere here in Miami with there some pretty good steaks.
I'll throw this out there though. Those chicken nuggets play.
I had to tell the CEO of the company, the
founder of the company is a great guy. I was like,
(33:21):
I'm being completely serious with you. I love chicken nuggets.
It's been one of my things, one of my weaknesses.
Like these are the actual best chicken nuggets I've ever had,
no question.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It is fabulous. Buck did say that he was like.
He actually turned to me and he was like, how
old is Buck? He could be any age between twenty
seven and fifty four.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Which was did I tell you that? The zeo asked
me that. I mean a couple million of our friends
found out. Yeah, well, we were.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Sitting at dinner. He was like, I have no idea
how old he is. He could be twenty seven, he
could be fifty four. I have no earthly idea. And
when you told him you love chicken nuggets, he was like,
I think he might be sixteen. And so you are
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Speaker 1 (34:33):
Playin Buck Highlight Trump Free plays from the week Sundays
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Speaker 4 (34:37):
Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get
your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All right,
Copra Kai time Buck. I cannot wait. I am ecstatic.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Uh, it's amazing to me how much time kids get
off from school. Now, did you ever get a midwinter break?
It's mid winter break season, so my kids don't have
school on Friday or Monday. This is like, obviously Monday
we'll be here, but Monday is President's Day. And it
feels like we just keep stacking more and more holidays
(35:12):
so my kids get home. That's one reason we're watching
on Thursday. It also drops today in advance of Valentine's Day.
But it's kind of amazing how many new holidays I
feel like end up on the school calendar that I
don't remember getting. We certainly didn't get a fall break
back in the day, we got spring break.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Now everything just keeps getting added on.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Can you also tell me that just you're gonna make
me feel like this is all gonna be okay?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
People are starting to ask me like, hey, like, have
you tried out the G seven hundred stroller? I don't,
And I'm like, I have no earthly idea what any
of you were talking about. But I guess once I
am a parent, I will learn these things right because
the other parents in my life they speak this other
language of kids stuff. I have no idea what they're
(35:59):
talking about.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I'm gonna just tell you this, get help right now,
and go ahead and get the car seat in. I'm
every dad out there that has ever been tasked with
trying to get a car seat in a car. It's
virtually impossible. Some cars may be a little bit easier
to hook into than others for first dads, especially in
(36:22):
Miami buck where it's gonna be like one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Eighty eighty degrease.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
You're gonna be laid out in the back of your
car trying to get this thing fastened, and you are
going to be ready to commit homicide. That it's the
number one advice for you. Just expected the car seat
process to be awful. Every dad knows what I'm talking about.
I got blindsided, no idea what I was walking into.
We'll be back tomorrow. Valentine's Day, eve
Welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Third hour of Clay end Buck goes right now, and
we are joined by Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Mister Secretary,
I appreciate you making the time for us. A lot
going on in the world.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Let's jump right into it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
There's so much we want to ask you about the
start of this Trump administration. The domestic stuff, the executive
orders has gone a tremendous amount of focus, but the
president has an ambitious foreign policy agenda that you are
the point person for. Let's just start with if you
could set the table on Russia Ukraine and the reporting
that Trump is eager to have negotiations to end that conflict,
(00:39):
to at least bring about a ceasefire.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, the great thing about working for President Trump is
there's not a lot of ambiguity. I mean, he's pretty straightforward,
and he's been campaigning and saying the war would have
never happened if he was president. I believe that to
be true. He said that yesterday too, to invidi me
putin by the way, and he wants it to end now,
wants to end the war. He's not looking for just
like a pause, you know, he's looking for it to
(01:03):
end and uh. And and then it's gonna it's gonna
be hard. Uh. And it's gonna have to move in stages.
You know, maybe it starts with a ceasefire that's not
been agreed to. I don't even negotiated, but I'm just
saying that. And then you know, opening things like aid
corridors and and ensuring that both sides you know, aren't
targeting energy infrastructure. So we'll see how that plays out.
And by the way, I think the US is not
going to happen without Trump. He's the only one in
(01:24):
the world that can bring it something like this together.
But it has to be a global effort. It's not
just US, it's not just in Europe or NATO. I mean,
countries around the world are gonna have to participate. Now,
I will say Europe is going to have to provide
if there's going to be durable security guarantees for Ukraine. Uh,
that's gonna have to be the Europeans who have to
be willing to step up and do that. And but
(01:46):
there's a lot of sensitive issues to talk about, territorial claims,
you know, arms control and things of that nature, language
and cultural matters. All that's going to have to be
worked through. And finally, you know, the US is going
to have a stake in Ukraine's long term independence, and
that should be anchored in an ongoing economic interest. You know,
whether it's the ability to hopefully we'll have some newsier
(02:07):
soon on that, the ability to partner with Ukraine a
joint venture or something like that for their mineral rights,
you know, all the natural resources they have, and some
of that money will go back to pay back the
US taxpayer for the billions of dollars and that's been
spent there, and part of it was going to be
reinvested back into Ukraine to rebuild all the destruction that's
happened there, you know, their infrastructure and things like that.
(02:28):
But it's a lot of hard work. But yesterday was
the first step in a long journey that lies ahead.
But it's this all reiterate what the President said that
the killing and the dying has to stop in Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. There has
been talk that you are going to Munich and that
there could be conversations potentially as early as tomorrow. Is
that taking place, Will you be traveling to Europe. What
is the procedure under which conversations like these could lead
to a ceasefire would take place? What can you tell
(03:04):
us about that?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, first of all, I mean, we've got to work
through all that. I will be in Europe tomorrow, be
in Germany. It was already scheduled to be there. The
Vice President and I'll be meeting with Zelenski, and at
some point you know that you will have to engage
with Russian counterparts. We haven't talked to the Russians in
almost two and a half years, so I think the
president's call yesterday with Ladimir Putin was the first presidential
(03:29):
call with Latimir Putin two and a half years. So
we'll have some work to do in terms of just
rebuilding the lines of communication. We'll have to wait for
the Russians to identify their counterparts and the people are
going to be involved on their end, and obviously you know,
we're going to be talking to Ukraine, and we're going
to be talking to all of our allies and partners
in Europe and around the world regarding this as well.
(03:50):
They're going to be involved in all this. So there's
still some work to do and sort of setting all
that up to. Yesterday was really about confirming that both
Putin and Selensky want the war to end, and now
it's about the work of trying to figure out how
we get there.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
What does that meeting with Zolensky look and feel like
from your perspective? I mean, I'm just kind of curious.
Are there tons of Ukrainian tons, meaning four or five
Ukrainian leaders alongside of them? Is it jd Vance, you
and maybe heg Seth and Zolensky? What does a conversation
look like tomorrow in Munich?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, I know.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
It'll be me and the vice the Vice president and
I and I'm not sure who else. I don't know
if Pete's going to be a part of that, or
he's got a bunch of other things he's working on.
He could be. I mean, he's great, he's doing a
great job. I was just watching him on TV here
a few minutes ago. He's doing phenomenal. And then you
have on the Ukrainian side. My guess is he'd probably
be accompanied by some of his people as well. But yeah,
they come in, they take a bunch of pictures, and
(04:47):
the press walks out, and then we talk about these
things as we've outlined, and we'll hear their point of view.
And the President talked to Zelenski, actually talked to him
close to forty five minutes. And by the way, some
people say, look how much shorter was The difference is
with Putin have these translators, and it just takes forever
back and forth. You know, a Zelenski speaks a little English.
You know, they're able to talk and communicate more directly,
and it moves a lot faster. So you know, my
(05:09):
sense is it'll be a good meeting, it'll be a
productive meeting, will sort of restate the President's position and
view of this moving forward. We'll hear their input and
they have to be a part of it. Obviously it's
their country, you know, so we're going to be talking
to them tomorrow. And like I said, now, much of
the stuff to be frank, and I know a lot
of people pretend, but let me just say a lot
of this stuff can't happen in front of cameras and
(05:29):
the press. You know, it's got to be that's not
the way this stuff works. I mean, you have to
do it in these meetings and private and just walk
through it. Until we have something to announce. That won't
be tomorrow, obviously, but we have a lot of work ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We're speaking to the Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and
mister Secretary, if you could address a little bit of
where you see the Trump administration on Gaza. You know,
the comments that President Trump has made on that recently
get a lot of attention, the possibility of some kind
of rebuilding effort, I know it's very early stage. And
(06:03):
then if you would also just transition into what is
the Trump administration framework for the Mideast more broadly in
the next four years, and what are the things that
you're trying to accomplish top of the list.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, those two things are related. Let's just talk about
Gaza for a moment. I mean, obviously we've seen what's
happened there. It looked like that ceasefire might fall apart,
you know, at some point here because Hamas was saying
they weren't going to release the hostages that were scheduled
to be released. Now I see news reports that that's
back on, and that would be good. But ultimately, whenever
this process ends at some point, then you've got to
figure out, Okay, what happens with Gaza. So the president
(06:38):
you know, sitting around everybody, you know, all these countries
say how much they care about the Palestinians, but none
of them want to take any Palestinians. None of them
have a history of doing anything for Gaza in that matter.
And so President says, all right, then this is what
we're going to do. You know, we'll take it on.
We'll have to move people around. It's the only plan
out there right now. Now. If someone has a better plan,
and we hope they do, if the Arab countries have
(06:59):
a better place, then that's great, and they say they do,
they're going to come up with it. We're going to
look at it, see what it's you know, regarding and
what it does. Obviously, I can tell you that any
plan that leaves Humas there is going to be a
problem because Israel is not going to tolerate it. We're
going to be right back where we were. So but
we're going to give them a chance to come up
with a plan. You know, I think they're working in
good faith and not just to pay for it. By
(07:19):
the way, because it's not just someone's going to have
to go on the ground. I mean Hamas has guns,
they have weapons. Someone has to confront those guys. Who's
that going to be. It's not going to be American soldiers.
If the countries in the region can't figure that peace out,
then Israel is going to have to do it, and
then we're back to where we've been, you know, So
that doesn't solve the problem. So we're going to give
them time. I know they're getting together. I think they're
meeting in Saudi Arabia in a couple of weeks, and
(07:42):
then they're going to get back to us with a plan.
And it's one of the reasons why I'm traveling after
I leave Germany to the Middle East, to Saudi Arabia,
to the UAE and to Israel to hear from the
UAE and Saudi Arabia and our our partners. We already
met with the Egyptian We talked to the Egyptians this week,
We met with the Jordanians this week, and hopefully they're
going to have a really good plan and to present
(08:03):
the president. But right now, the only plan they don't
like it. But the only plan is the is the
Trump plan. So they've got a better plan, you know,
now's the time to present it, So we're looking forward
to that.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
We're talking to Secretary of State Marco Rubio. You have
served in the Senate for a while, you are an
expert in foreign relations there. What is the difference when
you talk to foreign leaders between Joe Biden as president
and Donald Trump as president? How much different is difference
is it making? And what is the impact in two
(08:34):
fields of war where we're got to cease fire right
now hopefully it holds in the Middle East, and another
where hopefully one day in the near future we can
get one. And how much has Trump selection changed the
calculus for foreign leaders?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, you know, Biden and Trump not even in the
same universe, right, I mean, not even in the same universe.
I'll give you a great example. So President Trump said,
you know this hostage thing, you know where these people
are trickling out and now they're saying they're not going
to do it. He says, all right, you don't do it,
that's fine. If it's not done by Saturday, then all
hell's going to break loose. And all of a sudden,
Hima says, well, we're back on the deals, back on. So,
I mean that's night and day from what we used
(09:07):
to see in the past. I think part of it
is clarity. I mean, he's just very clear. Part of
it is action, he actually does things. And I think
the other point is that we have a president now
in Donald Trump, who says, like, this is what I'm
going to do, and then he like he does it.
And you know, a lot of these foreign leaders are
used to American diplomacy, where you sort of talk around
issues and use flowery language and you say, well, this
(09:29):
is what we might do, this is what we could do.
Trump doesn't work that way. He kind of says, this
is what I'm going to do, and then he actually
does it, and then there's a shock factor at this point.
But I and to some degree, but ultimately I think
the reason why you know, he's the only person in
the world that can end this conflict with Ukraine and Russia,
he's the only person in the world that can serve
as a catalyst for some structure in the Middle East
(09:50):
that prevents just endless cycles of war, is because he
understands the language of how to put deals together, and
that's what he's done his whole life. Now he's just
doing from a geopolitical perspective, and he speaks very clearly,
very bluntly, and then he acts. I'm watching on the
news right now. I remember he's They're like, oh, he's
not really going to do tariffs, and he's just announcing
(10:11):
reciprocal tariffs out there. So it's just an enormous advantage
because from a foreign policy standpoint, there's just a lot
of clarity of one. When I talk to my foreign counterparts,
there isn't any ambiguity. They're not wondering what does he
mean or what is he really going to do? No,
they know what he's going to do, and and it
gives this I think it actually makes foreign policy better.
You know, it makes foreign policy better when you're when
(10:32):
you're predictable, when they know what you're going to do
because you said that's what you're going to do. When
you when you act differently, they countries are all acting
in their own national interests. They'll try to take advantage
of you. They'll try to, you know, get ahead of you,
they'll try to work around you. You can't do that
with Donald Trump. So I would argue that probably the
best job in Washington right now is to be the
secretary of State for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Mister Secretary I know you were down in El Salvador
with President Buchalie recently and it's a small country, but
big lessons and I think could be big implications for
Latin America and honestly for any nation state paying attention.
Can you just speak to what seems like something of
a miracle that has occurred because of good governance in
(11:14):
that country and what it means for our relationship, not
just with El Salvador, but you know, with the region
with Latin America.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I mean, I buo Kelly is. First of all,
he's a big fan and supporter of the United States
and always has been. The Biden people treated him very poorly,
very bad. They you know, they treated him very poorly.
They they call them a dictator and an autocrat. Even
though the guy won like ninety percent of the votes.
Is huge popularity. I mean, the opposition to him and
(11:43):
Al Savadra is like a five percent movement, you know.
And one of the things that made him popular is this.
You know, for twenty years in Al Savada, you couldn't
live you really couldn't. I mean, if you owned this,
let's say you were you had a little small stand
that out in a you know, on a street corner
or something. Every week, some young kid would come up
on a bicycle and you'd have to pay him the
protection money. And if you didn't, then the gangs would
(12:05):
come and you know, kill your daughter, or kidnap your son,
or murder your husband or whatever. I mean, that's what
used to happen. You couldn't walk, you couldn't be out
it after six pm at night. You couldn't be out
in the streets of El Salvador. So he went and
he basically wrapped up all these gang members and threw
them all in a big prison that he built by
the way in seven months, and all of a sudden,
the crime disappeared overnight. It's a completely different country, and
(12:27):
people love it because they can they feel safe. And
that's why he's so popular. He doesn't have to be
an autocrat. He's not because he's popular and so I
think it's a great example. But he's also a good
friend of the United States. He was just treated very badly,
very poorly by the previous administration. But now with President Trump,
he's got an ally and someone we can work with.
(12:49):
And they made very generous offers last week. I mean,
they agreed that Obviously they're going to take all the
MS thirteen people in our country they're from Salar, but
they're also going to take gang members we send them
like Agua and those guns. And he also offered something
which you probably won't be able to do just because
of our constitution, but he said, look, if you've got
prisoners from the US and you want to outsource, you know,
(13:09):
the prison system to us, and you want to send
us some really bad guys, we've got room in our
jails for them as well. So very generous offer on
this part of me. No one's ever offered that, So
I think it just shows he's a very pro American
president who was treated very poorly by Joe Biden's administration.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And just one more for you, mister secretary on Mexico,
what do we want, what can we expect? What are
the goals for this Trump administration, because that's obviously a
critical relationship and there's a room for improvement.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, so that deal, I mean that situation is broken
up into two pieces. One is tariffs and that the
Treasury and Commerce Secretary are going to be handling that.
And I think how Lutnik will be confirmed here in
a few minutes, and when he is in the Senate,
then hopefully he'll be taking charge of the tariff piece
of it. They're interrelated, but they're separate topics. And then
I'm working with Pam Bondi and christynom on the security
(13:59):
piece of it. You know, our interest is we want
to stop the human trafficking and the migratory trafficking across
the US border. We want the fentanyl to stop, we
want the drugs to stop. We don't want these cartel
people coming over our border. So we're asking them to
take steps even more steps to stop that from happening.
And they are asking us to help them keep guns
out of the hands of these these cartels. A lot
(14:20):
of these cartels they're they're finding ways to buy guns
or whatever in the United States and they come back
the other way. So we're working on a plan with
them collectively. Right We're going to work together them on
their side of the border, us on our side of
the border, so we can take care of their you know,
their gun running problem, and they can help take care
of the fentanyl problem and the mass migration problem and
(14:40):
the cartel problem. And we're looking to our teams are
talking and hopefully we'll have something positive turn out soon.
And you know, we've got a great team with Christy
and Christy Noman and Pam Bondi and we were talking
to Pama Body yesterday, so we've got a good team.
And the Mexicans have a good team. So we're gonna
we're gonna work on that and I think we're gonna
have something positive on that front fair soon.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Last question for you, Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, how
awesome was it watching your son score for the Florida
Gators in a bowl game?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Much less serious?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You got a lot of serious things going on in
your life, but that had to be pretty incredible as
a dad.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, no, of course it is. Now I'm happy. You
know the best part about that for me, it wasn't
the score. I mean, the score is great. He had
other carries. And let me tell you something. What happened
was that they had this big guy des Watson in there,
and they'd run him a couple of plays earlier, and
my son said, I know that we get to the
one yard line, they're going to put that guy in
to run it over the goal line to give him
his go away present. So he said, if he saw
that open and he hit that hole so hard he
(15:37):
knew he had to score it. Because I got down
to the one or two, he wasn't going to get
the ball. But my favorite part, honestly, was not the score.
My favorite part was the way his teammates reacted to
see the entire bench come off, and I saw the
flags fly, and I was worried. You know, he had
spiked the bomb, like, oh damn, you know it's gonna
but they called it on the entire Florida bench. The
way his teammates reacted, it shows me that the kid
(15:57):
is a good teammate. He works hard, he has the
respect and of his teammates, and that tells you, I mean,
that makes you proud. That's what I was the proud
of stuff. To be honest with you, that was where
I was proud of them.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well that's a proud dad moment.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I know you're out there busting your ass for the
country on a day to day basis, but it's good
to be a dad and get to celebrate some of
those things. We appreciate you making the time, be safe
on your trips, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
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You know it's remarkable, but somehow the libs are not
happy with Elon finding all this fraud, waste center and
abuse of our finances as a country via Doge and
(19:07):
CNN's Paul Bagala still doing his thing all these years.
CNN's Paul Bagala is I think speaking for the Democrat
mentality pretty well here when he's just crying and whining
and has to talk about big balls again. Play fourteen
who then.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Help voted for mister Musk, who the hell voted for?
Excuse the phrase, A guy who calls himself big balls.
A nineteen year old kid going in there and trying
to fire cancer researchers and scientists and teachers and agricultural specialists.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's appalling.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
And I say again, it is mister Trump's voters who
are far more dependent on government than the Democratic voters.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
The ten states who were.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Like most, for example, on education funding for their schools
federal funding, all ten voted for mister Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Would you put that aside for a second, because somehow
it is the Democrats that are so upset about the
gravy train ending, But it's Republicans the gravy training. It's nonsense.
Department of Education doesn't fund state level schools. If they
get some grants, it's going to be a something that
could be made up for, I think relatively easily. I mean,
that's put that aside for a moment. Clay, the elon
(20:13):
wasn't elected, so why is he doing what he's doing.
A lot of people in the government aren't elected. There's
a lot there are people who are appointed. They're people
who just have jobs, right there. A lot of people
have a lot of power without being elected. The most
powerful elected official has brought in somebody who isn't doing
anything on his own. He is merely assisting and advising
(20:34):
the top of the executive branch.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Like this isn't that hard?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Why don't libs No one's saying, Elon's the president and
he's not acting as the president. But they're just crying
about it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
They don't know what to do. I think there's just
a panic. Think about what they're simultaneously arguing. Buck They
are saying that Trump is a dictator, which is the
argument they've been making since he came down the escalator
in twenty fifteen, and that he is going to destroy
democracy in America. That is argument one. Simultaneously, now they
have pivoted to Trump's not actually the president, Elon is.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So they are both.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Arguing that Trump is a unique threat to democracy the
likes of which our country has never seen. And also
Trump is so lacking in power that an unelected official
is actually acting as president of the United States.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Which is it like they.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Can't even figure out what their doomsday scenario is and
both can't be true right now. I would point out
that the connecting tissue here for both of them is
something that doesn't make sense, which is and I saw
a bunch of people pick this up after we talked
about it last week.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Suddenly it was everywhere.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
No one has ever shrunk the size of government while
being a dictator. Right, the whole purpose of dictatorial powers
is you grab more of power, the government expands, your
military grows. Like no one is like, hey, you know
the best thing we can do decrease the amount of
government size and actually be more efficient.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nobody does. That's part to be a dictator.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
There was a moment where they were hoping to argue
that Trump was a dictator during COVID, and and then
it just it faded because he allowed a lot of decisions.
I'm talking early COVID, you know, twenty twenty COVID. He
allowed a lot of decisions to just be determined by
the states, And so the he's a dictator. It's it's
similar to what we're seeing now. He's doing the opposite
(22:30):
of dictator stuff. This is the opposite of what somebody
does when they are trying to enforce their will against
your will via state mechanism. They don't fire government employees.
You know what, here's a simple, a simple way to
go through this. Do you think in the Soviet Union's heyday,
were there are a lot of KGB and you know,
secret police officials are very few in East Germany. In
(22:53):
the Stazi were there are a lot of secret police and
informers or very few. I mean, you know, just just
to put it in, by the way, there were one
hundred there were over one hundred thousand, I believe secret
informers that they that they had.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Are you a little bit jealous? Are you a little
bit jealous? Like sometimes you look back at history and think,
that would have been a pretty cool time to live
as a guy who worked in the CIA in the
pre Cold War, Berlin Wall coming down had to be
an unbelievable time to be in spycraft.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
That was really what I mean. The CIA was really
meant for the Cold War. It was built for the
Cold War. Unfortunately, still uses some of that same mentality
and technology. You know, in the intelligence community. If you
have not seen the movie Clay, have you seen Das
Leben Derandrin the Lives of Others?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
No? I don't, I've never even heard of it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Dude, You and Laura, I am telling you. I am
telling you. I know you're gonna say, buck. It's a
German language movie with subtitles, Hey, the Lives of Others
it is.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You know you're talking to here, mister German cinema. I mean,
I remember I took Russian cinema classes. I took German cinema.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The Lives.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I thought you were talking about your German rock star doppelganger.
Dusk Travisa yah dos boot guy.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I bet he plays a mean flute as well.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
He shirtless with tattoos.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
He's played a flute up there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Whatever that guy's name is from, Like the German American
idol that looks just like you.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
My doppelganger.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
For people who are new that someone discovered that I
had a German musician rocker doppelganger.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And I spend a lot of time looking at Clay's face,
and I'll be honest with you, I was like, Wow,
Clay has like this whole he's moonlighting as a German
rock star, Like it looks so much like him that
I didn't know what was going on. I thought it
was maybe Ai, But it's real. The Lives of others, though,
I am telling you are they're just It's staff says
it's one of the all time favorite movies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It is a ten out of ten. It is a
great watch. It is about it's so good about the
surveillance state, about autocracy, and about the human desire for
freedom and love and creativity. It is and I think
you were I would really enjoy it. It does have subtitles.
But also when you're watching a movie about a police
state and they're speaking in German, I'm just gonna say
(25:08):
this adds a little authenticity. You hear the German and
you're like, oh, oh man, that sounds pretty intense. So
it's a really really good movie that you should add,
like for a movie night with you guys if you
get you know, snowed in sometime top of the list.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know what we're doing tonight Cobra Kai Season six,
final five episodes. The Whole Travis Family is locked and
loaded tonight to watch all five. So that is on
the calendar watching. You're doing the whole they're doing the
whole thing, well, the last five episodes, so it's probably
like two and a half hours, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What I mean. But you're doing five episodes, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Boom boom boom, Whole Travis Family. All three boys were
watching We Love it. By the way, Senator Ron Johnson
in Wisconsin, our buddy's supposed to join us. He texted,
he is locked and loaded. They are swearing in RFK Junior.
We will get him rescheduled. A lot of these guys
and gals that we have on the show. I said
this yesterday. They have the schedule and then everything is
(26:06):
moving so rapidly suddenly in DC that they are running
into conflict. So we will get people on. Sometimes we'll say, Hey,
this guy or this gal is going to be a guest,
and then something happens. Just FYI will get Senator Ron
Johnson on either Tomorrow for Valentine's Day Valentine's Day Eve,
by the way, for anybody out there that has not
been paying attention to the calendar and doesn't want to
(26:28):
walk into a buzz saw tomorrow when you happen to recognize, uh, oh,
it's Valentine's Day. Buck, You're going to find this out
as soon as you have a kid, which is going
to be in a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You haven't even thought about this yet.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You're not just responsible for Mother's Day for your own mom.
All of a sudden, you now are double Mother's Day
and this kid is not going to be responsible for
his own Mother's Day till like twelve or thirteen, and
it is go time. And I didn't know what I
was walking into with this. I didn't just didn't think
about it. You've got your own mom and now you've
(27:03):
got your wife, and the kids are too young, they're
not they're not responsible for themselves. Yet you have to
now cover Mother's Day. And Mother's Day is a lot
more important than Father's Day. I'm just like, it's like
twenty War Day to Father's Day. Given yourself professed lack
of culinary skill and total who makes like the scrambled eggs,
(27:27):
toast and uh and bacon on Mother's Day?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
For for Laura in the household.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well, that has never happened, so you know, she's not
a very fortunate woman in that respect. Uh, dinner is
often purchased, and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, dinner is very often purchased.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Occasionally you might get out to Dunkin Donuts for some
donuts and uh yeah, the the morning breakfast is not
a staple of of my repertoire. There's a lot of
things that are not staples of my repertoire. Cooking the
morning certainly not one of them. If you can't make
it with a toaster or a microwave, it is beyond
(28:06):
my culinary skill.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Good to know or it does.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I can also handle things that don't need either of those,
So like meet on, like a sandwich, I can make
a killer sandwich.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And now I would just point out that for all
of you, we've given you a Friday night movie watch
if you would like, so that's very exciting. You can
always also go to Clayanbuck dot com and listen to
any of the podcasts of the Clay and Buck Show
that we put up there over the weekend. We have
all kinds of exciting stuff going on. I wanted to
just take a moment here, Clay. You know, Tulsi Gabbard
(28:43):
has gotten through RFK, has gotten through this cut sixteen.
Here is Tulsi telling everybody just how pleased and grateful
she is to be in a position to help at
the as DN I play it.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
The American people have very little trust in the intelligence community,
largely because they've seen the weaponization and politicization of an
entity that is supposed to be purely focused on ensuring
our national security. So I look forward to being able
to help fulfill that mandate that the American people delivered
to you very clearly in this election, to refocus our
(29:19):
intelligence community by empowering the great patriots who have chosen
to serve our country in this way and focus on
ensuring the safety, security, and freedom of the American people.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So I'm going to put this out there, Clay, because
we know Tulsi. We're very happy for I think she's
a patriot and going to do a great job in
this role. Even when she just to be clear, even
when she was a Democrat, it was clear that she
loved her country and didn't hate Republicans, which was really
That was when I was like, I don't know how
long she's gonna last in this Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I remember what she was running. I was like, Ah,
she's a little too patriotic. He likes Republicans a little
too much.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
You know, you got to sort of hate America and
Republicans to be a really, you know, really top tier Democrat.
But I would put this out there, Clay for her.
In particular, I think one of the things that she
could do as D and I, she should do all
she can the D and I Director of National Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
A co coordinator role among the community. I would offer
to you, and I spent years in this community, so
I know I know about how it actually functions in
some ways. I think that she should do this until
she's done all that she can, and then she should
say we should go back and cut. I think the
(30:32):
D and I should cease to exist as a position
and as an office. I think that the National counter
Terrorism Center NCTC should no longer like all this stuff
that was done post nine to eleven, with this enormous
infusion of cash that came in because we had failed.
So the intelligent community failed so badly and got so
much money. The intelligence community could be paired back dramatically,
(30:56):
dramatic there are here's the thing. People go, oh, abolish, No,
you can and abolish. If you you will be at
the mercy of foreign intelligence adversaries. If you do not,
you know, this would be like saying it's like almost
abolished police or abolish the military.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You do need an intelligence capacity, both counterintelligence and offensive
intelligence gathering operations, So you need that. You know, the
NSA is vast for example, I mean, you need this capability,
but there's so much bloat, and I would argue that
the and I job itself has become a symptom of
(31:32):
that bloat. And NCTC there's like seventeen intell agencies now
Clay seventeen. Yeah, and they all have again fire half
the people everywhere. Tomorrow's Valentine's Day, Buck, I said, tonight,
I'm going to be sitting around watching Cobra Kai that's
the Netflix series that follows Karate Kid. We're going to
(31:53):
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you have this. I have been beating my boys.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Look, I got three boys, and if you have three,
two of them are teenagers.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
The amount of.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Food that they can consume is I mean, they're like
a horde of beast when they come running through the kitchen.
I mean they are growing fast. If you have teenage boys,
you know what I'm talking about, just voluminous amounts of food.
They love these good Rancher steaks. And also, Buck, you
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Or better, depends on where you are and how good
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And it's just it's delicious. I mean, I think I
can make a better steak now here, and Carrie agrees
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I'll throw this out there though. Those chicken nuggets play.
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(33:21):
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It's been one of my things, one of my weaknesses.
Like these are the actual best chicken nuggets I've ever had,
no question.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It is fabulous. Buck did say that he was like.
He actually turned to me and he was like, how
old is Buck? He could be any age between twenty
seven and fifty four.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Which was did I tell you that? The zeo asked
me that. I mean a couple million of our friends
found out. Yeah, well, we were.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Sitting at dinner. He was like, I have no idea
how old he is. He could be twenty seven, he
could be fifty four. I have no earthly idea. And
when you told him you love chicken nuggets, he was like,
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All right,
Copra Kai time Buck. I cannot wait. I am ecstatic.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Uh, it's amazing to me how much time kids get
off from school. Now, did you ever get a midwinter break?
It's mid winter break season, so my kids don't have
school on Friday or Monday. This is like, obviously Monday
we'll be here, but Monday is President's Day. And it
feels like we just keep stacking more and more holidays
(35:12):
so my kids get home. That's one reason we're watching
on Thursday. It also drops today in advance of Valentine's Day.
But it's kind of amazing how many new holidays I
feel like end up on the school calendar that I
don't remember getting. We certainly didn't get a fall break
back in the day, we got spring break.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Now everything just keeps getting added on.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Can you also tell me that just you're gonna make
me feel like this is all gonna be okay?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
People are starting to ask me like, hey, like, have
you tried out the G seven hundred stroller? I don't,
And I'm like, I have no earthly idea what any
of you were talking about. But I guess once I
am a parent, I will learn these things right because
the other parents in my life they speak this other
language of kids stuff. I have no idea what they're
(35:59):
talking about.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I'm gonna just tell you this, get help right now,
and go ahead and get the car seat in. I'm
every dad out there that has ever been tasked with
trying to get a car seat in a car. It's
virtually impossible. Some cars may be a little bit easier
to hook into than others for first dads, especially in
(36:22):
Miami buck where it's gonna be like one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Eighty eighty degrease.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
You're gonna be laid out in the back of your
car trying to get this thing fastened, and you are
going to be ready to commit homicide. That it's the
number one advice for you. Just expected the car seat
process to be awful. Every dad knows what I'm talking about.
I got blindsided, no idea what I was walking into.
We'll be back tomorrow. Valentine's Day, eve
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